January 17, 2011

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— Gabriel Malor

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 04:46 AM | Comments (148)
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"The Post Tucson Era" by Victor Davis Hanson relates this morning to Overnight's The Pain Issue

Good stuff. But cut to the chase. Been there, done that. Obama "I won" '08 victory was due to propagandizing well  intentioned idiots to blindly vote, NOT based upon records, but to vote based upon Hope for Change We Can Believe In (every voter mentally filling in the blank with the voter's own wish list to be magically, wonderfully fulfilled on demand).

Aside from Obama's initial radical platform video announcement, and his many private speeches and conservations with ideological radicals both elitist and ACORN and Union thugs, Obama's Campaign managed to propagandize Obama to be a leader towards national healing and peace. At this point, the public has been given exposure of Obama's work history including his two years abusing the Constitution from the Oval Office with antipathy for conservatives as his administration's official policy determinant.

So note well at this point forward exactly who is falling AGAIN for the "I am not an ideologue" call for conservatives to relinquish legitimacy. Apologists actually enable the furthering of authoritarianism in the name of "civility". 

Lulls and Storms   So to sum up: Obama just returned to his 2004 “no more red state/blue state” healing speech modes that would provide years of cover for the reality that he would soon become the most partisan senator in the Congress. I congratulate him on dispelling in a few minutes the entire leftist smear campaign. [Tucson Rally] He soon saw the results of his calming in the polls and, no doubt, his appetite for more was whetted — especially given that his base capitulated so easily and in such humiliating fashion, in a nanosecond going from sounding like Michael Moore to a calm Gandhi.




Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 04:47 AM (H+LJc)

2 /fürst

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 04:48 AM (H+LJc)

3 I guess high-minded Europeans are racist, too. The man that was beaten to death by the Danish guards, whose death was said to be ordinary and an everyday occurrence by the police, was Turkish. Hmmm.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 04:50 AM (2nGKd)

4 Isn't it sweet that GOP senators are going to sit with Dem senators at the SOTU speech? Just warms the little cockles, everywhere.

Posted by: Healed! at January 17, 2011 04:53 AM (JZBti)

5 I see on Twitter that the subject is being changed.  Now we are going to get "statesman" Obama with the Chinese visit.  (And how much money is being sucked from State for this dinner,  at the expense of something more important?)

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 04:53 AM (Fo83G)

6 #4  I am thinking DeMint isn't going to fall for this.  Nor most of the House.

Let them sit together.   I am taking notes for 2012. (Lugar,  this means YOU!))

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 04:54 AM (Fo83G)

7 Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 08:47 AM (H+LJc)

I posted this to you on the ONT before I realized this thread had gone up.

He soon saw the results of his calming in the polls
...

We're completely screwed if the public is so easily enthralled because of one stupid speech. 

"Awww, he gave a nice speech, I think I like him more now."  

Idiots.

Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2011 04:58 AM (VuLos)

8 Are you serious? WTH is wrong with them? They are such cowards! The shooting had NOTHING to do with political discourse r so-called vitriol, so NOTHING should change, including so-called uncivil rhetoric. This is exactly what Sarah Palin said. That woman has two more individual cajones than the GOP senators, including the men.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 04:59 AM (2nGKd)

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"Isn't it sweet that GOP senators are going to sit with Dem senators at the SOTU speech?"

I will not feel healed until I see them spooning.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at January 17, 2011 05:00 AM (HaYO4)

10 r = or. Oops.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 05:00 AM (2nGKd)

11 Loved Surber's piece.


Bite me, libs. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:02 AM (pW2o8)

12 And how much money is being sucked from State for this dinner,  at the expense of something more important?

Relax, it's all Chinese money anyway.

Posted by: nickless at January 17, 2011 05:02 AM (MMC8r)

13 We're completely screwed if the public is so easily enthralled because of one stupid speech. 

"Awww, he gave a nice speech, I think I like him more now."  

Idiots.

Posted by: Tami

 

This is why the poll question, "do you like Obama" is so important. Even when he was doing utterly stupid crap, his popularity numbers exceeded those of his policies. If he runs with this again, and if we run yet another clod who will roll over to the media, then we're done for another four.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 05:03 AM (R2fpr)

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Isn't it sweet that GOP senators are going to sit with Dem senators at the SOTU speech? Just warms the little cockles, everywhere.

especially in the cockle area.

This pisses me off to no end. This is a tacit acceptance that "political rhetoric" is responsible for Gifford's shooting, which we all know wasn't responsible at all.

I often say that the Republican party out of power is my favorite. They are always so principled and hard nosed.

They should tell the democrats to go piss up a tree.

Isn't it funny that when the Republicans destroy the Democrats that all of the sudden the democrats have these great reconciliation ideas. Specifically this one which spreads out the Republican party making it less obvious how large their majority is when they stand to clap?

If you haven't already, go read Don Surber's rant on reconciliation. I feel that same way. After what happened in the 2000 election and the years that followed, the democrats can f'ing bite me.  I've moved from wanting to beat them in elections, to wanting to crush them in election and undo everything they have done.

Posted by: Ben at January 17, 2011 05:03 AM (wuv1c)

15 Let them sit together. It means nothing.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at January 17, 2011 05:04 AM (z4es9)

16 Isn't it sweet that GOP senators are going to sit with Dem senators at the SOTU speech? Just warms the little cockles, everywhere.

Posted by: Healed! at January 17, 2011 08:53 AM (JZBti)

 

It's just amazing how after the new congress was sworn in how the Dems now want to be so friendly. As they stick a knife in the back

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2011 05:05 AM (1Jaio)

17 In Goodwin Liu's vision of America, do we need the legislative or executive branches? 

Posted by: nickless at January 17, 2011 05:06 AM (MMC8r)

18

Looking for a list of the RINOs who are on board for the SOTU speech n pajama party with the socialists.  I've seen McCain and Morecokeski.  And the Maine twins.  Anyone else we should know about?

