1 Foist?

2 has anyone read/heard anything about Loughner's parents/family?  I mean what the hell?....you can't tell me they did not know this boy was off his rocker.

3 Fire a Democrat, gain a lobbyist.
 
Yes, the word fire has violent overtones and will soon be criminal to use.
 
Here comes the rush to collect on those 'yes' health care votes.

4 Another day of slander coming up.  I don't think I'll be watching the 'news' for a few more days.  My blood pressure is too precious to be squandered on the musings of imbeciles and sociopaths.

5 The whining on Morning Joe is too much to take

6 Secretary Gates is in China "smoothing ruffled feathers"  according to Fox.  They have agreed to set up a "working group."

Anyone who can illuminate this non-informational story,  please feel free to do so.  I report what I hear.

7 There is an excellent article in (of all places) Mother Jones.   It is an interview with a male friend of Louughner's who details his increasingly bizarre behavior over several years.  It is completely without politics.

8 So, how will the Weasel-in-Chief prevent this latest "crisis" from going to waste? a. The "fairness" doctrine? b. "Hate Speech" legislation? c. More restrictions on gun ownership for law-abiding citizens? My vote is (d) "all of the above". Any others?

9 Hell, he exhibited every textbook sign of schizophrenia to the point that a student of Psych 101 could have diagnosed him

10 Moved post

Snow is coming down heavy now. It is the opposite of what the idiots predicted. They said heavy snow overnight followed by sleet after sunrise.

We got heavy sleet overnight followed by heavy snow.

I will be in and out. Will be an AOS day. Sitting in the rocking chair drinking beer watching the snow come down and listening to old music on the new headphones wifey got me for Christmas (Bose noise canceling).

11 So, how will the Weasel-in-Chief prevent this latest "crisis" from going to waste? a. The "fairness" doctrine? b. "Hate Speech" legislation? c. More restrictions on gun ownership for law-abiding citizens? My vote is (d) "all of the above". Any others? Posted by: Nighthawk at January 10, 2011 08:17 AM (02uN6) Outlawing all opposition parties since ya know they are the "Enemy"!

12 nighthawk....the banning of all conservative radio talk shows followed by public hangings of the hosts

13 2 has anyone read/heard anything about Loughner's parents/family? I mean what the hell?... Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:13 AM (lFt0D) I'm guessing that he is from a "non-traditional" family, so we're probably not going to hear anything about it. At least not from the MFM.

14 It is completely without politics.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 10, 2011 08:16 AM (Fo83G)

I think I read that article on Yahoo last night.  If it's the same one, the friend talk more about Loughner's substance abuse...nothing about politics.  My guess is if you asked Loughner right now about Sarah Palin, his response would be, "Sarah who?"

15 Reposting this from the ONT:

From: The NY Daily News:

Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.

Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.

Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Pics at link:  http://tinyurl.com/27mpeur

16 12 nighthawk....the banning of all conservative radio talk shows followed by public hangings of the hosts Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:20 AM (lFt0D) I doubt he'd go through with the hangings. He'll probably just send them to Gitmo and have them water-boarded. To the cheers of the MFM no doubt.

17 Nighthawk...the only thing I heard was that his mom worked for the school district in some capacity.

18

re 8:

B

Just was PA Dem Rep Robert Brady on Fox discussing hs legislation to outlaw use of "bullseye/target" against candidates... he did admit that both sides did it.

19 Nighthawk...the only thing I heard was that his mom worked for the school district in some capacity.

Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:23 AM (lFt0D)

Arizona Natural Resources - Parks and Rec.

20 Here is a response to the call for civility http://tinyurl.com/237dt63

21 A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others. Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges. A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal. Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups. Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2011 08:21 AM (VuLos) The MFM will cite this as proof positive that Loughner is a (right wing) "Religious Fanatic"

22 another thing that is grating on me is this "moment of silence" the president is going to "lead" us in.  Don't get me wrong, I am a christian woman and understand the need for prayer for healing.  But to be honest this is just rings hollow to me.

23

Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2011 08:19 AM (M9Ie6)

Good luck. I hope you don't have to go anywhere. It's snowing here, should get around 6, 7 inches. But that I can put up with. It's the sleet that's a killer.

24 Derp. I meant this

25 I'm surprised this has actually had any legs to be honest (the commie shooting incident). The Bloomidiot comments went down the memory hole quick as fuck.

26

A.  We have few, if any, protections against the mentally unbalanced who seek to do harm to others.  The entire sweep of history tells us this.

B.  I will cede not one inch of ground about the "civility" nonsense after I have witnessed the vitriol that the left has spewed.  In addition, since they tend to play fast and loose with what we say--I'm even more reluctant to ignore their idiocies.

27

um, should headlines be 01-10- 2011

Description of the home [Fox] where the gunman lived with his parents.

Two run-down jalopies outside the house along with a front walkway littered with empty paint buckets and a garden hose blocked the walkway and door while the entire front yard is covered in a tangled cactus tree.

28 18 Nighthawk...the only thing I heard was that his mom worked for the school district in some capacity. Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:23 AM (lFt0D) Arizona Natural Resources - Parks and Rec. Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2011 08:25 AM (VuLos) I saw those reports too, but I agree with others here that it is very unusual that we haven't seen anything about his family in the news. Usually in situations like this the MFM is all over the shooter's family like white on rice, but in this case not so much. Which leads me to believe that his family is from one of the MFM "protected classes".

29 So this anti government group was on some show over the weekend and said they have NO records of Loughner... never sent him anything ect.
Plus that group is like in Ohio or someplace.

Why is the media still reporting that he was a part of this group when he was not?

Oh yeah.. the Sheriff wants him to be. 

Sorry families of the victims... .....  the sheriff wants to play politics with your loved ones deaths...

