1 Forget Perry, it's time to get behind Cain.

2 One of the reasons is that in those eight weeks, he has largely allowed himself to be categorized and boxed in by his opponents;

No he hasn't. Week-kneed squishes who purport to be Republicans have allowed the MFM and his opponents to categorize him. But mostly this is due to a very few but very vocal "bots" of dubious quality and dubious candidate support.

3 Cain lives in Atlanta. Atlanta had slavery. Cain's endorsement of slavery is insensitive.

4 Where's the cowbell?

5 The base isn't excited about Cain's 999 plan as much as you think, since it calls for a whole new added tax on consumption (national sales tax). Adjusting personal and corporate taxes downward is a great idea, assuming Federal Spending is gutted. But I don't see the first two 9's making it thru Congress.

Adding a national sales tax doesn't get my part of the base rolling.

But, Cain has a plan and is pushing it. Perry is not pushing a plan of any type, which explains his supporters like me getting agitated.

6 I'm still with Perry, but this post is 100% right.

I've seen Perry get those budget cuts, even hard ones.  I've seen him run his government like an honorable man for the most part, which is saying a lot given how long he's done it.  Not a racist bone in his body.  He's a squish on 10% of issues.  That's actually pretty good, if you think about the long record he's got.  Some of these other candidates are simply unrevealed squishes.

Perry needs to lay out his plan, and he needs to hit Romney with everything he's got.  He can hit Obama too, but let's face it: in today's GOP, bashing Obama is extremely easy to do.  It's important to do, but it's not as helpful as bashing Romney.

7 $17million, with more than 50% of donors living outside of Texas

Money talks. Since Sunday, did N-head slow or stimulate Perry's GOP fundraising?

8 So far, Perry has seemed like the dumb jock running for student council. Likable enough but nobody takes him seriously

9 At this point, I think Perry's biggest problem is two-fold: he is under attack by the MFM (naturally, as he's not Osama Obama), and in our own little world he's under attack by everyone who has a preferred candidate (mainly by those who have a preferred NON-candidate).

It's not just Perry, but any thread about him or Cain (especially at Tepid Air, where the Palinoids and their responses are predictable and easily identifiable) is filled with snark, supposition, innuendo and outright lies, all meant to make the posters' particular savior look good by comparison.

So an slip-up or misinterpretation of Perry's beliefs and history brings out the "OMG, forget him! He's dead to me...." comments. Trolls feeding trolls.

I'd like to hear what the man has to say without all the background noise, thank you. We're all going to have to vote for someone, and that someone isn't likely to be 100% acceptable. So the next-best-thing choice needs to be clearly understood for what he is, has done and will do.

Right now, my preference is Cain, followed by Perry. Mutt Romney and The Newt are out of it, though I will support them if they are chosen to run against the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Ron Paul (RON PAUL!!11!!!) would make me consider moving to, say, Tahiti.

I'm severely pissed off by the uber-partisans who tear down all candidates not named Palin, Romney or Paul....

10 @Dick Nixon

I completely agree with you. Cain's plan is flawed. But it's a plan! I'd have expected Perry to roll out a national economic/tax reform plan within a month of jumping in, it's obviously his best asset and the area where he has the strongest record... but no signs that's coming our way even now, when he's in need of a boost.

11 I think this is a good analysis.  A good portion of Bush's two victories were his ground game.

Bush made a personal connection with a lot of GOP voters and got lots of volunteers.  Loyal ones.  These eventually ended up being the people who stopped the attempted cheating in the counting in Florida and stood outside the VP residence in DC.

I always said that unnerved the democrats because they weren't used to seeing lady demonstrators in matching shoes and handbags.

Can Perry get that level of volunteerism and lyalty?  He will shortly be competing for grassroots volunteers with Palin,  I think.  This will be a good test of his skills.

Thanks for the analysis,  Guest Blogger!

12 (according to a TPPF analysis roughly 90% of the national media stories about Texas since Perry entered the race which are not about Perry have been negative)

That pretty well knocks out Perry's propaganda effort to convince Texas tax payers that our funding his potus campaign travels and his book tour is spending public funds to successfully promote Texas.

13   #12 That's right. Two days and running.
[Domenech]

14 I watched an hour+ interview of Romney with the New Hampshire Union Leader people on C-SPAN a couple of days ago.  He has an impressive command of statistics regarding national defense, budget,  etc.

However,  there were some vague statements that left me feeling he was dodging.

And he just doesn't seem to have fire. 

I wil vote for whoever wins the nomination,  since any one of these people would be better.  I am hoping Perry does the same type of interview,  because I think he would benefit from a long discussion of policy rather than the sound bites we get in these debates.

15 Well I guess that's a nice first article of the day. The questions asked do not address what is stopping Perry from running away with this. He has the looks and the Resume' (Yes, looks are important, this is America). Perry's problem is he stands up on stage and debates like the special needs child with Tourettes forced upon the H.S. debate team. I know he is busy with the fires and running the state and stuff, but he shows up unprepared and looks like a bumbling idiot. That's why his poll numbers dropped. If he don't give a shit about preparing, He don't give a shit about winning.

16 Darn the sock

17 Perry IS another Fred Thompson, big build up for a big let down (*fizzle*). It's back to Romney. In case no one has noticed, he's been in this for the long haul.

18 Perry ain't Teh Fred.
But Romney is still Romney.
"Promise them anything. Just get their votes!"

19 I think we should refer to Romney supporters as 25%rs. At the end of the day, that's all the GOP vote he's gonna get.

20 With regard to the "rock" non-troversy. Anyone pushing that rock as an issue is either a brainless idiot, part of the MFM, a Democrat concern troll, or a rabid supporter of a non-candidate who uses Democrat troll tactics.

21 Perry's problem here is not his positions on illegal immigration. Gardesil or anything else.  His problem is the question left in voter's minds, if this man has the intellectual and strategic capacity to run the greatest nation on Earth, WHY wasn't he ready for any of this, WHY does he seem to fade so badly in the second half of debates and lose mental focus, WHY can't he put a clear and coherent message together?

America is just concerned Perry doesn't have the mental acumen for the job.

22 wow.....john e.'s video has a link at breitbart! very cool!

23 New Perry war thread up.

In '08 Romnibots cried "bigot" at every criticism lodged against his record.

It's not any more amusing listening to Perrynots whine when his record infringing on constitutional rights is the matter.

Vic, take it easy this morning and stay on the mend.

24

 I think we should refer to Romney supporters as 25%rs. At the end of the day, that's all the GOP vote he's gonna get

Even if he's the nominee?

 

25

Anyone pushing that rock as an issue is either a brainless idiot, part of the MFM, a Democrat concern troll, or a rabid supporter of a non-candidate who uses Democrat troll tactics.

Well I guess Herman Cain is all of the above because he's the only one that bit on it.

 

26 Once again I am showing you brainless idiots in fly-over country who your candidate should be. I am so glad that a lot of you are still listening to me. McCain was disappointing but that was a fluke, trust me Romney will do better. He will garner that all-important independent vote and turn blue States red.

Just trust me one more time.