My suggestion?  Those 4 should just cross the aisle permanently. this way the Stupid Party can't waste any more dough on them, much as they would like to.

Posted by: right field bleachers at January 17, 2011 05:07 AM (K/USr)

19 and if we run yet another clod who will roll over to the media, then we're done for another four.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 09:03 AM (R2fpr)

Well, they're not known as the stupid party for nothin'.

Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2011 05:08 AM (VuLos)

20 I am taking notes for 2012. (Lugar,  this means YOU!))

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 08:54 AM (Fo83G)


You and me both.  What a turd. 

Posted by: Timbo at January 17, 2011 05:11 AM (ph9vn)

21 8 Are you serious? WTH is wrong with them? They are such cowards! The shooting had NOTHING to do with political discourse r so-called vitriol, so NOTHING should change, including so-called uncivil rhetoric. This is exactly what Sarah Palin said. That woman has two more individual cajones than the GOP senators, including the men.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 08:59 AM (2nGKd)


Once again.. the R's are letting them write the narrative.

What a bunch of fools.  They fall for this shit everytime.

Posted by: Timbo at January 17, 2011 05:14 AM (ph9vn)

22 Beautiful people don't just get all the breaks, scientists say they're likely smarter than most people, too.
A study in England conducted by researchers at the London School of Economics found that attractive men and women generally have higher IQs.
"Physical attractiveness is significantly positively associated with general intelligence," said LSE lead researcher Satoshi Kanazawa, in the latest issue of the journal, Intelligence.
The study indicated attractive men have IQs that are 13.6 points above the average, while beautiful women are 11.4 points higher than average.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 05:14 AM (tvs2p)

23 I shall not watch the STFU speech.

Posted by: jeannie in MT at January 17, 2011 05:16 AM (6AG7r)

24 Anything for a dog pic. [rdbrewer]

Batdog...going free associative psychodynamic...

Weird to recently notice Hollywood's filmography documented how quickly political dialogue shifted from a century of law and order rhetoric within the past 10 years to a whole 'nuther level. Listen to D.A. Harvey Dent and police commissioner Jim Gordon campaign rhetoric from Tim Burton's Batman movie onset. Tim Hunter illustrates the shift made apparent in the River's Edge classroom "dialogue".

/Speaking of a whole 'nuther level, House would prepare Americans for the ObamaCare bedside manner to expect from socialist bureaucratic American doctors of medicine. Funny so long as it's not you. I know. It's not real. It's just a televised comedic American medical drama created by a Canadian, coincidentally starring a brilliantly dry Brit dishing it out.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 05:16 AM (H+LJc)

25 Looking for a list of the RINOs who are on board for the SOTU speech n pajama party with the socialists.  I've seen McCain and Morecokeski.  And the Maine twins.  Anyone else we should know about?

Saw Ayotte's name on the list Fox put up.

Posted by: public service announcement at January 17, 2011 05:19 AM (3aLc2)

26

This is playing with fire.  Some of these folks involved in these accounts will resolve this issue on their own (i.e. contract killing).

eh, maybe the disc's reveal the swiss had a lot more jew gold than they let on.

Posted by: Ben at January 17, 2011 05:20 AM (wuv1c)

27 I haven't seen any House members on the list from the GOP,  has anyone? 

I think this is Senate BS and as usual the same suspects are involved.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 05:20 AM (Fo83G)

28 You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

Nice one Gabe, but I like "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!" a bit better.

RE: GOP Senators - Sarah Palin has more testicular fortitude than that entire retched body. 


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 17, 2011 05:21 AM (9hSKh)

29 How come being transformed makes a person feel so dirty? Here's hoping for a hot shower to change things.

Posted by: Tigtog at January 17, 2011 05:23 AM (Q5+Og)

30 Picture this: ItÂ’s 9:30 at night, and a police informant does a drug deal with a known narcotics dealer outside an apartment complex in Lexington, Kentucky. Upon completion of the deal, the informant calls in the local police waiting nearby to arrest the miscreant, but isnÂ’t clear about which apartment the dealer entered: door number One, or door number Two? The police arrive at the scene, and pick door number One, occupied by Hollis King and some friends, no relation to the dealer behind door number Two. The police, smelling marijuana, bang on the door, and, when they hear movement inside, break down the door, find drugs, and arrest King and his friends.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 05:23 AM (tvs2p)

31 Looking for a list of the RINOs who are on board for the SOTU speech n pajama party with the socialists.  I've seen McCain and Morecokeski.  And the Maine twins.  Anyone else we should know about?

I'd be surprised if JeffB's hero Kirk wasn't on that list.  This being the obvious move for prestigious senators to take.  In any case, this has to be a pretext for primarying any RINO that participates.

Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2011 05:23 AM (Ew1k4)

32 3 I guess high-minded Europeans are racist, too.

Are you kidding?

Europeans have no trouble talking about the deficiencies of other ethnicities and cultures, let alone races.

The elites pretend to feel guilty about it, but they are probably the worst.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 05:24 AM (BvBKY)

33 Beck's radio program has been dropped by WOR NY and replaced with Mike Gallagher.  Anyone know where his show can be heard in CT?  I can't believe he's off the air in this market completely.

Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2011 05:25 AM (VuLos)

34 I linked this yesterday, but I think it was on a dying thread.

Issa's committee getting to work -- asking for Homeland Security docs

I think it's a good thing to go over.  People are sick to death of Homeland Security and the politicization of bureaucratic functions. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:25 AM (pW2o8)

35 Idiots. Posted by: Tami

Repeating their same RECENT mistake.

The public knows what's happening is nothing new.

