1 Why do I get so many extra lines between my paragraphs?

2 Obumbles won't drill it.

3 i 'll put a stop to this in my 2nd term - baracky

4 No permits to be had

5 When will the Obama-run EPA ban fracking? 

6

Some of us who follow this have been saying for many years, that we COULD be energy independent IF the Government would get out of the way...

Compressed Natural gas for Automobiles... diesel for Trucks... and Nuc for Electricity.... and we're good for at least 200 years...

7 might be time to ditch that 'ol 386 and get a pentium machine...

8 This is the upside of higher oil prices, as the price goes up more and more of these "homegrown" oil sources will be exploited. Provided the Obama Interior Department allows it. That's where Congressional oversight is required. Take any of Frank Church's speeches from the 1970's and replace "CIA" with "EPA", or "Interior Dept.", (or FCC for that matter) and you have the roadmap. Just imagine if some conservative in the House actually had the testicular fortitude to say something like: "The EPA is a rogue elephant and Congress must reign it in!". Pure gold...

9

This will not do.

10
The use of oil is unsustainable, and only an immediate rush to wind power and solar will save the nation. 

11 U.S. natural gas reserves increased by the most in history last year, and crude reserves also rose, as companies drilled frantically into shale rock
formations with new technology...

Not if I have any say in it.

12 Someone doesn't know how to use the blockquote tag.

13 10
The use of oil is unsustainable, and only an immediate rush to wind power and solar will save the nation. 

Posted by: Joe Biden, Best VP Evah! at February 26, 2011 07:03 PM (ZHsNw)

Wind and solar power??? Is that when you get a blow job, while also outside getting a tan?

14 ho hum *yawn*

15 This is all no surprise. It has been known for a long time. Why do you think the government has been sweeping up all the land for the public (my ass) trough? This way they can keep anyone from benefiting from these new discoveries. What the government does not own, they will lawyer away any ability to utilize the resource. It's gorebull warming or bust for these morons. Gotta save the planet don't you know.

16 "Gasland" is up for best documentary at Sunday's Academy Awards ceremony. Director Josh Fox's dark portrayal of greedy energy companies, sickened homeowners and oblivious regulators has stirred heated debate among the various stakeholders in a natural gas boom that is sweeping parts of the U.S. This includes northeast Pennsylvania, where the Marcellus shale deposit holds vast natural gas reserves. The film has galvanized anti-drilling activists while drawing complaints about its accuracy and objectivity.

17

North Dakota, home of the oil-rich Bakken Shale formation, saw its reserves jump by a whopping 83 percent, or 481 million barrels.
The world uses this amount in six effin days people. Get a grip. It only helps us go another 24 days.

That said...drill it. Until we HAVE to use something else for fuel we're going to lick the plate clean. So keep on licking.

Honey Badger don't give a shit.

18 But-but-but Peak Oil!

<Plugs ears> Na-na-na-na, I can't hear you!

19 OT but apparently thousands of Libyans are fleeing the country into Tunisia.  Does that mean that they'll still be Libyans, or do they become Tunisians, or will they just be Palestinians?

20 Why do you think the government has been sweeping up all the land

And when they're not doing that they sick Ken Salazar on the states with the gall to open up what is rightly theirs.

/Utahn

21 No, no peak oil! Peak oil dammit! Pay no attention to the billions of gallons discovered every year behind the curtain!!!!

22 So Volkswagen has a working prototype hybrid/diesel that gets 170 mpg
They have a hybrid/diesel Golf in production that gets 65+ mpg
But it's not available here in the USA because the powers that be don't want you to actually be more efficient. Gasoline tax revenues would be too low.

23 If only there were some use for all these substances we have such an abundance of.  Can natural gas be used to make solar panels?

Just think, if we could extract energy from these substances somehow, we might not have to worry so much when a Libya, say, suffers internal upheaval.

Ahh, but then I forgot about the SUFR - Strategic Unicorn Fart Reserve.

The country's in the best of hands.

24 Thank you, TexasJew!

25 I would like some de-BS'ification about the issue of "fracking" polluting aquafers (the water table).  I know the gas in question is thousands of feet below the water table, but does that mean it's under too much pressure and rock to ever just travel up?  That fracking can't be done without precautions?  That fracking can't be done near where people have water wells?  What's the deal?

26 Yay, Barnett Shale! I run title out there. More drilling please. Shameless pandering done for the day.

27 And don't you think that China wouldn't kill all of us to get at it. Exceptin the women. China needs women.

28 Enough of this! Who is playing at the White House tonight. Michelle needs to get her groove on!

29 26 Yay, Barnett Shale! I run title out there. More drilling please.

You drink their gasshake.

30 We could totally own this whole energy game, except for the crapweasels in DC and the fact that, well, it would just be so unfair.  TJ's been braving the truly inhospitable weather in North Dak doing this very thing.  And, hey, let's just forget about offshore drilling and the fuckin ANWR. 

31 That whole Bakken area is a known nesting ground for the endangered Red Breasted Turkey Grouse.  I don't see as there is any way possible that we could go in there and disrupt this vital habitat.

32 the endangered Red Breasted Turkey Grouse.