30 Oh crap, I've overslept by a year!

31 Occult?  Well then we should blame COD instead of Palin.

32 Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups. It was that witch Christine ODonnell-Palin. Burn her.

33 Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:20 AM (lFt0D)

You have to admit that political discourse will be much calmer and more civilized without that pesky "opposition" voice that so many people find distasteful. Just read any description of Stalin's meetings and you will get a taste of it. Everyone was calm, rational and in complete agreement.

So what's the problem?

34

On another topic:

My Antichrist meter just nudged off zero again.  And, if a cabinet agency is searching for a mission like this, doesn't it indicate that maybe its of no use? 

35 Nighthawk....you are probably right

36

it's

Dammit.

37 Which leads me to believe that his family is from one of the MFM "protected classes".

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 10, 2011 08:31 AM (02uN6)

I understand what you're saying but I'm trying to remember other shootings and I really don't recall the families of the shooters being interviewed.  I didn't see any media interviews of the family from the VT killer or Amy Bishop's family or the Discovery Channel shooter.  Then again, I don't really watch the news so I could have missed it.

38 Skulls and shriveled oranges are featured prominently at all the Tea Party events I've attended.

39 "They weren't real friendly," said the neighbor who described himself as 60 and retired. They mostly didn't talk to anyone and mainly stayed inside. "Loners," he called them. from foxnews.com Another neighbor, Anthony Woods, who was three years behind Loughner in school, said the father in the household was argumentative. Woods said the dad would complain about everything from neighbors' trash cans on the street to standing too close to his property by the fence. Woods said law enforcement interviewed the mother and father at the Loughner house Saturday night.

40

About the parents... same article Fox.... Passed FBI background check

The memo also includes information about the suspect's mother, who works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors.

Loughner lives with his parents in a Tucson neighborhood that one neighbor described as part of an area that is notorious for "stash houses" for Mexican gangs to bring drugs into the U.S. and store them. 

Another neighbor directly across from the home also did not want to give his name, but said a mother, son and father live at the house.

Another neighbor, Anthony Woods, who was three years behind Loughner in school, said the father in the household was argumentative.

Woods said the dad would complain about everything from neighbors' trash cans on the street to standing too close to his property by the fence. Woods said law enforcement interviewed the mother and father at the Loughner house Saturday night. 

41 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 10, 2011 08:28 AM (B+qrE)

A. Clearly, what is needed is more restrictive gun control laws, especially in AZ, where pretty much anyone can go into a supermarket and buy a machine gun. And then maybe we should spend some money on mental health! hat poor boy wouldn't have done this had he been given good care. Obamacare will fix that.

B. The left is just being hyperbolic. It's the right that causes the problems, because they are the ones who have the guns and the bombs, and the talk show hosts who goad people into using them.

42 I use shriveled orange peel in my potpourri  Not sure what that says about me?

43 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 10, 2011 08:34 AM (B+qrE)

Oh, it has a use. The problem is that the use is dangerous to those silly little things called "rights" that all of us fascist bitter clingers seem to obsess over.

George Orwell was a very smart man.

44

Description of the home [Fox] where the gunman lived with his parents.

Two run-down jalopies outside the house along with a front walkway littered with empty paint buckets and a garden hose blocked the walkway and door while the entire front yard is covered in a tangled cactus tree.

Posted by: Carolyn at January 10, 2011 08:29 AM (NYjsM)

I wonder if he smoked dope with his parents.

45 Out, damned sock!

46 Anonymoose....or black listed Jodie Foster for inciting him

47 or black listed Jodie Foster for inciting him
Posted by: kawfy at January 10, 2011 08:42 AM (lFt0D)

Or just for being an absolutely awful actor.

48

Posted by: NJProgressive at January 10, 2011 08:39 AM (LH6ir)

Not falling for it this time, sorry.

49 Charlie...heh

50 I understand what you're saying but I'm trying to remember other shootings and I really don't recall the families of the shooters being interviewed. I didn't see any media interviews of the family from the VT killer or Amy Bishop's family or the Discovery Channel shooter. Then again, I don't really watch the news so I could have missed it. Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2011 08:37 AM (VuLos) Maybe not direct interviews, but the MFM usually does a profile of the shooter and his family. So far that profile has consisted of statements from just a couple of classmates- any information on Mr. and Mrs. Loughner has been conspicuously absent. If the kid's father had been a bus driver who once attended a tea party meeting you could bet that every time the MFM mentioned him he would be "Jared Loughner, son of a Tea Party activist..." But there's nothing. Why? The kid has parents, he wasn't knitted...

51 Satan doesn't even like oranges.

52 Inside Higher Ed has a link today showing that his parents accompanied him to his expulsion meeting at Pima CC.

Someone's saying this guy had a Flaming Skull _TM?
Morons, the heat is on. It's only a matter of time now.

The Thomas Szasz anti-institutionalization movement (and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest) left a really big ethical issue undiscussed: if the organs of government can't be trusted to make involuntary-commitment decisions (and there was a lot of evidence that they could not), who the hell is? It's easy for the neighbors to take a vote after the shooting stops. Up until then, the rest of us have a disconcerting prejudice to err on the side of caution. 

The old "conservative" liberals who built and manned the mental-institution cultural control edifice responded to the assault of gen-1 libertarianism with classic passive-aggression: "OK, here's your crazies, out on the street. Hope you're happy with them. " The 'fabric' of American 'life' changed the next morning. It happened just that fast.

53 But there's nothing. Why? The kid has parents, he wasn't knitted...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 10, 2011 08:44 AM (02uN6)

When all their on air time is spent blaming Palin and the Tea Party there's no time left for a family profile.

But you're right....it's weird but not surprising.

