1 "Yeah, they stink on ice."

2 The peasants are revolting!
Tell me something I don't know. I knew the soap tax was a bad idea.

3 I would like to start seeing the Pub's go for the throat.  Start sending out mail with each addressee's portion of the debt and what there grandkids will be paying for this month.

4 There their they're - whatever

5 I would like to start seeing the Pub's go for the throat.

I'm way ahead of you!

6 Monty has the keys to the blog and is running amok! Somebody has to stop him before someone cries!

7 Then why are the repubs always backing down.  I don't get it.  When are independents going to get angry?

8 2 The peasants are revolting!
Tell me something I don't know. I knew the soap tax was a bad idea.

Was that from History of the World Part I"?

9 Yeah, the knuckleheads are rising up, cutting programs for the poor, while stuffing trillions into the pockets of finance capitalists,  and fighting for the right of corporations never to pay taxes.

Monty, I'm sure you must ask yourself: "why am I such a stupid knucklehead cocksucker?" you should read your own posts for the answer.

10 1 "Yeah, they stink on ice."

It's good to be the king, huh Dave?

11 The moment Obama starts talking about entitlements, he's deader than Generalissimo Francisco Franco. Can't wait for Wednesday.

12 Mo-NAY....Mo-NAY...

13 Yeah, jackstraw, knucklehead hate entitlements, except for their own, which they like just fine.

Government, hands off my Medicare!

Fucking knuckleheads.

14 eggmcuffin is calling unemployed blacks 'knuckleheads.'

15 Monty, I'm sure you must ask yourself: "why am I such a stupid knucklehead cocksucker?" you should read your own posts for the answer. What? I can't hear you over the sound of my own AWESOME. Your troll-fu is weak, grasshopper. You must remain on the Shaolin temple grounds until your japes can make Insult Master Ho weep like a little girl. Only then can you leave.

16 Everything's so greeeeennn.....

17 Erg is posting? Now thats revolting.

18 eggmcmuffin: Monty is wrong but he doesn't even know *why* he's wrong!

19 But how will our fellow citizens start getting pummeled with full-throttled lies and demagoguery from the Dems about how spending cuts will throw grandma out of the nursing home? They've only just begun to use their arsenal of scare tactics.

20 erggie your tears of rage make my joy all the greater. Viva Chavez, comrade!!

21 Everyone notice how quickly the Dims STFU on gun issues when the NRA appeared to awaken.  They haven't mentioned it in weeks.

22 That's right Dems defend capital hill to the last man. This is the one to die on. Massive spending for entitlements, massive taxes, huge, bloated, all powerful intrusive, government. It's only a few thousand peasants. You can take them!!  For glory! For Taxes! For Government! Stand tall on that little big hill!!!  TO THE LAST MAN I SAY!

23  Mo-NAY....Mo-NAY...

Posted by: Count De Monet at April 11, 2011 12:56 PM (Q1lie)

Hey, that's my line.  Don't get saucy with me!

24 Obama violated the boiling frog rule.  For years the Progressives has gradually pulled the American People down the path to socialism and slowly increasing the size and expense of government.  However, the Stimulus packages and Obamacare were so huge, involving such a large debt number that even the most disinterested prole woke up. Obama threw the frog in boiling water and it wants to jump out.

25 I could hav sworn Monty just said he was single on the last post - is erg playing with blowup dolls again?

26 19 That should read, "How will they react...?" I honestly have little faith in the American Idol crowd to reject the spin by Begala & co., but maybe this time will be different.

27

Erg is so full of originality. "Knucklehead" is his best barb. _ouch

Erg is the poster boy for use(less) idiot.

28

Hey, that's my line.  Don't get saucy with me!

Posted by: Count de Monet (The real one) at April 11, 2011 01:00 PM (XBM1t)

I don't like your cuffs.

29 Monty has the keys to the blog Hey, if the rest of the cob-loggers want to get drunk on peach schnapps, spend the wee hours singing Captain and Tenille tunes, and then sleeping the day away, all I can say is... ...that I'm deeply pained not to have been invited to the party. It cuts me. It cuts me deep.

30

Slightly off topic- When an administration lacky like Pluffer the fluffer keeps repeating 'Winning the Future' why doesn't Chris Wallace or someone ask 'Are you plugging Newt's book titled 'Winning the Future' since you keep repeating it.'

Another thing, why in the hell is Ø waiting until this Wed. to show some cuts, WTF didn't he do that a month ago in his budget????? The MFM let these punks just get away with amazing crap!

31

I don't like your cuffs.

Posted by: Bernaise at April 11, 2011 01:02 PM (Q1lie)

Okay, now gotta clean the screen.

32 I never had peach schnapps, but I got really drunk on peppermint once. Burped mint for two days. Cured me.

33

Government Accountability Board and Milwaukee County district attorney's office has scheduled a news conference Monday afternoon to discuss the results of a "significant investigation."

No details were given about the investigation.

The news conference is scheduled at 2 p.m.

HA@

addendum, they are saying it doesn't have to do with prosser v. klopper?

34 The second development was House Budget Committee chairman Paul RyanÂ’s unveiling of his budget resolution. Ryan did what President ObamaÂ’s fiscal commission did in December but what Obama himself signally failed to do in his budget in February: address the long-term unsustainability of entitlements, specifically Medicare and Medicaid.

Obama's budget INCREASED spending by 300 billion. Remember when the Dem/MFM meme was "triangulation to the center"?  They kept repeating that after the Dems got taken to the cleaners in Nov.

However, as we all predicted then, it was nothing but empty rhetoric. Every time Obama opens his maw a lie pukes out. He is now talking about "fiscal responsibility".

