1 You GOPers can cancel the 2012 election.

2 Yeah well... they had high hopes but people aren't really all that dizzy on Obama any more. If he'd done it, say, February 2009? Maybe he'd have looked more like Superman. By now he just looks like a guy who was in the right place at the right time and didn't blink. People are willing to give him some credit for not being Clinton here and letting him go, but that's as far as it goes.

I expect he'll get about a week's worth of slightly higher approval, but that's it. Killing Bin Laden a decade after 9/11 isn't very important to people.

3 Meanwhile SEAL TEAM 6 approval numbers are through the fucking roof!

4 Just because it needs to be reiterated...

Around the same time in his term, Bush 41 conclusively won Desert Storm and had an approval rating in the 90s, which was the highest in the history of Presidential approval ratings at that time. 

A bunch of solid Dem challengers refused to run against him as a result, meaning that only Clinton, Jerry Brown, and a few others were in the right place when Bush's approval rating tanked due to economic problems and a bunch of people being pissed at Bush for letting the Dems raise taxes.

Obama may have the media on his side, but he's got crappy instincts and his economic policies are hurting the country.  He's going to do something so stupid between now and 2012 that people will forget all about him being lucky enough to be the guy in the White House when the SEAL Team got Bin Laden.

5

Dead Osama + high speed rail = electoral landslide baby!

6 Poll bounces after military victories are never insurmountable!

7 I would echo Christopher Taylor at #2--this might make people think better of Obama for a short while, but people still don't have jobs, money is evaporating, union and/or Islamic thugs are being kowtowed to...it's kind of like a single episode of a TV show being really good, while all the other episodes suck.

8
But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!

9 I dislike him slightly less now for getting the hell out of the way and letting professionals do their jobs.

10 Who was the last president re-elected with real 16-20% unemployment? FDR?

11 The +18 from the WaPo poll is laughable.

12 I dislike him slightly less now for getting the hell out of the way and letting professionals do their jobs.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at May 03, 2011 08:19 PM (C6OjH)

After taking 16 hours to think about it mind you...

13 3 Meanwhile SEAL TEAM 6 approval numbers are through the fucking roof!

Posted by: USA at May 03, 2011 08:15 PM (YZISw)

They would be if SEAL TEAM 6 actually existed, which they don't. Just ask them. They'll tell you.

14 Excellent use of gif in the sidebar, especially the door kick at the end.

15 As I said in more detail on an earlier thread, +2 for Bin Laden, -10,002 for all the other crap he's done.

So, still -10,000.

16 13 They aren't even called SEAL team 6.

17

Do udderbulbs really think independents are impressed with Captain "I me I me me I I I"?

18 Obama is awesome.

19 Vote the Pump! http://tinyurl.com/3u37dt5

20 In a month evryone will be bitching about $5 gas and Osama will be forgotten.

21 $4.09 today; $72 dollars to fill the tank.

22 Racist.

23 Is it not possible that taking down Bin Laden was a unipolar political event?  That is, succeeding in the mission was the expected result, given the time taken to find him and the quality of the forces sent to kill him, so there was little potential upside for the President's approval for doing his job at the minimum acceptable standard;  but if the mission had failed like Carter's Desert One, there was a massive potential downside for the President because it would have cemented the narrative that he's a total fvck-up.

24 Ex-IDF Chief of Staff: "Galant also spoke about the US special forces targeted killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, saying “bin Laden is a symbol of the evil and terror that goes against the liberalism presented by Israel and the United States. I bless the special forces of the United States, who I worked with in the past, and who I have known for years on this great accomplishment.”

25

bin Ladin hadn't succeeded in doing much in the past 10 years - to the point where some people started to theorize that he was dead!

Nobody's going to be talking about this in a week, and nobody's going to care 18 months from now. It was already a long-overdue relic from the past.

26 They aren't even called SEAL team 6. OK," Currently Classified, formerly known as SEAL team 6." Better?

27

The rah rah Obama stuff sounds like they're trying to convince themselves. Propaganda is priority #1!

