June 27, 2011

The Only-The-Good-Episodes Guide To Doctor Who
— Ace

Andy Levy and JohnnyE and other people were asking me about what the good episodes are.

So I guess I'll put together a guide for them -- which ones to watch, which to skip.

I haven't watched them all, but I've watched all the ones that were recommended to me, plus a bunch I just watched.

There are two types of episodes you have to watch for the show: the episodes that are really good, and the episodes that contain important mythology elements (character introductions, character send-offs, etc.) Sometimes these are even the same episodes.

I'm listing all the gotta-watch shows. Obviously, if you see one that interests you (like, you want to see the Doctor meet Shakespeare in The Shakespeare Code), obviously, watch that one.

So, if you want to give this show a try and be like TV's Andy Levy, try these episodes. All should be on Netflix right now. Start: Out of order, just watch Season 3, episode 11, "Blink." This is a good episode to watch to just see if you have any interest at all in the show. It's a terrific introduction, because the Doctor is barely in it. I know this sounds odd, but basically you the viewer are put in the place of the main character, who's never heard of the Doctor or the TARDIS and who has never suspected the Earth is constantly being invaded by frightening aliens.

And it's got scary monsters, and a neat bit of time-parodox plotting.

Note the Doctor is actually a 900 year old alien who regenerates a new body when he dies (up to 12 times, they've said before, but I think they're going to change that "law"), so the actor you'll see in the beginning of the series is different than the actor in Blink. That actor, David Tenant, begins in season 2.

Also, here's some background about the Doctor you might want to know:

He is an extremely advanced-tech alien who is essentially "magic" in the Arthur C. Clarke meaning (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic). He is a Time Lord, last of his race, as they were all killed in massive cross-time war called the Time War. They died fighting the Daleks, who look like robots but actually are little mutant bug/slug creatures inside those steel bodies. They are essentially Space Nazis, "exterminating" all inferior life, which is all other life (and sometimes themselves, too).

The TARDIS looks like a 1960s London Police Box because it has a chameleon circuit which changes its appearance to make it blend in with whatever time and place he's traveled to, but the circuit is broken, and seems to believe a 1960s London Police Box fits in everywhere. It is famously "bigger on the inside" than the outside -- telephone-booth sized on the outside, roomy spaceship on the inside.

He's got two major pieces of gear he always uses, a sonic screwdriver which opens locks and programs computers and other tech at a distance, and "psychic paper," a blank piece of white paper inside a credentials wallet that he can project his thoughts to to make it appear like whatever credentials he wants them to be.

He's at least slightly insane, but in the "kind eccentric" kind of way, but he frequently puts his companions into serious danger without seeming to give it a lot of thought.

He basically saves the entire universe three or four times a season.

The show is guns-are-bad stupid, but they claim it's because the Doctor fought in the Time War and killed literally millions so he's a bit dodgy about using any further lethal force. Generally he tries to outwit or trick opponents, or magic-up some super-high tech Deus Ex Machina, but every once in a while he kills people.

He usually gives people a "choice" before he kills them, between violence and peaceful coexistence, and even though he dresses this up as a "choice," it sounds more like an "ultimatum" or "threat." When someone doesn't make the right "choice" he kills them. (Every once in a while someone makes the right choice.)

It's basically aimed at kids but always has been sort of in-between in being silly enough for kids but scary enough for adults. Because it was perceived as so scary it was initially very controversial in England, as kids would have to hide their eyes for parts of it.

If you like "Blink" (and you probably will), start the series in order. I'm bolding the series numbers for particularly crucial episodes.

Season 1

Episode 1, "Rose," intro of the Doctor, the TARDIS, and Rose.

6, "Dalek," reintroducing the Daleks, the Doctor's all-time most famous and furious enemies.

7 "The Long Game," maybe, as it ties in with the season finale and has a guest star appearance from Simon Pegg, but honestly I skipped this one myself and didn't feel I missed anything.

8, "Father's Day," iimportant character development for Rose.

9-10 "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances," best episodes of the season, and pretty creepy stuff.

And he season finale, 12-13, "Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways."

Season 2.

1, "The Christmas Invasion," intro of the 10th Doctor, decent episode too.

Maybe 3, "Tooth and Nail," werewolves and Queen Victoria -- but not as good as it should have been.

Maybe 4 "School Reunion," a so-so episode with big guest appearance from former companion Sarah Jane Smith (RIP -- the actress just passed).

5, "The Girl In the Fireplace," best episode of the season.

6-7, "Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel," decent, reintroduces old foes the Cybermen, also hooks into later episodes.

8, "The Idiot's Lantern," fair-to-good, no mythology parts, so skip if you want to.

And the two part finale 13-14, "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday" -- always have to watch season finales, I think I remember this one being okay.

Season 3.

Okay, start with 1, "The Runaway Bride." It's pretty decent. I think it was a Christmas special between the two seasons.

Then 2, "Smith and Jones," good ep, introduces new companion Martha hubba-hubba Jones.

WHATEVER YOU DO SKIP 4, "GRIDLOCK," WORST EPISODE OF ENTIRE RUN. Edit: Some are insisting this is good. They also insist there's some mythology bits here you need to see. I don't agree. That sort of stuff is summed up in the introductory recaps before other episodes, and it's why God invented Wikipedia. One line about a vague prophecy doesn't justify, to me, watching 45 minutes of a bad episode. If you really want to see everything like that, fine, watch the whole series. But this post is specifically for people who want to sample but aren't wanting to commit to watching five or six seasons' worth of episodes.

5-6, "Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks," okay episodes; Daleks must be watched on general principle.

