October 30, 2011
— rdbrewer
Time for your weekly 50 minutes of hate.
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Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2011 04:14 PM (sdi6R)
Politico's Roger Simon, appearing on CNN's Reliable Sources, said being "being extreme perhaps and a little bit racist perhaps, gives you good bona fides in a Republican primary. It shows them you're on the same side as they are"
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:18 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:20 PM (RqTI6)
Racism is a semantic bludgeon used by the Left to achieve control of the social debate.
I don't know if Simon was being sarcastic or pretending to an intellectual insight, but it's always the same with these guys.
CNN - Reliable Sources. Yeah, there's an oxymoron.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:21 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at October 30, 2011 04:24 PM (6QZ7V)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 04:24 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 04:26 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 30, 2011 04:26 PM (NadeK)
I read "The Stand" about 30 years ago, and it is about the only whole novel of King's I ever read. Because King is a hacktastic novelist. His writing is juvenile and poorly structured and edited. He has stolen, plagiarized or copied about every horror/terror meme ever written. It's like he watched every old episode of the "Twilight Zone" and turned them into a novel or short story. A lot of his readers are not widely read or have not seen these things to be aware of what an unoriginal copycat he has been.
And after awhile he starts to copy himself
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:26 PM (sJTmU)
Whoa - and just in time for Halloween. And thinking that maybe this weekend's snow storm was successful in unmasking some of Obama's true believers ... http://ow.ly/7dn7V
Posted by: ombez at October 30, 2011 04:27 PM (2DpoY)
Sigh.
(link to Politico btw)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 04:28 PM (Uje4Y)
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:28 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:29 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:29 PM (fyOgS)
The comic is slow paced and a bit more exciting than the show. The whole point being you don't want to burn through every story arc you have before more is written. As for comments of it being "like a soap opera" that I have read here and there, the zomies and the apocalypse are the backdrop for the stories of the interaction between the living characters.
If you watch George Romero's original three zombie films, the zombie killing and feeding frenzies were a big part of the movies. Yet the depictions of the people who were affected by this plague or wrath of God were what made the movies more substantial.
Granted, TWD suffers from some pacing issues and the fact that they're trying to cater to what seems to be a liberal base (the episode entitled, "The Vatos" came close to being a deal breaker with me) but it is the only series of its kind. For that reason alone, I hope it is very successful so that there may be more zombie filled programs down the line.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:29 PM (B0LGd)
Apparently Zombieland got green lit to be a tv show which was the original plan. I am a wee bit excited about that.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:31 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:32 PM (Jy79E)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 04:32 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Ma Bell at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (kzFnw)
1) Why on Earth would a writer place his characters in a traffic jam for three weeks? The narrative literally grinds to a halt.
2) One thing I've learned from movies and TV is that if you're in a disaster/apocalypse situation, and you need medical attention, you'll get it. The only catch is, he's a veterinarian.
I mean, seriously - the veterinarian gag?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 04:38 PM (M+lbD)
"Night Shift" (Highlights: "The Mangler", "Trucks", "Sometimes They Come Back, "One For The Road"), "Skeleton Crew" (Highlights: "The Mist", "Cain Rose Up", "Word Processor of the Gods"and "The Monkey") "Different Seasons" ("The Body") were the best collections of his short works. Also, his earlier "Bachman Books" such as "Rage" and "The Running Man" are worth reading if you're a modern horror fan.
"Rage" is hard to find because King, in a fit of liberal guilt, disallowed it's reprinting because a brat who shot up a school in Kentucky back in the 90's said the book 'gave him the idea'.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:39 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 08:38 PM (M+lbD)
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Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:41 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Zimri Monophthalmos at October 30, 2011 04:41 PM (dOgaW)
The problem with "The Walking Dead" and the Spielberg "Jurassic Park" movies is a classic lack of sufficient firepower. If we learned nothing else from the last Rambo movie, a 0.50 cal machine gun would make short work of
A - Zombies, even a whole herd of zombies
B- Dinosaurs, even a T-Rex
These guys on "The Walking Dead" should find an abandoned Army Arsenal somewhere and get their hands on a Ma Deuce and 20 thousand rounds of ammo.
That approach could have also worked, to a limited degree, on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (she did once use and anti-tank missile on a vampire to great effect), but it probably WOULDN'T work on Mad Men.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:42 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 04:43 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 04:44 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:44 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:45 PM (fyOgS)
So, what's good about The Stand?
