1 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure

2 Every debate since Rick Perry entered the race has been "the" debate. Its like an addict trying to quit and always pushes the big day to tomorrow. Today is the day I'll turn it around. No wait. Okay this is the day I turn it around. Wait. Okay, this is the official day I turn it around...

3 I thought it was Nein-Nein-Nein.

4 Turning point? I don't think so. Most people will not even see it. Of course, the MFM and Fox will lie like the lying champions they are.

I think this "debate" will probably be the worst one of them all simply due to the idiots who are running it. And that is saying something.

5 Tonight is a Hunter's Moon. ....Here's hoping it will bring Perry some good luck.

6

My guess is that Cain will end up as the VP candidate.  Especially if Romney gets the nod, since they'll want to ease conservative worries.

7 The real story is... how the candidates challenge Cain tonight will tell you how they will directly challenge Obama in the general.

So, don't look at Cain. Look at everyone else.

8 Oh, goodness no, I just LOVE the "Religion of Peace" and the rest of America should give these poor Arabs a break.

9 Are Presidents required to have people they do not want in their cabinets now? Does it really matter to the Constitution why they chose a particular member of that cabinet? Explain to me where Cain said anything that that is "constitution-scorning thing."

10 If true, this might be an interesting debate....

JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
RT @jamiedupree: Herman Cain: "I'm going after Romney"

11 It's also supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy.

LOL, right, and Lucy will hold the ball still this time.

12 Toughest for Perry.  He's got that big painted rock to climb over.  Plus he cause the malaria outbreak in Madagascar.  I wish he would stop doing that.

13 Ace, sometimes you strike me as such an independent thinker, and other times as only a guy with established political connections to the "establishment crowd" in politics. You see it with the half dozen "asides" about Hermain Cain's weaknesses, while not a peep is mentioned about Romney's gigantic elephant sized problems with health care, flip flopping, etc. Prediction: The Republican establishment will slowly subvert all the other candidates and Romney will get the nod. They will claim to be shocked (shocked!) when the base stays home or votes third-party.

14 I'm quite alright with allowing people to express a desire to end the Great Satan and establish a caliphate in a world wide theocracy, to be rulled directly by Allah's Koran.

15
It's also supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy.





So I expect 90% of the questions to be about abortion, Mormon underoos, and the Joo pro-Israel stranglehold on the GOP. You know, a bunch of mindless liberal sandbag questions.

16 A10 Warthogs wingtip to wingtip, unloading on the target rich environment on wall street... I'll be in my bunk

17 It's also on Bloomberg TV, which means whizzuh-whazzuh?  No one's going to see it.  I don't even know how to FIND Bloomberg TV. 

18
I think tonight will be a disaster. Our entire field of candidates are either being advised by fools or are in panic mode.

19 It's also supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy.
________

Thought I saw something last week about the debate folks notifiying the campaigns that the emphasis of the debate had shifted from being exclusively about the economy to "the economy for the first half, free-for-all the second half".

I'm hoping that a steel cage will descend and we'll see some real action.

 

20 14 I'm quite alright with allowing people to express a desire to end the Great Satan and establish a caliphate in a world wide theocracy, to be rulled directly by Allah's Koran.   Huh? I'm not sure what the target of this snark is even supposed to be, although expressing such a desire would be 1st ammendment protected speech.

21

"Quesiton One:  Governor Perry, since tonight's topic is the economy--why are you and your entire family racist?"

22 hahaha the economy! it's going to be about a rock amnesty wall street squatters mormons and race

23

I like Herm Cain.   Liked him from the moment I first heard him 10 months ago.  Like him every time I hear him talk.  Concerned about his lack of knowledge on foreign policiy (right of return) but I am willing to vote for him because of his beleif system and world view.  I think this man will educate himself on the issues (see: beckbeckbeckystan), and I think he will use principles I agree with in making his decisions.   I love the fact that he is a Washington outsider.  I hate hearing he doesnt have the organization to pull off the nomination, because this man is a leader.  What have the slick politicians given us to date?  What has voting for the establishment candidate gotten us other than Democrat-lite policies and election losses?   

I hope Mr. Cain does well given his new prominence.  He deserves serious consideration.

24

Important? -meh

Cain going after Romney. I call BS, but he won't be the first VP to find a small office in the White House with no phone and the POTUS daily schedule written in Aztec.

25 Look for Georgettte Mosbacher in the front row going all Basic Instinct for Romney.

26 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

27 Wanna bet there is a gay marriage question before the first commercial?

28
Rocks
Mormonism
Obamneycare
Who Hates Illegals The Most
Who Loves Guns The Most

This is what they'll be talking about tonight because they're all a bunch of a-holes scrambling for the top-spot.

29 "Mr. Cain, your 9-9-9 plan has attracted much attention since you first introduced it.  In that vein, can you explain how you can stomach being such a filthy Uncle Tom, and while you're at it, will you tell us which of the white candidates to your right or left is your massa?"

30

"It's also supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy."  ~ Ace

Only the first half....so, the first hour - Economy. The second hour will be a "free for all"....whatever the hell that means. Since it's WaPo/Bloomberg that will probably mean "everyone is free to all pile on Perry".

I can't tell if its going to be on Cspan or not....their schedule page is not showing anything yet in that timeslot.

31 Yes, but will questions be asked in a "human microphone" format?

32 It will be the candidate that focuses on showing the SCOAMF is a primo SCOAMF and how it could so easily be different for all of us (except the dirty hippies).

33 forgot booing at gay soldiers and gay showers

34 Herman Cain: "I'm going after Romney"

hmmm... a little sensationalism...

Every candidate gets one question for another candidate.  Cain will ask Romney.

35 Yes, but will questions be asked in a "human microphone" format?

hahahahahahaha

36 Hey, remember us? Locks for the nomination, circa Oct. 2007.

How'd that work out?

37 I don't know that I get the Bloomberg network, so there's a chance I WON'T be watching.

38

@#9  I love Cain, but he backtracked his no-Muslim in the cabinet statement. 

Article VVI paragraph 3: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

39 They won't let Cain reply until they take the temperature of the crowd.

40 My problem with calling any of these "debates" is that they don't allow any actual debate.  They're Q&A Sessions at best, and "gotcha" sessions at worst.

I do hope that Cain et al start focusing on Romney instead of Perry- because they have much more in conflict with Romney than they do with Perry.  If they do that, and Perry puts on a better showing, Perry wins.

Of course, that's why I think they won't do it.  They all view themselves as the "not Romney" and hope they'll knock Perry out of the race.  They all think that the "not Romney" will win.  What they're missing is the fact there are too many "not Romney" candidates in the race, and the longer they're in, the more likely Romney can win with his solid 25 - 30%.

41 Rocks
Mormonism
Obamneycare
Who Hates Loves Illegals The Most
Who Loves Hates Guns The Most

This is what they'll be talking about tonight because they're all a bunch of a-holes scrambling for the top-spot.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 11, 2011 12:24 PM (G/zuv)

Almost.  FIFY.

42 I'm not watching another one of these MBM circuses. No fucking way.

After the last one,  I felt a huge bone coming up in my throat and starting to protrude from my mouth. If you get my drift....

I'll be spending my time here.

43 I'm so scared we're gonna screw this election up and let a completely weak obama off the hook. Not sure America could survive that

44 i suggest that every time "uncle tom" is ever brought up........it is explained that uncle tom was the hero of the book......he was the truly moral character.......to be called an "uncle tom" is a compliment..

45

Either Perry or Cain have a good night or we're stuck with Candidate Romney.

It is his turn after all

46 Harry Belafonte called Cain a bad apple.  A jab like that from someone with Belafonte's stature and credibility... well, Cain is done.  Obviously.  Bad apple.  Devastating.

47 Michele Bachmann has some very tough questions for Cain regarding this whole Canadian Bacon/Ham controversy. Could be some real fireworks tonight.

48 I'm rooting for Cain!

49 belafonte is no uncle tom

50 More @MSNBCTV protestors being arrested in the Nations Capitol Building.

51 Charlie Rose will take five minutes to ask a question and give the candidates 30 seconds to answer.  Gawd, he is a boring as watching paint dry.

52

Harry Belafonte

Wow.  Still alive. 

53 ¿Míreme en segundo lugar?

54 Either Perry or Cain have a good night or we're stuck with Candidate Romney.

Sorry, but I don't see that Cain wins the nomination even if he knocks out Perry in this debate.  Too untested, too many questions.  He has no political resume- and, like it or not, life as a CEO of a corporation is not the same as life as a President.

So, either Perry has a good night, and Cain and the minor candidates start sticking it to Romney, or we're stuck with Romney as the candidate.

And I seriously debate staying home in November (I'm in Texas, there's no reasonable way Texas doesn't go to Republicans anyway).

55

 

I really like Cain and i'll contribute to his campaign,getting up to speed on issues that only professional politicians are polished on at this stage in the game isn't that big of a deal for me

56

Someone watch the debate and tell me if Perry manages to fake not being a smarmy douche, Romney manages to fake not faking everything, and Cain has a clue.

Thanks in advance.

57 Harry Belafonte is a nasty, petulant old bitch.

58

Wow.  Still alive. 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 11, 2011 12:32 PM (B+qrE)

Debatable.

59

Bloomberg TV does live-streaming on its Bloomberg TV website.

I just discovered this. ...Since I get Bloomberg on my cable lineup, I had never checked to see if they stream it live on their website. ....But they do.

They're talking about the debate right now....live.

60 Cain should do really well because it's on the economy.

It's on everything else where he has mishaps. If tonight is focused solely on economic issues, the only issue will be how he rebuts attacks from the others

61 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

62

This debate will probably be better than the next one that is hosted by Charlie Rose.

There are times I think we deserve to lose. What political party sandbags itself and allows debate moderators who are clearly anti-republican.

I'm not talking about differing ideas, I'm talking about people who irrationally hate republicans and all things conservative.

Why aren't moderating our own debates for the love of christ. The networks will cover them regardless.

63 Give pizza a chance!

64

IMHO, Cain could very well be the candidate that no one quite takes seriously right up until he wins the nomination.

The fact that Cain is still being written off is hugely to his advantage.  Perry really needs to take Cain down, for instance, but if he tries he just looks like a bully and desperate.

The only problem with it from my perspective (as a tentative Cain cracka), is that it means Cain isn't getting tested as much as he needs.

65 Rocks
Mormonism
Obamneycare
Who Hates Illegals The Most
Who Loves Guns The Most

This is what they'll be talking about tonight because they're all a bunch of a-holes scrambling for the top-spot.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 11, 2011 12:24 PM (G/zuv)

This...