9-10, "Human Nature/Family of Blood," pretty darned decent set of episodes about the Doctor deliberately lobotomizing himself so that he has no memory and cannot be found by hostile aliens, good creepy monsters.

11, "Blink," great episode, but you already watched it.

12, "Utopia," a so-so episode that needs to be watched as it reintroduces a villain important in the finale.

13-14, "The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords," season finale. I forget it if it's good. I know the villain's very watchable.

Season 4.

Generally regarded as a snoozer of a season.

1, "Voyage of the Damned." Good fun aboard a Titanic-themed spaceship which is... going to crash into the Earth. A standalone episode. Actually I think this was a special between the last season and this one.

Edit: Rethinking this, while I hate the premise of this episode and I think it's just silly, you have to watch Donna Noble's actual introduction as a companion. So watch episode 2, "Partners in Crime," for the character moments, and try to ignore how dumb-silly the monsters are here. The Doctor and Donna are fun together, at least.

4, "Planet of the Ood," just because the Ood are fun and I think there's a mythology foreshadowing here.

7, "The Doctor's Daughter." I just sort of like this one; it's like 3000 other sci-fi adventure shows before it, but with two twists I like a lot, plus, the return of Martha hubba-hubba Jones. Plus I can't skip every episode this season.

8, "The Unicorn and the Wasp," probably sounds good as the Doctor meets Agatha Christie, but I gotta warn ya: It's pretty dumb. Only for people who really want to see the Doctor match wits with Dame Agatha.

9-10 "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead," best episodes of the season, again by Steven Moffat, who cannot make an error on this show; also contain very important foreshadowing mythology and introduction of one River Song.

Maybe 11, "Midnight," one of those locked-room single-setting episodes they do to save money -- like, you know, how every action show must have that bank robbery/hostage situation episode. Talky, but people seem to like it, I guess for the group dynamics of fear and scapegoating and mob mentality. I thought it was okay.

Then the two part season finale 13-14, "The Stolen Earth/Journey's End." The earth is literally stolen. Gotta watch that.

Now, what happens at this point is that the regular season 4 ended, and David Tenant just made four "specials" through the next year. This is called season 4.5.

The first such special is actually listed as episode 15 at the end of season 4 -- "The Next Doctor" -- and is a very good episode. Just re-watched it the other night. One of the funnest episodes. Good villain, too.

The next special -- go to your Netflix queue, because you have to specifically find this stand-alone episode -- is "The Waters of Mars." Well-regarded. People seem to like it more than I do. I'm not sure I get why. But nothing wrong with it. Just average-to-good.

Another stand-alone one you'll search for is "Planet of the Dead," which is a lame episode, but I like the companion here. Not sure if I can recommend it just for that. This smells like a skip.

Finally comes the real season capper for David Tenant, another stand-alone you have to search for as a free-standing episode, "The End of Time Parts 1 and 2." With guest star Timothy Dalton, and others. Average to good, but must be watched, as this is the end of the line for the 10th Doctor.

Season 5: Steven Moffat now takes over the show as showrunner.

Episode 1, "The Eleventh Hour," introduces the new Doctor, and new (extremely popular) companion Amy Pond. The story is good, but Moffat cribs a bit from his previous writing (and does some more cribbing in later). Edit: removed an ill-considered saying-too-much-about-this-episode semi-spoiler.

2, "The Beast Below," is a fun, weird, creepy episode. I'm told it rips off a ST:TNG episode pretty bad, though.

3, "Victory of the Daleks" is an awesome Dalek epsiode. Guess who is about to deploy Daleks as part of his army? That's right -- Winston Churchill.

4-5, "Time of the Angles/Flesh and Stone" is a reprise for the Weeping Angels from "Blink." Good, but not nearly as good as Blink. Sort of straining a little. Includes important mythology clues, plus River Song.

Maybe 7, "Amy's Choice," is an oddball episode that sort of goes nowhere but is still worth your time. Or not. Definitely skippable.

10, "Vincent and the Doctor" has Vincent Van Gogh and is very good. Neat idea about Van Gogh's lunacy. Partly caused by (or the cause of) his ability to see invisible monsters that no one else, including the Doctor, can see.

11, "The Lodger." Good episode.

12-13, "The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang." The Season 5 finale, of course a must-watch.

Edit: There is another Christmas special which I'm not sure is available yet called "A Christmas Carol." It might be available as a standalone episode. If so, give it a watch. It's a cute re-spinning of the old Dickens story.

And that's it. At that point, you're up to the current season, which just ended, but the DVD's for it will be out in weeks. The new season is strongly-interlocked plot-wise and I don't even know where they're going with it yet (they stopped mid-season for hiatus) so I can't say any of them are skippable. I don't know yet.



Posted by: Ace at 09:48 PM | Comments (90)
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1 How do you find time to watch so much TV and so many movies?

Posted by: Truman North at June 27, 2011 09:56 PM (K2wpv)

2

Wow Ace, you really put some effort into this.

For the past few days I've been watching the Doctor Who classics with Pertwee and Baker. Lalla Ward, hubba hubba.

Here's a list of all the Dr. Who episodes:

http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Dr%20Who%20seasons%2012-18.htm

Posted by: davo at June 27, 2011 10:02 PM (q8Yz9)

3 Did you review the new X-Men flick?

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 27, 2011 10:03 PM (NZPEo)

4 sfdebris put together a pretty good introductory video with some suggestions about where to start off with the show.

http://tinyurl.com/3lk4926

Ace, got any classic Dr. Who episodes you'd like to recommend?