That is Democrat shorthand for a tax increase. Let's make sure that the spineless Republicans don't compromise us into a tax hike to avoid another "shutdown threat" over the 2012 budget.

35 Hey, if the rest of the cob-loggers want to get drunk on peach schnapps, spend the wee hours singing Captain and Tenille tunes, and then sleeping the day away, all I can say is...

..Posted by: Monty at April 11, 2011 01:02 PM (4Pleu)

Another Gabe Malor party?

36 Which one is erg?

37 Yeah, the knuckleheads...

Nope. He doesn't need any; he's good. As a matter of fact, make a note: we need to bump up the stupid on everyone else since he's going to be out there.

38 I was listening to left wing hate radio this morning and they have a new target: Paul Ryan. This is what they have on Ryan: he's "stupid," and he's a "goofball," and he's "not courageous; he's a coward," and Ryan is "being paid by the right wing Koch brothers." ...this is who we're losing to...

39 Obama Puts Taxes on the Table

"In his speech Wednesday, Mr. Obama will use himself as an example to make the case for raising taxes on the wealthy, while preserving those for the middle class. 'People like him, as he'll say, who've been very fortunate in life, have the ability to pay a little bit more,' Mr. Plouffe said."

40 Republicans are "killing workers' rights." That's the latest trend with the Left: always use the word "kill" or "killing" when describing what the Republicans are doing.

41 That is Democrat shorthand for a tax increase. Let's make sure that the spineless Republicans don't compromise us into a tax hike to avoid another "shutdown threat" over the 2012 budget.

Hey, I pledge to get $100 billion in cuts next time.  And I'll give each and every one of you a solid gold toilet.

What, you don't believe me because I said that before?  You purists just don't get politics.

*sniff*

42 Was that from History of the World Part I"? Nope. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

43 Where are all these stupid trolls coming from?

Worried about bailing out banks you freakin idiot?  That was the damn Dems and Obama who did that. Worried about bailing out auto companies? Again the Dems did it.

44

I don't like your cuffs.

Posted by: Bernaise at April 11, 2011 01:02 PM (Q1lie)

Why do you stand so close and observe when I call the piss boy over, ya poufter?

45 Was that from History of the World Part I"?

That would have been Mel Brooks introducing the fifteen -- crash -- um, ten Commandments from God.

46 38 Which one is erg?

Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 11, 2011 01:05 PM (iYwUw)

the one that can get all of Toonces' cock in his mouth.

47 So when was the last time President Present paid extra in taxes? After all, he says he can afford it, so why hasn't he?

48

Miss80's , I cannot understand why the Obama gvt. does not send out donation envelopes To all of his committed backers and Those that are demanding rich folks cough it up.

Dear Mr . Moore.

   We  have heard you are very concerned about the status of the poor and needy, and their hope of Needed Health care. Here is an pre-paid , self addressed envelope.

Regards the Compassionate I.R.S.

etc.. heh

49

and this is just finishing of the 2011 budget the dems never had any intention of doing.

it will be easier to grade rebulicans when they can do there own budget start to finish.

which would ordinarily start now but.....

we are still doing last year incrementally

as pontus pilate would say, "let me wash my hands"

50

hahaha...don't matter how many times I watch that Python bit, I LMAO.

"moistened bint"  thats classic! 

51 That would have been Mel Brooks introducing the fifteen -- crash -- um, ten Commandments from God. Clip here.

52 That is Democrat shorthand for a tax increase. Let's make sure that the spineless Republicans don't compromise us into a tax hike to avoid another "shutdown threat" over the 2012 budget.

Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2011 01:04 PM (M9Ie6)

 

Don't think that's going to happen.  Rush just talked about the fact that enough Tea Party  repubs in the House may vote no on the latest CR to kill Boehner's weekend budget "victory".  I can only hope.

53 Yeah, Monty. Heres the party you missed, and the reason Ace & Co. couldn't make it.

54 I'm not a peasant; this is MY country, not theirs

Because they've forgotten that, ( as they say in that Guy Ritchie movie )

ALL BETS ARE OFF

and I can still see Harper's Ferry from my house.  Civil War 2.0, here we come

how's that for DOOM, Monty ?????

55 Rush just talked about the fact that enough Tea Party  repubs in the House may vote no on the latest CR to kill Boehner's weekend budget "victory".

That article about the four freshman Republicans from SC that Kemp linked to earlier said that all four of them plan to vote no on that. One of them is my Representative so I will have to send him a nice e-mail as opposed to the hate e-mails I constantly send to Grahamnasty.

56 Monty, Best I can tell, the "historic" budget cuts slowed our financial demise by about 3 days (three days interest on current debt). Is my math about right?

57 so, yeah, they've moved their sights from Michelle Bachmann to Paul Ryan. Ryan is the new face of the evil and stupid Republican party.

58 40 I was listening to left wing hate radio this morning and they have a new target: Paul Ryan.

This is what they have on Ryan: he's "stupid," and he's a "goofball," and he's "not courageous; he's a coward," and Ryan is "being paid by the right wing Koch brothers." [...]

Al Hunt also said Ryan is a racist and the MFM has played the evil, fascist, hateful and spiteful cards, among others. But they have no proof of any of these accusations; it's just true because they said so.

59 Where are all these stupid trolls coming from?

Election season is starting. Remember by this time in 2007, all major candidates (Except teh fred) had declared, and had began campaigning. The big engine on the left is starting to spin up. Trolls will become both more common and (hopefully) smarter as the campaign for big socialism gets its gears moving again and the recruiting outlets start funneling efforts into managing the message; an adjunct of which is assaulting conservative online forums, in an attempt to discredit them.

