1 As I linked to in the last thread, even rock musicians are hating on him.

2 Arrr...

The blog be listin' 25 degrees to starboard...

arrr...

3 I know my semi-liberalgirlfriend now thinks he's a scoamf, but that's about all theanecdotal evidence I have.

4 No one - NO ONE - can actually stand him. And I know mostly liberal Dems in the Philly region. No one can stand him.

5 The same theory could account for O'Bumble's resolute refusal to acknowledge the intellectual bankruptcy of his worldview.  He's go too much invested in it to ever change, regardless of the weight of the adverse evidence.

6 I would also mention that this is the same sort of process that happened to liberals during the Iraq war.

7 does this work?

8 Either someone left an html tag open or we've been infiltrated by Italians.

9 test plus Perry Passes on Pompous Pompadoured PoseurÂ’s Presidential. . . Debate December 8, 2011 2:58 P.M. By Daniel Foster

10 I only get silence from those that supported him, and I don't press them for reasons of decor.

11 Let's figure out how to afford socialism. PS Nice work, tasker.

12 Obama Tuesday in Kansas:

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If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the Internet.
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Obama in his own 2011 State of the Union:

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That [government spending] is what planted the seeds for the Internet. That's what helped make possible things like computer chips and GPS. Just think of all the good jobs – from manufacturing to retail – that have come from those breakthroughs.
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13 Yeh, but the other side is evil, so how do you square that?

Oh, wait, cognitive dissonance is the expected state for liberals.

14 I work as a history teacher and the leftists in my school will NEVER admit that they were wrong or that Obama is anything less than what they tried to sell him as. They are so far in the tank for the guy both on a personal and professional level that his failings will always be transferred onto the evil "rethuglicans", or any other suitable scapegoat.

15 Anecdotally, what's your sense? Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan -- the sort of fence-sitters and bandwagon-jumpers you could expect to vote for Obama when that seems to be the "right thing to do,"

I try to avoid having these sorts of people in my life. In the cases that I do we don't talk politics.

16 One problem with your theory Media ego is boundless.

17 This is no Dream!!!!This is real!!!!
Rosemary's. baby......

18

No, around here the Obamabots are still marching off the cliff with him.

(Colorado)

19 Unsurprisingly, here in Southern Clownifornia I never hear anything disparaging about Earflaps McBaritone, outside of my household. What I no longer hear is people complaining about the government in Washington. No more blaming of the gubmint for the economy like I heard prior to 2009. I re-emphasize, this is Southern Clownifornia, where actual physical and mathematical constants appear to be different than the rest of the world.

20 It's still Bush's fault. Except where the Jews are at fault.

21 I actually hate him, so there's one.

22 Two of the three Obama voters I work with have both said very positive things about Romney leading me to believe they will vote for Romney over Obama, but they would never admit it. The third democrat I work with is unhappy the country is unhappy with Obama and doesn't think Obama is far enough to the left. The apolitical types I know, maybe one or two, generally think Obama is sucky because the economy is sucky. They would be inclined to vote against Obama, but might not depending on who the Republican nominee is.

23
Yep, Buyer's Remorse is sometimes difficult to come to, but when you do you're kinda pissed.  Hopefully, many (10% +) of his supporters have achieved this point and aren't at the "this mower can still work if I pay more to fix it" stage.

24 Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 08, 2011 03:04 PM (YhQHa) And the typical blue state libtard sees no contradiction whatsoever between those two statements. Because... shut up.

25 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

26 That tipping point is going to be harder to get to because a lot of the voters still have that "we made history" aspect of their vote.  The guy buying the lawnmower doesn't have that.  Now if the company that built the lawnmower donated a large portion of their profits to saving unicorns?  Well the fellow with that lawnmower may not ever regret his purchase.  That's what's going on with a lot of the voters.

27 I don't detect any shift. The one black guy I work with never admits a mistake about anything, and he voted for Zero only because he was Democrat and black. The other black guy I work with is ex-military, hated Zero from the beginning, still hates him. One other liberal here can't find his dick without a diagram so I don't ask him. The rest were Zero haters from the beginning and remain so.

28 The apolitical types I know, maybe one or two, generally think Obama is sucky because the economy is sucky. "Apolitical" apparently now means an inability to correlate cause and effect.

29 That tipping point is going to be harder to get to because a lot of the voters still have that "we made history" aspect of their vote.
Posted by: Dang

Yeah, but you only make history of that kind once. The bloom's off of that rose.

30 I do believe I read 'boy' in this post. It's in there somewhere.

31 My sense? There's gonna be lots and lots of "tolerant", independent, middle class, suburban white voters, women in particular, who are gonna WTF themselves, and shake their heads in denial or disbelief, when they're behind the curtain and voting for someone else next November.

32 I don't know any pro-Obama types who have changed their mind.

33 A good chunk of my friends are liberal idiots in the DC area. They, of course, love him and think that guys like Paul Ryan are the devil.

34
Obama.

Worst U.S. investment, ever.

35 Arr..

We be sailin' the seven seas on an even keel again...

arrr...

36

This new narrative has the great advantage of confessing an incorrect decision while not confessing any fault in arriving at that incorrect decision. [Ace]

It's not exactly a 'new narrative'. ....They've been using that same narrative to excuse people from any responsibility for their decisions....such as in the Subprime Lending mess.

'It's the evil Banksters fault. They were making predatory loans!'

Now, they are going to apply this to people's decision to vote for Obama? ....I hope it bites them in the ass. ....Because, if people are going to start saying "We were fooled!", then who was it that was doing the fooling of them?

 

37 Man oh man, what a confused bunch of twaddle from Ace.

38 It's called cognitive dissonance where good people will go to any lengths to rationalize their bad decisions.

39 I hear plenty of people down on Obama in my part of Southern California. But then, I'm in Buck McKeon's (R) district.

40 Everyone I interact with personally mumbles "fucker" or "asshole" every time the name Obama is pronounced.

41
Damn Corzine Sock.

Anecdotally, what's your sense? Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan

Of the few supporters I know, they just don't want to talk about it when previously they were all ga ga.

Of the others, they have no clue, still think F & F is about the movie.

42 So has anybody gotten a response from Osama about Obama's appeasement?  Has Barry indicated where this question might be asked? 

Barack Obama is an insane SCOAMF.

43 The only thing missing from this post is a noose.

44 The big shift won't happen until the media breaks against Obama. Left inclined individuals will continue to accept as true the excuses and blame shifting by the media, not to mention the lack of substantive reporting on any scandals. This is much easier on the ego.

The question is, what will it take for the MFM to finally turn on him? Professionally, they've taken a huge amount of abuse from him with only the slightest complaint. I think they'd rather imperil the nation by dragging him over the finish line than admit the dream is dead and give the right any satisfaction.

45 I'm hearing a lot of remorseful callers lately, new to talk radio apologizing for voting for Obama.

I run in a mixed circle and the apolitical people that get their news from the Daily Show seem to be waking up to the scoamfiness.  The liberals, not so much.  No, they are hanging their hat on Obama got Osama and Healthcare.

All the conservatives I know hate him with the heat of a thousand suns.

46 As an Angels fan today, I have a feeling the sunken cost theory will come back and bite me in the ass by the end of the decade.

47 The die-hards are getting downright nasty and in-your-face about their support for Obama. That tells me they know they're losing.

48
Posted by: Rex the Wonder Dildo at December 08, 2011 03:09 PM (vahvH)

Get back under the stairs!

49 Because, if people are going to start saying "We were fooled!", then who was it that was doing the fooling of them? Why, evil Republicans and John McCain, of course. It's their fault Obama hasn't delivered those federal unicorn vouchers.

50 I am still better then you because I voted for the Black man and you voted for the White guy. My life may be in total disarray, no job, no money and no future for me or my kids but I am not a RACIST!!

51 Most of the people I know who supported Obama just aren't talking about him.  As you say, it's a kind of shame at a bad choice.  Others, on the other hand, seem to be doubling-down that, no, of course Obama was a great choice, and he'll be an even better choice in 2012.

52 a year or two ago I was in Orange County, CA, getting a haircut and the female barber offered up, "So, Obama's not that good, huh?" sua sponte.

53
Imagine a moonbat lesbian college sophomore as president...

54 I really don't know any pro-Obama people in my inner circle at this point in my life. I've rid myself of them. I can still talk to them casually. But I don't want to spend any type of quality type of these people.

I can't understand the mindset of friends who would continue to vote their kids into debt. It's mindboggling.

And more importantly, I don't respect them. It's hard to be friends with people you no longer respect.

55 I wouldn't know. I told pretty much everybody I knew that voted for the piece of shit SCOAMF to fuck off and die shortly after he took office and never spoke to them again. It was no great loss as most of them were drug-addled, unemployed, basement-dwelling douchebags.

56 >>>The big shift won't happen until the media breaks against Obama. What? That will not happen until three weeks after his defeat in the election.

57 The Obama supporters I know are all still all-in.  Mostly because Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are the only "news" they watch regularly.

58 Ace, point of order:

It's always "sunk cost", not "sunken cost". Comes from the "sunk cost fallacy".

Great post and analysis.

59 are you detecting any shifts here?

I don't go out of my way to inquire -- most of the time -- but I do sometimes get "Like" feedback on facebook from unexpected sources when I post or link to material that describes how Barky has screwed us over, even if he's not named explicitly.
My SIL, who lives and works in NYC, underwent the biggest conversion once Barky got on his "if you earn $250,000 and above, you are rich and need to pay your fair share" jeremiads.

60 Judging from the few libtards I work with, Bush Derangement Syndrome is preventing their recovery from being Obamites.

61 All my white Liberal friends are appalled and completely over him. All of my hard-core union friends and most of my black friends are still enjoying the Kool-Aid, but two of my black friends are also pretty disappointed in him, and don't plan on voting for him next time.

The union goons are the worst.

62 The hard core still thinks he's doin' just peachy. My colleagues are mostly libs, and they say it straight up: Yes, they think he's doing a good job. It's incomprehensible to me, because I can't think of much that he's done that  a liberal OR a conservative would be pleased with. But they're stickin' with him, continue to blame it on Bush/GOP, continue say (about the economy) that it's different this time, not his fault, blah blah blah

However, I do not see such loyalty in my friends  who are more middle of the road and a little less forgiving. Therefore, I'm stickin' with conventional wisdom. Obama will get his core 40% and some indies, but not enough to offset a more energized GOP and a larger share of the indies.

63 Anecdotally, what's your sense? Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan -- the sort of fence-sitters and bandwagon-jumpers you could expect to vote for Obama when that seems to be the "right thing to do," and who would be uncomfortable expressing their dissatisfaction with him unless they began to believe such a statement was socially permissible -- are you detecting any shifts here?