Posted by: embittered redleg at June 27, 2011 10:06 PM (qnulu)

5 Up until recently, I gave Dr. Who a miss, because I caught a couple of the 60's-70's episodes on PBS back in the day, and they just looked so god-awful videotapey and cheap looking that I never could bring myself to give the show a chance.

Posted by: Mike James at June 27, 2011 10:11 PM (FMUMi)

6 Funny you should post a "Doctor Who" thread tonight. I just finished S5 E12/13 a couple of hours ago after putting it off for a month due to work. I thought they were pretty decent. I was hoping they'd work the Doctor's daughter into this season or next. I like her character and hope the can spin it off into a new series like they did with Torchwood. Did you know David Tennant recently married the actress who played his offspring?

Posted by: Anthony Riley at June 27, 2011 10:13 PM (Zi1yb)

7 The current season is on break. They decided to build tension by having a mid season cliff hanger. Good list. Of the current run I have to say my favorite is the girl in the fireplace, after that I love the eps with River Song. She is so unique compared to the typical companion.

Posted by: Norman at June 27, 2011 10:15 PM (GGS7o)

8 Can't help you. Still have childhood trauma from early exposure to the Daleks. I know now they were basically a tin can covered in aluminum foil, but they were pretty convincing to a kid peering from behind a couch cushion. Those suckers scared the bejeebers out of me. "I am a Dalek" crept into many a nightmare.  I did meet the Doctor with the eight mile scarf at one point... Tom something or other... and he was delightfully odd. Although I was concerned he and his scarf would one day end up like Isadora Duncan.

Posted by: jules at June 27, 2011 10:16 PM (EEUh7)

9

My mother, the dog eugenicist, loves Dr. Who.

Therefore, it's kind of tainted for me.

Posted by: Truman North at June 27, 2011 10:19 PM (K2wpv)

10 Stage view has almost every Doctor Who from the pilot to current: http://tinyurl.com/yz57mln

Posted by: davo at June 27, 2011 10:20 PM (q8Yz9)

11 You haven't seen Who unless you've seen the old series. 1st Doctor: The Daleks; The Dalek Invasion of Earth 2nd Doctor: Tomb of the Cybermen; War Games 3rd Doctor: Anything with the Master in it 4th Doctor: The Keys of Time storyline 5th Doctor: The Five Doctors; Snakedance 6th Doctor: The Two Doctors 7th Doctor: Curse of Fenric; Battlefield Of course, anything with the Brigadier is win

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2011 10:21 PM (9d/Sh)

12 Something else to remember. If you notice Moffat is involved with some other Brit TV show... WATCH IT. For example, following that rule you would have known that "Sherlock" was must-see-tv. Ref old DR. shows. I'm very fond of the 4th Doctor series "The Sun Makers". (wiki says it's a 4 parter but I remember it as a 6 parter. ) "Praise the Company"

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 27, 2011 10:24 PM (KOAYS)

13

Andy Levy and JohnnyE and other people were asking me about what the good episodes are.

 

Hehe, almost missed it.  Name-dropping like a CHAMP

Posted by: Truman North at June 27, 2011 10:27 PM (K2wpv)

14 One thing I'm not fond of with the new set of series is precisely the 'two stock items: sonic screwdriver and psychic paper' meme.

The 'old Doctors' each had the sonic screwdriver and a schtick or two. Or three. From Betsy the inertialess-braking-antique-car to K-9 and poison-prevention-celery.

But the 'new three' Doctors have all used the same core props. The clothes have changed, the attitude has changed some, but they're using the same approaches to problems.

One Doctor, can't recall who, does "The Jedi Mind Trick" frequently. Um, well before Lucas rips it off. The Master used it all the damn time. And was a better foe than the Daleks anyway, because they couldn't deal with stairs. :/

A second 'issue' with the new series for me is that the interior of the TARDIS isn't portrayed as mind-blowingly-outrageously huge inside. More of a single gigantic room with balconies and alcoves.

There are a couple of old episodes where they spent the entire episode lost inside the TARDIS itself. Wandering from 'the controls' to the 'battle bridge' and the 'emergency controls'. Or just looking for the garden - because they're starving to death trying to find their way out after it rearranged.

The crashlanding in the meet-Amy Pond episode is about the only reference I can recall at the moment - where he's babbling about the pool falling into the library. She think's that's nuts, and it isn't really explained (or funny, rather than just half-baked) unless you really grok "skyscraper in a box" instead of "one ballroom in a box".

Posted by: Al at June 27, 2011 10:27 PM (MzQOZ)

15 dr who is a character that has powers that come and gi bbased on whether he is in danger. Silly stuff. The death note series is much better story on netflix

Posted by: kkk at June 27, 2011 10:28 PM (bMMCq)

16 where do you see these episodes? hulu? or where?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at June 27, 2011 10:37 PM (UrPTC)

17 Netflix or blockbuster. Or amazon, maybe, downloading them per-episode. >>>One Doctor, can't recall who, does "The Jedi Mind Trick" frequently. Um, well before Lucas rips it off. The Master used it all the damn time. And was a better foe than the Daleks anyway, because they couldn't deal with stairs. :/ He does, actually, but it's more subtle. The only way to possibly explain how the Doctor can just talk all of his enemies into waiting to kill him is some kind of ability to project empathetic trust. In some episodes it is explicitly stated that people feel trust towards him without knowing why. >>>A second 'issue' with the new series for me is that the interior of the TARDIS isn't portrayed as mind-blowingly-outrageously huge inside. More of a single gigantic room with balconies and alcoves. No it's a big mansion inside. They allude to the "swimming pool" room in some episodes.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2011 10:41 PM (nj1bB)

18 ah you mentioned the pool. Well, it has a pool. They don't show the other rooms but they're there.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2011 10:43 PM (nj1bB)

19 Thanks Ace... I've been wanting to catch up for a long time. will bookmark this to use as a ref.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at June 27, 2011 10:44 PM (UrPTC)

20 Ace I know you just asked on Twitter about why not to skip Gridlock.  Its because of the Face of Bo being in it, and having some foreshadowing to the season finale that early on.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2011 10:46 PM (oVQFe)

21 Oh well, The Face of Boe is a little bit they throw into a bunch of bad episodes and while the prop is cool it's not worth watching three bad episodes just to have some kind of a dumb joke about the fate of one character.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2011 10:48 PM (nj1bB)

22 Yeah there's that and the message he give to The Doctor which is also foreshadowing.  Probably can skip the episode if you have someone give you that information.