Honey badger say, make mine a double!

33 Natural gas is produced thousands of feet below the water table.  Gasland is the vapor that accompanies bullshit.

34

Why do I get so many extra lines between my paragraphs?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 26, 2011 06:54 PM (rQ2EG)

Because you're special.

Enjoy the ride on the short bus.

35 Enjoy the ride on the short bus.
Posted by: Ed Anger

Oooo, flame war.

36

Posted by: huerfano at February 26, 2011 07:22 PM (2pEj7)

A serious answer would be nice.  Just because it's initially below, doesn't mean it will stay below if enough rock is broken.  I want to be able to respond intelligently, and with confidence to all my libtard amis...

37 I grew up around the oil business. Everyone I knew made their living offshore. If this administration wanted to get some good jobs for this country they only need to look to the oilfield jobs. But, they will not and it is a shame because they are good paying jobs and the industries who service the oilfields would employ so many people.

38 Living in a world where Salazar can wear a cowboy hat bothers me more than Obama with a flag pin.

39 I live in the center of the Marcellus gas field. The local MBM fervently pushes the luddite anti-fracking memes. I expect the idiots to prevail.

40 What is the 411 on the guaranteed loans to Brazil for deep-water production. I insist someone puts me some knowledge.

Kyle Busch, bitches

41 Oooo, flame war.

Posted by: goldbricker

 

Careful.  There's a lot of gas around here.

42

A serious answer would be nice.  Just because it's initially below, doesn't mean it will stay below if enough rock is broken.  I want to be able to respond intelligently, and with confidence to all my libtard amis...

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 26, 2011 07:25 PM

They pump sand and water down at high pressure.  The tubing is cemented in and gas does not escape.  This is a pretty fair description of the techniques used.

43 There's also an interesting claim from Italy about cold fusion. Search for Focardi and Rossi for more info. Yes, I know not to get my hopes up, but it hasn't yet reached Steorn levels of implausibility.

44 If gas is 6 or 7 bucks a gallon in 2012, and prices of everything that has to be moved goes up along with electricity bills, and it causes Honey Badger's poll numbers to indicate he could lose ...

Then he'll announce that he's tapping into the Strategic Reserve and taxing Windfall Profits.

The MBM will announce that he's just won re-election with that move

If I have to relive any decade, WHY THE FUCKING 70's !!!

45 I think you will be pleasantly surprised there Ed. Pennsy is sick of dying, might be high time to come back up there. You are there, you don't see the differences I am seeing, going up to Columbia County a few times a year. Things are changing for the better. Our neighbors actually SEE a future up there! They won't give that up for some silliness.

46 I support stuffing several hundred environmentalists down each well so they can study the problems close-hand.

Because I care about my environment.

47 @38 That's why if we can elect the right conservatives in 2012, they're going to look like economic geniuses. Energy jobs are great jobs. Just cut the energy industry loose and watch the rebound happen in record time. Also as energy costs go down so will other costs. We'll be well into inflation by that time and lowering energy costs will help. We've also got to stop using food (corn) for fuel and defund all green nonsense. Hopefully, if the Reps have both houses they'll have the balls to cut taxes across the board.

48 Algore always gets applause and laughs from his cultists by claiming that oil shale is like the junkie who sifts through dirt to get the coke spilled in there out of it for his fix.

He must have been watching his son in action when he came up with that analogy

49
Oooo, flame war.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 26, 2011 07:24 PM (S59+B)

I admit it was a senseless cheap shot.

Gotta point?

50

One of the big problems is what to do with the frakking water that comes back up out of the hole.  Sometimes it is just dumped into a holding pond, and that's where the trouble begins. Then some of this crud can get into the water table or the watershed around the area of work (for instance, into the Susquehanna watershed in the Marcellus shale area of work).

There is a new treatment technology afoot where the frakking water gets cleaned up as it comes back up out of da hole.  Pretty soon this will be standard at every drilling site.

51 Fischer-Tropsch oil from coal, cheapest of all.

52 47- I support stuffing several hundred environmentalists down each well so they can study the problems close-hand. I second that!

53

A serious answer would be nice.  Just because it's initially below, doesn't mean it will stay below if enough rock is broken.  I want to be able to respond intelligently, and with confidence to all my libtard amis...

 

They've been fracking here in OK for years and I haven't heard of any contaminations of aquifers or wells.  There were a few complaints about contamintion in northwest OK, but most of it turned out to be false.  The big contaminator of wells in OK is when gyp water seeps down from above into the deeper drilled wells.  Gyp water is some nasty shit.  The cows won't even drink it. 

54 Gotta point?
Posted by: Ed Anger

No, just bored. Got brains?!   OOoo burn! ... Yeah, well... anyway.

55 Doesn't matter.  When you have a President that inherently believes that every resource, from natural to human resources, are limited you will inevitably end up with shortages of everything from natural resources to human resources.  (See the Carter Administration.)

In contrast when you have a President that believes in the unlimited God given ability of humans and their ability to properly conserve their dominion over the earth you end up with a surplus in every area of life.  (See the Reagan Administration.)
DKK

56 Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind!

