1 mmmmm...pudding

2 Someone needs to take some of California's 55 electoral votes from my them for being cock suckers every four years

3 I guess this is a broad measure of multi-year momentum, but extrapolating will not get you a blow-job and a six-pack.

I am suspicious of reading too much into this.

4 I was told there would be no math.

5 California is totally in play.

6 No workee????

7 You've had too much Valu-rite, obviously.

8 Whoa-I'm not confident we can pick up any of those states. Which one would be easiest?

9

WA will never go red.  I know.  I live here in evil, corrupt King County.  Seat of the stolen elections board.  The infameous county of "ballots stuck to the inside of the machine", "boxes of ballots found in cars", no chain of custody, etc., etc.  No wonder I'm so frustrated and bitter!

Sigh!

10 But honestly, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are the only possibles on that map.

11

Iowa, Wisconsin

Oh wait, our potential nominees suck. 

Elway/ Tebow 2020.

12

Is PA our best bet? 

 

OR is another loser state.  They are worse than we are.

13 Sock fail.

14 Wait, how can D.C. have electoral votes if it doesn't have reps or senators? Is this a mistake or did the public schools fail me again?

15 New Jersey and or Minnesota?

16

Man, think of all the electoral votes CA will gain once all those illegal aliens get amnesty.  They can come out of the shadows and vote legally.  Oh wait...

17 So we need to capture a Gore state? That's a toughie, considering Bush had won 30 states then. What Gore state is currently swinging red?

18 Of course, by this map, we can win without taking any of those blue ones if we take all of those tan ones. That looks pretty plausible.

19

Ace, you just post this crap to drive me crazy.

2Someone needs to take some of California's 55 electoral votes from my them for being cock suckers every four years

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 02, 2011 07:23 PM (LoF2Z)

_____________

So true.

 

20 15 New Jersey and or Minnesota?

Posted by: tasker at December 02, 2011 07:27 PM (r2PLg)

No way.

21 Where are the other seven?

22 CAC no es ace.

23 I am going to go out on a limb and make a bold prediction.  We are going to see voter fraud in the next election on an epic scale never before seen.  I think it will be blatant and widespread.  I don't think the Democrats even care about appearnces any more.  There will be blood!  Mark my words.

24 Posted by: tasker at December 02, 2011 07:27 PM (r2PLg)

I doubt Minnesota, and NJ is pure Democrat machine politics in the cities, where there are, unfortunately, lots of voters.

25 No way Minnesota...? Ya, I think I was smokin' something when I went with NJ...

26 14 Wait, how can D.C. have electoral votes if it doesn't have reps or senators?

Is this a mistake or did the public schools fail me again?

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at December 02, 2011 07:27 PM (QBQcg)

I think they have a Representative but he can't vote or only vote in committee or something.

27 PA could be the keystone to this next election...

28 With the now-probable result of the 2012 election, and with a timebomb like Gingrich starting to lead, its time to buy Gold.
Lots of it.

29 Iowa and Wisconsin are our best bets.  Then Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Michigan.

30

The rule in case you are still confused:

No flip has happened without carrying a previously unflipped state.

 

31 Is Maine a possibility now that it's gone red? I'm thinking it'll have to be Pennsylvania or maybe Wisconsin/Michigan. New Mexico was tight before but I think it's more blue now.

32 Immediate congressional action is needed to prevent Alaska from colliding with Mexico.

33

I don't agree with this hypothesis though.  12 years is a long time, demographically speaking.

 

34 25 No way Minnesota...?

When was the last time Minnesota's electoral's went Republican? Fifty years ago?

35 Can we just jettison the blue states?

36 Piece of cake boys, I'll easily be able to flip my home state of Massachusetts.

37 Rules were made to be broken. With this map we can lose all those blues and spot Nevada and West Virginia to fraud and still win.

38 Fire sale!  Everything MUST GO!

39 Maine and Wisconsin...

40 Does Guam have any e-votes? Because with a large military presence.....

41 Reapportionment favors Republicans.

42

The thing with NJ, the people are idiots.  They had Corzine as their governor, and while they did vote him out, they are still Democrats.  If they didn't want Corzine on their local level, why the eff would anyone in their right mind vote for his Barry, his BFF. 

NJ, the garden state.  Home of vegetables who vote Democrat.  Seriously!  (Probably some fruits too...)

