August 03, 2011
— Ace Walter Russell Meade has another long piece, this one examining Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg's assertion that while the majority of the public supports Democratic policies, they don't trust Democrats to actually put those policies into place; Greenberg claims the public agrees with the public on the Democratic liberal agenda, but is merely cynical about the liberal Democrats' execution and implementation of the approved agenda.
Is that it? It is true that if you ask the public if they want more free stuff, they say yes.
But that has always been a rather stupid way to ask the question. During the ObamaCare debate, Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) always pointed at polling results for smaller bits of ObamaCare: The public wants some more options, like a public one. The public wants young adults covered on their parents' policies until they are 30 or 40 or who knows, 50. The public wants an end to pre-existing conditions.
What the Democrats and the media refused to pay attention to was the public's disapproval of ObamaCare. When asked about the full package of ObamaCare, they said no.
In other words, asked about elements of ObamaCare out of context, the public wanted such things; but asked the critical in-context question of "Do you want ObamaCare?," i.e., the benefits as well as the costs, they said no.
Consider this analogy: Ask me if I'd like a very top-line sportscar. I'd say yes. Ask me if I'd like to do 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds. Yes again. Ask me if I'd like road-gripping $3,000 racing tires. Yes, I do. Ask me if I'd like that turbo charged. Yup.
Okay, I said yes to all of those things. So, if I want all of those things, why do I not own a Ferarri, or a Corvette?
Answer: Because you didn't ask me if I'd be willing to pay $150,000 or at least $70,000 for them. You didn't ask me about all elements of the bargain at once -- including price.
Because no car dealer is actually offering me these things for free. He's offering me a car in exchange for $70,000 or $150,000, and I may wish to keep that money for other purposes. (In fact, I might not even have that money at all.)
So to just ask this laundry list of "Do you want...?" is as absurd as the conclusion that every man in the country must own a Corvette or Mustang or refurbished Jaguar Mk. II simply because he agreed, in the abstract, that the things you were talking about sounded nice.
They did sound nice. I genuinely want those things. But I don't have the money, and if I did, I'd spend that money on other things which I want more.
This is actually an age-old sales technique. Wouldn't you like to provide for your children in the case of your death? Wouldn't you like the peace of mind of knowing that your children's welfare is assured? Etc.
But just because you answer yes to each of those questions does not mean you want the product being offered (life insurance, in this example). Because the salesman keeps delaying asking the highly relevant question of "Would you like to spend $150 a month for this product?"
I mean, that's the actual sell here. That's actually closing the deal, if you get a yes to that question. All the other questions were bullshit, intended to put the potential customer in a positive frame of mind.
The actual question, the only one that matters, is Are you willing to pay X amount of dollars for this Y product I want to sell? Everything before that is customer-greasing and bluster.
When Democrats and the media (but I yet again repeat myself) parse these smaller-item agenda points and ignore the larger, in-context question of whether the public wants these things enough to pay for them with forcible extraction of payment through taxation, they are deliberately fooling themselves, convincing themselves of a pleasant fiction because the actual reality ("the public doesn't want to pay for this crap") is too uncouth and uneducated for their liking.
Anyway, Meade considers Greenberg's various Community-Based Reality claims and rubbishes most of them in this excerpt:
Greenberg has not yet come to grips with the deepest and most difficult aspect of the crisis of liberal legitimacy. He roots the dangerous and corrupting special interests outside the state: with their money and their lobbying the corporations and the fat cats influence and pervert the state. But the state and its servants do not, in GreenbergÂ’s story, constitute a special interest of their own.This is not how voters see it. For large numbers of voters the professional classes who staff the bureaucracies, foundations and policy institutes in and around government are themselves a special interest. It is not that evil plutocrats control innocent bureaucrats; many voters believe that the progressive administrative class is a social order that has its own special interests. Bureaucrats, think these voters, are like oil companies and Enron executives: they act only to protect their turf and fatten their purses.
The problem goes even deeper than hostility toward perceived featherbedding and life tenure for government workers. The professionals and administrators who make up the progressive state are seen as a hostile power with an agenda of their own that they seek to impose on the nation.
This perception, also, is rooted in truth. The progressive state has never seen its job as simply to check the excesses of the rich. It has also sought to correct the vices of the poor and to uplift the masses. From the Prohibition and eugenics movements of the early twentieth century to various improvement and uplift projects in our own day, well educated people have seen it as their simple duty to use the powers of government to make the people do what is right: to express the correct racial ideas, to eschew bad child rearing technique like corporal punishment, to eat nutritionally appropriate foods, to quit smoking, to use the right light bulbs and so on and so on.
Progressives want and need to believe that the voters are tuning them out because they arenÂ’t progressive enough. But itÂ’s impossible to grasp the crisis of the progressive enterprise unless one grasps the degree to which voters resent the condescension and arrogance of know-it-all progressive intellectuals and administrators. They donÂ’t just distrust and fear the bureaucratic state because of its failure to live up to progressive ideals (thanks to the power of corporate special interests); they fear and resent upper middle class ideology.
Progressives scare off many voters most precisely when they are least restrained by special interests. Many voters feel that special interests can be a healthy restraint on the idealism and will to power of the upper middle class.
The progressive ideal of administrative cadres leading the masses toward the light has its roots in a time when many Americans had an eighth grade education or less. It always had its down side, and the arrogance and tin-eared obtuseness of self assured American liberal progressives has infuriated generations of Americans and foreigners who for one reason or another have the misfortune to fall under the power of a class still in the grip of a secularized version of the Puritan ideal. But in the conditions of late nineteenth and twentieth century America, the progressive vanguard fulfilled a vital and necessary social role.The deep crisis of the progressive ideal today is that it is no longer clear that the American clerisy is wanted or needed in that role.
Another example of focusing on the sales pitch and not the sale itself.
You can ask your average person: Do you wish people would exercise more? Take more of an interest in their health? Stop eating too much? Stop smoking? Stop drinking so much? Stop gambling away their kids' college funds?
Of course the answer is "yes" to all of these (for most respondents).
But again that's just the sales pitch, not the actual offer.
Give them the actual offer and most will say No. Because the actual offer is:
Do you wish to empower a cadre of busybody bureaucrats, who frankly are largely mediocrities at best, but believe themselves to be chosen for greatness, to boss you around your whole life, in order to make sure some other people aren't eating french fries and having a cigarette?
The real answer is "NO!," because the real answer is, "Look, sure I want other people to live better lives, but frankly, I don't care very much about that and I'm sure not paying for my own personal censor to scold me for making "bad" choices."
See, that's the cost. And if you ignore the cost, you're not talking about business, or sales, or politics, or anything.
You're just talking about fantasy wish-lists with no connection to any physical reality.
And you're a fucking idiot.
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Posted by: profligatewaste at August 03, 2011 01:30 PM (b3rrc)
Exactly why Obama's, in partnership with the Media, infomercial form of governance is so successful.
It's more than just a con game, it's a choreographed con game.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 03, 2011 01:30 PM (sqkOB)
Barack Hussien Obama....Hmmmmm......Hmmmmm.....Hmmmmm !!! Oh yea I want four more years:
A separate report showed the number of planned layoffs at U.S. firms rose to a 16-month high in July, as sectors which had been seeing fairly few layoffs unexpectedly bled jobs.
Employers announced 66,414 planned job cuts last month, up 60.3 percent from 41,432 in June, according to a report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
The job cuts were up 60 percent from June, and 59 percent higher than the 41,676 layoffs recorded in July 2010. Its was the largest monthly total since March 2010, and the first month this year that the government was not the biggest job cutter.
"What may be most worrisome about the July surge is that the heaviest layoffs occurred in industries that, until now, have enjoyed relatively low job-cut levels," John A. Challenger, chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas, said in a statement.
Layoffs in the pharmaceutical and retail sectors overtook nonprofit and government job cuts last month, accounting for 20.32 percent and 16.93 percent of announcements, respectively.
Posted by: Little Rascal at August 03, 2011 01:30 PM (48wze)
One day we should have a thread of poll questions we'd like to see asked. Mine would be for progressives (shitbags, if you will):
A) Do you believe the government has any business in the decisions a woman and her doctor make? Y or N.
B) But you think otherwise the government ought to be involved in medical decisions, right, fucko? Y or N.
Posted by: spongeworthy at August 03, 2011 01:31 PM (rplL3)
Posted by: mpfs, Joo Tea Party Terrorist at August 03, 2011 01:31 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 03, 2011 01:31 PM (lbo6/)
There is another word for it; it's called "adulthood."
The opportunity for the Republican party is tremendous, perhaps unprecedented in our history. The unambiguous evidence of the total disaster that is progressive/liberal politics is staring them in the face; staring the country in the face. If they can't take advantage of that, then they deserve to fail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 03, 2011 01:32 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 03, 2011 01:32 PM (npr0X)
Do you want to weigh 25 pounds less? Do you want more energy? Do you want to live longer?
Exercise, eat a diet high in fruits, vegetables, nuts and lean meats. Reduce or eliminate most processed foods including everything with sugar.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 03, 2011 01:32 PM (GKQDR)
And you're a fucking idiot.
Posted by: Ace at 05:23 PM
Jeez, Ace. I usually have to open my yap before being called an idiot.
Posted by: e at August 03, 2011 01:33 PM (QV6CC)
Be nice if fucking idiots "Independents" could read that and internalize it.
Well. All the way up 'til the "fucking idiot" part.
Posted by: krakatoa at August 03, 2011 01:34 PM (raxYt)
Posted by: Harry at August 03, 2011 01:34 PM (OA66N)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 03, 2011 01:35 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 03, 2011 05:32 PM (npr0X)
And then, if you live in Canada, you only have to wait 6 months to get your broken hand re-broken & set properly.
Punch 'em in the tit instead.
Posted by: krakatoa at August 03, 2011 01:35 PM (raxYt)
Posted by: baseballguy at August 03, 2011 01:35 PM (MaS0T)
Posted by: Jean at August 03, 2011 01:36 PM (7P7Ij)
Here's a post from a couple of years ago that makes Ace's point about polling benefits & costs with poll data from Kaiser.