When Americans demanded that GWBush secure the border with Mexico, he called them vigilantes for making observations live and reporting real-time illegal crossings to the Border Patrol to manage. And since Bush appeared sincere and down to earth with a smile and West Texas accent, the progressive bipartisan enablers from the Bush Revised GOP, along with the socialist media, unencumbered by the yet to be developed internet contingency, succeeded in smearing constitutional conservatives as "radical rightwing" vigilantes. To which Jeb Bush recently added the "stupid" cherry on top the elitist segregation desert.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 05:26 AM (H+LJc)

36 ... or go after.  Need more coffee.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:27 AM (pW2o8)

37 @31
It's not clear what your point is.  Are you upset about the 'entrapment' of the known narcotics dealer who ought to be locked up or the police acting on probable cause regarding the potheads who ought to be locked up?

Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2011 05:27 AM (Ew1k4)

38 From The Hill:

Report: U.S. to move trial of Arizona shooting suspect to California

The trial of the man accused of trying to kill Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) will be moved from Arizona to California, according to a news report.

Jared Loughner, 22, has been charged with five federal counts in Arizona, but The Washington Post, quoting federal law enforcement authorities, reported late Sunday night that the proceedings would be moved to San Diego because of extensive pretrial publicity and the sensitivity of the case in Arizona.

The Jan. 8 attack killed six, including John Roll, Arizona's chief federal judge; 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green; and Gabriel Zimmerman, a member of Giffords's staff. Thirteen others were wounded.

The Post reported that San Diego would get the case in part because it's one of the closest judicial districts to Arizona.


Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2011 05:28 AM (VuLos)

39 /fürst

Isn't that a type of German nobleman?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 17, 2011 05:29 AM (Gx9Qb)

40

26Saw Ayotte's name on the list Fox put up.

Wow, she's getting started on the wrong foot. Would bet anything Scottie Brown will do the pajama party too.

Posted by: right field bleachers at January 17, 2011 05:30 AM (K/USr)

41 40 /fürst

Isn't that a type of German nobleman?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 17, 2011 09:29 AM (Gx9Qb)

I thought it was a sausage.

Posted by: Josef K. at January 17, 2011 05:30 AM (7+pP9)

42 the proceedings would be moved to San Diego because of extensive pretrial publicity and the sensitivity of the case in Arizona.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuupniiiiiiiiiiiik!

Posted by: nickless at January 17, 2011 05:31 AM (MMC8r)

43 38 @31
It's not clear what your point is.

The lesson I took from that story is that the "shop locally" trend is not a good one.  heh 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:31 AM (pW2o8)

44

@31
It's not clear what your point is.  Are you upset about the 'entrapment' of the known narcotics dealer who ought to be locked up or the police acting on probable cause regarding the potheads who ought to be locked up?

I think he's talking about police agents kicking in people's doors without a warrant.

I assume that the charges will be completely tossed for illegal search and seizsure. I don;t believe the smell of marijuana allows a cop to kick in someones door. When you are driving a car, i think it give them permission to search the car, but rules about vehicle search and home search are different.

Look, i don't give a shit if people smoke pot in their house, but I do kinda give a shit when police kick people's doors in without a warrant.

We in society have less to fear  from potheads than we do police. The potheads have no power and are inept, the police have the law on their side and many of them have power trips when given a badge and a gun. Specifically in big cities like Chicago. I am not anti-police, i'm sure 95% of cops are great people, but if you ever read instapundit, you will know that there are a fair amount of bad police officers out there who get off the hook all the time

Posted by: Ben at January 17, 2011 05:32 AM (wuv1c)

45 @36: We tend to forget that the "radical rightwing" meme originated with GWB's attacks on the Minutemen. Bush was a decent man, but hus refusal to secure the border was stupid.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 17, 2011 05:33 AM (tJjm/)

46 The lesson I took from that story is that the "shop locally" trend is not a good one.

Being 'green' is bad for you?

Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2011 05:33 AM (Ew1k4)

47 Yeah, AmishDude. I've often said America is, in my opinion, the most open society on earth when it comes to matters like race. Europeans don't even try to hide their racism. And let's not even get started with my African people, a whole host of who are prejudiced against people who look like them but are of a different ethnic group or even a different city/town in the same ethnic group. Rwanda, anyone?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 05:33 AM (2nGKd)

48 The Times outs Jered as a "Bush Hater"...

But
Jared, a curious teenager who at times could be intellectually intimidating, stood out because of his passionate opinions about government — and his obsession with dreams. He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and that the country’s central banking system was enslaving its citizens. His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.

WOW!! Just wow!

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 05:34 AM (tvs2p)

49

@49,

yeah, check out the link in the headlines section.

He would get pissed off over magnets

Posted by: Ben at January 17, 2011 05:35 AM (wuv1c)

50 46 @36: We tend to forget that the "radical rightwing" meme originated with GWB's attacks on the Minutemen. Bush was a decent man, but hus refusal to secure the border was stupid.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 17, 2011 09:33 AM (tJjm/)

No it didn't.  It started with OKC.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 05:36 AM (BvBKY)

51
"Physical attractiveness is significantly positively associated with general intelligence," said LSE lead researcher Satoshi Kanazawa, in the latest issue of the journal, Intelligence.

He's right you know.

And don't forget to stock up on condoms before leaving. The bowl is next to the door.

Posted by: Sharon Stone at January 17, 2011 05:37 AM (7+pP9)

52 "The potheads have no power and are inept" Potheads used their ineptitude to accidentally set fire to the house adjoining mine last year. Whether intentional or not, a residential fire is pretty powerful. Fuck potheads. I hope they all DIAF.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 17, 2011 05:37 AM (xJVlJ)

53 I think he's talking about police agents kicking in people's doors without a warrant.

So if police are investigating a shooting at one house and hear a fight or gunshots from the one next door, they should ignore it because they don't have a warrant for the second location?

Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2011 05:38 AM (Ew1k4)

54 Here's a summary of the case being heard at the SCOTUS:  http://www.vpr.net/npr/132869081/


You know what, I do care if people are smoking pot next door to me.  And, if someone had intervened with Loughner when it came to their attention that he was a habitual pot user (and so much of a pothead that he couldn't even hide it from the Army), maybe he'd have had a psych evaluation. 