Our job as commenters is to expose their fallacy, stupidity, and avarice toward freedom when they pop up. Which they, at least at this point, don't make incredibly hard. 

The blog team needs to make sure if a troll takes a poo in a thread, like CJ followers are known to do, it gets cleaned up lickity split.

60

Meh...Micheal Barone has nowhere near the gravitas as Pat Caddell.

 

61

For delicious and plentiful prog tears, check out DKos and the post "Ignore This Mr. President"  H.L. Mencken is mentioned in the comments.  Had to keep telling myself I wasn't on AOSHQ.

Schadenfreudenbonerrific.

62

"...get drunk on peach schnapps, spend the wee hours singing Captain and Tenille tunes, and then sleeping the day away..."

 

so that's what happens at those Moron Meetups... very interesting.

63 yep, just smears on Ryan. They don't even bother talking about his plan. They just mock and insult Ryan.

64 >>>Micheal Barone has nowhere near the gravitas as Pat Caddell. serious?

65

45--ah, hahahahhaa; good stuff

66 and I just mailed the IRS a ridiculously huge check, after having ridiculously huge amounts of Mrs Stan ( as well as the Stan juniors' ) and my incomes already seized throughout last year

I'm mad as hell............

I pay for these assholes to keep robbing me and trying to ruin my country.  I'm very tired, very perturbed.............

We can / should make Cold Harbor look like a Sunday picnic

67 52 Miss80's , I cannot understand why the Obama gvt. does not send out donation envelopes To all of his committed backers and Those that are demanding rich folks cough it up. [...]

It would be interesting to send a letter to the WH pretending to be a concerned liberal demanding that the Admin. do just that.

68 Ryan is the new face of the evil and stupid Republican party.

The difference being that Ryan is (a little) more articulate than Michelle Bachman.  That's a really dumb move, on their part, as long as Ryan remains relatively unflappable.

I'd also love to hear him respond to President Obama's "Rich people can afford to pay more," with, "Yes, Mr. President, they can.  And nothing is stopping you from voluntarily cutting a check to the United States Government to fund part of our government over and above your statutorily required taxes.  However, their is no moral reason to confiscate more wealth from the people of this nation- living within our means does not mean raising taxes, it means cutting spending."

69 And here's the "the peasants are revolting" line from History of the World:

The Peasants are Revolting

70 Huh, Gregerg is awake early.  Figured he's still be comatose from the stupor he'd inevitably have drank or smoked or injected or whatevs into after getting Prossered last week.  Oh well, guess he wants his return to the abuse trough early...

71 If the Republicans were smart and savvy, which they're not, they'd respond to Obama's stupid speech on taxes by asking if Charlie Rangel is getting a waiver? How about Sebelius? Geithner? Tom Daschle? Al Franken?

72 I think Ryan will handle all attacks from the left without breaking a sweat. They have bile, but he is carrying a Browning .50. Not a match.

73
Worried about bailing out banks you freakin idiot?  That was the damn Dems and Obama who did that. Worried about bailing out auto companies? Again the Dems did it.
Posted by: Vic
---------------
Actually, that was Bush (and Obama later) on both counts, Vic..  so, unless this is some attempt at humor...

74

the one that can get all of Toonces' cock in his mouth.  - Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at April 11, 2011 01:11 PM (6IReR)

I would have thought that Toonces' member was so small - even when fully engaged - that ANYONE could....

*hastily leaves for bathroom*

Sorry about that -

Hey, Joe, where can I get some of that Clorox Brain Bleach you were hawking a few minutes ago?

75 Posted by: willow at April 11, 2011 01:04 PM (h+qn

Word is it's got something to do with a contributor to the Walker campaign for gov.  A railroad exec had people contribute and reimbursed them.  Walker's campaign apparently returned the money.  The man who did it is facing felony charges.  That's from @melchert on twitter.

76 "In his speech Wednesday, Mr. Obama will use himself as an example to make the case for raising taxes on the wealthy, while preserving those for the middle class. 'People like him, as he'll say, who've been very fortunate in life, have the ability to pay a little bit more,' Mr. Plouffe said."

Somebody remind Mr. Plouffe to EXPLAIN (not merely comment on, or evade) :

1. Big 0's acquisition of his house in Chicago ... via Tony Rezko ...

2. Big 0's tuition, living expenses, etc. while at Columbia and Harvard ... or shall we wait for Trump's people to reveal all?

3. Big Mo (chelle's) pay raise ... 192% in one year ... for a job so tough, so critical ... that is has gone unfilled since she left, as there seems to be no one to fill it ...

When I can get my wealth 0's way, then I'll be able to pay more.

77 Ryan's no pushover; I'm not worried about him. The question is: will the rest of the Republicans have Ryan's back, or will they run for cover?

78 57 Don't think that's going to happen.  Rush just talked about the fact that enough Tea Party  repubs in the House may vote no on the latest CR to kill Boehner's weekend budget "victory".  I can only hope.

From what I'm reading, McCarthy has enough cross-over votes that he doesn't need 218 from his side. It would also be foolish to kill a deal Wednesday when they'll begin the process of voting on the 2012 budget Thursday. Besides, what's the point? Do they expect Boehner to go back and negotiate a better deal? because I've heard most of them say they don't think they can get better. These are also the same people who demanded a deal to begin with, so they shouldn't have asked for a deal to prevent a shutdown if they didn't really want it. Rep. Bachmann, I'm looking at you.

79 "Actually, that was Bush (and Obama later) on both counts, Vic..  so, unless this is some attempt at humor..."

I've long thought that Bush's last 2 years in office was an attempt at humor myself.

80 Boehners deal doesn't distress me. It was mearly an opening shot. The real banzi charge is still in the works. There is only so much you can do with the Demotards still in charge of the Senate and White House. I am willing to give him a little slack in this.