Posted by: geoff at August 03, 2011 01:36 PM (CpBYB)
That's how we got into this medical mess to start with. Hospitals, even private hospitals, are required to stabilize anyone who comes to the emergency room, whether or not they have money. But the government doesn't provide the cash for that treatment - the hospital is left trying to collect from people who have no money or (I've seen this multiple times) citizens of other countries who just go home when the bill comes.
So the hospital adds the difference to everyone else's bill and calls it "cost shifting". So when insured people go to the emergency room and get sent home after an x-ray and a blood test the insurance company gets a $15k bill.
Maybe 10% of the voters who think "Oh my God! Look how much my health insurance went up!" are going to connect that bill with the "free emergency room care for illegals" policy.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 03, 2011 01:36 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 01:36 PM (QV6CC)
Posted by: The Law of Unintended Consequences at August 03, 2011 01:36 PM (1+CnU)
Posted by: blaster at August 03, 2011 01:37 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 03, 2011 01:37 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: King Wonderoursful at August 03, 2011 01:38 PM (1vG6v)
Posted by: Jean at August 03, 2011 01:38 PM (7P7Ij)
I only read the title, the opening sentence and the summary sentence at the end. I'll bet I'm still up to speed!
Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 03, 2011 01:39 PM (ndlFj)
The Republicans are so stupid they ask shit such as:
"Do you want one-half of one-third of whatever it is that you want?
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 03, 2011 01:41 PM (sqkOB)
Do they generate your electricity from hippie shit fires?
Posted by: That fat kid popping a zit on his forearm at the mall food court at August 03, 2011 01:42 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 03, 2011 01:43 PM (+fGVU)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 01:43 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 01:43 PM (ENKCw)
and stuff.....
not sophisticated, but it works for Dems.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan,TIT ( terrorist-in-training ) at August 03, 2011 01:43 PM (UqKQV)
What do they come back with then?
Posted by: MATT DAMON!!!!! at August 03, 2011 01:44 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: BIG GOVERNMENT at August 03, 2011 05:25 PM (ijjAe)
BIG GOVERNMENT = Zodomy
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 03, 2011 01:44 PM (QMtmy)
...also too...this is kind of fun on Twitter... #ObamaBirthdayPartyGames
some good ones...Pin the Blame on Bush...Follow the Leader (If You Can Find One)...Tug of Kinetic Military Action (that one is Iowahawk's)
..
Posted by: beedubya at August 03, 2011 01:44 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: The High Left at August 03, 2011 01:44 PM (FcR7P)
The Republicans are so stupid they ask shit such as:
"Do you want one-half of one-third of whatever it is that you want?
Posted by: Soothsayer
Whoa, whoa, WHOA! That sounds a lot like math! Ya gotta cut that shit out!
Posted by: The Masses at August 03, 2011 01:44 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 01:45 PM (cbyrC)
"slightly different? Are you high? "Crusader" is a good term to avoid, man
Posted by: SantaRosaStan,TIT ( terrorist-in-training ) at August 03, 2011 01:45 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: observer at August 03, 2011 01:46 PM (nyGJ1)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 01:46 PM (QxSug)
Maybe you're saying this already, Ace, but I could be misreading you. It's even worse than that. They themselves will have carve outs to a bounty of french fries and cigarettes. IOW they won't even follow the very rules of their tyranny because it violates selfish human nature. They'll impose first and capitalize later. These busybodies with the force of law redistribute wants among the masses for political advantage and skim as desired with the subversion of law.
Like I said, you might have said this and I underappreciated your original point. Either way it's a disgusting progressive truism.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 03, 2011 01:46 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: GnuBreed
You lost me at "crusades". Now shut the fuck up.
Posted by: That fat kid popping a zit on his forearm at the mall food court at August 03, 2011 01:46 PM (TXKVh)
Being pedantic here - all the other questions are conditioning, intended to get the potential customer in the habit of saying "yes".
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 03, 2011 01:46 PM (gMPJM)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 01:47 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: AoSHQ's *third* worst commenter, DarkLord© at August 03, 2011 01:47 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 03, 2011 01:47 PM (lbo6/)
The subtlest clue yet for us to hit the tip jar, Ace.
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 01:48 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: The 52 percent at August 03, 2011 01:48 PM (0yGvK)
I was hoping for Davey Jones.
Posted by: Marcia Marcia Marcia at August 03, 2011 01:48 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: MFM Headlines at August 03, 2011 01:49 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2011 01:50 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 01:50 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan,TIT ( terrorist-in-training ) at August 03, 2011 05:45 PM (UqKQV)
Does drinking count? Then yes. Note that I used a lower case 'crusade'; the temptation to use the power of State to compel behavior is the universal constant. That's why I said 'slight'.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 01:50 PM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 01:50 PM (1fB+3)
Free shit.A highly abused term.
Only free thing ever given me was an OPPORTUNITY. I'll always be grateful to the man (now deceased but never forgotten) who freely gave that, with no condition other than "Do your best, son".
That is ALL the free shit anyone will ever need.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 03, 2011 01:51 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 03, 2011 01:52 PM (pdRb1)
You're just talking about fantasy wish-lists with no connection to any physical reality.
And you're a fucking idiot.
In other words, a leftist.
Posted by: Warden at August 03, 2011 01:52 PM (azkZA)
P.J. O'Rourke summed it up years ago: "Republicans believe in God. Democrats believe in Santa Claus."
Posted by: The Law of Unintended Consequences at August 03, 2011 05:36 PM (1+CnU)
Nearly everyone in Congress thinks they're Santa Claus.
Free stuff! Goody bags! Whee!
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 01:53 PM (7GfKM)
I had a girlfriend who used to say that to me
Posted by: beedubya at August 03, 2011 01:53 PM (AnTyA)
If the public had to pay for all this shit the Dems would change their policies or never be elected again.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 01:54 PM (M9Ie6)
Has anyone mentioned yet that "progressives" are stuttering clusterfucks of miserable failure??
Posted by: Superunknown at August 03, 2011 01:55 PM (Jffpi)
All they ever hear is liberals want to give you free shit and somebody else will pay for it. Is that ok by you?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2011 05:50 PM (TMB3S)
Conservatives have a moral dilemma with that, liberals do not.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 03, 2011 01:57 PM (pdRb1)
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 01:58 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 01:58 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 01:59 PM (QxSug)
Volume of fire, range, energy
Advantage: LONGBOW. Posted by: Empire of Jeff,
Composite recurve. On horseback. At full gallop.
Game, set, match.
Posted by: Mugal Empire at August 03, 2011 01:59 PM (DEcmU)
Posted by: Kratos, looking over the dead bodies of Hermes, Posideon, Hades, and Zeus, all petty gods who promis at August 03, 2011 01:59 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 02:00 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 02:00 PM (tmdlA)
Obama Economy Now Lifting All Boats Equally!
Posted by: MFM Headlines at August 03, 2011 05:49 PM (FcR7P)
"Hey! Where did those holes in the bottom come from?"
Posted by: shrimp boats are a slummin' at August 03, 2011 02:01 PM (7GfKM)
Whenever I try to reason with a prog (I know, I know...) I always start by pointing out that everyone (even us mean conservatives) wants to see peace, prosperity & reduction in the amount of suffering in the world......they will then accuse me of attempting to use jedi mind tricks and run for the rhetorical hills.
Posted by: Dathi at August 03, 2011 02:01 PM (d0HfP)
Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2011 02:02 PM (FcR7P)
I want everyone to get a pony too - there just aren't enough ponies.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 03, 2011 02:02 PM (tz1Gl)
Bitch, please.
Volume of fire, range, energy
Advantage: LONGBOW.
TREBUCHET!
Posted by: That French guy who's always yelling "Trebuchet!". at August 03, 2011 05:52 PM (TXKVh)
I'll tell you what. You get the trebuchet, I'll take a long pointy stick. We start at opposite ends of the field, and we'll see just how useful a trebuchet is when it's not besieging.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:02 PM (0q2P7)
All they ever hear is liberals want to give you free shit and somebody else will pay for it. Is that ok by you?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2011 05:50 PM (TMB3S)
THIS!! Now, where's Kratos?
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 02:02 PM (qedIf)
Posted by: Leonidis at August 03, 2011 02:03 PM (0f7gD)
Advantage: LONGBOW. Posted by: Empire of Jeff,
Composite recurve. On horseback. At full gallop.
Game, set, match.
Posted by: Mugal Empire
Your horsemen never went up against the Welsh bowmen. It's like a fantasy Super Bowl; The '65 Packers vs the '89 49ers.
Posted by: fluffy at August 03, 2011 02:03 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 02:04 PM (cbyrC)
Are the remaining 8%, 'second class citizens', by mandate?
Posted by: gastorgrab at August 03, 2011 02:04 PM (sTBZu)
A: Yes
Q: Do you want free gas for your vehicle?
A: Yes
Q: Do you wish to empower a cadre of busybody bureaucrats...
A: Yes
Therein lies the problem.
Posted by: Peggy Joseph Horde at August 03, 2011 02:04 PM (4136b)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 03, 2011 02:04 PM (jucos)
Then there are all those progressives on the take, like for example, every politician in Chicago and DSK. Progressives on the take, or in on the action, don't care.
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 06:00 PM (QxSug)
You neglected those who are progressive to the extent that they want the free stuff that others pay for: society's leeches, in other words. Their understanding of progressive dogma and policy stops at "I gonna get mine".
Posted by: shrimp boats are a slummin' at August 03, 2011 02:05 PM (7GfKM)
I have to agree with the Eye-tie banger.
Crossbows are effective at short range against armored knights. Long bows are effective at long range against the infantry that protects the knights. You do the math.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 03, 2011 02:05 PM (LH6ir)
Gee, 64 comments and no ones has mentioned the most egregious of The Clan of Convincers - Environmentalists.
This is their stock-in-trade. "Don't you want clean air and water?" they ask. Well, sure, who wants to drink brown sludge and breathe smoke? What they never ask is, "Do you want the government to control your home thermostat that you pay for?" nor do they ask, "Do you want to pay $50k for a coffin with wheels that doesn't have enough power to get out of its own way and damn sure can't accelerate fast enough to get ahead of that semi that's busy blowing through the red light right behind you?"
Or how about this one, "Do you want a gigantic federal agency with the power to either stop or delay indefinitely any kind of energy production based on a disproven hoax, one that kills jobs with wild abandon and makes the cost of practically every product you buy more expensive?"
No. They. Don't.