Minimize pot usage all you want, but it's against the law.  For an adult to routinely choose to break the law does say something about that individual.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:42 AM (pW2o8)

55

 That woman has two more individual cajones cojones than the GOP senators, including the men.

"cajon" means "box" in English.

Posted by: Spanish grammar nazi at January 17, 2011 05:42 AM (CKW49)

56 Being 'green' is bad for you?

Yep.  I'm an evil Republican. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:43 AM (pW2o8)

57 @52: Right. Snd because Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives, as "studies prove," that mwans they are also our superioes in the good looks department. Oh, is there no end to Liberal Superiority??

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 17, 2011 05:43 AM (tJjm/)

58

I think it is just so cute when people from this former world power act as if what they say still has even a shred of relevance.



Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at January 17, 2011 05:45 AM (r1h5M)

59 Bush was a decent man, but...

GWB instituted multiple whole 'nuther levels of authoritarian bureaucracy corrupting constitutional governance, always delivered with sincere, decent and well intended rationale. He announced that he had reformed the Republican Party. Matthew 7:16

Open Borders, NAFTA, and amnesty for illegal immigrants
DHS
No Child Left Behind
Faith Based Initiatives
Islam "Win the Hearts and Minds of the Enemy" via American PC Military
TARP
Executive Order upon departure, empowering the Sec./Treasury position with autonomy, beholden to no one, removing Congressional oversight monopoly to budget and spend US tax funds.





Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 05:45 AM (H+LJc)

60 50

@49,

yeah, check out the link in the headlines section.

He would get pissed off over magnets

The Cubans use magnets to cure the sick (since they don't have anything else).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 05:47 AM (tvs2p)

61 His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush

This has been out for some time.

So follow me on this: He's a pothead who dabbles in Native American drug culture, has parents who belong to the SEIU*, believed 9-11 was an inside job, was a devotee of Loose Change, the 9-11 conspiracy movie, had an obsession with Gabby Giffords -- who practically ran as a Republican, she was one of those with about a half-dozen Republicans for Giffords ads -- and would go into a rage at the very mention of George W. Bush.

And he's supposed to be some kind of right-winger?

He was certainly influenced by voices in the media.  Liberal voices.  He took the "He betrayed his country, he played on our fears." of Al Gore to heart.  Hate was pumped into this kid from High School and college.

*I can't confirm this, but the county employees were unionized in 2007, so it's a safe assumption.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 05:47 AM (BvBKY)

62 The trial of the man accused of trying to kill Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) will be moved from Arizona to California, according to a news report.

Would that be the California area where the t-shirts were printed?

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 05:47 AM (Fo83G)

63 Posted by: Spanish grammar nazi at January 17, 2011 09:42 AM (CKW49) Thanks for the correction. lol. And I think your name should be Spanish *spelling* Nazi. But I'll let that go since I assume English is not your first language. (Hope I didn't make any errors above.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 05:47 AM (2nGKd)

64 No it didn't.  It started with OKC.

And before that with Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy" to expose the Clintons' White Water fraud.

And that Bush would resurrect the phraseology to include "vigilante" did not bode well. And I wrote at the time that he sold conservatives down the river.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 05:48 AM (H+LJc)

65

"cajon" means "box" in English.

Posted by: Spanish grammar nazi at January 17, 2011 09:42 AM (CKW49)

So, basically, cajones and cojones are antonyms.  Good to know.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 05:48 AM (BvBKY)

66

Swiped from Hotair:

Obviously, most Hot Air readers disagree with my assessment (and AllahpunditÂ’s) of Barack ObamaÂ’s speech last Wednesday evening at the University of Arizona. They also blame Obama more for the odd tone of the event, with its whooping and whistling and t-shirts, than the university that organized it. Fair enough. But one thing on which we can all agree is that that the White House wrote the speech, and apparently  added “applause” indicators into ObamaÂ’s speech that the university put on the Jumbotron in their captioning for the audience.

The university was responsible for most of the problems that did occur, and detracted from a very good speech from President Obama.  But itÂ’s hard to imagine that the university inserted the “[APPLAUSE]” tags that went with the captioning on the Jumbotron on their own.  How would the organizers know which lines were intended for applause space?  That had to come from the speech provided to the organizers by the White House for the purpose of displaying the captioning, and obviously Obama gives the final approval on his speeches, as do all Presidents. The White House may not have intended for those tags to appear on the screen (they could have been intended as stage directions for Obama, which would still be a little crass), but if not, they shouldnÂ’t have had them in the speech in the first place.

 

 

Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 05:49 AM (ihSHD)

67 68

Swiped from Hotair

--

Sorry, I don't believe that was from HA, because there was nothing about Sarah Palin in either of those paragraphs! 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:51 AM (pW2o8)

68 Being 'green' is bad for you? Could be gangrene...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 17, 2011 05:52 AM (tJjm/)

69 runningrn, I think that may have been closed captioning.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 05:52 AM (2nGKd)

70

Oh, and the NYT finally gets around to reporting this (after they perpetrated the false "Tea Party/Right Wing/Teaparty meme of causation):

But Jared, a curious teenager who at times could be intellectually intimidating, stood out because of his passionate opinions about government — and his obsession with dreams.

He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and that the countryÂ’s central banking system was enslaving its citizens. His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.

Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 05:52 AM (ihSHD)

71 And he's supposed to be some kind of right-winger?

Evidence, schmevidence.  There was a narrative!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 17, 2011 05:52 AM (4ucxv)

72 Several people on FNC as well as other places have said that Palin shouldn't have made that speech,  and should have let others defend her.

Can anyone name 3 prominent Republicans who defended her on TV or in print PRIOR to her speech?  I am having a hard time thinking of one.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 17, 2011 05:52 AM (Fo83G)

73

 Beautiful people don't just get all the breaks, scientists say they're likely smarter than most people, too.