43 Wisconsin only has 10.  Where can you go from there? Where?

44 Same with proportional votes.

45 I'm doin' Maine and iowa-that's my bet boys!

46 Hate to say it but Romney is the only one who can possibly defeat Barry.
The Pubbie list sucks that bad.
I cry as I write this.

47 I have a proposal for a new rule:  Bankrupt states can't vote.

48 It's funny, when we talk about the SCOAMF's, er, SCOAMFery, one part of our brains believes that he faces a Reichsgarten-quality downfall in 2012, regardless of the candidate...but when we're confronted with geographic realities of the electoral college, we recognize the difficulty in overcoming the regional barriers. That's why I keep saying the only way to save ourselves is a military overthrow of the government and subsequent dissolution of the Republic.

49 Come on CAC hit us with the digits!

50 Hey, where'd everybody go?

51 Of course Mitt could flip Michigan. Not guaranteed, but if you consider any of the candidates on the basis of which of these states we could flip solely on who the candidate is. Kind of a bankshot pro-Mitt argument.

52 Well if you look at CAC's map, it is not a sure thing that we lose if we don't flip a Gore blue state.  Just look at the unshaded areas.  All we have to do is carry all of those.  And that is actually fairly likely.  Although I doubt we will carry both NV and CO, but all we would need to do is spot SCOAMF just one of them.

53 When was the last time Minnesota's electoral's went Republican? Fifty years ago?

I looked it up, it was 1976. So it'll be thirty two years.

54 PA could be the keystone to this next election...

I see what you did there.

55 Math? 1st

56 That map makes my point that this country needs high-speed rail.

57 Elf just showed up to our xmas party.

58 I'd take Nevada. Sandoval won by a landslide-although Rory Reid was a crappy em nominee. However I think they have one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation-something like 13% IIRC

59 If we take any of those, it will be Iowa. 

60

I don't agree with this hypothesis though.  12 years is a long time, demographically speaking.

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at December 02, 2011 07:33 PM (dXeKp)

Not a hypothesis, fact. Check the elections from 1884 (the first "flip" since both parties were nationally competitive and each party had won once) all the way through 2008.

61 Chemjeff math is hard and all, but we could spot BOTH NV and CO and win with this map

62 What the heck were we doing-when we had the convention there?

63 Where are the other seven?
Posted by: Barky O'Genius

West Carolina only shimmers into existence for one day every one hundred years.

64

 Although I doubt we will carry both NV and CO, but all we would need to do is spot SCOAMF just one of them.

Mittens carries both CO and Nevada.  Newtie, not so much.

Mittens plays to the heavy Mormon population in both states, plus the suburbs, and marginally swpl like areas of Denver.

65 In order to get PA, the idiots in charge of the Republican party better start hitting Obama hard on the economy, energy (specifically Obama's stance on coal and natural gas) and jobs.   They really need to start hitting hard and often.  We are, after all, going toe to toe against Scranton's finest, Sheriff Joe! 

66 BTW the last time Minnesota went for the R was in 1972.
They ain't flippin'.

67 This is just about as solid as the 20 year Presidential curse.  It is solid until it is over.

68 Look guys, I know some here don't want to believe this but today was somewhat of a watershed event in that it appears possible the the UE rate going into next November might very well be in the mid/low 7's. If that happens and assuming everything remains as it is today, then not only does Obama win but he wins big. Maybe not as big as 2008 but a W is still a W as far as he's concerned at this point. I know that the UE rate calculation is BS (it really is) but it won't matter to many out there that are on the fence right now re: Obama and his performance thus far. I'm quite confident that there are a great many that could be persuaded to vote for him again if they're convinced that things are now moving in the right direction. It's BS of course but that's how the gray matter (what little there is) between the ears of most "independents" work. I don't like the fact that Obama's chances for a second term just shot up but it is what it is. I need another drink....thank God for Rum.

69 I'm telling you-Nevada goes without the Mormons. Hell the Mormon in NV get you- Harry. Dirty Harry.

70 I think you guys forget that Iowa is ethanol and the agricultural food industry, both depend heavily on government subsidies. I sure wouldn't bet on Iowa going red.

71 It's bellwether, not bellweather. I always love your maps though.

72 This is the view of America that Santa would see if he existed.

73 Pennsylvania.  It will come down to whether Philly's turnout drops below 110%.

74 Montana should get as many votes as TX and ILL half as many... : )

75 23 I think you're right runningn. Eric Holder has given them permission to be as corrupt, intimidating, and illegal as they want to be. In many places where the cities are run entirely by democrats they already make it pretty obvious that their "vote counting" is just pretend.