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2011 10:50 PM (oVQFe)

23 is this "he'll knock four times?"

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2011 10:50 PM (nj1bB)

24 They cover most of that stuff in the introductory recaps.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2011 10:51 PM (nj1bB)

25 Reason British TV can be so good

*narrower audience unlike Hollywood has to write stuff watchable from Alabama-Manhattan-New Zealand
*puts ugly people on TV
*Shows often have 1-2 writers instead of a team constantly caught in push-pull


Here is some of my favorite British TV

-QI
-Black Books
-Peep Show
-IT Crowd
-Mitchell and Webb Look
-Outnumbered
-Summer Heights High (Australian)
-White Van Man
-Yes Minister (older/pro Thatcher political)
-Red Dwarf (older)
-HyperDrive (SciFi - guy from hot Fuzz)
-Inbetweeners
-The Palace

Posted by: Shiggz at June 27, 2011 10:51 PM (mLAWK)

26 "You are not alone"

Posted by: buzzion at June 27, 2011 10:53 PM (oVQFe)

27 > 15... The death note series is much better story on netflix Posted by: kkk Ahhh, Death Note. Now THAT kicks ass. Let's see... I've watched the fan subs. Watch the English dubs on TV. Read the manga. Watched both live action movies. (did NOT watch the prequel movie about "L"). Even watched the shinigami side-story clip show movie. Hell, I even watched the Lifetime Movie (rip-off) "Devil's Diary" just to see how bad it was. Death Note is great. Did you know that in China, they banned Death Note? School kids were making up their own Death Note books and writing their teacher's names in it. Bwa ha ha ha. Anyway, if you liked Death Note, look for Liar's Game. The same kind of crazy mind games going on.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 27, 2011 11:56 PM (KOAYS)

28 I loved to watch Dr. Who in the morning before going to school but as I got older I lost my taste for it. I just don't see the attraction. I got hooked on the 1st season of the new series but after that I ran into the same problem.

Posted by: RAB at June 27, 2011 11:57 PM (bMpEG)

29 I prefer drama...

Posted by: Removal man at June 28, 2011 12:12 AM (0XTbZ)

30 @Shiggz "Here is some of my favorite British TV" You can't go wrong with "Blake's 7" - pretty much the anti-Trek with a victorious evil Federation and main cast heroes who could snuff it at any time. And Servalan was hot.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 28, 2011 12:15 AM (9d/Sh)

31 I'd go along with most of this, and then add, skip the latest season altogether, as it sucked giant donkey dicks. Loved Tennant and Eccleston, and Billie Piper had smashing chemistry with both, esp Tennant. So much so that Davies had to stick a crowbar in canon & invent a plausible way for Rose & the Doctor to get their HEA. I started out liking Matt Smith very much, but when they made Amy & Rory twu wuvs, I took a powder. You really expect me to believe that when a woman can have The Doctor, she'd settle for some pansy-ass male nurse?

Posted by: wankette at June 28, 2011 12:55 AM (CrYip)

Posted by: mac cosmetic wholesale at June 28, 2011 01:43 AM (AjJhg)

33 How could you possibly leave out 'Turn Left'? I think it's season 4, just before 'The Stolen Earth'. Its a great What If kind of story and brings back Rose ( the very best companion ever IMO) to help change reality back to the way it should have been. It's a good watch, even if you know nothing about the Doctor. He's barely in it.

Posted by: Log Cabin at June 28, 2011 02:49 AM (OmHPx)

34 Amy's Choice is a lot more important than you realize.

In the old series, there was a rather long serial called Trial of a Time Lord, where the sixth Doctor was put on trial for various crimes, with genocide tacked on later on in the trial. Anyway, the prosecutor was someone called the Valeyard, who seems to have a very personal grudge against the Doctor. It isn't until the last couple of episides that we find out just who the Valeyard really is.



--- Spoilers Below ---






The Valeyard is the amalgamation of all of the evil that is within the Doctor from his future, somewhere near the end of the 12th regeneration or the start of the 13th, and he even uses illusions in an attempt to kill the Doctor (the only difference is they were inside the Matrix and not in a dream). We're getting fairly close to that point now, and this episode could mark the very beginning of the Valeyard, even though he resides only in the Doctor's mind right now as the Dream Lord.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball at June 28, 2011 03:14 AM (fDGAU)

35 New Who Bites.

/obligatory

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 03:19 AM (MMC8r)

36 I disagree about season four being a snoozer. Donna Noble was great, because she was the first companion of the reboot that wasn't in love with the Doctor, which was a nice change. She also wound up being the most tragic companion. The thing that bugged me about season four was the fact that characters from past seasons were wedged in too much, not allowing the Noble character to develop further.

