1 Too late we are on a downward spiral and "the deal" has guaranteed it.

2 But I want to keep my cake!

3 Oh, I thought this thread was about that weird-ass sci-fi film from the 1950s about aliens who give various humans containers of three capsules each, with instructions about how they can use each one to destroy all human life within a 500-mile radius.  Or something.

4 1 Too late we are on a downward spiral and "the deal" has guaranteed it. Posted by: Vic Was it too late when the Asteroid hit Chicxulub?

5 > 2 But I want to keep my cake! Posted by: AE The Cake Is A Lie.

6 Wanna educate the ignorant quickly?  Tax them  ...even if it is just a little, but let them feel a bit of the pain.

7 Well put, ArthurK.  I agree that we need to be armed with facts, not simply invective.  We need to engage the economically illiterate and convince them in calm, clear terms that ...



_{Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.}

8 Verwunden mein Herz mit eintöniger Mattigkeit.

9 Hayek, Keynes and Macroeconomic Theory?  Never heard of them.

10 F'n sock

11 On one hand, the downgrade is concrete evidence that whatever Obama is doing, is not working and in fact is harming us.
On the other hand, the MBM is going to be relentlessly pushing the myth that it's the Tea Party's fault.
Though anyone who can rub two brain cells together would realize that is simply blaming the messenger for the bad news.

12 "Hey, this stuff isn't working out" The understatement of the millenium.

13 Have the numbers to show that if you not only taxed the rich but took all their money it still wouldn't solve the problem.

Eat the Rich!

14

>Tax them ...even if it is just a little, but let them feel a bit of the pain.

Yeppers, enough so that they notice in their pay check.  Suddenly they will become aware of economics right quick!

15 It's Day Three. Up and at 'em!

Yes, Dad.

16 P. J. O'Rourke paraphrased Milton Freidman when he pointed out how people tend to have four different ways of spending money, depending on whose money:
You spend your money on yourself. You're motivated to get the thing you want most at the best price. This is the way middle-aged men haggle with Porsche dealers. You spend your money on other people. You still want a bargain, but you're less interested in pleasing the recipient of your largesse. This is why children get underwear at Christmas. You spend other people's money on yourself. You get what you want but price no longer matters. The second wives who ride around with the middle-aged men in the Porsches do this kind of spending at Neiman Marcus. You spend other people's money on other people. And in this case, who gives a shit?

The last one is Government.

 

17

Ace is freaking out over a PPP registered voter poll showing Democrats surging when at best the rest of the generic polling from other pollsters shows it drawing back to a tie.

Ace is a great blogger. HotAirEeyorian when it comes to poll analysis.

The tide has shifted significantly to the right and will continue to do so into 2012 barring an unprecedented economic recovery.

18

I'm to the point where a meteor would be preferable to this shit.

These days ain't gettin' any better, regardless of how you count 'em.

19 I am Spartacus!

20 And how things like that cause uncertainty for businessmen resulting in them holding on to that 2 trillion dollar cash stockpile.

Do NOT mention this, you'll get the automatic response of "Well, they should turn all that money over to the government so they can create jobs instead of sitting there counting it"

21 F'n sock

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:20 PM (qiOph)

 

And may I point out that you sock is a miserable failure to boot!

22

Here's something to try -- when talking to your average lefty spouting the conventional wisdom the media told them:  just use the words: "I don't let the corporate media do my thinking for me."

It has several advantages: a) it makes the point that the folks yelling "get the corporations" the loudest are actually getting huge paychecks from "the corporations"; b) it reinforces the notion that everyone can think for themselves, and maybe they should try it; c) it opens the door to the discussion of where you can actually get info that is not filtered through the MFM first; d) for the most rabid class warriors, it puts them in a position of having to resolve a very weird conflict in their own head - (eg. how can I hate the rich and love Ted Turner?, or how can I be so opposed to corporate jets and swallow every bit of drivel GE throws my way?)  [You'll have to work your way slowly on this one cuz Teh Stupid is way, way strong.]  e) if nothing else, it tends to shut up the ones that think they can convince you of their bullshit and send them off to find some one dumber han you.

23 21-  Your sock

24 barring an unprecedented economic recovery. My specialty. I am a god, after all.

25 Commissioner "Black Hole" Price protects his assets.

26 Words.  Just words.

27 Ridicule is one of our strongest weapons. Seriously. Think about how important The Daily Show is to liberals. Hell, it seems like half of them get their news from Stewart & Colbert. The more we can mock Obama, the less cool he is. And since coolness is what got him elected, that's deadly.

Not bitter, sarcastic mockery. That's best used among ourselves. No, point out the blatant stupidity, the hilarious sycophancy of the media.

I thought of a good comparison which I modestly think is like a torpedo in Obama's thermal vent:  he's the BRAWNDO President. He's useless, harmful, but when you point that out everyone responds "But Obama's got electrolytes!"

28

And may I point out that you sock is a miserable failure to boot!

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2011 06:31 PM (hbAPu)

Are you pointing out that my sock is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?  Or that my sock sucked at pointing out that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

29

It's ok to complain that the media is biased and rarely informs the public about economic reality.

Yes, the media is biased and has an agenda -- but it doesn't really matter. If people don't want to hear it, they'll watch something else. Blaming "Wall Street fat cats" is easy and it makes them feel good, and it's cheaper than cocaine.

30 Favor a balanced approach.

You can still educate the ignorant about the pitfalls of socialism and communism while working in a few good slams on the stupid mofos in charge.

Pure civics and economics education is like horse tranquilizer to the ignorant and the dumb.

You must also be able to keep their interest so their eyes don't glaze over.

31

We don't need to convince every American. Not only is that hopeless there are a substantial number that want current policies continued. We need to reach enough people who never used to give a damn about economics that it matters and that current leadership Is Doing It Wrong.

 

 

YES!

 

we win one person at a time, so get out there and start working on your progressive relatives, yes we all hate them, but we gotta choke it down for the good of the Republic.

32 another PeePeePee poll, and you believe it.  Good for you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

33 RESIST WE MUCH!!!

34 we win one person at a time, so get out there and start working on your progressive relatives, yes we all hate them, but we gotta choke it down for the good of the Republic.

Posted by: Shoey at August 10, 2011 06:35 PM (jdOk/)

On the other hand, can't we just shoot them?

35 Hey cool.  This is that rah rah shit the blog was doing in the lead up to the '10 elections.  Good stuff.

36 Are you pointing out that my sock is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? Or that my sock sucked at pointing out that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? Even the most clusterfuckering stutter of a sock could not out-fail the misery that is archetypically defined by the stutterfucking clusternut of a failing misery named Barack Obama.

37 But I can talk to One Person.

Never underestimate the sway on the third person. The one just passively listening on a discussion. People become emotionally vested in argument and discussion once it has begun. You will rarely change an opinion during a discussion by direct discussion. You may, if you are lucky, get the person you are talking to to privately reassess their position. More likely though you will influence those sitting on the sideline, leaning perhaps against your side, but without having chosen one *yet*. That third person in the argument is the one you argue to. How do I convince the marginally interested onlooker to my position in this discussion. You will be far more effective that way, and it will temper any tendency you may have to show off-putting negative emotions, as you deftly defend that which you hold dear against those who would willfully destroy it. 

38 33 RESIST WE MUCH!!!

lol, were you able to listen to Rush today?  I really haven't had much inclination to listen to him as of late, but I caught him today.  I laughed outloud when Rush suggested that Sharpton should have said that in the tone Al utliziles when he's engaging in "street" racial demagoguery. 