76 The trend will continue until it doesn't. 

77 A better analysis is which of those tan states can SCOAMF win. VA is not going to go his way again. NC is probably a long shot. Florida is a no. Texas?! It is to laugh. He's got to make up 17 votes out of all the rest. Tough sledding. Unless he's running against Ron Paul, he's in a world of hurt.

78

In case anyone thinks I am trying to push Romney using double-secret-reverse psychology:

Cain, Perry, Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, and Romney all polled with a lead or M.O.E in at least one of these states this year- the most frequent for reddening was Pennsylvania, but Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Maine, Connecticut and Minnesota all had at least one nasty poll for Obama (and great press for a GOP candidate).

79 With each passing day, and each shooting star candidate, I get the sinking feeling that this thing is rigged six ways to Sunday.
If we could prohibit lying, cheating, stealing and the MFM (same thing posing as media) for 12 months the commies would have no shot.

80 It's bellwether, not bellweather. I always love your maps though.

I've said that same wrong statement myself, in spelling.

81 mmmmm...pudding Posted by: garrett at December 02, 2011 07:22 PM (8Yqrz) ZOMG! I love pudding!

82 Ignoring reapportionment, you could obviously win by winning the exact same states that Bush won in 2000.

83 I have it on good authority that Guam will flip.

84 Breaking: the AP calls CA for 0bama as early and often votes roll in..

85 So the most likely candidates are New Mexico, Iowa. PA is a long shot but not impossible given how poorly Obama is treating the energy industry in the state.   Looking at this map it makes sense that Axelrod thinks the white working class don't matter. The Democrats core strength is the inner cities. Wealthy white liberals and poor minorities are their voting block. But why piss away the electoral votes in Nevada, Colorado, and Iowa?    

86 This is just about as solid as the 20 year Presidential curse. It is solid until it is over. Wow, my comment box shrunk! I was going to say, is that like the Madden Curse?

87 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

88

Ooh, weird, it's back to normal now!  I didn't have the little tool bar on top and my box was really small.

89 I didn't have the little tool bar on top and my box was really small.

So. Many. Jokes.

90

Not a hypothesis, fact. Check the elections from 1884 (the first "flip" since both parties were nationally competitive and each party had won once) all the way through 2008.

I trust you.  And it's interesting.  Worth talking about.  I could see the GOP winning the Presidency without any of those states though.  Wisconsin strikes me as marginally more important, because I view it as somewhat of a bell weather this time around.

We shall see.

I also, (without any evidence to back me up) think that demographics in the last 12 years are much more volatile than they have been in say, the last 50 to 80. (more movement from north to south for example) 

91 Ooh, weird, it's back to normal now!  I didn't have the little tool bar on top and my box was really small.

This shit is freakin' me out, man.

92

@23: "Mark my words."

Consider them marked.

93
I think this is a game changer.

Perry has gone for a complete makeover he's rolling out next week.
All I can say is, wow. He's sure going for a new demographic.
It's a gamble, but it might just work.

94 70 I think you guys forget that Iowa is ethanol and the agricultural food industry, both depend heavily on government subsidies. I sure wouldn't bet on Iowa going red.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 02, 2011 07:44 PM (GZitp)

But lots of other farm states are also dependent on ethanol corn subsidies, including reliably red ones (Dakotas, Nebraska, etc.)  So that's not it.

95 DOOM:  269 to 269 

96

Not a hypothesis, fact. Check the elections from 1884 (the first "flip" since both parties were nationally competitive and each party had won once) all the way through 2008.

Posted by: CAC at December 02, 2011 07:41 PM (tPqaR)

Correllation is not Causation.

97 Newt would look like an idiot in a cornbrero.

98

This is just about as solid as the 20 year Presidential curse.  It is solid until it is over.

Thank you Ronald Reagan!  And GB really put it to bed, with no attempt on his life.

99 I'm more confident in Wisconsin, the Walker recall vote in May or June will be a good indicator.

100 61 Chemjeff math is hard and all, but we could spot BOTH NV and CO and win with this map

Posted by: Blaster at December 02, 2011 07:41 PM (Fw2Gg)

oops, duh - you are right, I was thinking 270 was a tie, not a win

101 I love this interactive map site.

102 Pennsylvania? In The Bag, BABY!

103 Every.time. I get all excited about-PA and then- Boom! It doesn't happen.

104 Question/complaint here.
 
 If you find a candidate who espouses most if not all your positions,with the squishy areas not being deal breakers, why is it so hard to stay the course with that individual?  I see so much flirtation with the flavor of the week, and don't at all understand this.