These people fell for HOPE! because they thought that by virtue of the fact that Obama was one of the major party's nominated candidate, he came with the Media stamp of approval - meaning that they assumed that he was vetted and that all the issues were aired fully.

I don't know how much they're paying attention, unless and until the stagnant economy makes them pay attention.

64 Let us note that anyone who gets their news from "The Daily Show" is not apolitical but an ignoramus.

65 Checking out a new kindle fire. Hoping it wasn't a bad purchase.

66 Obama and a lawn mower: one is a shiftless thing that spends all its time riding around on grass, and the other is a lawn mower.

67 59 Yep.We need to make sure they get the chance.

68 Among the people I know that voted for Obama, Obama's ineffectiveness has only illustrated how horribly Bush left the country. Any failing of Obama is simply transferred to Bush. That's for some at least. The second group knows Obama sucks, but still likes him personally (which i don't really get), so they spend their time focusing on the shortcomings of the Republican candidates, as if they are looking for reasons why a Republican would be worse (my wife belongs in this category).

69

Anecdotally, what's your sense? Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan -- the sort of fence-sitters and bandwagon-jumpers you could expect to vote for Obama when that seems to be the "right thing to do," and who would be uncomfortable expressing their dissatisfaction with him unless they began to believe such a statement was socially permissible -- are you detecting any shifts here?

Not really but I don't know that many in the middle types.  Maybe my sil but we don't talk politics much at all.

My uncle is an Obamabot and it's gotten to the point that I can't talk to him about anything without him bringing up how great Obama is.  I was helping my parents get skype working to talk to him and he started in on Obama almost immediately and I turned and walked out of the room.  Even that wasn't enough to get the point across that maybe we shouldn't discuss Obama.

70
He's just using that as an excuse to make the lawnmowing experience as inelegant as possible.

71 Happens to me all the time.... I am too honest to pawn off my crappy purchases for a profit. I take a hit and move on to what I should HAVE bought in the first place. I am not buying Newt or Mittens or Obama. I have not been able to re-sell McLame on e-bay. I would be happy with the Rick Perry model. I know the audio is a little glitchy - but I can live with that.

72 I fell off the McGovern bandwagon in July, 1972.  I walked around like a zombie for two years, and then began voting against the Democrats by voting for the Republicans--with vengeance in my heart.

For years I never told anyone.

I eventually registered Republican.

There should be many, many in exactly the same circumstance today.

Jack

73  The liberals, not so much.  No, they are hanging their hat on Obama got Osama and Healthcare.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 08, 2011 03:11 PM (4136b)

I should also mention that I'm in Minnesota, surrounded by mouth-breathing marmosets who elect pro wrestlers & comedians.

74
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Newt vs Obama, but only slightly.

I find it comforting when the fools at MSNBC spout off with ridiculous criticism for Newt and then act like they're giving helpful advice to the GOP when they say Newt would be a poor choice.

75 Yup. Associations with that Muslim prick from the video that some newspaper won't release, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, ACORN, career community organizer (which means he believes in the professional victim mentality). And people want to operate on the self delusion that they were misled about him. And what kind of half wit thinks that Chicago politics is a good place to look for a presidential candidate? Mafiosos have more integrity than Chicago politicians.

76 I did overhear some people here at work making fun of the GOP field.

I asked them to tell me which candidate went on late night tv and made jokes about the mentally retarded.

That shut them up real quick.

I mean, there's just so much material to embarrass these people about their vote. Take your pick.

77 Posted by: alexthechick at December 08, 2011 03:16 PM (VtjlW)

Respond by telling him how awesome Bush was and what a great job he did with the War on Terror and watch the veins in his neck start throbbing.

78 I'm seeing lots of people, while they can't think of anything good about Obama, still focusing on "He's better than those damn racist homophobic misogynist fascist Republicans!!!!"  Plus, there are still quite a few who are enthusiastic about Obamacare, and using the fact that the world hasn't ended yet as proof that all the bad predictions are wrong (even though it hasn't gone into effect yet).

79

All my cop friends hate him like nothing else, most of them are L.A. County sheriffs. Most of my teacher friends are split, half blame the rich, half blame the union for screwing them over because they are all young.

/You know it's bad when most of the successful people you know are in the public sector

80 All I have is my own, rather unscientific study to go on. Everyone I see on I-80 between exit 30 and exit 12 who is sporting an Obozo '12 sticker gets a full arm, full extension, window all the way down, middle finger. So in blue NJ, it's like once every 2 weeks so far. That's pretty good.

81 based on your anecdotes, I am sensing the anecdotal data is in line with the polling data.

82  67 Let us note that anyone who gets their news from "The Daily Show" is not apolitical but an ignoramus.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at December 08, 2011 03:15 PM (AZGON)

Agreed.

83
Obama, Spender of Loot, Loser of Drones,

84 Dunno - I live in Park Slope, Brooklyn, aka Berkeley East, so I don't talk politics with anyone, ever.

85

10 .....Perry Passes on Pompous Pompadoured PoseurÂ’s Presidential. . . Debate
December 8, 2011 2:58 P.M.
By Daniel Foster 

Really? Perry has declined the Donald? ......Good for him.

People will try to call him 'weak' for not attending. But that one is so tainted, it would've looked sort of unseemly for a sitting Governor to have attended it.

86 KoЯn hates him!
Never been much of a fan, but I am now!

87 Oh, and I just had lunch at a diner. You should have heard the conversation of the middle aged women behind me. Not happy with the pres, and not happy with the occutards.

88

Yes Virginia, Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

89
Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan -- the sort of fence-sitters and bandwagon-jumpers you could expect to vote for Obama when that seems to be the "right thing to do," and who would be uncomfortable expressing their dissatisfaction with him unless they began to believe such a statement was socially permissible -- are you detecting any shifts here?

I live in the San Loonfrisco Bay Area.

Here, no such statement is, was, or ever will be socially permissible.

If you speak even the smallest word of criticism about Obama -- or pretty much for that matter any African-American liberal Democrat -- no matter how neutral and factual your comment, you will be instantly damned and ostracized as a vicious, unregenerate racist of Bull Connor type.

Full stop. End of story.

90 @49 As a Cardinals fan, I'm relieved I won't have the opportunity to have buyer's remorse 5 or 6 years from now.

91
Obama, Citizen of World, Slayer of Jobs

92 Behind the lines here in Jersey, in the belly of the Beast in Princeton where the family is, Obama is the best thing since ice-cream. Conservatives are actively shunned. They'll vote for him again. Where I live in Toms River (South Jersey), it's much more conservative. Where I work (North Jersey), it is a slightly more moderate version of Princeton (Conservatives can be found).

93 I've also pretty much cut off any social interaction with people who supported this jerk as president. However, the ones I knew are the ones who are somewhat insulated by mommy and daddy's money. Which means things would have to go a lot further downhill for them. By which time all of us without a rich family will be eating cat food. Thanks for nothing, stupid former friends.

94 It's easy to turn people around from supporting the SCOAMF without wounding their egos -- just tell them that the MSM gave them bad or incomplete information. "Why, don't fret Mister Disappointed Voter! You were fooled, that's all! Now that you know it was all a hoax you can vote GOP with a clear conscience and get back at those dastardly liars."

95 Ace, you and Geraghty are describing some of the basic tenets of Consumer Behavior theory. First is cognitive dissonance then comes buyer's remorse.
The remorse part is where the ego resists the admission of the buyer's bad choice.The state of dissonance and stress continues for some time until the noise/stress becomes so overwhelming that the ego craves to shed the negative stimuli. Now lots of moderates and even some Center Left people were way too invested in the Bush bad, Obama good dialectic that they had a hard time giving into the realization of the SCoaMF paradigm. In consumer behavior there is also a concept of "Catastrophe Theory" which essentially states that a person's view of a product or service can and will change when the dissonance reaches an intense (catastrophic) level at which point the consumer will use any excuse (I had a squishy center right moderate who voted for Obama tell me at Thanksgiving that he got "conned" (deceived) by Obama) to mitigate their "bad" decision or in some cases people will admit to themselves that the decision was wrong and simply take action to aquire the opposite or alternative. I predict a lot
more people will be falling off the "precipice" of the Catastrophe theory point. And many of them will just do it quietly when they get to the voting booth in Nov 2012. Polling won't identify these people. These theories make me pretty confident the we won't have a SCoaMF as president elect this time next year!

96 I believe the proper term for your purchase is Cognitive Clusterf--k

97

> are you detecting any shifts here?

NO. In fact, the Obama voters I know are doubling down. You see, it's all George Bush/the banks/Wall Street/the Republicans' fault. The Lightworker from Chicago is doing the best he can with the shitty hand he was dealt, and if you can't see that, you're a racist/warmonger/greedhead.

98

All I have is my own, rather unscientific study to go on. Everyone I see on I-80 between exit 30 and exit 12 who is sporting an Obozo '12 sticker gets a full arm, full extension, window all the way down, middle finger. So in blue NJ, it's like once every 2 weeks so far.

I can tell you in Chicago, IL there ain't that many O bumper stickers left. Most of them have disappeared.

Now I have to go back to guessing which drivers I should cut off.

99 Anecdotally, when I talk politics with AA - they are almost universally willing to accept the statement that Colin Powell would have been a better first black president. They aren't quite buying into the "he is only half black" argument , yet.

100

Great question!

I get a mixed bag of answers, really. But many are wavering....answers based on race are as you would expect it to be. Others, those who thought Obama was the man to be a different kind of leader, one of justice and grace, are swaying in the wind.

101

" . . . are you detecting any shifts here?"

No. I couldn't stand anyone who was vocally supportive of that lying junk-sack sucker back in 08. I still can't stand them and when they try to apologize to me I put my fingers in my ears and yell nah nah nah . . .

On the other hand, I have a sister who voted wrong in that election and she has pretty much taken to running and hiding in a closet whenever dumbo's name gets mentioned.

Given that she never used to hide in closets, I'd say that's a shift.

102 I do not speak to nazis, socialists, filthy hippies, or any other domestic Enemy of the Constitution. So I dunno, no human I know voted for the man.

103 WTH?

104 er, what Robert said.

105
Chris Matthews just said Newt has horns growing out of his skull and pitch-forked tail.

How can you nominate this devil???

106 In other words, buyers remorse?

107 84 based on your anecdotes, I am sensing the anecdotal data is in line with the polling data.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)

So our agony, ecstasy and orgy of poll dancing is at an end, then? Or at least until CO'D declares she's running for a DE Senate seat next year?