27 "I'm severely pissed off by the uber-partisans who tear down all candidates not named Palin, Romney or Paul...." Oh, you mean like what you do to all candidates not named Perry?

28 I think Perry is getting his welcome to the NFL moment. He isn't done by a long shot as his fund raising shows. But he needs to prep better. I don't think his debates are quite special needs with Tourettes but they are underwhelming. I have been saying he needs to make his story bigger than Texas because now every story about Texas is that it is a hellhole. Tell me what you plan to do (and undo!) and find a graceful way to sidestep all the gardasil type gotchas.

29 Well I guess Herman Cain is all of the above because he's the only one that bit on it.

Not true. Cain has since walked it back. Meanwhile Romney jumped on it and we have some "bots" on here pushing it has well.

30 Out of the bunch, Perry still has my support.  Ten years as governor of the most important republican state in the union.  And the Washington Post rock throwing just makes me dig my spurs in deeper.

31 25, My point is, he won't be the Nominee with 25%. I vote ABO even if it's (insert your personal worst case senario here).

32 Romney is a younger Arlen Specter. Do you really want him in office? I don't want a weak kneed opportunist RINO in office for four years to wreck what's left of the Republican Party and alienate the general public. The last thing we need is four more years of crap with a new guy in office that sets up the country for an even bigger shit-show in 2016. We need someone that can lead and fix problems, not extend Obama's DEMpression for an entire decade.

33

Not true. Cain has since walked it back. Meanwhile Romney jumped on it and we have some "bots" on here pushing it has well.

Vic, Cain should have known better than to bite in the first place, and bite he did.

I love what Cain says about policy.

His potential for Bidenesque gaffes makes me wonder what he really thinks.

34 Cain needs to learn not to play the MFM game. The rock thing and a Sarah Palin thing Cain has bitten on some newsie saying hey what do you have to say about this terrible Republican? He gives them their soundbite. I would say it's amateur but there are plenty of professional Republicans who do the same thing.

35 " we have some "bots" on here pushing it has well." Name one.

36 His potential for Bidenesque gaffes makes me wonder what he really thinks.

He does like to step on his dick when talking to that asshole Wallace.

37

Well I guess Herman Cain is all of the above because he's the only one that bit on it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 05, 2011 08:12 AM

Gotta disagree slightly. Cain didn't "bite on it." He was asked about it, gave an honest and not particularly contentious answer, and was subsequently pilloried for it.

If no one asked the other candidates, is that The Hermanator's fault? I think not. No one seems to want to ask them anything...Cain is more forthright and therefore a better sound-bite.

Hell, Palin didn't even post anything about "the rock" on Facebook.

38

My point is, he won't be the Nominee with 25%. I vote ABO even if it's (insert your personal worst case senario here).

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 05, 2011 08:16 AM (ZDUD4)

I'm with you there. 

I'd vote Dennis Kucinich before I'd vote Obama.

Besides, his wife is smokin' hot.

39 Name one.

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at October 05, 2011 08:18 AM (mLbhb)

Go back and review yesterday's flame war on this subject. It showed up several times.

40

He was asked about it, gave an honest and not particularly contentious answer, and was subsequently pilloried for it.

To me, that's a bite.

The better answer was, "I'm not here to talk about what Governor Perry's family may or may not have done 20 years ago.  I'm here to talk about the economy.  Got a question on the economy?"

 

41

Plan? ....A good philosophy is more important than a rigid plan.

"I would like to see Washington DC be as inconsequential in our lives as possible."

I've heard Perry say this on business channels for a long time. ....Since he started running, he has changed it to "I would like to make Washington DC as inconsequential...".

Cain's 999 plan is typical of the sort of  'plan' that comes out a corporate meeting held to 'come up with a plan'.....whereupon said corporation spends a year and millions of dollars trying to make said plan work, then finally concludes that said plan didn't account for all determining factors and must be revised into a 'new plan'.

Making Washington inconsequential in our lives is a pretty damn good goal if you ask me. ....Getting Fedzilla off our backs and out of our face would get the economy rolling again, instead of spinning its wheels in 1st gear.

 

42 Cain did indeed bite on it. He's a talker, he's been doing radio for a while and he is used to talking. He needs to learn that sometimes the best answer is to say nothing. Saying if what you say is true as a preface will get edited out. He needs to say he hasn't heard of it so can't comment.

43 39, Oh hell yeah, I listen to Dennis and think, what a freaking idiot, then I see her and think, well, maybe he's not that stupid. She is spectacular.

44

6 The base isn't excited about Cain's 999 plan as much as you think, since it calls for a whole new added tax on consumption (national sales tax).

 

Yeah, 9-/9/-9 is a wonderful idea, if you want to pay 35 Percent Income Taxes AND a 15 percent National Sales Tax twenty years from now.

45

44  She is spectacular.

She is spectacular.

But are they real?

46 Hell, Palin didn't even post anything about "the rock" on Facebook. Posted by: MrScribbler at October 05, 2011 08:19 AM That crazy Sarah Palin. She should have fired off a facebook post so she could look like a gullible idiot, like everybody else.

47 My interpretation of what he actually said was that he did bite on it and he did smear Perry with it, but it wasn't a hard smear like the Bachmann Gardacil thing. And afterwards he did walk it back.

And speaking of her, given that her support has dropped below the rent's too guy and she is collecting zero money I expect her to drop out soon.

But, as one of the talking heads at NRO said, she can always survive off of the "debates" because they are free.

48

Speaking of primaries NH talking Dec of this year now.

49

And speaking of her, given that her support has dropped below the rent's too guy and she is collecting zero money I expect her to drop out soon.

Roger that.  Which is a shame, because I really wanted to like her.  But she gave her opponents too much ammo.  She could have taken this run, even if it failed, to set herself up for a serious future in the party.  Now I think she has given off so much of "teh crazee" vibe that she's going nowhere in the future.

50

The better answer was, "I'm not here to talk about what Governor Perry's family may or may not have done 20 years ago.  I'm here to talk about the economy.  Got a question on the economy?" Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 05, 2011 08:21 AM

Agreed. But....

Too many of the comments -- both pro- and anti- any given candidate -- smell of Monday-morning quarterbacking. Yeah, we all know what Cain should have done. Ditto Perry, Christie, and even the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure his own ugly self. You can pick the exact ideal response, and so can I, simply because we're not in the trenches.

I've met a few successful types like Cain, and those that are genuine leaders do tend to pop out with a quick response to almost anything. The mediocre ones look at their PR handlers before answering. Sometimes the results aren't as intended, but there are results.

So yeah, Cain should have done that. He didn't. I can give him a pass, because he said something, and it was couched in declarative sentences, not evasions, half-truths and poll-tested "thoughts."

YMMV.

51 Anyone pushing that rock as an issue is either a brainless idiot, part of the MFM, a Democrat concern troll, or a rabid supporter of a non-candidate who uses Democrat troll tactics.

Sean Bannion at October 05, 2011 08:12 AM

Then include this website and everyone who commented, particularly those since Sunday bringing up the issue over and over as if it's an issue.

If it's not an issue, quit bringing it up.

If it shouldn't affect Perry, where's the justification for smearing Cain?