39

One of the most prevalent arguments I hear is "You can't mess with people's Social Security, they paid for that."  People still beleive their Social Security money is locked in a vault somewhere when in fact the money was spent decades ago and Social Security is just another government welfare check backed by the tax receipts we expect from your grandkids.  Practically speaking, it's just part of our income tax now, but a lot of people can't seem to connect those dots.

40 34we win one person at a time, so get out there and start working on your progressive relatives, yes we all hate them, but we gotta choke it down for the good of the Republic.

Posted by: Shoey at August 10, 2011 06:35 PM (jdOk/)

On the other hand, can't we just shoot them?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:36 PM (qiOph)

 

 

that's just what they would be expecting us to do....

41 _{I thought of a good comparison which I modestly think is like a torpedo in Obama's thermal vent:  he's the BRAWNDO President. He's useless, harmful, but when you point that out everyone responds "But Obama's got electrolytes!"}

Exactly.

42 hat's just what they would be expecting us to do....

Posted by: Shoey at August 10, 2011 06:39 PM (jdOk/)

You're a sneaky bastard.  I like that.

43

Ridicule is one of our strongest weapons. Seriously. Think about how important The Daily Show is to liberals. Hell, it seems like half of them get their news from Stewart & Colbert. The more we can mock Obama, the less cool he is. And since coolness is what got him elected, that's deadly.

 

BINGO!!  That is exactly where so many of the under-40 crowd gets their news.  Because, you know, they're so funny, witty, and smart.

44

that's just what they would be expecting us to do....

Posted by: Shoey at August 10, 2011 06:39 PM (jdOk/)

Good.  Then they aren't as far gone as I thought.

45
is this a riddle?

46 It's morning in America, already?

47 "Narcissistic sociopaths like Obama don't believe they are wrong, they believe everyone else is both stupid and wrong."

Sounds just like *it* to me. Most here that know *it* believe so too.  Others will find out soon enough, I suppose, so why do you think *it* hangs around?

Attention? Relevance?  Or just to be fed?

48 You guys talking about "Opinion Leaders"???  The concept was ID'd back in the first substantive analysis of American voters--titled "The American Voter"

Yes, many people are not interested in or knowledgeable about politics--and they make their voting decision on what they hear from others:  Spouses, friends, and people who seem  to know and care about politics and govt

So yes, you can influence the voting decisions of others.  Like TheMoose says, the ones not talking in the conversation are often listening.   Carefully

49

Are you pointing out that my sock is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? Or that my sock sucked at pointing out that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:34 PM (qiOph)

 

The second, leaving off the miserable failure part of  "Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure" is verboten. 

Your sock has not worked hard enough to deserve the title "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure." That is reserved for such emminences as Bagdad Bob, Robert Mugabe, Hugo Chavez, Tony Dow, and Barack Obama as the Beaver.

50

If anyone has any at hand, I would greatly appreciate some links to basic data, preferably in easy-to-rad graph form (because I want to show it to some lefties) of U.S. tax rates in general and how they've varied over - well, say post-WWII 'till now, although earlier is obviously good too.

How much of its overall income does the average family pay back to the govt., State or Federal... this kind of thing.

This stuff can't not be out there.  If anyone happens to know a source for something like this I'd be very grateful.

51 jwm it's down below linking away....

52 I'm never wrong, and everyone else is both stupid and wrong.

53 I'm going to re-post this from the thread below because 1) it is good and 2) it's the AOSHQ way.

  T Paw is coming out swinging.

54 our sock has not worked hard enough to deserve the title "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure." That is reserved for such emminences as Bagdad Bob, Robert Mugabe, Hugo Chavez, Tony Dow, and Barack Obama as the Beaver.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2011 06:42 PM (hbAPu)

Dude I'll get right on that.  I'm embarrassed to be outdone by Barack Obama (who is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure) as the Beaver.

55

2) it's the AOSHQ way.

You'll need to double up, then.

56

what's a T-Paw?

 

57 My favorite comparison is:

Obama is Happy Fun Ball.

(nbc.com link)

58
<sub><sup>Together, the three agencies have spent $16 million on lobbying the past decade.

link</sup></sub>

59 Happy Fun Ball is a classic

60

Dude I'll get right on that. I'm embarrassed to be outdone by Barack Obama (who is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure) as the Beaver.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:45 PM (qiOph)

 

All right then

61

Obama is Happy Fun Ball.

The Hartman years were the best years.

62 Even if such an education campaign were to succeed, we are still DOOMED.  No even remotely politically feasible plan can reform entitlements to the point where we can avoid collapse.  We can merely delay it.  Read Monty's posts, use the little "debt calculator" websites, and see for yourself.
Fine, we should work on education, but only to prepare the groundwork so that we have an electorate that will go with our plan to rebuild after the inevitable crash, and not the Alinskyite plan.

63 37 But I can talk to One Person.

Never underestimate the sway on the third person. The one just passively listening on a discussion. People become emotionally vested in argument and discussion once it has begun. You will rarely change an opinion during a discussion by direct discussion. You may, if you are lucky, get the person you are talking to to privately reassess their position. More likely though you will influence those sitting on the sideline, leaning perhaps against your side, but without having chosen one *yet*. That third person in the argument is the one you argue to. How do I convince the marginally interested onlooker to my position in this discussion. You will be far more effective that way, and it will temper any tendency you may have to show off-putting negative emotions, as you deftly defend that which you hold dear against those who would willfully destroy it. 

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 10, 2011 06:38 PM (0q2P7)

This is why I've taken to stirring up political arguments with my more ardently liberal friends when I'm out with the old crew. I always know I'll smoke them on the facts, and throw in some ridicule where called for (I like making fun of Gaia worship).

I know I'll never likely change their minds, but most of the rest of my friends are "independents". I turned several hard R in 2010, and I credit this method as one of the primary reasons. Although Barky being a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure also helped a lot.

64 and there it is again

65
  T Paw is coming out swinging.

That's racist.

66

Your job is to correct that. Instead of saying "Obama Sucks" you should be blah blah blah blah

Or you could just punch a hippy right in his stupid bearded face and call it a day.

67 We must always be civil.  Instead of saying that Dick is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, we should instead say, I'm really not that impressed with Barak Obama.  And we need to say it with a straight face too.

68

 and call it a day.

 

You should really spit on them, too.   They need the bath.

69 I really like Warden's take ...

70 Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 06:47 PM (k1rwm)

Oh, I understand: you have your period!

71
I was looking up some Obama shit earlier today on gooogles and came across McCain's ad comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears.

Remember that?
It was immediately denounced as racist. Why?

Because it was a 'dog whistle' for racists. You see, any time you put a black man in a video with white women, it sends a secret signal to racists that black men are trying to steal all the white womens.

It was the same shit Chris Mattews and others pulled in 2006 about Corker/Ford.

72 _{Or you could just punch a hippy right in his stupid bearded face and call it a day.}

Every time a hippy gets punched, God makes a beautiful rainbow.

73

Wisdom is often painful when it arrives, no?

Kinda feels like you've been betrayed by the very folks you thought to protect?

Might as well go out and flog the tide, for all the good it will do.

Move south. Maybe America 2.0 won't suck.

74 So who has actually managed to change a mind when it comes to politics with facts and history and economic theory? I haven't. Maybe I'm just not effective. I don't like dealing with stupid people. But, I must say that people aren't very receptive of this information even when you lay it out in calm, cool terms.