108 Posted by: Jones at December 08, 2011 03:22 PM (8sCoq)

I see you know my family personally.

109
I'm starting to think Chris Matthews believes he sees monsters when looks at Republicans.

110 I live in the San Loonfrisco Bay Area. Here, no such statement is, was, or ever will be socially permissible. It's almost that bad in most parts of Southern Clownifornia. Look, our state re-elected Jerry Fucking Brown. Nothing rational ever happens here.

111
I will say there does seem to be a whole lot less OdipO '12 bumper stickers than one would suspect.

112 #49, Adam, hail from St. Louis here.  You are ever so right.........  Actually we all think he's a prick.

113 Ask them to explain why a House, Senate, and WH controlled by Democrats spent nearly one trillion dollars on one "jobs bill" and increased our unemployment by two percent.

114

I can't speak to the state of mind of specific individuals of my acquaintance, but I can speak to the overall aura I've detected in the last year or so here in my little neck of the woods. 

I've mentioned previously that where I work in Concord, NH, I have seen a marked uptick in anti-Obama bumper stickers.  Concord is the capital of NH, and as such it has a heavy preponderance of leftist political hacks who work in the political bureaucracy.  These are the people who have the "I'm SEIU and I Vote!" (like that's something to be proud of?) and "I'm voting for kids!" (as in, the aborting thereof?) and "NHPR" and "Coexist" bumper stickers all over the rear bumpers of their Subaru Outbacks.  It used to be that those were the norm around here, but not anymore.  I am now just as likely to see a "NObama" or "One. Big. Ass. Mistake. America" bumper sticker as I am to see an "Obama/Biden 2008" on someone's rear fender. 

I don't think that this new flurry of local anti-Obama feeling is coming from previously pro-Obama supporters.  Rather I think it's anti-Obama people who have always been anti-Obama, but who are just now feeling it's "safe" to actually come out and express their contempt openly without having to worry that some dickhead OWS wannabe will come along and key your car because you're a member of the "fascist elite."  That's still a concern, but not as much so as it was immediately after the Chosen One was Anointed.

I view the groundswell anti-Obama sentiment as a precursor to an eventual backlash the likes of which have never been seen in American politics.  And I say that without any implied hyperbole.  Those who never liked Obama but were worried about speaking up are finally finding their voices.  I fully expect that soon they will be followed by those who voted for Obama because they really thought he could bring something fresh to the public discourse, and they've seen how dreadfully he's performed in office.  Then you'll get the converts who voted for him because he was "historic," only to find out the only thing historic about him is his ability for historic failure.  Last will be the diehards who believed every golden falsehood that fell from his purple lips, and who have been kicked repeatedly in the solar plexus by every broken promise. 

The expectations for Obama were so high -- stupidly so, and disbelieved by anyone with an ounce of basic intelligence -- that the fall from his ivory tower is going to lead to a very, VERY hard landing when he comes down to earth.

115 He lost pretty much everybody but the black vote in Louisiana the minute he did that offshore drilling moratorium. The damage he did to the Democrats here was so bad that you had politicians switching parties who expressly said that they didn't think it was politically viable to be a Democrat in Louisiana after what Obama has done.

116 Posted by: Jones at December 08, 2011 03:22 PM (8sCoq)

I see you know my family personally.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 08, 2011 03:23 PM (YhQHa)

 

'sup, Cuz.

117 I work as a history teacher and the leftists in my school will NEVER admit that they were wrong or that Obama is anything less than what they tried to sell him as. They are so far in the tank for the guy both on a personal and professional level that his failings will always be transferred onto the evil "rethuglicans", or any other suitable scapegoat.

Posted by: DeusExMachina at December 08, 2011 03:04 PM (v1tkC)

Well, it's not like they're wrong.  He sold himself as an all knowing, socialist dictator, and that's exactly what we're seeing.

118 The question is, what will it take for the MFM to finally turn on him?

The next Dem to primary Obama.  Maybe Hillary! will get the balls to do it, and then you'll see everyone start jumping on the SCOAMF bandwagon saying how fucking awesome it is to have a real accomplished woman like Hillary! get in the race and fix all the problems and deficiencies that Obama had.

119 I have only one family member who voted for Obama. ....She is now on the verge of bankruptcy and is in danger of having to close her small business. ....She now looks longingly back to the Bush days when her business was going like gangbusters. And has nothing good to say about Obama. She's hoping that Perry makes a comeback, because she thinks he's hot. (sheesh)

120 "If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the Internet." Yeah, remember the good old days, when if you got out of work at 6, you couldn't access the money in your bank account? Good times.

121 I'm kornfuzed ...

122 I knew many obama voters and I beat them up from the beginning and at first they were like "give him a chance" then it was "but McCain would have been worse" then it became "uggh what a dolt" (don't know if self is dolt or obama dolt, probably both) now it is "just please shut up, you are making it even worse."

I have a couple of liberal sisters who I do not discuss politics with at all  because they are very important to me so I don't have any anecdotal evidence from the really left.

123 Who's on first ..

124 "If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the Internet." Let's put those people to work building pipelines and refineries, and off shore oil rigs.

125
You could then further assume that those blindly still supporting King Putt despite being disappointed by his performance have had their ego's ass kicked by their id's.

Moral of the story.

Leftism... putting the id in idiot.

126

I can't take credit for a version of this statement that I saw on another blog (or maybe it was this one):  "If you voted for Obama to prove you weren't a racist, you are now obligated to vote against him in 2012 to prove you're not an abject idiot."

My brother in law, who voted for Obama because of his hatred for Bush now admits that Obama is a SCOAMF and says he would sooner vote for a cast iron skillet than Obama.  Also, I don't know a soul who didn't vote for him in 2008 who intends to vote for him now (pardon the double negative). 

 

127 To hear the lefties talk, why, Obama's practically a Republican.

Yes, they really think that.  He didn't immediately end the war in Iraq, didn't close Gitmo, renewed the Bush tax cuts, sent more troops to Afghanistan, didn't hold out for socialized health care, and didn't fund every one of their pet projects.

So yeah- a lot of them are disillusioned, but when it the Evil Greedy Republican starts taking shots at Obama, they'll rally around the flag and end up voting for him anyways.  Just somewhat less enthusiastically than last time.

128 I'm going to work over my stepdaughter when she joins us for Christmas using the approach, "I don't see how anyone under age 30 can vote Democrat because they are perfectly content with leaving your generation laboring in harness until you drop by opposing any meaningful changes in Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security - for all of which you will pay and pay and pay."

129

 

 

He's black, so he's awesome.

I think that's enough thinkin' for me today, my brains hurt.

 

130 I voted for John McDeere

131 The press won't concern themselves with the deficit or unemployment.

They've got bigger fish to fry....

132 I had a long conversation with a left of center guy yesterday, whom I have known for some time, which was quite illuminating. He was heavily defending the OWS crew, and bringing out many talking points about the "evil rich". I listened to him rant about Exxon and all of their ill-gotten profits. When I asked about BHO, he winced, and admitted "yeah, he has been a complete and total failure." When I pushed harder, he admitted "he's just too far left." I about fell out of my chair. For this guy to say that, it was a pretty huge admission and pretty damning evidence that the white working class has gone full tilt against him. While only anecdotal, this guy has voted for dems for the last 6 elections. When I see relatively hardcore, lifetime dems turning against him, I can sense he is about to be a confirmed one-termer.

133 Yeah all the Obama zombies that were cheering and running to his election in 2008 are now silent and shut up when discussing politics. Even when one guy at work was ranting calling Obama a muslim, the one Obama voting black chick just took it, when before it woulda been a free for all. Also, the people that voted for Obama and realize he sucks, they tend to just sit there and say how shitty the Republican field is and repeat word for word the spin of the day of the Republican front runner "Cain is just a pizza man", "Gingrich has too much baggage women will never vote for him", "Perry is stupid", meanwhile the fuck they voted for they wont talk about.

134

#49, Adam, hail from St. Louis here.  You are ever so right.........  Actually we all think he's a prick.

I have relatives from the area, I awoke this morning to find text messages letting me know I was kicked out of the family. I had no clue what the hell was going on until I turned on ESPN.

135 Only one comedy central leftard I know of has expressed discontent with the SCOaMF.  His Christmas display is a giant lighted peace sign. 

He popped a circuit after Libya.  He reallly realllly thought the JEF was not a warmonger like Booooooooooooosh. He felt he'd been had.

The rest? still stupid after all these years.

136 What I no longer hear is people complaining about the government in Washington. No more blaming of the gubmint for the economy like I heard prior to 2009.

Someone should do a post of things that used to be the fault of the sitting president but which no longer are-

1-Gas prices

2-Affronts to the dignity of our military (body parts cremated and then sent to landfill)

3- Homelessness

137

>"If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the Internet."

Sure- 10-20 fucking years ago. In 2011, this statement is no longer operative.

 

By the way, Mr President, you stupid fuck- when I go inside my bank to get a cashier's check or take money out of savings, I am waited on BY A FUCKING BANK TELLER, you sorry-ass bucket of codswallop.

138 I have noticed that some of my more liberal friends have either turned on him, or have admitted he is either a SCOAMF or at least not what he was cracked up to be. I can think of three examples off the top of my head.

139 I have a very liberal friend, who is looking hard at all the Republican candidates. She knows that Obama is a SCOAMF, just not in those exact terms, and the beauty is, he is making her think outside of her usual box..... her dream candidate got elected, and all unicorn dreams did not come true.... she is actually willing to listen to what I and other conservatives have to say, and to think about it, and agrees with some of it. This guy is making some people start to get it.

140 Checking out a new kindle fire. Hoping it wasn't a bad purchase.

I like mine; it does what I expected of it.  For $200, I can't complain.

Being restricted to WiFi is sometimes a pain, but I wasn't ready to shell out even more money to Verizon for another data plan.

141 Among people you rate as apolitical and nonpartisan -- the sort of fence-sitters and bandwagon-jumpers you could expect to vote for Obama when that seems to be the "right thing to do," and who would be uncomfortable expressing their dissatisfaction with him unless they began to believe such a statement was socially permissible -- are you detecting any shifts here?
----
The best examples I have are people who are apolitical and would probably only vote if their family members dragged them to the polls.  Unfortunately, since those folks are related to union members (UAW and teachers' union), they will probably vote for Obama. 


Also, I actually don't react the way you describe in your major purchase example.  Maybe most people do, but I don't. 

What I do do is steadfastly avoid doing additional research into other models after I've bought whatever it is I've bought.  I figure ignorance is bliss at that stage of the game. 