54 joanie... are you speaking for satan?/

55 Satan doesn't even like oranges.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at January 10, 2011 08:46 AM (HaYO4)

right, but I think Sarah Palin has had an orange and also may have fed oranges to her children.

56 timbo well if sarah fed oranges to her children and even had an orange herself....that blows the sarah is satan theory.......

57 I really don't give a damn whether Loughner is an apolitical nut job, he is a lefty loser, or whether he shares my beliefs exactly.  Blaming the speech in the current environment is completely dangerous.  Kittehs on the left.

58

"are you speaking for satan?"

Yes. Now buy me a pony or I'll give Justin Bieber warts.

59 I'll bet we are going to find out later this week that the parents are registered Democrats and the mom is politically active--after the MFM has extracted every bit of advantage they can from this crime.

60

SNOW DAYZ!!

And by "snow" I mean some ice on top of a dusting of snow. Stopped in the night and the sidewalk and street are almost completely dry.

But they canceled everything yesterday anyway.

61 Description of the home [Fox] where the gunman lived with his parents.

So there is a father!  Do we have a link?

In other news, we went out for dinner last night and because I was collecting a free birthday meal, they brought me a tin-foil hat to wear.  It didn't make the voices stop, but it did make me giggle.

62 But you're right....it's weird but not surprising. Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2011 08:47 AM (VuLos) Unfortunately it is not surprising. I just saw some info above that the guy's father is apparently a real S.O.B. so maybe it's just a case of the MFM being too lazy and skeered to deal with a difficult person to get a story. Unfortunately that's very common as well.

63 .......i think aside from being completely nuts...this guy might also bat for the other team.....iykwimaityd......

64
well if sarah fed oranges to her children and even had an orange herself....that blows the sarah is satan theory.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2011 08:50 AM (eOXTH)

Headline:   Sarah Palin challenges Satan by eating and encouraging Loughner to eat oranges. 

65 has anyone ever seen soros eat an orange?

66 When will be once again blame the responsible party and no one else.  It ain't tea-partier's fault, Palin's fault, his parent's fault, or his 3rd grade teacher's fault; it is Loughner's fault. Period.

67 It's becoming more and more difficult for me to remain agnostic about Palin. If the retard Left continues this sort of thing, she'll be our next President.

68 62 I'll bet we are going to find out later this week that the parents are registered Democrats and the mom is politically active--after the MFM has extracted every bit of advantage they can from this crime. Posted by: SurferDoc at January 10, 2011 08:50 AM (o3bYL) This. 65 .......i think aside from being completely nuts...this guy might also bat for the other team.....iykwimaityd...... Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2011 08:52 AM (eOXTH) And This. And that pretty much garauntees that this guy's "life story" will be spiked.

69 Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2011 08:55 AM (eOXTH)

not since Anita Bryant lost her OJ gig

70 64 Giggling, tin foil hats -- that's a pretty scary resume. Plus you hang out at a web site where cries of 'bring on the flaming skull' are common.
 
Do you know any spells?

71

We lost power for 3 hours yesterday--right after I'd asked a question on the book thread!

Then the TV station that was carrying the Eagles game lost power until the 3rd quarter.

72 46 That idiot ex-Congresscritter Boccieri (OH, defeated in Nov.) claims he's had death threats and implies that they and the AZ tragedy were the result of political action strategy (Palin, Boehner, et. al.) this past year. They're coming out of the woodwork, folks. I'm trying to find the link.

The Dems aren't wasting time in finding ways to use this shooting to further limit our 1st Amendment rights:

Dem planning bill that would outlaw threatening lawmakers (which I thought was already a crime?)

Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) reportedly plans to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress.

Therein lies the rub - the "perceived" threat.  Who determines that?  Is it like the definition of pron - you know it when you see it?

73 I unplugged this weekend and spent some time with the family.. What's been going on?

74 I'm getting a 'Wellstone Funeral' vibe this morning.  They've gone so overboard with the rhetoric that could be so definitively disproven as more information comes out that they're quite likely painting themselves as the rabid, rampant, and irrational partisans.  We'll see.

75 Top Comments 01-10-2010

Umm, Dave...

TIME GOES!!

76

I'm not sure how to link, sorry.

The FOX article is Suspect passed FBI background check.Under the article May seek Unabomber defense.

77 Two run-down jalopies outside the house along with a front walkway littered with empty paint buckets and a garden hose blocked the walkway

I don't see the required refrigerator listed so no way is this kid a red-neck bitter clinger. Oh, and there's no indication his house has wheels, either. Stuff it, MFM.

78

What's been going on?

I keep picturing someone who didn't read here over the weekend and will wonder if we've all gone off the deep end with this talk of 2x4 signs.

79 It ain't tea-partier's fault, Palin's fault, his parent's fault, or his 3rd grade teacher's fault; it is Loughner's fault. Period.

While you're right, people who knew he was a dangerous whackjob let him roam the streets and obtain a weapon.  It may not be their fault, but they had responsibilities they did not fulfill.

80

...... with this talk of 2x4 signs.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2011 09:02 AM (XdlcF)

STOP THAT

81 err sock off

82 Were they "Blood Oranges"   rimshot

Thanks, I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your severs!

83

2x4s??

FEAR WOOD

84

Hello from the Land Down Under on a warm, humid summer's night in Sydney

Only my 2nd attempt at a link here so fingers crossed - it's a nice doggie story with a happy ending

http://http://tiny.cc/b91z2

SARBI the bomb detection dog has seen a lot more action than most labradors.

Injured during a Taliban rocket propelled grenade attack in Afghanistan in 2008, Sarbi was last seen hobbling away from the firefight by SAS soldier Rob Maylor.....

85 Do you know any spells?

Nope...my crazy is the cat-lady variety, minus the insistance that the IRS allow me to list them as dependents.