57 Greetings: Back in the '70s, I was working on a minor in Economics. I had a professor who was an admitted Marxist. One day, the centerpiece of his lecture was that, at any point in time, the oil industry could declare that there was only 15 years worth of oil supply left. He went on to explain that this was true because the oil industry didn't need any more than a 15 year supply. That was adequate time to locate, extract, and manufacture the beneficial derivatives of that bubbling crude. To find more would provide no real economic benefit to them or their customers.

58

There is a new treatment technology afoot where the frakking water gets cleaned up as it comes back up out of da hole.  Pretty soon this will be standard at every drilling site.

 

In OK we extract all the salt water that comes up and then repump it back down into old abandoned oil wells.  No fuss, no muss.  (And we have a lot of old abandoned oil wells)

59 Peak Oil!  Any minute now.  Yep. 

60 I am beginning to think that oil isn't a fossil fuel after all, it is some other process and the earth continually creates it.

61 ""I support stuffing several hundred environmentalists down each well so they can study the problems close-hand. ""


Fuck that, make the hole big enough and throw them all in, and save algore's fat ass last for the plug.

62

If we had a real President in the White House he would be out there himself manning the rigs.

This would solve so many of our problems. unfortunately we do'nt have a real President. We have a long-legged Mack Daddy instead

63 n OK we extract all the salt water that comes up and then repump it back down into old abandoned oil wells.  No fuss, no muss.  (And we have a lot of old abandoned oil wells) Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 07:49 PM

Same deal in NM.  The flowback water goes into a lined pit and is then hauled to a disposal, usually an injection well.

64 To be honest, I do care about the environment but not to the extent that I value my head on my shoulders. I say DRILL and now. As long as we are dependent on the middle east for our oil we are only a short time away from what? I think we are seeing what - right now. Where does this end?

65

If we had a real President in the White House he would be out there himself manning the rigs.

This would solve so many of our problems. unfortunately we do'nt have a real President. We have a long-legged Mack Daddy instead

Posted by: martha at February 26, 2011 07:52 PM

Sorry, I have to put on my comfortable shoes and walk the picket line first. 

Plus, I don't think I have a hardhat head.

66 64 - Mack Daddy! I love that pastor that said that but I forget his name.

67  I am beginning to think that oil isn't a fossil fuel after all, it is some other process and the earth continually creates it.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 26, 2011 07:52 PM (xdHzq)

 

That idea is growing too.  Rush has talked about it a couple of times.

68

A serious answer would be nice.  Just because it's initially below, doesn't mean it will stay below if enough rock is broken.  I want to be able to respond intelligently, and with confidence to all my libtard amis...

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 26, 2011 07:25 PM (bgSjf)

One key thing they miss is WHERE we are doing this.  If you look at the Shale areas in Western Colorado... there aint nothin out there but miles of nothing...

Also, while there IS some possibility of contamination, there is already Natural contamination happening.... with the oversite that will be on these areas, they will probably end of cleaner than if we had left it to Mom Nature (who does seem to like dirt... /smile)

69 62 I am beginning to think that oil isn't a fossil fuel after all, it is some other process and the earth continually creates it.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes

A lot of planetary geologist think there was a huge amount of methane trapped in the Earth's crust when the plant was formed.  This has been seeping up to the surface for literally billions of years.  This is what we keep getting when we drill down.  There is still a tremendous amount of methane to be recovered.

 Makes you wonder if there is a natural  process that changes some of that methane into long chain and polyaromatic  hydrocarbons,  like oil.

70 No, just bored. Got brains?!   OOoo burn! ... Yeah, well... anyway.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 26, 2011 07:41 PM (S59+B)

Ummmm.... brainsssss....

71

To be honest, I do care about the environment but not to the extent that I value my head on my shoulders. I say DRILL and now. As long as we are dependent on the middle east for our oil we are only a short time away from what? I think we are seeing what - right now. Where does this end?

 

I don't think there's a conservative alive that doesn't want a clean enviroment.  The difference between us is that first, we love humanity too, and second, we have a practical end to the lengths we'll go to keep our surroundings clean and still have a viable energy policy. 

72 We need to get a second opinion on this.  Find me a Harvard graduate, stat!

73 Too bad Jugears McFuckstick won't let us tap any of it.

74

Makes you wonder if there is a natural  process that changes some of that methane into long chain and polyaromatic  hydrocarbons,  like oil.

 

High heat, high pressure, no oxygen.  No telling what's going on deep deep below us.  Geologists can only speculate.

75 O/T:  I have been reading posts like "thanks to the good people of WI, the GOP is in retreat" and stuff like that.  Did I miss something today?

76 Production water rarely contanimates local aquifers or surface water- the pits are engineered not to spill, they're lined and every site has a spill plan (costing 10s of 1000s to write, and is closely monitored), even out in the west where there aren't any surface streams to contaiminate. That nearby wash might only have water running in it once every 100 years- but there's a spill plan like it's back east. They can't be abandoned without an engineered pit closure and monitoring.  l

77 Re: 77 I haven't heard anything like that in my neck of the woods (northern Virginia)- sounds like wishcasting to me.

78

Long time lurker, first time poster.  No link-fu skills.