If Perry supporters grant themselves the right to express righteous indignation about "it",  then all the more right to express be given Cain.

Drop it.

52

Plans are for homos.

 

Repeal Obamacare.  Choke the EPA like a bitch.  Get the federal government off our backs.

53

In answer to the questions, I believe:

1. No, he doesn't.  Let's set aside his constant digging with illegal immigration. (And really, he's getting beat up on his most defensible point.  His other statements and actions would just get him hammered more.)  His Social Security statement was red meat that represented what he will look like if he continues making statments like that.  Of course SS is fatally flawed and therer need to be changes.  But, just calling it a Ponzi scheme and announcing it has to go is politically stupid.  One has to make very clear that you aren't going to toss granny to the curb, and you want a viable retirement system for younger workers. 

Without getting into the Gardasil and immigration details, his actions in both cases show a Bush trait that most conservatives are very uncomfortable with.

2. Texas is really a liability now.  We've had two recent presidents from the state and a lot of conservatives who really wish Texans would just shut up.  There's a "Texas is different" attitude that leads to the rejoinder, "Okay, Texas is different and you don't understand the rest of the country."  I doubt Perry can distance himself enough to get rid of that taint.  He's been governor too long and came out of the gate with the ridiculous Texas swagger.

3.  No sure about this one. 

54

So yeah, Cain should have done that. He didn't. I can give him a pass, because he said something, and it was couched in declarative sentences, not evasions, half-truths and poll-tested "thoughts."

Well, like Bachmann, how long are we going to go watching the gaffes pile up?  I guess that's my real issue with him right now.  I'm not anti-Cain, I'm just cautious. 

Besides, yesterday he flip-flopped on the al-Awlaki killing.

Frankly most of America doesn't care when a terrorist, American or not, buys the farm.  In May Cain was against targeting him.  Today after a successful strike he's all for it.

Please Herman, don't turn into Mittens.

55

We can argue about it until the cows come home, but the bottom line is: it'll pretty much be all over for Perry if he has another debate performance like last time around.  I say that out of Love... I'd love to see him be the nominee, or at least the "him" I thought he was.

WTF happened to the Brilliant Debater we heard so much about??  I don't get it.

 

56 WTF happened to the Brilliant Debater we heard so much about?? I don't get it. Posted by: CoolCzech at October 05, 2011 08:33 AM I'm with you CC. I think it's much easier to be a great debater when you are debating something you know a lot about. In Perry's case, that would be Texas.

57 Please, dear God, no!

58

Please Herman, don't turn into Mittens.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 05, 2011 08:33 AM

Don't think I'm picking on you, K? It's simply that I disagree while accepting that your points are rational.

You/I/we are looking at the candidates under a microscope. Unless you are serious about parsing his every word and drawing distinctions for the sake of drawing distinctions, things like the al-Awlaki quotes aren't really that different. You have to think in context, and Cain's previous statement was made while the dude was still alive. He would be pilloried for having said "yeah, we oughtta bust a missile in his ass."

I can't imagine Cain turning into a dark-hued Mutt Romney. More likely, he'll go right on pissing off the concern trolls and other candidates' supporters while being forthright. I like that about him.

59 Perry's down in the polls not because of being unprepared but because he doubled down on giving illegals equivalent benefits of citizens and then pointed his finger at those who think this is unwise and said we "don't have a heart".

He also dropped a bombshell on folks about SS without ANY counter proposal (even in rough draft) to ease folks mind on what he would do about SS. He still hasn't articulated any plans on jobs, entitlement reform and has refused to retract his heartless comments.

He's weak as a national candidate and his ego won't let him back off.

I'm not interested in a Bush 2.0 or Democrat Lite.

If he's the candidate when the dust clears then I'll vote for him but I want someone who's going to actually back off from the direction we're headed.

No amnesty, build the fence. Change SS and plan for phase out to something else; either privatize or investment leaving those on retirement as they are.

And stop getting upset when conservatives criticize and ignore the liberal Media.

Oh and quit participating in liberal media debates.

60 ..so now we have rules as to what is discussed here? really?

61 Lady Guinevere is going to run. Nobody wants another RINO.

62

I like suing the EPA to force them to back down.  Liberals hate that.

I like Voter ID.  Democrats hate it.

I like Loser Pays.  Trial lawyers hate it.

Those aren't "plans", they're actions that come from vision, which is choke down the size and scope of government.

Plans are nice words about things that don't happen.

63

More likely, he'll go right on pissing off the concern trolls and other candidates' supporters while being forthright. I like that about him.

Prolly right.

I know there's something good about Cain when my wife - a former California hippie chick - loves everything he says.

Me?  I'm more like Eeyore.

64

I'm surprised that Cain's handling of the rock pissed me off as much as it did. He HAS got to know that every libtard in the nation is fomenting questions for him that are intended to make him either douche on the republicans or white people or make himself look like an oreo.

He should have laughed at the tale and said, "You're kidding me that anyone is even talking about this right? Stupid people are destroying america and you guys want to talk about a rock in the woods in 1983? No wonder we are in danger."

65 The better answer was, "I'm not here to talk about what Governor Perry's family may or may not have done 20 years ago.  I'm here to talk about the economy.  Got a question on the economy?"

This! And he shouldn't need to be told so. He should recognize 'gotcha' questions when they come at him.

66 BTW, if Cain laughs at stuff like the rock thing and makes the racemongers look stupid it'll go a long way in disarming the Obama/Sheila Jackson Lee/Maxine Waters/Charlie Rangle et al crowd.

67

54.....the ridiculous Texas swagger.

Compared to what? ....Northeastern elitist superiority? Or Chicago thuggery? Or West Coast snootery? .....Or insufferable ivy league foppery? 

Texas has earned the right to deploy some swagger. ...I am not from Texas, but I think that state has paid it's dues.

68 Perry had the right line of attack against Romney; he just fell asleep while he was using it. Keep reminding voters that Romney is a shameless liar who constantly changes his position to the mood of the moment. He's gotten soft treatment till Perry entered the race. The conservative media is happy to let everyone assume he has been vetted, as if there are standards to enter the Republican primary. Romney is getting a pass and looking stronger for it, but he is a cowardly flim flam man. Point out what a failure Romneycare is and that he has no intention of repealing Obamacare. Attack his record in MA and dig into his record at Bain. Nothing hurts more than the truth, and for Romney that means he has ambition but no guts.

69 Please, dear God, no! Come on Sean, Why not? Give her a shot. Maybe you will remember why you liked her (if you did) when she was running for VP, before her libtard McCain appointed handlers FKD her over and the MSM did the biggest most thorough hit job ever on an American citizen. Let's just hear what the Woman has to say, without the filters. I love her. But she could easily FK up in my eyes too. I put America first, so do many of those that want to give her a chance. Give her a chance Sean. you can do it!

70

Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 08:45 AM (9mW6H)

Concur.  If Cain had Newt's sensibility about that kind of stuff, he'd go far.

71 BTW, if Cain laughs at stuff like the rock thing That horse has left the barn and checked into a Holiday Inn Express.

72 So yeah, Cain should have done that. He didn't.

Shoulda Woulda Coulda, pfft.