86 62 I'll bet we are going to find out later this week that the parents are registered Democrats and the mom is politically active--after the MFM has extracted every bit of advantage they can from this crime.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 10, 2011 08:50 AM (o3bYL)

I can't find any political donations they've made to anyone of any party.  Doesn't mean they're not Dems.

87

goddangit I thought I fixed that.

 

great googley-moogley!

88 69 When will be once again blame the responsible party and no one else.  It ain't tea-partier's fault, Palin's fault, his parent's fault, or his 3rd grade teacher's fault; it is Loughner's fault. Period.

Posted by: dogfish at January 10, 2011 08:56 AM (6qPsd)

 

I agree that it is his fault and his fault alone. However, there were flaming red flags (no pun intended) that an intervention (placed into an asylum perhaps) should have occurred (should being operative word but laws probably would have or did prevent that). This was perhaps avoidable, and preventable, to some extent. But, yes I do agree bottom line it is all on him.

89 Beck is fighting back, right out of the gate.

GOOD!

90
Were they "Blood Oranges"

No they were naval oragnges.... as in Navy...... boats with big guns..... guns used for killing. 

DAMN YOU SARAH PALIN..... DAMN YOU TEAPARTIERS......WORLDS WORST PEOPLE!!!!

91 The Giffords kerfuffle in a nutshell:

LEFT WING: A Democratic politician was shot! ItÂ’s Sarah PalinÂ’s fault for inciting the shooter! And this is the inevitable result of hateful right-wing vitriolic speech!

RIGHT WING: Um, the guyÂ’s acquaintances say he was a left-winger, and if you look at his favorite books, he was apparently a Nazi Commie Buddhist. He was just nuts. Politics has nothing to do with it.

LEFT WING: Stop politicizing this tragedy!!!

92

Funny how the MFM had this guy labeled as a Tea Party extremist and Sarah Palin all but gave him the gun now that the facts are coming out about him the MFM is down playing his liberal political background. And that fucking sheriff owes an apology too

93

One more post and then I will go back to lurking, I promise.

While he sickens me, I was amazed at the demeaning description of his parents' home and it struck me that had they been any other color than white, the description would surely not have debased their social standing with such flippancy.

*Two run-down jalopies outside the house along with a front walkway littered with empty paint buckets and a garden hose blocked the walkway and door while the entire front yard is covered in a tangled cactus tree.*

Honestly, in this time of polical correctness, can anyone imagine a reporter describing a Hispanic or African American or Muslim suspect's/ parents' vehicles as 2 run-down jalopies?

94 YEAR LOST

95

>> 2 run-down jalopies

You're right.  Should be "2 beaters"

96 Therein lies the rub - the "perceived" threat.  Who determines that?  Is it like the definition of pron - you know it when you see it?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 10, 2011 08:58 AM (9hSKh)

That's why they love it so much.  This is exactly what the libturds need to sic the dogs on anybody who passionately disagrees with their bull crap.  You can bet that anybody who dares use the term "tyrant" will be slapped with this.  And that whole thing about refreshing the tree of liberty - that'll be right out.  You won't get much jail time in this country for actually killing or beating your neighbor, but disagreeing with the Liberals' efforts to destroy America will have you behind bars for years.

97

Patterico link in the sidebar reminds me that somebody here had asked why he wasn't blogging much. The answer is a trial and he said he has another coming up.

98 Whoa!  Beck said he spends $1 million a year for security.

99 This will probably be taken down shortly now that Jim Geraghty tweeted it.

100

Suspect passed FBI background check

Good lord.  Comforting to know that the FBI is now handling the investigation. not

101 While you're right, people who knew he was a dangerous whackjob let him roam the streets and obtain a weapon. It may not be their fault, but they had responsibilities they did not fulfill. Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 10, 2011 09:02 AM (4ucxv) And I think we will eventually find out that one of those people who failed to fulfill their responsibilities is Sheriff "Mecca of Bigotry". Which is why he keeps trying to pin the blame for the incident on Sara Palin and Rush Limbaugh.

102

While they are parading out the anit semite connection and not mentioning that Obama sat in the pews of Rev. Wright? Why is on one discussing the hate of the Nation of Islam as well?

Michelle Malkin has an excellent post today on all the hate spewed as well as acts of violence perpetrated bu the  left. 

103

standing too close to his property by the fence

Yeh, that sounds a little off, doesn't it?

 

104 OOOh, here is a maggot gagger Daily Beast article on Moochelle. A snippet:
 
It must also be maddening for her to stay clear of any visible role in policymaking when she is so smart and competent.

105 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 10, 2011 08:44 AM (B+qrE)

:-)

106 Rep Who Wants to Restrict Violent Language Keeps Photo of Himself in Boxing Gloves On Website

107

One more post and then I will go back to lurking, I promise.

Hey, stick around. We don't bite. Okay, well, I can't really say that, but most people have had their rabies vax.

108 Comforting to know that the FBI is now handling the investigation. not

Well, that ought to make it easier for them to fabricate an explanation for passing him on the background check.

109 but most people have had their rabies vax.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2011 09:18 AM (XdlcF)

Not me!  Vaccinations cause autism....or not.

110 103 This will probably be taken down shortly now that Jim Geraghty tweeted it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 10, 2011 09:14 AM (4ucxv)

 

Oh my!

111 Just for the record, liberals made it damn near impossible thirty years ago to do anything about a crazy person before he gets into trouble.

112 2 has anyone read/heard anything about Loughner's parents/family?
-------
WSJ says "Mr. Loughners parents have been unavailable since the shooting".

http://tinyurl.com/247ctbu

113

Ah, come on, Heather, that's totally a DEFENSIVE boxing glove. He wouldn't have to use it if it weren't for those meddling Tea Baggers!