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at June 28, 2011 03:27 AM (QBQcg)

37 New season is not over, actually. It's on hiatus for the summer.

Posted by: Mandy P. at June 28, 2011 03:28 AM (vGmv/)

38 For creepy episodes, it's really hard to beat The Brain of Morbius.

Posted by: teransolo at June 28, 2011 04:26 AM (Inyp1)

39 Actually, Gridlock wasn't that bad.  There's a very big reveal at the end of it, that directly ties into Torchwood and the true identity of a guest-star character.  You have to watch it and see.

Speaking of Torchwood, have you seen any of those?  It's a spin-off of DW, but it's a lot more darker, serious, and very little campiness.  It's also full of the ghey-sex between John Barrowman (who is gay IRL) and one of the other stars of the show.  Thankfully, there are some other good ghey scenes between the hot asian doctor chick and an alien hooker in one episode.  Torchwood is coming back this summer on Starz, and the setting is in America now and not the UK.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 04:44 AM (GQ8sn)

40 What's up with five seasons - must be at 25 or 30 by now?

Posted by: Chuckit at June 28, 2011 05:03 AM (w4TjI)

41 A good summary of the new Doctor who came from Donna Noble in "The Doctor's Daughter": "He saves planets, rescues civilizations, defeats terrible creatures. And runs a lot. Seriously, there's an outrageous amount of running involved." Very timely for me, as I'm teaching a science fiction course in the fall and only have time to show two episodes in class. How to best give the flavor of the Doctor in only two? Level of Difficulty: I'd prefer the newer series and that both eps involve the same Doctor/companion combo. Every single person I asked practically shouted "Blink!" before I'd finished the question. It is self-contained and centers around an ontological paradox (or the "bootstrap paradox") and does have a proper scary villain. I wavered over "Girl in the Fireplace." (I also soon realized that I could have cut my work down by just starting with anything by Moffat.) While I understand you not liking much of series 4, I can't help but love Donna Noble. She's a bit older, not in love with the Doctor and willing to call him out on his behavior. Catherine Tate is spot on, has great chemistry with Tennant, and does the silly and the tragic equally well IMHO. Contrast the pantomime in "Partners in Crime" with the end of "Turn Left." Rose is too treacly and Martha just moons too much. I like Amy but she's so young and acts like it. I can't imagine any of them saying, "Oi! Watch it space boy!" or "Yeah. Maybe we can get sentimental after the world's finished choking to death." Donna's grandfather, Wilf, just adds to it. BTW, I settled on "Smith and Jones" and then "Blink!" The first introduces Martha (who's in "Blink!" as well) so it has some exposition too. And the weeping angels are just fantastic.

Posted by: CJM at June 28, 2011 05:14 AM (KA6mG)

42

Don't miss the episodes from the old series that Douglas Adams ('The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy') wrote/edited.   Those include all of season 17 with Tom Baker as the doctor and Lalla Ward as Romana.  Special effects aren't good at all, but that's part of the charm  - the scripts are hilarious.          

Posted by: plum at June 28, 2011 05:19 AM (h4Yoq)

43 i love the weeping angels! the newer dr who episodes have
better production values because of computers
but i love tom baker {# 4}
the sun king-praise the company-great stuff
also- romana one-mary tamm [?] was
in the odessa file

Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 05:57 AM (FduBR)

44 GAY!!!

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 05:59 AM (hIWe1)

45 Just kidding.  Just watched "Blink" and I was really quite impressed by it.  I haven't seen any other Dr. Who eps, but whatever else, you were definitely right about this one being a GREAT place to start.  Those statues are fucking creepy.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 06:00 AM (hIWe1)

46 I have to say, it reminds me (and I mean this in the best possible way) of a great X-Files episode.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 28, 2011 06:01 AM (hIWe1)

47 lalla ward and tom baker had a
relationship,maybe married
and then had a nasty divorce
who's afraid of virginia wolff

Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 06:03 AM (FduBR)

48 Thanks, Ace. I hit the sack before the post went up.

Posted by: Johnny at June 28, 2011 06:05 AM (mhmc7)

49 ace - did you not like impossible planet/satan pit? it introduces the ood, and is one of the few episodes that really goes outside the typical subject material of dr who episodes. sound of drums finale is also important in dr. who lore and ties into the end of tennant in "end of time"

Posted by: A.G. at June 28, 2011 06:07 AM (myTwx)

50

OK, didn't read the whole thread, but this list isn't that good. First: Gridlock? Worst episode? In a list that covers "The Idiot's Lantern," "The Doctor's Daughter," and the botched home abortion that is "Fear Her?" (Also, "Gridlock" is important to the climax of the season, because it's where the Doctor gets told "you are not alone," which is itself payoff from "New Earth." Watch it for continuity, if nothing else.)

Also, the omission of "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit" is pretty glaring. Aside from the awesomness inherent in the idea of The Doctor v Satan, it set up the only interesting moments in the abysmal "Planet of the Ood." ("They're born with their brains in their hands?" What the hell kind of payoff is that? I'll take possession by the quintessence of evil thank you very much.)

Posted by: edgewalker at June 28, 2011 06:09 AM (VrNoa)

51 i like this line
are you afraid of monsters?
no, monsters are afraid of me

Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 06:10 AM (FduBR)

52 Any episode with K9 is a good one! Yes, Master! There was one where K9 was on a conveyor belt, heading toward destruction...yes, this is foggy!... and I thought that the Doctor was just going to have a stroke trying to rescue his little buddy.... Oh, hell, just start at the beginning and watch them all!

Posted by: Errol at June 28, 2011 06:12 AM (d2AYO)

53 Wow. I'm pleasantly surprised to hear some positive commentary on the new series. I just assumed it sucked bad. I was a huge fan when I was a teenager. . .I think I've seen just about every episode of the old series through the first six doctors, including the still-existing original old B&W ones from the 60s with William Hartnell, etc. Its always had its ups and downs, but by the time it got to Sylvester McCoy at the end of the '80s, the thing was just so lousy it was unwatchable, and I have to say, it probably WAS time for the series to end. Maybe when I regenerate for MY second lifetime, I'll get around to watching some of the episodes of the remade series. . .but probably not until then.