I can give him a pass, because he said something, and it was couched in declarative sentences, not evasions, half-truths and poll-tested "thoughts."

Furthermore, if "deserve" ever had merit, this particular offense wasn't something Cain should have evaded. History happened, and everyone's getting over it. That's not to say a black politician should be required by Republican PC to blink, turn the other cheek and stfu regarding the posting of N-head. Had the n-word been instead an antisemitic slur during the 1980s, "No Jews Allowed" for instance, would a Jewish candidate be given a quicker pass for responding with an immediate rebuke? Would Republicans bear down on such a Jewish candidate for calling that insensitive?

If Perry supporters are going to accept Perry's follow-up after an unpleasantry was exposed from his family's past, then all the more, accept Cain's follow-up as well.

73 If Cain had Newt's sensibility about that kind of stuff, he'd go far. Newt hasn't had his shot yet. None of these anklebiters has a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but they will wield the axe for Romney just in case. That includes Newt.

74 Oh, and Palin's day old bread. I'll take if I have to but the flavor's gone, it's hard and slightly moldy but it's better than nothing.

She's waited too long and frankly I don't think she'll run. It's all been a gotcha game to get back at the MFM while trolling for dollars. That's why FOX didn't make her quit as she has already informed them she's not running. (she told only top people which is why the secret's been kept.)

Sure she's helped some candidates and thrown some firebombs at barry but in the long run has she been a game changer? I don't think so.

When we needed her about 1-2 months ago she was still playing the coquette. She's worn out the welcome and think about it, she hasn't written anything to inspire anybody and taken no shots at the Administration though there's plenty of topics to choose from.

75 WHY wasn't he ready for any of this, WHY does he seem to fade so badly in the second half of debates and lose mental focus, WHY can't he put a clear and coherent message together? Could this be related to his back surgery? Standing for that long might be hurting him a lot. Plus, he might be focusing all his mental energy on not whipping out the warcock and decapitating Hussyman.

76 If Perry supporters are going to accept Perry's follow-up after an unpleasantry was exposed from his family's past, then all the more, accept Cain's follow-up as well.

The only followup Perry should havehad for the WP post was "take that stupid rock and shove it up your lying ass".

That would have been the Texas thing to do.

77 Mittens has a stench. 2008. Fuck him and that illegal alien magnet Mass Of Two Shits. Anybody But SCOAMF 2012!

78

But she could easily FK up in my eyes too.

OSP, to me, she already did.  That's why.

The rap on her was that she wasn't serious.

She hasn't done anything in 3 years to dispel that notion with the bulk of the electorate.  Reality TV de facto proves that you are not serious.

I'm not talking politics junkies like us, we know what she'd be like in office with a relatively high degree of certainty. 

I'm talking about the people who tune in to an election 60 days out.  They don't know her.  They still think she's a dim bulb and they're not going to vote for her.  National elections are won in the middle of the ideology scale.  They're not won in party primaries.

79

69 +100 God, I'm sick of the antisouth bigots

If Perry supporters grant themselves the right to express righteous indignation about "it", then all the more right to express be given Cain.
Drop it.

Excuse me?

There's a big fucking difference between being annoyed at a stupid question and being annoyed at someone for falling for a stupid question. In the first case the questioner is stupid in the second case the questionee is stupid. This controversy doesn't reflect badly on Perry but it does on Cain.

I love Cain. I would love to see him beat Obama. I don't like the race card and I want him to be above it.

80 came out of the gate with the ridiculous Texas swagger.

I scoffed at my gay brother ridiculing Perry's swagger.
/Gays never pride themselves on swagger./

81 He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see.

82 Tim the Enchanter at October 05, 2011 08:50 AM There is another way to look at it. Maybe she was too smart to join the circular firing squad. If conservatives were pleased over what is being offered, there would have not been the Hoo Hah over Fat Mitt.

83 History happened, and everyone's getting over it. Cain has a funny notion of history. True, he grew up in the segregated South, and he has an interesting bio. But then you would think he would understand why the 1964 Civil Rights Act and Voting Act meant such a big deal to black Americans. Strange that he called their gratitude being "brainwashed." It's insulting, but no one has made a stink about it. Just raised eyebrows. Then he attacks Perry about a rock on property his family leased -- a rock that the Perry family painted and rolled over. Was it a racially insensitive slur? It was a carpentry term that later became outdated.

84 OT: Cain was on Red-Eye last night...did you guys post the video?  Am I late to this?  Good interview I thought.  He's got a sense of humor.

85

If Perry supporters are going to accept Perry's follow-up after an unpleasantry was exposed from his family's past, then all the more, accept Cain's follow-up as well.


WTF.

Perry's "family" didn't do anything wrong. Driving past a rock does not incur sin. Hunting in an area that has a rock near the road with a *word* on it does not incur sin. Nobody seems to grasp this anymore but it's a WORD it's not a violent crime, it's not a magic spell, it's not an evil curse, it's not a deadly disease, it's a word. I'm so sick of people fainting dead away at the mere hint of a word I cold puke. We can say and write fuck fuck fuck all over the place but one mention of a word we can't even write down and people are fainting dead away? Give me a break. Who the fuck did this?

Yeah, and Cain should not have taken the bait and even when correcting he's still not seeing the ridiculousness.

86 the national media are idiots for not paying attention to literally anything youÂ’ve done or said on policy for ten-plus years

A good way to correct this error would be to start talking about probable Texas Senator and king of the RINOs David Dewhurst now.

87 I just don't get how so many people can be swayed by Herman Cain.  Even without the stupid rock story.  Cain is a _complete and utter rookie_.  Never won any election in his life.  Even Obama had more experience before 2008, and we all called him unprepared and unfit.  The job is too important and the stakes are too high to turn it over to the rookie squad.

88 This controversy doesn't reflect badly on Perry but it does on Cain. I wonder how many Huckabee supporters Cain picked up, because they like this nasty side of him judging by the recent polls.

89 Who will be in the next debate?  Will it include Huntman and Johnson? 
BTW, I sincerely believe that Perry will pleasantly surprise us all in the next debate.  He may have been over confident in the first, and unprepared in the second, but I know that I perform best when I really need to, and I think he will, too.  He would not have gotten where he is otherwise.  Romney, on the other hand, will continue to expose himself as Romney.

90

But then you would think he would understand why the 1964 Civil Rights Act and Voting Act meant such a big deal to black Americans.

Huh? If they were/are grateful why are they voting democrat? The republicans passed those bills and the democrats fought them?

How bizarre.

 

91 The correct response to the N-head question is;

Is that a new rap group?

92 Excuse me? Posted by: dagny at October 05, 2011 08:51

There it is. "Annoyed." No, N-head isn't simply an annoying confrontation to any black American.

This controversy doesn't reflect badly on Perry but it does on Cain.

You have no "fucking" "stupid" excuse for that.

93 Sean Bannion at October 05, 2011 08:51 AM Her show was a tourist commercial for Alaska and Alaskans. She showcased places I didn't know exsisted and profiled some really intresting people. I watched every episode and I didn't see anything wrong with it. People felt the same way about Ronald Reagan (god I never wanted to use that reference). All it takes is one "I PAID FOR THIS MICROPHONE" moment and things change.