142

In my circle of lefty friends and associates, there are currently two positions...

1. He's just being held back by the evil rethuglikkkans and it's not his fault, he's doing the best he can!!!!

2. Anger that he's giving in to the evil rethuglikkkans and he's practically an R himself.

The 'moderates' I know just don't talk politics and act like you're torturing them if it comes up.  Therefore I think we're fucked.

143 Also, has anyone her noticed anectdotally that anyone that voted for Obama or supports him can't defend anything he does without automatically assuming you voted for Bush and going on an anti-Bush rant? Hell the other day I heard "Hes cleaning up the mess from the last 8 years _____" and I thought to myself, but Obama has been president for fucking three of those dumbass you aint good at math are you?

144
I like how hope & change are gonna be shoved right back up Obama's ass in '12.

145

Now I have to go back to guessing which drivers I should cut off.

Glad I don't have that problem, NY plates doing 64 in the left lane and anyone spoting any combination of Odumbass, Slow Joe, '08 and '12.

146 I'm losing track of threads and I'm not sure if this was discussed here this week.

Dems are losing support in battleground states.

Thank God for small wonders.

147

I don't think it is a sense of hate as much as apathy. I know people who hate him, but more for a sense of what he represents. He doesn't have a personality strong enough to hate. He barely fights for his own causes. He just lobs out his opinion and asks others to fight the battle for him. To me he seems passionless. Bush made it easy for the left, like him or hate him he had personality. Obama is just a collection of superlatives.

148 As others have mentioned, my sense is the Bush Derangement Syndrome is still more powerful than reality. Any failings of the JEF are all the fault of Bush because he left us in such bad shape. And no, it does not matter that the JEF has had 3 years; they'll just say Bush had 8.  They are, however, not happy warriors like the first go 'round--they're angry this time, angry and defensive.

It's depressing as hell but the GOP needs to come to grips with the fact that no matter who we nominate and no matter how bad things get or what the JEF does--he will get a bare minimum of 45% to 47% of the vote.

I still don't think we've come to grips with just how badly Bush not fighting back damaged the GOP brand; to the point that 3+ years into the worst economy in 50 years and there are still a near majority of people who will not consider voting GOP.

149
Hope & Change

brought to you by Goldman Sachs

150 KoЯn hates him!
Never been much of a fan, but I am now!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 08, 2011 03:20 PM (Qxdfp)

Yeah, the band that lost a member nicknamed Head to being "born again," where someone came up with the uncomfortable T-Shirt slogan:  "Korn gave Head to God"

151 This is the top secret drone thread ... right??

152 My brother in law, who voted for Obama because of his hatred for Bush now admits that Obama is a SCOAMF and says he would sooner vote for a cast iron skillet than Obama.

I believe cast iron skillet is the next not-Romney candidate.

153 My sense is that political propaganda works, especially after a few decades of honing, We believe it when politicians say they are doing the public's business.  We believe it when they tell us they are cutting when they are minimally reducing.  We believe it when they tell us that cutting 50 or 60 billion over the course of a year are major cuts even when servicing our current debt costs more than that in a month. 
In the end, what we will get in this election will either be Obama for another four years, or a big government republican, and that will be because big Washington operates by the consent of those best served by big Washington.  And that, like it or not, is a large enough and powerful enough block to keep the spigots on the propaganda faucets opened enough to make certain that big Washington will stay big until the lights go out.

154 My wealthy retired aunt in FL, along with all of her other ridiculously wealthy friends, absolutely adored Obama in 2008.  Could not gush enough about the despised Bush's replacement (they also hated Jeb). A year and a half into his presidency she couldn't even mention him by name she was so angry at him. He decimated their wealth and jeopardized their healthcare - the two things they took for granted most in their lives. My aunt has since died, but I can't see how she could have been turned back into an Obama supporter. He all but told her and her friends that they didn't deserve their wealth and they shouldn't be using up all the healthcare so just go ahead and die already.

155 Hard for me to say, nobody in my family are leftists, and none of my friends are. We all knew he was a marxist piece of shit with an islamic coating, so we all have clear consciences, and basically look at obama voters as douchetools.

156 93 @49 As a Cardinals fan, I'm relieved I won't have the opportunity to have buyer's remorse 5 or 6 years from now. Posted by: Dave at December 08, 2011 03:20 PM (Xm1aB) ================================ If I remember correctly the Los Angeles Anaheim California Angels (A team looking for an identity) also shot a wad of cash on Torii Hunter and they experienced buyers remorse almost immediately. No middle aged baseball player is worth $254 million dollars. Not One.

157 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

158 It's been my experience that even if Democrats are coming to hate Obama, they still hate us more. I think the best we can ever hope for is to demoralize them into staying home on Erection Day. But as far as changing their minds? I have no confidence in a Democrat undergoing that kind of self-examination.

159 All of the people I know who voted for the SCOAMF either discovered that he was in fact a SCOAMF in his first months, or they still support him despite his failure to deliver us into a complete socialist utopia.  Not seeing anything like a multi-year gradual manifestation of buyers remorse.

160 Also, the people that voted for Obama and realize he sucks, they tend to just sit there and say how shitty the Republican field is and repeat word for word the spin of the day of the Republican front runner "Cain is just a pizza man", "Gingrich has too much baggage women will never vote for him", "Perry is stupid", meanwhile the fuck they voted for they wont talk about.

As opposed to the rest of us?

161 When in the presence of a-political people and it takes a lot of strength and discipline, but when Obama comes up I just shake my head and say something along the lines of, "man, a lot of people were duped by the media about who this guy really was."

There are a few at my workplace that I'm sure will vote to re-elect him but my sense is that a lot of the a-political or moderate independent types are going to vote third party or not at all.

In 2008 there were political discussions all the time at the office, usually started by the pro-obama people. Those were long gone by mid 2010 and you don't hear a word about him now. The reality is setting in that his policies don't work, and the evidence is so out in the open you look like an idiot defending him.

162 Cu'Chulainn, I have seen 1 Obama sticker in about 2 years. And this is Michigan. It's amazing how fast those suckers came off people's bumpers.

163 My aunt has since died, but I can't see how she could have been turned back into an Obama supporter. He all but told her and her friends that they didn't deserve their wealth and they shouldn't be using up all the healthcare so just go ahead and die already.

Don't worry.  We'll see that she still casts a vote for Obama next year.

164 So,the Marlins and the Angels went on a spending spree(the Marlins actually outbid the Angels on Pujols and CJ Wilson too).

165
We all know he has the lefties in the bag, but the indies sure seem to be moving away from him.  slowly.

166 Why does Obama never talk about the technology that put me out of business?

167 For some reason, this post reminds me of "The Lawnmower Woman" where the sequence that pays was:

Guy:  "Damn, that's expensive.  For that price, I should get a blow job.  The damn thing should GIVE me a blow job."

Blonde, big-titted sales woman:  "SIR!!!  That thing is NOT going to give you a blow job.........but I will....."


You can imagine where it goes from there.

168 My experience with the liberals I know has been silence.  At this point 4 years ago they were all excited about Hillary or Obama, and you couldn't shut them up about politics.  Now they will still rag on Fox News or talk about how they hate Rick Perry (including assassination fantasies).  But they never talk about Obama.  Its a weird silence.

169 But as far as changing their minds? I have no confidence in a Democrat undergoing that kind of self-examination.

That would require them to have a mind to begin with. 

170 Time to throw the sabots into the gears...

171 168 It's a retarded point anyway,who gives a fuck what jacket he was wearing?Libtards really are retarded.

172

My liberal friends ( I have a couple ) have quit inviting me over for parties. We make it a point no to talk politics so that's not the problem.

I truly think it is because of their embarrasment over the SCOAMF. They adamantly supported him during the election.

173

My apolitical/middle'ish friends have posted, here or there, snark about Obama. One example in particular was posting snark about the Tea Party about a year ago. Out of my 300 or so facebook "friends" only about three or four had anything positive to say about OWS.

The hardcore I know are doubling down, but they aren't the target anyway.

So yeah, I think the tide is turning. Especially once the GOP settles on a nominee, stop the circular firing squad, and gets their collective eyes on the prize.

174 OK to answer Ace's question about anecdotes in the wild and NOT to start a food fight as to why...I sense that most liberals (including my NJ family, a good liberal bellweather) are more than fine with him. They wish he'd fight a little more cleverly (see Clinton, Bill), but they're still onboard. Some older Jewish friends of my parents have flipped or are uneasy, but that's just a couple (literally) of people. My conservative friends (including my wife's family in AZ and IN, a good conservative bellweather; her aunt is to the right of most of you!) are still apoplectic and want him gone more than anything in the world. My moderate/don't always pay attention friends say something like, Obama's a disappointment, but the Republicans are kind of a freakshow, and they don't what what they'll do.

175 Yesterday, John Kobylt, one of the host of the most popular talk-radio show in California, The John and Ken Show, said he would vote for Obama over Gingrich, because Gingrich is crazy and corrupt.

He also said Obama is a nice, intelligent guy who was dealt an impossible hand, so it's unfair to say he's been ineffective. No president could have fixed the mess Bush created.

John Kobylt is no liberal.  He's an anti-tax crusader who supported McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. He hates Sarah Palin with a pathological fervor, and he's always been soft on Obama. He'll talk about the various current scandals, but he always soft-pedals Obama's role in them.

The John and Ken Show highlighted Fast and Furious and Solyndra, but John says he's still going to vote for Obama again over Gingrich. Go figure.

Obama's race is his impenetrable shield. Too many whites have internalized the notion of blacks as perpetual victims, people to whom we must be very kind. Also, John Kobylt is so rich that he doesn't actually care who's president. He'll be okay no matter what. The rich and the lower-middle class on down want Obama reelected, the former because they want to be kind to blacks, and the latter because they not only want to be kind to blacks but they also want more government goodies.

176

Ace,

 

6 friends voted for BO, 5 now despise him. Sixth continues the kool-aid binge and is a union member.

177 In my circle of lefty acquaintances, their opinions consist mostly of:

1. OMG BUSH REPUBLICAN BAD ANTI-GAY CHRISTIANIST CRAZY TOWN EVIL

and

2. I'd vote for that Ron Paul guy.

178 My sense- yes, a lot of swing voters who voted for Obama could be convinced to vote Republican this time... for the right candidate.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure the "right candidate" is even running, much less will win the nomination.  I have doubts that they'd be thrilled over the prospect of seeing Newt Gingrich on TV for the next four years.