114 Last night, I dreamed Sarah Palin was hitting on me. Hard. I think it's because of the deranged accusations flying around the last few days.

I'm gonna go troll some left wing sites looking for deranged accusations.

115 What a disgusting display by the mfm. I remember vividly when Reagan was shot. There was no immediate and endless attempt by the mfm to blame the political environment or hunt down left wing hate speech. They actually did their job and tried to find out what motivated Hinckley to commit what anyone would recognize as an insane attack. I don't give a shit what comes out of the squeakholes of idiots on DU or assclowns like Kos. They bathe in hate speech daily. But I have a real problem being lectured to by the cock suckers in the mfm about hate speech on the right while they blithely ignore the fact that this kid is a 9/11 truther, apparently met and held a personal grudge against Giffords, is an occultist, scared teachers to the point where they wouldn't turn their back on him and eventually had him kicked out of schools, had alienated his friends with his bizarre behavior, believed the government was using mind control to dominate the population and was obsessed with grammar and haven't been able to dig up a shred of information connecting this psycho with the political right or Palin. I blame the mfm with the escalation of tensions in this country between right and left far more than I blame any political movement.

116 Heads up....there is a fake Lougher voter registration card going around showing him as a registered Republican....Only they misspelled Tucson and got the congressional district wrong.

Idiots....

117 Huge Hefner taking playboy private.

glenn beck, willing to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with anyone willing to denounce violence.

118 including Barack Obama and Michael Moore (beck just said this on his radio show)

119 115 Just for the record, liberals made it damn near impossible thirty years ago to do anything about a crazy person before he gets into trouble. Posted by: SurferDoc at January 10, 2011 09:21 AM (o3bYL) And in just the last few years we have had this incident, the Virginia Tech incident, and they're just the ones that come immediately to mind I'm sure there are others. That's why I'm in favor of lunatic control instead of gun control. There are far fewer lunatics in the country than there are guns so they should be a lot easier to control. And, as you allude to, we were a lot safer back when the lunatics were controlled and the guns were not.

120 Oh and I misspelled Loughner....

Idiot.

121 I blame the mfm with the escalation of tensions in this country between right and left far more than I blame any political movement.

+1

122 Ah, McCarthy, she took the example of a clear racist Colin Ferguson shooting up, people, back in '94, to suppress all our liberties, hope the RINOs won't fall for it.

123

Only they misspelled Tucson and got the congressional district wrong.

You mean it wasn't really supposed to say

VOTE TCSN

?

 

124

has anyone read/heard anything about Loughner's parents/family?  I mean what the hell?....you can't tell me they did not know this boy was off his rocker.

good point. I know home prices are cheap, but I can't believe that kid in his twenties could own his own home in the area, especially because i doubt he could hold down a job

125

Another headline from OZ - please spare a thought for the 4 people dead, six missing - swept away in a terrible flash flood yesterday  

This is in Queensland which has an area under flood bigger than Germany and France combined

http://tiny.cc/ajmff

CARS were tossed around like corks and people clung to trees, signposts and anything within reach when Toowoomba's inland tsunami hit yesterday.

The torrent washed houses off their stumps, and snapped 4m-high trees at the base throughout the regional centre and into the Lockyer Valley.

Four people are dead - a woman and a boy died in Toowoomba, while a man and a male child were washed away from a house at Murphy's Creek. At least six people are confirmed missing, while dozens more remain stranded.

 

126

Giffords was a former republican and is a "conservative" democrat.

 

127 Nope...my crazy is the cat-lady variety, minus the insistance that the IRS allow me to list them as dependents.

Um, so you're saying you can't list  cats as dependents?  What if you've gotten them, um, SS#s.  Hypothetically speaking course.

128 While you're right, people who knew he was a dangerous whackjob let him roam the streets and obtain a weapon.  It may not be their fault, but they had responsibilities they did not fulfill.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 10, 2011 09:02 AM (4ucxv)

I think we're in agreement, but it is a dangerous place when we place any responsibility on the other parties for the shooting.  We live in a culture that has  devalued self control.

129

CNN Using Tragedy to Push Its "Arizona=Racist/Bigots" Meme

Keep it up, assholes.  Make it pretty.

130

Another headline from OZ - please spare a thought for the 4 people dead, six missing - swept away in a terrible flash flood yesterday  

This is in Queensland which has an area under flood bigger than Germany and France combined

 

Another issue not really talked about, but will affect you all economically. A lot of coking coal is mined in Austrailia, which the flood is slowing down or halting. As a result coking coal prices are expected to go up 33%.

For those of you not familiar. Coking coal is required to make steel and other metal products. So expect the prices to be passed on to you.

131 Only they misspelled Tucson and got the congressional district wrong.

I'd love for someone to use their federal social science[sic] grant to explore literacy vs. voting preference, but I'm pretty sure even asking the question get them kicked out of academia for racism.

132 It's strange. It's like the Right took the weekend off and ceded discussion to the MFM. Even The Corner posts on this subject elicited libtard crazy posts. Looks like that is starting to be a battleground.

133 they blithely ignore the fact that this kid is a 9/11 truther

He's one of those "moon hoaxer" fuckers, too.  I vote we begin judicial proceedings by sending in Buzz Aldrin to punch him in the face, followed by what's left of the entire Mercury through Apollo astronaut corps.  That's just a gentle hello to prepare him for the victim's families.

134

Bryan Preston thinks that Mark Penn is the one who said Obama should "deftly pin [the Arizona shooting] on the tea partiers.” 

http://tinyurl.com/27u94jo

Or at least he's calling Penn out to deny it.

135 E.J. Dionne's column today called for "Bi-partisan restraint on rhetoric". That is as close as the left will ever get to admitting that 95% of the dangerous loons are on their side.

136

FEAR WOOD

?????

I never had to.