So I'll be sleeping or watching baseball or lurking here or gaming or harrassing Mrs. dananjcon to do terribly naughty stuff.  I trust the moron hoarde to give me a snark filled re-cap in the morning.

    

66 this stage in the game

At what "stage in the game" does it become a big deal, then?  Seriously, he's been running for President since 2009 (more or less).  He has had plenty of time to get up to speed on things like Right of Return and other foreign policy issues.  He's had plenty of time to figure out that the more extreme views against Islam are not going to sell- even during the primary.  He's had plenty of time to lay aside the race card (which he didn't do).

I like what Cain says- but he has no political record- so we don't know what he'll actually do.  Given our current situation, that scares the pee out of me.

67 Heres some unvarnished truth for ya. Also where the GOP fucks up year after year after year after year. Why? Because of the Chokers we have mismanaging the party. They need to be given the bum's rush outta the back door, ASAP.

68 Only two candidates have not gotten what Rush calls the "media anal exam": Romney and Ron Paul.  Cain got his early on.

69

Posted by: Billy Joel Clinton at October 11, 2011 12:36 PM (8ieXv)

Won't Mr. Dananjcon get upset?

70 Perry may do better tonight because he won't be standing for 2+ hours. His back has to be giving him trouble. Cross my fingers.

71 Here's something I'd like to see come up in the debate, but...

IÂ’m thinking that this will do little to eradicate the Guinea worm disease breakout in the White House.

72

Confounded sock.

Posted by: Billy Joel Clinton at October 11, 2011 12:36 PM (8ieXv)

73 BTW. There is no way Romney wins. He is a DEMOCRAT. The base can't stand the sight of him.

74 It's also on Bloomberg TV, which means whizzuh-whazzuh?  No one's going to see it.  I don't even know how to FIND Bloomberg TV.

And I can't be bothered to *try* to find Bloomberg TV.

I'll just hang out here and let the morons who do find it tell me what ridiculously slanted questions the mods are asking.

75 BTW. There is no way Romney wins. He is a DEMOCRAT. The base can't stand the sight of him.

25 - 30% of those voting in the Republican Primary like him as their candidate.  That's huge.  If the "not Romney" crowd doesn't unite behind someone (I'd prefer Perry, obviously, but Newt is a good second choice, with Cain in 3rd) fairly early, he'll be the nominee.

76 69

Posted by: Billy Joel Clinton at October 11, 2011 12:36 PM (8ieXv)

Won't Mr. Dananjcon get upset?

Posted by: Alex at October 11, 2011 12:37 PM (J2ejK)

Yes I would. But it would be a perfect excuse to kick old Billy boys ass back to hills where he belongs.

 

77 Sorry, but I don't see that Cain wins the nomination even if he knocks out Perry in this debate.  Too untested, too many questions.  He has no political resume- and, like it or not, life as a CEO of a corporation is not the same as life as a President.

So, either Perry has a good night, and Cain and the minor candidates start sticking it to Romney, or we're stuck with Romney as the candidate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 12:33 PM (8y9MW)

Yep.  That's it.  I'm tired of the Cain fantasies.  It will not happen.  If Perry's out, Romney will crush Cain.

It's like people have never followed politics before.  The same scenario is playing out:

2008: McCain, 2012: Romney -- establishment candidate

2008: Romney, 2012: Perry -- candidate running to the right of the establishment guy

2008: Huckabee, 2012: Cain -- candidate who appeals to conservatives who serves as a stalking-horse for the establishment candidate

78 He has no political resume- and, like it or not, life as a CEO of a corporation is not the same as life as a President. Allen, why are you so hung up on that? Is there any factual information to back your thinking? You are one of the smartest people here and yet there is a block that stops you from seeing that the system needs to be blown up to save it. Professional Pols have mental limits on what they think they can and can't do. A Man like Cain has no such limitations. Even Obama, the mental midget he is, with little political experiance has accomplished more for his marxist overlords than Carter and Clinton Combined.

79

 the more extreme views against Islam are not going to sell- even during the primary.

 

you're right,because muslims slaughtering christians in egypt sells very well here.

80 First Q: Mr Romney, is it true you have a detailed 65 point plan for saving the economy.

2nd Q: Mr. Perry did all the illegals in TX get all the new jobs as your critics have complained about?

3rd Q: Mr. Cain is it true that your 9-9-9 plan calls Perry a racist?

4th Mr. Gingrich, why are you here?

5th Ms Bachmann, are you still a flake?

6th Mr. Santorum, why does Mr Bachmann hate gays?

81 Economy?  Gee.. that will lead right into about 20 questions about Occupy Wall St... oops.. I mean "loaded" questions about OWS.

82 RINO Retread Romney as president would be selling out the base on a daily basis to curry favor with the MSM and the Dems.

83 Uh huh, just like the others have been sooooo important.

The difference is that (at least, in theory) people are beginning to pay attention.

What's the debate schedule for the rest of the year, though?  I figure once we're 30 - 45 days out from the actual primaries we'll be at the real "turning point."  The best that happens tonight is that some of the also-ran candidates decide to drop out.

84 Cain makes me nervous in much the same way as Newt make me nervous.   98% of what they say I agree with and find brilliant, but there is that 2% where their mouth gets ahead of their brain that just make me cringe.

85

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 12:39 PM (8y9MW)

That son of a bitch is as bad as McCain on the worst day of his life. Throw a blonde wig and some bolt-on tits and you couldn't tell him from Megan.

86 Only two candidates have the money and backing to last through the primary season - Romney and Perry.  All of the other candidates are also-rans. 

87 Herman Cain: Republican Race Baiter 2012! Feel The Power!

Herman Cain: If You Loved Obama In '08, Cain Is Da Man For You In '12!

People who use the color of their own or other people's skin for their own political gain are despicable, whether there is an R or  a D behind their name on a ballot.

88

70 .....Perry may do better tonight because he won't be standing for 2+ hours. His back has to be giving him trouble. Cross my fingers.

This is another 2 hour debate. ...Are they going to be seated for this one? That would be great. ....Crossing my fingers too.

89 25 - 30% of those voting in the Republican Primary like him as their candidate.

I don't think so. Those high numbers for Romney are only in the newspaper polls and early polls months ago.

90

2

Never have I seen a level of support so dogged for a candidate who has performed so poorly during the nomination process as I have with Perry.  I really to have to give top prize to Redstate.com for this.  The shilling for Perry and the Romney hatred is hysterical.

After two poor first debates, and a third that is might be the worst I've ever seen for any major candidate (I'll give James Stockdale a pass.  He was never a politician and was up in years.), it seems people are perfectly willing to drive off a cliff supporting someone who has demonstrated little or any preparedness to take on not only Obama, but the campaign juggernaut that will be behind him.

Where has Perry been on Sunday morning news programs since his debate debacles?  If he is competent enough to answer basic questions about policy he should have immediately done damage control and gone on as many of these programs has possible to realize people that he wasn't someone absolutely out of his depth.

As for Romney being a "flip-flopper".  Yes, we know changed his positions on certain issues.  The fact that he had a relative die from an illegal abortion is not a fabrication.  It is true.  He has never stated that such a decision was morally correct.  His position is that it should be left up to the states, which with respect to the Tenth Amendment is one that I happen to agree with.

Romneycare and Obamacare are not carbon copies of each other.  Aside from other differences, the main one is that this was a program restricted to a VERY liberal state.  Romney suggested that some of his ideas could be used as a model for other states, but not an imposition.  He has never supported the IMPOSITION of Obamacare or an individual mandate on the entire nation.  That is what Perry's commercial doesn't want you to know.

With respect to "not wanting to turn back to Reagan/Bush", I'd really be curious to know who Rick Perry voted for in 1980.  A southern Democrat or a Republican California.  I'd not heard his answer on this but I would be surprised if he pulled the lever for Jimmuh.

Finally, Romney has put forth a jobs plan that is a conservative direction in which to take the country.  He has demonstrated a comprehensive grasp of both foreign and domestic policy.  Perry has demonstrated an ability to tell you that he'll do what he did in Texas.  That's it.  It's as if he's running for President of his own state. 

91 AmishDude at October 11, 2011 12:40 PM This is not 2008, This is 2010 turbo charged. Romney is a lib and everyone knows it. There is a reason he has been Campaigning sice 2006 and can't get above 25%. Romney is not even close to the end game unless we make him the end game. According to your post, he is the Endgame.

92 78 He has no political resume- and, like it or not, life as a CEO of a corporation is not the same as life as a President.

Allen, why are you so hung up on that? Is there any factual information to back your thinking?

Of course.  CEOs run the corporation.  If they have an idea, the company implements it and then they are held accountable afterwards by the board.  But the closest parallel to president is a dean in a university.  If you can get tenured professors to work to implement your agenda, you've got some serious leadership cred.

Furthermore, Cain has run for lower office before.  And he also lost.  He was a not-even close second in a 3-way primary for Senate.

I'm willing to bet very serious money that Cain will not be the nominee.  Very serious money.

93 Hermain Cain wrote the Banana Boat Song, I stole while delivering pizza.

94 Look for Georgettte Mosbacher in the front row going all Basic Instinct for Romney. Posted by: mpfs, TPT at October 11, 2011 12:23 PM (iYbLN) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's a lot of red carpet...

95 Clearly, the Romneybots can write long posts, yet still can't explain why Romney isnt in the Democratic primary. 

96 Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 12:43 PM Dude, you are far to wordy and boring to be a good Romneybot. You suck.

97 HEY! I've got Bloomberg TV.

The talking heads there that were discussing tonight's debate included Margaret Carlson and Al Hunt.

Those candidates are going to be so boned.

98 95, there goes lunch

99

BTW. There is no way Romney wins. He is a DEMOCRAT. The base can't stand the sight of him.

John McCain.

100

Ricke Perry gave my precious Shari the HPV.

He's a baaaaaad apple.

Day-O!

101 Given that Cain is now in second place, that should change. Whether Cain rises or falls might be the storyline of the night.

Ace I would bet that none of them are going to trash Cain tonight.

102

I should say I WOULDN"T be surprised if he voted for Carter.  Mondale as well in fact.

 

103 ConservativeMenAreJustHotter

Yup, they will be sitting at a table a la Charlie Rose style.

104 Allen, why are you so hung up on that?

Because I don't know what he'll do.  It's as simple as that.

Even with Romney (Please, God, not Romney) he has enough of a resume that I know what his political actions are likely to be.  The same is true of Perry, Newt, Bachman, Paul, and, bless his heart, Gary Johnson.

Someone who has been running for President since 2009, but has never held any other elected office scares me.  It requires a great deal of ego to do (even if there is the Character there to offset the ego) and I reflexively distrust people with that much ego. 