28

God. I just laughed myself to tears reading Frank J's "Shot in Islamic Traditioin" article from the sidebar.

Best quote : ". And if youÂ’ve ever owned a cat, you know theyÂ’re mischievous little creatures. ThatÂ’s part of their charm. Anyway, the cat ate one of his eyeballs. So, not great there on respecting the body according to Islamic tradition, but accidents happen."

29 Hmmmm....

30 They most certainly are called "SEAL Team 6", and yes, they "don't exist".

31 If Greg says its true, then it must be true. Ignore the advances of center-right parties in the Anglosphere and anti-Eurocrat populists in Europe. Ignore Prosser winning in LaFollette Progressive Wisconsin. Ignore 2010. Yep, a doubletap from an M4 makes Obama God. Exactly.

32

George H.W. Bush's bounce from the first Gulf War is also an interesting comparison, as it didn't last long enough to see him re-elected in a tough economic environment.

The case against President Obama's re-election has centered almost entirely on the economy, with no major narrative around Obama's foreign relations policies. His foreign policy trustworthiness will increase in polls, but it most likely won't be the key issue that swings undecideds.

Americans are overjoyed that bin Laden is rotting in Hell. But after the euphoria washes away, they will still be living in the Great Recession and worried about what the federal government's debt will due to our future and fiscal solvency. 

But today that doesn't matter. Today we rejoice that Osama bin Laden is dead and remember those that have lost their lives and loved ones' lives in the Long War against Terror. 

Good chart on post-event Presidential bounces through the years.

33
that's a great gif on the sidebar

34 Heh, Olberdouche trying desperately to pretend like he's still on MSNBC, funny in a pathetically self delusional kinda way.

35 King of the child molesters sides with Al Queda on O'reilly.

36 who is the asshole on O'Reilly now?

37 $72 for a tank of gas AND $200 grocery bill this week -- with nothing special or exotic in there except for some kids claritin.

Osama who ...

38 Polls are devices we use to buoy the fortunes of people we like and bury people we don't.

39 The Obama Admin. did a poor to fair job of covering this from the start and I think people have more questions than answers right now. From looking at the numbers, it's also safe to say that Obama is hurting in the polls* due to his poor handling of the economy. I agree with other posters who say that no one is going to remember this much as the summer progresses.

_{*He should have received a higher bounce, IMO}.

40 When did moral relativism become the founding principle of the Catholic faith?

41 Watching the mosques is not enough. Wiretap the priests.

42

I really wouldn't follow anything but the Rasmussen and Gallup polls. These two use a three day rolling average, so we should see what it looks like on Thursday. I don't think it will be all that much.

Republicans need to hammer Obama on the economy again and again. Screw the 'under 8% unemployment and he wins'. Instead, ask why this is the worst employment recovery after a recession since WWII and define success as 5-6% unemployment, where it should be.

Don't let Obama lull the nation into accepting the same type of ridiculously low expectations that have been set for him.

43

George H.W. Bush's bounce from the first Gulf War is also an interesting comparison, as it didn't last long enough to see him re-elected in a tough economic environment.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 03, 2011 08:34 PM

Remember me?

44 And this bounce won't last the month after all the idiotic navel gazing that has now broken out on  the left about shooting the evil bastard.

Was he armed?  Did he resist?  Why didn't we just cuff him and Mirandize him? 

Who gives a shit?

Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER, EFFING EVER let these people run a war.

For Exhibit B, I give you Libya.

45 Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:34 PM (qIHlG)

The 12th Imam!!?_^11ty!!

46 Posted by: H Ross Perot at May 03, 2011 08:38 PM (6zFxS)

Just the swoosh.

47 Waiting for Jay Cost to slice like a hammer on this ... my lefty friends hate it when I bring the numbers.

48 who is the asshole on O'Reilly now?

Posted by: Landshark! at May 03, 2011 08:34 PM (piMMO)

Duh...it's O'Reilly.

49 Waiting for Jay Cost to slice like a hammer on this ... my lefty friends hate it when I bring the numbers.

Math allergy....the tell of the leftard.