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:46 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: Kratos
You may recall that idea from that quaint book called "The Bible", but I could be mistaken. 
"Lucifer's Hammer" is a much better book than "The Stand" becaue Pournelle and Niven can actually think and write.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:47 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:47 PM (fyOgS)
Also had her - MarÃa Conchita Alonso and she hates Chavez,
. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:47 PM (Jy79E)
It does not go well.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:47 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 04:48 PM (SB0V2)
They pretty much have to have a metric buttload of zombies right off the bat, seeing as they left it last week holed up behind a rapidly loosening screen door.
I'm guessing this one starts with a bang. I wonder if they'll end up leading some walkers back to the house after they get out of the school. And what about the group left back with the RV?
These questions and more will be ignored for bitchy office-girl jealousy...
Posted by: Francis Urquhart at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (B29JY)
Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 08:41 PM (B0LGd)
Its the whole suspension of disbelief issue. You can suspend it for some major stuff and be willing to accept some really out there premise, but if the little details come along and they just scream "wrong!" it can be a big issue.
Like in Transformers 2, I can accept giant alien robots that can turn into earth based vehicles. But I'm really annoyed by them walking out of the Smithsonian in Washington D.C. to an airplane graveyard and mountains in the distance.
Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (GULKT)
I also liked "The Long Walk" - another short story from Different Seasons. Heard they were making a film of that too?
I think that's from a different book..
Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption and Apt Pupil were all made into movies..
The last one was the winter's story.. The Breathing Method IIRC.
But yes, his short stories are usually much better than his horror..
And even his non-horror are better than his horror I thought..
I burned out on him from 'The Dark Tower' series.. Injecting himself into the story and then making it bend into the rest of his stories kinda ruined it for me.
Posted by: Dave C at October 30, 2011 04:50 PM (WQLLr)
Posted by: Francis Urquhart at October 30, 2011 04:51 PM (B29JY)
Disgusted me and pissed me off at the same time.
I prefer Dean Koontz.
Posted by: Retired Geezer at October 30, 2011 04:52 PM (KNFtR)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:52 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 08:48 PM (SB0V2)
The Talisman, right? I read that one long ago, is it worth rereading, as the details elude me?
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 30, 2011 04:53 PM (FIDMq)
One of the devices Stephen King beats the shit out of is the psychic wunderkind. It solves a lot of problems in moving your characters along when they can just know something. But that device gets old real quick after the 400th novel.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:53 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (nyKxa)
It's got nothing to do with believability. It's using a hackneyed, cliched gag.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (M+lbD)
Yeah, an ex-girlfriend and I argued about the ending of, "IT" on a number of occasions. I'd say, "Hey, Lovecratian horror!" She'd retort, "Big fucking spider!"
It ended badly but she had a body that could make a bishop kick out a stained glass window, though.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Jimmah at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (dW0Dp)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 08:45 PM (fyOgS
What channel is that on?
Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 04:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 08:29 PM (fyOgS)
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fuck the corporate media.
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 04:58 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: toby928© at October 30, 2011 04:59 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 04:59 PM (lPKnK)
If they bite you, do you just take a nap?
Posted by: toby928© at October 30, 2011 05:00 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 08:41 PM (B0LGd)
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Zombies are a metaphor for communism / liberalism / socialism
Every time you think you have it dead & buried, it comes back as another group of unthinking, resource killing evil that tries to kill everything that is good and living
Posted by: Mark E at October 30, 2011 05:01 PM (h6cI2)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 05:01 PM (fyOgS)
FYNQ!
HB
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 08:50 PM (lPKnK)
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Help me out, I'm on a mission here.
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 05:01 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 05:02 PM (3TjSM)
If you wonder where King got his idea for "The Stand", you should read "Earth Abides" by George Stewart, published in......1949. I think before King was born.
"Earth Abides" is a good story about, get this, a disease wiping out most of the human population on Earth, with only a few scattered survivors trying to rebuild society. This premise sounds mysteriously familiar, doesn't it?
A pretty good story with a good moral undertone. I would encourage my kids to read it, which I wouldn't do with most of King's stuff. My brother in law has read most of what King has written, so good for him and his fans. I just find it very unappealing.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:02 PM (sJTmU)
Then I'll cash out.
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at October 30, 2011 05:02 PM (iFyBS)
And supposedly the Cowboys had the league's #1 run defense before tonight. It takes a 2-4 team to show them wrong,
. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 05:04 PM (Jy79E)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:04 PM (gvlTU)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 05:05 PM (lPKnK)
Then I'll cash out.