81 84The question is: will the rest of the Republicans have Ryan's back, or will they run for cover?

Odds are they will put one in his back. My Q is, how hard will Ryan fight for his own plan, once he figures out that Speaker Cryin John is not fully onboard?

82 Monty, I saw company this weekend with Neil Patrick Harris, Stephen Colbert, Patti Lupone and the plimpton lady on "raising hope"....one of my favorite shows when I can watch it. 

Monty, you can't not find your soul mate.  I mean you are so interesting and such a lovely person, it's downright terrible to think you are not married!

83 84 Ryan's no pushover; I'm not worried about him.

The question is: will the rest of the Republicans have Ryan's back, or will they run for cover?

I've been wondering that myself. The Budget Committee overwhelming supports him and so do many of his fellow RSC members, but he only ever received 13 co-sponsors for his Roadmap because they said it was "radical". A number of moderate and liberal reps have been complaining to The Hill and Politico that they think they'll lose the election over this budget. So I'm worried that they'll scatter instead of realizing they have a chance if they actually explain this.

84 I think that boehner and ryan will get screwed by their own side led by mcshame and miss lindsey and anyone not a freshman.

But ryan already said that he doesn't mind if this is the hill he dies on, cause he is a patriot.

85 The man who did it is facing felony charges.  That's from @melchert on twitter.

Posted by: Theresa D at April 11, 2011 01:25 PM (2hQbY)

Thank you for informatiom.

86 71
>>>Micheal Barone has nowhere near the gravitas as Pat Caddell.

serious?

Posted by: Sunday Soothsayer with extra nuts at April 11, 2011 01:21 PM (uFokq)

 

I was refering to this and other occasions, where Pat unwields his might hammer.

http://tinyurl.com/3phm7au

 

87 Civil War 2.0, here we come

You're too much of an optimist. Think more French Revolution.

88 The race card is worn out. The "It's for the children" card  has been shown for the lie that it is. Public unions are walking around with a Large Barbed Cock of Economic DOOM stuck in their ass. ACORN is hiding under a rock somewhere. Their electoral platform of lies is thoroughly exposed.
 
What is left but to now play the class warfare card. It's really about the last arrow in their shriveled quiver. My three year olds made the same argument -- It's not fair! I want the toy that he is playing with.
 

89 48

I don't like your cuffs.

Posted by: Bernaise at April 11, 2011 01:02 PM (Q1lie)

Why do you stand so close and observe when I call the piss boy over, ya poufter?

"Your majesty, you look like the lowly piss boy"

90

Tangentially related... ok... not really related at all:

Arab League is calling for a no-fly zone over Gaza leaving palis free to bombard Israel with impunity.

My bet is that Barry will resist this for all he's worth.

Riiigggghhhhtttt.

91

oh, and this

http://tinyurl.com/3wcv38p

 

92 #97 "Arab League is calling for a no-fly zone over Gaza leaving palis free to bombard Israel with impunity."

If the USA stayed disengaged, that would be fun to watch.
"Back in the day" we used to train with the Israelis.

NAS Miramar -- home of Top Gun.
Israelis won about half the time.

93 If the talking heads claim that 2012 is such a big deal, then why are they causing so much trouble? Outside of Boehner, I have yet to hear a House member who's completely happy about the deal*,  but wallowing does no good. It is a sad truth that there are no do-overs in politics, and slamming Obama for a do-over budget while wanting a do-over for the House is hypocritical. Best to learn from it and move quickly because Obama is now playing catch-up. What happens if we're largely still squabbling while Obama has eclipsed us? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

_{*The Conference Chair (Rep. Hensarling) even said that Congress deserves to be tarred and feathered.}

94

Joe, the spam has more originality than erg. I mean, at least the spambot rotates where it places the line for Nike Shoes occassionally.

Heh.  Ergie, he just can't get no respect.

*yanks at collar*

95 Gas is $3.89/gal here in our area, usually a moderate-priced market, and it ain't even Easter yet.  Jumped .24 since yesterday.

Recovery....right.  That little lefty pipe dream is dead.

CBS News already did a story on the radio this morning about how gas consumption has dropped.  Growth will follow, along with hiring.

Rock on, Barry.

96 the big headline on fox is that the WH attacks Ryan's budget.  I'm so hoping they pull a "bait and switch" to that paul guy's budget at the last minute.

And they can't raise the debt ceiling.  timmy has to come up with a plan to do it without raising the debt ceiling.

97 Yeah, the knuckleheads are rising up, cutting programs for the poor, while stuffing trillions into the pockets of finance capitalists

Woot!  All hail the DNC.

98 So fox says the US Court of Appeals ruled against the AZ immigration law.

so, next stop, the Supremes?

and then what? 

99 Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 11, 2011 01:41 PM (G/MYk)

Don't get me wrong.  I respect Bachman.  But I've heard her put her foot in her mouth even on shows like Hannity's.  Not often, not badly, but it happens.  I've never heard Rep. Ryan do such a thing.  If that's just because he's a complete budget wonk, and knows it better than Monty knows his DOOM! Kittehs, well... okay.  I don't care why it is.

I tend to think that Rep. Bachman would make a better Presidential Candidate (if that's the comparison we're making) because she does seem more "well rounded" in her areas of discussion.

At the present time, however, I think that Rep. Ryan is a far more unassailable "face" of the Tea Party.

100 and then what?
Posted by: curious at April 11, 2011 01:47 PM (k1rwm)

And then Arizona commissions its first Sanctuary Cities.

101

Arab League is calling for a no-fly zone over Gaza

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber

 

I'm already on that.