94 Time to go

95 Plans are for homos That's what I'm talking about. Bring this bitch up to ramming speed and get the fucking whiners belowdecks. We already know what needs to be done. We just need someone with the balls to say, "This is what's going to happen." So far, doesn't look like we have one of those.

96

Even Obama had more experience before 2008, and we all called him unprepared and unfit.

Posted by: chemjeff at October 05, 2011 08:58 AM (czcue)

Sorry, don't agree there. 

Obama had no executive experience.  None.  That means he has never been in a position where he was accountable for his actions.  Cain has been

You're right about one thing, Cain is a political rookie.  To me, that's actually a selling point.  Obama was a political veteran.  We got a politician when Obama was elected.  How's that working out?

97 '
Oldsailor; I've though of a thousand reasons why she stayed out.

I was one who thought her resignation as Governor was clever move when so many thought otherwise.

She lambasted Barry with Facebook comments.

Then this year we get this "maybe I will maybe I won't" and then deadlines that aren't. It's moved twice that I know of and no reasons given.

What she HAS done is promoted the hell out of her show, her books, her tour and then a DVD.

Plus I think the giveaway is that Fox hasn't fired her as being a candidate. If they thought she was going to be a candidate they'd drop her like bowling ball. Hasn't happened. They know she's not going to run and probably never was going to run.

I think the quality of her endorsement has even been damaged. I think she's going to put it off to November. If she does then she's not going to run.

98 Not even that he's a rookie. Under closer examination, he is no more conservative than Christie. He has no record, but he's had a vocal public life. Cain doesn't support auditing the Fed, he likes bailouts, he one-upped Ron Paul on Al-Awlicki, he's pro-choice, etc.

99 Why are there no pictures of this rock if it is so important?  Pictures from 1983 and now?  Surely if it is such a huge deal there would be photographic evidence of the shameful thing.

100

All it takes is one "I PAID FOR THIS MICROPHONE" moment and things change.

When I actually see one then I might become a fanboy.

For now, not so much.  Her ship has sailed.

101 I wish there were some way we could drive the point home that business experience and government experience are two different things, and America doesn't need a CEO or hedge fund manager. It's only Republicans that fall for this tripe, and it's annoying. How do you make government profitable? The ways you do that in business would be inhumane, and the only reason it's legal is because of the free market. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Not possible when the federal government is involved. Romney or Cain would be a nightmare for those reasons.

102

Cain speaks well, but there's something about him that I just don't fully trust.  He seems to want to play to who he's talking to.  He should have NEVER bit on the racist rock story.  That was pure stupid and reflected an inner readiness to throw down a race card if need be.  We don't need any more of that.  He could have been smart and used the question as a platform to say he would be a race united, not divider.  We're long past tired of the racist card being thown at us just to try to score political points.  Much like the movie War Games - the only way to win is not to play.  Bad, bad move Herman.  Also, there's just something about him that leads me to believe he would be taken to the cleaners by the Putins of the world.  I may be wrong, but I see him as someone who needs to be liked and admired.  That is not a good quality for President.

Romney is the epitomy of a slimy, say anything to get votes politician.  I do not trust him.  He has demonstrated his ability to flip-flop on major issues, then lie about it.  He is worse than McCain in my opinion.  Also, I believe Romney would destroy the Tea Party by totally demoralizing the movement.  There's been a lot of hard work and heavy lifting done over the past couple of years by the grass roots Tea Party.  It seems that we are effecting a change as evidenced by the 2010 elections.  It really takes the wind out of the sails to have the establishment right and the MFM once again choose our candidate for us.

That leaves Perry.  Yes, he has faults, but to me he seems real.  It's ironic that we ridicule the left for electing a smooth talker with no substance, while bashing Perry, a man of demostrated ability, for not being smooth and polished.  Think about it.

103 I have a theory about Perry's preparedness as he has entered the race.   As I understand it, many of Perry's campaign leaders came from Newt's campaign after defecting.  Remember before the defections, Newt was looking like a total fool and out of touch, but in the last couple of debates he comes across much better.  Now, enter Perry with that same bunch of campaign managers.  I think whoever these advisers may be part of Perry's problem.

104 You're right about one thing, Cain is a political rookie.  To me, that's actually a selling point.

Sorry, but that's a little crazy, especially when the stakes are so high.  It is like a sporting event, like football.  You have to know the formal rules of the game (i.e., how to get a first down), but then you also have to know the *real* rules of the game (i.e., how to read the defense to know when a blitz is coming).  Putting up Cain vs. Obama is like putting up the Springfield District 5 Highschool Football Team vs. the Packers.  We don't want any rookie team to go up against Obama's billion dollar professional squad.

105 Tim the Enchanter at October 05, 2011 09:01 AM She will be in or out before the middle of this month. I honestly believe she is being strategic. If she goes full on Brett Favre, I'll be a mad MFr.

106 There it is. "Annoyed." No, N-head isn't simply an annoying confrontation to any black American.

Posted by: didn't take long at October 05, 2011 09:00 AM (lpWVn)

Oh please black americans use the word constantly. The black teenage boys in my house every weekend use it to each other non-stop when they play video games, the white ones are allowed to do it too if they are all close enough friends. It's a lib meme that the mere mention of a "word" makes them  writhe in agony. The little black kids my son plays football with (he's the only white on the team) all use it to each other.

See, we live in the south and we actually have relationships, friendships, and associations with black people and don't just pretend to know everything there is to know about how they feel because some lib elite told us how it is.

This controversy doesn't reflect badly on Perry but it does on Cain.

You have no "fucking" "stupid" excuse for that.

What?

You make no sense.

Besides no one would know there used to be a rock in the woods in the early 80s with a magic evil word on it unless it were trying to be used to magically macaca Perry.

107 Cain stated yesterday on the Imus Show that he believes life begins at conception and he is pro-life. Yeah, so did Mitt. Are we just accepting everything they say at face value now? Look to Cain's previous presidential campaign, and he took a different tone.

108 110 LINKS?

109 Those politicians on our side who support working with the other side are giving R's a bad rep.  If you do not stand for something, you are good for nothing.

110

We don't want any rookie team to go up against Obama's billion dollar professional squad.
Posted by: chemjeff at October 05, 2011 09:07 AM (czcue)

What makes the team is exactly what you just said, "the professional squad."

It's the staffers that make the campaign.  Sure, the candidate ultimately bears responsibility for its conduct, but the staffers - to extend your analogy - do the scouting, the conditioning, the film analysis, etc.

Obama has some good campaign staffers.  I think if Cain were the nominee you'd see our bare-knuckles politico types come out of the woodwork to pitch in. 

Cain's personality at a gut level is also far, far, far more appealing than Obama's.  Obama is a thin-skinned, narcicisstic whiner.  Cain is a friendly, well-spoken "git er done" type.  I think voters respond better to the latter once they get to know him.

I can't believe I am defending Herman Cain.  LOL

111

83....There is another way to look at it. Maybe she was too smart to join the circular firing squad.