 This isn't touting any specific candidate, just an honest question.

105 95 DOOM:  269 to 269 

Posted by: Beth at December 02, 2011 07:50 PM (kBxk7)

yup, then it goes to House of Reps, where we win

106 I do not understand this system.

107 Beth Oh Snap!

108 > 48 the only way to save ourselves is a military overthrow of the government and subsequent dissolution of the Republic. Posted by: Big Fat Meanie Your ideas intrigue me. Where can I subscribe to your newsletter twitter feed?

109 88 I see what you did there runningrn.

110 This is just about as solid as the 20 year Presidential curse. It is solid until it is over. Wow, my comment box shrunk! I was going to say, is that like the Madden Curse?

Posted by: runningrn at December 02, 2011 07:48 PM (u/RSM)

From 1840 until 1980, every president elected in a year divisible by 20 died in office. You heard about it all the time when I was growing up.

The Madden Curse is real - Ask Peyton Hillis

111 yup, then it goes to House of Reps, where we win

With that scenario we also get new cities since the old ones are burned to the ground

112 77 A better analysis is which of those tan states can SCOAMF win.

I think he has a good shot at VA, NV and CO.  NV and CO are becoming more Californicated every day, and once Obama's fear machine kicks into overdrive, he will scare the Northern Virginians that if the Republican is elected, he will fire all the gubmint workers.

113 Rules were made to be broken.

That's what I'm thinking.  A trend is a trend, until it's not.

Why can't we just win all the states that W won in 2000 and be happy?

114

@49: "Come on CAC hit us with the digits!"

Yep! Give us a good bean-flicking.

115 Jeebus... I'm off to go get Sandoval's landslide numbers for all you all. Plus the damn unemployment rate....

116

I’ve stated before that I think vote fraud should be punished in the harshest way possible because it strikes at the very core of what being a free citizen means. That having been said I offer the theory that the Left knows that elections are messy and unpredicatble things and deep down they know that they will never honestly convince 51% of the people to support their insane policies – hence the need for media manipulation and vote fraud. My theory is that California is the Left’s experimental laboratory. Most crazy ideas start there and then eventually migrate to the rest of the country. I think the November 2010 election was one of their experiments. While the Republicans swept to victory in a historic fashion through the other 49 states, California mysteriously and magically did the exact opposite. Was it truly that Californian’s are a different breed? Perhaps. But equally or even more likely is that the election was decided long before any votes were cast through a combination of shoddy and fraudulent registration, through, who knows how many, fraudulent absentee ballots, to voting without having to show ID – all overseen by a Democrat controlled government infrastructure which would have no interest whatsoever in performing its job with any integrity and with its only goal being to win. Hard and maybe impossible to prove but it strikes me as uncanny that California’s election results were so out of step with the rest of the country – unless you believe that manipulation was used. And if California is in fact a huge laboratory for the Left, then look for the same to be coming to a state near you – in the very near future. Like 2012.

117 That 269-269 map, btw, is not a prediction - it's just my usual pessimism and lack of faith in damn yankees on election day, regardless of the nominee (but especially if the nominee has a Texas accent, to which I am most favorably inclined).
But yes, God bless the Republican majority in the House should that happen.  (Paul Ryan!)

118 112 No way Va. McDonnell has a 70% approval rating and a surplus. It's not going blue this time. If the actual votes are counted

119

But lots of other farm states are also dependent on ethanol corn subsidies, including reliably red ones (Dakotas, Nebraska, etc.)  So that's not it.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 02, 2011 07:50 PM (s7mIC)

You're not taking into account what goes along with that, stability. Iowa sits with a unemployment rate around 5% to 6%. Not bad and it's because of the stability of ethanol and the food markets. Iowans won't be begging for change especially if the GOP candidate threatens to throw a wrench into what keeps them so stable. People will vote for there own self interests, a Republican President won't be in most of Iowan's interests.

120 Posted by: LGoPs at December 02, 2011 07:59 PM (+Uv5V

Vote Fraud has been a Democratic Staple since 1820, if not earlier.