75 I say we all have plan for our liberal relatives. The night before elections we hide their car keys, cable TV remote and cause a sudden internet outage. We move all calenders one day back and tell them the election isn't for another day. We have When Harry Met Sally and An Inconvenient Truth cued up on their DVD players. We give them a coloring book titled Obamanomics For Dummies and a few dull crayons.
 
Make sure the crayons are child safe as we don't want anyone to get hurt.

76 charlie it's a cramp

77 Most liberals don't even want to examine the issues, or listen to argument.  They dismiss you as insane.

I guess things haven't gotten bad enough yet.

78

Move south. Maybe America 2.0 won't suck.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at August 10, 2011 06:55 PM (lgw0N)

Dude, where the hell am I supposed to go? Any further south and I'll be running a drug cartel of my own.

79 67 ... Or you could just punch a hippy right in his stupid bearded face and call it a day. Posted by: Warden Ok, but only on weekends.

80 So is it posting little on purpose or has someone done that to it?

81

So who has actually managed to change a mind when it comes to politics with facts and history and economic theory?

 

I've turned two NJ Dem Party Members to the light.  It took the better part of 5 years, and Obama carried me over the line...but it is done.

82 Because it was a 'dog whistle' for racists. You see, any time you put a black man in a video with white women, it sends a secret signal to racists that black men are trying to steal all the white womens.

It was the same shit Chris Mattews and others pulled in 2006 about Corker/Ford.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 10, 2011 06:54 PM (APlKx)

That's projection.

Seriously, Chris has admitted that he's racist (but of the condescending paternalistic kind) and so everyone else must be racist and so if you're not liberal and guilty about it, you aren't doing it right.

One of the good ways to fight the libs is to use "projection" back on them. They're the ones who accuse us of bad motives, so we can just throw it back at them.

83
It may seem like only 3 days to you assholes
- The Chicken

84

Here's another thing you can try -- swing the discussion to how they picked their favorite team.  For most people, their favorite team is just like their political party -- they picked it up young, and either in direct agreement or polar opposition to their parents preference.

Then you can point out that loyal fans get to drop their team if it leaves town.  Who the fuck is still a Boston Braves fan?  Or, Baltimore Colts, or Minne Lakers, or NO Jazz, or the Whalers, or .....?

For most of the voters we need -- their team did leave town -- they just haven't realized it yet.  If you have a non-government job and pay taxes and you still vote democrat, you might as well be a Cleveland Rams fan.  Your team left town a long time ago.

85 If someone was dumb enough to vote for this idiot once, I will spare them ten minutes while I finish my train of thought and try to be polite.

If they tell me they are thinking of voting for him again, they aren't worth the blood pressure spike.

Just laugh at them and walk out. Even if you are in a moving car.

86 dagny it thinks i'm meghan mccain......what an idiot!

87 > 75 So who has actually managed to change a mind when it comes to politics with facts and history and economic theory? ... Posted by: Rich I didn't make it clear. You're not going to change the mind of Barney Frank. You're target is the person who doesn't have strong opinions on the merits of Keynesian stimulus.

88 65 and there it is again

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 10, 2011 06:50 PM (eOXTH)

It can't quit us.  I picture an ugly fat girl at her computer, eating bag after bag of Cheetos and chugging Diet Coke.  And imagining what it would be like to be attractive, with a life, in NYC.

89 So is it posting little on purpose or has someone done that to it?

All the evidence points to it being too fucking stupid to know how to turn it off.

90 Wanna educate the ignorant quickly?  Tax them  ...even if it is just a little, but let them feel a bit of the pain.

Heck, we can even make them hurt fairly quickly, and without raising rates--end W2 withholding. Make every wage earner--including the teenagers--file quarterly, with estimated payment included, like businesses do. 

The tea party wins over 70% of wage earners--including the ones who currently pay no federal income tax--within six months.  90% if EIC is eliminated. 

91 _{It can't quit us.  I picture an ugly fat girl at her computer, eating bag after bag of Cheetos and chugging Diet Coke.  And imagining what it would be like to be attractive, with a life, in NYC.}

More and more I'm thinking it is some dumbass college kid's project.

92 I picture an ugly fat girl at her computer, eating bag after bag of Cheetos and chugging Diet Coke.  And imagining what it would be like to be attractive, with a life, in NYC.

Send her on over.

93 jane we are in it's head!!!!!! i bet it watches reruns of sex in the city and wonders when she'll get some.......

94 Reposting from the last thread....

Attention whores get off on ANY attention, good or bad, direct or indirect. 

95 Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 06:47 PM (k1rwm)

You've been found out, curious.  Nobody is buying the crap you're selling.

There are other blogs to troll.

96
Seriously, Chris has admitted that he's racist...

Remember this?

"You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour."

97 Together, the three agencies have spent $16 million on lobbying the past decade.

16 Million...Total?...For a decade? Pffft!

How's that compare with say, GE?
Well they have already spent that much this YEAR.
Last year they spent close to 40 MM$

98 More and more I'm thinking it is some dumbass college kid's project.

Posted by: sifty at August 10, 2011 07:01 PM (ECjvn)

It does have the persistence of somebody with a mission.  Maybe somebody writing a book?

99 ammo, water, gas and gold.  Need to pick up a new genny though.  have 16 5-gallon NATO surplus cans I need to fill up.  4 diesel, 12 gasoline.  On my own well, just need to keep the freezers up

100 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure!!!

101 98  Seriously, Chris has admitted that he's racist...

Remember this?

"You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour."

Posted by: soothsayer at August 10, 2011 07:03 PM (n1NNk)

I'm surprised he can remember Obama's name.  To Chris, he's President Blackman.

102 When the artificial intelligentsia residing in the white house and halls of congress come to understand that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5, maybe then we will get somewhere with our debt and spending addiction. In the meantime they should legalize dope so we can smoke it too.

103
the full quote of stupid racism:

"I was trying to think about who he was tonight. It's interesting: he is post-racial, by all appearances. I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, he's gone a long way to become a leader of this country, and past so much history, in just a year or two. I mean, it's something we don't even think about. I was watching, I said, wait a minute, he's an African American guy in front of a bunch of other white people.

And here he is president of the United States and we've completely forgotten that tonight -- completely forgotten it. I think it was in the scope of his discussion. It was so broad-ranging, so in tune with so many problems, of aspects, and aspects of American life that you don't think in terms of the old tribalism, the old ethnicity. It was astounding in that regard. A very subtle fact. It's so hard to talk about. Maybe I shouldn't talk about it, but I am. I thought it was profound that way."

104

" I want to save America, not stretch out the decline!"

Oh sure, just shit all over our strategy of the last 80 years.

105 You see, any time you put a black man in a video with white women, it sends a secret signal to racists that black men are trying to steal all the white womens.


So that's why MTV stopped showing music and went to all trashy whores.

106

They won't be convinced of a collapse until there's a collapse.

They won't be convinced of terrorism until terrorists attack--and maybe not even then.

They won't believe in starvation until they're starving.

The enemy owns the Hollymedia complex. We try cogent arguments in lofty publications like American Spectator. They own movies and TV shows and stuff that the idiot masses watch. A few websites aren't going to reach the majority.

107 Scheiße, ich glaube "." supergeheimes Gemeinheitenmeter geht nicht mehr oder ihre "Freunde" sind nicht mehr ihre Freunde.

108 If "it" ever, ever goes after me again using my son, I will personally find out who "it" is and hunt "it" down and bitch-slap it through the nearest wall.

Don't fuck with me.  I raised a Marine.

