August 23, 2011

The Myth of the Myth of the Texas Miracle
— Ace

Good piece at NRO, rubbishing liberals' claims about Texas' unemployment situation and poverty rate.

You probably know that while Obama benefits, statistically, from discouraged workers -- workers who have simply left the work force entirely, due to the futility of finding work, and hence are not included in the unempoloyment rate -- Texas' unemployment rate is distorted by the large number of encouraged workers entering the state to find work.

But here's something worth mentioning about the claims about Texas' supposedly-high poverty rate:

Plumer: “The state boasts the highest percentage of minimum-wage workers in the country . . . .”

Meyerson: “It has the fourth-highest poverty rate of any state. . . .”

Unfortunately, neither of these writers really understands what these numbers mean. The biggest problem with both claims is that Texas has the second largest percentage of under-18-year-olds in the country. Children between ages 0 and 17 donÂ’t make much income, if any, but they nonetheless are factored into per capita income calculations. In order usefully to compare what people are making across the states, a better approach is to compare GDP per adult. In 2008 Texas ranked 14th, which is not too shabby. Even more important, from the day Perry became governor in 2000, until 2010, Texas ranked 10th in terms of real GDP growth per adult. By contrast, California ranked 24th.

Krugman and his cronies may not realize it, but TexasÂ’s very young population also dramatically raises the rate of people in the population earning the minimum wage. Given that single women with kids make up such a large portion of those in poverty, it isnÂ’t surprising that the high birth rate also drives up the poverty rate.

On the other hand, Daniel Foster looks at claims that Perry is practicing "crony capitalism" and, alas, cannot entirely rebut them.

I'm bothered by his point five:

5. Perry is not (yet) Rod Blagojevich. Conspicuously missing from the Perry stories is any suggestion that Perry himself has done anything unlawful. “If this were a real charge,” as Sullivan puts it, “Mr. Democratic Strategist Who Hates Rick Perry would take his case to the FBI and not the Washington Post.”

Well that's not very encouraging.

I don't see anything there, though. Texas, like any state government, awards licenses and contracts; yes, many of these go to rich businessmen who donate to Rick Perry, but... I imagine the list of rich Texas businessmen who don't donate to Rick Perry is rather short.

This looks sinister if you proceed from the assumption that every contract or license must be a quid pro quo. But these are routine grants. And political donations are themselves routine.


Posted by: Ace at 09:09 AM | Comments (247)
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1 OT, but new normal for SCFoaMF is back at 38% in Gallup.

Posted by: observer at August 23, 2011 09:11 AM (hVoZP)

2 Claims of "crony capitalism"?

Glass houses.  Thrown stones.  Assembly not recommended.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 23, 2011 09:11 AM (Jdtsu)

3 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (pV6cO)

4 OMG. Perry got a sweetheart property deal from a guy now in prison! We need to run this every day. Wait....never mind

Posted by: JEF at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (6rX0K)

5 1st for 2nd time.  Gotta buy a Lotto ticket.

Posted by: observer at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (hVoZP)

6 Everything's bigger in Texas.

Posted by: EC at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (GQ8sn)

7 They must be scared shitless of Perry.

Posted by: kansas at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (mka2b)

8 Rick Perry - bitches.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 23, 2011 09:12 AM (0M3AQ)

9 “Mr. Democratic Strategist Who Hates Rick Perry would take his case to the FBI and not the Washington Post.” Well that's not very encouraging. Sure it is because if there was anything there, they'd be all over him like flies on shit

Posted by: nevergiveup at August 23, 2011 09:13 AM (i6RpT)

10 Everybody practices "crony capitalism" ace.Since the beginning of the Republic.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:14 AM (pV6cO)

11

OMG x2!

Perry's wife got a wonderfuljob, and then a massive pay raise from a hospital that wanted favorable legislation, but once she moved, the job dissappeared! We need to run this every day!. ......Wait....never mind

Posted by: JEF at August 23, 2011 09:14 AM (6rX0K)

12 If Perry has problems,better they be dealt with early on anyway.If they linger,or come in late,they are trouble.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:15 AM (pV6cO)

13 Does Rick Perry have to choke a bitch?!?!

Posted by: EC at August 23, 2011 09:16 AM (GQ8sn)

14 9

The United State's High Unemployment rate is caused by forces outside the President's control.

However, anything bad in Texas is Rick Perry's fault!

 

Yep, those Japanese tsunamis are always directed at Texas conservatives.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 23, 2011 09:16 AM (0M3AQ)

15 If crony capitalism and Gardasil are two of his biggest concerns then I'd say he's in pretty good shape all things considered.

That's why he's my man.

Posted by: lu at August 23, 2011 09:16 AM (pLTLS)

16 Hey, I just noticed that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure!

Posted by: That guy who's always last to notice things at August 23, 2011 09:16 AM (KulgD)

17

Everybody practices "crony capitalism" ace.Since the beginning of the Republic.

Yup.  I've often said the only reason to be on the sewer authority is to get your idiot brother in law a job. 

 

Posted by: alexthechick at August 23, 2011 09:16 AM (VtjlW)

18 Is it just me or does ace look a little bit like an Ewok?

Posted by: That guy who's always last to notice things at August 23, 2011 09:17 AM (KulgD)

19 These potential problems will be dealt with early and then every day until the election if Perry is nominated. Our media will rediscover what the verb vetting means.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 09:18 AM (ZgvjV)

20 They tried tarring Gov. Herbert (UT) with this sort of thing over road contracts.  It went nowhere. 

I think more of us have seen this thing done to our local politicians often enough to not really get too concerned unless it rise to the level of formal investigations and charges. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:18 AM (5H6zj)

21

The measurement of "Poverty" in the United States is a joke anyways. 

When someone who is officially below the poverty line has multiple tvs, a car, a house, etc, then the poverty line is meaningless.

It is an insult to those who actually do live in abject poverty around the world.

Posted by: dan-O at August 23, 2011 09:18 AM (BAjNF)

22
"Here's what I suggest, if you hear something's happening but it hasn't happened, don't always believe what you hear."

--President 10-day Vacation


Posted by: Soothsayer at August 23, 2011 09:18 AM (sqkOB)

23

The United State's High Unemployment rate is caused by forces outside the President's control.

However, anything bad in Texas is Rick Perry's fault!

 Yep, those Japanese tsunamis are always directed at Texas conservatives.

Posted by: Sub-Tard

 

Paging: the guy that said that Perry inherited the Texas economic miracle and/or the governors office is too weak and has nothing to do with it.We have an asshole collision that you should be in the middle.Of.

Posted by: JEF at August 23, 2011 09:19 AM (6rX0K)

24 On "Cronyism:"  The reason this is so hard to shrug off is that it's so nebulously defined (at least, for conservatives).  Does any Democrat get accused of "cronyism" (short of Roddy B, and then only when a Federal Investigation was opened)?  No.

Rick Perry receives large donations from large companies.  His economic policies include incentives to large companies (also mid-sized companies, but they get much less press for some reason) to come to Texas.  Therefore, in the minds of liberals, Rick Perry must be a crony capitalist.