102 101 That's not true, Allen.  Bachmann has never had any problems defending her positions....

He's never had any problem defending his positions, and he talks about more than just economics. Some people paint him as solely being a fiscal and monetary guy, but he has more expertise than that. He was also also talking about entitlement reform 2yrs before President Bush proposed SS reform, and he put-forward his Roadmap and a separate health-care plan several years ago.

Bachmann has guts.  She's also smart and generally quick on her feet....

I'm not sure why the implication that he's somehow not as smart as he is when they're both equally intelligent. They're also both fast on their feet and Ryan has argued his points with Obama himself on several occasions. Remember the ObamaCare Summit and the Republican Retreat?

Also, I frankly have to say I'm disappointed that Rep. Bachmann was for a deal before she was against it, the same way I was upset with Ryan over the auto-bailouts. With both it was/is more a matter of getting reelected than anything else.

103 Who is fooled by a few tens of billions, when the problem is ten trillion?

Beohner and his deal is a scam.

104 Countdown til Ryan is smeared as a child molester or something ....

105 Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 11, 2011 01:52 PM (G/MYk)

Inasmuch as one of the defining lynch pins of the Tea Party movement is "less spending" I'd say that Rep. Ryan is a face of the Tea Party.

Ultimately, though, what you or I think about the issue (whether he is a Tea Partier or not) doesn't matter: he'll be used as a face for the Tea Party, because the left can't help but use Alinsky tactics (...personalize it...) and he's the most visible person, at the moment, to be opposing the Dems.

106 114 Anyone who even thought it a good idea to attend that summit was crossed off my list.  That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, and those attending it did nothing but help Barky one more time - as some of us had tried, tried, tried to warn them.  But the GOP, once again, was too scared of looking like "extremists" for not negotiating with a terrorist retard.

So he delivered a scathing rebuke of Obama to his face and got the middle finger but it doesn't count in your book because he shouldn't have attended?

107 Posted by: tarpon at April 11, 2011 01:53 PM (g0QB

Maybe, maybe not.  There wasn't much hope of fixing anything for FY11.  I'd hoped for bigger cuts, but I'm not surprised (at all) that we didn't get them.  On the other hand, as some have pointed out in various op-eds over the weekend and today, the Dems came off looking like the ones playing politics this time.

By Reid claiming that the Republicans were angling for a shut down- in spite of the CR offer- he was basically saying that Planned Parenthood was such a sacred cow that it was more important than a functioning government (yes, I know a shut-down wouldn't have affected much: that wasn't his claim, though, and he got caught by his own cleverness).  That didn't play very well, so the "deal."  And remember that it was more than what they'd originally offered, so that's better than what we normally get.

The question, as others have said, is FY12.  How that plays out means a lot more than this FY11 battle.

108 You guys are missing the point.  Next on the agenda is the debt ceiling vote....

then the budget.

If they don't make it through the debt ceiling vote, why bother with a budget?

109

I'm already on that.

Posted by: Iron Dome at April 11, 2011 01:51 PM (6rX0K)

That's impossible (I know that because Barry said it was impossible.)

Healer of planet - receder of oceans - yada, yada...

he should know.

110 Both Rep. Bachmann and Rep. Ryan are members of the Republican Study Committee (RSC), which was essentially Tea Party before there was a Tea Party.

111 Looking at Ryan on the "On the Issues" site he is fairly conservative on most issues.

He IS a lot better than any of the NE liberal Repubs like Romney.

In fact comparing his "graph" on there to Michelle Bachman he is further to the right than she is. That was a real eye opener for me.

112 The Obamacare summit was worth it for the in-your-face talking-to that Paul Ryan gave Obama.

113 ;">11 The moment Obama starts talking about entitlements, he's deader than Generalissimo Francisco Franco.

"It's just a flesh wound.  Tis but a scratch...really.  I've had worse"

114 121 You guys are missing the point.  Next on the agenda is the debt ceiling vote....

then the budget.

If they don't make it through the debt ceiling vote, why bother with a budget?


The official vote on adopting the 2012 budget is Friday. Also, Congress is obligated under the 1974 Budget Act to provide a budget. They can ignore the rules regarding that all they want-- like the Dems did-- but it would be highly irresponsible.

115

And Ryan didn't do jack, there.  All he did was contribute, stupidly, to the reanimation of ObamaCare and its eventual passage.

Posted by: iknowtheleft
--------
You must be living in some alternate reality universe!

116 They can ignore the rules regarding that all they want-- like the Dems did-- but it would be highly irresponsible.

If one side ignores the rules without repercussions and the other side follows them, one side is being stupid.

And it's not the cheaters.

117 124 ...And Ryan didn't do jack, there.  All he did was contribute, stupidly, to the reanimation of ObamaCare and its eventual passage.

How on Earth did you arrive at that conclusion? He demonstrated that the bill is a fiscal house of cards, that Obama was crooked and a liar, was refusing to listen to the American people, etc., and that's somehow a contribution to the passage of ObamaCare? I think he played a large part in exposing that bill for what it was and that's why that particular discussion received the attention it did.

118 The key difference between Bachmann and Ryan is that she is "all-or-nothing' and he's "pick your poison". Otherwise, they mostly agree when it comes to the issues and what government ought to look like. Both have particular strengths and weaknesses but I think they complement each other; they are not polar opposites.

119 133 Oy.  Just attending a summit to discuss a DEAD bill contributed to its reanimation.

How difficult is this to understand?

I think people wanted to pretend it was dead but President Obama was going to shove it through by whatever means necessary. Using your argument, I could also say that Rep. Bachmann helped resurrect the bill by speaking-out against it at the time, but I don't believe she did.