50 Nimitz.

51 I want Obama to go all in on the conquering hero image - maybe have a single roman column instead of the greek colonade at his events - and then have a SEAL retire and go public, humiliating him with the facts.

52 WOO-HOO!!!...bouncy-bouncy O-BA-MA!!!...suck it cons!

53

The main difference between GHWB and Obama though is that GHWB started with a good economy and the unemployment rate went up about 2 points in his final two years and 1 point in the last year.

Obama is where he is with near 9% unemployment. Unemployment will probably fall a touch (at least) before the election. We have to be out there defining success as full employment (5-6% unemployment) and saying that Republican policies can get us there, not assuming the narrative will come to us.

There is no reason why he should be near 50% right now. We need someone to go 'Trump' on Obama with the economy.

54 Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:43 PM (qIHlG)

Heh.

55 I want Obama to go all in on the conquering hero image - maybe have a single roman column instead of the greek colonade at his events - and then have a SEAL retire and go public, humiliating him with the facts.

Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2011 08:44 PM (7P7Ij)

He should add the name "BinLadenicus" in all official documents from now on.

56 Go to the blog Stop Shouting! to become acquainted with the Post-It note campaign to keep the economy front and center during the next 18 months. We don't have to be nasty about it, but instead just bring home the message that the high prices and economic stall that we're experiencing can be laid on one doorstep: Preznint Splutnik's. And the Dimbulbs. Stymie the Billion Dollar Campaign Bozo!! NOBama 2012!

57 I pity the foo.

58
When did moral relativism become the founding principle of the Catholic faith?



Vatican II, I think.

59 @56:  We know.  It's awesome.  I invested in a little carton of post-its I keep in my car.

60 $72 for a tank of gas AND $200 grocery bill this week -- with nothing special or exotic in there except for some kids claritin.

Yeah. I was on here last week asking if anyone else had experienced sticker shock at the register.

I haven't had to price-shop in years, although if I see a sale, I might capitalize on it. However, that whole buy-what-I-want mentality has to change. I've now nearly fallen over at the register three times, the latest being tonight.

Supposedly, grocery costs have gone up 5%, but that is a very basic basket. I am single and my daughter is out of the house so I tend to buy what I want, including boutique-type items every now and then.

This is what I purchased tonight. What would you imagine it would cost?

2 boxes of K-cups for the Keurig (12 cups ea.)
Dubliner cheese (my favorite)
Oscar Meyer ham (small package)
Osca Meyer turkey (small package)
Philly salmon cream cheese
Ray's bagels
Ezekial bread
blue bell ice cream bars
a carrot cake bar from the deli
a gallon of sweet tea from the deli
hot wings from the deli

$70!!

Essentially 3 bags of food for $70. The wings were $9. They were about $6 pretty recently. The cheese was about $1 less a month or so ago.

Shit! I guess I'll be back to Ragu and noodles before long.

61 Stymie the Billion Dollar Campaign Bozo!! NOBama 2012!

Posted by: ya2daup, an iPhone iMpeded iPosting at May 03, 2011 08:47 PM (6G2Gl)

Are you calling The Won "Stymie"?  RACISSSSSSTTTTTT!!!!!!

62 Post it note campaign. Gas pumps Grocery shelves. Is that what this is?

63 Duh...it's O'Reilly.

Heh. I should have anticipated that!

64 Post it note campaign. Gas pumps Grocery shelves. Is that what this is?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:50 PM (qIHlG)

 

Yep and I'm in. Leave no stone un-turned.

65 Obama cannot be beat- it's all over for you right wing nuts! Now if you'll excuse me, I need to put 20$ of gas in my car to run 2 errands tomorrow.

66

 Republicans need to quit worrying about the Bin Laden effect. Terrorism fears have long since been supplanted by economic anxieties for most Americans. With the dollar on life support and the cost of oil and basic goods skyrocketing, any bounce President Obama experiences will be temporary.