In answer to ParisParamus regarding hydraulic fracturing (:fraccing):

Shale formations are composed of sediments, mostly fine-grained silts and clays that were deposited in deep-water, still environments.  Most contain some amount of organic matter.  As the sediments are buried over geologic time (millions of years), the weight of the overlying sediments and the heat generated by the decay of the organic material and the earth's core casue the sediments to compact.  Because of the fine size of the silts and the clay minerals, the shales become impermeable to flow over a reasonable time.  They become barriers to flow.

When a well if hydraulically fractured, the process is designed and controlled to extend the fracture upwards from the point of origin through the subject formation and outward from the wellbore to provide a larger, higher permeability region (the fracture itself) for the fluid (gas, water or oil) to flow.  Fracture intervals are usually on the order of tens of feet thick, and multiple fractures may be performed in a wellbore to extend the range.  For the well to be economic, there must be sufficient pressure, which is a function of depth, for the gas to flow at commercial rates.  Thus, the formations are usually thousands of feet (one to three miles) below the surface.

Fresh water aquifers are usually less than 500 feet deep.  As you go deeper, the water becomes saltier, generally, because the fresh rainwater has not replaced the saltier seawater that was originally laid down with the sediments (there are exceptions).  Between the aquifer and the shale zone of interest are additional layers, just like a layer cake, alternating between porous and permeable zones and impermeable shales.  If the fracture would break out of one zone, it would not pass through all of the other impermeable zones between it and the aquifer.  Thus, the gas is held in place by the caprock(s).

Hope this wasn't too wordy.

79

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 08:02 PM (+yLk4)

Yeppers... USE, not ABUSE...

I was a member of the Sierra Club, as my Father was, for many years... right up until they 'went off the reservation' and started the Luddite stuff.

I've probably cleaned up more areas, and picked up more trash, than the vast majority of 'environmentalist' who go to protests....

80 If you like your extra lines between paragraphs, you can keep them.

81

Hope this wasn't too wordy.

Posted by: jett rink

Very informative, thanks. And welcome!

82

Hope this wasn't too wordy.

Posted by: jett rink

Nope, it was very well done. Thanks.

83 And another thing- to think that all these years I thought that "frakking" was just a euphemism for "fucking". Turns out it's actually a technical term related to gas drilling. The things you learn on a Saturday night at AoSHQ!!

84

Hope this wasn't too wordy.

Posted by: jett rink at February 26, 2011 08:18 PM (AEfsC)

Not at all.  In contrast, I believe my 1st post was a Tony Montana sock.  In other words, at least you brought some good knowledge and insight to the table. Welcome.

 

Paid 3.24 a gallon today.  What are other morons paying?

Bronx Tale on Spike if anyone is interested btw.

 

85

The big contaminator of wells in OK is when gyp water seeps down from above into the deeper drilled wells.  Gyp water is some nasty shit.  The cows won't even drink it. 

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 07:41 PM (+yLk4)

Same here in PA. Lots of the drill sites have shallow strata full of gas. Some people have always been able to take a jar full of water from their farm pond, cap it, shake it, uncap it and burn the gas from it.

But now they can sue over it.

86

Posted by: sickinmass at February 26, 2011 08:13 PM (1rflU)

 

Bakkan, ANWR, Colorado, etc., even here in southeast OK there's a shelf of shale that hasn't been fully explored yet.  These and the largesse that's offshore are only the "known" reserves.  Who knows what we'd find if DC would just let the energy companies untie just one of their hands.   

87 $2.99

88

Bakkan, ANWR, Colorado, etc., even here in southeast OK there's a shelf of shale that hasn't been fully explored yet.  These and the largesse that's offshore are only the "known" reserves.  Who knows what we'd find if DC would just let the energy companies untie just one of their hands.   

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2011 08:25 PM (+yLk4)

 

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.  All this and an almost limitless supply of coal. 

89 ""I am beginning to think that oil isn't a fossil fuel after all, it is some other process and the earth continually creates it.""

Reminds me of an argument I had from an evirowhacko. He said something about how the oil we pull from the ground is like sucking an engine crankcase dry of oil, and maybe the earth needs the oil where it is. I asked him where you could even get proof of a theory like that.

So being the typical leftist with no answers, he asks ME to prove him wrong. At that point I said all i can prove is T-rex existed, because one dropped a big turd and its standing in front of me talking.

90 Oh, and if that coal is gassy, then there is coal-bed methane, which was the hot commodity several years ago in northeastern oklahoma.  Too deep to mine, but the gas was economic to produce, after fracturing.

91 Reminds me of an argument I had from an evirowhacko. He said something about how the oil we pull from the ground is like sucking an engine crankcase dry of oil, and maybe the earth needs the oil where it is. I asked him where you could even get proof of a theory like that.


and they call US the stupid ones

92 $3.16 at the WalMart site when you use their "gift card". However, Florence has it even cheaper at $3.06 right now. That is because that is the pipeline terminus.

That is why it is higher down there in Charleston. The further you get from that terminus, the higher it gets due to transport costs.