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at October 30, 2011 09:02 PM (iFyBS)
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and because any ________ is better than that Walking Colostomy Bag.
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 05:05 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:05 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: osoloco at October 30, 2011 05:05 PM (FRZGg)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 05:06 PM (Jy79E)
I stopped watching that show the first season. Is it still all tardasill'ed up?
God damn you Rick Perry! Look what you done!
Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2011 05:06 PM (MGZjj)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:06 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: toby928©
I agree 101%. As Pournelle said afterward, it was meant to be an advocacy for SDI. Which is probably why no self-respecting left wing movie maker would touch it, unless they could dramatically twist the story and invert the moral message - like "Starship Troopers". What a depressing mess that was.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:07 PM (sJTmU)
My Stephen King pet peeve is that the big reveal is usually that the bad guys are fucking SPACE ALIENS.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2011 08:56 PM (nyKxa)
Me too!
Posted by: George Lucas assraping Indiana Jones at October 30, 2011 05:07 PM (73tyQ)
Sigh.
(link to Politico btw)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 08:28 PM (Uje4Y)
Ya know it's weird. I saw Cain in an interview (on Fox, of course) maybe a week or so ago, and he said people were going to come after him and try to dig up stuff from his personal life; if they can't get him on his policies they'll try to dig up other stuff.
I thought that was a strange remark at the time: Huh? How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up? Hmmmmmm ...
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 05:07 PM (8DdAv)
Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm!
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 09:06 PM (Gk3SS)
I haven't bothered with Grimm. Is it a Mutant Enemy production because they say the creators of Buffy and Angel in the promos. And really it sounds just so much similar to what Supernatural is.
Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 05:08 PM (GULKT)
I've lost interest in The Walking Dead. Too much angst and not enough zombie blasting. Yes, I know that life after such an apocalyptic event would be "teh suck", but Jeebus, do I need to listen to these dimwits expound on their feelings?
I don't want to watch a soap opera with the occasional zombie cameo appearance. Additionally, I don't sympathize with any of the adult characters and I started rooting for the zombies by the end of the first season.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 05:08 PM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 05:09 PM (3TjSM)
Zombies are a metaphor for communism / liberalism / socialism
Every time you think you have it dead & buried, it comes back as another group of unthinking, resource killing evil that tries to kill everything that is good and living
They have no memory of the past or of prior failures.
But if #OWS has taught me one thing, it's that the Zombie Apocalypse will have rape. Lots and lots of rape.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 05:09 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 05:10 PM (8DdAv)
I thought that was a strange remark at the time: Huh? How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up? Hmmmmmm ...
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle
Which, of course, is totally different than sleeping through 20 years of Sunday Sermons at Jeremiah Wright's Church.
ZZZzzzzzzzz....huh? what?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:10 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 09:09 PM (B0LGd)
I think I should sit, not get some work done, and write a hit piece on Jesus Christ in the style of Politico under the assumption that he's a GOP candidate for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 05:11 PM (73tyQ)
Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm!
Posted by: alexthechick
I found it a fascinating twist on the stories. They were never meant to be stories for little children either. Gruesome stuff the original works. You are my soul mate alexthechick.
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (3TjSM)
Not sure how much he can deny considering the women were apparently paid out. But we shall see.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (Uje4Y)
I am getting fucking tired of zombies.
As monsters, they're kind of boring. They shamble. They bite. They swarm. They're all rotting and icky. I know I've ragged on sparkly vampires, but at least a vampire can be a character. Zombies are automata. They could be replaced by a swarm of army ants, or a fire, and the story would be unchanged.
And on the metaphorical, symbolic level, they're awful. Zombies look just like people. Any story about zombies (except, importantly, the original slave fear of becoming one) is a story about killing people. Zombie movies are fantasies of slaughter. And it's no surprise that moviemakers use zombies to represent people they dislike. Who do they pick? Ordinary people. "Consumers."
Us.
Every single movie zombie I've ever seen has been white. They're a Hollywood liberal's nightmare of middle America, and so their heroes get to kill zombies by the hundreds.
So as of now, I'm officially sick of zombies. I want movie monsters who don't feed someone's fantasy of gunning me down.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (tqUbZ)
I thought that was a strange remark at the time: Huh? How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up? Hmmmmmm ...
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle
Which, of course, is totally different than sleeping through 20 years of Sunday Sermons at Jeremiah Wright's Church.