179

Can someone explain to me the insight here?  This sounds like exactly what happened during Iraq to Bush. Everybody bought into Bush, including dems, then it fell apart, and everyone turned on Bush.

Old proverb: success has many fathers, but failure is a SCOAMF.

180 157 This is the top secret drone thread ... right??

Posted by: Honey Badger at December 08, 2011 03:34 PM (GvYeG)

We could tell you but then we'd have to kill you.

181 The Newt Gingrich general-election sales pitch: "Yes, you voted for him, but the press lied to you about him, it's not YOUR fault that he's an incompetent asshole."

182 My friend's sister's cousin's brother-in-law's dog walker's hair dresser's cousin thrice removed said she's pissed she voted based off a Rolling Stone cover.

So there's that.

183 This is a lot like a technique in tech marketing called "leaning forward" (not to be confused with those idiots as MSNBC).

When tech companies look to technology conpanies for large complicated systems, they often enlist the aid of othe technology vendors who supply subsystems or smaller parts for the final system.

In order to have the most "cutting edge" technology (sometimes referred to as the "foreskin of technology"), these systems houses have to look at all the possibilities and pick the vendor that is the most advanced that performs the required specifications for any given subsystem.  The vendor companies know this, so they will often stretch the truth a bit and offer what they hope to have next year (as opposed to what they have now or in the near term pipeline). 

This stretching of the truth is called "leaning forward" or sometimes simply "lying."

184 OT:  

RIP Jerry Robinson,
Creator of the greatest villian of all time, The Joker.

185 That all said, the libs I know, after 10+ years of nonstop politics every day going all the way back to Clinton Good/Bush Bad/I Want to Eat Obama's Number 2 and Tell Him to Give Me More and More and More, suddenly don't want to talk about politics anymore and get visibly upset and shaken when you bring Bambi or the economy up.

I think they see the writing on the wall. And also f*ck them with pineapples.

186

I know a much older couple, in their eighties, who are life long Dems. He's never going to change but she hates the POS.

Hope springs eternal.

187 59 >>>The big shift won't happen until the media breaks against Obama.

What? That will not happen until three weeks after his defeat in the election.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2011 03:13 PM (nj1bB)

--------

I am hoping that the election will be over, three weeks after his defeat. ....We could very well be looking at a long contested post-election period, with the media holding daily vote-a-thons for Obama in the recounting of it.

188 I have a guy who comes in every other week, old time/long time partisan Democrat, but one of the few remaining Truman/blue collar reagan Dems. For years it was Repubs this, Bush that, tax cuts, Clinton, Gore, Bush, Iraq, blah blah. Summer 2008, all I told him was, no matter who gets elected, Hillary, Obama, McCain, after Bush has been off TV for about a year and a half people would begin realing he wasn't so bad. Cut to about two months ago. He comes in, I don't want to whack him because he's a customer, a nice guy, and no one really wants to hear, "I told you so." All I ask was how's things. Suddenly, on his own, he goes on an Obama/Democrat tirade, what's this; boy, that Bush wasn't really that bad, and how he voted for Scott Brown, he's leaning towards Perry, but definitely voting Republican.

189 I've seen a significant number of admissions by people on the left.  However, they always respond with either:

1) "...BUT, rethuglicans are all even more super-duper evil than they were a few years ago."

2) "...BUT, I'm still a liberal at heart and will still reflexively, if unenthusiastically, pull the D-lever in the election."

I have no ancedotal evidence from 'independents'.

Until media relents from its propaganda and gives people cover (via polls, whatever) to be 'on the winning side', they will not participate in the coming preference casacade revolution.  IMO.  :-/

190 My best friend... God Love her..... she voted Obama because her 11 year old daughter came home saying her teacher wanted all her students to go in the booth and watch their parents cast the 'historic' vote for Obama. She never pays attention to much... figured, who cares.. my vote doesnt matter... ect.
Now my friend who never paid attention.. pays attention and sends me emails that are anti Obama.
Its personal now to her.. her business is in the ditch.

Obama is one and done.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 08, 2011 03:40 PM (qjUnn)

I would personally go down to that school and tell that teacher that if she ever did that again I would sue her and the school district for everything they were worth.  Then, I'd punch her in the face.

191 Checking out a new kindle fire. Hoping it wasn't a bad purchase. Posted by: nickless at December 08, 2011 03:15 PM (osPiU) Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

192 "How can you nominate this devil???" Hell, yeah. Satan would be a better president than the SCOAMF.

193 My barometer is bumper stickers..  Out here in a fairly conservative county outside Chicago, I saw tons of Obama stickers in 2008.

Not only have most of those been taken off, I see very very few Obama 2012 bumper stickers.

So, if that is any indication, there is definitely some buyer's remorse going on.  That's not to say he will win Illinoi!  That's a real tough one.. but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the disappointment with the SCOAMF is nationwide.

194 I do have to add that my old college roommate, who is further left than I am to the right, always, always, always wants to discuss politics whenever we hang out, to the point where it gets really tedious. Last time he and I hung out, in October, he didn't bring up politics at all. I'm guessing that he knew he really couldn't defend Obama. Although, I don't think Obama has done anything that he wouldn't have wanted him to do, except perhaps in areas of national defense. He'll still vote for him next time, though.

195 "Don't worry.  We'll see that she still casts a vote for Obama next year."
- ACORN

Wouldn't surprise me, actually. My aunt's friends in FL, who all own multiple homes, used to laugh about how they cast votes in each state in which they owned homes in order to oust Bush from office. Voter fraud: not just for the radical poor!!

196
He created Caesar Romero?

(this thread is slowwwww, anyone else?)

197 ""Obama's race is his impenetrable shield. Too many whites have internalized the notion of blacks as perpetual victims, people to whom we must be very kind.""


yeah not this one. I don't give rat's ass what color he is. I'm italian, and I hate just as many white italian dems as I do black dems. I'm an equal opportunity dude, I think all dems suck equally hard no matter what their color is. A socialist is a socialist.

198 #182

I learned a long time ago that John Kobylt is utterly hopeless on anything beyond the local level. State level issues are his upper limit. A few years ago The John & Ken Show got a national syndication deal and it was a disaster. They were completely out of their depth.

John is a person who isn't stupid but hates to study. I've never heard him make reference to reading anything more than a dozen ages in length. Ken is somewhat better but cannot carry a show by himself. On those days when John is away for some reason, you can tell Ken is really struggling. He has opinions but isn't the sort of rambunctious personality John brings to the microphone.

199 I need to start paying more attention to the game during The Void; I didn't realize we got Pujols and CJ Libtard this morning. Seems like an awful lot of money for a middle aged player and a pitcher with the playoff record Wilson has.

My husband's best friend is a hardcore Obama supporting union goon. I love him like a brother, but we cannot discuss politics. The man is a text-book family loving, devoutly Catholic, warm-hearted, do-anything-in-the-world-for-a-friend Italian, too; I just do not get it.

200
Remember how Obama used to use "ditch" a lot?

201
You know what was in a ditch until recently?

A drone in Iran.

202 nerdygirl - I think I draw the line at the proverbial syphilitic camel.

203 "He lost pretty much everybody but the black vote in Louisiana the minute he did that offshore drilling moratorium. " But, but, but GREEN JOBS.

204 My husband's best friend is a hardcore Obama supporting union goon. I love him like a brother, but we cannot discuss politics. The man is a text-book family loving, devoutly Catholic, warm-hearted, do-anything-in-the-world-for-a-friend Italian, too; I just do not get it. Posted by: MissTammy at December 08, 2011 03:49 PM (SsG4J) With all due respect he is a jack ass and people like him will be the ruin of this Country. And just for the record I say that friends of mine who act that way, which is why I don't have many anymore.

205 I am in Austin, TX and I can say I rarely see SCOAMF 2012 signs. Weird as he was ALL over town in 2008.

206 This is a lot like a technique in tech marketing called "leaning forward" (not to be confused with those idiots as MSNBC).

When tech companies look to technology conpanies for large complicated systems, they often enlist the aid of othe technology vendors who supply subsystems or smaller parts for the final system.

In order to have the most "cutting edge" technology (sometimes referred to as the "foreskin of technology"), these systems houses have to look at all the possibilities and pick the vendor that is the most advanced that performs the required specifications for any given subsystem. The vendor companies know this, so they will often stretch the truth a bit and offer what they hope to have next year (as opposed to what they have now or in the near term pipeline).

This stretching of the truth is called "leaning forward" or sometimes simply "lying."

You ask .. "how can any company survive if the are constantly lying "leaning forward" with their customers ?"

I works like this ... once the systems company picks a vendor company for a given subsystems, the management that made the selection now have a vested interest for their selection to work out. If the vendor is late or whatever, they must convince their upper management that it wasn't a big deal, since their next review/ raise is dependent on it working. In other words, the selecting management and the vendor company become co-conspriators .. synchronizing their stories if thing go bad in the hopes that eventually it will work out .. or else.

207

I've spoken to a few who voted for him who are now expressing buyer's remorse and say they won't do it again down here in MouseHouse Territory.

Still, I've stayed off Facebook for quite a while because many of my music buddies still sing his praises (pun intended). I'm outnumbered, but I correct the few I still think I can persuade in the nicest way possible. It's an ongoing battle of wits, moxie, and snark, with a foundation of truth.

Ace, your psychological skills are pretty good, but never underestimate the power of the human ego's self-defense mechanisms. They have led to every major conflict in history by preventing the soul from seeing the truth of its failures. They're also the reason we're in the national crisis we're in. The OWS'ers are the perfect example of young skulls full of mush being told that they're precious little snowflakes and can never, ever do anything wrong (ala Mr. Rogers, Dr. Spock and Dr. Rudoph Rewriter, among others). Lesson?  Encourage the ego at your peril.

They, and the rest of the nation needs a good dose of the Truth. If the results of El SCOAMF's Reign of Error doesn't do it, I don't know what will.

208 People will actually believe that going further in debt will solve our debt problems because their own self interest will guide them to believing it.  The reality of the alternatives are too dreadful for them to contemplate, namely:
An end, or a significant reduction in entitlements.
The reintroduction of personal accountability and responsibility.
The austere life style imposed by living debt free.
The actual end to American exceptionalism and all of the consequences globally that that will carry with it.

Nobody is going to go along with accepting that these are even remote possibilities.

209 "The foreskin of technology." That's marketing gold, right there. "At Smegmalytics, We're Touching Dicks With The Future."

210 ""The man is a text-book family loving, devoutly Catholic, warm-hearted, do-anything-in-the-world-for-a-friend Italian, too; I just do not get it""


you can be all that and still be a shallow thinking imbecile.