67 Post it note campaign. We need to run with this. Cheap, effective. Free if you have a job and a key to the office supply bunker.

68 @22 $4.09 today; $72 dollars to fill the tank.

$4.49 and a cool hunnert (and the gauge was at 1/4 to start with) ughhh. bouncy no lastee.

69 Post it note campaign. We need to run with this. Cheap, effective. Free if you have a job and a key to the office supply bunker.

uh, yeaaahh. I worked with a guy at UPS about 20 years ago who, at that time, already had about 20 years with UPS. He was an OTR driver and with overtime made about $50k a year plus benes. The asshole lost his job when a camera caught him stealing toilet paper from the supply room.

Can you imagine that conversation with the wife when he got home?

70 It cost me $43 to fill my Civic on Sunday.  Thank G-d I don't have a job to go to or it would cost me some real $$$$!

71 with nothing special or exotic in there except for some kids claritin.

Perhaps you should consider trading in your kid.

72

New thread up

73 It cost me $43 to fill my Civic on Sunday.  Thank G-d I don't have a job to go to or it would cost me some real $$$$!

So that funemployment is already paying off for you, huh?

74

Meanwhile SEAL TEAM 6 approval numbers are through the fucking roof!

"Seal Team 6" just entered the lexicon. (And can we all please forget "Winning!" and "adonis DNA" now?  We have real heroes for a change.) 

Bet there will be a movie with that title within a couple of years.  Maybe a song, book, hell even a TV show.  I for one will lap up anything about ST6.

75

George H.W. Bush's bounce from the first Gulf War is also an interesting comparison, as it didn't last long enough to see him re-elected in a tough economic environment.

I remember that time. The economic environment wasn't really that tough. What was tough was the constant media drumbeat that it was. That and that stupid Stephanopolous's "It's the economy stupid."

Now we have the media spinning that the economy is good. Hello 2nd term.

76
Post it note campaign. We need to run with this. Cheap, effective. Free if you have a job and a key to the office supply bunker.
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:55 PM

Better if you work for Google or MSNBC.

77 Gazing into my crystal ball I see that the death of Osama does enrage the radical muslim world so that all of the sleeper cells and lone wolves start their own little jihads. Obama shows he is unwilling/unable to deal with them effectively. Next it's either martial law, regime change in the US or rebirth of self-reliance among the citizenry. Maybe more than one of the above. Hope it's not too painful.

78

Slight conundrum for the proggos;

If Bin Laden doesn't represent true Islam, why did we give his body an Islamic burial?  If his act of terrorism violated Islamic Law, then he committed a horrible crime, even by Muslim standards -- and no prayer to Allah will save him.

If Bin Laden represents mainstream Islam, then Islam is an enemy to the rest of the civilized world.  So why would we ask this hostile god, Allah to be merciful to this murderer of 3,000 of our fellow citizens?  

79 clueless - thats full of exotic and special items from my standpoint, my basic load:

BJs:  Peanut Butter, OJ, Trashbags, big vinegar, big olive oil, Carrots, Spinach, big thing of hummus, big pack of chicken, pack of fruit cups, splurg items (Marinated MozzBalls and a big can of nuts)  99 bucks

Giant:  Bananas, Cauliflower, Cukes, red onion, avocado, Asp, slaw kit, deli ham, deli cheese, deli turkey, bagels, milk, eggs, kids drink boxes and snacks for lunches, chicken broth, kids shampoo, kids bandaids, kid claritin, big pack of beef eye round, ground pork, pack of Lebanon bologna, 12p of small water bottles (for the car), sliced bread - 99 bucks; the only name brand item in there is the Claritin and drink boxes.

(I'm not insane - i just happen to have the receipts in front of me to put into QBooks tonight.)  So that's 200 bucks plus another 5 bucks for bakery bread, another 15 at the farmers market, and maybe 15 bucks at Trader Joes for some frozen stuff if we get there this week.