121 The Repubs will find a way to blow it.

122 Electoral history Nevada Attorney General Election, 2002[7] Republican Brian Sandoval 290,471 58.32% Democratic John Hunt 167,513 33.63% Nevada gubernatorial election, 2010[7] Republican Brian Sandoval 382,350 53.4% Democratic Rory Reid 298,170 41.6% **** And get this Sandoval isn't even a Mormon!

123 Maybe WI or NV. Probably not PA unless it's cold in Philly and Obama's natural constituents decide to stay home that day.

124 I think Pennsylvania.  Right now the main Dem areas are still Phillie and Harrisburg.   Phillie will never change but they don't have the best history of getting out voters.  If the Repubs worked hard in the western part of the state and pulled a break even in the the northeast and central, it's definitely possible.

125 Whoops, not NV, I meant ME.

126 NV-13.4% unemployment Oct. 2011 Could be the highest in the country. Plus the SEIU is PO'd with Obama because of the- Don't go to Las Vegas speel.

127

Vote Fraud has been a Democratic Staple since 1820, if not earlier.

I agree. And if there ever was anything worth fighting over, that's it, in my mind. If we just accept fraud then what the fuck is the point of voting?

128 @98: "This is just about as solid as the 20 year Presidential curse.  It is solid until it is over.

Thank you Ronald Reagan!"

-----------------------

More accurately, thank shoddy workmanship at the Devastator ammunition factory.  If the round had functioned as designed, Reagan wouldn't have survived. 

129

Dammit to hell I am sick and tired of these RINOs continuing to confuse me with nonsense about states, voting, electrical votes or whatever, and historical voting and electrocution patterns.

The only issue that matters in an election, geeks, is that of purging the GOP of Mexican loving RINOs.  Winning a general election is for losers and chumps.  Losing a general election with a pure and true conservative is for winners and heroes, like me.  The objective is to have the liberal Democrat in office and then to have an ideologically pure Republican opposition who blocks the liberal Democrat from doing stuff.  That prevents us from losing slower, which is what we get when Republicans are in office.  Like with Reagan.  Like with Bushleague. 

When the framers wrote the declaration of constitution the whole point was that "winning" elections didn't matter and that "compromising" with others was evil and against nature. 

You can smoke all this crap about, hey, look Mr. Irrational, this state does X and that state does Y, and if we do this we get Z, and then I'll say step off RINOs and blow it out of your arses.

I'd rather the nation perish than to have a vaccine pimp RINO as the nominee.  Along similar lines I was happy when I went totally brain dead, as it saved me from making tough decisions.

Gingrich-Bachmann-Palin, '12.   

130 Fuck you. I'm going to Hawaii for 17 days.

131 How has soros done with his plan to take over all the state attorneys general?

132 Vote Fraud has been a Democratic Staple since 1820, if not earlier.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 02, 2011 08:00 PM (z1N6a)

Random thought, since soldiers are coming home from Iraq, their absentee votes can't be "lost" anymore, right?

Oh, who am I kidding.

133 Posted by: LGoPs at December 02, 2011 07:59 PM (+Uv5V)

California GOP assented to redrawing the map into all safe districts, so nobody was in contention even during a wave election.  And they are seen as increasingly irrelevant and impotent, even by the few Conservatives.

We had to draft and actor for Governor, and get him in via recall.

134

@105: "yup, then it goes to House of Reps, where we win"

That's what you think, pal.

135

Posted by: tasker at December 02, 2011 08:03 PM (r2PLg)

tasker, I understand what you're saying, but then you tell me why California continues to elect idiot Dems when their state is going down the tubes?  That is the Californication that I speak of.  These same people are exporting themselves to NV and CO.  The type of people who will automatically and reflexively vote for Democrats, regardless of the economic consequences, because to them it is a sign of sophistication and intelligence and elitism.

136 Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at December 02, 2011 08:04 PM (f8XyF)

You are truly a Great American. Newsletter?

137 Random thought, since soldiers are coming home from Iraq, their absentee votes can't be "lost" anymore, right? Oh, who am I kidding. ***** Don't worry Erik-I'nm going to hand deliver the ballots to the prisons...

138 Posted by: chemjeff at December 02, 2011 08:06 PM (s7mIC)

I think the electorate in CA voted in Dems because the GOP is impotent. If they don't fix it, we are likely to do some crazy ass shit like Prop 13 on their ass.

139 You are truly a Great American. Newsletter? Posted by: Sean Hannity at December 02, 2011 08:06 PM **** LOL!

140

I agree. And if there ever was anything worth fighting over, that's it, in my mind. If we just accept fraud then what the fuck is the point of voting?