Oh please. ....The tease went on for too long. She obviously doesn't want the scrutiny of her own 'true conservative values' that she advocates for others.

She betrayed her true motives by crowing to Greta about how she was loving "shaping the debate" from the sidelines. ....."Thinking about it" afforded her a relevance that merely being a member of the media does not give her.

My biggest lament is the damage she has done.

Her Bus Tour which was not-a-campaign-tour opened the door for Obama to do the same thing....at our expense.

She was pleased with herself for attacking candidates [Perry] for their "Crony Capitalism".....a phrase that was coined by Soros-backed groups to demonize capitalism. .....This phrase, crony capitalism, is being used by those little anarchists that are sqwatting on Wall Street, and planning to spread their ilk to other cities. .....Is she proud of using that phrase now?

She cannot claim 'no harm no foul' from her long tease.....because there has been harm, and it is foul.

112 99) Right as opposed to the 'smoking' campaigns of Gingrich and Santorum, the former's brilliant strategy of attacking our point person on the budget. Or Bachmann who was on Fox, much more than any official contributor.

113

>>  He who would cross the Bridge of Death Must answer me These questions three Ere the other side he see.

 

HAH.  African or European?

 

Here's another interesting Perry fact, $17MM in seven weeks, not even a full 1st quarter.  And outta that he's got $15MM cash on hand.

 

 

 

 

114 Perry's headline for the day:

EXCLUSIVE: Republican White House hopeful Rick Perry raised over $17 million in 49 days, DRUDGE has learned. $347,000 per day; 20,000 unique donors from all 50 states, DC, Puerto Rico, and Guam. With more than half of donors living outside of Texas... Developing...

Obama's :

Sept Layoffs Highest in 2 Years...
115,730 job cuts last month, more than double August's 51,114..."

115 Anyone seen any stories about Obama's fundraising goals?

116 Last week Weasel Zipper blog had two stories on Mitt in his sidebar.  The first story was Mitt recently trying to convince people he is pro-life.  The second story was from a few years ago when he was trying to convince people he was pro-choice. 

117 118 Anyone seen any stories about Obama's fundraising goals?

Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2011 09:13 AM (WkuV6)

He raised eleventy billion dollars now SHUT UP racist!!!!

118 Obama should have his fundraising all sewn up. As explained by rush yesterday, Obama gave out stimulus money to people who will now donate to his campaign. Laundry done.

119 ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 05, 2011 09:12 Well I guess we will just have to disagree. BTW, who do you support?

120 Speaking of Obama and fund-raising, isn't the fact that Obama uses AF1 and has the taxpayer paying for his fund raising a LOT more important than a rock we have never even seen?

121 111 I'm looking for direct quotes, though I've seen this pointed out on various blogs.

122 I'm still a Perry supporter but he sucks in the debate format.  Watch any video of his townhalls and he's excellent.  Really connects with people...much better answers than in the debates.

I hate that they attack each other and much prefer Newt's approach...turn every question into a slam on Obama.  I wish more of them would do this.

I do like Cain....gaffs and all.  He's got a great personal story.  Perfect VP material at this point.

123 124 The man is an ordained Minister. I doubt he was ever pro choice.

124 Oh please black americans use the word constantly.

But not a candidate for potus.

Juveniles, black on black. Do your kids say it as well?

That you'd promote/accept its usage in your home is your business.

During the 1980s, it hadn't been ok to post/say the n-word for decades already. So eventually, the Perrys removed the offense at the gate BECAUSE it was insensitive and not PC. So that's that. No more, no less.

125 Jean 117. Yep, #8.

126

112.....who do you support?

Rick Perry. .....I thought I have made that clear.  I used to be a big supporter of Sarah Palin, but her actions in recent months have caused me to see her a lot more clearly.

127 *122 not 112

128 "58 Please, dear God, no!" Okay: No. If you click through to look at what this "story" is all about, there's no there there. The 'evidence' is that some lawyers, maybe only lawyer (singular), maybe only minions, or minion (singular) with the biggest law firm in the friggin' world, Baker Hostetler - which by the way has a platoon of lawyers assigned to be available for every single one of the current Republican presidential candidates as well as the ones just thinking about it (Okay, maybe not the gay guy.) - made some phone calls to find out about filing deadlines. Morons, this is what law firms DO: they check out legal issues. Moronoever, it's in the basic training manual for ANY campaign, existing or potential, to have this stuff checked out "confidentially" - which lawyers ensure by out-sourcing the job to ANOTHER firm, to protect the candidate or potential candidate. And bear in mind that even the CURRENT candidates are prudent to check out these deadlines, because they are different for each state, including quite dramatically different filing protocols, like registering withing districts within a state & with the local officers in charge of ordering ballots to be printed, since there are states where in some places they have voting machines & in other places they don't, & all manner of such differences. That, by the way, is my guess: that this is 'due diligence' on behalf of one or more existing candidates, maybe even using Baker Hostetler as a 'pool' available to them all, which is quite a common job for that huge law firm, particularly since they have the deepest of all deep pockets and so if they screw up, the least likely to go down in flames & the most likely to be able to arrange to fix the problem.

129 Time will tell on those questions ... in the meantime ... it is nice to have some money, cheddar, moulah ...

130

Back to the questions

1 - We thought so when he got in but 3 poor debate performances and shoot from the hip gaffes have made this questionable.  A good debate or 2 and more disciplined message should fix this

2 - Not yet.  As noted above saying "Look at Texas" doesn't work nationally.  also saying "Make DC inconsequential to your life" sounds great but falls flat when someone asks how and he can't answer the question.

3 - Florida straw poll would say no.  Fundraising numbers are a positive sign but if he keeps stumbling the fundraising and ability to draft supporters will dry up.

Bottom line - Perry is a like a highly touted rookie who has performred poorly in the first few games.  We will need a few more games to see if he recovers or goes into the bust category

131 I hope Perry will bring up baseline budgeting. Needs to be abolished. Forever.

132 It occurs to me that Romney could never have even tried to exploit this rock thing, if Cain hadn't come out with his criticism first. I'm starting to think Romney has spent a lot of the last 4 years figgering out how to game this thing.

133 OT:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 19% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24

134 130, I like Rick Perry too. But he had better wake the FK up or he will find himself having a beer with T-Paw talking about what might have been.

135 I hope you sent this to the campaign. I am horrified by how half-assed they've been doing things. I like Perry, but so far, he has shit (shat?) the bed.

136 139, Oh, he has a little group in his org that i'm sure does nothing but study these blogs. At least any candidate worth a poop would.

137 139 shat ... hahahaha priceless

138 #136 - so Romney ignores the story (or doesn't try to score point off of it like Cain did) and you ding him for it?  Recall in the first debate Romney didn't pile on the Gardisil thing like the other candidates.  Maybe Romney just knows how to run a decent campaign.

139 Interviewed by Michael Savage, we learned that Cain earned his BS in math/physics, and his Computer Science Master's from Purdue. It isn't as if Cain touts all of his achievements, and Savage noted Cain's personal humility. So evidently Cain is an ordained Baptist Minister (2002) years before considering entry to politics. He's served his community as associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, and is no stranger to leading the public in prayer. However, when asked regarding mixing religiosity into public political forums as some evangelical candidates are doing, that "smacked of candidates trying a little too hard."