Except: He's never been charged with an ethics violation.
Except: His books are all above-board, and they've been combed through by Bill White (who has deep connections to the Clintons, so we can be sure that was a very fine-toothed comb).
Except: He is conscientiously and conspicuously fastidious when it comes to "awarding" things to companies that have donated to him.  People mention Merck with the HPV vaccine, but no one else makes one.  The deal for the "foreign company" he'd brokered for TTC was objectively the best one offered- it just also happened to come from a foreign company.

Before you get all weak-in-the-knees, Ace, look for actual evidence of wrong-doing.  Let me assure you, if there were any, someone would make a Federal case out of it as fast as they possibly could.

And Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:20 AM (8y9MW)

25 Meanwhile Pres. Shanksalot's daily approval per Gallup...? 38%

Posted by: lu at August 23, 2011 09:20 AM (pLTLS)

26 Don't forget TX's southern border.  It is a regular supplier of young labor.

Posted by: dogfish at August 23, 2011 09:20 AM (NuPNl)

27 Hey ace,get us an updated pic of Tea Party hottie!She of the tricorn hat.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:20 AM (pV6cO)

28
Hey, I know about a myth!

Jobs Created And/Or Saved By The Stimulus Act

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 23, 2011 09:20 AM (sqkOB)

29 You try supporting a bevy of prostitutes and coke dealers without practicing crony capitalism. I'm creating jobs, people.

Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (1fB+3)

30 Just like the tea party "research" , the myth part is just to create talking points for liberals.  It has nothing to do with truth, it is about retaining power.

Nevertheless, attacking Perry on minimum wage jobs is ridiculous for another reason, many people would love one in the obama wreckovery.

Finally, if every politician practices crony capitalism, it doesn't make it right.  The only way to solve most of it is with a flat tax, but I dream.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (4nfy2)

31 Is it talk like a pirate day?We need a pirate themed SCoaMF if it is.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (pV6cO)

Posted by: The NOLA we knew wasn't that great but we didn't know it. at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (PcoXF)

33
Here's another myth:

Almost 50 million people are not on food stamps.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (sqkOB)

34 It is a shame that Texas isn't run in the same ethical fashion as Cook County..... Oh who the fuck am  I kidding here?

Posted by: Richard Daley at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (6rX0K)

35

Well that's not very encouraging.

wut??

whad I miss?

Posted by: eleven at August 23, 2011 09:21 AM (7DB+a)

36 Hotair has a write up on Perry making a major move in the polls. Supposedly PPP will show Perry with a double digit lead over Romney tomorrow when it is publicly released.

This explains a lot regarding the increasing attacks on Perry.

It's fear. JEF realizes that Perry has a actual record to run on, it pro business, and is fiscally and socially conservative enough to motivate the base for him. His record will appeal to the squishes who don't want 4 more years of failure and disaster in the Oval Office

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 23, 2011 09:22 AM (0oBoz)

37
and yet another myth:

The Recession Is Over And We Are Now In Recovery

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 23, 2011 09:22 AM (sqkOB)

38 Everybody know's Perry is the frontrunner.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:24 AM (pV6cO)

39 Hold my drink bitch!

Posted by: Rick Perry at August 23, 2011 09:24 AM (GQ8sn)

40 And yes......as a matter of fact, I think Rick Perry is going to have to choke a bitch.

Posted by: eleven at August 23, 2011 09:24 AM (7DB+a)

41 ZOMG! All Rick Perry created in Texas is a bunch of Mcjobs!

Posted by: 9.2% unemployment at August 23, 2011 09:25 AM (KulgD)

42
This here is the book I was trying to find about the poverty rate: "The Poverty of the 'Poverty Rate'".

Basically talks about how the official poverty rate number used by the government is complete nonsense but will not be fixed for political reasons.

Posted by: dan-O at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (BAjNF)

43 workers -- workers who have simply left the work force entirely, due to the futility of finding work, and hence are You probably know that while Obama benefits, statistically, from discouragednot included in the unempoloyment rate -- Texas' unemployment rate is distorted by the large number of encouraged workers entering the state to find work.

This is a problem with unemployment statistics in general.

During the boom Bush years, the 4.5% unemployment rate was actually lower, as the economy pulled in marginal workers that in an only average year would not be working or working full time.

Of course in the Obamconomy we see people who are highly qualified for positions unable to find them thanks to his job killing policies.

It is amazing that in a few short years qualified candidates have gone from businesses chasing them to having to hunt to find a job they are over qualified for...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (7BU4a)

44 We need to ditch Perry. 9 out of 10 somnologists prefer Jon Huntsman.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (nRTou)

45 Posted by: eleven at August 23, 2011 01:21 PM (7DB+a)

Nothing.

Though Ace is making great progress, his ever-atrophying Northeastern Progressive genes occasionally demand to be let out.  In recent months they've gone from making him seem totally bi-polar to mere occasions of vacillation.  It's progress.

Pay it no mind.  He should be over the worst of the withdrawal symptoms in a year or so, would be my guess.

(Kidding, Ace)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (8y9MW)

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelious at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (EL+OC)

47 Frankly, I'm incredibly impressed that Rick Perry overcame the Japanese tsunami and the debt crisis in Europe on the way to powering Texas's recovery.

Posted by: Warden at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (KulgD)

48 Is it wrong that mentioning Pimp Hand, Bitch Slap and Rick Perry in the same sentence sends a tingle up my leg?

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 09:26 AM (ZgvjV)

49

Ross Douthat of the NY Times made a similar Perry defense (via Pittsburgh Post-Gazette):

http://tinyurl.com/4xutqhp

 

Posted by: CJ at August 23, 2011 09:27 AM (9KqcB)

50 Nancy Pelosi practices crone capitalism.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 23, 2011 09:28 AM (dZ756)

51 So poor people who donate to Obama and benefit from higher welfare rates are de facto evidence of corruption?

Posted by: JohnJ at August 23, 2011 09:28 AM (Tt6ky)

52 ZOMG! I just read a study by some scientists who found that people from Texas are less caring than people from blue states!

Put a fork in Perry! He's done!

Posted by: NY Times reading "intellectual" at August 23, 2011 09:28 AM (KulgD)

53 Not only have I choked a bitch, I've re-choked a bitch.

Just to be sure.

Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry at August 23, 2011 09:29 AM (1fB+3)

54 Ace needs a chill pill.

Posted by: 9 out of 10 psychiatrists at August 23, 2011 09:29 AM (7DB+a)

55 And, though I posted it in an earlier thread: http://lat.ms/nHE30L

If this is the best they can do, I think Rick Perry is going to be our Man come 2013.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:30 AM (8y9MW)

56 51 Wow,Ross Asshat defended him?That dude is another squish.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:30 AM (pV6cO)

57 Choke a bitch,shoot a coyote.

Posted by: Guv Perry at August 23, 2011 09:31 AM (pV6cO)

58 Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 01:30 PM (pV6cO)

Ross Douthat = Broken Clock.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:31 AM (8y9MW)

59 Jon Huntsman sorts his turds by length before he flushes. He's a very details oriented man. The Chinese have a word for this "Ry-kno" which means fastidious little turd monkey.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 09:32 AM (ZgvjV)

60 52 HA! Well struck.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:32 AM (pV6cO)

61 In a way, this is really sad.  The left had such high hopes for a man whose only real distinction in life was a speech at a dem convention where he exhibited his one and only true talent - showing a beyond virtuoso level of expertise for reading a speech written by someone else replete with breathtakingly hollow catchphrases - on a teleprompter.  Now, more than halfway through his term, those same sad individuals have only that singular accomplishment shown in that one speech to hold out as the fruit of their chosen deity.  Every other single thing he has tried has been a stuttering miserable clusterfuck of a failure.  That has to be one, gigantic, bitter pill to swallow for all their squandered hopes.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 09:32 AM (jx2j9)

62

The media / Democrats are barking up the wrong tree.  There's no real audience for this nonsense about Texas' economy. 