Posted by: looking closely at June 28, 2011 06:12 AM (YpVHs)

54 So I don't get the fascination with this show. I saw an episode this past week that was retarded. Some aliens were on earth or something. The doctor was locked in a room or something and they were trying to find out what aliens they were and he kept saying "narrows it down!" until someone mentioned that their farts smell and he realized, "oh, throw vinegar on them! That'll kill em."

So you mean to tell me, they could travel across the galaxy to invade the planet, but couldn't account for a readily available substance that easily kills them?

Makes sense, I guess. Maybe there is an inside joke there that I'm not getting but color me not impressed. Very derivative and stupid, IMHO.

Posted by: lorien1973 at June 28, 2011 06:18 AM (usXZy)

55 heathen! hush your mouth!
go watch star trek
shatner gets the girl

Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 06:20 AM (FduBR)

56 Here is a link to the YouTube "The Weakest Link Doctor Who Special", contested by some pretty good BBC Dr.Who series actors... http://tinyurl.com/6j4g6d  

Posted by: Errol at June 28, 2011 06:24 AM (d2AYO)

57 Makes sense, I guess. Maybe there is an inside joke there that I'm not getting but color me not impressed. Very derivative and stupid, IMHO.

The old show was genuinely more creative.  It had to be.

I got tired of the new show pretty quickly.

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 06:38 AM (MMC8r)

58 I think you could start with the newest Dr. go from there and then back track a little bit into previous seasons and be satisfied. The newest runs have high production values, fewer stories full of cheese. I don't really mind the cheese though when it happens. I really like Matt Smith's Dr. though, better than Mr. Tennant IMHO (which is blasphemy since most fans consider Tennant the best evar; he was good but I like Smith's smart humorous take on him better and perhaps it helps having better stories).

BTW - You mention avoid Gridlock - I don't think that one is as bad as Fear Her.

I used to like Midnight at first but after a second and third viewing I really can't say I care for it at all. Just a lot of "Stop it, just stop it!" going on that gets really annoying.

As for the sonic screwdriver, if you watch through all the classic episodes (I've watched all available episodes from the 1st to the 4th doctor, just barely finished The Five Doctors in the middle of the 5th Dr's run) the Dr. rarely had gadgets get him out of trouble, although they often had to rely on some slightly improbably or just-in-the-nick-of-time thing to get him out of the trouble the writers got him into. I don't mind it being used as a scanner as well as a screwdriver but they really need to stop using it as a weapon too. If you want to give the dr a proper weapon then give it to him. Otherwise, give him his venusian karate skills back

Posted by: ArcadeHero at June 28, 2011 06:52 AM (/Wu7S)

59 "The Valeyard is the amalgamation of all of the evil that is within the Doctor from his future, somewhere near the end of the 12th regeneration or the start of the 13th."

The worst idea ever tried in Dr Who history.  It makes no sense.  Seriously, read that paragraph again and try to make sense of it.  There's a reason why the show tanked so hard in the mid-eighties that it was eventually crapcanned for sixteen years.

It was incoherent concepts like The Valeyard that made the show impenetrable for a general audience.  It still amazes me that so many Who fans are enamored of it.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 07:19 AM (uaEZS)

60 Interesting choices, Ace, and I share many of them, but I think you left off a couple of essentials:  "Love & Monsters" from the second season was the first proper "Doctor-lite" episode, and I think it's brilliant, save, perhaps for an ending that's maybe a bit morally...immature.

I'd also add "Turn Left" from season 4.  It's a big Leftist wankfest, but it's also perhaps the most adult (in terms of disturbing) episode of the entire series.  That makes it an essential for me.

Finally, I would submit that "The Long Game" is mediocre enough to skip, Simon Pegg notwithstanding, and "Midnight" is really, really good.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 07:23 AM (uaEZS)

61 "So you mean to tell me, they could travel across the galaxy to invade the planet, but couldn't account for a readily available substance that easily kills them?"

What's your point?

Posted by: M. Night Shyamalan at June 28, 2011 07:25 AM (uaEZS)

62 Worst moment in the entire series: when the Ninth Doctor literally swoons over the welfare state in "The Doctor Dances" (season 1).

It's a brilliant episode with a big ripe, smelly left-wing fart at the end.

"Don't forget the welfare state!"

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 07:35 AM (uaEZS)

63 "Lalla Ward, hubba hubba."

For some reason I've never been able to appreciate her appearance.  To me she looks like a frog, but it's clear that I'm alone because Who fans have always claimed she was beautiful.

Something's wrong with my eyes when it comes to seeing her, I guess.  I wish I could fix that, because it sounds like she's pretty hot.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 07:37 AM (uaEZS)

64 Lalla Ward was fugly.  Mary Tamm, who was the first incarnation of Romana was waaaay hotter.  A tall, dark brunette who always wore that feathery cloak looking outfit was the hottest companion back in the day.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 07:44 AM (GQ8sn)

65 I just did a Google image search on Lalla Ward to see if I could find the Truth, and I think I have.

She's got a beautiful face, but when she opens her mouth she's still got those British teeth.  I think that's what throws me.  Even Billie Piper suffered from those teeth (although I thought she was gorgeous from the first time I saw her).

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 07:58 AM (uaEZS)

66

Darn it, I missed a Doctor Who thread.