Posted by: Grocery Prices that have doubled in four years at August 03, 2011 02:06 PM (d0Tfm)
Had, as in past-tense.
Shhhhh....the ball and chain wouldn't like me using the present tense
Posted by: beedubya at August 03, 2011 02:06 PM (AnTyA)
Game, set, match.
#1 Yew was a composite material.
#2 Recurve = 10% energy gain at most.
#3 Horseback = 60% draw weight loss. 40% limb length loss.
#4 Horses don't like arrows and are easy to hit at max range with a volley.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:06 PM (0q2P7)
You mean progressives are fucking idiots?
I'd add that progressives are scary deceitful power-mad control-freak corrupt money sucking jerk-off fucking idiots.
BTW - Mark Udall(D-CO) and the rest of the prog left "middle" D want to make being a millionaire a crime. AS if millionaires are not tax-raped enough already. Poison pill.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 03, 2011 02:06 PM (0fzsA)
Enviro groups often ask stuff like, "Are you in favor of cleaner air?" Then when 90% say yes, they issue press releases saying that the public supports their proposals for more regulation.
The polls leave out the little details like "Are you in favor of cleaner air achieved by regulations foisted on industry that will raise your cost of living by hundreds or thousands of dollars a year?"
If that was the question, you would suddenly find that most people think the air is just fine, thank you very much.
Posted by: Cornfed at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (BcYZo)
All they ever hear is liberals want to give you free shit and somebody else will pay for it. Is that ok by you?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2011 05:50 PM (TMB3S)
As the Greeks are discovering, in the long run that doesn't work either. But yeah, your average prog thinks "the rich" are magic cows that can be milked even if you don't feed them.Posted by: Ace's liver at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: beedubya at August 03, 2011 05:53 PM (AnTyA)
What happened? You married her and she stopped?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Breitbart at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (1fB+3)
Free shit.A highly abused term.
Only free thing ever given me was an OPPORTUNITY. I'll always be grateful to the man (now deceased but never forgotten) who freely gave that, with no condition other than "Do your best, son".
That is ALL the free shit anyone will ever need.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 03, 2011 05:51 PM (ud5dN)
you know, this reminded me of somebody like that in my life.
He told me "There is no job too low to be Honoured, because eventually everything has to get done, from sweeping up to picking up dog poop, and scrubbing out the horse trailer. Sure training that champion colt is a great thing, but if you cant take care of him and make sure his stall is clean and hes fed right you wont ever get anywhere kid."
No truer words were ever said.
He believe it axiomatic that work sanctifies the worker. The worse the job the deeper you cut the notch in your belt. So, I am the master of lowly jobs and persistence. Of gross things. Of doing things nobody wants to do, like scrubbing necrotic tissue and then wrapping the wound up again day after day. I have never ever felt better about myself or happier. I wish more lazy asses felt the same. Living a squared away life really is its own satisfaction. We really should teach more children that if they dont do their chores they dont get dinner. I think if you pound in the lesson work=nice things, food and life, more people would be useful, even if just in small ways.
Jeffroi De Charny, a 14th C french knight (of all people!) said a great thing:
"Those who do more, are worth more."
Even if its just changing diapers. Perhaps especially if its doing those diapers.
Posted by: Gushka still hasnt settled down at August 03, 2011 02:07 PM (QNeKQ)
A: Yes
Q: Do you want free gas for your vehicle?
A: Yes
Q: Do you wish to empower a cadre of busybody bureaucrats...
A: Yes
Q: Did you want that guy over there, a top 2% of all wage earners, to pay for it all?
A: Yes
Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 03, 2011 02:08 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: shrimp boats are a slummin' at August 03, 2011 06:05 PM (7GfKM)
Sock fail and grammar fail. All's I have to do is fail to pay my income taxes and it's a sweet, sweet gubmint sinecure for me, baby!
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 02:09 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2011 02:09 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 03, 2011 02:09 PM (jucos)
While you were dodging flaming balls of death, I just burned down your house and raped your wife and livestock.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 02:11 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: ManeiNeko at August 03, 2011 02:11 PM (TiE76)
I'll tell you what. You get the
trebuchet, I'll take a long pointy stick. We start at opposite ends of
the field, and we'll see just how useful a trebuchet is when it's not
besieging.
And I get to put whatever I want in the trebuchet. Right? Rocks, turds. Flaming turds.
Posted by: That French guy who's always yelling at August 03, 2011 02:11 PM (TXKVh)
A: Yes
Q: Do you want free gas for your vehicle?
A: Yes
Q: Do you wish to empower a cadre of busybody bureaucrats...
A: Yes
Q: Did you want that guy over there, a top 2% of all wage earners, to pay for it all?
A: Yes
Q: Do you want job killing tax hikes?
A: Oooh, my fave Glee rerun is on!
Posted by: Peggy Joseph Zombie Horde at August 03, 2011 02:12 PM (4136b)
total US marketable debt surged by $124.6 billion, while debt in intragovernmental holdings (Social Security, Government Retirement Accounts, etc), soared by $113.6 billion, for a combined one day change of $238.2 billion, the single biggest one day increase in US debt in history.
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But it was the best we could do.
Posted by: Methos at August 03, 2011 02:12 PM (sOXQX)
What happened? You married her and she stopped?
now I say it to her
Posted by: Lucy van Pelt's Butt Plug at August 03, 2011 02:12 PM (AnTyA)
You're just talking about fantasy wish-lists with no connection to any physical reality.
And you're a fucking idiot.
A long way to go for saying what needs to be said..
And it's worth it..
Posted by: Dave C at August 03, 2011 02:13 PM (rus4r)
Exactly right, Gushka!
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 02:13 PM (7GfKM)
Bessie!!
Posted by: distraught peasant at August 03, 2011 02:13 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Ignorant Progressive What Quotes the Penumbrae of Clauses at August 03, 2011 02:13 PM (4136b)
At what point has it become acceptable as a side remark to point out that a group is known for its terrorism?
Posted by: elspeth at August 03, 2011 02:14 PM (clwS9)
You realize I can see where your aiming it right?
You realize that you can't re-aim it then fire it faster than I can move out of the firing line right?
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:15 PM (0q2P7)
I want my dick to stay hard for four hours or longer.
Posted by: Jack at August 03, 2011 02:15 PM (8IAHO)
Food stamps. Section 8 housing. Next question.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 02:15 PM (ENKCw)
@78: "Bitch, please.
Volume of fire, range, energy
Advantage: LONGBOW. Posted by: Empire of Jeff,
Composite recurve. On horseback. At full gallop.
Game, set, match. "
------------------
Meh, both require a lifetime of training. Crossbows (and later, muskets) only required a few hours of training.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 03, 2011 02:16 PM (xy9wk)
You guys seem to have a very romantic view of how easy it is to load and fire a catapult/trebuchet.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:16 PM (0q2P7)
I want my dick to stay hard for four hours or longer.
Bob Dole has a plan for you. He'll be along any minute now.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 03, 2011 02:16 PM (Gt5i8)
He's on, like, the pretty sunset side of it. Over here where the sun don't shine, we don't bother with pragmatic or even rational objections to statism, or its -ists. There's no argument, however elegant or tricky, that refutes being a monster.
Like, see here:
The real answer is "NO!," because the real answer is, "Look, sure I want other people to live better lives, but frankly, I don't care very much about that and I'm sure not paying for my own personal censor to scold me for making "bad" choices."
That's provably wrong. The ego may say NO!, but the id says FUCKIN' BRING IT!
Many variably designed experiments have repeatedly shown—and so has all of human history (and also because duh)—that in an artificial clean-hands environment (like politics), where your (monstrous, secret) wish is someone else's command (or, at least, not your responsibility), subjects almost universally value injury to others over non-injury to themselves. And the ones who don't value that just get gang-fucked to death by the rest.
Knowing that sort of thing doesn't help, of course. Because there's no help. But...
...
Yeah there's no but, either.
Posted by: oblig. at August 03, 2011 02:16 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: Jack at August 03, 2011 06:15 PM (8IAHO)
You should come and have a talk with Bob Dole.
Posted by: Bob Dole at August 03, 2011 02:17 PM (jucos)
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 02:17 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: Molon Labe at August 03, 2011 02:17 PM (g5MrG)
hence their ultimate advantage. On the field they sucked balls. When it came to raising an army it was a lot easier and quicker. It the crossbowman came to the field and saw the longbow archers standing by, that is when the self defecating began. Their goal was to dispatch, raise and deploy before the archers could get organized.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:18 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 06:07 PM (1fB+3)
Actually, it was at the siege of Constantinople, where they used catapults to throw the dead bodies of plague victims over the walls.
FIFY.
Posted by: Jack at August 03, 2011 02:18 PM (8IAHO)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 02:19 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: The Left at August 03, 2011 02:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: dri at August 03, 2011 02:20 PM (4uWkx)
"U.S. stocks climbed, erasing earlier losses and preventing the longest Dow Jones Industrial Average slump since 1978, as investors speculated the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program." (from Bloomberg)
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 02:21 PM (5H6zj)
Yew likes damp environments. Like England and Northern Europe. It doesn't like hot environments. Like, say, the Middle East.
There's a reason that Richard brought crossbowmen, and not archers.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 03, 2011 02:21 PM (bjRNS)
Dude if a unit of measure is inconvenient use the next lower one.
Say you're 20,000 femto meters long.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:22 PM (0q2P7)
Sure the large, fixed catapult is difficult to fire rapidly, but what I'm speaking of is the smaller, mobile catapult with multiple re-entry vehicles that can attack multiple targets and rape your kids in between shots.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 02:22 PM (1fB+3)
"U.S. stocks climbed, erasing earlier losses and preventing the longest Dow Jones Industrial Average slump since 1978, as investors speculated the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program." (from Bloomberg)
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 06:21 PM (5H6zj)
looks like somebody got an expensive birthday present....
Posted by: Gushka still hasnt settled down at August 03, 2011 02:22 PM (QNeKQ)
Because the crossbowmen were Italian?
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 03, 2011 02:23 PM (JEvSn)
Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s longtime fisheries adviser is heading to prison — for illegal fishing.
Arne Fuglvog, who was employed as a legislative assistant to Murkowski beginning in 2006, signed a plea agreement on April 8 confessing to violations of the Lacey Act. The act governs the sale of unlawfully captured wildlife.