211 Sadly, I must concede that I believe Romney or Huntsman might stand a better chance against BO than Gingrich. A lot of these left leaners I know loved Clinton, and Gingrich might push them right back into the BO camp.

I never thought I would say this 6 months ago, but take a look @ Huntsman. He's not Romney and seems to disarm independents. He might be the BO of the right. Convinces everyone he is a moderate but is really more conservative than people know. A reverse-obama if you will.

Perry, his campaign looks as unprepared as Cain's. And how would he hold up against a hostile media and in a debate against BO? He likely would walk right into the media narrative that he is as dumb and stupid as Bush. Romney is flip flopping Romney. Gingrich, man what a wild card. He could leave orbit at any moment. Probably the personally equipped mentally to combat Obama, but some of this stuff coming out from right leaning media really gives me pause. Bachman, overshoots rhetorically, and a majority of women aren't prepared for a female president other than Hillary. Santorum was part of the problem that led to massive losses in 2006, a Bush voting Republican, sorry, not interested.

212 I also should mention that the opposite of love is not hate but apathy or indifference.

I'd rather  his former voters didn't care about him rather than hate him. Hate can be dismissed as irrational and they can defend against it but apathy is infectious and will decimate his ranks.

213 Still, I've stayed off Facebook for quite a while because many of my music buddies still sing his praises (pun intended).

I hate those guys. (The Facebook clueless, that is.) If I didn't need to use the damn thing to schedule meat-verse events, I'd have bailed on Facebook months ago.

214 "At Smegmalytics, We're Touching Dicks With The Future."


yeah, well "future" better be the nickname of a long legged big tit blonde chick that can suck the moon out of its orbit, or it don't go anywhere near the dick. lol

215 #184

Wouldn't it have been just as historic if Obama had lost? It would still have been the first time there was a somewhat black man as a major contender.

We could have held out for a GOOD black man for actually winning the election. Of course, that is what so many libs cannot understand. It wasn't about race, it was about character and I judged Obama on his. Just as MLK hoped I would do.

Put Thomas Sowell on the ballot and I'd vote for him with an intensity I've never felt in the booth in 29 years since coming of age. Sowell is pretty old now but another, younger black man who believably called Sowell his mentor would do.

216 "Buy in haste, repent at leisure."

217

(this thread is slowwwww, anyone else?)

Um, yeah. About that. It appears that I broke the blog at some point yesterday afternoon with a particularly pithy comment. Evidently, Pixy hasn't yet replaced all the computer hamsters who were damaged in the incident.

There are still three who are unaccounted for.

I think hamsters are distantly related to Ewoks somehow.  I am truly sorry.

218

I find that most libs I know are able to mentally excuse any failure in actual performance by a liberal politician, no matter how total and obvious it is, as long as said politician continues to say things they like to hear.   As long as the message continues to resonate, reality doesn't intrude.     

 

  

219 @213, I turned 8 at the end of 1960, and we had vigorous playground debates about Nixon and JFK. Teachers STFU of course, and ministers just sort of tippy-toed, although there was an attitude there for sure.

This post reminds me that

OMIGOD ACE THINKS A RIDING MOWER COSTS $900. 

It's like grocery shopping with GHW Bush.

220 nevergiveup, he's truly not a jackass. I have no doubt he and people like him will be the ruin of this country politically, but he's not a jackass.

He's an awesome man in every other way. He has told my husband he will take care of me if anything happens to him, he has stood by us through horrible times.

Berserker, can't really argue the imbecile part, though. Sigh.

221 "Obama was a big purchase, wasn't he?"

Why yes he was. Apparently we (and by "we," I mean idiots and not the moron/ettes) bought a fake American with counterfeit money. (And fake has nothing to do with birth certificacy.)

As to the sensing of peers WRT Obama? Everyone despises him. The sample size isn't that large but then no single individual's will be. I think they probably hate him enough to reflect the opinions of two samples.

222

>We could very well be looking at a long contested post-election period, with the media holding daily vote-a-thons for Obama in the recounting of it.

 

this is my great fear- that if the Republican wins a close election, say 2 or 3 points, Obama and his media allies will contest the outcome nationwide.

Imagine Florida 2000 x 50: chaos.

223 The larger the purchase, the longer one tends to deny buyers remorse.

224 Who wants to admit they made a $4 trillion mistake?

225

I know at least a dozen people with buyer's remorse over Barry's election. Some are most vocal. Some a very pissed. Most claim they will not vote for him next time around under any circumstances.

These are real people with whom I interact quite frequently. Strange too how they reinforce and spread their wrath, one states a reason, the next tops this story with another more convincing reason. And on and on.

I think this is a good thing.

http://zapit.nu/SCOAMF

226 There's a lot to this theory, Ace. I'll never forget going to my brother's house back in the mid nineties, and experiencing his "new fangled" 5.1 DVD home theater system. Fancying myself an audio/videophile, I actually stood there vacuously arguing the superiority of my expensive/antiquated stereo laser disc system/library. ...When confronted, the ego loves to puff out it's chest, but reality has a way of always winning in the end. Let's hope it does before the next election.

227 Issa just threatened SCOAMF, Jr. with Contempt of Congress. Very dramatic. Issa mentioned John Mitchell and SCOAMF, Jr. responded with the 'Have you no shame?' line. Oh, my!

228 I have one friend that I just don't get. Ex-military, socially conservative, supports a fair tax...and supports Obama still.

 He's black. Is that the reason? Because I never remembered him as a Bush hater. He's not really partisan and isn't snarky about conservatives, so we still get along. He's a good man. But politically? I don't get it.

 Other than that, most people either hate him or think he's bad but hate republicans more.

229 Hate to break it to the assholes who pulled the lever for SCOAMF and fucked this country over, everything I know about SCOAMF now, was readily available before the election.

They can take their buyer's remorse, and fuck themselves silly with it.

230 ""Berserker, can't really argue the imbecile part, though. Sigh""



No. you can't. How many serial killers were "the nice man down the street"? Dem voters are fully functional retards with absolutely no eye on history and no sense of logic.

231

Milton Friedman wrote about this same kind of logic when he published his "Permanent Income Hypothesis."  Friedman posited:

If/when you get a significant raise - such as when you change jobs, etc. - you will initially not realize that you are making a lot more money.  You will spend less than you make until your psyche realizes "hey, I can afford more."

This normally doesn't take too long.

The inverse is true and worse: if you lose your job, and you go from $X/year to zero, you also refuse to believe that you're busted.  You'll keep spending.  First it will be your savings, then it will be your lines of credit.  At some point, like it takes a while to realize that you voted for a failure, you will realize that you are broke and you have to stop spending.

This normally takes a long time, unfortunately.

As with most things, Friedman was prescient.  And he extended his theory into how unemployment and other such socialist things can really skew this already bad logic even worse.

In this case I think a lot of people have actually come around to blaming Obama.  I think that they realize they voted for a bad candidate.

They do this for a good reason: if they can't blame Obama, then they have to face the even grimmer truth that it's not just Obama that's wrong, but Socialism, in general, that is a complete failure. 

Consider Europe: they are throwing PM's out by the bundle.  Scapegoats R'Us.  Because if it's not the PM's fault, then it's a failure in the whole "welfare state" logic.

And that's simply too much for them to accept.  Same thing here.

232 Posted by: Berserker at December 08, 2011 04:09 PM (FMbng)

I'm going to blame it on years of union brainwashing.

I also have trouble reconciling his devotion to his Church with a Dem vote, given the party is so rabidly pro-abortion.

We just do not bring up politics, ever, which is hard for me, because as you may have noticed, I am somewhat opinionated....

233 238 Hate to break it to the assholes who pulled the lever for SCOAMF and fucked this country over, everything I know about SCOAMF now, was readily available before the election.
===

Only for those who actually looked.
If you don't delve into blogs (and most don't) and uncritically believed the popular media (and most do), Obama was a demi-god.

As to Ace's question, I get the sense that at least some of the people whom I know that liked Obama see he's a screwup, at the very least with respect to the economy.   Most people simply aren't knowledgeable about foreign policy, or certainly not knowledgeable enough to understand the many ways Obama has been screwing over the USA's role as global leader.

234 Ace, I have detected shifts in the electorate. Two people I know who jumped ship and voted for O last time will never do so again. Two relatives (husband and wife) who are big-time libs told me recently that they have watched every single Republican debate. Blew me away. They like Huntsman, naturally, but this is very significant. Two or three others who voted O are now quiet about him. One big-time pacifist and one-time O-supporter, told me, "He's worse than Bush!" My Repub friends are quite intensely following the election. I can honestly say I haven't met a single individual who has become stronger on O. I asked several friends recently how many O-supporters they thought might flip this time and both thought double digits. They are both professionals who mix in well with general society. One is a doctor. My daughter's young friends (well, upper 20's) who were hardcore O-folks in 08, have lost interest. One told me she can't believe she was so into it last time. So I worked the math out. If 1 in 18 flip their votes, Obama cannot win. I feel confident this is an undercount. My gut feeling is 1 in 10 will flip, maybe more. This would lead to a clear Republican win. If even more flip -- quite possible -- landslide. Think about it: in 2008 the stars were in perfect alignment for Obama and he still only got 52.87% of the vote. He's going down, and down hard. One final note: Carter's presidency did not have the stink it now has until the last year. That's when the verdict came in. Obama's verdict is coming in now. the fact that he's decided to go full-Marxist is proof he's a goner.

235 136 The press won't concern themselves with the deficit or unemployment.

They've got bigger fish to fry....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2011 03:30 PM (pLTLS)

So, what is their argument exactly, "Rick Perry hates the gays so we're gonna call him a fag?"

236

Most sentient beings concluded this a long time ago.  The rest are still lying to themselves.  It would be painful to watch if it weren't happening to Democrats. 

 

237

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 08, 2011 03:54 PM (jx2j9)

...An end, or a significant reduction in entitlements.

SS has to stay, the rest of the entitlements are now necessary because of SCOAMF's policies of economic destruction. An economic recovery will greatly diminish the need for them.

The reintroduction of personal accountability and responsibility.
The austere life style imposed by living debt free.

These are probably only two of the Unwritten Rules of the Moron Horde. I've been living that way for a looooong time, as, I would guess, do many of us.

The actual end to American exceptionalism and all of the consequences globally that that will carry with it.

America will always be exceptional. Our form of government is proof, as is our national psyche. We're just different from the rest of the world. We will prove that to the world once more if we can mangage to overcome the Great Mistake of '08. That will take some time.