137 You know, just when I start easing up on Hillbuzz and think they do some good work (rounding up the news on this shooting), they go ahead and do something I find completely unacceptable - use gay smears on politicians they don't like.

Guys, I do not care if Mark Kirk is a homosexual, closeted or not.  Keep your innuendos to yourselves. 

/end rant

138 it is a dangerous place when we place any responsibility on the other parties for the shooting.

I'm still not saying they're responsible for the shooting; I'm saying the shooting has uncovered things that other people ARE responsible for.  For example, there's a report that the shooter was investigated for making death threats, and another that the gun background check found he had no record.  If there was an investigation and it was not recorded, or the record was not given over to ATF, the person(s) responsible for records need to be held accountable.

139 By the way just so if anybody thinks that the Feds have learned ANYTHING from 9/11. Remember how all the Intels were suppose to share intelligence. Well this punk kid got shit canned by the Army. Obviously something turned up that disturbed the Army. But Later the FBI OKs him for a gun permit. Brilliant, just brilliant.

140

Last night on NBC news with Brian Williams:

(repost)

On NBC news - they gave a complete white-washed version of Loughner.  No mention of his favorite books.  If you list one of your favorite books as "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" - after killing 6 people - isn't that note worthy?

Isn't that a big deal?

NBC doesnÂ’t think so.  NBC did, however, bring the pathetically inaccurate and politically biased "Southern Poverty Law Center" in for a comment and another worthless whitewash.

141 One of the Comments on NRO really kind of made me sit up and think. They said this is how pogroms start.

Is this a new Reichstag? An excuse to start politcal oppression? It's really starting to look like it

142 "Bi-partisan restraint on rhetoric".

I hate the word rhetoric.

143 Miss maple = the Mother Jones article should be required reading

144 It'll be a cold day in Hell before the Pakistanis agree to this, but kudos to the Pope for calling for this anyway:

Pope calls on Pakistan to repeal blasphemy law

145 Michelle Malkin has an excellent reference on her site... lots of info to throw back at those on the left (pardon my violent rhetoric) who seem to think they've cornered the market on civility and tolerance.

146

But I have a real problem being lectured to by the cock suckers in the mfm about hate speech on the right while they blithely ignore the fact that this kid is a 9/11 truther, apparently met and held a personal grudge against Giffords, is an occultist, scared teachers to the point where they wouldn't turn their back on him and eventually had him kicked out of schools, had alienated his friends with his bizarre behavior, believed the government was using mind control to dominate the population and was obsessed with grammar and haven't been able to dig up a shred of information connecting this psycho with the political right or Palin.

In their minds, it's like the line from Forrest Gump where the guy excuses hitting the woman (IIRC) and says:

It's just this war and that lying
son of a bitch Johnson and...

Yeh.

 

147

I know it is probably too early for this, but you know why it is obvious that Loughner was not a menber of the Tea Party?

A real Tea Partier would have cleaned up the bodies and blood before they tried to leave.

 

148 Any poser can call for 'bi-partisan restraint'.  That is a cute way for a vicious partisan hack like Dionne to jack off his ego in public and look as if he is above the fray. 

149 Last night, I dreamed Sarah Palin was hitting on me. Hard.

I had one of those those the other night about Dennis Miller.  And he was gooooood, if a little talky.

And in just the last few years we have had this incident, the Virginia Tech incident,

As a college teacher, I can confirm that if this guy got himself kicked out of a community college, he had to have been weapons-grade crazy.  The benefit of the doubt is ALWAYS given to the student in this student-as-consumer college culture.  You would not believe what I have to go through to even get action on an open-and-shut plagiarism case.  Unless someone is shouting racial slurs, administrators will shrug and say that they can't do anything about it until a threatening student actually does something.

In the VA Tech case, Nikki Giavonni-- although I find her work and her politics detestable-- did stand her ground and got the shooter booted from her classroom because he was freaking everybody out, and a HUGE good for her on that.  Nobody listened when she warned admins about him. But it took someone of her stature in the academy to get it done.  A lowly adjunct like me would almost never get a response like that.

Teaching online is sounding really, really good right about now.

150 Well this punk kid got shit canned by the Army.

I thought the army denied this and said they never had an application from him.

151 Claire McCaskill Calls For Violence If Dems DonÂ’t Get Their Historic Tax Hikes

152 Fuck that midget Dionne. He hasn't had an interesting thought in 20 years

153 o/t The Kindle is a great reader but a lousy web browser. And innuendo is our stock in trade here, especially if it is clever and amusing!

154

Well this punk kid got shit canned by the Army.

I thought the army denied this and said they never had an application from him

last i heard is he failed the drug test

155 Radish is en fuego this morning!

156 I thought the army denied this and said they never had an application from him. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 10, 2011 09:45 AM (TpXEI) they denied he ever served. He was turned away at a recruitment center

157 If you list one of your favorite books as "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" - after killing 6 people - isn't that note worthy?

Careful.  He also listed Animal Farm and F451.

158 Anyone remember or have a link to when Chris Matthews blamed the JFK assination on right wing rhetoric?

159 Well this punk kid got shit canned by the Army. I thought the army denied this and said they never had an application from him last i heard is he failed the drug test Posted by: Ben at January 10, 2011 09:46 AM (wuv1c) And then the FBI says sure give a kid so stupid he toked up before trying to enlist a gun permit. What could possibly go wrong

160

The democrat's collective reaction to this shooting has been one of utter disgrace.

 

161 The core problem is similar to the VT shootings - once an individual is identified as having a mental issue; in this case by the PCC, there needs to be a referential record in the NCIC database. A future inquiry can't say "crazy" due to privacy concerns - but could say call the PCC for additional information before you hand this guy a gun, let him work on the flightline, or get to haul HAZMAT.