"It's" parents raised a useless troll.

I win.

109 you don't think in terms of the old tribalism, the old ethnicity

Classic. Viva the New Ethnicity! What a fucking dunce.

110 I picture an ugly fat girl at her computer, eating bag after bag of Cheetos and chugging Diet Coke.

What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.

111

A few websites aren't going to reach the majority.

 

Shit. 

 Ace barely comes up to a grown man's knees.

112
hey wait a minute, Obama is b-b-b-bl-black!

113

The Hartman years were the best years.

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2011 06:48 PM (c8L22)

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes when I fly to Europe on the Concorde, I wonder, am I inside some sort of giant bird? Am I gonna be digested? I don't know, because I'm a caveman, and that's the way I think!"

114

It does have the persistence of somebody with a mission.  Maybe somebody writing a book?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 07:03 PM (73tyQ)

curious got outed?

Didn't that start at least 18 months ago?

I always figured she just floated trial balloons for a dem research co.

115

@8: "Verwunden mein Herz mit eintöniger Mattigkeit."

Die Invasion.  Sie kommt!

116 Or ask the ordinary person if they/a family member/a friend lost their job before the TEA Party got into Congress (as a small minority of the votes there) or after.

117 109 ma bell lustig, niemand kommt zu ihrer Verteidigung .... obwohl ihre Freunde überwachen die Website

118 OT: from the sidebar:

I Voted for Obama. Sorry.

That ain't gonna cut it, chief.

119 112 I picture an ugly fat girl at her computer, eating bag after bag of Cheetos and chugging Diet Coke.

What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 10, 2011 07:08 PM (0vDuM)

In my experience big angry women have an uncanny ability to create 2" groups with a Glock at 15 yards.  I'll take 20 of them.

120 The stupid is strong in that "I voted for Obama. Sorry." piece by McClellan in the sidebar. 

Even in realizing Obama is a failure, they cannot grasp reality or feel compelled to lie.  How Republicans thwarted Obama when he had both houses of congress and the media is beyond me. 

121 @8: "Verwunden mein Herz mit eintöniger Mattigkeit."

Who the hell said that, cause I damn sure can't remember, but I damn sure know it wasn't Nietsche

122 _{What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.}

_{Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 10, 2011 07:08 PM (0vDuM)}

Lucky there are waivers available for us non-supermodels.

123 110 If "it" ever, ever goes after me again using my son, I will personally find out who "it" is and hunt "it" down and bitch-slap it through the nearest wall.

Don't fuck with me.  I raised a Marine.

"It's" parents raised a useless troll.

I win.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:07 PM (UOM4

Jane I was 2.3 seconds from a jarhead comment, but I recognize a pissed off homicidal grizzly when I see one.

124

(0vDuM)

Fertilize that hash and you get a liberal.

125 The good Lord assures me He can get me out of this, but I'm pretty sure you're fucked.

126 The stupid is strong in that "I voted for Obama. Sorry." piece by McClellan in the sidebar.

Yeah. If the stupid 52% smacktards are expecting sympathy from us they better get even more used to failure.

We handed the numbnuts a play-by-play of everything the commie bastard would try and fail at and they laughed at us.

Fuck the "remorseful Obama voter". They should be placed in the stocks in the Town Square for a week with a sign around their necks.

127

McClellan

 

...not Mac McClellan?

128

Jane I was 2.3 seconds from a jarhead comment, but I recognize a pissed off homicidal grizzly when I see one.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:13 PM (x3YFz)

Heh.  Have at it.  My son tells me all sorts of jokes about the other branches.  But they're told with "love."

Seriously, though, the troll needs to back the hell off where my kid is concerned.  What a worthless twit.

129 Well, I had to go out for a few, but if it's still down there, I shall go pay a visit.  ;-)

130 128 The stupid is strong in that "I voted for Obama. Sorry." piece by McClellan in the sidebar.

Yeah. If the stupid 52% smacktards are expecting sympathy from us they better get even more used to failure.

We handed the numbnuts a play-by-play of everything the commie bastard would try and fail at and they laughed at us.

Fuck the "remorseful Obama voter". They should be placed in the stocks in the Town Square for a week with a sign around their necks.

Posted by: sifty at August 10, 2011 07:15 PM (ECjvn)

Sifty, I'd want to take you for a walk through downtown Boulder, but we'd both be carrying and it would end in 50 killed, 200 injured and me and you being cellmates.

131 Who the hell said that, cause I damn sure can't remember, but I damn sure know it wasn't Nietsche

I only know it from The Longest Day, where it's the German translation of part of a French poem which was used as code to signal a cell in the French Resistance.

132 ...not Mac McClellan?

Bill McClellan.  Some St. Louis columnist, I think.

133 O/T:  FNC - WI dems say that they'll try to recall Walker next year.

134

Okay, Jane, try this one:

Q: What is the Navy's first rule about fire fights?

A: Send the Marines.

135
Pelosi's picks?

What's she waiting for?

136 It's too easy to blame Republicans. Yes, they have blocked Obama at every turn, but that is the way of things in politics.

Can someone, anyone explain to me exactly where he's been blocked? 

137 Have you ever been sitting there taking a dump and there's this one last little piece of turd that just won't drop off and go away?
 
Ah, I see you're familiar with curious the troll.
 
I like the idea of trying to change people's minds and to inform them, but for the true blues there isn't much point. I learned something though from educating my children. I would harangue my son about various slacker attitudes; while it really never changed him, my daughter would silently listen and learn.

138

You know what's funny about curious?

I've never once read one of her comments in its entirety.

I'm not exagerating. I'll usually get through about two sentences and think "This gibberish is far too stupid to be worth reading."

And then I scroll down and sure enough ... there's the name.

Money in the bank.

Getting mad at her is like getting mad at the comment spam.

139 What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.

All those photos and only one, sort of, of you that I can declare you aren't being totally truthful with that whole 'I am ugly/fat' thing.

140

Sifty, I'd want to take you for a walk through downtown Boulder, but we'd both be carrying and it would end in 50 killed, 200 injured and me and you being cellmates.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:18 PM (x3YFz)

*Hollywood screenwriter, furiously taking notes*

141 136 O/T:  FNC - WI dems say that they'll try to recall Walker next year.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 10, 2011 07:18 PM (bJF0a)

WI independents and Republicans say that the asshole party crashers will not take a hint and go the fuck home.

142 131

Jane I was 2.3 seconds from a jarhead comment, but I recognize a pissed off homicidal grizzly when I see one.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:13 PM (x3YFz)

Heh.  Have at it.  My son tells me all sorts of jokes about the other branches.  But they're told with "love."

Seriously, though, the troll needs to back the hell off where my kid is concerned.  What a worthless twit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:16 PM (UOM4

Woman, you need to refresh your memory.  About 2 months back I was throwing good natured inter-service poop.. and I got MOBBED by Marine moms.  Marine moms are more likely to throw a punch than their sons, and if you've ever been to a joint NCO club after midnight you know how much weight that statement carries.

143

Getting mad at her is like getting mad at the comment spam.

 

I'm pissed at Jason.  I never got my CDKey.

144

I didn't say I'd make the seas recede, I said I'd make the Dow recede.

Mission Accomplished!

145

Woman, you need to refresh your memory.  About 2 months back I was throwing good natured inter-service poop.. and I got MOBBED by Marine moms.  Marine moms are more likely to throw a punch than their sons, and if you've ever been to a joint NCO club after midnight you know how much weight that statement carries.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:20 PM (x3YFz)

Hey, I'm kinda small.  I don't hurt.....much. 