93 Do ya'll think that most libs even understand the trickle down affect of high gas prices? We ship all our product all over the country and our prices include shipping. We have to absorb the cost this shipping season because we already quoted prices. But, if diesel is this high or higher next year we have to go up on our prices so that will trickle down to our customers and then to their customers. I swear sometimes I just don't think that some people don't realize that small business people have to take so many risks. Some people think that if you own ANY type of business you are rich. I hate them and I hate that I am hating them more and more every single day.

94 Sorry, but I'm too busy drilling Americans in the ass to drill for oil.

95 Great post and thread, 'cept for reminding about the gov's everlasting buy-up of land. I was shocked when I learned of how much they "owned" in the 90's, and even with the year-after-year deficits, they have been acquiring more.
The abiogenic theory of petroleum is damn interesting too.
Is it too late for a mid-forties guy to go to WY or ND and find work with an oil company, starting at the bottom? I've been in metal fab and rigging and CAD since college. One of the ME's I worked with in my 20's worked as a mud man in Montana, and I loved the stories, mostly about punchups after the 6th month of winter, REALLY cold weather, and general 4x4 lawlessness.I'm kind of attached to my fingers, though, and he said roughnecks lose them frequently.

96

 All this and an almost limitless supply of coal. 

Oh, at the rate we are using it, we have an umlimited supply.

97 Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 26, 2011 08:23 PM (dWPyO)

You may be interested in this site:

http://tinyurl.com/6ksa86m

98 ""and they call US the stupid ones""


well after Rosie announced on TV that 9/11 was a fake because its the first time in history fire melted steel I knew right there that leftist really means reverse polarity, they came wired wrong, they talk with their ass and shit with their mouth.

99

Posted by: jett rink at February 26, 2011 08:18 PM (AEfsC)

 

I like the nic.  And, yes, I know where it's from.  Happier days. 

100 That is why it is higher down there in Charleston. The further you get from that terminus, the higher it gets due to transport costs.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2011 08:29 PM (M9Ie6)

Hey, interesting Vic.  You been getting good weather the last few weeks?  Been great down in these parts.  Hit 70 today.

101 There is some evidence of abiogenic (or basin-centered) gas, but not so much for oil.  It comes from dead sea creatures that die and fall to the bottom of deep, oxygen-poor environments and is buried, compressed and cooked over very long periods.  A Dr. Gold was a big proponent of abiogenic gas back in the 80's and got someone to spend a lot of money on a deep well in Scandinavia (I think), without finding more than a puff of gas.

102 Hey, interesting Vic.  You been getting good weather the last few weeks?  Been great down in these parts.  Hit 70 today.

Its been going up and down. Today it was 66°, yesterday 74°. tomorrow it is supposed to get to 77°

103 Posted by: Berserker at February 26, 2011 08:27 PM (gWHrG) LOL! I really think that a large part of the leftists' idiocy stems from the fact that they really have no idea of how BIG the world actually is. If they were forced to got out of their metropolitan apartments, sail out in a small boat, and spend a week or so out of sight of land I think they would get a much more accurate perspective of the size of the natural world, and by contrast their own smallness and insignificance. Then again they have been trained from birth to believe that the universe revolves around them and the sun shines out their asses so it may take a long time for them to absorb the lesson.

104 Why would we want gas or oil? They will prevent us from achieving the progressive dream of everyone huddled, cold and poor but equal, in the Lord of the Manor's great hall, as we melt into one community. At one with nature and knowing our place before the State and the King. A feudal ambition.

105

You may be interested in this site:

Thanks.  Where I'm at is a bit higher than further inland.  North Charleston runs around 5 cents cheaper in seems.

106 a/s/l/regular unleaded price 48/m/nj/$3.09

107 I want to see 1 dollar a gallon gasoline.

108 Just ask your local envirodouche: crude oil is all-natural, coming from the earth loaded with organic goodness...what's your fucking problem, bitch?

109

Posted by: Buck O. Phive at February 26, 2011 08:30 PM (HwIdb)

 

Think you could drive an 18-wheeler?  Why don't you investigate that.  Lots and lots of trucks in the oil patch. 

110 I have always maintained that there are three kinds of "greens". The most prevalent type is the watermelon, green on the outside, red on the inside.

Green is just another racket to push international communism. The second largest block is the anarchists. The simply want to destroy all civilization so they can watch the world burn.

The smallest group are the actual true believers. They are just shithouse nuts.

111 ref Abiogenic oil (or, oil don't come from dinosaurs...) Since it gets hotter and hotter the deeper you go, after a while it seems unlikely that oil would be... you know, OIL after being subjected to very high temperatures for hundreds of millions (or 1-4 billion) years. Yeah, I know it won't catch fire without oxygen but it's a batch of complex chemicals and ya think they'd degrade after REALLY long periods of high temperature. So I don't think you'll find oil 100 miles down. (btw, this isn't my idea. I read it somewhere else and I just typed up what I remembered of it)

112 About the cheapest today in southern Clownifornia around me was regular for $3.71 per gallon. Much higher in the central parts of LA.

113 North Charleston runs around 5 cents cheaper in seems.

Sometimes that site runs behind by a day so if the price is changing rapidly it can get behind.

114 ""LOL! I really think that a large part of the leftists' idiocy stems from the fact that they really have no idea of how BIG the world actually is.""