ZZZzzzzzzzz....huh? what?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 09:10 PM (sJTmU)
Politico can't report on shit like that. It's beyond their narrative.
Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (8DdAv)
No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (M+lbD)
If you wait until the election is over, you'll miss most of the runup. I'm all in now and won't get back out until the latesters get in after the election.
Posted by: pep at October 30, 2011 05:12 PM (6TB1Z)
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Ray Bradbury is one of my favorite authors. I really liked "The Ray Bradbury Theater" which aired on HBO, back in the day.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:13 PM (B0LGd)
No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto
Touché.
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 05:14 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Baroque
Well YEAH! They DID do that! Make up stuff about Jesus to justify the crucifixion, that is.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:14 PM (sJTmU)
Us.
Interesting take. But zombies are interesting in the way the Borg was interesting. It's a force of nature comin' to getcha. There is the moral question of what constitutes a person and what constitutes a hollow shell that used to inhabit a person.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 05:15 PM (73tyQ)
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Here, have a copy of "Listening to Prozac".
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:16 PM (B0LGd)
Somebody put in a Benny Hill soundtrack for the background.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 05:16 PM (Jy79E)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:17 PM (gvlTU)
No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto
Touché.
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 09:14 PM (3TjSM)
I believe that booster seat is mine.......
Posted by: Dr Amy 'Fucking' Bishop at October 30, 2011 05:18 PM (jucos)
Will watch Grimm again.
Won't watch Once again (even though Emma is hawt).
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 30, 2011 05:18 PM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 05:18 PM (lPKnK)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2011 05:19 PM (niZvt)
Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm!
Posted by: alexthechick
I found it a fascinating twist on the stories. They were never meant to be stories for little children either. Gruesome stuff the original works. You are my soul mate alexthechick.
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 09:12 PM (3TjSM)
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Word that.
Your should read some of the background information at the Bruders Grimm Haus in Steinau an der Strasse.
Posted by: Mark E at October 30, 2011 05:19 PM (h6cI2)
Posted by: Ma Bell at October 30, 2011 05:19 PM (kzFnw)
Posted by: garfish at October 30, 2011 05:19 PM (h6jtj)
Yes and no. It's more about someone finding out he's a hunter and then finding out there's this whole other world with it's own culture and rules out there. There's a great bit where the one werewolf tells Our Hero that he heard stories about the Grimms when little so Our Hero is his boogieman. It's got a bit of a lighter tone to it as well. Also they're doing the Sarah Connor thing where what gets the current hunter, who is his aunt, is cancer, not the Big Bad. I like that twist to it.
You are my soul mate alexthechick.
Oh, I should be so lucky.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 05:20 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: the Miami Dolphins at October 30, 2011 05:21 PM (le5qc)
"There is the moral question of what constitutes a person and what constitutes a hollow shell that used to inhabit a person."
Which was elegantly summarized in this exchange between Malcolm Reynolds and the government assassin in Serenity, as the Reiver/Alliance battle was happening:
"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now. "
"You have no idea how true that is."
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 05:21 PM (M+lbD)
Posted by: Ma Bell
Ewww. Does that make the pages stick together?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:21 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2011 05:22 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Built for Adventure ePub at October 30, 2011 05:22 PM (QPV0F)
Earth Abides" is a good story about, get this, a disease wiping out most of the human population on Earth, with only a few scattered survivors trying to rebuild society. This premise sounds mysteriously familiar, doesn't it?
Yevgeny Zamyatin's We was written in 1921. It is told from the perspective of a diary that was written by the protagonist, D-503, who is a member of tyranous collectivist future society called Onestate. He is introduced to an impulsive woman who leads him to becoming involved in a rebellion against the State. The rebellion is quashed and the main character, as well as the woman, are forced to have an operation similar to lobotomy to make them compliant to the State, and find they no longer hold any empathy or affection for one another afterward, they seek only to obey.
One of the themes is that despite man's natural tendencies, nature if you will, toward rebelliousness, that Science would eventually progress to a point where it could be controlled for, and erradicated.
Ever read George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty-Four, published in 1949?
Premises get re-used all the time. A work can be derivative without being a rip-off. 1984 and We both have basically the exact same plot, but read them and you will find two very different books with very different points of focus.
Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2011 05:22 PM (MGZjj)
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ping_t: Oh Yes!
How much money is it that they've raised again?