146 143

Sifty, I'd want to take you for a walk through downtown Boulder, but we'd both be carrying and it would end in 50 killed, 200 injured and me and you being cellmates.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:18 PM (x3YFz)

*Hollywood screenwriter, furiously taking notes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:20 PM (UOM4

Add Sean into the mix and Boulder would be renamed Rubble.

147

Jack Kerouac saw in Dean Moriarty in "On the Road."

 

Brautigan's 'A Confederate General From Big Sur' is a much better book than 'OTR'.

148 148

Woman, you need to refresh your memory.  About 2 months back I was throwing good natured inter-service poop.. and I got MOBBED by Marine moms.  Marine moms are more likely to throw a punch than their sons, and if you've ever been to a joint NCO club after midnight you know how much weight that statement carries.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:20 PM (x3YFz)

Hey, I'm kinda small.  I don't hurt.....much. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:22 PM (UOM4

Yeah.  My wife is 5 foot 190 lbs.  I fear her.  I know better.

149 Even in realizing Obama is a failure, they cannot grasp reality or feel compelled to lie.  How Republicans thwarted Obama when he had both houses of congress and the media is beyond me. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 10, 2011 07:11 PM (5H6zj)

 

Thwarted??

Porkulus - passed

Finance reform - passed

Obamacare - passed

Misc. other anti-American legislation - passed

Etc.  Etc.  Etc.

150

Woman, you need to refresh your memory.  About 2 months back I was throwing good natured inter-service poop.. and I got MOBBED by Marine moms.  Marine moms are more likely to throw a punch than their sons, and if you've ever been to a joint NCO club after midnight you know how much weight that statement carries.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:20 PM (x3YFz)

I am the mother of two Air Force daughters. If I ever would take any of that inter-service poop slinging serious, I would be sitting on death row. I was married to Army for 12 years and I learned really quick to sling poop with the best

151 My husband, the most easy-going, smartest man I know, walked in the door from work tonight as pissed as I've ever seen him.

Obama is already beginning to kill aspects of his business.  He went off on Obama and how he hates him (he's never said that).

I "gently" reminded him, "You are aware your entire family still worships his ass?"

He stormed down the hall to our bedroom.

152 er... (LOL) 90 lbs.  omg she's so gonna kill me:  190  one typo = couch!

153

Yeah.  My wife is 5 foot 190 lbs.  I fear her.  I know better.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (x3YFz)

HAHAHA....

You wife gained 100lbs. since a couple of nights ago.

I hope she doesn't read this!

154 156 er... (LOL) 90 lbs.  omg she's so gonna kill me:  190  one typo = couch!

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (x3YFz)

Whew.  I was going to call 911 and send someone to check on you.

155 @128:  I feel the same way about the feel-good-then Obama voter who is now remorseful.  But if we really do want to get more people on our side, we can't go around telling people to fuck off just because they used to vote with the crowd but are now starting to wake up as the country falls apart around them.  Being confrontationally holier-than-thou, even if you are in fact holier and can prove it, will more than likely cause an independent or conservative Democrat to hunker down in his anti-GOP shell.

156 154

Woman, you need to refresh your memory.  About 2 months back I was throwing good natured inter-service poop.. and I got MOBBED by Marine moms.  Marine moms are more likely to throw a punch than their sons, and if you've ever been to a joint NCO club after midnight you know how much weight that statement carries.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:20 PM (x3YFz)

I am the mother of two Air Force daughters. If I ever would take any of that inter-service poop slinging serious, I would be sitting on death row. I was married to Army for 12 years and I learned really quick to sling poop with the best

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (H/MnC)

When did your warriors join the af?  I'm a recovering Military Training Instructor, and I'd bet the rent I know their TIs.

157

er... (LOL) 90 lbs.  omg she's so gonna kill me:

 

So she's not 5 feet wide, too?

158 When someone tells me they're a "liberal", I always say "Fantastic, I'm a liberal too!  What liberties do you advance?"  All I've gotten so far is abrtion, and they always feel stupid saying it.

159

er... (LOL) 90 lbs.  omg she's so gonna kill me:  190  one typo = couch!

Ha! I'm thinking..eeww that doesn't sound like anything she'd want posted.

160 158 156 er... (LOL) 90 lbs.  omg she's so gonna kill me:  190  one typo = couch!

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (x3YFz)

Whew.  I was going to call 911 and send someone to check on you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:27 PM (UOM4

You may still need to.  She's currently out of town on business so hopefully this thread will have dropped so far below the radar I'll get to keep my balls.

161 _{Sifty, I'd want to take you for a walk through downtown Boulder, but we'd both be carrying and it would end in 50 killed, 200 injured and me and you being cellmates.}

Yep. But, by God, what a time we'd have.

The clutch went out on my mouth long before they invented the internet comment section. I am just as likely to tell a hippy to eat shit in real life as I am here. (Provided my wife and son aren't with me at the time.)

There are those who deserve respect, or at least courtesy, and those that don't. Usually take about five seconds to determine. Anything longer than that is just a waste of the precious short time God has allotted me on this Earth.

Obama voters used up their five seconds in 2008.

162 OT: from the sidebar:

I Voted for Obama. Sorry.

Well, Bill Freakin' McClellan, a columnist for my local rag the St.Louis Post-Disgrace, now begas for absolution for voting for an empty-suit speech-reader with no record whatsoever who turns out to be an utter failure, and sayd he should have voted for Hillary.

No, Bill, you should have voted for McCain once that was the only other choice, instead of the racist-church-attending, communist-terrorist-loving mystery man with the undocumented background and the tissue-thin resume.  You voted for the least qualified candidate in American history and now you can choke on it.  There's no excuse.  No rational reason can be put forward to vote for that blundering, blustering naif, and now, what, you want forgiveness? 

Screw you, and screw Democrats (and whatever Republicans) who shot craps on the fate of the country and the American system because you had a 'feeling' that this dimensionless bimbo was somehow Superman, Einstein, and Christ in a bright shiny package.

163 162 When someone tells me they're a "liberal", I always say "Fantastic, I'm a liberal too!  What liberties do you advance?"  All I've gotten so far is abrtion, and they always feel stupid saying it.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at August 10, 2011 07:27 PM (xXhWA)

That's... a very interesting approach.  I'm not very smart, so I rely on other people for good ideas, so... pretending to be a hippie shitbag could be very educational.  Not sure how long I could do it without spontaneously combusting, but it's definitely worth thinking about.

164 shit, /sock on a real rant, dammit.

165 >>What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 10, 2011 07:08 PM (0vDuM)

_{If you really mean that, then fat definitely won't be a long term issue, so there's that.}

166 165 _{Sifty, I'd want to take you for a walk through downtown Boulder, but we'd both be carrying and it would end in 50 killed, 200 injured and me and you being cellmates.}

Yep. But, by God, what a time we'd have.

The clutch went out on my mouth long before they invented the internet comment section. I am just as likely to tell a hippy to eat shit in real life as I am here. (Provided my wife and son aren't with me at the time.)

There are those who deserve respect, or at least courtesy, and those that don't. Usually take about five seconds to determine. Anything longer than that is just a waste of the precious short time God has allotted me on this Earth.

Obama voters used up their five seconds in 2008.

Posted by: sifty at August 10, 2011 07:29 PM (ECjvn)

And that is why I have only 3 friends.  To me, subtlety is a known unknown.