So the general stupidity of Hollywood celebs is explained as some sort of meaningless outlier then?

Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 05:53 AM (J74Py)

74 will be moved from Arizona to California, according to a news report.

Moved from Tucson (Mexican cartel fortresses above Tucson threaten US citizenry, law enforcement and military personnel in "secure" official military installations), to Phoenix the capital of AZ, to the border and port city of San Diego CA, incidentally replete with Mexican drug cartel tunnels and gangs.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 05:54 AM (H+LJc)

75 So the general stupidity of Hollywood celebs is explained as some sort of meaningless outlier then?

Those people look like crap without their makeup and cosmetic surgeries. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2011 05:55 AM (pW2o8)

76 I wish Piven wouldnÂ’t talk about all the sex in the “Tea Party”. Back in the 60′s, most of the hippies were Lefties because it made it so easy to get sex.

Now, the sex crazed Lefties will flock to the “Tea Party” just for the easy sex.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 05:55 AM (tvs2p)

77 I think that may have been closed captioning.

...for the hearing-impared who can see well enough to read, but not well enough to notice the speakers pausing while everyone claps.  Heh!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 17, 2011 05:55 AM (4ucxv)

78

perhaps the reach across the aisle Reps, are as abused wives, and need to realize the dems won't quit, even if they do everything the dems demands.

or reps want to be invited to more parties, and not be looked over when the next Q comes around and not be looked over for more porkulous.

Posted by: willow at January 17, 2011 05:55 AM (h+qn8)

79 Sarah Palin: damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yes, she should have just sat there while people continuously accused her of inciting murder. Oh, and it appears that Obama is in google chrome's dictionary.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 05:56 AM (2nGKd)

80 71 runningrn, I think that may have been closed captioning.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 09:52 AM (2nGKd)

It was either

(1) a professional closed captioner who is just reflexively used to typing [applause] when he/she hears it or

(2) streamed directly from the same electronic source that feeds TOTUS.

Meaning, [applause] lines were written into the memorial service speech.  I definitely think it was (2).  And I agree with Ed.  That is as disgusting as the notion that they were putting up an "applause meter".

By the way, who was responsible for the t-shirts anyway?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 05:56 AM (BvBKY)

81

 Several people on FNC as well as other places have said that Palin shouldn't have made that speech,  and should have let others defend her

 

This is a nice dodge. If she did hold off, and this help failed to materialize, then she "allowed charges to go unanswered, and that's how the game is played". If she does respond, she is supposed to rely on whom exactly? The ones that are going to sit with the Dems for the imagery? Harvey the rabbit? Just how convoluted is this decision curve supposed to be?

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 05:56 AM (R2fpr)

82

runningrn, I think that may have been closed captioning.

 

Oooh, you're probably right!  Stupid Ed Morrisey, stupid me!

Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 05:56 AM (ihSHD)

Posted by: that guy that worries that Abe Vigoda's death presages the end times at January 17, 2011 05:57 AM (S5YRY)

84

...for the hearing-impared who can see well enough to read, but not well enough to notice the speakers pausing while everyone claps.  Heh!

 

Bwhahaha!


Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 05:58 AM (ihSHD)

85

So the general stupidity of Hollywood celebs is explained as some sort of meaningless outlier then?

Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 09:53 AM (J74Py)

and here i thought Megan Fox was just a generic dumb person, she must be brilliant, i just am not  shmart  enough  to see it.

also reflective MLK day  to everyone. and to those that had to work. don't fret you'lll be the last ones kicked out of your home , and living in your car

Posted by: willow at January 17, 2011 05:59 AM (h+qn8)

86 So the general stupidity of Hollywood celebs is explained as some sort of meaningless outlier then? Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 09:53 AM (J74Py) May not be an outlier, at least for the Hollywood women, if you consider what most of them look like without makeup. Not that I buy most of these silly studies, including this one notwithstanding the apparent confirmation of the high correlation between beauty and brains in my case.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 06:00 AM (2nGKd)

87 Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 09:56 AM (R2fpr)

They're treating her as if she were the president. In that sense, they're right.  The president shouldn't respond to such things.  His surrogates should *cough*KarlRove*cough*, but he or she needs to be above it all. The president not only has reflexive defenders in the media, but a whole host of spokesthings as well as Congresscritters eager to get into her good graces.

She gets all the criticism of being a politician with none of the benefits.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:00 AM (BvBKY)

88 including this one notwithstanding the apparent confirmation of the high correlation between beauty and brains in my case.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 10:00 AM (2nGKd)

OTOH, I love to view myself as an outlier.  Six Sigma and all that.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:02 AM (BvBKY)

89 FNC as well as other places have said that Palin shouldn't have made that speech,  and should have let others defend her

 

This is a nice dodge.-- Blue Hen

Absolutely.

Remember how well taking the high road and remaining silent under smear propaganda campaigns worked for Bush's popular credibility factor.

As for "let others defend her" -- what, let her fans defend her? As if her fans are seen by her critics as anything but the ugliest of bigots. There were days before Palin responded during which time whoever would have defended her would have actually done so. Specifically, those on FNC saying that Palin should have not responded but "should have let others defend her" failed themselves to do it.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 06:02 AM (H+LJc)

90

They're treating her as if she were the president

 

Funny that, the current occupant of the Oval Office gets absolutely zero scrutiny.  He says stupid stuff all the time and never gets called on it.  Neither does his idiot VP or our former Mensa Speaker of the House or Senate Majority Leader. 

Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 06:02 AM (ihSHD)

91 Palin is attractive. correlation between beauty and brains

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 06:03 AM (H+LJc)

92 Jared Loughner is an idiot who smokes pot.
I smoke pot.
I'm an idiot.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Bill Maher at January 17, 2011 06:03 AM (GwPRU)

93 Nice one Gabe, but I like "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!" a bit better.

I like,  "If I want any of your like, I'll rattle my zipper."

Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 06:03 AM (J74Py)

94 Specifically, those on FNC saying that Palin should have not responded but "should have let others defend her" failed themselves to do it.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 10:02 AM (H+LJc)

That is a very good point.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:03 AM (BvBKY)

95

"If I want any of your liP, I'll rattle my zipper."

fixed

Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 06:04 AM (J74Py)

96 "I like, 'If I want any of your like, I'll rattle my zipper.'" If I wanted any shit out of you, I'd have squeezed your head.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 17, 2011 06:04 AM (xJVlJ)

97 I wouldn't get too excited about the Times piece saying that Loughner was a Bush hater.  Earlier in the article, they mention that he was a fanboy of "certain grandiose tenets of a number of extremist right-wing groups."

Posted by: Steve L. at January 17, 2011 06:07 AM (/7n/7)

98

At least P.J. O'Rourke teed off on the NYT and crushed the ball.

 

The analogy between the Gray Lady and the crazy aunt that exposes herself was priceless.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 06:07 AM (R2fpr)

99 /fürst

Isn't that a type of German nobleman?~Waterhouse at January 17, 2011 09:29 AM (Gx9Qb)

I thought it was a sausage.

I saw a kiosk on a mall a while back that sold grilled sausages of various kinds called - "The Best of the Würst"

Posted by: Speller at January 17, 2011 06:07 AM (J74Py)

100

Funny that, the current occupant of the Oval Office gets absolutely zero scrutiny.  He says stupid stuff all the time and never gets called on it.  Neither does his idiot VP or our former Mensa Speaker of the House or Senate Majority Leader. 

Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2011 10:02 AM (ihSHD)

Here's a better one.  They ran herd over Palin for using "blood libel" even though Glenn Reynolds used it just a few days before.

Well, Paul Krugman used the term "eliminationist rhetoric."  He was the first to use it outside of one specific context.  "Eliminationist rhetoric" is a phrase invented by an academic who discussed the media in the time of...Nazi Germany and argued that the Nazi platform was reflected throughout the culture and not imposed by the Nazis.

That counts as pretty inflamed rhetoric in my book.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:07 AM (BvBKY)

101

what message came iut of last week for me?

1. the GOP seem to dislike Palin , the Tea Party, and us litttle people, They gave no defense.

2. ....................?

3. or they really are wimps.

Posted by: willow at January 17, 2011 06:10 AM (h+qn8)

102 fanboy of "certain grandiose tenets of a number of extremist right-wing groups."

Posted by: Steve L. at January 17, 2011 10:07 AM (/7n/7)

Specifics?  And note the weasel-words there: grandiose tenets.

Not that he followed these groups.  Not that he even knew who they were.  He just liked the same stuff as they did.  If I had to guess, they are obliquely referring to the guy who DOES EVERYTHING IN CAPS or maybe the gold standard stuff.

It's a pathetic attempt at equivocation and just underscores everything PJ was saying.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:10 AM (BvBKY)

103

The study indicated attractive men have IQs that are 13.6 points above the average, while beautiful women are 11.4 points higher than average.

Unless they have big tits, in which case they are 50 points higher.

Posted by: Sammy at January 17, 2011 06:12 AM (CKW49)

104 Man shot over French Fry:

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) - A man was shot after an apparent argument over fast food in the cityÂ’s Northern Liberties section early Monday morning.

The two men were in a parked car near the intersection of 2nd and Callowhill Streets, eating fast food when an argument broke out over french fries, according to police.

http://tinyurl.com/4h86sbm

City of brotherly love my ass.

Posted by: 1idvet at January 17, 2011 06:13 AM (kGf+i)

105

what message came iut of last week for me?

1. the GOP seem to dislike Palin , the Tea Party, and us litttle people, They gave no defense.

2. ....................?

3. or they really are wimps.

Posted by: willow

 

4. Many of them are of the ruling class. They engage in the optics of the moment, and look to how they can function (definition: survive and enrich themselves) in that environment.

 

Short answer: The peasants are revolting.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 06:13 AM (R2fpr)

106 Hey, I was right.  Went to the article and the "grandiose tenets" thing just recycled the (a) completely spurious connection to the ALL CAPS GUY and (b) gold standard stuff.

They didn't mention that the gold stuff came from a movie called Zeitgeist which was mostly about the 9-11 was an inside job conspiracy.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:14 AM (BvBKY)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 17, 2011 06:14 AM (4ucxv)

108 We've removed an explosive 2005 report by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. about autism and vaccines.
Here's why In 2005, Salon published online an exclusive story by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that offered an explosive premise: that the mercury-based thimerosal compound present in vaccines until 2001 was dangerous, and that he was "convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real." The piece was co-published with Rolling Stone magazine -- they fact-checked it and published it in print; we posted it online. In the days after running "Deadly Immunity," we amended the story with five corrections (which can still be found logged here) that went far in undermining Kennedy's exposé. At the time, we felt that correcting the piece -- and keeping it on the site, in the spirit of transparency -- was the best way to operate. But subsequent critics, including most recently, Seth Mnookin in his book "The Panic Virus," further eroded any faith we had in the story's value. We've grown to believe the best reader service is to delete the piece entirely.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was so wrong, it made Salon look stupid ... but hey, we already knew that

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 06:16 AM (tvs2p)

109 Give 'em credit.  At least they didn't memory hole it.  That's pretty big of Salon.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2011 06:17 AM (BvBKY)

110

(1) a professional closed captioner who is just reflexively used to typing [applause] when he/she hears it or

Looks like closed captioning to me, but you'd need to see the screen and hear the words at the same time. If the words appear a few seconds after he says them, we can go with closed captioning.

If it appears at the same time, then it was done ahead of time and they were expecting applause.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 17, 2011 06:17 AM (XdlcF)

111 We've grown to believe the best reader service is to delete the piece entirely.

After letting readers believe it and screw up their children for five years...