Thats exactly what I always say. The problem is they have an over active case of self importance, as if the planet actually gives a shit about them. Then there is their sheer arrogance to even think they can control the planet. Everything is control with them, they think because they wish it it happens, and if they think it it must be true.

They don't have a clue what a microscopic little worthless piece of dust they are in the grand scheme of the planet, not to mention the galaxy, or universe.

115 Anyone know how to contact dri and tell him he got trolled by snopes?

116 Yeah, I know it won't catch fire without oxygen but it's a batch of complex chemicals and ya think they'd degrade after REALLY long periods of high temperature. So I don't think you'll find oil 100 miles down.

but we only observe it here on the surface where it's not really hot

117  I want to see 1 dollar a gallon gasoline.

Posted by: Holger at February 26, 2011 08:36 PM (YxGud)

Well you might be able to get some uranium from the Libyans now for the Delorean.  Try 1997. 

I remember moving out to San Diego some 10 years ago and freaking out because gas was around 1.60 a gallon. 

 

 

118 Just ask your local envirodouche: crude oil is all-natural, coming from the earth loaded with organic goodness...what's your fucking problem, bitch?


I need this in bumpersticker format.

119 Thats exactly what I always say. The problem is they have an over active case of self importance, as if the planet actually gives a shit about them. Perfect time to google "George Carlin environment youtube." The guy got that one spot on.

120

@114

There is a temperature range for oil formation, known as the oil window.  Less temperature, no cooking.  Too much heat, degraded oil.  May be a tar mat, may just be missing fractions, as the light ones cook off first.

121 Ref the dri being trolled. http://www.snopes.com/lost/false.asp Snopes' smartass way of describing False Authority Syndrome.

122 110 I want to see 1 dollar a gallon gasoline.

no fucking shit
I am not old enough to remember 25 cent gas, but I do remember 89 cent gas

bahh makes me miss the 90's

123 Thanks, Soona
I never thought about that. As I've always been designing or making metal parts, I was stuck on the fact that they probably have every gantry, fitting, or flange already available to them for the last 90 years.
It would have to have knobby tires, though.

124  I want to see 1 dollar a gallon gasoline.

Posted by: Holger at February 26, 2011 08:36 PM (YxGud)

 

When I started college in '67 there were two gas stations near campus on one of the main roads in town.  They had about an ten month gas war where for the last five months one station was selling gas for 10 cents a gallon and the other 5 cents a gallon.

125
Its been going up and down. Today it was 66°, yesterday 74°. tomorrow it is supposed to get to 77°

Whut are dem - Angstrom degrees?

126 Holy shit! It just snowed in Burbank.

Is Algore in town?

127 Whut are dem - Angstrom degrees?

yeah they're very very tiny degrees
man it must be cold where Vic is, being almost absolute zero and all

128 Hey, I'm so old I remember seeing gas for less than thirty cents per gallon near the Washington/Idaho border when I was a very wee Orwell.

129 129 Holy shit! It just snowed in Burbank.

Is Algore in town?

Posted by: sifty at February 26, 2011 08:45 PM (Q6tnr)

No.... Hell... froze over...

hmmmm....

130

Sometimes that site runs behind by a day so if the price is changing rapidly it can get behind

Oh ok.  I know generally if I hold off until I get inland it's usually cheaper. MP is a bit more expensive it seems.

In other news, I mixed in some Bojangles tonight.  I'm not missing Denver on a night like this. Shorts weather.

 

131 Whut are dem - Angstrom degrees? Tiny filthy Scandi wavelengths. Like tiny filthy Scandi dicks.

132 I have always maintained that there are three kinds of "greens".

You forgot the fourth, largest group: Unwitting dupes. Don't have the brains to realize the watermelons are lying to them, but really really want to feel good about caring.  And really want other people to see them caring.

Someday I'm going to get kicked out of a quilt show for pointing out to some dumb scrunt that every piece of her "green" quilt was delivered by diesel-powered vehicles (especially the imported organic cotton and oil-based polyster thread).

133 Oh dear, sifty... you are near me.

134 Serious question:

Is oil still forming?

135 They don't have a clue what a microscopic little worthless piece of dust they are in the grand scheme of the planet, not to mention the galaxy, or universe. Posted by: Berserker at February 26, 2011 08:40 PM (gWHrG) I remember reading somewhere that one of the most important lessons the United States Naval Academy sought to impress upon its graduates is summed up in the phrase (and I'm misquoting here) "How vast is the ocean, and how small is my ship". Internalizing that lesson requires a level of humility that a leftist is incapable of attaining.

136 Scary huh?

137

 but really really want to feel good about caring.  And really want other people to see them caring.

This.  Also called status whoring.

138

129  Holy shit! It just snowed in Burbank

low 80's and sunny here again...so boring

oh well

139 Humanity is a very small flea on the back of a very large elephant. On a good day, maybe, the elephant feels an itch.

If it even knows where we are I am sure it knows how to get rid of us if it needs to.