The reason I so actively support Perry is that I know he's a (relatively) small government conservative who doesn't like spending money "just because we have it."  At least one budget he signed (and I think two) were surplus budgets- Texas didn't spend all the money it made, but put away quite a bit in that Rainy Day fund (which seems almost prescient now).

I like what Cain says.  But that's all I've got: what he says.  As the Democrats how liking what someone says when that's all you've got works out.  They ended up with a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.  I know that Cain would not be that bad, but I'm also not willing to take that chance.

105 It's pretty clear Perry can't think on his feet at all. Can he think sitting down? I have my doubts.

106 Harry Belafonte is a dried up turd on a bad stretch of road.

107 Romney -- my hope here is that the wrong man will do the right things if he is elected. I definitely don't trust his wishy washy ass.
 
Perry -- I'm having to juice myself with a cattle prod to get up any enthusiasm over him right now, but he is still more likely to bring about the kind of changes we need. Perry > Romney
 
Cain -- He's got a lot of financial and business experience so he could really try to run government more like a business. He also takes away the race card. He's not going to be too lenient about incorporating sharia into the American system. At the same time, there might well be more world unrest with him at the helm. The muzzies ain't going to like him at all.
 
I'm currently neutral about Cain. If Perry totally washes out, I'm probably for Cain over Romney.
 
It should go without saying that ABO is a given.

108

"Dude, you are far to wordy and boring to be a good Romneybot. You suck."

On the other hand Oldsailor, you fit the mold of the Perry-Krishna perfectly.  Substanceless, with a room temperature IQ.

 

 

109 I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd party rumblings don't start up if Romney gets the nomination.  The thinking might be that Romney won't be that much different than Obama anyway, so what the heck; might as well vote for someone who reflects true conservative values.  I'm certainly not saying that I would advocate this, only that if Romney is shoved down people's throats, it might start a 3rd party movement.

110

Interesting to see the WH leaks details of a meeting between Romney's and Obama's henchmen re: socialized health care on the day of this debate.

Also interesting that Romney's now saying that if someone won't vote for him, to vote for Cain.

111 This is not 2008, This is 2010 turbo charged. Romney is a lib and everyone knows it. There is a reason he has been Campaigning sice 2006 and can't get above 25%. Romney is not even close to the end game unless we make him the end game. According to your post, he is the Endgame.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 12:44 PM (ZDUD4)

This is why Cain is attacking Perry.  The 25% besotted RINOs, willing to vote for Mittens are fixed at this point.  He needs to be the "not-Romney" guy.  Pick up 55-65%; win the nomination - crush liberal sterotypes, etc.  Perry needs to man-up, demonstrate basic competence in campaigning - does that - I think he is the guy.  At some point, Perry and Cain will have to sit down and deal, then send Mittens home.

112 Funny people calling Romney a liberal, when his platform is nearly identical to Perry's and Cain's.

You know they are losing it when all they can do is scream names, but cant name three significant policy differences they would pursue as president.

113

Romney, IMO, is just more of the same Machine Politics that have led this country down the path of destruction for the last 100 years.

He will tinker around the edges, but make NO real changes in Washington... it will be back to an argument of 'what' the government tells us to do, not a debate over IF the Government should be telling in the first place.

It will be back to how FAST the Goverment Grows, not a debate as to how to cut it back.

It will be back to 'do' we bother to enforce laws at all, not cutting back the number of laws we have...

It will be back to 'which' special interests have the ear of the Government... which lobbyists... not the Government listening to the people...

He IS an Elitist.. from the Elite... and will Govern so...

He will NOT lead this country to solutions, but will continue the status quo, doing nothing more than slowing our destruction.

IMO, he is NOT the answer...

114 http://newledger.com/ You should, before tonight's inquisition, listen to the latest Coffee and Markets podcast on ORomneycare and the Isikoff article posted earlier on the HQ. How bad is Isikoff's news? Bad. Very, very bad. This is solid reporting, too, despite Isikoff's own personal liberalism. Romneycare is the father of Obamacare, period. This will potentially devastate Romney's chances in the general. Even if he does win, he will be politically incapable of doing anything to roll back Obamacare, after the campaign and Democrat criticism. The ads are being written now. Isikoff's article is in the top drawer of the Obama campaign's war desk. It won't matter if the Romney faithful refuse to admit this is a liability, and they can hold their breath until they turn Democrat blue. The link between Romneycare and Obamacare is solid and Axelrod will make sure it has a klieg light on it at all times.

115

111 I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd party rumblings don't start up if Romney gets the nomination.

 

The GOP establishment would welcome it.  Romney's a stalking horse anyway.

116 "Mr. Cain". "Yes?" "how many States are there?" "50, why?"

You got my vote homie.

117 95 Look for Georgettte Mosbacher in the front row going all Basic Instinct for Romney.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at October 11, 2011 12:23 PM (iYbLN)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That's a lot of red carpet... Posted by: Countrysquire

A lot of dyed red carpet.

118 Funny people calling Romney a liberal, when his platform is nearly identical to Perry's and Cain's.

Yes, his platform is also a pack of lies 180° out from his past ACTIONS.

119 The GOP establishment are pushing Romney so hard it seems the fools are looking to get a third party going. Damn, they're stoopid.

120 Mitt Romney?? Now thats a guy a can get behind!

121 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 12:48 PM Ok that's honest. I like Perry cause the Bushes hate him. There is some cred to that. That and he laid off near 10k state employees.

122
As for Romney being a "flip-flopper".  Yes, we know changed his positions on certain issues.  The fact that he had a relative die from an illegal abortion is not a fabrication.  It is true.  He has never stated that such a decision was morally correct.  His position is that it should be left up to the states, which with respect to the Tenth Amendment is one that I happen to agree with.

Posted by: Reggie1971





"Baby-killing really is more of a local issue.  No need to make a Federal case out of it..."

123 OT:  James O'Keefe infiltrates OWS:

http://tinyurl.com/3pwjp4b

124 Methinks the conservatives need to host their own series of debates. Its pretty obvious these debates are for Network/demonazi manipulation. We can let the media cover real debates. We should never allow them to run them. Just sayin.

125

Posted by: Havedash at October 11, 2011 12:49 PM (sFD5n)

 

I hear you...

As much as diehard Repubs scream... the ONLY time we had anything close to a balanced budget out of Washington, was when there was a Viable Third Party threat from Ross Perot and the Reform party...

Note, that as soon as that threat was gone, Washington went right back to overpspending...

History... intersting subject...

126 He has never stated that such a decision was morally correct.

He has stated he was an ardent supporter of a woman's right to choose because of that incident.

Until 2007.

127

Allen, I see the choice not between Cain or Perry, but between one of those guys and Romney.

And given that choice, give me a principled conservative, even one without a record, over the flip-flopper opportunist Romney.  I don't know what Romney's position on something will be untill we see the field polling on the issue.  Wasnt he pro-choice when it was politically necessary?  Wasn't he for govenrment health insurance complete with a mandate?   I'd argue that Romney's record leaves us with many questions.  Cain has convinced me that he sees the world through a proper conservative viewpoinit.  I trust him to make good decisions because he is coming from principles I agree with. 

 

 

 

128 you're right,because muslims slaughtering christians in egypt sells very well here.

I'm glad you live in a world where the American people in general realize what a vicious death-cult Islam is.  Because I live in one where they've dedicated the last 10 years to ensuring that Muslims are "understood," and not to hurt the feelings of that (strangely invisible) silent majority of Moderate Muslims.

Face it, even a majority of Republican Primary voters believe (because they want to) that someone being anti-Islam is A Very Bad Thing and that We Should Be Above That.

129 So, how soon after the debate will some moron call for a "Draft X". X being the variable of your choice.

130 Funny people calling Romney a liberal, when his platform is nearly identical to Perry's and Cain's.

Romney's platform (for now) may be similar to Perry and Cain, but we know he will flip when the pressure comes off.  Perry and Cain might flip, but we can still hope for some consistency with them.  We know Romney is a big government guy, who will do what seems politically expedient.

131 Romney will do just fine if given the nomination.  Go read his positions on his website.

And, try to listen to his answers instead of turning him off as soon as he starts to speak at these debates.  It is most likely he will be our candidate.. you better start listening to what he's really saying at some point.

No one ever - ever - quotes his answers from a debate and how his positions are wrong.  Why is that?

132 Isn't tonight's debate format a very specifically retarded 30 second answer only format?

133 ":Governor Perry, do Republicans fail to recognized the incredible awesomeness of President Obama because of racism or stupidity?"

134 You know, I might reconsider running after all. Hey, just messin' with ya.

135 Perry and Cain might flip, but we can still hope for some consistency with them.  We know Romney is a big government guy, who will do what seems politically expedient.
Posted by: Jean
.........
So, concentrate on voting in the most conservative Congress ever.. they will force him to stay consistently conservative.

136 Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM Because he's a fucking liar Jerry that's why.

137
We're going to lose in 2012. And afterwards you'll blame our nominee, whoever it is, and you'll blame the fifty-one-percenters or whatever it comes out to be.

Just don't forget to blame yourselves. Because whoever the nominee will be, he'll be limping into the general election battered and bruised by his own party.

138 4 Turning point? I don't think so. Most people will not even see it.

^This.

Perry is not going to fold up his tent with $15 million in his pocket. 

139 8^log₈(64)

140

133 Romney will do just fine if given the nomination.  Go read his positions on his website.

His positions are all bullshit. Our position, as soon as he is elected, will be face down chewing the pillow.

141 No one ever - ever - quotes his answers from a debate and how his positions are wrong.  Why is that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

Because his debate answers are historically meaningless.  If you go back to 2008, he was advocating fixing healthcare like he did in Massachusetts.  If you go back to 2002, he was pro-choice and always would be.

If you go back to 1996, he was self-stated as "to the left of Ted Kennedy" on gay marriage.

The guy will say anything in a debate.  It's useless to quote or believe anything he says.

142 Romney and McCain and Dole! What was the question?

143

>>BTW. There is no way Romney wins. He is a DEMOCRAT. The base can't stand the sight of him.

You're kidding right? we got McCain in 2008 who actually flirted with jumping parties.

 

 

144

91....Finally, Romney has put forth a jobs plan that is a conservative direction in which to take the country. He has demonstrated a comprehensive grasp of both foreign and domestic policy. Perry has demonstrated an ability to tell you that he'll do what he did in Texas. That's it. It's as if he's running for President of his own state.

Ha! ....So you're saying that Romney's glossy little jobs plan is better than Perry's having actually done it in real life, for over a decade. ? 

The shilling for Perry and the Romney hatred is hysterical.

Heh....Accusing people of "shilling for Perry" while you are shilling for Romney. That's funny.

And Perry has mentioned that he was a Reagan Democrat. ....So its probably safe to assume that he "pulled the lever" for Reagan.