162 158 o/t
The Kindle is a great reader but a lousy web browser. And innuendo is our stock in trade here, especially if it is clever and amusing!
--------
So, by web browser you mean browsing your web?

Maybe you should have ordered the vibrating Hello Kitty cover...

163 Anyone remember or have a link to when Chris Matthews blamed the JFK assination on right wing rhetoric? Posted by: Ben at January 10, 2011 09:47 AM (wuv1c) Of course it was right wing rhetoric. That is why the shooter was whack job that defected to the Soviet Union?

164

I'd like to run a version of Milgram's experiment but with 'progressive' test subjects told to use electric shock to 'cure' the 'sick' brains of their political opposition.  I'll bet 95% go to x2 fatal dose of electricity. 

 

165 And then the FBI says sure give a kid so stupid he toked up before trying to enlist a gun permit. What could possibly go wrong

I thought the Army thing was in December.  When did he get the gun?

166 Actually I thought he jsut got the gun, not sure when the ARMY thing was, but I thought it was a year or so ago

167 Agree HeatherRadish.  It is just that all the ancillary finger pointing always comes up immediately like they have equal weight with the actual shooting.  The record issue example you use could just as easily happen for someone that would not go off shooting others, and even if their had been investigation of Loughner, that doesn't mean that would have stopped him from creating some future tragedy.

168 Obviously, we need to outlaw insanity.

169 The democrat's collective reaction to this shooting has been one of utter disgrace.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel

170 I think he was a habitual drug user, based on what his h.s. classmate said.  I doubt he's pee'd clean in years. 

171

134 Ben

Ýou're quite right - the coal industry in Queensland has been severely affected - flooding at the mines, plus impassable roads to get to the loading ports - it's disastrous for the Aussie economy - but hey, we're cutting all those nasty carbon emissions by keeping the stuff in the ground!

172

 Posted by: Aussie at January 10, 2011 09:31 AM (Aua15)

I've been praying for so many people lately, it's no trouble adding a few more to the list. But, on the other hand, I still hate all you Aussies for being in summer right now while I freeze my ass off.

173 I think he was a habitual drug user, based on what his h.s. classmate said.  I doubt he's pee'd clean in years. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 10, 2011 09:53 AM (pW2o

Wait....did he eat poppy seed muffins?

174  Michelle Malkin has an excellent reference on her site... lots of info to throw back at those on the left (pardon my violent rhetoric) who seem to think they've cornered the market on civility and tolerance.

Posted by: Gran

 

Excellent.  the left are so fucked up and hypocritical.  Disgusting.  They are a disease. & Madonna can go fuck herself - fucking ugly old witch.

 

175 Posted by: Elaine Benes at January 10, 2011 09:54 AM

Stop giving us the stumps!

176 I woke up more optimistic today.

177 Actually I thought he jsut got the gun, not sure when the ARMY thing was, but I thought it was a year or so ago

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 10, 2011 09:51 AM (0GFWk)

He got the gun in Nov and all they do is check your police record.  Guess what? He had none.

The jackass mouthbreathing Sheriff allowed him to be arrested multiple times w/o ever charging him and he has no record.

178 He got the gun in Nov and all they do is check your police record. Guess what? He had none. The jackass mouthbreathing Sheriff allowed him to be arrested multiple times w/o ever charging him and he has no record. Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2011 09:58 AM (M9Ie6) So Background checks and laws that are not worth the paper they are written on and moron Sheriff's who like to spout bullshit political theories? Sounds great to me

179 District Attorneys Charge people, not Sherrifs

180 Posted by: Filly at January 10, 2011 09:46 AM (t+B3

Last night on Batchelor he had one of his regulars, the guy based in Israel.  He was saying that the list of books struck him as a reading list for a college course.  So that led him to do some research about the guys' education.  I guess that would make sense since according to this guy he proudly proclaimed where he'd been educated or something, somewhere on the internet.  Anyway, wasn't listening so closely, lately ten things at once is becoming the norm, but, apparently this guy discovered something about the guy being involved in special school programs and the guest had some fascinating things to say.  Here's a link to Batchlor's website, the link to the podcasts is on the right, he usually puts them up in the early afternoon.

181 Truth is hate speech to those who hate having to acknowledge truth.

182 OK it is all over. Research has shown that the Arizona shooter once drank tea and their are stories that when he was 8 he was invited to a party.

Headline in NY Times:

TEA PARTY LINK FOUND IN SHOOTER'S PAST

183

The Kindle is a great reader but a lousy web browser.

That's putting it mildly. But the service is free...for now, so I'm glad it's there.

184 The democrat's collective reaction to this shooting has been one of utter disgrace.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at January 10, 2011 09:52 AM (KlAWi)

I suspect that every year they construct a playbook with different scenarios in it.  This was LK-1A (loon killer  scenario 1; A- kills Dem)

Action: No matter what else accuse Republicans, particularly any outspoken ones; accusation of inciting the loon to violence through political discourse. Remember lesson; silence your enemies

I am looking forward to the playbook page for GS-2

Government Shutdown; 2-  Budget fight

185 link to batchelor's site, sorry.

186 If there's absolutely no connection of this guy to any right wing causes, and an overwhelming proponderance of evidence from left wing calls to violence, and the hearse chasing doesn't achieve its desired effect, here will be the MFM backtrack;

"Both sides need to dial down the rhetoric". MFM elites will of course wash their hands of any blame, it's all the blogs, radio shows, and cable networks "on both sides"

Fuck them all

187 He was saying that the list of books struck him as a reading list for a college course.

Yeah, that occurred to me as well, especially when I saw The Republic.  PoliSci 101 as a liberal arts core, or something. It's entirely possible that he listed whatever was on the syllabus-- I mean, my PoliSci 101 reading list was quite similar, and he may even have had a crossover with a lit course, which would explain Animal Farm and F451.