(Did someone say sausage? I'm still trying to understand this.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 17, 2011 06:19 AM (4ucxv)

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 17, 2011 06:20 AM (h0RtZ)

113 Give 'em credit.  At least they didn't memory hole it.  That's pretty big of Salon.

Posted by: AmishDude

 

Or pretty big of their legal department. There may be one or two feeling a bit leery about a vengeful family. Is John Edwards still practicing law with the firm of Miss Cleo, Jean Dixon and Nostradamous?

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 17, 2011 06:22 AM (R2fpr)

114 Let's see,... Guns, 'puters, webcam, bacon, and a moron,...

Why did this article immediately make me think of AoS?

http://tinyurl.com/4bwthpa

Posted by: nine coconuts at January 17, 2011 06:23 AM (DHNp4)

115

re-closed captioning.

whether or not ,

At any point Obama or anyone speaking could have given a strong signal to hush the crowd.

for instance the beginning of the weird prayer,

the Dr. could have said ,"on this   Very solemn occasion." etc.. anyone walking up to speak could have said someting to cue the crowd about demeanor.

instead we get a Biden production, "Hey Joe stand up and let the crowd hand it to ya".

yuck

Posted by: willow at January 17, 2011 06:23 AM (h+qn8)

116 Mmmm it's mid January now and Ben Sherwood has had over a month now to "fix" the ABC news division.  Was over at a friends house this weekend and saw Amanpour on the idiot box.  I thought Amanpour was specifically cited as one of the first things Sherwood was going to fix.

As I said at the time, putting the producer of Good Morning America in charge of the news division might actually make the ABC news even more dummerer.

Posted by: Follower of Cthulhu at January 17, 2011 06:27 AM (F/4zf)

117

The university was responsible for most of the problems that did occur, and detracted from a very good speech from President Obama.  But itÂ’s hard to imagine that the university inserted the “[APPLAUSE]” tags that went with the captioning on the Jumbotron on their own.  How would the organizers know which lines were intended for applause space?  That had to come from the speech provided to the organizers by the White House for the purpose of displaying the captioning, and obviously Obama gives the final approval on his speeches, as do all Presidents. The White House may not have intended for those tags to appear on the screen (they could have been intended as stage directions for Obama, which would still be a little crass), but if not, they shouldnÂ’t have had them in the speech in the first place.

 

not to burst anyone's bubble, but I think that was close captioning for the deaf, not instructions for the audience to clap.

Posted by: Ben at January 17, 2011 06:27 AM (wuv1c)

118 Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 17, 2011 09:55 AM (tvs2p)

Tea Party:  Come for the hate, stay for the sex.

Posted by: Tea Party Local 101 at January 17, 2011 06:27 AM (kb0wl)

119

"..A man was shot after an apparent argument over fast food in the cityÂ’s Northern Liberties section early Monday morning."

That area is heavily populated with hipsters. The french fry probably looked like Rod Serling or Prince or somebody really super awesome like that.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at January 17, 2011 06:29 AM (HaYO4)

120 121. Joanie, more accurately, that area is heavily populated with drunks and stoners I could definitely see a gunfight over munches happening

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 17, 2011 06:31 AM (SB0V2)

121 were either of the men fightig over the fries pregnant, and were they Mickey D's fries? i really want to know who has the best fries.

Posted by: willow at January 17, 2011 06:32 AM (h+qn8)

122 Oh, and it appears that Obama is in google chrome's dictionary.

As a noun or a verb?

Posted by: mrp at January 17, 2011 06:32 AM (HjPtV)

123 BTW - Chris Christie is STILL AWESOME! http://tinyurl.com/48un77h (he is asking the feds to stop giving money to NJ)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 17, 2011 06:32 AM (SB0V2)

124 Also, I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up, but why did Holder and Big Sis participate in the memorial? What did they have to do with it? Jan Brewer was appropriate since she's the Arizona gov. It's especially ironic, since Holder is suing the state of Arizona for being racist and Big Sis refused to consider Brewer's request for reinforcements at the border. So basically, these are two people antagonistic to the state of Arizona and their governor. Perhaps it was a show of unity in the face of the horrific shootings. (Right.) I know Big Sis was the former AZ gov, but that's a tenuous association. Even if we grant that, what was Holder doing there?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2011 06:32 AM (2nGKd)

125 True, BlackOrchid. Munchies and/or neon fannypacks.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at January 17, 2011 06:35 AM (HaYO4)

126

To: chique d'afrique

Re: Memorialooza

Haven't you heard, bammy is at war with Arizona. He brings his big guns to the party to remind those redneck tards who is boss. The Fort Sumter moment will be the bail out of California. This is what it is all about - the shellacking required a moral equivalence via myth to enable the left manueverability to buy out more union bankruptcies (see CA, MI, IL). Some States are required to live within their means, others not so much. Its the new Reconstruction policy brought to you by the Land of Lincoln. Enjoy your colonial status.

Posted by: Tigtog at January 17, 2011 06:40 AM (Q5+Og)

127 Since everyone is talking about all the signs being there about Laugner's mental problems I just want to be on record saying maverick muse is a nut.

Posted by: Mr. Sar Kastik at January 17, 2011 06:48 AM (A3oMO)

128 I don't think you need to be especially right wing to become obsessed with the gold standard. It's pretty easy to think yourself into a tizzy once you start meditating on the question of what makes our money worth what it's worth. And that's if you're a reasonably sane person. It's easy to see how a schizophrenic could go down the rabbit hole on that one.

(For the record, although I think a gold standard is a good idea, I think going back to one now would be VERY difficult.)

Posted by: Farmer Joe at January 17, 2011 06:53 AM (z4es9)

129

It's the city of brotha-ly love. Shooting someone over a french fry is a very loving act in this town.

Posted by: Luca Brasi at January 17, 2011 06:57 AM (YmPwQ)

130 So when the whatever passes for an editorial staff at the NYT responds to P.J., do we all get to stand up and scream "IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!"?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 17, 2011 07:06 AM (GZITd)

131 do we all get to stand up and scream "IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!"?