 

145 Allen, I see the choice not between Cain or Perry, but between one of those guys and Romney.

Yes, and I'll support Cain before I support Romney.  I thought that was pretty clear from previous comments, but, if not- it should be now.

The issue is that the early debates/primaries won't be deciding between one of those and Romney, they'll be deciding which of those is the ultimate "not Romney" candidate.  And, in that race, I think Perry is both the better candidate (for reasons I've already mentioned) and the one more likely actually to beat Romney for the nomination (because so many Republicans will share my ideas about proven experience, but not my ideals about conservatism).

146 Because he's a fucking liar Jerry that's why.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 12:56 PM (ZDUD4)

As far as politicians go, he's proven himself to be among the best.  And that's bad, imo.

147 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2011 12:58 PM (FkKjr)

Correction: He was left of Teddy on gay rights, not marriage.

148 Sorry, but I don't see that Cain wins the nomination even if he knocks out Perry in this debate.  Too untested, too many questions.  He has no political resume- and, like it or not, life as a CEO of a corporation is not the same as life as a President.




And this is exactly what Romney wants. He wants to campaign against Cain in a two man race.

So you'll see Romney go easy on Cain and attack Perry.

Any others going after Perry will do so because they want to slobber President Romney's knob.

I hope Perry does well, and I think he will because he is a politician who learns from his mistakes.

I also hope Newt does some more ass ripping, because that's always entertaining.

I'll be surprised if they even acknowledge Bachmann and Huntsman on stage.

And then there's Ron Paul....

149 Because he's a fucking liar Jerry that's why.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet
...........
ALL politicians are liars.

My only concern with this election is that we replace their liar with ours.    Herman Cain can never win the Presidency - so, as much as I like him - scratch Cain.

So, we have Perry and Romney - I would prefer Perry - but not unless he shapes up real fast.  If this is how he's going to debate the SCOAMF, he's going to lose.

150

You're kidding right? we got McCain in 2008 who actually flirted with jumping parties.

 

 

Posted by: Ben at October 11, 2011 12:59 PM (wuv1c)

People like me (Teapartiers) would like to avoid act II of that farce.

151 Cain is dismissed because he is not a politician? We only elect Governors? Romney is unacceptable to Tea Party Types because of Romneycare. And Perry is permanently damaged because of his stand on Immigration. Both of these are nearly the number one and number two issues for conservatives and Perry and Romney fail on both counts. Cain has a better chance than anyone right now. Romney next because of organization and money. I think Perry was done the minute his Immigration stand came out.

152

I'll say it again, because I've said it before and will keep saying it until 2013:

The Presidential race is vital, but as vital (if not more so) are the Senate and House races.  Whoever is nominated as the Repub Presidential candidate has to appeal to the majority of voters.  If that means we get dumbass Romney as the candidate because he's somehow "less scary" to moderates and independants than a solid conservative, fine.  Whatever.  He's not Obama by any stretch of the imagination, and ABO is the way to go.

But the LEGISLATIVE races are absolutely key to setting this country back on the path to fiscal sanity.  We need to put strong conservatives in both houses of Congress to control the purse strings and to dictate the content of legislation that reaches the President's desk.  If Romney wins the nomination and the Presidency, I won't mind so much if the legislature is conservative.  Romney is a perfect RINO, but if there's one thing he's good at it's reading the political smoke signals and aligning himself with the majority.  If there's a conservative majority in Congress that's drafting conservative legislation with solid support from the electorate, there's no way Romney's going to veto it.  No way.   If he so much as hints at it he'll start hearing the chants for someone to primary him in the 2016 elections as early as February 2012.  Bet on it.

If we have a quality conservative crop of legislators in Congress, we can start paving the way for a truly conservative presidential candidate in the years to come.  If "moderates" and "independents" are too "scared" of conservative values to elect a conservative this time around, we need to acclimate them to the benefits of conservative ideals via a conservative Congress.  Then when Rubio runs for President in 2016 or 2020, he'll have a golden road to the White House laid out ahead of him.

153 141 8log8(64) Posted by: Truman North at October 11, 2011 12:57 PM (I2LwF) Sweet 16? 16 Candles? 16 gauge?

154 No one ever - ever - quotes his answers from a debate and how his positions are wrong.  Why is that?

Because, based on his past actions, his current words are BS.  I'll  believe what someone has done long before I'll believe what they say they're going to do.

155 You know just once in these debates I'd like to see one of the candidates say something like " that's not relevent, lets talk about what a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure Obama is." And then proceed to point out what a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure Obama is.

156

>>Romney will do just fine if given the nomination. Go read his positions on his website.

What were his positions 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 10 years ago? 2 years from now?

Mitt Romney will say anything to anyone to get what he wants. Plain and simple.

He's pro-choice and pro-life, he's pro-amnesty and an anti-illegal immigrant hard liner, he's against Obamacare but for Obamacare on the state level, he's pro gay marriage and he's anti-gay marriage, he's pro-war and anti-war,  it goes on and on and on.

He will be whatever you want him to be as long as you vote for him, but after he's in office what will he be?

157

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

Its a very simple propostition...

Character does NOT spring up overnight.... you CAN judge character by a persons past actions.

Because... news flash... people lie.  Thus, you must place their current words, and decide whether their character is such that you BELIEVE those words...

Obama RAN as a Centrist!  If you look at his 'messege' it was no tax raises except for the rich... it was to CUT regulation... it was to close GITMO... it was to bring troops home... it was to make Washington a 'Post Partisan' place (remember that one).... YET if you looked to his character, his past, you KNEW these were all lies...

Now, you ask us to NOT look at Romneys PAST, and trust his current 'Positions'...

Sorry... I'm a bit hesitant to trust ANY Lifelong Politicians, from a Politicial Family... right now.

158 And in the 'boy, I sure didn't see that coming' department:

Notorious drunk found the key to the liquor cabinet again.  Just think.  Had they taken the mic away any of the 15,000 prior times he let the alcohol talk for him, they would have had a chance a salvaging a shred of credibility.  Oh well.

159 Both Perry and Cain have something to prove tonight, so I expect that they will be aimed at each other. I expect Romney to stand aside and let that happen. Hard to say how that plays out - a decisive knockout by Cain or Perry may overshadow Romney if he's not in it. Alternatively they could allend up "meh" and we'll be right back here. Or Perry and Cain can show off the worst of each other and themselves and Bachmann may pick up the anti-Romney mantle again. Or a giant squid could be set loose in New York City and then no telling what happens after that.

160 O/T

But more of the chanty Simon Sez group decision making from the OWS crowd.

Enjoy!!!

Did you take a look at the People of OWS linked in the sidebar? The whole thing is a snarkfest and the last pic really is the best.

161 ":Governor Perry, do Republicans fail to recognized the incredible awesomeness of President Obama because of racism or stupidity?"

Posted by: real joe at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM (xovnt)

Perry:  "Yes, I believe Obama is both racist and stupid."

162 I wonder who floated the Texas rock with the n-word on it to the press? Is Willard a big nasty rat or just a politician that can't guareentee his home state in a national election? Funny, I guess the RINOs expect the south, midwest and Rocky mountain states to drag this 25% New England wonder across the finish line. RINO's its what's for dinner.

163 143 No one ever - ever - quotes his answers from a debate and how his positions are wrong.  Why is that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM (f9c2L)

Because his debate answers are historically meaningless.  If you go back to 2008, he was advocating fixing healthcare like he did in Massachusetts.  If you go back to 2002, he was pro-choice and always would be.

If you go back to 1996, he was self-stated as "to the left of Ted Kennedy" on gay marriage.

The guy will say anything in a debate.  It's useless to quote or believe anything he says.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2011 12:58 PM (FkKjr)

THIS!  and more THIS!!!

164 I think Wallace's treatment of Santorum on Sunday should be a warning to all Tea Party/Social Con candidates in the debates. They're going to go gunning for them, to cover Romney. They know if they get Romney, they gut the conservative/Tea Party movement and can get back to the soft slide to socialism they crave.

165 Fuck Christie.

166 Christie to endorse Romney.   Ugggh.   Arggggggh.

167 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 12:54 PM (8y9MW)

Unfortunately you are correct. Whatever groundswell of anti Islamic-savagery there may be in America has been squashed by the political correctness of the MBM and our progressive masters in academia.

But...eventually these 7th century murderers will get lucky in this country and we will see the other side of the coin: American savagery.

168

I see.

Romney is pretending to be conservative in his platform so on day one he can turn America into a far left hell-hole.  That is his lifelong diabolical plan.

He didn't modulate his positions to be politically viable in Massachusetts.  He really is a radical liberal.  He vetoed hundreds of spending billing from the Mass legislature because they didn't spend enough.  Every single thing he did there was as ultra-liberal as possible.

When elected President, he will give a sinister laugh at the convention and call for a mandatory one child policy and forced abortion.  His 59 point job plan?  ALL LIES.  He will break everyone of them and declare himself dictator so he need not be reelected.  We will have immediate nationalition of all industries.  Every conservative bill that Congress that send him he will veto (not at it will matter, he will be the American Castro by that point).  He will make our only military wear shocking pink uniforms and will require they do not engage in heterosexual marriage.

It will only be the beginning.

169 167 Breaking: Christie will endorse Romney.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 11, 2011 01:04 PM (qjUnn)

Why am I not surprised?

170 Governor Perry, do you foresee any significant impact to the Texas economy if Jim Crow is abolished in your state and Texans are forced to paint over their beloved racist rocks?

171 167 Breaking: Christie will endorse Romney. Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 11, 2011 01:04 PM (qjUnn) Not really surprising, actually. The party money men are lining up GOP stars and telling them to endorse the candidate they want: Romney.

172 163 ":Governor Perry, do Republicans fail to recognized the incredible awesomeness of President Obama because of racism or stupidity?"

Posted by: real joe at October 11, 2011 12:55 PM (xovnt)

Perry:  "Yes, I believe Obama is both racist and stupid."

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at October 11, 2011 01:03 PM (pY3GI)

 

THREAD WINNER

173 Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 01:00 PM Ok jerry, let me take this one step further. Romney is a straight up elitist. It has not or ever has been what is good for America. It is what is good for the name Romney. It is about linage. It is about having his family name in a childs history book. He has no giuding principles, no guiding morality and he sure as fuck doesn't care whether or not our culture is left in tact. It's all about making Daddy proud. Well fuck him.

174 Cain is dismissed because he is not a politician? We only elect Governors?

Yes, and yes.

When you're hiring someone, you normally review their resume to see if they have any relevant experience, and you ask them technical questions (about whatever field) to see how they handle them.  You do this because you want to hire the correct candidate.

And then, if you're wrong, you can always fire the new hire and look for someone better.