140 I am not old enough to remember 25 cent gas, but I do remember 89 cent gas

The first gas I bought for my own vehicle was at 41 cents a gal. What was funny was it was for a motor cycle that held only 2.5 gallons so I could fill up on less than a dollar. I remember it being in the mid 30s and the occasional "gas war" where stations would duke it out for customers with the price getting down to 10 cents.

However, that $1 then would be $5.79 now, so gas is actually cheaper.

141

But it's not available here in the USA because

 

It doesn't fit our market, size, crashworthy, power, clean diesel US vs EU rules, etc.

142 no fucking shit
I am not old enough to remember 25 cent gas, but I do remember 89 cent gas

bahh makes me miss the 90's
Posted by: coughing chemjeff at February 26, 2011 08:43 PM

I pumped gas at my aunt's little store in the middle of nowhere NM in the early seventies.  The pumps didn't go above 50 cents, so when gas really started to go up, we had to charge by the half gallon.

143

damn sock

well with all this oil just waiting to get tapped, president-elect palin and her new husband NCjoe will make the united states great again in just a couple years

144 Ok, AOS bloggers, step right up....

From ABC News:

After playing such a pivotal role in the November elections, Tea Party activists vowed they would keep a close eye on Congress. They weren't kidding.

The Tea Party Patriots, one of the largest organizing groups of the movement, want to assign personal bloggers to track every member of Congress, not just the ones they supported.

The group will launch a recruitment drive this week coinciding with a weekend policy summit being held in Phoenix for state and local coordinators. Shelby Blakely, a stay-at-home mom from eastern Washington state who is organizing the project, said she has little doubt they will be able to round up enough people to tackle a job that she describes as "citizen journalism meets adopt-a-congressman."

"One of the strengths that the Tea Party has is we have a massive army," Blakely said. "We have millions of manpower hours and thousands of people willing to do heavy lifting."

There are already dozens of political and news websites that track the big picture of Congress. Hometown newspapers, TV stations and websites sometimes track individual members of Congress.

The Tea Party Patriots believe a centralized hub for member-by-member blogs would not only hold their Tea Party legislators accountable but would better highlight for voters how non-Tea Party legislators are voting in Washington.

Since bloggers for the Tea Party Patriots would be unpaid volunteers, they wouldn't need to worry about currying favor with legislators, said Tony Tarquinto, a financial adviser from Southern California who will likely blog about a member of the House Ways and Means Committee.

"The traditional media, they want to get close to the (representative) and get the skinny. That's not going to happen with the Tea Party," Tarquinto said. "We're not going to get invited to the Christmas party or get to know them socially.

While Tarquinto said that distance would allow for an objective, factual accounting of each member's performance, Democratic consultant Steve Elmendorf said such objectivity is unlikely since each Tea Party blogger would view each congressman's actions through the filter of the Tea Party principles. "They're trying to argue a point of view," said Elmendorf, who was an adviser to House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt.

145 don't these envirodouches realize that other countries don't give a rip about protecting Mother Gaia while they extact all that oil? At least if we were allowed to drill here it would be done a lot cleaner than say Russia does it.
Honey Badger just takes what he wants, he don't give a shit.

146 I think the lowest I ever paid was around 88 cents.  This would have been circa 1996 or so. 

147

Is oil still forming?

Given the theory of how it's formed, I'd say yes.

148 Environmentalpatients think that a bubble of clean air and unicorn herds will surround North America if we all just start living like pygmies.

149 I think the lowest I ever paid was around 88 cents.  This would have been circa 1996 or so.

I paid 80 cents a gallon in Chesterton IN in December 1998.  I remember this because I found the receipt when I sold the car in 2001, when gas was in the $1.80 range and people were freaking out (it was all George Bush's fault, as I recall).

150

i thought you rethugicants got gas for free since you are owned by BIG OIL!!!!!!!11

I LOVE YOU AND YOUR BOOB BELTS MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

151 It's both pathetic and very funny how often we hear about "peak oil."  Obviously, a lot of people have an interest in pushing this meme, just as the global moroning people do climate change.

152 So, oil has theoretically been forming for a long time.

We only really got busy extracting it a couple hundred years ago.

It has never stopped forming.


How come everybody thinks we gonna run out?

Sounds like a fuckin renewable natural resource to me.  Like pine trees and buckwheat.

153 Posted by: Nighthawk at February 26, 2011 08:50 PM (3kefp)

That is the "Breton Fisherman's Prayer". If you have ever been out to sea and look out over the ocean at night you will know how true it is.

154 But I'm simple. There may be sciency shit I don't know.

155 That is the "Breton Fisherman's Prayer". If you have ever been out to sea and look out over the ocean at night you will know how true it is. Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2011 08:58 PM (M9Ie6) I have, and I do. Thanks for the reference!

156 While Tarquinto said that distance would allow for an objective, factual accounting of each member's performance, Democratic consultant Steve Elmendorf said such objectivity is unlikely since each Tea Party blogger would view each congressman's actions through the filter of the Tea Party principles. "They're trying to argue a point of view," said Elmendorf, who was an adviser to House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt.

Posted by: Tami at February 26, 2011 08:52 PM (VuLos)

 

That's the point, asshole.  These demcrats are just so fucking smart.