Thanks for the link, curious.  I'd sure like to check that out, as knowing more about his education would be interesting.

188

177 Emily M

I've been praying for so many people lately, it's no trouble adding a few more to the list. But, on the other hand, I still hate all you Aussies for being in summer right now while I freeze my ass off.

Thanks Emily, it's not been a great summer so far here in Sydney - lots of rain and a few cool days - but no complaints after seeing videos of the disaster up north

Come for a holiday!

189

CNN Using Tragedy to Push Its "Arizona=Racist/Bigots" Meme

But CNN is balanced and middle of the road, with no political slant.

190

Come for a holiday!

Posted by: Aussie at January 10, 2011 10:10 AM (Aua15)

I plan to. Someday.

191 Posted by: Filly at January 10, 2011 10:08 AM (t+B3
in all honesty, I decided not to write what was said so as not to draw attention to it and somehow have it not put up.

192 Come for a holiday!

Can I come too?  I've had a crush on Australia for over a decade.  Perhaps I shall come with Dennis Miller.

193 dogfish--Law enforcement in a free society is it's usually reactive, rather than proactive. Until some crime takes place, everyone goes about their business (bureaucratic regulations may be different, depending on agency).  The perp may never have shot anyone, despite the earlier death threats, but he did. 

I just don't see what is gained by letting any malfeasance with the perp's criminal  records or lack thereof slide. We expect the shooter to take responsibility for his acts, why not expect other person(s) involved to take responsibility for their acts?

194 Anyway, I'm off to loathe the warm, dry Wisconsin weather. I hate all of you, bragging about your damn snow.

195

195 EmilyM

I plan to. Someday.

Quick! Before air travel for plebs is made super difficult!

196

The left is too willing to blame the right in part because they don't want to acknowledge that social services is a sham and these loonies are not being treated in any way. They say it takes a village...the village failed. But more importantly, the parents...with whom he loves, failed. Nobody but this kid and his parents are to blame. Him because he did the shooting, them because they failed to raise an upright kid. If that kid had a Chinese Mom a la the WSJ article on Saturday, this would not have happened.

197 Meant 'there' not 'their'

198

#189 Vic: You got it. Remember the OKC bombing and the black church burnings hoax of 1995?

I really do think the Commiecrats have these "Manchurian Candidates" and prefabricated stories set up in advance.

 

199 Well, Glenny just brought JarJar Binks into the issue.  All that's needed to be said on the issue... has been said.

200 Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 10, 2011 10:21 AM (mSwvC)

Okay,  the Manchurian Candidates is a long stretch. But the canned spin, graphics, material and the like is easily doable.

201 I posted this on the ONT and many probably have not seen it. It is BIG!

WOW & HOLY SHIT

http://tinyurl.com/2bmkwlj

Duke and Progress Energy planning merger!  This is huge folks. Both of these utilities are among the largest in the nation already. A merger will make them king kong.

202

197 Filly

You should have been in Oprah's audience one day last year when she announced she was taking everyone in the audience with her to OZ - and she did her show in December at the Sydney Opera House - we were in town that evening for our work Christmas do, and we thought the fireworks were for us, then we discovered that they were part of Oprah's show!

203

201  Interesting angle -- but yeah, I see where you're coming from; good point.

204 As I said earlier, AOS day today, in and out watching the white shit fall (*and drinking). As of an hour ago 5" on flat surfaces and still coming down hard.

This could shape up to be heaviest snow we have had since I have been here (33 years)

205 This could shape up to be heaviest snow we have had since I have been here (33 years)

Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2011 10:25 AM (M9Ie6)

Check your basement for Al Gore.

206 glad you decided to link to malkin's list of lefty hate.

207 @206, in the Holy Shit Dept, duPont is buying Pioneer HiBred corn seed company. Now you can really make some conspiracy points with that.

Filed under Madness of Crowds (and I remember this first from 11/22/63): after each of these national descents into garment-rending, the country and its newsmachine slowly awaken, look around dazed, backtrack a little to catch up...and every time, some big thing has passed them by. Seems unique to us and our Sgt-Peppers level of media self-awareness. Taking the US while it's navel-gazing would be easier than the Russkies dropping the big one at noon on a Saturday, when the sirens are all going off anyway.

I never go to candlelight vigils, having a vigil of my own to keep. My "thots'n'prairz!11!" are not so easily directed. Hope not alone in this.

208 No basement but its up to 6" now.

209 So Dave,

Got your cheerleader's ready for tonight's game?

210 From Twitter:

Wife of a senior White House official found in a burning car. Car was in a Capitol Hill garage. DC & Capitol police on the scene
27 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply



EDITED TO ADD

WestWingReport West Wing Report
Deceased identified as Ashley Turton, wife of White House liaison to the House of Representatives Dan Turton. She's a former Hill staffer
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

She also worked for Progressive Energy which is merging with Duke.  Perhaps this is the next thing we should be looking at?

211 Fake, but accurate. Oh, hold it, wrong narrative!

212 Bit of an error in the headlines. Medal of Honor recipients don't win the award, but are awarded the medal. The bit about former Senator Kerry should be changed to reflect that.

213 More ones, zeros and twos.
At least I don't have to use my toes.

214

PDS: Don't forget this beauty.

Palin hanged in effigy.

http://tinyurl.com/5h9cyh

It's this kind of uncivil discourse that's going to cause someone to snap.

 

215 Great p-shop from Weasel: http://sweasel.com/archives/7524 Really, if the progtards are so convinced the Right is violent and dangerous, why have they just spent the last two days standing in the fresh blood of their own Congresswoman calling us every name in the book?

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218 ...but it be nice to start it up again if that is the case.