We get the first two (resume and questions) via the vetting and debate process when selecting a nominee, but we do not get the third.  For that reason, I'll take someone with a proven track-record of conservative governance over someone with no experience, but who can answer the questions really well.

And I'll take either of those over someone whose resume shows he's an utter failure where I need him to be strong, no matter how well he interviews.

175

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 11, 2011 01:02 PM (jx2j9)

When I read your link description I was positive the link was going to lead to another bout of Joe Biden buffoonery.  Just goes to show that stupidity is widespread in the world of lefty dickwads.

176 CNBC could save a ton of money, if, they did what weekly lottery commercials do. Have the idiot say, "Republicans are racist because they oppose," then have him hide his mouth behind the mic, then insert the "outrage" of the week afterward.

Notorious drunk found the key to the liquor cabinet again.  Just think.  Had they taken the mic away any of the 15,000 prior times he let the alcohol talk for him, they would have had a chance a salvaging a shred of credibility.  Oh well.

177 Time to go keep the flames hot and scorch Romney

178 Northeast repubs gotta hang together.

179 172 167 Breaking: Christie will endorse Romney.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 11, 2011 01:04 PM (qjUnn)

Why am I not surprised?

 

You do know that the heart and soul of the Republican party resides in MA and NJ? Hell they all always the vanguard of conservatism. I guess a third party is necessary after all.

180

167 Breaking: Christie will endorse Romney.

Romney must have promised to fund his re-election campaign.

181

He's pro-choice and pro-life, he's pro-amnesty and an anti-illegal immigrant hard liner, he's against Obamacare but for Obamacare on the state level, he's pro gay marriage and he's anti-gay marriage, he's pro-war and anti-war, it goes on and on and on.

He will be whatever you want him to be as long as you vote for him, but after he's in office what will he be?

Posted by: Ben at October 11, 2011 01:01 PM (wuv1c)

 

Cant believe people believe crap like this. No wonder that hate Romney. They are stuck in their own world of lies. Romney was never for gay marriage. Never. He has a super-strong record of fighting illegals as governor. He became pro-life - good for hime. His foreign policy is nuanced and steady. HE was never "anti-war".

 

But that is all the other side has now - lies.

 

182 Politicians' platforms are a function of the electorate. Holding Romney responsible for the far-left Mass. electorate is kind of stupid. Romney's RINO-ness is fundamentally unlike John McCain's who moved left against the wishes of his constituents. Additionally, why is an individual mandate so bad given that hospitals are FORCED to care for the uninsured? What makes Obama's individual mandate so bad is that you cannot buy true insurance, but are forced to buy gold-plated prepaid medical care policies that are not really insurance policies at all. Now unfortunately for RomneyCare, all that gold-plated shit was added to it later, but not supported by Romney. I'm not a huge Romney fan. He's okay. What scares me more about Romney is his softness on entitlement reform, not his record as Gov. of Mass.

183 I could have a productive debate with this Romney fellow. I'd like to discuss his plans for healthcare.

184

Wish somebody could get the full transcript to Romney's 2004 speech to the Fannie Mae Foundation where extolled using leverage to increase supply of housing. Could only get this clip :

"By leveraging public and private sector investment, we can increase our housing supply and support economic growth."--Romney to Fannie Mae Foundation 2004. 

Romney adviser Vin Weber (a seriously connected beltway type) was on the Fannie Mae payroll and Fannie Mae policy was very closely aligned to the housing wonks of Harvard school of gov and Harv business school.

Perry or another candidate could rip Romney to shreds on this issue because Romney has gone out and attacked Fannie Mae in dozens of speechs.

185 Random question: What if Romney gets the nomination and Perry (or Cain) decides to run as an Independent?

186 Breaking: Christie will endorse Romney. We called him Fat Mitt for a reason.

187 He will be whatever you want him to be as long as you vote for him, but after he's in office what will he be?

Awesome.

188 Tonight's Debate is a Turning Point in the Election the First Major Step Toward a Romney Administration.

Perry will fail and Cain will be elevated.  Then, the destruction of Cain will begin, all nice and clean like, with no blood on Romney's hands, courtesy of the GOP establishment and FOX News.

It's depressing beyond belief that someone can get up on stage and tell as many lies as Romney has and still win, but after Obama I guess the bar has been set pretty low.

189 Additionally, why is an individual mandate so bad given that hospitals are FORCED to care for the uninsured?
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Well, thanks for being honest, anyway. 

190

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 01:05 PM (b68Df)

No, he will simply allow the status quo, of HIS Lobbyists being allowed to write bills to continue.

He will continue the current Tax system, which picks winners and losers, as long as HE gets to pick them.

He will gladhand Enviros, and Green Energy, and conitnue to pour money down a horrible experiment, while NOT forcing through the permits needed to get this country truly energy independent (Nucs and Oil, and Gas, oh my)...

He will continue to tinker around the edges... he will be a caretaker President at best...

Which while it may delay the economic collapse of America... it will not prevent it.

191 "Question No. 1 for you Governor Perry. Wouldn't it be better for the economy if the tax breaks for rich oil barons could be redistributed to high school kids to buy condoms so crazy ass governors wouldn't unconstitutinoally immunize school girls against STDs against their will?"

192 I really don't give a crap about Romney's flip flopping in the past.

A moderate Romney with a conservative Congress  will be light years better than what we have now.

A GOP House and Senate with Obumbles will be four more years of gridlock.

My preference would be a lock on Congress and a Prez like Perry, but so far Perry isn't giving me the warm and fuzzies in regards to beating Obama.

193

Reggie1971,

its not that Romney's 50-something point plan is liberal or socialist or anything like that.  It's decent, but its pretty tentative stuff.  We're far too along for it, really.

Here's hoping Perry continues to flame out and Cain shows us something.

194 Romney must have promised to fund his re-election campaign.

Word on the street is that Romney is funding his pie-of-the-month club dues.

195 Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at October 11, 2011 01:09 PM (pY3GI)

Then we will get four more years of the SCOAMF.

196

Chris Christie ate my banana.

 

197 yeah, Duke, Romney is such a well of consistency.  And don't put your f'n email in the name box dumbass, no go get your shinebox.

198 MSNBC staunch conservative Chris Christie to endorse Romney.

199 Random question: What if Romney gets the nomination and Perry (or Cain) decides to run as an Independent?

I have a chart here that answers that question.

200

140.... Perry is not going to fold up his tent with $15 million in his pocket.

They were talking about Perry's war chest on Bloomberg earlier....someone said he has nearly $20 million now. I hope they're right.

 

201 Over at Drudge, dem idiot pundits floating Worst President in History / Worst Sec. of State in History ticket as the potential salvation of the left.  Good luck with that, idiots.

I guess healing the planet and receding the oceans didn't work out so well after all.

202

It's depressing beyond belief that someone can get up on stage and tell as many lies as Romney has and still win,

 

Nah.  I'm fine with liars.  I just want them to be good at it. 

Romney ain't.

203 Holding Romney responsible for the far-left Mass. electorate is kind of stupid

No, it's not.  He volunteered to run in Massachusetts, and he was ran as someone liberal enough that the very liberal Massachusetts voters were comfortable granting him the Governor's seat.

204 Then we will get four more years of the SCOAMF.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 11, 2011 01:11 PM (K6bNI)

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

205 "Question No 2 for you Governor Perry. If you think jobs are the key to pulling us out of this recovery, why haven't you told your racist GOP pals to vote for the President's Jobs Bill?

206 189 Random question: What if Romney gets the nomination and Perry (or Cain) decides to run as an Independent?

 

Either Perry or Cain wouldl live in infamy as being responsible for the destruction of America as well know it.  That would be my guess. 

Cain's political would never be elected to any office, and there might be a boycott of any company he happened to run in the future.

Perry would be politically done in Texas.  Truth be told, he's not all that popular here now.

Neither of them would do that.  I've got problems with both but they aren't stupid.

 

 

207

“I think [Obama's election is] the greatest accomplishment that the United States ever came up with. I think it’s magnificent because he’s not only an African-American, but he’s, you know, I’ve always respected intellectual people, and he’s an intellect… He’s highly, he’s more than intelligent. He’s very bright, highly bright.”

Daily Caller, Tony Bennett

208 I am not threatening, just stating a fact. If Romney is the nominee, I am sitting home and sitting on my hands. I hated voting for McCain, but did. I will not vote for Romney. Simple as that. Giving me the choice between one socialist and a socialist-lite? No choice at all.

209 How about I just wait and see if Perry can do a single debate or talk show without pissing me the hell off, insulting me, or being incoherent for the most part? that would be nice. too much to ask?

210 You'll love four more years of me. Just to put some ice on that bruise, I'll appoint Romney head of HHS. Bipartisanship, and stuff like that.

211

Perry or another candidate could rip Romney to shreds on this issue because Romney has gone out and attacked Fannie Mae in dozens of speechs.

Posted by: anti-Romney
...........
Bush touted the "ownership society" every chance he got.  That didn't work out too well, did it?

If only politicians didn't have to make speeches...

212 Any GOPers who starts ragging on Christie because he endorsed someone other than your preferred candidate has a diseased mind.  Gawd, this is the party that is America's last hope?

213 Fat Mittens

214 I think one reason the establishment GOP and MFM is pushing Romney so hard is that a Romney nomination will take the wind out of the sails of the Tea Party movement.  Think about it.  What a slap in the face to the Tea Party and their positions than to nominate a two faced RINO.  I would have to believe that a lot of hard-headed conservatives would sit this one out rather than to vote for a bigger RINO than McCain.  That in turn will have a trickle down effect on other elections.  I think it would be totally demoralizing to the those who have been working so hard to change Washington DC.  Will it cause us to gird up and fight harder, or just say screw it and wait for the apocalypse.

215

Best case scenario tonight is Perry knocks it out of the park, and the wishy-washy non-Romney voters abandon Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and line up behind Perry.

If it's not a two man race come primary election time then it's over and Romney is our candidate, unless he switches parties and runs as a Democrat

216 Come on Newt, I know you are going for VP, but we could use an actual president right now.

217 No. Tonight's debate is another big nothing.

218

pforeman, I'd call you an idiot if I took you seriously. 

 

I don't.  Some of you people are partisan to a crazy degree.  Turn off the internet and play with the kids.

219

>>>I am not threatening, just stating a fact. If Romney is the nominee, I am sitting home and sitting on my hands. I hated voting for McCain, but did. I will not vote for Romney. Simple as that. Giving me the choice between one socialist and a socialist-lite? No choice at all.

I live in a swing state and will be voting Republican in 2012 even if it's Romney

220 217 Any GOPers who starts ragging on Christie because he endorsed someone other than your preferred candidate has a diseased mind. Gawd, this is the party that is America's last hope?