My "market basket" average is up 13% over last year - per QBooks.  Gas with the same cars, same commutes - up 22%.  Insurances bumped up 7%.  Utilities etc flat, Tuition up 5%, (Daycare down 50%, Clothing down 15%  - another kid in Catholic school ) Oh, taxes up $7K - wtf. 

Whats the CPI?

Not gonna change my vote, but it will dampen enthusiasm for the One.

80 72 with nothing special or exotic in there except for some kids claritin.

Perhaps you should consider trading in your kid.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 03, 2011 08:58 PM (7utQ2)

Hell, they are my retirement plan. Might be yours too. 

81 I've heard a number of people from all across the political spectrum say "death of Obama" when they meant "Osama."  Talk about your Freudian slips...

82

Now we have the media spinning that the economy is good. Hello 2nd term.

Posted by: kansas at May 03, 2011 09:11 PM (srmf

Things are getting too expensive for the media to ignore.

83 By the time we have all seen the reverent funeral he ordered of Sheikh Consummate Evil, his bounce will be in negative territory.

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85 I'm glad there is a poll thread, there is something I've been thinking about.  Recently Rasmussen is starting to lean Dem on his results, compared to other polls. I'm kind of a poll junkie, so I've been trying to figure out why.

Ras has always tended to lean toward the GOP, but in the end have the closest result at the end, because so many other polls tend to over sample Dems, or poll Adults.

I think he felt stung by the last election when a lot of elections tended further to the Dems than he expected (e.g. Nevada), and he is now compensating.  But if he is doing that, it is a mistake.  One of the reasons he was accurate is he was the only pollster that was catching the effect of the GOP GOTV efforts.  When the RNC failed to use the 72 hour plan this last election, that blew Rasmussen's results.

This means that Rasmussen will be accurately reflecting the GOP, only if they are not using the GOTV strategy.

86 If inflation hits post-it notes, we are screwed.

87 Watching the mosques is not enough. Wiretap the priests.
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88 27

The rah rah Obama stuff sounds like they're trying to convince themselves. Propaganda is priority #1!

Posted by: Z Ryan


Bingo!

89 Not gonna change my vote, but it will dampen enthusiasm for the One.

WHAT?!

90

Between the beginning of 2010 and say, Feb. this year, Ogabe's floor in approval("Would you use the soap if the President exited the bathroom as you walked in?") ran about 43%.

Once the WalMart constituency discovered they had no money at the end of the month, stayed home and ate Ramen Noodles, his approval floor is more like 39%.

Remember Nov. 2008, it was like 61% yet just 52% voted for the Manchurian.  The Dimmis may not find Hoffa's dumpster by Nov. 2012 but this guy is going to be a neutron bomb to their turnout.

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92 First, Whats with all the fucking link spam in the messages.

Second, the lying cocksucking media can say we are in a recovery all they want, but if the americans are still unemployed even they wont be that damn stupid to buy it.

Third, gas and inflation aint going anywhere but up!

Fourth, eveyone pretty much knows the pos in the whitehouse didnt have the balls to actually do anything but step out of the way finally and let the military do its job...thats why there is no significant bounce.  He can say I all he wants, we all know he is a metropussy.

93 Obama is still a low level socialist agitator. Thanks to OUR Military - he got lucky. He should be careful not to gloat and take credit. Americans don't like that.

94 Just wait for the prices of gas to go to $6:00 a gallon or more and his populatity will plunge again

95

The killing occurred during Obama's watch. Big deal! Giving him credit for it is like giving Truman credit for VE Day after Churchill, FDR, Stalin, and their troops had done all the dirty work against Hitler.

If BO deserves credit for this kill, then Andrew Johnson deserves credit for saving the Union and destroying slavery. The day Lincoln died, General Johnston's Confederate Army of Tennessee was still in the field, as were General Kirby Smith's Trans-Missssippi forces. Pitched battles continued through July 1865, and the 13th Amendment wasn't passed until Reconstruction, during JOHNSON's presidency.

96 I recall an article years back pointing out how often the voters punish a president after he wins a war. They also don't like presidents who don't finish a war. They cheer after the victory but don't want to vote for him later.