If you're a rational and informed adult you'll be voting against Obama next year.  Doesn't matter what's happening or not happening in Texas. On the other hand, if you're dumb enough to be duped into thinking Texas doesn't have an excellent local economy, relative to the country at large, you're already "priced in" as an automatic vote for Obama, or you're too stupid to vote in the first instance. 

Those in the middle neither are naive nor feckless enough to be worried about what's going on in Texas; they're worried about putting food on their own tables and paying for their own kids' educations.

This smacks to me of early desperation on the part of the media / Democrats.  The only plausible conclusion is that the internal polling is looking very grim for their man. 

Ergo look for the vicious personal attacks on Romney and especially on Perry to begin in earnest over the next several weeks.  I don't think the media / Democrats can wait until next fall.  It's going to get extremely ugly, quite soon.   

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 23, 2011 09:32 AM (f8XyF)

63 "I'll take "Interesting Combos" for $400, Alex."

"Answer:  the back of Rick Perry's hand and a bitch..."

"Ummmmm...what are two things that go together?"

"CORRECT!!!"

Posted by: EC at August 23, 2011 09:32 AM (GQ8sn)

64

Rick Perry and Chuck Norris are Friends.

The so called Most Interesting Man in the world shuts up when Rick Perry speaks.

Ted Nugent played at Rick Perry's inaugural ball and refers to him as "My Pal".

 

I think I'll have a shot of Bourbon now.

Posted by: USMC 8541 at August 23, 2011 09:33 AM (v3pYe)

65 61 I made a turd that looked like Charlie Crist!I ate lots of punkin pie.

Posted by: Veep Joe Biden at August 23, 2011 09:33 AM (pV6cO)

66 Wow,Ross Asshat defended him?That dude is another squish.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 01:30 PM (pV6cO)

Which is why I was a littled surprised to see it.

Posted by: CJ at August 23, 2011 09:34 AM (9KqcB)

67

#61

You owe me a new keyboard

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 23, 2011 09:34 AM (0OJd9)

68 I would serve on a Perry ticket.

Posted by: Jon Huntsman at August 23, 2011 09:34 AM (mka2b)

69 63 BRAVO!

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:35 AM (pV6cO)

70 In a way, this is really sad.  The left had such high hopes for a man whose only real distinction in life was a speech at a dem convention where he exhibited his one and only true talent - showing a beyond virtuoso level of expertise for reading a speech written by someone else replete with breathtakingly hollow catchphrases - on a teleprompter.  Now, more than halfway through his term, those same sad individuals have only that singular accomplishment shown in that one speech to hold out as the fruit of their chosen deity.  Every other single thing he has tried has been a stuttering miserable clusterfuck of a failure.  That has to be one, gigantic, bitter pill to swallow for all their squandered hopes.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 01:32 PM

All this is true.  But, is it a red pill or a blue pill?

Posted by: huerfano at August 23, 2011 09:35 AM (kD+se)

71 @16.. yeah, because forcing girls to take something that could potentially kill them (and has), is SOOOO something that we should stand behind as a lesser evil. Seriously? Sorry, this is something I can't ignore. I know people won't be perfect and I'm not asking for perfect. I just want some fucking honor and self sacrifice as a public servant.

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 09:35 AM (yBuLL)

72 That Texas Miracle is going to pale in comparison to the American Miracle once President Barack Obama unleashes his bold, master plan to turbo-charge the American economy in an economically friendly manner while simultaneously paying down debt and balancing the budget.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 23, 2011 09:36 AM (GKQDR)

73 It is well known that Chuck Norris wins all of his staring contests by TKO.
Slightly less well known is that Chuck Norris has lost exactly one staring contest.  In split decision.  To Rick Perry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:36 AM (8y9MW)

74 68 Probably setting him up for the inevitable"I'm disappointed in Governor Perry",column.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:36 AM (pV6cO)

75

However, anything bad in Texas is Rick Perry's fault!

Posted by: MBM at August 23, 2011 01:13 PM (OWjjx)

Don't forget that anything good that happens in Texas is not because of Perry's policies...

Posted by: Hedgehog at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (Rn2kl)

76 Has someone mentioned lately that Obama is a SCFOAMF !

Posted by: Rick Perry's Momma at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (V92KK)

77 73 @16.. yeah, because forcing girls to take something that could potentially kill them (and has), is SOOOO something that we should stand behind as a lesser evil. Seriously? Sorry, this is something I can't ignore.

Well, the people of Texas could ignore it.  Or rather, they slapped some sense into Perry (through their legislature) and he backed off and signed the bill overturning his EO into law.  Then Texans re-elected him. 

Single issue voting when we're going up against a guy as truly unAmerican as Obama is self-defeating. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (5H6zj)

78 73 A peanut could potentially kill someone.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (pV6cO)

79 All this is true.  But, is it a red pill or a blue pill?

Posted by: huerfano at August 23, 2011 01:35 PM (kD+se)

It's a placibo.  A hollowed out, shit flavored skittle.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (jx2j9)

80 Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 01:35 PM (yBuLL)

oooohhh concern!

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 23, 2011 09:37 AM (UrPTC)

81 Sorry, this is something I can't ignore. I know people won't be perfect and I'm not asking for perfect. I just want some fucking honor and self sacrifice as a public servant.

Posted by: UGrev

 

You're ignoring the fact that he admitted that he was wrong. And he reversed himself. That alone puts him lightyears beyond either Obama or Romney.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (326rv)

82

>>>>Ross Douthat of the NY Times made a similar Perry defense (via Pittsburgh Post-Gazette):

Interesting. I've never read anything by Douthat. I just know he's one of the NYT(or is it WAPOs) house "conservatives".

I'm surprised he would even bother to defend someone like Perry.

I would assume he's on the Huntsman train just like every other "conservative" columnist, and liberal columnist for that matter.

I've noticed the DNC is even using Huntsman's words in attack ads against the other GOP candidate.

 

Way to read the fucking tea leaves team Huntsman. The general public and especially the Republican base is further to the "right" that it's even been in recent memory and you've decided to tack to the center left. Good decision.

 

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (wuv1c)

83 77 It can never be mentioned too often.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (pV6cO)

84 @83
Perfect hash though.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (5H6zj)

85 I predict that Hurricane Irene will be blamed on Rick Perry.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (iYbLN)

86 I just want some fucking honor and self sacrifice as a public servant.

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 01:35 PM (yBuLL)

Move to California.  They've got a surplus.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 09:38 AM (jx2j9)

87 Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 01:37 PM (5H6zj)

Except that it's not "single issue voting" it's 1/2 issue voting.