Note that the advisor resigned Sunday but pleaded guilty back in April. Also, the Daily Caller uses my favorite picture of her.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 02:24 PM (ENKCw)
Yew likes damp environments. Like England and Northern Europe. It doesn't like hot environments. Like, say, the Middle East.
There's a reason that Richard brought crossbowmen, and not archers.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 03, 2011 06:21 PM (bjRNS)
laminated horn was just great for hot/dry environments and a hell of a lot easier to find, than good springy hardwood. Man is inventive. So the great hoardes had this cool stuff called lamilar
Posted by: Gushka still hasnt settled down at August 03, 2011 02:25 PM (QNeKQ)
I started watching a movie called The Box, starring Cameron Diaz (ironic, I know), the other night. I had to run out so I couldn't finish it.
Frank Langella played some mysterious guy with a fucked up all burned up gross face who shows up at Diaz's house after sending this box out of the blue. The box had a button, and the fucked up, all burned up, gross face guy told Diaz that by pushing the button, she would get a million dollars...but someone somewhere in the world that she did not know would die.
She pushed the button.
That's all I got, not seeing the whole movie and all. ..but it's kinda like what you're saying
Posted by: Lucy van Pelt's Butt Plug at August 03, 2011 02:25 PM (AnTyA)
"U.S. stocks climbed, erasing earlier losses and preventing the longest Dow Jones Industrial Average slump since 1978, as investors speculated the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program." (from Bloomberg)
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 06:21 PM (5H6zj)
It's called the Federal Reserve buying stocks. Whenever we get a new president a lot of crooked shit with the Federal Reserve is going to come to light and people will probably go to prison for it unless Barry's already inked their pardons.
Posted by: BIG GOVERNMENT at August 03, 2011 02:26 PM (ijjAe)
Well played.
And welcome, Sarahcuda., to Thunderdome.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 03, 2011 02:26 PM (r4t7/)
There's a reason that Richard brought crossbowmen, and not archers.
You can treat a yew longbow for dry climate, it just takes some work, but,
even if you take good care of your bow, you are going to have a percentage that break, and replacing those broken bows would be a logistical nightmare since no yew grew naturally in the region, so, yeah sure, regionally for logistical reasons it would make sense to have an inferior weapon for long campaigns.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:26 PM (0q2P7)
If around the year 2000, the government union train and welfare for inner city minorities could have been protected with little change, IFF they had shrunk college assistance and other middle class welfare. Freeze immigration and anchor babies, expanded natural resource (rich source of taxes and and important shrinker of trade deficits for a country with expensive employment). Gone along with the Bush medicare reductions. (they could have blamed him for it, while still keeping them solvent long term) If they had more or less done all the things conservatives were saying back then, they would still have a steady inflow of taxes to leech onto and draw a healthy amount from each month. But instead they promised the sky to everyone and the checking account ran out. Now everyone is left high and dry.
Undone by their own greed and stupidity just like all Marxist inspired movements before them.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 03, 2011 02:26 PM (v8Pb8)
http://www.energy.ca.gov/
I think I'll skip it.
Posted by: PJ at August 03, 2011 02:26 PM (FlVA8)
Frank Langella played some mysterious guy with a fucked up all burned up gross face who shows up at Diaz's house after sending this box out of the blue. The box had a button, and the fucked up, all burned up, gross face guy told Diaz that by pushing the button, she would get a million dollars...but someone somewhere in the world that she did not know would die.
She pushed the button.
That's all I got, not seeing the whole movie and all. ..but it's kinda like what you're saying
Posted by: Lucy van Pelt's Butt Plug at August 03, 2011 06:25 PM (AnTyA)
its a great movie and a morality play that reminded me of the old Twighlight Zones. In many ways. Go finish it.
Posted by: Gushka still hasnt settled down at August 03, 2011 02:27 PM (QNeKQ)
There you go ratcheting up the violent rhetoric again.
Terrorist scum!
Posted by: MSM at August 03, 2011 02:27 PM (raxYt)
Just cause gummint promises the moon, most people know when it finally delivers its gonna be pretty crappy bureaucrat stew.
Posted by: nickless at August 03, 2011 02:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 02:27 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 02:28 PM (qedIf)
http://www.energy.ca.gov/
----
You just need to find a cooperative electrician.
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 02:28 PM (5H6zj)
Is it wrong of me to start to loathe everyone in NY (excluding ewoks and hobos, of course)?
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 06:23 PM (5H6zj)
No, it's a sign that you're normal.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 03, 2011 02:29 PM (Gt5i8)
But we're constantly hearing from the left that it's all about how to get their message out. If they can just get their message out to the public, then the public overwhelmingly will vote their way.
The Left has been saying this since Clinton.
Most people in America know through experience there is no free lunch. And that whatever the government does, someone's going to have to pay for it.
So if you ask anyone: should the government take care of the homeless? The answer is always "Yes", because the person answering that question thinks only of the special needs cases; people incapable of getting a job for either physical or mental reason.
Ask the same question with more detail: Should the government take care of the homeless, regardless of whether or not they are able to perform a useful function in society? The answer will always be "No".
Which leads to what I think is the most valuable conclusion in your piece, Ace:
"whether the public wants these things enough to pay for them with forcible extraction of payment through taxation, they are deliberately fooling themselves"
Fooling themselves into thinking their message isn't getting out, or not getting out properly. In addition, they are fooling themselves when they think they are the smartest kids in the room, and have managed to fool all us uneducated rightwingers.
They can't sell their product, because it can't sell itself.
Yeah, I guess I've just basically repeated what you said. I suppose I could have just said "agreed" and been done with it.
Posted by: Sgt. York at August 03, 2011 02:29 PM (DwEmX)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 06:28 PM (qedIf)
You'll get nothing and like it!
Posted by: Judge Smails at August 03, 2011 02:30 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: t-bird at August 03, 2011 02:30 PM (FcR7P)
She pushed the button.
That's all I got, not seeing the whole movie and all. ..but it's kinda like what you're saying"
SPOILER
The next part is the burnt guy telling her that he would next be giving the box to someone that SHE DID NOT KNOW. I.E. she could die if someone else was greedy.
Posted by: BIG GOVERNMENT at August 03, 2011 02:32 PM (ijjAe)
Every so often, Ace pushes away the empty 24oz cans of Earthquake Lager
Which causes a small avalanche of mildew-coated pizza boxes, empty cough syrup bottles filled with cigarette butts, and cheeto-stained tissues.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 03, 2011 02:33 PM (XyoGP)
Bob Dole has a plan for you. He'll be along any minute now.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 03, 2011 06:16 PM (Gt5i
Sorry I'm late. Bob Dole got stuck getting out of the elevator.
Not because Bob Dole is Fat.
Because it was so hard, there wasn't enough room to turn around.
Bob Dole is talking about his dick.
hmmm.
Posted by: Bob Dole at August 03, 2011 02:33 PM (raxYt)
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 02:33 PM (YwDKF)
uhh dude, some of us avoided the 20% loss on property values by selling high, don't think you thought that one through all the way
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 03, 2011 02:33 PM (UrPTC)
Yes, thank you.
Posted by: Cooter at August 03, 2011 02:34 PM (C06Qq)
Posted by: MikeTheCannibal
Not by itself it ain't.
#2 Recurve = 10% energy gain at most.
So again. Advantage CR.
#3 Horseback = 60% draw weight loss. 40% limb length loss.
Where is that from?
#4 Horses don't like arrows and are easy to hit at max range with a volley.
Are you telling me that given any random, pre-blackpowder battlefield you'd leave your horses at home?
Posted by: Mugal Empire at August 03, 2011 02:35 PM (DEcmU)
You realize I can see where your aiming it right?
You realize that you can't re-aim it then fire it faster than I can move out of the firing line right?
Posted by: Mike
I caused a diversion ( tits ) and aimed the shit out of my trebuchet while you weren't looking. Direct hit. Flaming turds. ( Your pointy stick in on fire. )
Posted by: That French guy who's always yelling "Trebuchet!". at August 03, 2011 02:35 PM (TXKVh)
While the masculine group will be more preoccupied with shows of strength, safety, and dominance. (foreign or domestic)
It just is what it is. The thing that confuses me is.
1. lefties seem totally oblivious to this dynamic
2. Why do I love strong right wing women but loath pithy leftist men? (Oh nm, like most questions it answered itself)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 03, 2011 02:36 PM (v8Pb8)
That's all I got, not seeing the whole movie and all. ..but it's kinda like what you're saying"
SPOILER
The next part is the burnt guy telling her that he would next be giving the box to someone that SHE DID NOT KNOW. I.E. she could die if someone else was greedy.
Posted by: BIG GOVERNMENT at August 03, 2011 06:32 PM (ijjAe)
awesome little lesson in there, dont you think?
Nothing is without cost. because to the next stranger over, you might be the acceptable loss, that aint bothering them none.
Posted by: Gushka still hasnt settled down at August 03, 2011 02:36 PM (QNeKQ)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at August 03, 2011 02:36 PM (nyGJ1)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 03, 2011 02:38 PM (v8Pb8)
My only experience working for government (outside the Army Reserve / National Guard) was for a mostly rural county.
Based on my limited experience, everything above is spot on. For the bureaucrat class, elected officials are a necessary nuisance to be manipulated, and the citizens sheep who need to be herded by their betters.
As individuals they were decent people, and worked fine with the citizenry on an individual basis, but on policy furthering the agenda of the department was top priority- the will of the voters or elected officials be damned.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 03, 2011 02:38 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 02:39 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 06:33 PM (YwDKF)
Wait. THE Jim?
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 02:39 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: The Left at August 03, 2011 02:39 PM (bxiXv)
Hey, guys. I'm not sure what ace was talking about in that long post, but these comments sure are interesting!
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at August 03, 2011 02:40 PM (HzhBE)
some of us avoided the 20% loss on property values by selling high, don't think you thought that one through all the way
Some of us weren't speculating and still aren't.
You don't own property, but pay income taxes, then you get to vote national not local.
You want a say in your local elections, buy back into the game.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 02:41 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: The Left at August 03, 2011 06:39 PM (bxiXv)
Stanton Peele sounds suspiciously close to palin steele ...