Posted by: LGoPs at December 02, 2011 08:03 PM (+Uv5V)

Yeah, this.

We're not approaching totalitarianism, we're already there.

141

Posted by: lowandslow at December 02, 2011 08:00 PM (GZitp)

well, let us hope that we have a candidate who can explain to Iowa and others that the subsidies are ending either way, because we are fucking broke

142

We're not approaching totalitarianism, we're already there.

Posted by: ErikW at December 02, 2011 08:08 PM (Y0pZ/)

Words have exact meanings.

143

well, let us hope that we have a candidate who can explain to Iowa and others that the subsidies are ending either way, because we are fucking broke

Posted by: chemjeff at December 02, 2011 08:08 PM (s7mIC)

I guess the silver lining on that is, both Newt and Mitt love pandering about the wonders of ethanol. Neither one have the political courage to tell Iowans/corn growers the truth.

144

We're not approaching totalitarianism, we're already there.

Posted by: ErikW at December 02, 2011 08:08 PM (Y0pZ/)

I agree. And one of the most frustrating things is that half of the fucking people around me are sleeepwalking through it. They haven't the slightest fucking idea. These truly are people who are no longer my countrymen (TWANLOCs).

145

Words have exact meanings.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 02, 2011 08:09 PM (z1N6a)

Yes they do. So much so that even a numbnut like myself can unserstand them.

146 45 I'm doin' Maine and iowa-that's my bet boys!   Maine is in love with free stuff. All that Yankee ingenuity goes down the shitter when they get  back $1.40 for every $1 they give the feds. It is 10th in the nation.

147

I agree. And one of the most frustrating things is that half of the fucking people around me are sleeepwalking through it. They haven't the slightest fucking idea. These truly are people who are no longer my countrymen (TWANLOCs).

Posted by: LGoPs at December 02, 2011 08:14 PM (+Uv5V)

That's probably 90% of the people I know. Most of them are clueless. They couldn't name the VP or what's going on in Syria but they know that Nash scored the shoot out goal to win the game for the Blow Jackets.

148 Haven't read the rest of the comments but I'll go with Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and possibly Michigan.

149 Can I do this after the cocktails wear off?

150

Posted by: ErikW at December 02, 2011 08:24 PM (Y0pZ/)

All I know is that if things turn all Armageddonish on us I'll circle the wagons and dig in and my harshest response will be saved for the smart-ass half-wits around me who, like you say, know in infinite detail the latest sports scores or who the fuck is dancing with the stars tonight but have nothing but snide remarks for anything I say warning them of what's coming. Biblical wrath and all that shit on their heads. 

151 2Someone needs to take some of California's 55 electoral votes from my them for being cock suckers every four years

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 02, 2011 07:23 PM (LoF2Z)

 

Yep. Let me call down an air strike on my own position. Sometimes you gotta step up to the plate.

152

Yep. Let me call down an air strike on my own position. Sometimes you gotta step up to the plate.

If you're dug in you've got a decent chance at surviving. I'm digging in.

153 Perry has gone for a complete makeover he's rolling out next week.
All I can say is, wow. He's sure going for a new demographic.
It's a gamble, but it might just work.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 02, 2011 07:50 PM (Qxdfp)

Retards for Perry!

154 I think the electorate in CA voted in Dems because the GOP is impotent. If they don't fix it, we are likely to do some crazy ass shit like Prop 13 on their ass.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 02, 2011 08:07 PM (z1N6a)

 

Let's face it, Prop. 13 is toast. Asshole Moonbeam opposed it the first time, the Legislature is heavily Red, and the state has run out of other people's money. Prop. 13 is on death watch. Unfortunately. It produces some inequities, but kept the Reds from going even more apeshit for the last 30-something years.

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156

California GOP assented to redrawing the map into all safe districts, so nobody was in contention even during a wave election. 

 

The problem is that all the Reds are concentrated along the coast, so drawing districts with 50% grownups entails districts that run in a strip from, say, Santa Monica out to Fresno. Kinda reverse gerrymandering, if you will.

157

I agree. And if there ever was anything worth fighting over, that's it, in my mind. If we just accept fraud then what the fuck is the point of voting?

 

Bullseye. Consider California, where millions voted for Prop. 8 defining marriage as between a man and a woman (what a concept!). Then a judge said, nope, we got it wrong. And it turns out he's a shirtlifter himself, and so not exactly a disinterested party. Why the fuck did we bother voting? We should've just asked Judge Fruit what he thought.