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 11, 2011 01:14 PM (epBek)

No, we rag on Christie because of his Gun and Environmental stances... along with a bit of border thrown in....

Which leads to suspecting his Judgement on some issues... Like who he endorses?

221

No, it's not.  He volunteered to run in Massachusetts, and he was ran as someone liberal enough that the very liberal Massachusetts voters were comfortable granting him the Governor's seat.

 

Romney went to school in Massachussetts and was a businessman there.  He had lived in that state since at least the early seventies.  For over TWENTY YEARS. 

That's why he ran there.  Tempering your political views is nothing new.   Politicians have done it since there have been politicians, but people for some reason seem to think Romney was the first one.

222 It's also supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy.

Believe that when each candidate is allowed to promote their economic platform without being cut off.

How will the Tea Party deal with the 9-9-9 tête-à-tête between Cain and Bachmann. The Tea Party isn't just for a balanced budget, but for smaller federal government and LOWER TAXES, hence no bail-outs. Cain's 3rd "9" Federal Sales Tax will serve as a Trojan Horse as Bachmann predicts since no "limit" ever stays static or as originally designated given Congressional spending and appropriations.

Bachmann may be the bitch, and her messages play to peoples fears. But to deny the criticisms that she raises would be foolish.

I'm disappointed with the tax law expert Bachmann for not having prepared her own succinct balanced budget or lower taxes platform.

I trust that Cain's numbers would function. But Congress is a beast with a voracious appetite. And if 9-9-9 could maintain AT 9-9-9 without inflated tax% rates in time, we'd still be "enjoying" the initial 7% base income tax rate in the Constitutional Amendment.

223

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 11, 2011 01:14 PM (epBek)

Just to be clear, I hated The Fat Man RINO from the get go. His endorsement just confirms what I already thing about Old Greasy.

224 Oh, is Bachmann still in the run? And why, if she is?

225

Perry would be politically done in Texas.  Truth be told, he's not all that popular here now.

He's not that unpopular, either.

Neither of them would do that.  I've got problems with both but they aren't stupid.

Agreed. As I said, it was just a random question. But, I can totally see Cain running as in Indie, but probably in the next election, not this one.

226 pforeman may be a troll.. that is exactly what I would expect - demoralizing talk.

227

Best case scenario tonight is Perry knocks it out of the park, and the wishy-washy non-Romney voters abandon Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and line up behind Perry.

 

There is no best-case scenario with Perry.  Best case scenario is Perry disappears and Romney panics when he realizes that the Cain boomlet is real, starts throwing mud, and Herman has to defend himself and up his game.

228 Bah! I hate it when my italics don't take.

229 228, WORD.

230 Word on the street is that Romney is funding his pie-of-the-month week day club dues.

FIFY.

231

Perry's my guy for now.  Cain bothers me.  Don't know what it is about him but he doesn't make me feel comfortable.   Perry ticked me off with the whole HPV thing and I told my girls that no shots were in their future.  Other than that, I believe he's done a good job here.  He's listened to the people, he firmly believes in States rights (huge deal for me).  Besides, I just don't watch the debates.  They mean nothing to me, just a bunch of sparring, I don't like it because they really don't cover important issues anyway, 'cept for rocks n such.  I sent Rick a letter...hopefully, we'll get some semblance of a plan for him.  That's what I want to see....

232 Best case scenario tonight is Perry knocks it out of the park, and the wishy-washy non-Romney voters abandon Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and line up behind Perry.

I'd settle for Perry getting through the debate without insulting the conservative base.

233 Demoralizing? Sure. But a Conservative leaning House and Senate is rhinoplasty for a big horn nose.

234 177 Allen G When you're hiring someone, you normally review their resume to see if they have any relevant experience, and you ask them technical questions (about whatever field) to see how they handle them. You do this because you want to hire the correct candidate. Great theory, however we have been getting what the MSM and RINO elitists think we need, not what we actually need. Remember McCain? Dole? Even Bush did more to destroy conservatism than Clinton. I want someone that was successful in his field, I could give a damn if he was a politician or plummer. How about someone with some common sense? How about someone I can trust? I now do not trust Romney or Perry. I could accept Santorum before either, because at least Santorum is principled. And Cain has a proven track record of fixing broken organizations, that is enough resume for me. Bet he is smart enough to hire the people to tell him who the President of Fuckistan is. All done with MSM and establishment types telling me who is electable...fuck them, and fuck their manufactured candidates.

235 I have only two questions about Bachmann tonight: 1. How much hairspray? 2. Crazy eyes!

236

No, we rag on Christie because of his Gun and Environmental stances... along with a bit of border thrown in....

 

He lives in New Jersey!

 

Geez, what do you people want Republicans who grew up in the Northeast and would like to run for office to do?  Run for for office on stridently conservative platforms as some sort of kamikaze campaign, or for them to leave their homes and move to Dixie?

237 213 I am not threatening, just stating a fact. If Romney is the nominee, I am sitting home and sitting on my hands. I hated voting for McCain, but did. I will not vote for Romney. Simple as that. Giving me the choice between one socialist and a socialist-lite? No choice at all.   Ditto - me too - except I will vote for Senate and House. Just sayin. Dole, McCain and now Romney. I am pretty sure there will be reruns of NFL games that day so I will have something else to do.

238

Mmm...mmm...mmmm Barak-Hussein-Obama...

 

239 Romney nominated? Then fuck the Republican Party. I will no longer be camped out back on the Republican plantation. I will find an alternative to my anger, and it won't be a moderate hands-across-the-public-trough alternative.

240 Because this debate is to be focused on the economy, I'd really like to drill down on some of the economic issues facing this country. Governor Perry, how successful do you think you could be selling n*gger rocks to angry white Texans, and would your endorsement of n*gger rocks help sales? Mr. Romney, what does your magic Mormon underwear tell you about the likely direction of the stock market over the next few months? Mr. Cain, let's assume you are authentically black for the moment. Which of the other candidates has the most racist economic plan, do you think?

241

Tempering your political views is nothing new.   Politicians have done it since there have been politicians, but people for some reason seem to think Romney was the first one.

 

Yeah, and if Romney had said something along those lines, I would have respected it.  Instead he did this terrible maladroit pandering, acted like he'd just somehow happened to 'change his mind' on a whole bunch of issues, pretended like he hadn't on others, etc.  It was one of the clumsiest jobs I've seen.

A politician has to have character, the right issues, etc., but he also has to be good at politics.  Romney sucks at politics.  I for sure will back him big in the election and there are even a few scenarios where I might reluctantly vote for him in the primary.  But he's a bad politician, and we should do better if we can.

242 245, LOL

243

Ugh.  I just remembered that the looney-tune college students at Dartmouth are planning an "Occupy Hanover" thing tonight in the hours leading up to the debate.  Great.  That should be fun.  Damn smelly commie pinko hippy bastards.

Oh, and it's TOTALLY grassroots, people.  Just because this particular Occupy protest is being organized by a student organization that's allied with SEIU means nothing.

244 Call me an idiot, I don't care. I will vote to retain our House and vote to replace Bobby Casey with a solid conservative but I will not vote for Romney. It's not bitter partisanship, it's reality. Romney is no conservative in anything other than a personal way. He is no fiscal conservative. Period, end of story. He's going to continue kicking the problems down the road. He has no spine for standing up for his principles - he has none that can't be changed - and I would rather everything go down quickly (and get the American people out fighting against it). Give me 4 more years of deadlock and a 2016 field including people like Mike Pence and Bobby Jindal.

245

$1.2 Billion Fed Loan for 10 – 15 permanent jobs?  Yeah.  I can see that.

Holder resign?  Nah.  We need to aim much higher than that.

246

 

  I said this before, and will repeat it--no matter WHO is the nominee, or isielected, we MUST work to ensure  downticket success. Without an unassailable majority in the House and Senate, plus the courage to actually DO something, it 's just an exercise in futility.

  Y'all need to remember that.

247 The Perrybots are cracking me up with their 'we have always been at war with Eastasia Governor Christie' stuff.  Not as funny as their fantasy that Perry gets picked on in the debates, and thats why he sucks, but still pretty funny.

248 I am allergic to wool.

249

pforeman,

yeah, like I said, if I respected your point of view I'd bother calling it idiotic. 

250

I've never been a Republican.  I'm not enrolled with any party. And I'll be damned if I have to pull the lever for Mitt.

But I will.

251

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 01:20 PM (b68Df)

Or... perhaps say what they believe, and make cogent arguements for those positions?

Its like her in California with the oil off the coast drilling question... IF a stinkin Repub would come out with a plan to drill, and explain that it would then be used to fund the rest of the State coffers? it would split the Enviros from the other interest groups...

BUT, they think the Environment is off limits here in Calironia.... because NO ONE TRIES...

And I'm also going on Christies actions when he was an Attorney... and some of the Cases HE voluntarily took on...

ANNNDDDDD... what you believe is what you believe... its a question of CHARACTER if you will modify to get elected....

252 241

No, we rag on Christie because of his Gun and Environmental stances... along with a bit of border thrown in....

 

He lives in New Jersey!

 

Geez, what do you people want Republicans who grew up in the Northeast and would like to run for office to do?  Run for for office on stridently conservative platforms as some sort of kamikaze campaign, or for them to leave their homes and move to Dixie?

 

Isn't the expectation that Dixie will vote for what they are given an assumption on your part? So far Dixie has avoided becoming NJ and no we don't want anymore Yankee tax refugees. Stay where you are and fix your own nest. Quit running to us for economic cover and then trash us for our culture. I've lived in NJ. Its cold, wet and smells.

253

"Dude, you are far to wordy and boring to be a good Romneybot. You suck."

On the other hand Oldsailor, you fit the mold of the Perry-Krishna perfectly. Substanceless, with a room temperature IQ.

A pithy reply. However, I have a lisp.

254 213 I am not threatening, just stating a fact. If Romney is the nominee, I am sitting home and sitting on my hands. I hated voting for McCain, but did. I will not vote for Romney. Simple as that. Giving me the choice between one socialist and a socialist-lite? No choice at all.

Posted by: pforeman at October 11, 2011 01:13 PM (h7ayO)

Yeah! thats the ticket baby! take a flyer in 2012! come- lets sing a song about it!

Mmm...mmm...mmmm Barak-Hussein-Obama...

255 Sub-Tard at October 11, 2011 01:23 PM Is there anyone left in the N/E ? I thought they all moved south to finish the Civil War. This time with their libtard votes.

256 Romney is far to the right of John McCain. Anybody who believes otherwise just doesn't understand how politics works. Maybe there is a better candidate than Romney, but thus far I prefer Romney to Perry. Sit out the election you if Romney is the nominee. It's your life. But if you didn't sit it out for McCain, but will for Romney, that's not acting on principle, it's acting on stupidity.