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 02:42 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: Combined Arms at August 03, 2011 02:42 PM (agD4m)
And you're a fucking idiot.
= = = = = =
Q,E, mutha-fuckin D
Posted by: fluffy 'n' logical at August 03, 2011 02:42 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 03, 2011 02:42 PM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 03, 2011 02:43 PM (1fB+3)
Wow, 20%!
That's almost Barky's unemployment rate.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 03, 2011 02:44 PM (P57Q4)
Posted by: The Left at August 03, 2011 02:44 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 02:44 PM (QxSug)
Yeah, they're basically polling about free cake. You're pointing out that the 'free' part is a lie.
The other half of the story is, the cake is a lie, too.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 03, 2011 02:44 PM (qITqt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 03, 2011 02:44 PM (bxiXv)
some of us avoided the 20% loss on property values by selling high, don't think you thought that one through all the way
Also, try cashing out at a Poker Table and keeping your seat.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 02:45 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 03, 2011 02:45 PM (qITqt)
Aaaaaand to add to the crisis, lefties are melting down as Obama taps "Tea Partier" David Barlow as U.S. attorney for Utah.
Hahahaha! I myself see no political advantage for Obama unless he wants Jon Huntsman as his running mate in 2012. ThinkProgress and Daily Kos among others are screaming PRIMARY louder than ever.
Posted by: arhooley at August 03, 2011 02:45 PM (hBzZ5)
#ObamaBirthdayPartyGames
Duck, Duck Responsibility
Kick the Can...Down the Road
Monkey in the Middle Class
Posted by: Lucy van Pelt's Butt Plug at August 03, 2011 02:45 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Combined Arms at August 03, 2011 02:47 PM (agD4m)
some of us avoided the 20% loss on property values by selling high, don't think you thought that one through all the way
Also, try cashing out at a Poker Table and keeping your seat.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 06:45 PM (tmdlA)
I have no problem with only having taxpayers voting, but in this particular case that means no taxes for rental properties, right?
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Cooter at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (C06Qq)
Rapist=person who forces themselves on another
Politicians= a person who is both.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: Lucy van Pelt's Butt Plug at August 03, 2011 06:45 PM (AnTyA)
Pin the Tail on the Honkey?
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (tmdlA)
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. June 3-7, 2011. N=1,015 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.
"As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law last year. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?"
8/10 & 12/10: "As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law earlier this year. ..."
3/10: "As you may know, the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate are trying to pass final legislation that would make major changes in the country's health care system. ..."
6/3-7/11
39 56 53/11-13/11
37 59 512/17-19/10
43 54 38/6-10/10
40 56 43/19-21/10
39 59 2"As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law last year. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?" If oppose: "Do you oppose that legislation because you think its approach toward health care is too liberal, or because you think it is not liberal enough?" Combined responses
8/10 & 12/10: "As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law earlier this year. ..."
3/10: "As you may know, the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate are trying to pass final legislation that would make major changes in the country's health care system. ..."
Too liberal Oppose:
Not liberal
enough Unsure % % % %
6/3-7/11
39 36 14 103/11-13/11
37 43 13 712/17-19/10
43 37 13 78/6-10/10
40 41 13 63/19-21/10
39 43 13 5
Yes, "the" Jim.
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 02:48 PM (YwDKF)
The way the whole political fabric of the government elite is being set up is:
I want everyone to drive pussified cars, except for me.
I want everyone to stop eating meat, except for me.
I want everyone's children to go to public schools, except for mine.
I want everyone to stop flying corporate jets, except for me.
etc, etc, etc.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 02:49 PM (qedIf)
Yeah, well you didn't think he had any class did you? Or even good manners.
Posted by: Retread at August 03, 2011 02:49 PM (BO5ap)
Looks like another outstanding performance by the hand-sitting academics in charge of the WH (in taking so long to fill the slot, I mean).
The other take home message appears to be that Matheson is a dunce. Two attempts to nominate someone; both unsuccessful.
Posted by: Y-not at August 03, 2011 02:50 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Nathan at August 03, 2011 02:51 PM (yY4jm)
That's almost Barky's unemployment rate.
Because he inherited from Bush, you dang wingnut! Tearrorist! Austerity-seeker! RACIST!!!!!
Posted by: Linus' Masterbation Blanet at August 03, 2011 02:52 PM (c0A3e)
Also, try cashing out at a Poker Table and keeping your seat.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 06:45 PM (tmdlA)
There's always another table I can lay my money on. Again, you didn't think it through all the way. not that it isn't a good start.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 03, 2011 02:52 PM (UrPTC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 03, 2011 02:53 PM (bxiXv)
Not by itself it ain't.
Yes it is. They took a cut to make longbows that ran across the heartwood and regular wood junction in the trunk which had different deflex reflex characteristics. Basically a naturally formed junction of two different woods.
#2 Recurve = 10% energy gain at most.
So again. Advantage CR.
#3 Horseback = 60% draw weight loss. 40% limb length loss.
Where is that from?
The loss of balance due to moving on a horse and not having a solid plant for your feet that makes drawing a bow into a more limited muscle exercise confined mostly to the arms.
The limb loss comes from needing a shorter bow to maneuver over the neck of the horse side to side.
#4 Horses don't like arrows and are easy to hit at max range with a volley.
Are you telling me that given any random, pre-blackpowder battlefield you'd leave your horses at home?
No, but, mounted archers don't have as much punch as the real thing due to the lost bow performance. Their advantage was being able to control position on the battle field better as to always be in firing position against the enemy. Specifically infantry who couldn't shoot back. Horses at the time for direct fights were used as momentum weapons by cavalry more effectively than by mounted archers. I have no doubt that once within longbow range, regular archers would cut them down.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:53 PM (0q2P7)
Still incompetent as ever with the ol cut-and-paste, huh, fuckface.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 03, 2011 02:54 PM (P57Q4)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 02:55 PM (cbyrC)
Just cause gummint promises the moon, most people know when it finally delivers its gonna be pretty crappy bureaucrat stew.
Posted by: nickless at August 03, 2011 06:27 PM (MMC8r)
When we bring back the government cheese our decent into the 70's will be complete.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 03, 2011 02:56 PM (pdRb1)
Of course, what Jim obfuscates is that single payer healthcare is sold to us rubes in exactly the way ace describes: Free healthcare.
In other words, Jim is full of shit.
Posted by: Combined Arms at August 03, 2011 02:56 PM (agD4m)
Wahoo! We did it. Drinks all around!
US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic project after the government's debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday.
......
The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 03, 2011 02:58 PM (0f7gD)
Posted by: Nathan at August 03, 2011 06:51 PM (yY4jm)
Just get rid of the tax withholding law and I bet, soon after, we'd be seeing lower taxes.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 02:58 PM (qedIf)
Thanks, I couldn't remember the name of that other wood "the stuff on the outside", for the life of me.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 02:59 PM (0q2P7)
I have no problem with only having taxpayers voting, but in this particular case that means no taxes for rental properties, right?
No. If you own property you pay taxes on it. Otherwise there'd be no incentive for adopting the progressive vote.
If you rent it, you pay taxes on the income generated from that arrangement, no?
If you own rental property in a county other than the county you reside in, you get a vote in that county as well. Same goes for the individual States.
I pay taxes in five or six states, due to Real Estate and other Investments but get no representation there. That's bullshit.
While I'm making up some new rules... ANY bennefits received from the State or Federal Gov't in excess of $10,000 (Food Stamps, Housing, WIC, whatever....) need to be taxed at the 'Gift' rate.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 02:59 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost
If it smells like tots? That's me.
Posted by: That fat kid popping a zit on his forearm at the mall food court at August 03, 2011 03:00 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Heavy Infantry and Dismounted Knights at August 03, 2011 03:00 PM (agD4m)
Sad. Yet the governing class has only extracted 60% from you of what they *need* to cover their current programs. Then they throw a tremendous hissy fit that they cannot grow the programs even faster.
Doom de Doom Doom, Doom.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 03:01 PM (ENKCw)
I see now that my work is done. Who knew idiot psychologists read AoSHQ?
Austerity akbar!
Posted by: Tea Party Hobbit at August 03, 2011 03:01 PM (r4t7/)
There was a horrible local story making the rounds.
A couple owned and operated an LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) store for 7 years in a small community of about 2500. In Ontario, you can only buy beer at the Beer Stores and liquor at the the Liquor stores.
They put $60,000 into the building over the last several years. They improved sales of one brand of beer higher than any store in the province.
It comes time to reapply to operate a store and another store nearby wins. The couple spend $50,000 in lawyer fees to get the LCBO to cough up the judging criteria and scores. On the application, the new people get all sorts of bonus points for stuff they propose to do where these people get nothing for what they've done. Three 'impartial' judges from Toronto apparently gave the stores the exact same grades.
The local paper editor wrote a scathing column about this. He tried to get the bureaucrats to get some answers but the bullies hid behind their mouthpiece who, in the words of the editor, 'found 17 nice ways to say 'Piss off'. A petition with 2000 signatures means nothing. The LCBO said the couple could sue, probably wouldn't win and would have to pay the LCBO's costs as well, another $150,000. The couple is just giving up after spending $50,000.
Infuriating. I don't know if I mention it enough, but I REALLY loathe this province, I can't wait to leave and this being California north (over $200 Billion in debt for 11 million people), I can't wait for the cleansing fire.
Aside from our military, and the good people out in Alberta, I have no love or pride for what Canada has become.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 03, 2011 03:01 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: garrett
SCHWING!
Posted by: Dang at August 03, 2011 03:01 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:01 PM (cbyrC)
A union shop.
Which mostly did government contracts.
If that's not doom, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 03, 2011 03:03 PM (6GWZI)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 06:55 PM (cbyrC)
That's not the insinuation I've heard from the moronettes.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 03:03 PM (qedIf)
Posted by: Rondinellamamma at August 03, 2011 03:03 PM (165ZM)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 03, 2011 03:04 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: That chipmunk whos' fucking a dead bird under your patio at August 03, 2011 03:05 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Superunknown at August 03, 2011 03:06 PM (Jffpi)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 03, 2011 03:07 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 03:08 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:09 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: That chipmunk whos' fucking a dead bird under your patio at August 03, 2011 07:05 PM (TXKVh)
Dibs on Sloppy Seconds!