140 142, Running a campaign is not his problem. It's the whole "Where do you stand on the issues" thing that seems to have him puzzled.

141 "75 She's waited too long and frankly I don't think she'll run." I thought that for a long time, simply because it became obvious she can't win, which was why she hasn't come in earlier, because her history of electoral success in AK suggests she's not dumb, at least not dumb about the election process. But now we're on the cusp of a kicker: If she does NOT file, she's done - her main source of appeal, being the POSSIBILITY that she MIGHT run, is gone. It's like being called in cards: you have to put up or shut up, & if you got all in & the cards dictate, you have to leave the table. I thought for a while about the possibility she'd run as an independent, but if she did that, even if she just teased that possibility, she'd be done like dinner with the Republican party forever. So now I'm thinking she very well MIGHT file, not because she thinks she could win, but so she can keep the thing going. I'm calling that 4:1 against, but that's hardly long odds.

142 Maybe Romney just knows how to run a decent campaign.

On that, yesterday's twitter highlighted that Romney's religion took until 1979 to permit blacks to hold their priesthood.

143 146, WOW, that's a big rock.

144 I DVRd Red Eye, think I'll go see what the Herm had to say. Later.

145

143.... So evidently Cain is an ordained Baptist Minister (2002) years before considering entry to politics.

Cain ran for president in 2000. ....And I think, not sure, but I think he ran for a senate seat somewhere back there.

146 Well, everything on the internets is true. As I said, Cain ran for office before. The internets weren't what they are now in 2000, but I assume he went on the record. So, I've contacted these bloggers for actual quotes, and these are conservative groups who say they take him at his word now but subtract points since he is a recent convert.

147 So now I'm thinking she very well MIGHT file, not because she thinks she could win, but so she can keep the thing going.

A contrast between the yin/yang Obama and Palin perpetual campaign mode?

Unless he pulls out, he's a candidate. Unless she jumps in, she's not.

148 Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 05, 2011 09:46 AM (sYyfh)

tell it to free republic

149 Yes, Cain ran for a US senate seat in GA and placed second in the primary in 2004.

150 150 I'd be surprised to find a potus candidate who'd never been involved in public service before, as if politics are limited to government. That a candidate would have been willing already to be a public servant in order to improve his community or state or nation is not a drawback.

151 Nice day to all.
Later.

152 hmmm

153 The difference between Cain and Romney is that if it is true Cain was pro-choice, and then switched, it would be a total of 1 such conversions. Huntsman has a good oppo team, and I imagine we'll hear more about Cain's flip flop's after NH before SC. He's happy to hang back and let Romney and company unload on Perry before IA, where a first place finish for Perry gives him momentum going into NH. Most likely everyone staking their campaign on IA is on the same page.

154 #146 - and the Catholic church doesn't allow women priests now.  Romney has flaws but going after him on his religiion is last ditch desperation moves

155 show me da money!

156 That a candidate would have been willing already to be a public servant in order to improve his community or state or nation is not a drawback. You have the Sarah Palin types who work their way up from PTA president to governor. Then there are those who make a little money and decide to run for POTUS. When they realize how expensive that is, they decide to try US Senate first. That's still expensive. But Cain sensed it might be "his time" since Republicans want to prove they're not racist for opposing the first black president.

157 When and where is the next debate?  Will it include Huntsman again?  If so, why?

158 161 will it include, santorum, bachman, paul, johnson? if so why?

159 Who is Huntsman ???

160 But not a candidate for potus.

Juveniles, black on black. Do your kids say it as well?

That you'd promote/accept its usage in your home is your business.

During the 1980s, it hadn't been ok to post/say the n-word for decades already. So eventually, the Perrys removed the offense at the gate BECAUSE it was insensitive and not PC. So that's that. No more, no less.

Posted by: didn't take long at October 05, 2011 09:22 AM (lpWVn)

What an ass you are. Yeah, I "promote" it in my home. How old are you? Do you have children over the age of 11? Do you know any black people? If you have children over 11 are they male or female? Heterosexual?

Perry did not say/use/defend it.

You are so off on a tangent about some word that had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the race baiting anti-south anti-republican media, it isn't even funny.

Examine your assumptions. Perry didn't DO anything wrong. Cain reacted poorly. Hopefully he will do better next time because he appears to have a very very short learning curve.

161 I like Perry and I think this post is spot on. It's unfortunate that so much is riding on his next debate performance. I wish he'd become more visible, come out with specific plans, etc. When I bring him up among my friends, the only thing I can refer to is his record in Texas. I'd like to be able to say what he'd do as president since heading up the federal behemoth will be different (and a lot harder).

162 Yeah, I know Huntsman is at barely 2% in national polls, but he is polling fourth in NH. RCP has him tied with Bachmann at 6.7%.

163

Look. all the cheerleaders er, um candidates have pointy elbows.  Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who in the pre-season debates.  This is supposed to be a happy occasion - namely getting the SCOAMF-in-Chief and his evil minions out of the White House, Executive Branch, Senate, and House.

And any more cracks about Texas and I'll become your worst Too Proud of Texas Guy Real Men of Genius sock spammer nightmare.

164 will it include, santorum, bachman, paul, johnson? if so why? Exactly.

165 Perry did not say/use/defend it. That's this nontroversy in a nutshell right there.

166

I don't know about Perry, but I have the heft to be President.

 

 

And Vice President.

167 1 Forget Perry, it's time to get behind Cain.

Posted by: McLovin at October 05, 2011 07:32 AM (j0IcY)

A vote for Cain is a vote for Romney. Cain is this cycle's Huckabee, the flash in the pan who sucks just enough oxygen to allow the establishment candidate to win a plurality. Cain cannot fundraise, is not interested in winning, has shown an instinct to join media attacks, has made stupid gaffes and is not willing to endorse whoever wins--that is a time-bomb waiting to go off.

168 Rick Perry has my vote.

169 Perry is finished. The MSM and his own inept performances on and off the debate stage did him in. On to the next.

170

Perry still has legs.  The election is 13 months away.  Unbunch your panties.

#173 On to the next whom, exactly?

171 http://is.gd/OMaQJL

I hope I did the tiny url right.  It should be a link to Gateway Pundit, who is reporting a GOP top fund raiser who says the GOP has "chosen" its candidate.  Romney.  I am disgusted with the GOP if this is true.

172 What does Romney stand for?

What does Perry stand for?

I don't know the answer to either one.  I don't like green eggs or ham.

173 I'm severely pissed off by the uber-partisans who tear down all candidates not named Palin, Romney or Paul....


^This


Excellent analysis, Domenech, whoever you are.

174 I'm severely pissed off by the uber-partisans who tear down all candidates not named Palin, Romney or Paul....

Dude, if you can't stand the heat now, wait til the Marxists get a hold of you in the general. 

175 I hope I did the tiny url right.  It should be a link to Gateway Pundit, who is reporting a GOP top fund raiser who says the GOP has "chosen" its candidate.  Romney.  I am disgusted with the GOP if this is true.