Posted by: As If! is now What Now?! at October 30, 2011 05:23 PM (piMMO)
Since this thread has gone mildly OT in discussing good "end-of-the-world" books, I'd like to recommend a book from the 1950's. The book is Alas, Babylon and it's a study of the inhabitants of a little town in Florida that survive a nuclear war.
The main protagonist is a former Army officer (a veteran of the Korean War) and he has to help his family and neighbors survive. The book is well done and the characters act as you expect people trying to survive. There are some bad guys, too.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 05:24 PM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:24 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 05:24 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:25 PM (gvlTU)
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ping_t: Oh Yes!
How much money is it that they've raised again?
Posted by: As If! is now What Now?! at October 30, 2011 09:23 PM (piMMO)
You know, self-immolation would solve two problems for them: (1) warmth, (2) shows the seriousness of their cause.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 05:25 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:25 PM (RqTI6)
We will tear your soul apart!
Posted by: Pinhead at October 30, 2011 05:25 PM (Jy79E)
Was Dylan naked again? See how I focus like a laser on the important questions.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 05:28 PM (Gk3SS)
Tough it out, cupcakes.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:28 PM (B0LGd)
Yes, I've got a copy of "We" around here somewhere. The book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by Philip Dick is actually somewhat reminiscent of certain parts of that book, as the renegade "andies" were supposed to be bereft of human compasssion, but were also tools of the State. Philip Dick did that frequently, twisting around accepted premises (like "The Man in the High Castle", f'rinstance).
The differences all around are that Orwell and Dick could think and write, and King just copies and scribbles.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 05:29 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 09:09 PM (B0LGd)
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they still do. Fuck the corporate media.
Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 05:30 PM (ufJKx)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:30 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 30, 2011 05:30 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 05:31 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 30, 2011 05:32 PM (IqM9e)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:33 PM (GTbGH)
You know, self-immolation would solve two problems for them: (1) warmth, (2) shows the seriousness of their cause.
Posted by: AmishDude
Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to make sure.
Posted by: Corporal Hicks at October 30, 2011 05:33 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: weew at October 30, 2011 05:34 PM (7RbIF)
It's more the non-defense. The dogkiller is making them look like fools.
grrr.
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:34 PM (GTbGH)
PKD is probably my favorite science fiction author. The biographies of his life make for just as interesting reading.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (Jy79E)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (jucos)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: Crossed Matched iBooks at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (ymEDX)
Ohhhh the good stuff.
You know, I'm starting to think Immortals might not totally suck.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 05:35 PM (Gk3SS)
That's my line you fucking asshole.
Posted by: Ellen Ripley at October 30, 2011 05:36 PM (zaVyn)
97I don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight, but . . .
I am getting fucking tired of zombies.
As monsters, they're kind of boring. They shamble. They bite. They swarm. They're all rotting and icky. I know I've ragged on sparkly vampires, but at least a vampire can be a character. Zombies are automata. They could be replaced by a swarm of army ants, or a fire, and the story would be unchanged.
And on the metaphorical, symbolic level, they're awful. Zombies look just like people. Any story about zombies (except, importantly, the original slave fear of becoming one) is a story about killing people. Zombie movies are fantasies of slaughter. And it's no surprise that moviemakers use zombies to represent people they dislike. Who do they pick? Ordinary people. "Consumers."
Us.
Every single movie zombie I've ever seen has been white. They're a Hollywood liberal's nightmare of middle America, and so their heroes get to kill zombies by the hundreds.
So as of now, I'm officially sick of zombies. I want movie monsters who don't feed someone's fantasy of gunning me down.
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Preaching to the chior here. Its been suggested that they shower very infrequently. Never have anything usefull to say, whatsoever. Their grammar totally sucks, especially that online chat shorthand shit. Every waking moment is occupied with finding a handout by milling around town. I could go on, but I concur with your sentiment.
Posted by: Jimmah at October 30, 2011 05:36 PM (dW0Dp)
Posted by: derit at October 30, 2011 05:37 PM (FQlFL)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:37 PM (gvlTU)
You picked the Cowboys too?
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:37 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:38 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 09:37 PM (RqTI6)
Let me check......... Nope. Iggles. I am too far behind to come back at this point.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 05:40 PM (jucos)
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.
Posted by: A Thousand Lives AudioBook at October 30, 2011 05:41 PM (X7EjA)
Posted by: jasonj at October 30, 2011 05:43 PM (rlvr/)
holy fucking shit is this awful.
There was a 4 minute porch scene that made me want to shoot myself.