238

My mom is pretty much a moderate/independent--liberal on some issues, conservative on others, so it all cancels out--and while I believe she voted for McCain, she was pretty supportive of Obama after his election. Or at least, she thought he should be given a fair chance.

A few months ago we spoke about political stuff and she said something to the effect of "I think he's had enough time to fix things, and he hasn't really been able to do it." That's not the same as being sold on the Republican ticket, and I wouldn't say she hates him, but I do see it as indicative of a larger shift (with all the caveats about anecdotal info, of course).

239 Off topic, but I'm not sure where to post this... With all of the insider trading and corruption brought to light from Peter Schweizer's book, has anyone investigated whether the sycophantic supporters of the media/punditry class have had similar "success" with their portfolios? Obviously they wouldn't be protected from insider trading laws (as congress transparently is) It certainly would go a long way in explaining why they're so malleable in promoting provable lies. Ideology is nice and all, but money talks.

240 The people I work with are very smart about most things, but even though they all agree the last three years sucked and are getting worse, they're still not concluding that all the things Obama promised them couldn't work if his administration was just a bit more competent. Alternative energy, smart diplomacy, economic stimulus, global warming, shovel-ready jobs, high-speed rail, electric cars -- all those things should have worked, there's nothing wrong with the theory, it's just been incompetent staff or sabotage that keeps them from working. I don't talk politics with my co-workers very much. I drop little bites of information showing how screwed-up the great plans of the liberals are sometimes, but working with them is more important than the satisfaction of saying I told you so.

241 Hate to break it to the assholes who pulled the lever for SCOAMF and fucked this country over, everything I know about SCOAMF now, was readily available before the election.

Yes! Of course they were blaming it all on that vast right-wing conspiracy, but some of my Lib friends have changed their tune on that a bit, too. I mean, when the conspiracies proving to be true, you have no choice.

242 Off topic, but I'm not sure where to post this...

With all of the insider trading and corruption brought to light from Peter Schweizer's book, has anyone investigated whether the sycophantic supporters of the media/punditry class have had similar "success" with their portfolios?

Obviously they wouldn't be protected from insider trading laws (as congress transparently is) It certainly would go a long way in explaining why they're so malleable in promoting provable lies.

Ideology is nice and all, but money talks.

Posted by: AtlasMugged at December 08, 2011 04:24 PM (r9vQr)

I have to agree here... money talks... barring any drastic changes it will be

" the economy stupid "

243 No frickin' idea.  In real life I don't discuss politics with folks.  I want their money, not their opinions.

244 Had dinner out of state last weekend with, among other in-laws, the liberal boyfriend of my husband's niece. He is an Occupy believer, believes in free college, free everything. Thinks the Occupy bowel movement is just taking a break now as it is cold, but soon, SOON! the protests will matter. Does not understand why he, with a job at a call center, is only paid a dollar over minimum wage.

My husband, normally passive at this type of crap (as it does no good to argue with idiots of another political party, and I am usually the one opening her mouth) defended his own personal success and capitalism and general working his ass off his whole life to support me and boys,etc.

The boyfriend dude had some stats memorized, so (to some) he sounded smart. He gave himself away when he said that our country was successful after WWII due to welfare (or some BS related to all of FDR's programs, including the GI Bill). Obama has completely let him down, bummer. These peeps honestly thought Utopia was going to occur after January 20, 2009. Some more ignorance: he thought Anthony Weiner was "brilliant" and also his great hope before resignation (I calmly said, "Well, he did that to himself."). He thinks Obama was vetted (I now think he did not know what vetted meant when I said that the media did not vet him). He also looked confused, dude, when I asked, if Obama is not his guy, who did he want to "primary" The Won? Our niece had to explain what "primary" meant. I then knew he was seriously ignorant on a lower level than I thought. I told him to watch Senator Marco Rubio on YouTube (who he had never heard of). No doubt his head exploded.

Seriously, this is what the GOP is dealing with in the next election: ignorant,stoned hippies who like to hate Wall Street and the Tea Party as that is their echo chamber. If asked, they could not tell you why they hate them or even explain the difference between socialism (which sounds cool) or capitalism.

My brother-in-law, a wise-guy who I do love as a brother, is anti-GOP due to living in Utah and the Mormon thing (they are all Catholic). Keeping in mind that their father was a Reagan Republican conservative who made lots of money, thanks to capitalism and education. Brother-in-law "hates" Wall Street and made sarcastic remarks over his gin. I wanted to say, well, you know that money we will all divide when your mother is gone from their investments? Where do you think that came from? But I was a good girl and did not want to make these people feel stoopid. But they are.

It is the Republican's election to lose, y'all, and I give them full credit for possibly doing this. God help us.

245 The rubes voted for a Cook County Democrat for president. They thought they were getting a Lightbearer, a Jedi Knight, a Philosopher-King, a Magic Negro; but instead, they got ... a Cook County Democrat.

Funny how that works.

246

My lib friends here in the Triangle of NC (ie 99% of my friends) who loved Obama in 2008 might not love him as much anymore but they'd sooner pluck out their eyebrows rather than vote Republican.

I think the best we might get out of them is that they are really really busy on in November 2012 and "don't have time" to vote come election day.

 

247 4 136 The press won't concern themselves with the deficit or unemployment.

They've got bigger fish to fry....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2011 03:30 PM (pLTLS)

Lacey

Where I live every man wears that same jacket!  And I can guarantee you that they are not gay!!  It is so silly that they would make an issue of something like that.  In fact, I could not even join in this discussion (about people having cooled on Obama) because the only stickers on cars up here are "Obama, One Big Mistake America" and the NRA stickers!  I hope that if they are making fun about Perry and the jacket it is because they feel he will be the next "flavor of the month", as I think he can take it.

248 September 2008: Obama --> "New Coke"

Then, no one I talked to would listen. Now, no one wants to talk. I think a large part of the reason is fear of the Race Card, more than being called stupid due to Sunk Cost realization.

249 Shifts?  From liberals?  The only shift a liberal is capable of moving from is  Obama-the-Savior to gotta-stop-those-evil-right-wing-conservatives.  Either way they'll vote for him.  To save the planet from Evil.

250

-- are you detecting any shifts here?

Yes, kinda sorta like Japan had a few shifts earlier this year.

Seriously. Even the liberals around here start their narratives with "Admittedly Obama's been kind of a dissappointment but....." and then go on with their own left wing rationalization of whatever they percieve as being wrong.

The shocker though is when they forget to blame everything on Bush. Or even more shocking is when you confront them with the fact that Obama hasn't changed ANYTHING in terms of Policy that Bush set up....and they don't argue.

251 Yes, even among the apolitical folks I know, there's a dislike that has emerged. However, it's more of a "well, I guess he's just like ALL politicians" sort of dislike. None of these people talk in terms of any specific thing(s) [Stimulus, Obamacare, F&F, Solyndra, NLRB] that made the scales fall from their eyes and demonstrated for them how absolutely awful he is. Nothing has "enraged" or "appalled" them. They don't even seem to fault him particularly for more general issues like unemployment or the economy. Its more like a general disappointment that he wasn't awesome enough to make things "better" in a vague way.

252 The rubes voted for a Cook County Democrat for president. They thought they were getting a Lightbearer, a Jedi Knight, a Philosopher-King, a Magic Negro; but instead, they got ... a Cook County Democrat.

Love this!

253 Isn't this just the X stages of mourning kind of thing?  Because, is it really possible to buy that crappy a lawn mower?

254

Christie is on this bandwagon.  In Iowa today he sympathized with hecklers (in a Christie sort of way), saying they got taken to the cleaners with all the Hopeandchange shit and now they were having trouble coming to grips with it.  "Maturity" would help them, a bit, he thought.  As in "when they learn a little maturity".

Maybe a great ad for whomever turns out to be the GOP nominee would be to replay some of the really inspiring Obama ads from 2008, with a new tagline, like "How'd that work out for you?"

255 in super liberal CT, everyone I know is grumbling about Obama. And I don't mean in political discussions at the bar. I was picking up material at the lumber yard, and the fucking yard boy made a comment about business picking up at soon as Obama is out. I've also been hearing a lot more radios tuned to Rush Limbaugh during the day, from my fed ex guy to the gas station where I buy cigarettes... my anecdotal sense is that, yeah, there has been a huge public opinion shift. And I think we won't fully realize it until post-election.

256 Here in Maine, it's pretty much wall-to-wall Obama stickers. When pressed, they will resort to either: 1.) "He's done so much for gays" or 2.) "Can you believe how mean people are being to him? I mean - really - he's doing his best!"

257 The shift that I am seeing is my Democratic friends and family more often resorting to the argument that Republicans are just as bad. I love it. By even making that statement, regardless of whether the premise is true (it often is, but that's beside the point) they are admitting the badness of the democrats.

258
Ace,

I really like your theory. And I have not encountered anything similar to it before.

The vast majority of my friends (like, 90+%) are deep, blue lefties with intense sympathies for the OWS crowd. They all voted for Obama in the last election, and they won't hesitate to vote for him coming up. The  minority-remainder of my friends did not vote for Obama, and certainly will not be voting for him coming up.
So I'm afraid I've no relevant sample to offer for the testing of your theory.

I will say that there is no question that a sizable percentage of my Obama voting friends have softened in their support of him. Some are quite disappointed in him - but not enough not to vote for him. Several are even anticipating he'll likely be replaced by a Republican.

259 A friend who is hardcore lib Dem asked the other day what is wrong with Republicans that they can't / won't see the wisdom of nominating Huntsman. I heard that to really mean he's abandoned Obama. Lot of them are there, you just need to know the code. Nurture them, BTW.

260 they are admitting the badness of the democrats.

On facebook, there is a group entitled something like "We survived 8 years of Bush, you will survive Obama" or something like that that several of my left-wing "friends" have been "liking" recently. Presumably this is supposed to be pro-Obama, but when I saw it I thought, isn't that kind of admitting that Obama sucks? Aren't you essentially saying, yes, Obama sucks, we can't deny it any longer, but Bush sucked, too!

Also, I find it humorous that so many lefties think us on the right are so invested in defending Bush. I like Bush as a person, but I disagreed with many of his policies, especially the spending. I hardly feel the need to defend him, even though I generally don't think he was anything near as bad as the left wants to believe.

261 None of my Democrat buddies who loved Obama can stand him now. They'll still vote for him come November, though. Anyone but a Republican, they feel.

262

Ace...dont forget there is a new crop of people that never even voted for Obama that are now of voting age (and they dont have to reckon with buyer's remorse or some sunk cost mentality). 