167

When did your warriors join the af?  I'm a recovering Military Training Instructor, and I'd bet the rent I know their TIs.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:27 PM (x3YFz)

The first one went through ROTC at Mississippi State University and got her commission in 1999. Right now she is a Major and in Paris France. She just gratuated from DLI in Monterey.

The younger one is a TSGT, she enlisted on June 11, 2011 and was in Lackland during 911.

Both have been deployed several times, the worst one was when both of them were in Iraq at the same time, one in Bagdad and one in Kirkuk

168 Up and at 'em! Duh! I always thought the expression was "up and adam!" After 50+ years, the expression finally makes sense to this old dog...

169

That's... a very interesting approach.  I'm not very smart, so I rely on other people for good ideas, so... pretending to be a hippie shitbag could be very educational.  Not sure how long I could do it without spontaneously combusting, but it's definitely worth thinking about.

Dont pretend anything.  A libertarian conservative is a classical liberal.  Take back the English language.

The most important thing is to "plant seeds" in their heads.  Don't expect to win arguments.

170 Holy crap!  That little *it* hops around from place to place...just like it is a little fuckin' crab.  Ya'll better put your pants on lest ye be infected!

171

I only know it from The Longest Day, where it's the German translation of part of a French poem which was used as code to signal a cell in the French Resistance.

It's from a poem by Verlaine, a French fruit poet (BIRM).

172 From a website: Q: I saw the expression “up and Adam” in the New York Times last month and the writer wasn’t making a pun or quoting someone else’s error. I thought it was “up and at ’em.” Please clarify. A: The short answer is that you’re right and the Times was wrong... Why am I not surprised?

173

@123: " @8: "Verwunden mein Herz mit eintöniger Mattigkeit."

Who the hell said that, cause I damn sure can't remember, but I damn sure know it wasn't Nietsche"

-----------------------------

A Wehrmacht intelligence officer translating a French poet (Verlaine).

174 Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:32 PM (x3YFz)

Stop showering, and cover the stench with patchouli oil. Then you'll fit right in.

175 _{^{Moody's warns state and local governments could see credit downgradesvia drudge}}

176 invested* infected...tis all the same.
Holy hell, I didn't think I was gone all that long.  But someone has to cook the dinner and keep the home fire burning.  ;-)

177 _{The most important thing is to "plant seeds" in their heads.}

That won't work.
They won't get any sun in my crawlspace.

178 He stormed down the hall to our bedroom.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (UOM4

And why are you still on-line? Get in there and do your duty.

179

@131: "Heh.  Have at it.  My son tells me all sorts of jokes about the other branches.  But they're told with "love.""

A popular one post Gulf War (I):

From the halls of Montezuma,

To the deserts of Kuwait

You thought you were the main attack,

Turns out you were just the bait.....

180 "These Tea Party people think they can do anything they want. Next thing you know they'll be vacationing on Martha's Vineyard."

- John Kerry

A note from our attorneys: This is not a real quote.

181 Jane, Phoenix? I would love to have a meet up with you two,...well actually quite a few folks here.

We could invite our leetle turd gurgling freend to be the guest of honor.  No?

182 Moody's warns state and local governments could see credit downgradesvia drudge

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:39 PM (k1rwm)

Look stupid that already happened last Friday. Our County here was already downgraded by S&P. So as usual you are a day late and a dollar short. Oh, wait, that's right, you are some sort of stock market genius, dummy me

183 Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:39 PM (k1rwm)

We don't like you.  Go away.

184

The most important thing is to "plant seeds" in their heads.  Don't expect to win arguments.

Yep. Use Socratic method, i.e., lead someone to your conclusion by asking him questions, but not pedantically; phrase them as requests for information.

As a corollary, ask the liberal what it would take to change his mind on a given issue. Socialism can work? OK, what would it take to convince him otherwise. How 'bout going 0 for 75 years? Oh, socialism needs the right people? How are we to recognize these people? And how do we guarantee we always find and get the right people? What system doesn't work if you get the right people running it? (Hell, monarchy would be the ideal form of government if we could guarantee always getting selfless philosopher-kings running it.)

185 I hate to intrude on the fun, but this has raised my blood pressure beyond the aorta-ripping level.

http://tgr.ph/nOcwg1

The fact that Congress isn't back in D.C. beginning impeachment proceedings on President Stuttering Clusterfuck shows that there isn't a single patriotic American left in D.C.

How much American blood does Osama Obama get to have on his hands before he is driven from office, indicted, tried and imprisoned?

186 That is exactly where so many of the under-40 crowd gets their news. (Colbert/Stewart) Unfortunately I know more than one person 50+ that falls in this category. And they all think they are funny and so fucking smart.

187 And why are you still on-line? Get in there and do your duty.

What duty can she do at the moment?  He needs some time to cool down...

188 Q: I saw the expression “up and Adam” in the New York Times last month and the writer wasn’t making a pun or quoting someone else’s error. I thought it was “up and at ’em.” Please clarify.

WWI expression, IIRC. An exhortation to the troops in the trenches to attack the other guys' trenches.

189 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

190 182 He stormed down the hall to our bedroom.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:25 PM (UOM4

And why are you still on-line? Get in there and do your duty.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 10, 2011 07:40 PM (LH6ir)

I fed him a delicious dinner, and he's at a committee meeting.  Don't worry.  I take good care of him.

191 According to the UK Riots Live BBC site groups have formed to patrol their neighborhoods to protect them from the rioters, so things are pretty quiet tonight. That plus it's raining so the "protestors" have stayed home.

192 :sniffs: Who opened a can of Fancy Feast?

193 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2011 07:43 PM (YjjrR)

Obama never met an enemy of America he wasn't prepared to bow down to.

194 It would be very helpful if conservative bloggers and commenters and all around conservative smart people actually thought it was part of Republican lawmakers' jobs to help turn public opinion around.  Holding votes without defending and explaining, over and over again, is nothing more than window dressing to garner the admiration of Charles Krauthammer.  If you want things to change, tell Republican leaders it's part of their job, their duty, to use the english language to change peoples' minds, and to criticize, frequently and repeatedly, Obama and his Democrat/Media accomplices.  If you continue to let them off the hook, continue to pretend that's not part of their job as long as they hold a nice show vote now and then, go easy on them because obviously they just don't want to do a vital and non-optional part of their job, you'll get poll votes like this and the continued decline.

195 _{If you continue to let them off the hook, continue to pretend that's not part of their job as long as they hold a nice show vote now and then, go easy on them}

We don't want the smart guys calling us names.

196 I'm still very wary of "the crisis above all crisis" to happen before 2012.  It's all Dick and the dems have left.  We think this past year and a half has been bad, but I shudder to think what depths this regime will go to finish their job of destroying us.

197 I'm with Vic on this.  The deal has doomed us.

The twelve.  Six and six.  The great unwashed unthinking stupid middle wants compromise, but the six won't compromise with the other six.  A meeting in the middle, with the Rs agreeing to tax increases and the Ds agreeing to real entitlement cuts, ain't ever gonna happen, and if something did, it would be another deal that dooms us.

But I'll try.  I'll practice my pitch, get my facts straight, work on my argument so that it comes across as soft as possible.

Meanwhile, the JEF will do everything possible to come across as the great unifier, and the MFM will be waving the pom poms, and this convincing gig will get even harder to do.

198 How many of you think this is too much work? Bullshit! Also: you're part of the problem. I've been doing this since the bastard got elected. Most people I talk to know with absolute certainty that I am not to be fucked with when it comes to knowing the facts. Many a liberal has been reduced to a blubbering idiot once I've finished with them. In fact, just today on Facebook a friend commented, "I'd say something pro-Obama just to get you riled up but I'd probably end up just agreeing with you after you've finished tearing me a new one". This is how we win, ladies and gents. This is war.