I can't believe how bad this show has gotten. We're three episodes into the season and nothing has happened. Sure people have been shot and stuff, but they are still sitting in the same spot on the highway.
Nothing has been accomplished. Nothing.
How did it get this bad and what the fuck is the deal with a talk show after the episode? With John Heder?
What. The. Fuck.
Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 05:43 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:43 PM (GTbGH)
I also watched episodes 2 & 3 of American Horror story. It's picking up the pace and now I am intrigued.
OMG- I am hooked on that show. It is totally bizarre. What the hell did that nurse see that made her pass out? They didn't explain it at all. Didn't the man in the black shiny leather have sex with the wife? Or did I dream that?
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 30, 2011 05:43 PM (Z71Vg)
Who is that snaggle toothed lady, Smithers? I like the cut of her jib.
Posted by: CM Burns at October 30, 2011 05:44 PM (B0LGd)
Racism is a semantic bludgeon used by the Left to achieve control of the social debate.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 08:21 PMWe're All Racists Now!
Posted by: Time Magazine after Obama loses at October 30, 2011 05:45 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:45 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 09:42 PM (RqTI6)
I think I saw them at the Walmart today.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 05:45 PM (jucos)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:46 PM (GTbGH)
From what's been said, AMC got greedy and slashed the effects budget and wanted more talky scenes and whatnot. Darabont got fired by AMC in a truly nasty fashion and he's mentioned that one of the eps that was turned in was so horribly directed that he was trying to edit into something approaching decent shape when he was let go. I was hoping that what he was saying was (justified) sour grapes but apparently not.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 05:46 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 09:35 PM (GTbGH)
We thought the same thing...muhahahaha
Posted by: Red Shirt - Liedowns Fan at October 30, 2011 05:48 PM (FIDMq)
Whatever happened to the guy who cut off his hand on the roof?
Or the black guy and his kid? Or what the CDC guy told the main character? Or the mexicans who were taking care of the elderly and toy dogs? Or their plan to go to Fort Benning? Or their fidelity to not firing guns because it could cause other zombies to come.
What the fuck is going on? This is so stupid
Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 05:48 PM (UvdzB)
Williams is the icon of the arrogant elitist lefty news anchor
Posted by: kbdabear at October 30, 2011 05:48 PM (Y+DPZ)
I feel like the show is begrudgingly killing 1 zombie per episode because it feels it is obligated too.
If it wasn't, I think they would completely cut out the entire zombie angle.
Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 05:49 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:49 PM (gvlTU)
I like Peter Jennings better since he died.
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:49 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:50 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 05:50 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:50 PM (RqTI6)
How? Haven't they been more or less moving randomly since he was ... er .. separated, so to speak?
Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 05:51 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: CM Burns at October 30, 2011 05:51 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Jprs at October 30, 2011 05:52 PM (DGnMA)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:53 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: 100 Unforgettable Dresses ePub at October 30, 2011 05:53 PM (X7EjA)
@192
With literally millions of abandoned vehicles parked around them, they stick with the "hanger queen" of an RV. The characters are stupid and need to be eaten so we can be put out of our misery.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 05:54 PM (M0NzJ)
Snowstorm, Cold Makes Life In Zuccotti Park Difficult For OWS Protesters
Note: I think it takes a bicycle generator 5 hours to charge one 12 volt battery
"But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.
“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis."
Posted by: kbdabear at October 30, 2011 05:55 PM (Y+DPZ)
Okay, I said it last week half-heartedly, but I'm really done. This show is a waste of time. I've got a few books on the shelf I've been meaning to get to.
How long is this season? 6 or 12 episodes? Either way, we're a decent way through it and nothing has happened.
Waiting for Godot was more action packed.
Did they just kill off the fat guy and now even fucking show him get killed? A God Damn series about zombies and you don't even show it when a character is eaten alive??
AHHHHHHH!!!
Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 05:56 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:56 PM (gvlTU)
Who says TV don't learn ye nothin'?
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 05:59 PM (B0LGd)
"But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.
“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis."
Now, they just need to round up about a thousand "volunteers" to pedal a 15-min shift once every 24 hours to cover the 10 bike-generators. It's a collective responsibility. Just like the laundry.
4 X 24 X 10 = 960
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 06:00 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at October 30, 2011 06:01 PM (y+LPw)
Someone we can root for. Someone we can care about.