158 I grew up in Northeastern (extremely rural) Calif---we drove 60 miles for major shopping.,medical specialists, and new movies to Reno. The people there are conservative/libertarian for the most part. Because of casino work their liberal thorn are the unions. That is the real reason Reid keeps getting re-elected but in this political climate I don't even see that keeping Dems strong there. I say Nevada will flip for Romney for sure and maybe even Newt. The chore for us will be to handle the voter fraud and th BTW Mormons do not consider either Huntsman or Reid to be 'real' Mormans but they put up with them because they wield political clout. They do consider Romney the real thing and the Mormon vote is big in Nevada.

159 Why the fuck did we bother voting? We should've just asked Judge Fruit what he thought.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 02, 2011 08:55 PM (/Wbca)

And that shit's been going on for years. The Left has turned making our vote worthless into a science. And most of my fellow citizens just yawn and say "Hey, who's on American Idol tonight". I'm at a loss and don't think that this can be turned around by normal electoral means - not even if we win by biblical proportions. The Left is too entrenched and will need to be rooted out with fucking bayonets.

160 If I did a search asking "where are all of the union thugs and douches", the map would look like that one.

161 LGoPs,  one of the things we MUST do is convince voters that being informed is neither boring nor pointless.  Ppeople should be ASHAMED not to know who their senators are, or who the vice-president is.  They should have a basic understanding of where government checks come from (and it is NOT "Obama's stash").

My theory on how to do this involves shaming people for their ignorance and making it "uncool" to not know these things.  If Bono knows stuff like this,  there is no reason why the average  suburban teen shouldn't.

Besides,  politics,  when truly followed,  is like a combination of soap operas, warfare, video games, and sports.  What's not to like?

162 I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

163 LGoPs,  one of the things we MUST do is convince voters that being informed is neither boring nor pointless.... 

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 02, 2011 09:17 PM (GoIUi)

I agree Miss Marple but the frustration I run into mostly is that the people I'm surrounded by - reasonably well educated engineers and technicians, professionals all - think that they're informed but in reality are brainwashed beyond repair. They are extremely skeptical and critical of any of the 'conservative' ideas I bring up - which means they have the ability to be critical and skeptical. Unfortunately, it is 100% leftist skepticism. I try to appeal to them by saying 'that's good that you're skeptical of me. Now just try applying some of that same skepticism to what you hear from NPR or MSNBC'. All to no avail. They are truly hopeless and a lost cause. Our options are rapidly being reduced to surrendering or fighting. The Left has killed civil discourse and any chance of persuasion. 

164 23rd Amendment to the Constitution, ratified 1961, just fyi: Section 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct: A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. The fake rep has nothing to do with it.

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LGoPs, try this. Don't argue about policies - they're a matter of opinion - but plant the seed in their minds that the media are hopelessly biased. Point out that they hid evidence of John Edwards' bullshit, when they knew damned well he was cheating on his dying wife (personal matter, doncha know), and yet were happy to put unsubstantiated (and apparently bogus) rumors of a McCain affair with a lobbyist on page one of the NYT (public's right to know, even if it's untrue, doncha know). 

The conclusion is inescapable: the media have their thumbs - hell, their elbows - on the scale. The idea is to get them thinking, and evaluating information - and its source - critically.

From that, all else follows.

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Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 02, 2011 09:38 PM (/Wbca)

Agreed Jay. But my fallback plan is to move out to the country somewhere, to a nice quiet place. With open fields of fire.

 

167 #167  I agree.  My daughter moved back home when her marriage broke up.  She is a democrat and was an Obama voter. 

I have spent the last year pointing out how there were things she didn't know: Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, John Edwards, Christmas tree tax, forced buying of health insurance, etc.

I never blame this on her.  I ALWAYS talk about how the media is covering up things and distracting everyone with American Idol and stuff.  I even criticize Fox for this,  which makes me look impartial.

She told me last week she will vote for ANYONE on the GOP ticket in order to get rid of Obama,  because she thinks he is destroying the country.

It can be done.  It's not easy.  Making the media the villain is a good way to get people to blame THEM and switch without looking foolish. 

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Someone needs to take some of California's 55 electoral votes from my them for being cock suckers every four years

If we only counted actual US citizens and not illegal aliens or noncitizen resident aliens, that WOULD happen.