My daughter is already fantasizing about pulling that lever to vote that SOB out of office.  She turns 18 this December and graduates high school in May.  While there are still plenty of liberal indoctrinated kids that wont vote for a Republican, they probably also wont even go to the effort of registering when they are at college and won't vote on election day.  But those from conservative households understand that the country and their future hangs in the balance and will register and vote.

For my daughter, registering will be the first god-damn thing she does when she gets to college (from her mouth...not mine).

I have a 16 year old right behind her and a then a 13 year old, too.  I also know plenty of conservative families who have 3-4 children.  If the liberals expect to win they better start breeding, because the conservatives are.

I am generally against abortion, but frankly if all the liberals want to pre-emptively kill off their offspring and the survival of their crappy, liberal ideas, I am happy to let them do so.  I'll even pitch in with taxpayer money.  I know that is harsh, but to me the survival of the USA comes before everything else.  I will lay down my life to preserve it for my children.  I have no compunction about them laying down the lives of their unborn children to also help ensure the survival of The USA as I have known it.

 

263 The problem with that theory is that:

1. they don't think it's doing so bad. As it's the PREVIOUS MOWER'S FAULT THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

2. Even when you know you've made a bad purchase, you'll still ride that thing into the ground. (I did with my Ford Ranger. 115,000 miles and 7 years and I hated driving it every minute but it was all I had and I couldn't afford to sell it and buy another)

3. There's always hope that it will get better. (or as you would put it; magical thinking.)

And apparently there's 42% out there that feel this way.
I've been keeping almost daily track of Obama's poll with Gallup he's been up to 44% approval and as low as 47% disapproval for about 3-4 months.

42% seems to be the median.

That means (if this means ANYTHING) that we've got 8% that can f*ck things up big time if they don't show or vote for the one the Media says to.

Not good. Not good at all.

264 Kinda like buying a Zune instead of the Ipod. It kinda worked but still sucked.
Took awhile to admit it and make the change.

265 My neighbor, a blue collar, retired government employee, and older religious man, watched John Wayne movies all day, lived rurally, and has a number of children who run ranches (conservatives) who thought of himself as a JFK democrat.  (JFK a nationalist who did try to assassinate Castro and cut taxes murdered by a Marxist) 

Anyway by this point last year, he several times brought up and directly apologized to me for having voted for Obama.  He was visibly upset, he did feel a bit tricked into supporting him.  Not sure if he meant tricked by Obama or the media presenting him as something he wasn't. Never saw him watch foxnews I assume his kids were the ones telling him of Obamas misdeeds.  I assumed he watched CNN.

266 zune - ipod ... groan.  

Buy a fuze
"Rockbox" it
a cheap=worry free, flexible, solid player with expandable memory that does not require indoctrination into any creepy pseudo-religious cults.

side note - fuze+ rockbox project is almost done

267 What should we do with our friends and colleagues who are either supporters of Obama or on the fence?

We all know that directly confronting people on their beliefs results in their digging in their heels, so that strategy, while gratifying to us who have all the facts with which to bury Obama fans, does not really work in garnering support for whoever will be his Republican opponent.  And I am sure we can agree that anyone is preferable to Zero.

Indirect suggestion is far preferable.  As in, "Obama is working hard and doubtless his heart is in the right place, but he did have two years of unfettered opportunity - without any Republican opposition - to do what he wanted, and we got Obamacare.  That seems pretty unpopular.  Maybe a change in approach would be good the next time around."  Now that I read that, it sounds pretty lame, but I'm sure you can come up with a better formula.  But I still think the approach is right.  Run that sort of thing by three friends and report back in two days.

268 Local radio guy had an interesting point that should cheer us up. He said that national poll #s in the 40's are really devasting for scoamf because if they are including Cali and NY in those polls which really don't matter since in the EC we will never get anyway. Watch for the polls in swing states and you see scoamf trailing even Newt. Add in some ads displaying what the media has been hiding and you will get even more of the anger ace is talking about

269

Not much of a shift. Almost everyone in my neck of the woods is liberal or moderate (read: leans left).

Nobody is happy with the status quo but there is still the attitude of Bush and GOP had 8 years, screwed things over royally and ran the car in the ditch. If Obama gets any blame, it's along the lines of "I thought he would be better at cleaning up the huge mess the Republicans and Bush made" Heard one person comment that Bush looked pretty good in some appearance. Someone else said, "Yeah, he should look good, he's relaxing and playing golf while Obama's busy trying to fix his mess."

270

Yabbut it's one thing to be dissatisfied with Obama, still another to believe that the Republican nominee will be a better choice.

The vote for Obama in 2008 was in large part "we don't like the other guys." There was fatigue with Bush-era Republicanism and associated sludge or perceived sludge: Heckuva job, Brownie; wide stance Craig; Duke-stir Cunningham, Foley, DeLay, Abramoff, Scooter, Meiers, Gannon, Goodling...

Anyway. Many Democrats made the mistake of confusing this "we don't like the other guys" sentiment with "that must mean you REALLY want our agenda."

Cut to: Rampant socialism, open borders, enterpreneurial success being made illegal, guns outlawed, mandatory reeducation classes requiring eighth-graders to embrace both Islam and homosexuality (simultaneously!), single-payer health care, the replacement of the Star-Spangled Banner with the French national anthem, AGW as state dogma, and mandatory latte-sipping for everyone. Or whatever. But I digress. They proceeded to implement something very like this agenda. Or as much as they felt they could get away with.

And, surprise surpise, voters were like, "Um, hey, that's not quite what we meant," and the 2010 midterms happened.

News Flash: Republicans are just as capable of making exactly the same mistake. Assume (for the sake of argument) that the message of 2010 was "no, just because we don't like the other guys doesn't mean suddenly want your whole radical agenda."  It doesn't mean that most voters are ready for a full conservative utopian Teagasm.

 

271 Ace wrote: "I wondered about this long ago. My belief was that this natural inclination towards self-defense of the ego would spare Obama for a period. And then, I thought, the turn would come, and Obama would be hated by many of the people currently still holding out hope. Because my theory is that the ego will again intervene in a self-preserving manner. First the ego fights off the belief that this was a poor decision. It doesn't want to admit the brain got something so wrong. But when that position can no longer be maintained, a new self-preserving theory is favored: "Based on the information available to me, I made the right decision. But significant information was concealed from me; ergo, I could not make the correct call based on the information as known. Obama lied to me about his intentions and his qualifications." This new narrative has the great advantage of confessing an incorrect decision while not confessing any fault in arriving at that incorrect decision. It also has the virtue of being pretty much true, eh? Add in the media into the pile of scapegoats-who-actually-deserve-blame." Very advanced theory, and that is certainly an-awful-lot-of-words, but back in the day before we had all day to reinvent the wheel, we just succinctly said:"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

272 Took me time to read all the comments, but I really enjoyed the article. It proved to be Very helpful to me and I am sure to all the commenters here! ItÂ’s always nice when you can not only be informed, but also entertained!

273 I expect that the polls leading up to the election will never show the anti-Obama landslide that is coming.  After that, everyone, including the MFM, will act as if it was all a foregone conclusion anyway.  Their own cheerleading will disappear down the memory hole, and a new found concern for civil liberties, U6 unemployment numbers, and a tyrannical executive will emerge in its place.

It's like a ballroom dance in which the partners feign interest in the Foxtrot until the next Swing number comes around.

274 A few month's while back Ace's friend The Anchoress had a post on how her mother in law and other senior relatives have come to realize that the press they have always relied on for news ill served them in 2008.   The money quote was  “I paid attention; I read all the papers—they all loved this guy!”

My neighbors' parents are pretty typical of the senior vote that went Obama's way.  At Thanksgiving Dinner they told a similar story. They are independents who lean right but in 2008 they thought McCain was too old and that this smart, upbeat black guy should get his chance.  They assumed the press had vetted him and that he was a man of the political center.  They now know that he wasn't vetted at all and won't vote for him again.

275 I was in a comedy club in Downtown Los Angeles, a place that would never be confused with an enclave of conservatives. But there was NO audience response at all to positive mentions of OWS (which was still going on at the time) OR Obama by the performers, even when the comedians were actively courting it ("Am I right?" etc). Even with a healthy proportion of the crowd being African-American, not one small noise backed up a comedienne's stated love for Barack.  Of course I had no chance to observe what response would be to negative mention since there were none from the stage, but the ... how can I put it? ... stiffly deliberate silence struck me.

276 ABC's Nightline tonight had a poisonous hit piece: interestingly, it featured Rick Perry, and spat slime at his ad about being an "out Christian." (We should call ourselves that, methinks, and hoist them with their own petard, the fuckers.)

The foul bitch who reads the intro really insinuated all the sinister overtones into her voice that she could muster. Allegedly, the piece was about subliminally negative campaigning, but it focussed solely on Republicans, and tried to make Perry's utterly American Protestantism sound like the Spanish Inquisition.

Of course, the "Reverend" God-Damn-America Wright and his viciously racist "church" weren't mentioned At All.

They will pull out all the stops, AGAIN, for the Bastard. Goebbels would be lost in admiration at their tactics.

277 I have an idea: why don't we use their iconography against them?

Print out 8.5" x 11" copies of Hussein with his snoot in the air and backed by his fucking "Obama Logo" in halo-fashion. Put it on every fence and lamppost and every grocery store/laundromat/ bulletin board you can find.

That image says it all. That he thinks he's a Messiah; that his shit doesn't stink. Americans hate that sort of jackass.

Here in Manhattan, I don't interpret the silence of the Stalinist imbeciles as anything other than complacency. Like anacondas that have eaten their monthly goat, they lie in the shade, pleased with the slaughter, digesting the remains of our nation's greatness. What's to talk about?

All the problems of the nation they easily and mindlessly lay at the Republicans' door. An example of this imbecility: a Leftard I was talking with, who's not unintelligent in other spheres, was whining about the "Republican saboteurs" on the New York City Council. I was gobsmacked: "There ARE no Republicans on the City Council! well, the two guys from Queens! but there are some THIRTY Democrats! Anything that's going wrong is on them."

She just pouted and said, "Well, they must be doing something to fuck things up." I said, "Do you really think that?" but she just blew me off. Petulantly, impatiently, childishly.

Humans. A mostly irrational species, with occasional flashes of light.

278

Buyer's remorse is a good model to organize thinking on reactions to Obama. But while reading your post, I started getting a strong "abused spouse" vibe also, where Democrats would be denying, making excuses, etc. Perhaps "abused spouse" is a subset of "buyer's remorse."

Also, perhaps after his poor performance, Obama himself might be having a few "abused spouse / buyer's remorse" reactions to Leftism. Along with many leftists.

We can but hope.