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 06:01 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 06:02 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 06:03 PM (gvlTU)
Posted by: Pure Prairie League at October 30, 2011 06:05 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 06:06 PM (RqTI6)
Easily half the running time is upcoming scenes from this episode, followed by opening splash, followed by a recap, commercials, then more recap, and then this episode's gabfest. The end of the show is the same bullshit. I repeat: WTF?
Oh, they're rerunning the episode they just ran. I guess in case you missed any vital office girl bitchiness, I guess. At least, that's what I think they are doing. I don't know anymore.
Either I need sedation, or this show needs to get put down like that terrible Caprica show.
I don't think I need sedation.
Posted by: Josef K. at October 30, 2011 06:07 PM (7+pP9)
Yep off the gird and out of your fucking mind, what a dip-wad!
Hope ya freeze yer asses off ya twerps!
Posted by: Killerdog at October 30, 2011 06:07 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: Lord Jeffrey Amherst at October 30, 2011 06:09 PM (tqUbZ)
Posted by: rdbrewer
I didn't watch. Lemme guess, they killed the hunter, right? He was an EMT. He was more useful then the rest put together, especially Granpa Mr Goodwrench and his road dinosaur.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2011 10:09 PM (c9Ivb)
Of course they killed him. He was a hunter, and fat. He probably voted Republican - hell, he may even have gone tot a TEA party rally. In his pickup truck.
But don't worry - I'm sure they'll talk about him next week. A lot.
Posted by: Josef K. at October 30, 2011 06:13 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Tsepes at October 30, 2011 06:14 PM (x/Zpi)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 10:02 PM (ijjAe)
In their proposal to the GA on 10/25, Sarah from Sustainability was talking about 600w motors attached to the bikes. Also they estimated the avg person could bike generate about 80 watts (per hour? / unclear).
"people will be encouraged to pedal as much as they consume, and lots of people will pick up the slack."
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 06:15 PM (4q5tP)
ar for some reason..http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082242/.
Posted by: russ hines at October 30, 2011 06:16 PM (GkHqV)
Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at October 30, 2011 06:21 PM (aYue1)
Posted by: weew at October 30, 2011 06:21 PM (7RbIF)
Posted by: Ellen Ripley at October 30, 2011 06:24 PM (zaVyn)
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 06:28 PM (RqTI6)
Posted by: FerdBiffle at October 30, 2011 06:43 PM (Pl7mu)
Characteristic Stillerman: During discussions about the show, he would repeatedly say, "Ratings have no bearing on this conversation." Brilliant.
Whether implicitly or explicitly, ratings have everything to do with every conversation about a show.
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 07:06 PM (RqTI6)
Just a guess, but he's a reincarnation of the guy who ruined Star Trek back in the day at NBC, since they both appear to treat hubris as a substitute for brains.
Reminds me of the king in the movie Amadeus talking to Mozart: "There are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect."
Suggested new show for AMC: A show about making TV shows, featuring sympathetic show creators and a narcissistic prick studio/network exec who goes around fucking things up while taking credit for anything good the creators do along the way.
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 07:20 PM (RqTI6)
Jesus said to love.
His father (GOD, the old testament) hated, but its the new covenant.
What say you???
Posted by: God I hate Recon at October 30, 2011 07:31 PM (a1DlD)
Posted by: Assassin6 at October 30, 2011 07:46 PM (FfukH)
Posted by: Bob at October 30, 2011 07:50 PM (4DoFz)
And goddammit why is it we get 5 minutes of zombies and 50 minutes of soap opera?
Posted by: JCELEPHANT at October 30, 2011 07:59 PM (TYm2g)
Posted by: Bob at October 30, 2011 08:00 PM (4DoFz)
Yes. One of the few books about survival where trying to survive isn't treated as a mortal sin and/or impossible.
That and Lucifer's Hammer.
This is an artifact of the Left's war on the West. During the Cold War, they kept hammering one theme over and over: that the only hope for mankind was for the US and its allies to unilaterally surrender to the Soviet Union. They demonized anybody who tried minimize the impact of a nuclear war by building a anti-missile system or a comprehensive Civil Defense system.
And really nothing has changed: replace nuclear war (winter) with global warming and you pretty much have same dynamic.
Posted by: RayJ at October 30, 2011 08:09 PM (LYiL5)
Watched half of the first episode the 2nd year and decided...Meh.
If a zombie apocalypse show puts me to sleep with the talk, talk, talk, there's something wrong.
No interest.
Posted by: Minuteman (aka trainer) until Juggy is Gone at October 30, 2011 08:14 PM (DGxyd)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 30, 2011 08:26 PM (NadeK)
only for you buttercup...