"Oh Rick Perry wanted to do something I disagreed with!  He even enacted an Executive Order!"
"Well, yeah, and that's not great, but when the voters said 'No.' he backed down."
"Doesn't matter!  I don't care about humility and political sacrifice!  I want a politician with humility and political sacrifice!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:39 AM (8y9MW)

88 84 Hunstmann is Dem trojan horse.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:40 AM (pV6cO)

89

yeah, because forcing girls to take something that could potentially kill them (and has), is SOOOO something that we should stand behind as a lesser evil. Seriously? Sorry, this is something I can't ignore.

Look. I agree it's a dumb thing he did. He was wrong, he's apoligized, it was repealed and he's since offered a decent explanation.

 

To counter this through.. Romneycare.

Game.Set.Match

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:40 AM (wuv1c)

90 73

You really are a fucking moron.  Go back to sitting underneath the bridge troll.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (iYbLN)

91 All this is true.  But, is it a red pill or a blue pill?

Posted by: huerfano at August 23, 2011 01:35 PM (kD+se)


Carter's Little Quiver Pill

Posted by: Chrissy Matthewn, Esq. at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (PcoXF)

92 @73 Nice hash tag - very fitting.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (ZgvjV)

93 Perry's Hair/Sarah's Tits 2012

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (pV6cO)

94 Hunstmann is Dem trojan horse.

If so, the Trojans should be ashamed.

He's polling so poorly with Republicans that, were he to go 3rd Party, he'd probably pull more support from Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, than he would from the Republican nominee.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (8y9MW)

95 Crony Capitalism.  Is that anything like giving someone a raise to $300,000/yr after her Senator husband helped get you some federal money?

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (GULKT)

96 63

I've never understood the "Obama is a great orator" line.  He reminds me of an oily used car salesman (apologies to oily used car salesmen).  I'd rather listen to someone drag their fingernails across a chalkboard.

Posted by: not neo just conservative at August 23, 2011 09:41 AM (01RS2)

97

>>>> know people won't be perfect and I'm not asking for perfect. I just want some fucking honor and self sacrifice as a public servant.

That's like saying you want a virgin in a whore house.

Good luck.

You take the best you can get.

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:42 AM (wuv1c)

98

Unfortunately, neither of these writers really understands what these numbers mean. The biggest problem with both claims is that Texas has the second largest percentage of under-18-year-olds in the country. Children between ages 0 and 17 donÂ’t make much income, if any, but they nonetheless are factored into per capita income calculations.

You are being too kind to the writers.  Purposely distorting statistics to make an invalid point used to be called lying - in my household, it still is.

Posted by: The Naked Emperor at August 23, 2011 09:43 AM (0N5pL)

99 96 Noone said he was a smart choice.That's a party that picked Dookaki and John Fuckin Kerry as their nominees and expected to win.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:43 AM (pV6cO)

100

What I want to know is why isn't every criticism directed at Perry answered with a direct comparison of his record to teh SCOAMF's record?

Minimum wage jobs are high in Texas?  Ok, let's compare the national rate of minimum wage jobs to the rate in Texas.

Crony capitalism?  Let's take a look at Obama and see how he stacks up with Perry.

Obama can't claim to have succeeded with anything, except making things worse.  Don't let the Left attack and deflect and make the issues about Perry.  The issue is all about Obama.

Posted by: Marmo at August 23, 2011 09:43 AM (InrkQ)

101 Gallup has "Our Savior" UNEXPECTEDLY  at 38%.  If only Bush and the Republicans in the House would stop screwing-up, than Our Dear Leader's numbers would be a 115% appove and -47% disapprove. God-Damn Boehnor should return from Fucking-Off and get to work to help "Our Hero'..... MoFo Boner !!!!!

Posted by: Squiggy Jones at August 23, 2011 09:44 AM (48wze)

102 98 Agreed.He makes lefties and young numbskulls cream their drawers though.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:44 AM (pV6cO)

103 Perry's Hair/Sarah's Tits 2012

Posted by: steevy

 

And we wonder why the cool sociologists hate us.

BTW, I second this.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 23, 2011 09:45 AM (326rv)

104 74 That Texas Miracle is going to pale in comparison to the American Miracle once President Barack Obama unleashes his bold, master plan to turbo-charge the American economy in an economically friendly manner while simultaneously paying down debt and balancing the budget.


Speaking of the economy, tomorrow is an important day for Obama.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 23, 2011 09:45 AM (o2lIv)

105

Hunstmann is Dem trojan horse.

No he isn't. He is representative of a decent chunk of the Republican party. People who want big government but simply want to rule it from the right rather than the left. Think of the Tories in England. There isn't really a lick of difference between them and Labor except that they want to spend money they don't have on different favored programs.

Perfect example, Arlen Specter. He won PA by much much larger margins than Toomey did. There are a lot of Huntsman Republicans. Think Michael Smerconish types.

 

Someone pointed out here the other day that the phrase RINO is misused and that it should be CINO.  The Republican party has always had a big government wing to it. We just need to beat it into submission.

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:45 AM (wuv1c)

106 I think UGrev ought to go out and rent an idiot.  The heavy thinking is too much for him.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:45 AM (iYbLN)

107 We've been thoroughly vetting Barack Obama for years now. What a relief to take a look at Perry...

Posted by: The MFM at August 23, 2011 09:47 AM (FcR7P)

108 107 Yeah,I know but I think Hunty is beyond even the CINO wing.A full on quisling.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:47 AM (pV6cO)

109 There are a lot of Huntsman Republicans

Who did you think keeps us in business?

Posted by: Spray Tan Association of America at August 23, 2011 09:47 AM (tqwMN)

110 Texas' unemployment rate is now at a 20+ year high of 8.4%.

Posted by: Jim at August 23, 2011 09:48 AM (YwDKF)

111 He is representative of a decent chunk of the Republican party.

He polls at something like 3%.  That's not a "decent chunk" of anything.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:48 AM (8y9MW)

112 107

Hunstmann is Dem trojan horse.

--

No he isn't. He is representative of a decent chunk of the Republican party. People who want big government but simply want to rule it from the right rather than the left.
--

That with the "give it to me because it's my birthright" cherry on the top. 

He's a nasty piece of work. I'm not sure I could vote for him in the general, frankly. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:48 AM (5H6zj)

113 We are shocked at these allegations of political contributions!

Posted by: SEIU, AFL-CIO at August 23, 2011 09:49 AM (FcR7P)

114

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 23, 2011 01:45 PM (o2lIv)

Thanks. I'll have to look for that tomorrow and the next day. I have a vague feeling the MFM won't be mentioning it.

Something bad will happen to a blond girl somewhere which will be more important.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 23, 2011 09:49 AM (GKQDR)

115 112 A miserable failure is dragging the country down.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:49 AM (pV6cO)

116 That with the "give it to me because it's my birthright" cherry on the top.

Right, he's a Kennedy with better genetics.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 23, 2011 09:49 AM (tqwMN)

117 116, Hey, Fuck You, Now help me get out of my car, it's locked

Posted by: Blonde Girl. at August 23, 2011 09:50 AM (ZDUD4)

118 I'm holding out for a management position...

Posted by: Cousin Eddie at August 23, 2011 09:50 AM (n1JN0)

119 @112- So, what you're saying is that, despite impressive job growth, we've had so much more population growth that our unemployment rate has grown.