Posted by: Theodore at August 03, 2011 03:10 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 03:10 PM (qedIf)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 03, 2011 03:10 PM (QxSug)
Dibs on Sloppy Seconds!
Posted by: Theodore at August 03, 2011 07:10 PM (tmdlA)
Fuck you buddy. Get in line.
Posted by: THE Jim at August 03, 2011 03:11 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: Rondinellamamma at August 03, 2011 03:12 PM (165ZM)
Posted by: That chipmunk whos' fucking a dead bird under your patio at August 03, 2011 07:05 PM (TXKVh)
Dibs on Sloppy Seconds!
Posted by: TheodoreAaaand... done. Next!
Posted by: That chipmunk whos' fucking a dead bird under your patio at August 03, 2011 03:12 PM (TXKVh)
They Go In Threes...
Amy Winhouse
and now Bubba Smith
Who's next? I'll tell you who's next.
Richard Simmons or Suzanne Somers
Posted by: I See Dead People at August 03, 2011 03:13 PM (b8X5C)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 03:14 PM (qedIf)
Posted by: LOLchipmunk at August 03, 2011 03:14 PM (tmdlA)
Simple question for you: Do you think it is a proper function of the federal government to require me under the threat of imprisonment to surrender a portion of my earnings to pay for the healthcare of some person I do not know who refuses to work and pay for his own healthcare?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 07:01 PM (cbyrC)
I'll take this one further. Does Jim actually believe he has a right to another man or woman's labor, (doctors, nurses)? And if so, where is the origin of the debt on that? If I sit down at a restaurant and order a meal I've just indebted myself to the restaurant owner. Where is the origin of debt as it applies to a doctor earning less because the government makes the rules? Don't believe me? Take a look at Medicare.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 03:14 PM (4136b)
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 03, 2011 03:15 PM (agD4m)
Richard Simmons or Suzanne Somers
Posted by: I See Dead People at August 03, 2011 07:13 PM (b8X5C)
Yeah, but do you know what's next?
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 03:17 PM (4136b)
They Go In Threes...
Amy Winhouse
and now Bubba Smith
Who's next? I'll tell you who's next.
Richard Simmons or Suzanne Somers
Posted by: I See Dead People
That shit's not even funny!
Posted by: Dick Van Dyke at August 03, 2011 03:17 PM (TXKVh)
Combined arms, go look at what I posted. 14% (not 20%--my bad) said they disapproved Obamacare because it doesn't go far enough.
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 03:17 PM (YwDKF)
I evade the Celebrity Grim Reaper yet again.
It's that guitar I sold you. It has...powers.
You might want to think about buying some others.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 03:17 PM (tmdlA)
Combined arms, go look at what I posted. 14% (not 20%--my bad) said they disapproved Obamacare because it doesn't go far enough.
Posted by: Jim
14% want to harvest the vital organs from the children of the top 20% of wage earners.
Posted by: Dang at August 03, 2011 03:19 PM (TXKVh)
Front towards left, you're already doing that. Who do you think pays for the cost of people who show up at ERs without insurance? It's our taxes (granted, some of which are on the state instead of federal level).
And Rex Harrison's hat, no doctor is required to accept Medicare patients.
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 03:21 PM (YwDKF)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:23 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Who dat ninja? at August 03, 2011 03:25 PM (v8Pb8)
Do you think it is a proper function of the federal government to require me under the threat of imprisonment to surrender a portion of my earnings to pay for the healthcare of some person I do not know who refuses to work and pay for his own healthcare?
SÃ.
Posted by: Justicia Empatica Sotomayor at August 03, 2011 03:26 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 03, 2011 03:26 PM (npr0X)
nobody buys a depreciating asset outright, they lease!
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:26 PM (k1rwm)
My brother who is a "lurker" sent me this
http://is.gd/k8lqp6
The program has expanded greatly. And the assholes say they can't find anything to cut and we will cut 50% of the cuts from defense.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 03:27 PM (M9Ie6)
Front towards left, you're already doing that. Who do you think pays for the cost of people who show up at ERs without insurance? It's our taxes (granted, some of which are on the state instead of federal level).
And Rex Harrison's hat, no doctor is required to accept Medicare patients.
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 07:21 PM (YwDKF)
Which is why many don't. This in turn reduces options for patients, which I wouldn't call a good thing.
Why don't you take a stab at answering my original question? It's right here.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 03:28 PM (4136b)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 07:26 PM (k1rwm)
What the fuck does that even mean? Have you ever bought a car?
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 03:28 PM (qiOph)
14%/20% whatever. You made the point that X% of respondents were against Obamacare because it was not liberal enough. I explained to others, in context, that polling result was quite plausible and, again, in context, that you made ace's point for him even as you tried to nitpick him.
curious is more coherent.
Posted by: Combined Arms at August 03, 2011 03:28 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: curious
You can lease Beanie Babies™?!
Posted by: That fat lady in a moo-moo on aisle 9 at August 03, 2011 03:29 PM (TXKVh)
nobody buys a depreciating asset outright, they lease!
Explain marriage to me, again.
...then google it and see the varied definitions. The WikiDef is most Progressive, indeed.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: What do you mean, I have to pay taxes on it? at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (GIOa/)
@197: "You don't own property, but pay income taxes, then you get to vote national not local."
Um, no one owns real property except us. You might think you do, but just try not paying "taxes" on your property and see if we don't come take it back from you.
EVERYONE who isn't the government rents.
Posted by: Your friendly, compassionate government. at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (xy9wk)
Are curious and Jim at the same motel 6 on I-83?
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (JEvSn)
Posted by: 110 million people with paid off car notes at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (agD4m)
Meanwhile, I evade the Celebrity Grim Reaper yet again.
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 03, 2011 07:15 PM (agD4m)
You're a fucking joke.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at August 03, 2011 03:30 PM (qedIf)
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 03:31 PM (0q2P7)
What the fuck does that even mean? Have you ever bought a car?
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 07:28 PM (qiOph)
Who needs a car in NYC?
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom & Sith Lord at August 03, 2011 03:31 PM (YxBuk)
Are curious and Jim at the same motel 6 on I-83?
Nope. Rest Stop Men's Room. Last stall on the left.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 03:32 PM (tmdlA)
You're a fucking joke.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at August 03, 2011 07:30 PM (qedIf)
Bitch please. I don't even have a liver anymore. You've spent forty years shuffling around the sets of Mob movies and sipping prune juice.
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 03, 2011 03:34 PM (agD4m)
A guy who wants a shot at getting a date with you?
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 07:33 PM (tmdlA)
Only if Ace rolls up in a Ferrari.
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom & Sith Lord at August 03, 2011 03:34 PM (YxBuk)
Are curious and Jim at the same motel 6 on I-83?
Nope. Rest Stop Men's Room. Last stall on the left.
Posted by: garrettJim! Come back! ( No pun intended. ) We were supposed to take turns!
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:35 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:36 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: lowandslow at August 03, 2011 03:36 PM (GZitp)
Bitch please. I don't even have a liver anymore. You've spent forty years shuffling around the sets of Mob movies and sipping prune juice.
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 03, 2011 07:34 PM (agD4m)
At least I don't try to fucking sing.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at August 03, 2011 03:37 PM (qedIf)
Anyone that hates the subway, can't afford cabs all the time, and isn't able to walk or bike to wherever they need for a variety of reasons. Dense cities make life possible without cars, but there are still plenty of situations where people really want or need them for very practical reasons. It's why being 100% anti or pro car is unreasonable.
Posted by: The Donkey Show at August 03, 2011 03:38 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: That enormous box of Kotex under the sink in your mother's old house at August 03, 2011 03:39 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 07:36 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 03:39 PM (4136b)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:40 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 03, 2011 03:40 PM (agD4m)
I was taking a shot at someone, but thanks for the serious answer?
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom & Sith Lord at August 03, 2011 03:40 PM (YxBuk)
@256: "So WHO'S in "crisis," again??"
The Left is facing Victory Disease - very soon, they'll win completely, and then the blood purges start. That should be fun - after all, who needs revolutionaries when the revolution succeeded?
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 03, 2011 03:40 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Helen Thomas at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (qiOph)
I read a book called Heartwood, I think.
part of a p.i. series
James Lee Burke, ya, that's the author.
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (sEedC)
Posted by: Orc Chipmunk that clubbed complaining bird to death at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (GIOa/)
Who needs a car in NYC?
Posted by: Rum, Goddess of Doom & Sith Lord at August 03, 2011 07:31 PM (YxBuk)
If I lived in a large urban city I would not own a car. A car is expensive in the country. It is damn expensive in a city.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 07:39 PM (4136b)
Ace does it all the time.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 03:42 PM (qedIf)
i was going to comment on the subject of this post, but I see we have moved on to Brian Dennehy
BTW, I thought he was great in Young Frankenstein
Posted by: Jones at August 03, 2011 03:43 PM (8sCoq)
Step 1: Steal a Ferrari
2: ?????
3: Profit!
This reminds of an 'unknown gem' of a movie called The Hidden. It's about a murderous alien with a taste for Ferraris and rock&roll. In the opening sequence he totally trashes a Ferrari.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 03:43 PM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Jim at August 03, 2011 06:33 PM (YwDKF)
Are you Jimbo3 from HA, by any chance? (Because you were a brown-noser of the OCare there, too.)
And if, by chance, you are, how's your prospective career ratting out your neighbors to the IRS for avoiding paying healthcare taxes looking these days?
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 03:44 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: Helen Thomas
Remove product from box. Remove adhesive tabs from product. Place product back in box. Place head in box.
NO! Not that box!
Posted by: That enormous box of Kotex under the sink in your mother's old house at August 03, 2011 03:44 PM (TXKVh)
That was one of my favorite lines from The Two Towers.
Posted by: Thanatos at August 03, 2011 03:44 PM (c0A3e)
Every time I said I was against obamacare people gave me that terrible PC look and said "you are doing fine, don't you care about the poor and the people who don't have anything?" Of course I care about the poor, that's not the point. In fact, having recently visited an emergency room with a friend and seeing the chaos first hand I rather think I care about the poor more. I would have preferred to buy poor families insurance rather than muck up an already excellent system. I keep saying to my friends where is the scalpel I was promised? Where is the judicious cutting? Where is the thorough examination of cutting? Where have all the lobbyists gone that he planned to throw out of DC, I know one who just bought a bentley outright, with "extra cash". I ask them why a guy who was going to use strategic attacks just simply blew everything that was working up? they tell me they can believe the kind of person I'm becoming, selfish and uninterested in the country, unpatriotic, in fact. It's sad really sad. I've had the conversation now a lot and the response is robotically the same.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:44 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat
I disagree!