I don't like the new Doctor, Matt Smith, but the Amy Pond character makes up for my dislike of the Doctor and keeps me watching it because she is entertaining.

I liked Donna Noble's episodes, agree with whomever said it was nice because she wasn't in love with the Doctor.

In the season that just ended you see a bit more of the inside of the TARDIS, plus there's the episode already discussed here in another post that Neil Gaiman directed.

We've been watching the old ones from the 1960s. You can get most of the old Doctor Who episodes, but not all because the BBC recorded over some of the earliest ones. The 5 Doctors was entertaining.

Posted by: ParanoidWorkingGirlinSeattle at June 28, 2011 07:59 AM (RZ8pf)

67 Even Billie Piper suffered from those teeth

She had them fixed when she returned for the Dalek invasion when Davros wanted to destroy the entire universe with the stolen Earth.  You definitely notice she has different speech pattern because of them.

Google Mary Tamm and compare to Lalla Ward.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 08:00 AM (GQ8sn)

68 Lalla Ward was fugly.  Mary Tamm, who was the first incarnation of Romana was waaaay hotter.  A tall, dark brunette who always wore that feathery cloak looking outfit was the hottest companion back in the day.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Yes and yes. I saw Mary Tamm (in person) in the mid 1980s. She was stunning.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2011 08:01 AM (1Jaio)

69 Yes and yes. I saw Mary Tamm (in person) in the mid 1980s. She was stunning.

* high fives *

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 08:02 AM (GQ8sn)

70 I'm a bit confused about the objective here -- is the idea just to recommend only the "good" episodes, or is the idea to recommend episodes worth watching so that a new viewer can get up to speed with the current series? 

For instance, in series 5 if you skip straight from ep 5 to ep 10, an important part of what happens in The Pandorica Opens (and some small parts of Vincent and the Doctor) won't make sense because you'll have missed completely on what's been going on with Rory.  You do say not to miss out on Utopia even though it's a "so-so" episode because important stuff happens.  I think there's other similar cases a new viewer should be aware of.

For the earlier series I would suggest not skipping Gridlock (the Face of Boe bit is important and I like Gridlock damnit!) or ep 11 in Series 4, Turn Left, which is one of my favorites and contains some important foreshadowing.

For series 5 though things start becoming more linked together and it's harder to skip chunks of episodes at a time.  You probably need to see at least one of episode 6 and episode 7 to understand Rory and Amy's relationship and then at bare minimum you need to watch the last 15 minutes of episode 9 to be properly set up for the finale (even though 8 and 9 are a two parter, I agree that aside from the arc-related coda at the end of 9 they are skippable).

Really though if the idea is just to get up to speed, I would just recommend just starting with series 5 (Matt Smith's first season) since his first episodes are a perfect "jumping on" point for a new audience and the story takes you along from there.  You can work your way back through the previous series at your leisure.

Also note there is a 2010 Christmas special with Matt Smith which is a clever time traveling take on A Christmas Carol.  It's also worth watching, one of the better Christmas specials IMO, but easy to miss since it's nowhere to be found on Netflix.


Posted by: Tom Z at June 28, 2011 08:04 AM (Wl/F3)

71 There was another companion that I thought was pretty hot too.  I think her name was Leela, the warrior chick the Doctor picked up from a primitive planet.  She wore that leather outfit most of the time, but could rock a shiv or a bow'n'arrow.  She ended up with some Gallifreyan soldier when she left the show.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 08:06 AM (GQ8sn)

72 Also note there is a 2010 Christmas special with Matt Smith which is a clever time traveling take on A Christmas Carol.

They always have the Christmas specials.  I liked that one with Matt Smith, but I really enjoyed the Titanic one simply because I have a hardon for Kylie Minogue.  She's dressed as a maid/servant girl in that special which is a bonus too.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 08:08 AM (GQ8sn)

73 Count me among those who haven't been won over by Matt Smith. I think he's a fine actor, but I also think he's clearly a young man in his late twenties and not a 900+ year old Time Lord.

That's not a slam on him, either, really. I'm sympathetic. He is, after all, a young man in his late twenties. It takes an exceptional actor to be able to convey wisdom beyond his years. I just don't think he's got it. He's not The Doctor.

Posted by: Kensington at June 28, 2011 08:12 AM (uaEZS)

74 74 Count me among those who haven't been won over by Matt Smith. I think he's a fine actor, but I also think he's clearly a young man in his late twenties and not a 900+ year old Time Lord.

Have you noticed how the actors playing the Doctor all seem to be trending younger and younger with each regeneration?  First was Eccleston, then Tennant, and now Smith.  The next Doctor is going to be a 14 year old kid.  He's going to pick his next companion at the Whorehouses of Eroticon 6.

Posted by: EC at June 28, 2011 08:16 AM (GQ8sn)

75 The next Doctor is going to be a 14 year old kid.  He's going to pick his next companion at the Whorehouses of Eroticon 6.

I'd watch!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 28, 2011 08:18 AM (usXZy)

76 -Thanks trying Blakes 7!
-Is season Dr season 17 even out on DVD cant find it anywhere... for ummm, acquisition.


I was thinking we may abandon the show when they introduced Matt Smith, they kept presenting him as a Dr Who for Bieber type fans.  Fortunately he won me over in the first episode with young Amy Pond when he was trying out the food and at this point he actually is my more favorite of all the 2005+ Doctors.