If it is any consolation, this is the first census where CA gained no congresscritter. And frankly, this place is on its way to being MI with nicer weather.

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Michigan is not red, yet.  But we are getting closer.

Dare I say it? We are moving from purple to pink.

And we look cute that way cause pink is the New Red.

170 Going by CAC's list, we got realistic chances in, what?  New Mexico? Maybe Iowa?  Maybe Pennsylvania?  Maybe Wisconsin?  I'd say Minnesota, but the Dems will just steal it.  Maybe they'll steal Wisconsin as well. 

I think we can get New Mexico.

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NV and CO are becoming more Californicated every day

Take heart, they are refugee populations and net Republican gains.

172 I think we can get NH, IN and OH. PA maybe.

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tasker, I understand what you're saying, but then you tell me why California continues to elect idiot Dems when their state is going down the tubes?

Because we have:

1. Racial gerrymandering, and the worst stoking of ethnic resentments I have ever seen, from the Reginald Denny beating to the OJ trial to the marches for Amnesty in 2006.

2. Hispandering fools in the CA GOP, who just can't get over their cheap gardeners and maids,

3. The irony of the end of the Cold War. A once large defense establishment kept CA safely GOP for years, but now it is gone.

These same people are exporting themselves to NV and CO.

Take heart--NO, they are not. The CA refugees going to NV, CO, AZ are largely White, largely conservative (save for abortions and pot legalization) and don't like what has happened to their state.

The type of people who will automatically and reflexively vote for Democrats, regardless of the economic consequences, because to them it is a sign of sophistication and intelligence and elitism.

Nope. The elites stayed behind. They are the "green" ecofiends, the Rule Of The Anus Left who wants to indoctrinate the kids, and the Professional Tenured Profs. These people run CA now and rely on stoking the resentful ethnics to keep them in office.

175 Chemjeff Sorry I missed seeing your question before-and hell's bells Curmudgeon has a better answer than I would have.

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180 Curmudgeon @176:
I fear that the people you describe in your comment will cut off their noses to spite their face. I've seen them do it over and over and over again. Abortion trumps ALL other issues with them. If they are faced with a pro-life Republican, they will vote Democrat. Even if they knew that voting Dem would mean they'd lose their job, their house, their country, and every other freedom except "reproductive freedom," they would vote against the Republican. They are willing to give up every other freedom except the freedom to abort legally. It's bizarre, it's perverse, but it's a fact. Count on it.

Just as, last spring, the Dems threatened to have a government shutdown rather than cut funding for Planned Parenthood. I'm telling you, the abortion franchise trumps every other concern.

We're going to lose the United States of America because Americans simply will not give up killing one-third of their children before birth.

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Michigan is in the bag for the GOP.

 

In 2010, a republican won the governorship against an Obama loyalist that had the total backing of the unions by 20 points.  The unions and the automotive business are not the driving forces that they used to be.

Macomb county is the critical swing area filled with Reagan democrats.  Last month, the Detroit Free Press (a radically liberal paper) polled and found that:

“In a head-to-head matchup statewide, Romney tops Obama 46%-41% in the poll.”

“In Macomb, where Obama received 53% of the vote in 2008, the president trails Romney, 68%-20%. Even controlling for a high margin of error because of a small sample size in the county, Obama trails Romney in Macomb by at least 20 percentage points.”

“The other top two Republican presidential candidates, Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich, also lead the president in Macomb, though not in Oakland.

Obama's problem lies with independent voters, who helped him win three years ago but now favor Romney in Michigan and several other swing states.

"I will not vote before I (will) vote for him, and I've voted in every election since I was 18," said Karen Ranoni, 37, of Shelby Township, who backed Obama in 2008. "I just think it's been broken promise after broken promise."

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Look out for New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan and New Fuckin' Jersey.

We have a shot at the first three.  My beloved NF'nJ is going to break our hearts, once again.

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the GOP is gonna take PA.

Bitter clingers never drank the koolaid

they rolled the dice, lol, and are pixxed

PA like OH FL wanted Hillary

Newt is getting a strong shot b/c when people see what a real lefty poseur empty suit in the Oval looks like, they fuckin LONG FOR THE 90S

Romney 12

Hillary 16

184 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

185 Obama won 2008 outspending a rather weak candidate 4 to 1 and got 53-54% of the vote.... with all of Owe-bama's broken promises, lies and corruption I just can't believe he has lost less than 4% pts in popularity no matter who the nominee is.... and he is still a SCOAMF