Posted by: shoey at October 30, 2011 08:46 PM (m6OUa)
All I want to know is: Would the BLOB eat zombies?
Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at October 30, 2011 10:21 PM (aYue1)
The Blob is an underrated monster on the horrific scale. A giant amoeba that keeps growing and growing? It's a shame that fuckwit Rob Zombie is doing the latest remake.Posted by: Blackford Oakes at October 30, 2011 09:03 PM (RN90h)
Posted by: Deety links to GoatPron at October 30, 2011 09:15 PM (SINNR)
Posted by: Deety links to GoatPron at October 30, 2011 09:37 PM (SINNR)
No. It sucks. Giant. Balls.
Tonight's episode was the tipping point for me, idiotic people doing idiotic things, LOTS of stupid filler and the "twist" at the end was as predictable as a "choose your own adventure" book.
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 30, 2011 10:15 PM (9AsIi)
Because they are little tyrants who feel the need to make an example of one soldier to keep all the others in line.
You mentioned "Star Trek" as an example. Allow me to add a few more:
Firefly (canceled because of lack of ratings; the show was put in the 8pm Friday slot; a ratings death trap)
Mystery Science Theater 3000 (canceled because then Comedy Central President Doug Herzog "didn't get the show". Sci-Fi picked it up later but the damage had been done)
Max Headroom (ABC Exec "didn't get it" ordered cancellation)
Wonderfalls (WB Exec felt it wouldn't appeal to audiences, despite the fact it had huge ratings and critical raves)
Doctor Doctor (CBS exec believed the show was too "edgy")
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 30, 2011 10:21 PM (9AsIi)
Since this thread has gone mildly OT in discussing good
"end-of-the-world" books, I'd like to recommend a book from the 1950's.
The book is Alas, Babylon and it's a study of the inhabitants of a
little town in Florida that survive a nuclear war.
Pat Frank was a pretty good writer. Pity he died so young. As he mentioned in another book, "If you want to get rich during a disaster, horde smokes & liquor..."
Posted by: backhoe, Hobbit tea-roar-ist of Doom at October 31, 2011 01:45 AM (QROim)
Posted by: Syracuse1989 at October 31, 2011 03:31 AM (OIIe6)
Posted by: Ann NY at October 31, 2011 04:37 AM (9DoiV)
Reply to 5.
Me neither. I read that book because it was supposed to be great literature. I kept waiting for something to happen. I was still waiting at the end of the book. I determined that I would never read another Stephen King book again (but I did read one or two others). The one thing I can say about Stephen King is that he DOES NOT know how to end a book. All his books leave me wondering why I even bothered. I have not read one of his books in years and don't plan to.
Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 08:09 AM (Ifa6n)
29. Ooh, I forgot about The Long Walk. I read that and like it a lot. Very different. It reminded me of a short short story I read many years ago named The Lottery. And of course The Shining. I remember being completely blown away by that book. I guess it was later that I turned against anything by Stephen King.
Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (Ifa6n)
Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (Ifa6n)
The author of Alas Babylon later said of his novel, "I did not realize just how devastating a real Nuclear war would be, my novel did not cover all the aspects of the radiation threat nor nuclear winter." The author also wrote a book on how to survive a nuclear war that was not a work of fiction. It was titled How to survive a nuclear war and why. This book he also said was written before the full impact of such a war would have on people.
In both books Mr. Frank stated that at the time he had written an optomistic view of the situation.
Posted by: HEP-T at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (YoRu6)
Posted by: ejo at October 31, 2011 12:31 PM (pJ07w)
I'm thinking The Walking Dead is about to tank, big time...
Posted by: the_penultimate_genius at November 01, 2011 04:30 AM (OggV/)
Admittedly, the worst mistake any show producer can make is hiring Sarah Wayne Callies in a starring role. If she gets her way she will turn it into a real soap opera revolved chiefly around her character. But for now, the show is fine. Not perfect, but still damn good.
As for why Shane shot the guy and left him alive for the zombies to eat instead of killing him with a head shot, the simple answer to that is, zombies aren't interested in eating dead bodies, they only care about eating the living.
Not only was this the only way Shane could save himself, it was also the only way he could get the medicine to the kid.
And if you didn't like the Hanging Zombie segment, there's no pleasing you. Maybe you should find something more to your liking, like Desperate Housewives.
Posted by: ThePaganTemple at November 01, 2011 01:01 PM (6mt0/)
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