Fuck the establishment GOP.

It's time to teach them that they don't get to choose the candidate, we do.

Donate money directly to your candidate, not the RNC, for starters.

176 Donate money directly to your candidate, not the RNC, for starters.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at October 05, 2011 10:43 AM (pY3GI)

Yes, I'm shocked to hear that the GOP establishment has chosen (gasp) an establishment NE RINO liberal for their candidate.  The same guys that gave us the McCain win (oh wait...).

I will never give a cent to the RNC "party" hacks, but I do intend to give directly to the conservative candidates of MY choice!

177 "I'm starting to think Romney has spent a lot of the last 4 years figgering out how to game this thing"

Exactly. He studied the McCain campaign from top to bottom and has produced a near copy: Say what needs to be said, just get enough of the votes; suck up several big donors, present a facade of support; keep third-tier candidates in long enough to win enough of the first big states, make it a one-man race between you and all the other guys fighting over the same loaf.

Somewhere, somehow, McCain got his big donors to fund Huckabee and right now Romney is doing the same for Bachmann and Cain.

I still can't believe we are going down this road.
Are we really going to nominate the guy who lost to McCain, who was to the left of McCain and is only flanked on the left in the current field by Huntsman?

Not a one Romney supporter can come up with any of his policy positions that are to the right of Perry.

Give me a reason to vote for Romney over Perry and it all boils down to this: He a good speaker. That's it. Not policy, not action, not results. Words. Just words.

178 Here's a fourteen minute interview of Gov. Perry on WMUR (a NH station).  It's a little New Hampshire-centric (understandably), but there's a bit on Social Security that he does very well. 

His delivery is "milder" than the stump speech Perry - again, understandable.  I think this is a radio interview (even though there is video on YouTube). 


I will vote for Newt Gingrich before I'd vote for Cain. 

179

158  Romney has flaws but going after him on his religiion is last ditch desperation moves

Ha!  If he wins the nomination, just watch the MSM do that very thing.

180 Ha!  If he wins the nomination, just watch the MSM do that very thing

Bingo. 

The "Romney is the most electable candidate" argument is fallacious.  Even when I was supporting him (earlier this year) I had my doubts about his electability. 

181 BTW, Perry handles immigration in the last few minutes of the interview I linked. 

182 I'm still waiting for Generic Republican to enter the race. BTW, does any one know his middle name?

183 >>What does Perry stand for?

And IÂ’ll promise you this: IÂ’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.

That's what he stands for. 

In my opinion, Mitt Romney stands for the status quo when it comes to the size of government. 

184 And IÂ’ll promise you this: IÂ’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.

I like that, but...

Has he done that in Texas?  Will he just maintain the bloated government? Or will he cut it?

185 @189
He has fought the Feds in Texas. 

Have any of the others done that in their home states? 

186 Does literally no one here see the Perry ropadope coming?  It couldn't be more obvious.  Why hasn't he punched back at Romney hard?  Why does he have almost all his money in the bank?  This guy is a pro and is doing what a pro does.  Fact: Rick Perry doesn't lose elections.

187

" It should be a link to Gateway Pundit, who is reporting a GOP top fund raiser who says the GOP has "chosen" its candidate.  Romney.  I am disgusted with the GOP if this is true."

Well, some voters might disagree.  Romney tops out at 25-30% of GOP voters.  50-60%  can be called anti-Romney.

With the change of rules, unlike McCain, Romney might not be able to put the nomination away by winning 30-35% each primary. 

The question is if how much of the  50-60% anti-Romney vote will soften over time to let him win.

 

188

191

Hope you are right.  However, politicians always seem to disappoint.

Here's to believ'n.

189 For goodness sake, people, here in Texas we don't like Perry that much. We just like Democrats even less.

190 Something Perry needs to grasp:

Yes, we hate Obama.  And a large chunk of America is very disappointed in him.  Now, what you need to do is tell us why we should like you, and tell that vast pool of Americans why they should vote for you.

Forget about the Obama bashing.  Reality is bashing Obama far better than you can.  Tell us why you are the one we should send to replace Obama.

Less than 50% of voters approve of President Obama, and the job he's done.  The first half of the sale has been made.  Now make the second half.  Introduce yourself to us.  Get some out of state advisers who don't know anything about you.  Then have your texas people sit down with them, and talk about what you've done.  Everything that's a surprise?  Assume the rest of America needs to be told it, too.

191 If it is still true that "God takes care of fools, drunks, and the United States of America," we can hope that the eventual nominee has not even appeared yet. .

Since whoever takes office in January 2013 will be presiding over a nation in many kinds of collapse/disaster, it's going to have to be someone with brains abundant and balls of steel. We need a fricking Churchill, folks. And frankly, I'm not seeing Churchill in any of the people on that stage. If and when our version of Churchill comes along, hopefully he or she will refuse to even participate in these stupid dueling-soundbites charades.

192
Jimmuy @171:
A vote for Cain is a vote for Romney. Cain is this cycle's Huckabee, the flash in the pan who sucks just enough oxygen to allow the establishment candidate to win a plurality.

Amen, brother.

Am I really the only person around who has noticed Cain and Romney's little mutual admiration society? Romney never says anything bad about Cain, and Cain sucks up to Romney. I think Cain is angling to be Romney's VP.

193
Bob from Ohio @192:

WHAT change of rules? I haven't heard about this, but I'm intrigued. Has the GOP finally decided to quit being the Party of Stupid? Last I heard, NH was still gonna be a fucking open primary.

Links, please?

194 More on the Cain-Romney axis:
http://tinyurl.com/3m5pkl7

195 My only question for the Perry Campaign: wtf??

196 Rick Perry has been and is a good Governor of Texas.  He cut spending over the squeals of teachers, Dems, Austin liberals, Houston's Katrina population (that being Sheila Jackson Lee's district) and not raised property taxes.  (the Dems wanted to use our 8 billion $ rainy day fund to pay for all the goodies that liberals always love.)  He has tried to stop the TSA from molesting us and was told the FAA would shut down all air traffic to Texas.  He has sued the EPA for their egregious conduct.  There are plenty of jobs here for anyone who "wants" to work.  And he leaves us alone, not meddling in every aspect of our lives. 

Texans like him because he does a good job of being CEO and not laying down and letting the Feds roll over us.  He has never been a great debater, don't know who ever said he was.  We don't care.  Rick just does the right thing for Texas, and I know he will carry that blueprint to Washington.  Don't judge a man by 2 debate performances.  Look at his record.  Texas is the world's 8th largest economy and he has been running it for 11 years.  When S&P downgraded the U.S. in August, they upgraded Texas.  Look at his record.   

197 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

198

I look for integrity, good judgement and common sense, and the ability to get the job done within the constraints of our politicial system and its traditions.  Past accomplishments and a consistent record are also vital.

 

Perry fails on these points.  His disdain for the voters is beyond belief.  If you liked Bush you'll love Perry.  I can not stomach more "compassionate conservatives" or as they used to be called limosine liberals.

199 Excellent Analysis.

200 www.genset-china.com

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202 And Vice President. سبق