120 Oh piss boy, bring me my lace wig!

121

The Shot Heard Round the World and As Far Away As New Hampshire Even.

Oy.  Just attending a summit to discuss a DEAD bill contributed to its reanimation.

How difficult is this to understand?

Mostly because it's nonsense, that's how. 

 

122 I've never understood why I have to choose between two lawmakers who both seem to be patriots but part ways on tactics.

123 I don't like Ryan's budget.  I like Ryan.  but I've never liked his budget but around here people say that "the committee" has put together that budget. 

Ask yourself this "If BO put forward Ryan's budget, honestly, what would you be saying about it?

this is why "iknowtheleft" is annoyed with Ryan.  Not one of them were willing to challenge obamacare.   they allowed themselves to be locked out of the process.  Heck since we now know there are no repercussions for running away for a vote, they could have at least tried to run away.  They didn't cause they wanted BO care.  why did they want obamacare?  Cause it is more of a money bill than a health care bill.  All it does is mess up our healthcare system.  I can't figure out if anyone benefits from it at all, except maybe hospital corporations and Big Pharma and the folks who want single payor within a socialist state.  But remember, in a socialist state the elite would remain exactly where they are under capitalism, it would only affect the peasants.  Did you not watch all the planes taking off when the peasants revolted? and that is why more and more independents are being created every day.

Paul's budget is better and it still doesn't go far enough.

124 Your troll-fu is weak, grasshopper. You must remain on the Shaolin temple grounds until your japes can make Insult Master Ho weep like a little girl. Only then can you leave.

Posted by: Monty at April 11, 2011 12:57 PM (4Pleu)

--OT, but speaking of shaolin, National Georgraphic has a great article this month about the shaolin monks.

125 141 I don't like Ryan's budget.  I like Ryan.  but I've never liked his budget but around here people say that "the committee" has put together that budget. 

The Budget Committee wrote the budget; that's one of their primary purposes. You can ask any of them and they will speak about their contributions. The Roadmap is solely Ryan's budget and Rand Paul's budget is also an individual budget; this isn't. If you read about the budget process and how they are put-together, you will see that they express what the particular party is willing to do. I'm sorry you won't accept that but it's fact.

Ask yourself this "If BO put forward Ryan's budget, honestly, what would you be saying about it?

Obama's budget is actually a budget put forward by his Administration, but he's complicit the same way Ryan would be complicit if he promoted such a budget. I also don't understand the bit about ObamaCare when it's both repealed and defunded in the 2012 budget. The story about the 6 slush-fund defunding bills-- including Rep. Bachmann's-- is over at Heritage for anyone to see. You can read the bills yourself.

126 "As the first panel to examine the PresidentÂ’s annual budget message, the Budget CommitteeÂ’s chief responsibility is to draft a concurrent resolution that reconciles spending details with the overall comprehensive budget package. The committee is required to draft a budget resolution, agreed to by April 15 of each year, which establishes total targets in five budget areas: authority; outlays; revenues; surplus or deficit; and public debt. The resolution also sets budget authority and outlay targets for each of the 21 spending categories. Although Congress originally planned to have two budget resolutions per year, the committee eventually eliminated the second resolution date because of the effectiveness of the reconciliation process. Finally, the committee prepares guidelines in the annual budget resolution for cutting programs to meet spending targets."

127

>> Nice to know how many people here think that holding summits for dead legislation is a great idea.  WTF?

It's nice to know idiotic assertions pass for arguments. 

If you believe Obamacare was dead you are wrong.  If you believe Ryan and other Republicans making arguments against it in a "for show" conference which further persuaded more Americans to hate the damned thing, instead somehow revived it and made it possible to pass, then we're at an impasse.  They were going to ram it through, even using the tortured "reconciliation" process to get it done over the objections of damned near 3/4s of the citizens.

I don't even understand how you draw that conclusion.  Did Republicans change their votes against it?  No.  Did it become suddenly more popular with a majority or even half of Americans?  No again.

What evidence do you have to support your claim?

 

128 Note it keeps saying "the committee". Now the chairman is in-charge of the process and gets to push his or her own vision, but the members are not forced to accept that. Ultimately, the committee writes the document as a team and they have to vote it out of committee before it gets sent to the House. It is his document more than it belongs to the rest of them, but they contributed and argued for what they wanted.

129 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 11, 2011 02:28 PM (uVLrI)

It's not that I won't accept the process, it's that I won't accept the fact that the budget seems to be fine if we weren't where we are financially.  We are on the edge of a cliff and they are slowly walking towards us instead of running to save us.

As regards BO care, they haven't done much.  Michelle Bachman is the only one out there saying that they have so protected the money going to it that it is impossible to de fund.  They can play at being adults all they want.  They are allowing BO care to go forward simply by being unable to prevent it.  This is very un American if you ask me.  Get things through being a better lawyer, through parsing, through deception and catching you opposition in check mate in a 5 dimensional chess game not realizing that the lives of real people are on the line? 

130

>>  They are allowing BO care to go forward simply by being unable to prevent it.

How is "being unable to prevent" a thing even remotely the same as "allowing " a thing?

Need a little help with that one.

131 Oh, piss boy!  Over here!

132 Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 11, 2011 02:18 PM (G/MYk)

Something killed it without me noticing? How did it die?

It was never dead. The Dems did a good job of hiding its substance from America, and then ramming it through congress. They beat us, we didn't beat ourselves (this time).

133

The peasants (this used very loosely) are revolting (also, used very loosely).

This has happened before...hmmm, let's see: when have the peasants (really)ever revolted (really) and wound up with anything really good for them?

The situation cannot stand; things do indeed need fixing -- however, it's always wise to note: there are inherent dangers in wanting everything fixed and fine "right now!".