Tell me, again, why that's a bad thing?

Especially in comparison to the "Food Stamps and Unemployment Checks are good for the economy" administration.

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
You're not even that good.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:50 AM (8y9MW)

120 @112
Crack open your fourth grade math book and remind yourself what a denominator is.  Then get back to us. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:50 AM (5H6zj)

121

OT, it's juat something I was thinking about for you artistic morons

I rarely have an idea for an editorial cartoon, which is just as well, since I can't draw.  But you might be able to whip this one up:

The scene: "Martha's Vineyard Auto"

Two buses, up on blocks.

Bus #1 labelled "US Economy"

Bus #2 labelled "Obama 2012"

Obama on his back under the "Obama 2012" bus

The caption:  "Recovery Summer"

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:50 AM (K2wpv)

122

Perfect example, Arlen Specter. He won PA by much much larger margins than Toomey did. There are a lot of Huntsman Republicans. Think Michael Smerconish types.Posted by: Ben

Terrible, embarrassingly bad example. What did Specter do after he lost the primary?

Turned Democrat.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2011 09:51 AM (DEcmU)

123 I follow politics fairly closely and didn't know Hunty from Adam before the MFM started talking him up.That's why I suspect him.He seems worse than the average country club R to me.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:52 AM (pV6cO)

124

>>>That with the "give it to me because it's my birthright" cherry on the top. 

It's a shame. I have a lot of respect for his fathers accomplishments.

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:52 AM (wuv1c)

125 I think Obama may even be transcending stuttering-clusterfuck-of-a-miserable-failure-ness and achieving stuttering-clusterfuck-of-a-clueless-miserable-failure-hood.

Posted by: Marmo at August 23, 2011 09:52 AM (InrkQ)

126 @83.. you're right, I AM ignoring it because it shouldn't have been even considered to begin with. To me, a person like that will just find a more sneaky way to not get noticed. He fucked up... big.. and now has A LOT to prove for me to trust him. So I am being VERY critical, perhaps over critical, on purpose. Shouldn't we all be with the way the political scene has been moving? If he came out and said, "I will repeal the Patriot Act and make it illegal to impose anything similar".. I would consider that a +.. then to actually do it if he were elected, well, then I would more inclined to support him. Until that day..

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 09:53 AM (yBuLL)

127 Poor Jim Jim, he's seeing his dream of President Romney going up in a Texas sized puff of smoke.  He's so upset he's been lashing out at 87 year old women.

Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2011 09:54 AM (GULKT)

128 That with the "give it to me because it's my birthright" cherry on the top. 

He's a nasty piece of work. I'm not sure I could vote for him in the general, frankly. 
Posted by: Y-not

That.  He makes my skin crawl.  You couldn't take enough showers to wash away the Huntsman stink.  The phony smile, the spray on tan, he is revolting in so many ways.  Lets count them, shall we?

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:54 AM (iYbLN)

129 anybody near lehigh valley pa just feel a tremor?

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 09:54 AM (iXOor)

130 The press may love Huntsman now, but that's because he's harmless.  They'll turn on him like a pack of wolves if his campaign gains any traction.  Not that it will.

The left loves three types of Republicans.  The harmless, the dead, and of course mavericks, providing the maverick doesn't actually win the nomination of course.

Posted by: not neo just conservative at August 23, 2011 09:54 AM (01RS2)

131 It's a shame. I have a lot of respect for his fathers accomplishments.

Yeah, although I'm even starting to hear some negative things about dad (and his ego). 

And, really, his philanthropy in health care was entirely self-serving.  He's had cancer four times.  (His wife recounted how Huntsman Sr. decided to start the cancer center at a gala I attended recently.) 

Another prosperous (and philanthropic) Mormon, Robert Gay, seems like a much nicer man than Huntsman.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:54 AM (5H6zj)

132 mpfs, if it makes you feel better, I have a crappy smile and no tan, and I'd be happy to take showers with you.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:55 AM (K2wpv)

133 anybody near lehigh valley pa just feel a tremor?

Posted by: alexthedude

 

We just felt something VERY weird in Wilmington Delaware. The entire floor where I work noticed it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 23, 2011 09:55 AM (6rX0K)

134 UHHHH!! we just had an earthquake! in Chester County PA!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2011 09:55 AM (SB0V2)

135 O/T Guys in D.C. are telling me they think they felt an earthquake.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2011 09:55 AM (14jKX)

136

>>>Terrible, embarrassingly bad example. What did Specter do after he lost the primary?

 

I guess my point went over your head if you think that.

 

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (wuv1c)

137 It's a shame. I have a lot of respect for his fathers accomplishments.

I will say, the tan may be authentic.  Everyone in Utah has a tan, especially the men.  They stay very fit out here, but their skin really takes a beating from the altitude and weather.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (5H6zj)

138 @131 Holy Fuck! NoVa here. Broke some shit at my house. It was a 5.8 about midway between Richmond and Charlottesville.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (cbyrC)

139

Terrible, embarrassingly bad example. What did Specter do after he lost the primary?

Turned Democrat.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2011 01:51 PM (DEcmU)


he turned Dem BEFORE the primary.  He lost to Sestak in the DEM PRIMARY.

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (iXOor)

140

>>>Guys in D.C. are telling me they think they felt an earthquake.

I just felt one here in the South West PA.

It was the first one i've ever felt.

The ground shook ever so slightly for about 20 seconds

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (wuv1c)

141 mpfs, if it makes you feel better, I have a crappy smile and no tan, and I'd be happy to take showers with you. Posted by: Truman North, TPT

Hmmm....interesting.

Huntsman is like the Manchurian Candidate.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (iYbLN)

142 Uhhhh.... Did we just get an eayhquake in Maryland?

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (U6ObX)

143 Be careful, earthquake feelers.

Make sure to check your gas lines.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (5H6zj)

144 Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 01:35 PM (yBuLL) Hey, gang, MM is here! What meds and dosages have they got you on, girl, 'cause you are sooooooo mellow compared to last week!

Posted by: No Whining at August 23, 2011 09:56 AM (Ka/Vy)

145 It's that damn Tea party. Now they are causing Eartquakes.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (ZDUD4)

146 holy shit, earthquake in NJ !!

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (oW269)

147 SCOAMF is at 38/54 approve/disapprove today.  Must be that post-Libya "bounce" the media is telling me about.  

Posted by: Phil at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (UxXtK)

148 The earthquake is clearly Obama's "bad luck" again.

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (pV6cO)

149 Just heard the same from Tyson's Corner. Earthquake delaying meeting

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (ZgvjV)

150 142

That's like a tap on the shoulder kids.

Come to California and really feel the earth move...get your minds out of the gutter morons.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (iYbLN)

151 That.  He makes my skin crawl.  You couldn't take enough showers to wash away the Huntsman stink.  The phony smile, the spray on tan, he is revolting in so many ways.  Lets count them, shall we?