257 "Dude, you are far to wordy and boring to be a good Romneybot. You suck." On the other hand Oldsailor, you fit the mold of the Perry-Krishna perfectly. Substanceless, with a room temperature IQ. Whatever, you still suck.

258 Give me 4 more years of deadlock and a 2016 field including people like Mike Pence and Bobby Jindal. Posted by: pforeman
............
the deadlock is more fatal to us than them.

Doing nothing does the following:

All Obama's appointments remain in place.  If you like your Eric Holder, you can keep your Eric Holder.

Obama simply does nothing and all the Bush tax cuts sunset.  Everyone's taxes get raised.

Obamacare kicks in.  No repeal.. no waivers... it kicks in big time.

So, for all you who say you'd rather sit home than vote for Romney - there is your future.  I hope you are real happy with it.

259 Politicians have done it since there have been politicians, but people for some reason seem to think Romney was the first one.

Yes, he spent 20 years in MA.  And then he ran for Governor there- as someone liberal enough to get elected in MA.  You call it "tempering" his political views- I call it evidence of who he is, politically.

Perry would not be able to win in MA.  It's not who he is politically.  Perry is a very good fit for Texas, however: a mostly hands-off Governor, fiscally conservative, who doesn't get too riled about much of anything.  When he does get riled, or even pushed off balance, he's not as great as I'd like, but he's been excellent for Texas- and I happen to believe he would be excellent for the US, as well.

Tempering your political views is not admitting that you would never even consider a Muslim for a high-level post in your Government.  Or, perhaps, it's not being stupid enough to call anyone who opposes your in-state tuition bill "racist."  It is not saying, "I like mandates.  Mandates work."

Bet he is smart enough to hire the people to tell him who the President of Fuckistan is.

Just how he was smart enough- in 2 years- to hire someone to explain the basics of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and "Right of Return?"  These are not new things, they're things he should have been conversant about long before he got on a national TV program to talk about his candidacy.

I'm not saying he'd be bad.  I'm saying I don't have enough faith in him to give him my vote in the primary (unless Perry and Newt are both out).

260 Is there anyone left in the N/E ? I thought they all moved south to finish the Civil War. This time with their libtard votes.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 01:25 PM (ZDUD4)

We are getting quite a problem with friggin' Yankee leftard migration pollution, similar to Clusterfuckistan migration to Colorado. We should notify the EPA...

261 A pithy reply. However, I have a lisp.


Now, that's funny.

262 I am allergic to wool.
Posted by: A Sheep. I am a 99%er

*snicker*

263

Perry Krishna!  I love it.

 

This is the new Gold Standard in political invective.  Other candidate supporters, time to up your game.

 

Let's see:

Paulyps? Paul Pots?

I got nothing for Romney and Cain guys.  Someone give me a hand.

264 Krispy Kreme Christie to support Romney, huh? Like we say in Texas, water seeks its own level.

265 Don't waste time arguing with people who say they won't vote for candidate X in the general election.  At this point its mostly just a meaningless game of chicken campaign tactic, with a little bit of Moby FUD and concern trolling thrown in.

266 I guess Chris Christie is now worse than Hitler according to some of the foamy-mouthed loons losing their shit in this comment section right now.

Get this straight, people: Rick Perry had his chance.  He had people like me -- people whom you regularly accuse of being hateful RINO dicks eager to sell out the nation to the New York Times -- lining up behind him and ready to go for, as Buckley always said, "the most conservative electable candidate." 

And he blew it.  Well, he's blown it up until this point, absent an amazing turnaround that I don't anticipate coming but will welcome if it happens.  We're left with Romney vs. a guy who every conservative reflexively like (Cain) but has absolutely no experience and would be made mince-meat in a general election.  The answer, by default, is Romney.  Throw tantrums all you want, but that explains why people like Christie (who I would go to war for) are lining up behind Romney, despite what you all shriek about him being putatively worse than Barack Obama, the new liberal Satan or somesuch.  Guess what?  I don't think that's what Romney would be.  I think he's taken moderate positions in the past merely because he had to get elected in Massachusetts, and unlike you guys I accept the reality that this is what politicians have to do in different regions.  It's a lot harder to try and make a go of it as a Republican or conservative in Massachusetts than it is in Alabama.  I think that, given a GOP congress and the problems we face on the horizon, he'll do the right things -- not just because he IS a technocrat who probably has genuinely good ideas when it comes to fixing the huge fucking mess we're in, but because he'll have a conservative legislature nipping at his heels.  And I'm totally cool with that. 

No President is going to go against his own party in Congress the way you people anticipate him doing.  The Democrats are going to be a super-minority, and the media will hate his fucking guts like they do EVERY Republican: what logic has a President Romney "selling out" to appease these people (who he doesn't even like!) over us?  None, except a gut level child-pounding-his-fists tantrum that some folks here are having. 

267

Perry Krishna!  I love it.

 

This is the new Gold Standard in political invective.  Other candidate supporters, time to up your game.

 

Let's see:

Paulyps? Paul Pots?

I got nothing for Romney and Cain guys.  Someone give me a hand.

 

Well Romneybot for one, or Romulan.  Got to Redstate.com for cutting edge insults on Romney supports.  Cainiacs is sure to make an appearance.

 

 

268 "All Obama's appointments remain in place. If you like your Eric Holder, you can keep your Eric Holder.

Obama simply does nothing and all the Bush tax cuts sunset. Everyone's taxes get raised.

Obamacare kicks in. No repeal.. no waivers... it kicks in big time.

So, for all you who say you'd rather sit home than vote for Romney - there is your future. I hope you are real happy with it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 11, 2011 01:28 PM (f9c2L)

 

 

 

what on earth makes you believe that Romney will stop any of that? there is no evidence he, none whatsoever, only your belief that he will, on the other hand there is plentiful evidence to support the idea that we will not stop any of things you mention.

Mittens is who he is, and he is a progressive-lite.

269

Jeff B.,

my concern with Romney is that its much harder to be insurgent and intransigent against your own president than it is against the other party's president.  And I want my tea party congressmen to be pretty insurgent and intransigent.

That's why, even though what you say about Cain is true, I'm still backing him until he blows it.  I'm hoping he comes through the pressure cooker a tested and proved candidate.

But you're right that Christie attacks are laughable.

270 >>>Romney must have promised to fund his re-election campaign.

Yes, that's right.  EVERY person who endorses Romney has to have been "bought off" by Romney's nefarious Wall Street money.  Don't people get tired of this dead trope?  When Herman Cain endorses Romney, will he have been paid off too?  Was Jeff Flake paid off?  Jason Chaffetz?

What part of "he's conservative enough and he can win" is so hard to understand?  Why the reflexive need to search for ulterior motives?  I suspect it's because it hurts psychologically so much to acknowledge that lots and lots of conservative people are using a different calculus than the one that matters so much you.

271 log₃(9) + log₃(81)

272

Well Romneybot for one, or Romulan.  Got to Redstate.com for cutting edge insults on Romney supports.  Cainiacs is sure to make an appearance.

 

Romneybot is a hack insult.  I've heard better from my 4-year old. 

Romulan is at least funny, though the actual Romulans were known for being aggressive, honor-ridden loonies--I don't see any real connection to Romney or the type of person who supports him. 

Cainiac is OK, but its too much a derivative of McCainiac, and, again, the type of person who was hot for McCain and the type whose hot for Cain are pretty different.

273 By the way, Romney's people probably think that a win for Cain is a win for Romney.  They may not figure out that Cain is for real until its too late.

274

what on earth makes you believe that Romney will stop any of that? there is no evidence he, none whatsoever, only your belief that he will, on the other hand there is plentiful evidence to support the idea that we will not stop any of things you mention.

Mittens is who he is, and he is a progressive-lite.

 

Mitt Romney vetoed approximately 1,000 bills passed by the ultra-liberal Massachusetts legislature in only FOUR YEARS.  About 800 were overturned.

If Mitt is such a progressive - ultra-liberal - socialist, why would he do such a thing.  Those legislators were his left wing brethren.  It would seem he would want to do everything he could to curry favor with them.

 

275 I guess Chris Christie is now worse than Hitler according to some of the foamy-mouthed loons losing their shit in this comment section right now.

Said Jeff B., who is never, ever a foamy-mouth loon losing his shit in the comment section.

276 280, LMAO

277

"he's conservative enough and he can win"

 

what some consider "conservative enough" is "not conservative at all" to others, you RINOs my believe that everyone thinks like you, but they don't and we are enough to swing an election.

if all you are going to give us is the power to destroy, then I and others will use that power.

the Glory Days of the Free-Range RINO are coming to an end.

 

just accept it and move on.

278 What part of "he's conservative enough and he can win" is so hard to understand?

Because Jeff, neither of those statements are true.

279 what on earth makes you believe that Romney will stop any of that? there is no evidence he, none whatsoever, only your belief that he will, on the other hand there is plentiful evidence to support the idea that we will not stop any of things you mention.

Okay, slowly now:

1.) HE HAS PROMISED HE WOULD REPEAL OBAMACARE.  Even though, as a technical matter, it's not something he can do -- the House & Senate need to send the bill up to him.  But, and I want you to answer this *seriously* now, do you think he's going to VETO that?  You think he's going to rip off his mask and reveal the lizard-person underneath, and shout "BWAHAHAHA I SHALL VETO THE REPEAL OF OBAMACARE!"  No.  Of course not.  You're utterly retarded to even allege this.  You should be *ashamed* of getting so bent out of rational shape with your hatred that you've lost control of your mental faculties to the point where you think this is even remotely possible. 

2.) HE HAS TO GOVERN AS A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE HE WAS ELECTED AS ONE.  He has a four year term and then must run for reelection.  What do you think he's going to do, piss down the throats of conservatives so that his party will get murdered in the midterms, then run for reelection as a Democrat?  Again, you're verging on 9/11 Trutherism in your logical reasoning if you think this is plausible.  But I suppose hatred can lead a man to any conclusion.

280 Okay, slowly now: Go Slower, your still not making any sense.

281 >>>Go Slower, your still not making any sense.

Of course it makes sense.  If you disagree, tell me why.  And don't just dully repeat the same assertions that I rebutted earlier, but explain why my answer is incorrect.  Maybe I missed something; I don't have a monopoly on the truth or anything (despite the way I often express myself!).  But make a case instead of just writing the rhetorical equivalent of "so's your mamma!"

Your "comeback" indicates, in fact, that I make perfect sense to you...it's just that you're unwilling to accept the conclusion because it leads you to a place you don't want to be.  Which is fine: you're perfectly free to say "you're right logically, but fuck it I am ruled by my emotions and my emotions tell me to vote Obama over Romney."  But then at least we'll have taken your proper measure as a man, a conservative, and a patriot.  And there will be no more illusions about what you TRULY prioritize in politics.