134 Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 11, 2011 02:39 PM (WvXvd)

If you accept "unable to prevent" as a cover for "not allowing" then you arrive in a spot where you have your nice little excuse and can lie to yourself and say you don't have to do anything. 

Geez, Rush understands what I'm saying.  He jsut said "TRY HARDER"...

This is not "business as usual" yawn, this is a "think out of the box moment here"

Sure you can argue that there were death panels already as "your insurance won't cover that surgery mrs hoo ha" was being heard more than ever.  but now BO care sets them in stone and is slowly ruining the health care system.

try and get a doctor in Manhattan.  It's is almost impossible.  So where are you supposed to go when you are sick?  the hospital....another way BO care is "improving things" right?

135 148 It's not that I won't accept the process, it's that I won't accept the fact that the budget seems to be fine if we weren't where we are financially.  We are on the edge of a cliff and they are slowly walking towards us instead of running to save us.

The problem is that they can only interpret the will of the party, though they are allowed to prod here and there. But certain measures had to be okayed by either the leadership of the conference and that's just the way Boehner runs things. I didn't like what the leadership did here, but what's done is done. Budget wants legislation to address some of the things they didn't address as they're largely admitting it's a good first step but not good enough. Meanwhile, Senator Paul can say what he wants because he is not beholden to anyone. I still think he'd be slashing discretionary more aggressively than Paul Ryan if Ryan didn't have to answer to anyone but, here we are.

As regards BO care, they haven't done much.  Michelle Bachman is the only one out there saying that they have so protected the money going to it that it is impossible to de fund....

Well, they keep passing laws and passing laws and it looks like they're introducing another ObamaCare bill this week (in addition to the budget), but I don't really know what they can do. Bachmann's bill will receive a floor vote just like all the others. I also think Boehner got a pretty good deal when it comes to ObamaCare because they will now have more evidence as to it effects and they can also point to this up-or-down vote. But the only way to repeal and defund is to get Obama to sign that bill, and-- as it is his chief "accomplishment"-- he seems reluctant to do so. After all, the public rightfully hates this bill and he frankly doesn't care. To me, that says more about the Dems than the Rs.

136 I wish people would remember back to the emotional roller coaster we were on during this time.

then maybe you will remember how you guys were owned by your own party

137 So what is Rush's solution for repealing and de-funding ObamaCare with Reid and Obama still in-power? It's lovely to imagine a world in which they'd bill the beast but how does it work in practical terms?

138 I sometimes think the talking heads believe the ending of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington can be achieved, I really do. But while the libs are willing to give a little, they will never give anything. They are our enemies, pure and simple. I mean, look at it-- Obama is about to propose raising taxes two days before the 15th. He really doesn't give a damn.

139

157 Well, there is one tried and true method to get everything accomplished, defeated, and over with very quickly -- but I doubt very strongly that Mr. Limbaugh would be willing to mention it outright as it wouldn't exactly be thinking outside of the box in a necessarily good way, and I doubt very strongly that most people would be very happy about it (at least, I would hope very strongly that would be the case).

There's another method that has been tried in the past as well, and it usually doesn't end well either.

140

>> If you accept "unable to prevent" as a cover for "not allowing" then you arrive in a spot where you have your nice little excuse and can lie to yourself and say you don't have to do anything. Geez, Rush understands what I'm saying.  He jsut said "TRY HARDER"...

Wish harder.  I'll admit I hadn't considered that strategy.

>> So you were one of those folks telling the GOP they should attend the summit for a dead bill?

No, not on record with that, but at least now I understand part of your objection was that they showed up.  It just took you so long to explain it.

>> Sheesh.  The GOP attending a summit for ObamaCare was proof to the nation that it was, surprise!, not dead.  That was what revived it.  If your memory is that poor, then go back and read all the accounts around the time.

My memory is so fine I know that upwards of 70% opposed it, and well over half of that strongly opposed it.  You don't often see that level of political opposition to proposed legislation.

But they rammed it through anyway, knowing we didn't want it, not caring if we didn't want it, because it wasn't about healthcare it was about expanding the size scope and power of the government, and buying votes.  They were willing to lose in November and lose BIG for the longer term benefit, growing their power.

I know you know that, because you know the left.  You keep telling me so.

 

Perhaps on your home world attacking a bill vehemently somehow breathes life into its cold corpse in some amazing reanimation, but it rests on a flawed premise.  It was not dead.  It's silly to make that claim.  Unserious.  We could debate whether it was better to stay home or not, and I'm not sold either way, but the public perception for the bill during that process went from "we don't want this" to "goddamnit we fucking HATE this don't do it".  That can't be construed in any way as growing public support for it.

Unless "the voices" have convinced you otherwise.

141

ikl  is corrrect. As I recall it, O'care was a dead letter, with Scott Brown having just taken Teddy's seat. The GOP got invited to a televised summit, at which Barky filibustered; and he got a bounce in the polls for his efforts. There was a momentum shift in favor of the bill, and it squeaked through despite the Brown victory.

Participating in the "summit," done again out of FEAR, which is what motivates the GOP, turned out to have been a catastrophic tactical blunder.

I don't blame Ryan for the decision to participate, however. Lets see, who was in charge of the House GOP then?  I can't seem to recall his name.  Help me out, Miss 80s...

142

No, they took Brown's vote off the table with reconciliation. 

143 162 I don't blame Ryan for the decision to participate, however. Lets see, who was in charge of the House GOP then?  I can't seem to recall his name.  Help me out, Miss 80s...