Posted by: mpfs, TPT

 

Don't forget the laptop.

Posted by: The IT perv made bail at August 23, 2011 09:57 AM (6rX0K)

152 Maybe the earth is fixing to swallow DC.  Knock on wood.

Posted by: not neo just conservative at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (01RS2)

153 It's that damn Tea party. Now they are causing Eartquakes.

Is that like an earthquake????? 

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (iYbLN)

154 I was in Palm Springs for a really big quake. this was NOTHING but still! second one I've felt out here in my lifetime

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (SB0V2)

155

Thanks Y-Not, good advice.

I've never felt that before. In my area we never get hit by any natural disasters.

I doubt any damage was done here. Everything just swayed a little bit.

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (wuv1c)

156 felt earthquake here in NC

Posted by: BULLROD at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (dE1rs)

157 @112- So, what you're saying is that, despite impressive job growth, we've had so much more population growth that our unemployment rate has grown.

Tell me, again, why that's a bad thing?

Especially in comparison to the "Food Stamps and Unemployment Checks are good for the economy" administration.

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
You're not even that good.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 01:50 PM (8y9MW)

 

--Point is that almost a 25 year high in Texas' unemployment rate may not play all that well on the campaign trail, even with all of the immigration to Texas.

Posted by: Jim at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (YwDKF)

158 can you believe this shit? wtf?!?

Posted by: elspeth at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (0AkWH)

159 crony capitalism > crony socialism

Posted by: cherry π at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (OhYCU)

160 148 holy shit, earthquake in NJ !!

Cue the Christie jokes.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (5H6zj)

161 ***Warthog: I'm about to take back some of my swear word ration***

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 01:53 PM (yBuLL)

You are a fucking idiot.  No.  Fucking idiots are smarter than you- they can at least figure out what their bodies are for.

You concern is very touching, I'm sure.  To the Democrats whom you represent.  Who, exactly, do you think is better, based on your criteria?

Mitt RomneyCare?
Michelle "I get pork, too" Bachman?
I know, Ron "I've made anti-Semitic Remarks" Paul.
Oh, wait, no! Sarah "I quit my job and decided to make millions" Palin.

I would expound further, I but I believe that would be too much for your brain, which bears closest resemblance to that of a retarded sponge-fungus on a week long bender.  I dare not consider your parentage or self-awareness.

Now go away and let people with human-sized brains talk.  Troll.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (8y9MW)

162 I'm in a subway (sub shop) in silver spring, md.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 23, 2011 09:58 AM (U6ObX)

163 140 @131

Holy Fuck! NoVa here. Broke some shit at my house.

It was a 5.8 about midway between Richmond and Charlottesville.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 23, 2011 01:56 PM (cbyrC)

Ok.  We need to get a pool started on how long it takes SCOAMF to incorporate this into his list of disasters that have effected the economy.


Hope nothing too important broke, FRONT.

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 09:59 AM (iXOor)

164 A: Huntsman's a RINO
Ben: No, he's not. Think of Specter
Me: Specter's a Democrat
You: Specter's a Democrat

I'm glad we agree.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2011 09:59 AM (DEcmU)

165 I was reading on a blog about an earthquake in DC or VA? Not on news yet. Any truth?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 23, 2011 09:59 AM (FnRYN)

166 Hey! Where's Perry?

Posted by: Phineas at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (v+QvA)

167 Hey, delurking, I'm in Lansdale PA, there was a small small tremor (like no one else in the starbucks I'm i felt it, but I'm from L.A., so I'm like attuned or something). My husband is in D.C. and called and said there was a big shake for about 10 seconds. His co-workers were freaking out and one ran out of the building.

Posted by: elizabethe at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (WKBQk)

168 155, Why yes, yes it is. In white house speak it would be Erfqwake.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (ZDUD4)

169 Felt it here in Lebanon, PA.  The building I"m in swayed for several seconds...I thought I was having a hunger headache or something.  Dear Lord...hope everyone's alright.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (9hSKh)

170 Earthquake yesterday in CO, today in VA.  All according to plan.

Posted by: The Mayans, baby! at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (4nfy2)

171

163 148 holy shit, earthquake in NJ !!

Cue the Christie jokes.

Nice, I actually did not see that coming...ohh the missed possibilities.

 

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (oW269)

172 Holy Fuck! NoVa here. Broke some shit at my house.

Felt it here in central CT.


Posted by: wiserbud at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (3Okgs)

173 Don't forget, the local geology affects how badly you feel an earthquake.  It's not all about the magnitude. 


I remember feeling one in Vermont.  Granite may be a good conductor or something.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (5H6zj)

174 7 Plagues?

Posted by: cherry π at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (OhYCU)

175 Sorry, not in Lebanon,but in Dauphin County, PA.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2011 10:00 AM (9hSKh)

176 159

Lay off the hash Jim.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (iYbLN)

177 HOLY SHIT!!  The glasses in my cabinets banging together, the chandelier swaying.  I've never felt that before.

Posted by: Hedgehog at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (Rn2kl)

178 175 I can't think of any!!

Posted by: steevy at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (pV6cO)

179 Relax everybody, not an earthquake, just Obama's poll numbers hitting the floor again.

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (iXOor)

180 Mother Nature is pissed.  She was aiming at Martha's Vineyard.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (jx2j9)

181 Texas' unemployment rate is now at a 20+ year high of 8.4%.

Compare with lefty Cali at 11.8
Michigan at 10.5
Nevada 12.4

And that's while Texas increased their population by 15% over the last five years.

Compare with Cali growing only 3% in the same time period.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (0q2P7)

182

Out of topic, but it was earthquake in NY and NJ.

 Just happens. It was not big one, but our office building was shaking No damage, but a litle scary

Posted by: redmonkey at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (2R6mJ)

183 Posted by: Jim at August 23, 2011 01:58 PM (YwDKF)

See also: 164.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (8y9MW)

184

 holy shit, earthquake in NJ !!

Christie is running?!?

Posted by: Anne Coulter's Adam's Apple at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (nk6+B)

185 173 Felt it here in Lebanon, PA.  The building I"m in swayed for several seconds...I thought I was having a hunger headache or something.

Be careful opening your lab fridges and freezers, Kratos (if you're in the lab). 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 10:01 AM (5H6zj)

186 177 Don't forget, the local geology affects how badly you feel an earthquake.  It's not all about the magnitude. 


Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 02:00 PM (5H6zj)

TWSS

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 10:02 AM (iXOor)

187 Went through a 5.5 in Ca in the eighties. It's a feeling you don't forget.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 23, 2011 10:02 AM (ZDUD4)

188 Just felt it in north central Jersey. It was just a slight shaking and some people could probably not notice depending on what they were doing. My tv was moving slightly

Posted by: SamIam at August 23, 2011 10:02 AM (IOff/)

189 DAMN.  Just got off the phone with my husband in South Carolina here and he said they just had a frigging earthquake at the office.  A person in the office happened to be on the phone with someone in New York and the NY guy said, I gotta go, the windows are rattling. 

WTF?!