Then I win because 20% wanted single payer bitches! Read it and weep.
Posted by: Jimmy jim jimmy jim jim at August 03, 2011 03:44 PM (JEvSn)
James Burnham's term "the managerial class" is a better name for the power-hungry busybodies to whom Meade is referring.
Posted by: Brown Line at August 03, 2011 03:45 PM (yHP+G)
The HealthCare debacle that is coming is unstoppable...mainly because of the idiots like Jim.
When we end up like Canada or the U.K. at best.....people like Jim will say what every other idiot Liberal says....
"Well we never intended it for to turn out this way...our intentions were pure"
And then a line of 60 excuses will begin to fly about...mainly blaming Conservatives......who had fought it against it all along. It's just Pathetic!
F'n Burn It Down...
Posted by: Jimi at August 03, 2011 03:45 PM (JMsOK)
I know the feeling...
Posted by: Thanatos at August 03, 2011 07:40 PM (c0A3e)
Me too.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi's cooter at August 03, 2011 03:45 PM (qedIf)
Ace does it all the time.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 07:42 PM (qedIf)
He does hold the banhammer.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 03, 2011 03:46 PM (4136b)
This thread reminds me of that scene in Requiem for a Dream.
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 07:45 PM (Po8Ix)
The one with Brian Dennehy? That one?
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Posted by: curious' cats wondering why she's a selfish bitch that won't feed us at August 03, 2011 03:47 PM (2iy/D)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 03, 2011 03:48 PM (MyByM)
Brian Dennehy was in that movie.
Posted by: soothie
Brian Dennehy is in every movie. Read the credits at the end.
Every. Movie.
Posted by: Dang at August 03, 2011 03:48 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at August 03, 2011 03:49 PM (npr0X)
James Burnham's term "the managerial class" is a better name for the power-hungry busybodies to whom Meade is referring.
Posted by: Brown Line at August 03, 2011 07:45 PM (yHP+G)
I'd go with the "big buttinsky class", myself.
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 03:49 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 03:50 PM (cbyrC)
Not particularly.
*casts off the Death cloak*.
Can I be one of Pat's friends? Apparently they are so rich they can buy a Bentley with "cash on hand"?
Posted by: Thanatos at August 03, 2011 03:50 PM (c0A3e)
Welcome to the party. Keep in mind the initiation is to strangle an illegal immigrant kitten with the lower intestine of a baby fur seal. (Extra points of the seal isn't dead yet...)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at August 03, 2011 03:50 PM (Fs7RJ)
They probably advertise it here as well except that the only thing I watch on TV anymore is a little of Fox News and movies with no ads.
I had to idea that this welfare program had expanded so much.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 03:51 PM (M9Ie6)
Keep in mind the initiation is to strangle an illegal immigrant kitten with the lower intestine of a baby fur seal. (Extra points of the seal isn't dead yet...)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at August 03, 2011 07:50 PM (Fs7RJ)
Hell yeah, I laughed! Whattayagonnadoaboutit?
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 03:52 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:53 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 07:49 PM (qMihc)
IIANM he was banned.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 03:53 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Sybil at August 03, 2011 03:53 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: rdbrewer at August 03, 2011 03:53 PM (ILJ5m)
Where's Uncle Facts?
Where's Purple Avenger?
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 07:49 PM (aBiG3)
The gubmint came and picked 'em up.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 03:53 PM (qedIf)
A powder room run out? Wow talk about dusting off the old idiom.
Posted by: MikeTheCannibalVampireZombieAlienHobbitKidnappingTerroristWereMoose at August 03, 2011 03:54 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 03, 2011 03:54 PM (MyByM)
Just because someone doesn't have a large chunk of money to purchase, doesn't mean that the taxes aren't included into the rent.
No, they don't. They pay rent. The renter pays taxes. Just because you buy something at a store doesn't mean you pay the store
If you don't pay the rent, the state doesn't necessarily get to place a lien on the property. Only when the property owner fails to pay the taxes does that happen.
When the property owner defaults on the taxes and the state takes the property you don't have any rights as the renter, do you?
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 03:55 PM (tmdlA)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 07:53 PM (k1rwm)
They told me you're a shitty cook, and that they only come around because you'll suck whatever is jammed into your yob.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 03:55 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 03:55 PM (c0A3e)
I say he winds up at Citigroup with an 8 figure salary
Posted by: Schroeder's Gay Porn Collection at August 03, 2011 03:55 PM (AnTyA)
Meet the Mets, Greet the Mets, Come to CitiField and BEAT the Mets.
Posted by: The New York Mets at August 03, 2011 03:56 PM (agD4m)
The program pisses me off so much and to add insult to injury, then the government is spending even more money to advertise it to every supposedly poor person deadbeat that somehow can afford cable.
Posted by: The Donkey Show at August 03, 2011 03:56 PM (ijjAe)
"Soooo...word is that Turbo Tax Timmeh is taking a hike and will be replaced by Corzine."
Sweet! What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Jimi at August 03, 2011 03:57 PM (JMsOK)
Hannity had trump on this afternoon, was in traffic and heard the entire interview. I'd vote for trump. He sounds coherent compared to the republican bunch who were strangely quiet during this entire debt ceiling debacle. Yeah I know you guys think he'd be the ross perot guy in this election but heck the republicans have no balls.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:57 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 07:55 PM (c0A3e)
Wow ... and you're gonna be a Pee Aitch Effin' Dee ...
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 03:57 PM (7GfKM)
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 07:51 PM (M9Ie6)
It originally started out as an emergency only phone program that could only dial 911. It may still be that way in some states, not sure.
The next big push is free broadband as a 'civil right'. Lots of Dems are on board pushing that one in DC.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2011 03:57 PM (ENKCw)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 03, 2011 03:57 PM (qiOph)
pimpco or jamie dimond's paradise
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 03:59 PM (k1rwm)
And it has an internet connection.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins, TEArorist at August 03, 2011 03:59 PM (ECjvn)
The Republicans, if they were smart, which they're not, will oppose any nominee for SecTreas. And put him/her through the wringer for as long as they can.
You know, to put a spotlight on Obama's failed economic policies and inept cabinet.
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 03:59 PM (rLVhf)
That is scary, that somebody such as myself is actually capable of getting those 3 letters. Goes to show how worthless the title is...unless you can back up what you're saying.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 03:59 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 03, 2011 04:00 PM (MyByM)
Posted by: rockmom at August 03, 2011 04:00 PM (lSyyU)
That is what I remember. I guess that is the old camel's nose in the tent trick that they always use.
Posted by: Vic at August 03, 2011 04:00 PM (M9Ie6)
"Soooo...word is that Turbo Tax Timmeh is taking a hike and will be replaced by Corzine."
Sweet! What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Jimi at August 03, 2011 07:57 PM (JMsOK)
If it lures the Fat Man out of Joisey to smack Corzine's nuts around with a ball peen hammer again, but in DC this time, I'd go with "nothing".
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 04:00 PM (7GfKM)
But instead, the Republicans in the Senate will let him/her sail through because they're too stupid to recognize an opportunity right in front of their faces.
Posted by: soothie at August 03, 2011 04:00 PM (uoqdk)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at August 03, 2011 07:57 PM (Fs7RJ)
That's base...with an additional 8 in a bonus structure that we'll end up paying after he fucks up and runs the firm into the ground
hey..it worked for Rubin
Posted by: Schroeder's Gay Porn Collection at August 03, 2011 04:01 PM (AnTyA)
When is an internet connection going to be considered a "human right"?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 04:01 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 04:01 PM (k1rwm)
I'm seriously starting to doubt the NY bit. S/he/it is/are too stupid to function outside of a sanatorium. Picture the mother from Grosse Point Blank and you get the idea.
Posted by: Y-not the filtered at August 03, 2011 04:02 PM (5H6zj)
Can somebody compile the salient points on Why Trump Sucks? I really don't feel like rehashing that...
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at August 03, 2011 04:02 PM (Fs7RJ)
When is an internet connection going to be considered a "human right"?
As soon as Democrats can figure out a way to let only conservatives pay for it.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins, TEArorist at August 03, 2011 04:02 PM (ECjvn)
When the property owner defaults on the taxes and the state takes the property you don't have any rights as the renter, do you?
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 07:55 PM (tmdlA)
Not unless I'm armed and can take an innocent hostage.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 04:02 PM (qedIf)
just wanted to see it again in all its glory.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 03, 2011 04:02 PM (UrPTC)
That is scary, that somebody such as myself is actually capable of getting those 3 letters. Goes to show how worthless the title is...unless you can back up what you're saying.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 07:59 PM (c0A3e)
Don't look at me, the first instantiation of Gubnor Moonbeam signed my Pee Aitch Effin' Dee sheepskin, so you know what it's worth.
Posted by: No Whining at August 03, 2011 04:03 PM (7GfKM)
OK, if that was an intentional pun playing off of the capitalization inconsistencies, I salute you! If not, I still agree with you.
Posted by: Y-not the filtered at August 03, 2011 04:03 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 03, 2011 08:01 PM (c0A3e)
Ummm....ever since we paid $1 million per household connection out in East Bumfuck, Montana out of the stimulus money
Posted by: Schroeder's Gay Porn Collection at August 03, 2011 04:05 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 03, 2011 04:06 PM (cbyrC)
"It won't be corzine, it'll be Elizabeth Warren."
You are probably right...The Left creams their shorts over this woman. thank God she didn't get to control the new Financial Reform bureaucracy.
I do battle with alot of Left's at one of the economic Sites [alot of Economic Students and Professors], and so I studied up on Warren....she is straight up Commie to the bone.
I guess i would prefer Corzine over her...Corzine's an useful idiot, but she is going to do some serious damage...You Watch!......Mark It Down!
Posted by: Jimi at August 03, 2011 04:06 PM (JMsOK)
the SafeLink ads literally state "premium cell phones, with international calling, and text messaging" and "if you already collect food stamps you're eligible for the program!".