Don't you hate how the NYTimes injects itself into every tragedy.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 17, 2011 07:11 AM (S5YRY)

132 Good Morning M&Ms

It will be a slow day for me.  Today is a school Holiday here and I have "custody"  of the Grandyougin'. That means him AND the little girls from next door.

LOL, I have already had a morning dose of Dora, where I relearned Español and Spongebob Square Pants where I relearned crap.

Now they are at least outside. Sent wifey to WallyMart to get a bicycle. Hard to share 2 bikes between three kids.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2011 07:15 AM (M9Ie6)

133 Hey Great site!

Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Everyone!

Posted by: Tommy at January 17, 2011 07:19 AM (vUdSP)

134 It's King Lee Day in Alabama.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 17, 2011 07:25 AM (S5YRY)

135 Wednesday is Robert E. Lee day. Will we be celebrating that? If we can give a Holiday to a commie perhaps we can give one to him as well.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2011 07:33 AM (M9Ie6)

136 Really? Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist? I didn't know that...

Posted by: Tommy at January 17, 2011 07:43 AM (vUdSP)

137 Michelle Obama turns 4739 for the 9th time today.

Posted by: Barry at January 17, 2011 07:52 AM (tvs2p)

138 The bears explain it all [link goes to blogprof]:
http://tinyurl.com/6hqdlve

Posted by: Museisluse at January 17, 2011 08:03 AM (kb7mQ)

139 “He would get so upset about bigger issues, like why do positive and negative magnets have to attract each other,” recalled Mr. Gutierrez,

So now it's Insane Clown Posse's fault?

Posted by: Rocks at January 17, 2011 08:12 AM (WxagK)

140 Mr. Loughner seemed to meet rejection at every turn. He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but failed its drug test.

This is now reported everywhere as fact. To my knowledge the Army has never confirmed why he was rejected and have stated they never would due to privacy laws. Why is this reported as fact everywhere? Isn't it more likely he failed a psych exam or was on some anti-depressants which would disqualify hm?

Posted by: Rocks at January 17, 2011 08:21 AM (WxagK)

141 74 Several people on FNC as well as other places have said that Palin shouldn't have made that speech,  and should have let others defend her. Can anyone name 3 prominent Republicans who defended her on TV or in print PRIOR to her speech?  I am having a hard time thinking of one.   There are none.  But I can give you a lengthy, comprehensive list of the GOP scumbags who have attacked her.  And yes, I am keeping track.

Posted by: right field bleachers at January 17, 2011 08:26 AM (K/USr)

142 plz keep it away. good luck.

Posted by: shaiya gold at January 17, 2011 08:50 AM (7e6qP)

143 137 Wednesday is Robert E. Lee day. Will we be celebrating that? If we can give a Holiday to a commie perhaps we can give one to him as well.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2011 11:33 AM (M9Ie6)

Lee was weird. His views on slavery were almost Marxist, in that he viewed slavery as evil, but a necessary stage in the development of a people (at least some people). He spoke both for it and against it, but always couched the "for" with an "against."

Odd. No way to know how sincere it was, other than that Lee was generally considered honest by both sides.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 17, 2011 10:22 AM (bxiXv)

144 The TSA arrested and is prosecuting a "disorderly" US citizen attempting to use his flight ticket without having producing his identification when requested by a TSA official.

“What’s really at root in this case is whether travel is a right that we have under the Constitution - an ability to move about the country without having to show papers - which has been one of the defining characteristics of American freedom, “ Hasbrouck said.

Why would public transportation inspire an individual to presume any right to anonymity to board a flight, train, subway or bus?

It was likely what remained of the FDR administration, perhaps even Wilson's legacy still in effect during the early '60s. But I remember clearly the requirement for all vehicles to stop for clearance crossing between states' borders to enter/exit California. When the uniformed official (badged and armed) asked for identification, there was no question but to produce it immediately. That was likely a highway patrol state border control position. They were very strict about not allowing fruit from one state into the next, confiscating whatever they found. And they would search according to what they deemed suspect in your vehicle. So this business imagining that Americans have never had to prove their identity in order to travel within the US isn't correct. Particularly when any police officer asks for identification first thing, very legitimately, when you're pulled over for a traffic infraction.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 10:59 AM (H+LJc)

145 No way to know how sincere it was

Lee freed his own slaves, so it was probably sincere.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 17, 2011 11:08 AM (S5YRY)

146 Really? Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist? I didn't know that...

because he wasn't. However, he wouldn't play the pawn in favor of the US military engagement in Vietnam, particularly because of the draft. He rejected the manipulation of blacks by the US government, as so many were drafted to fight a war that had nothing really to do with his pet cause, the US civil rights for blacks. Those who'd criticize MLKjr. would seemingly have a better argument stating that he was an amalgamated political figure who utilized opportunity to his best advantage (until his assassination); but ideologically he was a mixed bag of convoluted pacifist black supremacy*, representing himself to be a color blind politician dreaming a plagiarized dream that every man should be judged on merit of character rather than skin pigment.

*by very close association with those in his entourage who most definitely were black supremacists (Jesse Jackson, etc), and because he protested the US government drafting blacks into the military (rather than simply protesting the draft in general, regardless of skin pigment).

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 11:19 AM (H+LJc)

147 Lee freed his own slaves, so it was probably sincere.

So had his Virginian predecessor George Washington. 

Lee's property was confiscated by the US government, made into Arlington National Cemetery. I'd say that Lee never spoke in rancor about his loss of fortune proved sincerity as well as could be proven to skeptics.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 17, 2011 11:28 AM (H+LJc)

148 Does Obama think he can fool us by changing his hair color?  Puh-leeze!

Posted by: maxine the hairdresser at January 17, 2011 11:50 AM (FSdiI)

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