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 23, 2011 10:02 AM (ycuSb)

190 Here:
Widespread reports of an earthquake, centered, reportedly, in Virginia - from NBC News broadcast, twitter.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 23, 2011 10:03 AM (9hSKh)

191 Felt it here in the sticks near Philly. Darn it, my to brothers are in DC/VA.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 23, 2011 10:03 AM (21lBC)

192 Was the PoliticalMath blog post (Rick Perry and Texas Job Numbers) ever mentioned? It went over this very thing, with graphs!

http://is.gd/0QhX0P

Posted by: Jay in Ames at August 23, 2011 10:03 AM (UEEex)

193

 felt earthquake here in NC

OH THANK GOD!  I thought I was having a stroke.  That was a wee bit freaky. 

Also, relevant to nothing other than awesomeness, is Geraldo going to go lash himself to a tree for the hurricane?  Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeee?  I've been good!  Ish!  As far as anyone can tell!

 

 

Posted by: alexthechick at August 23, 2011 10:03 AM (VtjlW)

194

Ok.  We need to get a pool started on how long it takes SCOAMF to incorporate this into his list of disasters that have effected the economy.

 

Posted by: alexthedude at August 23, 2011 01:59 PM (iXOor)

You just know it will be blaming on hydraulic fracturing.

Posted by: The Naked Emperor at August 23, 2011 10:03 AM (0N5pL)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (bjRNS)

196

Texas' success is real, nothing mythical about that, but it has nothing to do with Perry.  Perry is corrupt as the day is long.  He is owned by special interests.  He will do or say anything.  Just look at his record. 

His baby was the Trans-Texas corridor.  He wanted to imminent domain over a million acres of private property to build a massive toll-road that TX taypayers would fund, but then would be handed over to a Spanish contractor to build and then operate/maintain after the fact.  Every study showed the highway would do nothing but hurt our economy.  We didn't need the road, it would hurt small downs, forcing people to drive for miles to find bridges to get across this 1/4-mile wide beheamouth toll road.  It would provide high-speed transport connecting Mexico to the northern states, driving business we currently get to them.  Nobody was in favor of this highway.  Perry refused to put it to a popular vote. 

Perry has continuously vetoed legislation that would have deregulated healthcare in TX and allowed for more competition.  Right now the way our system is designed, doctors band together in regional lobbys and have absolute control over local healthcare markets.  You can think of it like a union, but encompasing an entire geographic region.  What is a patient going to do, drive to a different hospital or doctor a hundreds of miles away?  It's not a free market economy.  These doctor lobbys seek to maintain provider shortages so as to raise demand and income for themselves.  They will not allow competition.  They also push the burden of government-imposed losses onto private providers like hospitals.  State and federal government requires by law that hospitals provide certain services but then when patients don't pay they do no reimburse for these losses.  End result, hospitals raise prices on everybody else.  The healthcare system is very corrupt.  Repeated legislation has gone to his desk that would greatly serve to ease these problems by making the market more free and competitive, busting up the power of these doctor lobbys.  Perry always vetos.

Yet on the other hand Perry rammed through legislation requiring sonograms before an abortion.  A nice feel-good measure, but this actually increases healthcare costs!  Not by a lot, but nonetheless.

Perry has handed out countless billions to his contributors in the form of state contracts, many of them for jobs that weren't necessary to begin with.  He has helped big companies maintain unfair competitive edges over new smaller companies.

Perry might do a few things right.  Certainly better than Obama, but we can and should do a lot better.

Posted by: Andrew at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (HS3dy)

197 currently evacuating the Pentagon, saying 5.8 in DC.

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (oW269)

198

>>>Felt it here in Lebanon, PA. The building I"m in swayed for several seconds...I thought I was having a hunger headache or something. Dear Lord...hope everyone's alright.

HAHA. I thought the same thing. I assumed I was having some sort of mental issue, lack of water or something like that.

It was kinda enjoyable. Everything just swayed for like 20 seconds.

I doubt there was any damage in the area

Posted by: Ben at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (wuv1c)

199

wiserbud - my dad said he felt it about 30 miles east of you.

184 - alexthedude, that would be more than 5.8 magnitude.

Posted by: Have Blue at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (XPwyF)

200 USGS put it in VA.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (o2lIv)

201 197 Was the PoliticalMath blog post (Rick Perry and Texas Job Numbers) ever mentioned? It went over this very thing, with graphs!

http://is.gd/0QhX0P

Graphs are racist.
Or sexist.
Or unconstitutional.
Or something. 


(Thanks for re-posting that link, btw.)

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (5H6zj)

202 Earthquake?

Did Palin announce?

Posted by: cherry π at August 23, 2011 10:04 AM (OhYCU)

203 Ok, Meghan saying 6.0. Pity Congress not in session to see Reid run out of Capitol.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (FnRYN)

204 Oh, and for those of you who have to worry about earthquakes, here's the front page of the best tracking site.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (bjRNS)

205 Dear God,

You missed.

Sincerely,

mpfs

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (iYbLN)

206 Let's see if Obama stays on vacay.

Posted by: cherry π at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (OhYCU)

207 This perry dude is shaping up to make a great vp pick for Teh Sarah!! Just saying, don't be haters

Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (DBpy8)

208 well that's annoying.  All circuits are busy when I tried to call my dad in MD.

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 10:05 AM (5H6zj)

209 If he came out and said, "I will repeal the Patriot Act and make it illegal to impose anything similar".. I would consider that a +.. then to actually do it if he were elected, well, then I would more inclined to support him. Until that day..

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 01:53 PM (yBuLL)

Oh, the concern, it glows!

Posted by: KG at August 23, 2011 10:06 AM (LD21B)

210 Seems the USGS site crashed.  Gov't when you need it.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 23, 2011 10:06 AM (PcoXF)

211 5.8 Virginia, 6 km in depth. 

Been through worse but I hope all you morons are a-o-kay

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:06 AM (iYbLN)

212

 He wanted to imminent domain over a million acres of private property to build a massive toll-road that TX taypayers...

 

This is a brilliant point. 

 

 

 

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2011 10:06 AM (nk6+B)

213 Hmmm, felt it here in the suburbs of Philly. No problem, I wasn't getting anything done anyway.

Posted by: joncelli at August 23, 2011 10:07 AM (RD7QR)

214 Well. That was special.

Posted by: Blue Hen may need a diaper change at August 23, 2011 10:07 AM (326rv)

215 well that's annoying.  All circuits are busy when I tried to call my dad in MD.
Posted by: Y-not

If he has a cell texting usually can get through.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 23, 2011 10:07 AM (DEcmU)

216 Have been in earthquakes before in Utah. Makes you feel dizzy or like many morons feel after drinking (I thought so, at the time, but stuff fell off wall and I knew it was not just me...the walls creaking as well were a clue). It can be scary. Hope it is over for y'all.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 23, 2011 10:07 AM (FnRYN)

217 "Hope nothing too important broke, FRONT." Thanks. A couple bottles of wine and it knocked the fire extinguisher off the wall in the kitchen. Luckily none of my liquor was damaged. BTW: http://earthquake.usgs.gov They post it as a 5.9 now.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 23, 2011 10:08 AM (cbyrC)

218 All circuits are busy when I tried to call my dad in MD.

Important emergency tip: it's easier to call out than call in during an emergency. Before it happens, pick someone you're going to call out of state, and have your family call them for updates.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2011 10:08 AM (bjRNS)

219 201

Andrew do you enjoy working for Karl Rove? 