Why would they need international calling? Oh..........nevermind.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 03, 2011 04:07 PM (qedIf)
Based on what I've seen of New Yorkers, I actually believe it...
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at August 03, 2011 04:09 PM (Fs7RJ)
coherence. it's what's for dinner.
Posted by: Sybil at August 03, 2011 04:10 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 03, 2011 07:34 PM (agD4m)
-----------------
Pussy! You haven't even outlived your band, yet.
Joey - Dead.
Johnny - Dead.
Dee Dee - Dead.
The Ramones - Dead.
Me - still kickin'.
Posted by: Tommy Ramone at August 03, 2011 04:10 PM (xy9wk)
one of my friends would always say that no one stays long in the bush administration and I'm looking at the current administration and feeling that statement definitely applies to the economic group.
Secretary of the Treasury should be a tough one to get through, particularly in light of what has happened since this all began, but the republicans seem so worried about being PC so their PR people don't have to work so hard, that they frequently don't see what they should be seeing.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 04:10 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: rockmom at August 03, 2011 04:11 PM (lSyyU)
she's been "done" before and she rises like the phoenix.
Who do you think they will suggest?
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 04:13 PM (k1rwm)
You folks what deserve it have a nice time.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins, TEArorist at August 03, 2011 04:13 PM (ECjvn)
coherence. would you like a second helping? with a side of facepalm?
Posted by: Sybil at August 03, 2011 04:13 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Sybil at August 03, 2011 04:14 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: curious' inner defective dialogue at August 03, 2011 04:14 PM (2iy/D)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 03, 2011 08:02 PM (UrPTC)
Yeah, that sentence frag should have been edited out along with the rest of it. I tried posting an edit fail, but the MinxyGerbils shit the bed on me.
Posted by: garrett at August 03, 2011 04:16 PM (tmdlA)
Hannity had trump on this afternoon, was in traffic and heard the entire interview. I'd vote for trump. He sounds coherent compared to the republican bunch who were strangely quiet during this entire debt ceiling debacle. Yeah I know you guys think he'd be the ross perot guy in this election but heck the republicans have no balls.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 07:57 PM (k1rwm)
You're a brain dead barely functioning troll. You'd vote for a paper plate with a smiley face on it. Its funny that you say you'd vote for Trump when he was out there courting all the birthers, but you went and "researched" Palin and won't vote for her anymore because of some of her supporters devotion. But the guy going at the loons is the one you want.
Oh yeah and you're the dipshit that thinks Giuliani has a shot and the Ron Paul is legitimate. Dumbass gay pron linking, Trig Truther posting lying troll.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2011 04:16 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: The Urban Male at August 03, 2011 04:16 PM (agD4m)
@361: "Welcome to the party. Keep in mind the initiation is to strangle an illegal immigrant kitten with the lower intestine of a baby fur seal. (Extra points of the seal isn't dead yet...)"
Right, I finished with the grizzly bear. Now where's that prostitute I'm supposed to kill?
Posted by: Drunk, bloody Canadian lumberjack from a different joke at August 03, 2011 04:18 PM (xy9wk)
Nobody is paying attention to you anymore.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2011 04:24 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 08:10 PM (k1rwm)
You won't fucking stop with that shit, will you?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2011 04:25 PM (73tyQ)
You really should go read all your posts. Think about how you sound. think about what you are saying on a daily constant unrelenting basis. I see you guys have your moron meetups and don't dare go to any of them. Why? Because you are a very frightening person and I just might run into you.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 04:25 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Y-not the filtered at August 03, 2011 04:27 PM (5H6zj)
You are probably right...The Left creams their shorts over this woman. thank God she didn't get to control the new Financial Reform bureaucracy.
I do battle with alot of Left's at one of the economic Sites [alot of Economic Students and Professors], and so I studied up on Warren....she is straight up Commie to the bone.
I guess i would prefer Corzine over her...Corzine's an useful idiot, but she is going to do some serious damage...You Watch!......Mark It Down!"
Serious damage? That's my balliwick!
Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at August 03, 2011 04:27 PM (xy9wk)
@439
Curious,
I doubt any of the Morons would enjoy hangin out with you either....so it is all for the best!
Nobody wants to talk about how Mathew Tingle transfers down your leg when your Blowin him! Now go get your ShineBox!
Posted by: H8T trumps LUV at August 03, 2011 04:27 PM (JMsOK)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 08:25 PM (k1rwm)
Oh, so this is the personality we get now? We don't get the lovelorn man, we get the nagging shrew this time?
Tell us, how old are you? Exactly. I want to write this down.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2011 04:28 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2011 04:28 PM (oVQFe)
AMAZING.
Also to the dumb twittroll that says this ---
Think about how you sound.
Why don't you think about YOU sound, psycho.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 03, 2011 04:30 PM (2iy/D)
do you want all my ages or can i just add them up?
Posted by: Sybil at August 03, 2011 04:33 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Y-not the filtered at August 03, 2011 04:33 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Y-not the filtered at August 03, 2011 08:33 PM (5H6zj)
As does its ability to spell since its not sure on whether its Kabuki or Kabucki depending on the thread.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2011 04:35 PM (oVQFe)
Any US market cell phone will dial 911 without a SIM card, or the chip that the other cell providers use, inserted. This is any phone, prepaid, contract, etc. That's why battered women's shelters and other domestic abuse centers are always accepting donated old cell phones. There's no need for any kind of free prepaid minutes or calling plans, the phones themselves already have the 911 functionality.
Try taking a SIM card out of a phone and turning it on, the screen should say something like "emergency only" indicating that the phone will only dial 911.
SafeLink is nothing but a payoff to Tracfone Wireless to give freeloaders stuff at our expense.
Posted by: The Donkey Show at August 03, 2011 04:35 PM (ijjAe)
I don't care very much about that and I'm sure not paying for my own personal censor to scold me for making "bad" choices."
Liberals routinely divorce partners who dare to point out their bad choices but think that they have the right to interfere in the lives of complete strangers.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2011 04:37 PM (XUoX3)
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 03, 2011 04:38 PM (4sQwu)
"they have the right to interfere in the lives of complete strangers"
Try to be friends with one! All of a sudden they know "What Best For You!"
Posted by: H8T trumps LUV at August 03, 2011 04:39 PM (JMsOK)
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 08:25 PM (k1rwm)
Oh, so this is the personality we get now? We don't get the lovelorn man, we get the nagging shrew this time?
Tell us, how old are you? Exactly. I want to write this down.
Amish, I think curious is the former Palin Steele, the same inane tone.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2011 04:42 PM (XUoX3)
The problem being, Ace, that their numbers are legion. And Chairman Zero and his friends in the MFM are drilling in the meme with the hugescreen TVs . . .
That little faggot got his own jet airplane.
That little faggot he's a millionaire.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 03, 2011 04:44 PM (4sQwu)
Doubtful. They are ALL inane.
Posted by: Troll taxidermist at August 03, 2011 04:44 PM (agD4m)
"they have the right to interfere in the lives of complete strangers"
Try to be friends with one! All of a sudden they know "What Best For You!"
Try being related to one. "You know what you problem is" will pop up in any given conversation no matter how innocuous.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2011 04:45 PM (XUoX3)
Amish, I think curious is the former Palin Steele, the same inane tone.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2011 08:42 PM (XUoX3)
No, I think curious is a multi-person troll.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2011 04:46 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Mullah of the, Upper Peninsula Heh-zbolla at August 03, 2011 04:52 PM (VqdOZ)
Posted by: Mullah Tea-Baggins of the Upper Peninsula Heh-zbolla at August 03, 2011 04:54 PM (VqdOZ)
Posted by: Mullah of the, Upper Peninsula Heh-zbolla at August 03, 2011 08:52 PM (VqdOZ)
They have no response when I advocate single-payer for lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2011 05:05 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Jumpin' Joe! at August 03, 2011 05:54 PM (So+7G)
heard someone ask guiliani if he will run today and he didn't say no.
I dared to criticize the chosen one, Sarah Palin and the other chosen one, mittens romney care, so you their cult followers feel you have to trounce me. It's fascinating actually. Oh and I also said maybe perry flies in texas but he won't fly in the rest of the country.
Oddly enough you guys buy into the unproven, particularly Sarah Palin who gave up in the middle of her governorship. And mittens romneycare who uses his "but I had a democratic legislature routine, adding that he's proud of his massachusettes healthcare debacle, aka romneycare. And some of you want to shove another texas governor down the throats of the nation. the scariest comments concern the fact that perry has "nice hair".
why not try a proven leader, a trump, a guiliani, a bolton, someone who has actually accomplished something, someone who might have a scintilla of a chance to actually fix this mess and won't panic? Heck, Ron Paul would be better than the three stooges you guys keep touting. Even folks like anne coulter see the paucity in the current crop, she's begging Christie to run. You guys want another John McCain, someone who will in the middle of the campaign endorse their opponent.
You are asking me questions? Demanding my age? Yet I'm having the few conservative friends I have read some of your comments and they are saying to me that some of you haven't got a legitimate conservative bone in your body and, in fact, might be part of Ax's blog squad.
Some of you better do a little thinking cause if we don't have someone to come in and do clean up and fast we are in for a bumpy ride. Funny Paul Ryan the darling of some of you guys was roundly criticized by trump today for coming in with a plan before the president did and actually covering for the president. Just like trump basically said today this bill handed BO a second term and negotiations were totally mishandled. And I'm the one you call psycho and stupid.
Posted by: curious at August 03, 2011 06:30 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2011 06:39 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: The Gentlemen’s Hour Audiobook at August 03, 2011 06:56 PM (5sfx4)
Unasked Question 2: Do you want one from me?
Posted by: Helen Thomas at August 03, 2011 05:47 PM (IhzyJ)
Scarier unasked question: Do you want to give me one?
Posted by: ExExZonie at August 03, 2011 07:33 PM (9gvjb)
Posted by: Polazerus at August 04, 2011 04:12 AM (zji3t)
*They might have some slight reason to wonder, because even an ignorant dolt must realize that the money used by the government, taken forcibly from those other 49%, is not limitless, and they must therefore exercise at least some caution, restraint, or prioritization. However, they are also constantly being fed the line that the rich aren't paying enough, and we could always get more golden eggs from, without any negative affect whatsoever on the goose, so...
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