282

275 >>>Romney must have promised to fund his re-election campaign.

What part of "he's conservative enough and he can win" is so hard to understand? 

 

JeffB, I don't think the Romulan can win his home state. If you have evidence that he can please advise. Otherwise, don't count on the base to perform like lemmings. We did that with McCain - who BTW won his home state.

283
1.) HE HAS PROMISED HE WOULD REPEAL OBAMACARE. Even though, as a technical matter, it's not something he can do -- the House & Senate need to send the bill up to him. But, and I want you to answer this *seriously* now, do you think he's going to VETO that? You think he's going to rip off his mask and reveal the lizard-person underneath, and shout "BWAHAHAHA I SHALL VETO THE REPEAL OF OBAMACARE!" No. Of course not. You're utterly retarded to even allege this. You should be *ashamed* of getting so bent out of rational shape with your hatred that you've lost control of your mental faculties to the point where you think this is even remotely possible.

2.) HE HAS TO GOVERN AS A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE HE WAS ELECTED AS ONE. He has a four year term and then must run for reelection. What do you think he's going to do, piss down the throats of conservatives so that his party will get murdered in the midterms, then run for reelection as a Democrat? Again, you're verging on 9/11 Trutherism in your logical reasoning if you think this is plausible. But I suppose hatred can lead a man to any conclusion.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 01:45 PM (XonkM)

 

1. answer - yes

2. answer - yes

 

because that IS who Romney is.

284 2.) HE HAS TO GOVERN AS A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE HE WAS ELECTED AS ONE.  He has a four year term and then must run for reelection.  What do you think he's going to do, piss down the throats of conservatives so that his party will get murdered in the midterms, then run for reelection as a Democrat?

Jeff, don't pretend you wouldn't be screaming at us to vote for him or the Democrats would win again.

Again, you're verging on 9/11 Trutherism in your logical reasoning if you think this is plausible.  But I suppose hatred can lead a man to any conclusion.

What, that a politician lies to get elected and then governs in a way to try to not make waves?  Yeah, really crazy theory, that.

The insane theory is believing that a guy who has said anything to get elected in the past is suddenly, this one time, sincere, and contorting yourself to believe he will govern like a hard-right conservative.

285

#289

thank you

286

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 01:45 PM (XonkM)

Once again, you try to box anti Romney folks into being Hysterical... when we are nothing of the sort.

Based on his PAST, he has been known to change positions... and you now want us to trust that he will keep his CURRENT positions.

He has no huge agenda as either a Conservative, or a Progresive.... he is a go along to get along kind of guy.... and he would go along and get along just long enough so that we can't make the fundamental changes this country needs to survive...

Washington, IMO, is broken... and the Old Guard insiders, are attempting to repulse the TEA party barbarians who are at the gates... Romney is part of the Old Guard... he is NOT what we need...

Folks are so focused on beating Obama, that they foget WHY we want to beat him.... and thats so we can FIX some stuff...

You are attempting to make the choice between an Old Washington Status quo, where we die without anyone really trying to stem the wounds... and someone who is wounding us futher....

We want a different option.

287

>>>1. answer - yes

>>>2. answer - yes

No, sorry, not enough.  You need to explain to me how exactly this would play out.  You can't blindly assert "of COURSE Romney would do all these truly evil things that I accuse him of, because that's just who he is, dude!"  What possible scenario can you propose where Congress sends a "Repeal Obamacare" veto to President Romney's desk...and he VETOES it? 

Because here's a hint: if you can't explain plausibly how and why this could happen, it won't.  Even if there were such things as Iago-like Shakespearian supervillains in real life (there aren't), Mitt Romney sure as shit isn't one of them. 

The fact that you assert this -- I honestly don't think you truly believe it, I believe you're just playing "internet tough guy" to prove how Truly Burning Bright With The Flames Of Conservative Purity you are -- tells every other reader that you're not a serious person. 

I mean, I'm a pompous condescending prick, to be fair, but better that than a retard or a poseur at least.

288 The loonies are out today.  Did the gov. pass a snakehandling ban or something.

289

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:01 PM (XonkM)

Its simple... Romney has no real convictions... and once he is dropped into the Beltway, where EVERYONE is a Government spending addict... he will 'go with the flow' and moderate his views... just like he has before to get elected Gov..

He will listen to the Washington Pundits, and insiders... and do what he is TOLD is possible... which is NOTHING.

There will be no change... which will doom this country IMO.

290 No, sorry, not enough.  You need to explain to me how exactly this would play out.  You can't blindly assert "of COURSE Romney would do all these truly evil things that I accuse him of, because that's just who he is, dude!"  What possible scenario can you propose where Congress sends a "Repeal Obamacare" veto to President Romney's desk...and he VETOES it?

Jeff, I know you think you are Nostradamus, but you aren't.  None of us are.  All we can judge by is record.  You, instead, are hysterically screaming that Romney wouldn't veto a repeal of Obamacare (which is a non sequitor) as if it's 100% truth and demanding we 'prove' to you that your vision of the future is wrong.

Firstly, remember the guiding credo of our GOP betters is "Repeal and Replace," and that Mitt the moderate would be the chief replacer.  His last attempts at fixing a Health care system sucked.  That's in his record.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, Mitt wouldn't expend capital on repealing Obamacare.  As president he sets the agenda.  He'll sign his stupid waiver then move on to other items.  I can say this because it's the style of governance he's shown in the past.  All you have is a theory that Mitt won't 'betray' us because it doesn't fit in your conception of politics for somebody to do that.

291 Where did anybody hear Romney promise to veto Obamacare? All I've heard is him vow to allow each state to decide whether to reject it or not. Well, fuck that! I live in California. It's a sure thing that California wants it. So, I repeat. Fuck that plan, and fuck Romney.

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Jeff, I know you think you are Nostradamus, but you aren't.  None of us are.  All we can judge by is record.  You, instead, are hysterically screaming that Romney wouldn't veto a repeal of Obamacare (which is a non sequitor) as if it's 100% truth and demanding we 'prove' to you that your vision of the future is wrong.

Romney does have a history of issuing a vast number of vetos.  Except for the fact that they were against a Massachussetts Dem legislature.

All you have is a theory that Mitt won't 'betray' us because it doesn't fit in your conception of politics for somebody to do that.

Please give me an example of Mitt "betraying" anyone when it came to his record of governance?  What were his broken campaign promises?

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JeffB, I don't think the Romulan can win his home state. If you have evidence that he can please advise. Otherwise, don't count on the base to perform like lemmings. We did that with McCain - who BTW won his home state.

 

Can Romney win his home state?  Why should he be expected to?  He's a Republican.  The last Republican to win that state was Reagan in 1984.  The last before him was Eisenhower in 1956!

 

 

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"No, sorry, not enough. You need to explain to me how exactly this would play out."

 

who died and made you King?

 

I don't owe you anything.

295 Romney does have a history of issuing a vast number of vetos.  Except for the fact that they were against a Massachussetts Dem legislature.

This isn't really relevant.

Please give me an example of Mitt "betraying" anyone when it came to his record of governance?  What were his broken campaign promises?

You are misreading me.  I think he just won't do anything with it after he signs his waiver, as in take any initiative.  And I don't think the GOP in congress will really do much with it either unless the president is the front man.  Mitt likes to check checkboxes and then move on.

However Mitt does like to make a lot of promises that he doesn't (or can't) deliver on.  In 2002 he was claiming he would clean out Beacon Hill.  That didn't quite go his way.

296 >>>Where did anybody hear Romney promise to veto Obamacare? All I've heard is him vow to allow each state to decide whether to reject it or not. Well, fuck that! I live in California. It's a sure thing that California wants it.

He's said that Obamacare must be repealed at every single debate so far.  Every single one.  Have you watched any of them?  Because that's the only way you could have missed this.  His spiel is twofold: 1.) Obamacare must be repealed; 2.) But because I can't do that immediately, without action by Congress, what I WILL do on Day 1 is issue a 50 state waiver.

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Can Romney win his home state?  Why should he be expected to? 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 02:18 PM (b68Df)

It is very rare for a candidate who doesn't win their home state to win the general election.  It's why candidates from swing states are optimum.

As an example, if Gore had won Tennessee, he would have been president.

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Until my candidate Rick Perry is either defeated in the primaries or quits the race, I'll support him.

However, anyone who says they will stay home and not pull the lever for the GOP nominee against Obama is nothing more than a supporter of Obama, because that is the beneficiary of your staying home and not voting.

Lots of military cemetaries full of people who gave you the right to vote. It's sort of stupid for you not to vote.

299

And by "it's supposed to be almost exclusively on the economy" we mean all Perry N-Rock all the time.

Just wait.

300 I'd settle for Perry getting through the debate without insulting the conservative base.

Yep.

301 Perry's goal should be to complete the debate without screwing up. If he waffles and speaks in fumbled platitudes and non-sequiturs as he has in the other debates, he might be done. I'd try to keep my answers very short and very specific if I were him. Speak to the base, but do it calmly and with as little affectation as possible. There's no need for high flights of rhetoric here; he's got a good stump speech already, which is a better forum for that sort of product than the debates.

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The conservative base should stop being so thin skinned.  I will only vote for a President who will limit (all types) government spending (18% GDP) period; who will reduce the size of government and eliminate unnecessary departments and agencies; who will pare regulations to the core; who did not and will not fall for the AGW-evil-CO2 scam; who will not inflict a socialist medical program on the nation; who will secure the border first and completely; and who demands personal responsibility. 

I only see one candidate at present who has the creds in these areas.  Give me deeds, not pretty words.  I will not vote for a President who does not follow these principles and I will not accept a campaign plan or words.  I will not this time.  I will not this time.  If we have to have gridlock with a depressed Obama as President and a Congress and Senate investigating his ass all over the place, so be it.  I will not mark my ballot for socialist-lite.  That is what the code-word RINO is all about.  With liberty and freedom for all.

303 >>>I only see one candidate at present who has the creds in these areas.

Who is that, pray tell?

Let me guess: Ron Paul.

304 Sarah Palin - Defending the Republic - http://tinyurl.com/6bdpfvz

305 These candidates tonight need to powwow and agree to NOT discuss OCCUPY beyond a consensus statement.

They've GOT to show some Fred Thompson "then I won't show my hand" guts because the "moderators" are going to harangue on OCCUPY as if that's "the economy".

Take a political lawyer's advice. Answer the question they should have asked instead of the question they ask.

306 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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Forgive me but I am on a two week vacation and do not have a CLUE as to what channel the debate is on tongiht. Assistance please - time and channel???

 

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