199 169 >>What, ugly fat girls can't post here?  Fuck you all very much.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 10, 2011 07:08 PM (0vDuM)

_{If you really mean that, then fat definitely won't be a long term issue, so there's that.}

Posted by: ontherocks at August 10, 2011 07:33 PM (HBqDo)

I love women that have been rejected by society.  Overweight?  You're as ugly as me (and ffs I'm NOT pretty)?  This is where I'll build my army.  Snap those little twiggy bitches in half and they can shoot.  And those women can cook.  Wanna survive?  Getcher self a non-supermodel.

200

but when you point that out everyone responds "But Obama's got electrolytes!"

I'd be careful with that last part.  The 52% would take that as a rallying cry and vote him back in.

201 I dated a model/dancer/hippie chic.  In fact, she was in last months j.jill catalog (near the back, she's half irish, half american indian, knowing that, you that you can find her in her jammies, she's got 4 pics in a 2 page spread).  Worthless and stupid.  Dumber than a bag of hammers.

202 and she has a degree in communications from Columbia.  Which always reminds me of the scratched in graffiti over the toilet paper dispensers in the Engineering building:  "Comm degrees, take 1"

203 > 140 ... I like the idea of trying to change people's minds and to inform them, but for the true blues there isn't much point. ... Posted by: GnuBreed Again, they're not the ones to target. It's very unlikely Barack Obama will get less than 45% of the vote in 2012. We're looking to convince 10% of the people in the middle.

204 210 I love what you guys are frequently up too. Such clever work and reporting! Keep up the terrific works guys IÂ’ve added you guys to my blogroll.

Posted by: at August 10, 2011 08:16 PM (gRXfV)

The spam is actually trying.  Fucking warehouses full of 500 chinese spammers are stepping up the game.  B for effort.  F for effectiveness.

205 Amazing. The First Time I deleted a comment spambot and somebody quotes it.

206

One of the most prevalent arguments I hear is "You can't mess with people's Social Security, they paid for that."  People still beleive their Social Security money is locked in a vault somewhere when in fact the money was spent decades ago and Social Security is just another government welfare check backed by the tax receipts we expect from your grandkids.  Practically speaking, it's just part of our income tax now, but a lot of people can't seem to connect those dots.

Posted by: Societyis2Blame at August 10, 2011 06:38 PM (yK8YH)

I got this in an email today.  Send it to the ijits who believe in wunerful, wunerful SS.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH US ?


Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only 30 K over your working life, that's close to $220,500. If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays
on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working (me) you would have $892,919.98. If you took out only 3% per year, you receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years, and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you would have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month. The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever had.

Entitlement my ass , I paid cash for my social security "insurance"!  Insurance is what they called it, but, if any insurance company handled your money the way the US government did, the State regulators would shut it down and the executives would be charged with fraud.
Just because they "borrowed" the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout ! Congressional benefits, aka free health care, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's charity, welfare,
and they have the nerve to call my retirement entitlements !

Someone please tell me what the HELL is wrong with all the people that run this country!   We're "broke" & can't help our own seniors, seterans, orphans. We are about to cut their benefits to save money.

Yet, in the last months we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile, and Turkey. And now Pakistan, the country that gave sanctuary to bin Laden, literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS! Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid, not even annual COLA increases because their fudged numbers show the there has been no inflation (for, how many now, 3 years?) nor do our seniors get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour hundreds of billions of $$$$$'s and tons of food to foreign countries!

They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when its time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government steal, I mean "borrow" from it in the first place?

We have hundreds of adoptable children who are shoved aside to make room for the adoption of foreign orphans.

AMERICA: a country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without 'needed' meds, and mentally ill without treatment - etc., etc.

Imagine if the GOVERNMENT gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.

207 It's not too late people! All you have to do is explain things to them in simple terms and not be condescending. For example, it helps people to visualize what $1 Trillion looks like by saying, "You take $100 bills (emphasize that they're one hundred dollar bills), stack them seven feet tall. Then once you've filled in an entire football field you will have $1 Trillion. It works every single time. Especially when you say we owe 14 football fields. Very easy to understand. Most Americans genuinely care about these issues but it's not that they're stupid it's that the problems seem too complex.

208
 All this strategizing posits  (to me, at least), that you'd actually WANT to interact with a lefty. Not gonna happen here, I had my fill during the 60's with that unending shitstorm they dropped on us vets, so no thanks to further contact with ANY of them.For whatever reason.

 Now, when contact is made, it's look them up and down, spit on their shoes and walk away. There hasn't been one of them with the sack to react as you'd think, which isn't surprising.

 So have fun, I'll work the phone lines, drop flyers or anything you want, but personal contact is out.

209 Posted by: RushBabe, Resisting Much at August 10, 2011 08:25 PM (Ew27I) Haha yeah there's something like that going around Facebook. I've had many conversations with friends and coworkers about "too much money going to other countries". Anybody take a guess the percentage of our budget that goes to foreign aid. Take a wild guess.

210

So who has actually managed to change a mind when it comes to politics with facts and history and economic theory? I haven't. Maybe I'm just not effective.

After a while, you have to chalk it up to genetics.  For decades, libs have infested our schools and dumbed down anything that used to resemble coherent reasoning and rational thought.  But even so, we still have half the country that stays stubbornly conservative.  Morons need to get busy IYKWIMAITTYD.

211 So who has actually managed to change a mind when it comes to politics with facts and history and economic theory? I haven't. Maybe I'm just not effective. I admit I've only changed a few, the rest, well...it sometimes helps to make them doubt their facts. Be nice about it. Say things like, "I haven't heard that." or "That's odd, because I've read..." stuff like that. Most of them just make shit up anyway lol I find that most people liberals that follow politics want to make themselves look smart.

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 Anybody take a guess the percentage of our budget that goes to foreign aid. Take a wild guess.

I'm sure it's in the single digits, but that little screed above is effective at getting the "I'm not political" types to finally start realizing they've been had - and how.

213 > 214 All this strategizing posits (to me, at least), that you'd actually WANT to interact with a lefty. ... Posted by: irongrampa Again, the preferred target is the independent. That is, the guy who has just noticed that things are going horribly wrong and is receptive to info that doesn't come from NBC Nightly News. We're not going to get to 100%. Adding 3-5% is possible, plausible and just barely enough.

214 I'm sure it's in the single digits, but that little screed above is effective at getting the "I'm not political" types to finally start realizing they've been had - and how. It's effective. It's also a great way to start a conversation going--preferably away from foreign aid which takes up a whopping one percent of the budget. You can use that fact to segue into what reallyeats up spending: entitlements.

215 _{^{Please don't speak to any independents.  I'm an independent.  Have been at this site since the day mccain announced Sarah Palin and you are treating me horribly.  If you react to all the other independents the way you react to me well then you will lose them.  I mean you've wished me dead for God's sake and you wouldn't see your selves losing your patients with independents?  No, don't talk to them.  It's the only hope the republican candidate will have.  Let them reach the independents on their own.}}

216 Its not your "independent" status that makes us dislike you, you worthless pathetic piece of New York trash.  Why don't you get a fucking clue for once.

217 Let us know when other independents declare their liberal hell hole city the moral center of the country, and insult the mothers of marines you stupid troll.