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:08 AM (iYbLN)

220 Was on a conference line holding for a meeting with DC and all of sudden it started sounding like the hold recording was slowing and speeding up randomly.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 23, 2011 10:08 AM (ZgvjV)

221 Posted by: Andrew at August 23, 2011 02:04 PM (HS3dy)

More concern!

Posted by: KG at August 23, 2011 10:09 AM (LD21B)

222 @136.. I felt it in Syracuse...

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 10:09 AM (yBuLL)

223

 He wanted to imminent domain over a million acres of private property to build a massive toll-road that TX taypayers...

 

This is a brilliant point. 

 

 Posted by: garrett


Oh garrett SNAP!  Clang, clang goes the idiot Andrew.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:09 AM (iYbLN)

224 Dear God,

You missed.

Sincerely,

mpfs

Posted by: mpfs, TPT

 

Dear Lord, I know that you could zap me at any time, and that what I just experienced was merely a warning shot, in your own oh-so subtle way. If you do happen to slip into smiting mode, remember those who sneered at your aim.

Posted by: Blue Hen may need a diaper change at August 23, 2011 10:09 AM (326rv)

225 If he has a cell texting usually can get through.

Funny you should mention that.  Yesterday (?) some folks here were discussing odd parental behaviors, such as not telling their kids about major medical problems etc. 

Anyway, my dad (who is in his late 70s) - for some reason that completely escapes me - will not give me his cell phone number.  He has a cell phone for emergencies, but I am not to know the number.  I guess he thinks I'd call it all the time and use up his minutes or something.  It's truly bizarre. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 10:10 AM (5H6zj)

226

Navycopjoe aka uber palinista

 

I just had a guy drop off a super early, Custom Shop, Michael Schenker Flying V.

 

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2011 10:10 AM (nk6+B)

227 Dear God,

You missed.

It's my understanding that was a spotting round for the real effect, which is Hurricane Irene.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 23, 2011 10:11 AM (bjRNS)

228 Blue Hen may need a diaper change


LOL

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 23, 2011 10:12 AM (iYbLN)

229 nuevo threado

Posted by: cherry π at August 23, 2011 10:14 AM (OhYCU)

230 Anyway, my dad (who is in his late 70s) - for some reason that completely escapes me - will not give me his cell phone number.  He has a cell phone for emergencies, but I am not to know the number.  I guess he thinks I'd call it all the time and use up his minutes or something.  It's truly bizarre. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 23, 2011 02:10 PM (5H6zj)

My Dad had been reluctant to have me drive the truck while he rode his Harley (to Sturgis) because if an accident happened, I would see him in bad shape. We went anyway, and it worked out all right. But yea, parents tend to want to spare their kids from seeing them in dire straits.

Posted by: KG at August 23, 2011 10:14 AM (LD21B)

231

@226,

Karl Rove?  He's about as special interest as you can find.  Perhaps you should read my post again, that's exactly what I don't want.

@230,

Did you just call me an idiot?  Perhaps you can point out a specific thing I said that is false.  Perry's record speaks for itself, for those who care to do more than simply take Perry at his word, which consistently changes with polling data.

Posted by: Andrew at August 23, 2011 10:15 AM (HS3dy)

232 234. If I wasn't sitting in the car I would fap over that!

Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at August 23, 2011 10:15 AM (DBpy8)

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 23, 2011 10:17 AM (jx2j9)

234 @Allen. I'm a libertarian. but thanks for playing. Maybe I grew up in household where lying was un-acceptable, and conniving was equally unacceptable. I didn't read the rest of your post because it was more "blah blah".. I've heard it before from republicans who are just as emotionally driven as the progressives. Sorry, I don't need that "But he said he was sorry". BULLSHIT.. he thought about himself and his fucking buddies at merck first. Cognitive dissonance.. address it.

Posted by: UGrev at August 23, 2011 10:18 AM (yBuLL)

235

 If I wasn't sitting in the car I would fap over that!

 

He wants me to sell it for him.  Looks like it is an 84-5.  With a Custom Shop logo on it.  

I have never seen one carrying the C.Shop stamp before.

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2011 10:18 AM (nk6+B)

236

lol quake virgins

Posted by: eleven at August 23, 2011 10:22 AM (7DB+a)

237 Maybe Perry could get GE to ban cheap, non-hazardous light bulbs. And Perry could send billions, if not trillions, of dollars to his buddies on Wall Street. Oops, sorry, that was Obama.

Posted by: OCBill at August 23, 2011 10:28 AM (YJvVE)

238 @ 91 Steevy, I have thought that from day one of Huntman's campaign. Wonder what the kickback is.

Posted by: small town girl at August 23, 2011 10:29 AM (iZluQ)

239 I called a guy in Virginia a few minutes after it happened. I asked him if he needed to go out and drain out some adrenaline. He said "Naw, I already shit my pants, it wouldn't do any good"

Posted by: AE at August 23, 2011 10:33 AM (YYjeh)

240 I tried to get on the Perry bandwagon but I just can't do it. I've never been impressed by him as Governor though I voted for him as he was the Republican candidate. Frankly it would have been difficult for any Republican to screw the pooch in this red state. Perry would have though if not reined in by fellow Republicans. I'm presently a man without a candidate.

Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2011 10:50 AM (6N9HR)

241 The Earth is trying to shake B+rry off.

Posted by: torabora at August 23, 2011 11:37 AM (6h5Da)

242 When you've lost UGrev you've lost, well, not much as it turns out.

Perry's toenail fungus > Shankopotamus Rex.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 23, 2011 12:23 PM (GTbGH)

243 Texas has open records law. Most Texans are shrugging at all this fuss cause if Perry or any other politician did anything crooked according to Texas Law it would have been caught by now. Most folks don't want to tango with Greg Abbott.

Posted by: workingclass artist at August 23, 2011 12:33 PM (nD95B)

244 The washington coyotes and hyaenas have heard that Rick Perry is coming and it the news has rendered unto them a state of shivering shit-itis.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 23, 2011 01:09 PM (pqN6m)

245

The SCoaMF's Department of Blamethrowing has determined that the 5.9 quake was caused by...the Bush Faultline.

All subsequent aftershocks and the damages sustained therefrom will be attributed to...Bush's Fault.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 23, 2011 01:16 PM (pqN6m)

246 Perry has a lot of baggage as the longest-serving governor in the nation's second largest state. What we need is a junior US Senator in his first term with no legislative, business, military or executive experience.

We need someone who drops out of nowhere like a coconut out of a palm tree.  Someone who has two self-aggrandizing, ghost-written autobiographies before he's 45 years-old, but no other verifiable record before the age of 35.  Someone who spouts vague and gauzy cliches ad nauseam from a teleprompter. 

Shit, we're screwed.  The worst candidates we have are a successful governor from Utah and an ex-Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Cooter at August 23, 2011 02:38 PM (4RDlt)

247 I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

Posted by: Life of Pi Audiobook at August 23, 2011 04:24 PM (2XjDp)

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