157

155 How come everybody thinks we gonna run out?

http://tinyurl.com/25xmqhb

158

Speaking of gasoline, I've got a hankering for some whiskey. 

 

159

i thought you rethugicants got gas for free since you are owned by BIG OIL!!!!!!!11

We do, we''re just trying to help out the folks

160 I happen to work for a large independent in South Texas. Currently the hottest thing in the states is the Eagleford Shale. We just sold our interest in one county for an ungodly amount. Google that one.

161

@155

It takes millions of years to bury the sediments to sufficient depths to "cook" the oil.  It is a slow process, and the path that the oil takes to get to a reservoir where it is trapped is long and tortuous, and the driving force, the difference is density between oil and water, is slight.  Then we stick a straw into the reservoir and pump the oil out as fast as we can. 

We have been drilling wells for oil since 1849 (the Drake well in Titusville PA).  Since then we have drilled a lot of wells, in places we never dreamed of drilling before. 

So, yes, it is renewable, but not as fast as we are using it.

By the way, we produce between 15 and 50 percent of the oil that is originally in place. YMMV.  There is more oil left behind than is produced.  It just cannot be produced economically beyond that point.  Lots of research dollars are spent chasing that "resource".

162 161 Speaking of gasoline, I've got a hankering for some whiskey. Posted by: Delta Smelt at February 26, 2011 09:02 PM (dWPyO) "What gasoline does for the car, Ratzeputz does for the body!" Old marketing slogan, and I swear I have no idea WHY I just remembered it.

163 @164 Absolutely correct. Technology has also progressed where one can go back in to wells and capture more than the original 50%. Subsequent operations just cost more, and therefore in times of cheap oil (early 90s) it just isn't feasible to recover. Thus a lot of wells got plugged even though they knew there was a lot of oil left. But now with 100$ oil....

164 Interestingly, I have more gas than ever before.

165 First time I filled my tank it was 16 cents a gallon.

166 First time I filled my tank it was 16 cents a gallon.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 26, 2011 09:26 PM (H+LJc)

You forgot to say 'get off my lawn'.

167 I think texas jew said that abiogenic theory was bs.

168 ""First time I filled my tank it was 16 cents a gallon.""

I can't even process that. Was that in the 50's?

169

Ahh, but then I forgot about the SUFR - Strategic Unicorn Fart Reserve.

--------------------

That's Strategic Unicorn RAINBOW Fart Reserve. SURFR, dude!

170 Oh Noes! The U. S. must stop raping Gaia!

171 Suck it bitches....


Just try to drill.

172 Here is a funny thing.  I got interested in Shale, cuz I didn't know what the hell it was, and syngas when I was about 13, I couldn't have been much older, it was a movie about a bunch of Vampire bats flying out of a cave in such volume they are killing cattle and people.

And then (I think) lou diamond phillips goes into the cave of his indian ancestors and sets it on fire.

That's the movie.

but after that (I know it was pre-95 because I have particular historical benchmarks that let me know an approximate timeline) I was curious as to if oil from shale was true.  I learned that it was, hell, it's a concept that goes back almost 100 years now.  Later, I was curious about syngas made from dirty oil (which is really all that coal and shale are) and If LauraW remembers, she might validate it, I became rather well informed on it, for a curious amateur.  (It was the first ever "tip" I sent her.)

Tapping into shale, Is, to quote "sherrif joe," A big fucking deal.  We could surpass SA if our efficiency is even remotely valid.

173 nice work.plz keep it away.happy new year.

174 I saw a story in the Terre Haute paper just yesterday about a new oil gusher in Vigo County here in Indiana. They think this will produce about a thousand barrels a day. It is part of an effort by a farm co-op to find new energy supplies...this started in 2008 and they have already drilled several wells in the area. They did say their break even for this area was $50 a barrel..but we are well beyond that now.

I was surprised. I am from Oklahoma and I grew up around wells. My Dad was a roughneck many years and later went to work for an oil tool company, but somehow I did not expect to see oil wells being drilled in southwestern Indiana.

175 The Middle East will not have peace until there isn't a drop of oil left.

The US is trying to achieve peace in the Middle East by sucking it dry so it will be as barren as the deserts of the region.

Only then will they allow US reserves to be tapped.

176

Somewhere, Al Gore is rolling over in his grave.

Oh, wait ... he's not dead yet.

Well, he'll have a heart attack when he hears about it!

177

The problem is they have an over active case of self importance, as if the planet actually gives a shit about them. Then there is their sheer arrogance to even think they can control the planet. _________________________________________________________________

I hate how they alweays claim to speak for the planet, as if they alone know what the planet would say.  What if it said, drill me,baby !  I'm hot and bothered and want my second chakra released. Oh wait...that was AlGore.

178 It's such a shame that we have such a wealth of various energy resources right here in our own country. There is no need for the USA to be dependent on other countries that already have such hold on our economy. It is pure stupidity that this administration is purposefully cutting us off from our own supplies, from which supplies we could generate a wealth of energy AND good paying private sector jobs. As for me, I am still praying that the judge handling the gulf permit moratorium madness will lay another smackdown on the energy department.

179 Stupid eco-wackos always telling us the earth is fragile ITS A LOAD OF BULL KAKA