I don't recall ever saying Boehner was a brilliant tactician, but I disagree with the statement that the bill was dead. We're talking about Obama back when he had more of the Chicago gang at his beck-&-call, thugs who are willing to do anything to get their way. They had already been talking about resurrecting the bill before that time and it was only a matter of time before they did. Besides, that debate also helped raise public awareness of the evils of ObamaCare and the public has never come to embrace it. So I'll end with this-- the belief that the ObamaCare summit caused ObamaCare to rise from the dead is based on post hoc ergo propter hoc.

144 160 I don't know about Rush, but that is what the CRs, 2011 budget, and debt-limit were for.  Of course, the GOP are too scared of their own shadows to use any of these to actually get anything done (as every GOP idiot I've heard lately is quick to say how they'd never not raise the debt limit) so we can just kiss these chances goodbye - the one that is left, that is

Claiming that the left would have bowed completely to our will because of a shutdown is an unknown and likely not correct. Wishful thinking is hurting the conservative movement.

As for the 2012 budget and the debt ceiling, I've heard some of their proposals about what they want to do and we shall see. I'm not going to be surprised if the leadership backs the appropriators and sells-out Budget for some of those votes, but I'm also not going to borrow trouble.

145

>> That was later.  It was Scott Brown's election that had finally killed the bill.

It most assuredly did not.  The Senate passed their version in a 60-39 vote in December of 2009.  Brown was sworn into office in Feb of 2010.  The House used "deem and pass" later that spring to accept the Senate version in order to avoid a Senate filibuster, the Senate simply had to pass the reconciliation in a simple majority vote.

All while public opposition to the bill steadily increased, it never reversed itself, including after the committee hearings.

But I get your message.  WISH HARDER! 

I think we can all get behind that.

146 How do you know that x caused y, especially when the Dems were going to push through the bill by any means? They had their marching orders, and it was to push-through ObamaCare at any cost. So I see this summit as addressing something that was inevitable. I see no evidence that persuades me Obama would have quietly dropped this.

As for attending the summit, I think some of them wanted a public push-back and others wanted to grand-stand in what they feel is a university debate forum. The ones who wanted a public push-back are the ones who showed that the president is a disrespectful liar with a radical agenda. Those who were there to reason with him don't want to accept he's an enemy.

147 It was Scott Brown's election that had finally killed the bill.

Your memory is faulty. They passed the bill BEFORE Brown took office. It passed 60-39 on Christmas eve. It was the clean-up bill that was passed later

148

Paul Ryan Gave Obamacare Legs! Blame The Bad Lawyerin!

But hey, at least he knows where Concord and Lexington are.

149

As a side note, Scott Brown never ended up doing jack shit to even talk about ObamaCare after he was elected (the whole reason for his election) which was when I decided that he was an untrustworthy scumbag.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 11, 2011 03:14 PM (G/MYk)

Fuck the backstabbing cocksucker.  Between his useless attention-mongering claim about being sexually molested while not making specific accusations (thereby tossing a lot of innocent people under the bus) and whoring himself out for Planned Parenthood, he may as well move to Maine and join Snow, Collins and Kay as a quartet of delusional vags.

150

>> For Ryan to think that confronting the retard with his double-counting, and the like, would have any effect, that was as naive as it gets - to be overly charitable to Ryan.

What's naive is to imagine that the Dems had given up on Obamacare.  It's also naive to imagine you can win party line votes if you're in the minority.  It's especially naive to expect sulking and whining will garner you additional public opposition to the bill which the Republicans in fact accomplished.  All they could do was further inflame the public debate and try to knock off scared Democrats while Pelosi held a gun to their head.

Did I say "naive"?  I'm sorry, I meant "fucking brilliant".

 

As mentioned, this is just unserious so I'll go do something useful now.

151 Ryan's argument wasn't for Obama's benefit; it was for the public. He said that was tired of hearing the lies and he was going to refute them point-by-point. He feels Obama is an unreasonable and stubborn progressive who refuses to communicate with members of Congress and worsens problems by choice.

I also take it you never watched what Ryan said and you frankly don't care. So you're just going to keep claiming that he's stupid when you apparently don't even know or remember what he said.

It's also curious that Rep. Bachmann can address Obama and his arguments all the time on TV yet she's somehow more intelligent and courageous because she didn't do it to his face. If Obama is not to taken seriously and should not be addressed, then why argue with his views at all? Why not just let them slide?

152 My memory is fine.

A memory refresher

153 Scott Brown assumed office 2/4/10.

154 Evidently reading is not within your skill-set either.

155 I asked before, what point do you think you're making, vic?   Why don't you just come out and state whatever it is that you think your implying?

Read the dates, the bill was passed BEFORE Brown was in office.

House passed in Oct, Senate passed in Dec of 2009. Brown came in Feb of 2010.

156 The bill that was passed in march was the "cleanup" bill that had to be passed to get in the "fixes" that the House wanted.

It could not be done until the original bill was passed and signed into law by Obama.

157 Arab League is calling for a no-fly zone over Gaza
They can go ahead and enforce it, then.

158 42 Obama Puts Taxes on the Table "In his speech Wednesday, Mr. Obama will use himself as an example to make the case for raising taxes on the wealthy, while preserving those for the middle class. 'People like him, as he'll say, who've been very fortunate in life, have the ability to pay a little bit more,' Mr. Plouffe said." Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 11, 2011 01:07 PM (uVLrI) All right!

159 Just a question here.  If the press was willing to, within minutes after it was published, take out the comment that BO made to someone at a town hall about gas prices and buying another car, what else are they willing to change? 

So maybe our memories are the only thing we can be certain of these days.

160 Grab your tourches and pitchforks and march onto the tower where the liberalus taxnspendus lives and the frankenstein monster is marching with us