218 I am having one of these conversations on Facebook right now! Check what this guy is saying re: Obama...He is not a business leader. He came out of college and tried to help his community instead of going to a big law firm. He is an original thinker. Have you led a non profit group of volunteers? Original thinking is essential. And, unless you earn over $250k, you're paying less now than under Bush.

219 My response (in case anyone's interested): He went to Columbia University and Harvard Law School. In fact, he was President of the Harvard Law Review. In fact, he went to a "big law firm" for much longer than he was a community organizer (three years as organizer, law school for roughly 8 years). I don't get that point in any case. Barack Obama has increased our national debt much faster and made it much worse than under Bush. The unemployment rate is hovering at 10 percent, and businesses are afraid to do much hiring. The stock market is tanking...the economy is awful...do I need to continue? With all due respect, can you please tell me what makes him an original thinker? From where I sit he is using the same tired liberal ideas that never work.

220 224 I am having one of these conversations on Facebook right now!
Check what this guy is saying re: Obama...He is not a business leader. He came out of college and tried to help his community instead of going to a big law firm. He is an original thinker. Have you led a non profit group of volunteers? Original thinking is essential. And, unless you earn over $250k, you're paying less now than under Bush.

Posted by: Joffen at August 10, 2011 09:13 PM (EPcuy)

Well to respond to that I think my first claim would be prove it, and if it is true thank the GOP in Congress from preventing the tax cuts to expire.  The next would be, well its a good thing since his policies have made healthcare cost more, gas cost more, and food cost more.

221 Barack Obama has increased our national debt much faster and made it much worse than under Bush. The unemployment rate is hovering at 10 percent, and businesses are afraid to do much hiring. The stock market is tanking...the economy is awful...do I need to continue? With all due respect, can you please tell me what makes him an original thinker? From where I sit he is using the same tired liberal ideas that never work. Posted by: Joffen at August 10, 2011 09:17 PM (EPcuy) What, you mean an 80 year economic doctrine every High School economics text in the country describes as flawed because "fiscal stimulus" never hits the economy in time to make a difference ain't original thinking? Huh. Go figure...

222 This is his response: ‎1. Law school is not a big law firm. 2. 2 wars and tax cuts account for most of that increased debt. To my knowledge, those were in place before he took office. 3. The bank bailout (more debt) was signed by President Bush. The banks are sitting on the cash we gave them, not lending it. That is why a lot of companies are not hiring. If the CEO took a million less in salary, he could hire some people. The stock market is tanking. And where are they fleeing to?? The same bonds that just got downgraded. Most investors think they are a pretty good buy right now. The economy went into recession after the tax cuts that were supposed to stimulate the economy. As far as an original thinker, his auto bailout did not only save the auto manufacturers but also the millions who work to supply them. And what, the companies have paid back more than expected and are profitable again. If only they lent money like the banks. They need to free up the lending for the economy to get better

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As far as an original thinker, his auto bailout did not only save the auto manufacturers but also the millions who work to supply them. And what, the companies have paid back more than expected and are profitable again. If only they lent money like the banks. They need to free up the lending for the economy to get better

Posted by: Joffen at August 10, 2011 09:31 PM (EPcuy)

That's a fucking lie right there.  They did not pay back the bailout money.  They used some of the bailout money to pay back a previous loan from the government.

224 Have these one on ones all the time on FB. Some lib friends of mine will put up some crap from HuffPo or whatever and the debate begins. The guy is a nice guy but is a lib and most of his FB friends are libs. I can't let him just post that stuff because its like an echo-chamber, so I get in the comments and refute it - with facts. The tax debates are really good. I'll let them go on and on about we need more revenue and fairness and taxing the rich and then ask a very simple question - which I ask repeatedly - How much should we raise taxes then? If we need to raise taxes as you say, if you really believe the 'rich' aren't paying their fair share, then how much more should they pay? Give me a %, give me a dollar amount. Then hit them with the stats and figures and the math... You know what answer I get back every time? They never give me a % or dollar figure. They just say, "Well, I don't know how much but we just need to raise it" or some variant. They won't commit cause then I can tear them apart about that and then I could ask, "OK, if that's the % - and it turns out it isn't enough, then what?" I engage a few people in the comments this guy has on his FB page and dozens of his lib friends (and others) see it where they wouldn't normally. I'm trying brutha...

225 *221*

Oh please!  Quit your fucking whining and carrying on.  Get your scrawny ass upstairs and whine to your dear precious momma.  Most here don't give a flying fuck what you think or 'feel'.  DO YOU NOT FUCKING GET THAT??

The people that give a half a damn about what you have to say, just don't know you yet, they will in time.  The majority of us know. 

You have shown your true colors around here, and even those who tried to give you support and knowledge now know what a pusillanimous twat of a bitch you are.

I've always wondered how someone like you could hang around knowing that everybody despises you.  But yeah...I've decided your just like obama...a zero..a nothing...very narcissistic and so full of yourself that you just couldn't imagine anyone not falling at your feet, kissing your ass, and hanging on every word you utter and every breath you breath.  But, yeah, you are exactly like him.

You know what...there are somethings I disagree with  my "Independent"  friends about, but I tell you what...YOU sure put them all in a bad light.

You are nothing but a sack of sniveling snot that is not fit to tend to the lowest live form on this planet.

Now go read this to your mommy, so she can once again soothe your evil soul, and tell you how everyone is soooooo mean.

Then ask her, how can she not be so fucking ashamed to have raise a child like you.

226 I would have to disagree about just letting the Media, as a serious problem, be ignored.

There needs to be some pushback.

That could be more than just boycotts; how about some demonstrations? Or lawsuits?

They pump millions into liberal coffers with unpaid advertising and promotion so how about an FEC filing against them? They have become so blatant about it that the evidence might be there.

At least let's encourage those we approve of politically to challenge the Media at every turn instead of letting them define the narrative.

No more allowing the networks or newspapers to run any debates (or the League of Women Voters for that matter).
Why give them the opportunity to frame the debate?

The time to take these measures is NOW and not in the summer of 2012.

Call, email, write your Representative, Senator, Presidential candidate or the one you want to have and voice these concerns and your backing if they get in some reporter or reporterette's or a Pompous Pundit's face.

Tell the RNC and other Conservative organizations that you will not donate to anyone who is too cozy with the Media.

Remember, The Media needs the politicians. Without them they'll HAVE NO NEWS.  Yeah, yeah, they can make it up but that only works for so long and for so far. Eventually even the ones not really paying attention will realize something's up.

Oh and tell anyone who is interviewed by the Media should get some editorial control over what eventually is aired or printed. This can be as little as final approval before airing or printing or actual decisions about what questions are asked and how the interview is edited.

THEY ARE THE REAL ENEMY IN THE FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY IN 2012.

Can anyone say that if the Media hadn't aided him that Obama would still have been elected? They may only sway 1% of the vote but that's MORE THAN ENOUGH TO WIN.

227 President Obama is a platitude wrapped in a cliche shrouded by a bromide.*

*With apologies to Mr. Churchill.

228 Crap, wrong thread.

229
Here's how to fix the problem and pronto.

End payroll withholding of income tax.  Make everyone pay their taxes out of pocket quarterly like the despised self-employed "rich" do.  End the employer contribution to FICA too.  Make everyone pay the full 15%.

Do that and the Dems will go the way of the Whigs over night.

Guaranteed.

230 O/T: clicked over to LinkTV on my DirecTV box to watch Deutsche Welle Journal. Turns out today is the 50th anniversary of the erection of the Berlin Wall. Deutsche Welle has a bunch of stuff about it on their website.