That weflare state BS was more annoying at the time, since its now predictabley exploding in their faces,  now every-time they watch it I feel joy that they have to cringe.  I mean they grew their bureaucracy so giant that healthcare-education keeps getting shrunk just to feed the machine they thought they could enslave! Ha Ha Ha, their machine enslaved them!  That story alone is better then any Dr Who episode.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 28, 2011 08:51 AM (mLAWK)

77 ^apologies for awful writing, too many things at once.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 28, 2011 09:07 AM (mLAWK)

78 Two episodes you gave short shrift to deserve more attention:

"Waters of Mars" is an excellent story as pure sci-fi, like classic Arthur C. Clarke.  There's no companion, the Doctor shows up just before humanity's first Mars base is about to be destroyed, and he's Not Supposed to Interfere, but... What's cool is that the commander of the base (played by a well-known British actress) is actually the lead of this story; the time-traveler could have been anybody. Worth your time.

"Planet of the Dead" starts slow but is worthwhile for featuring Michelle Ryan (best known to USA viewers as the miscast "Bionic Woman") who's very easy on the eyes.  Story also features "UNIT", the special-forces group with whom the Doctor once served many years ago, and the interaction b/t the Doctor and the people on the stranded London bus (including Ryan's "Lady Christina") is worth the wait. Ryan was actually auditioned as the new companion for Tennant when "Rose" left the show, but was passed over for your "hubba hubba" girl.

Lighten up, dude.

Posted by: WildWillyC at June 28, 2011 09:47 AM (TjOL+)

79 Norman, River Song is a lot more than a companion. They show that in "Silence in the Library" and build up more and more about her. You learn a *lot* about her in the last ep of this current season.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 28, 2011 10:14 AM (MyByM)

80 If you get into Torchwood, the Face of Bo may possibly mean more.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 28, 2011 10:17 AM (MyByM)

81

You must be talking about the "new" Doctor Who series. I've tried to watch that dreck but it just doesn't hold a candle to the classic Doctor Who. Any episode with the third doctor (Jon Pertwee) or the fourth doctor (Tom Baker) in particular, renders the new Doctor Who unwatchable. The new series, IMO, sucks.

 Yeah, the effects were ubber cheesy but the stories were great, compared to the new series. I've tried hard to like the new series, but everytime I watch, or rather, TRY to watch one I get hopelessly bored and reach for a classic Doctor Who episode.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at June 28, 2011 10:59 AM (2wX4l)

82 I was an old school Tom Baker fan and kinda gave the new Doctor a pass, but decided to give it another go. I took the "Blink" episode suggestion and yeah, that was a very well done Time Travel story.

Posted by: whamodyne at June 28, 2011 12:05 PM (Yk5Jc)

83 lallee was a great dr who side-kick {#4]
she had a / wore a tiny  fur bikini and  always was
quick with the knife
 she was a stabber
very hot


Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 12:30 PM (FduBR)

84 what was the one with the drug
Mandrax?
it was a drug smuggling operation and the pilot got high and everybody was high
like woodstock/without the mud and smelly hippies

Posted by: mike pitts at June 28, 2011 12:37 PM (FduBR)

85 This latest season is awful. Nothing makes any sense. 11 isn't emo like 10 but he's crazy and he acts like he's 12 or something.

Posted by: Emily at June 28, 2011 02:32 PM (b0LKF)

86 re: comment 40

Oh, I have to de-lurk for this (second comment in three years?)...

Torchwood wasn't campy?  So you consider cyber chicks in metal bikinis having fights with a pterodactyl to be serious art?   The first two series of Torchwood had little participation from Russell T. Davies because he was busy focusing on "The Sarah Jane Adventures."  It was only when he returned his attention for "Torchwood:  Children of Earth" that the nihilism won out.  Torchwood was certainly dark in its first two series, but it was balanced with classic Whovian cheeze.

"Excuse me. Have you seen a blowfish driving a sportscar?" That line never gets old...

The only thing this "Torchwood: Miracle Day" thing on Starz has in common with the BBC series is two characters and the title.  Despite the "it's SO GAY" reputation, the BBC version's gay characters kissed and cut away.  Straight characters were seen in bed together, having orgasms, etc... Ironically, the US version is going to have actual man-on-man action, including full frontal. So much for our reputation as a puritanical country, eh?

Lastly, seconding the general consensus from a few others that Moffat's "Sherlock" is teh awesome.  Moffat wrote Captain Jack's debut ("The Empty Child"), and Jack got his own series.  Hoping to see the same for River Song, eventually.  She's Jack without the emo man!pain.

Posted by: Tina at June 28, 2011 04:41 PM (UUlHp)

87

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Posted by: chaeli at June 28, 2011 05:54 PM (Oir6w)

88 No, she's not. Fer cryin' out loud, River Song is the TV version of one of the many annoying Dr Who novel series characters - the horrible Dr. Bernice Summerfield. You couldn't pay me to read a novel with her in it, and you can't pay me to watch a TV iteration with even more of her annoying features.

I always used to be glad that I wasn't born in time to remember the worst bits of the 1970's, but man, we're working on making these days pretty dire, too.

Posted by: Maureen at June 28, 2011 06:08 PM (BB7+i)

89 Agree totally that the current season sucks, with the exception of the Neil Gaiman episode (but even that had a huge "Weird Science" vibe to it).  At least it didn't have the big fat continuity errors that the Pirate episode did. Even my 11 year old caught mistakes in that one. I'm in the minority here apparently since I can't stand Karen Gillan - her attempts at acting consist of widening her eyes. And much as I love Alex Kingston, the whole "hello sweetie" thing with a Doctor 20 years her junior has never worked for me. (Besides, 10 was supposed to be the youngest River had ever seen him, and passing that off as in Doctor years just isn't how that line reads since she was pawing him at the time.)

Posted by: Quisp at June 29, 2011 03:11 AM (VfzyL)

90 The only good espisodes are the Tom Baker episodes.

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