1

Could this be the next AGW fraud smoking gun?

 

The VA AG is investigating Michael Mann and VA Dems are trying to block him.

2

Also on the AGW fraud list there's this

 

Just another reason to exit the U.N. and kick them out of NY.

3

More gun control insanity

I went over to the LAT rag to see if I could find out any more about the shooting in the LA school since the stories were so conflicting yesterday. First let me say that it appears the gun discharged when the idiot set his back pack down with the gun in it. It appears to have only fired once and struck two people.

But when I was looking at that article I noticed a link and another article calling for more gun control based on this event. What is funny is that the liberal idiot writing the article doesn’t even recognize the “irony” in calling for gun control based on this crap. Industrial strength stupid here.

It is already illegal for a 17 year old to have a hand gun. It was illegal for the 17 y.o. to bring it to class and on school grounds. And it was incredibly stupid for the 17 y.o. to have it cocked and locked in his back pack which is one of the reasons 17 y.o. kids are not allowed to have guns like this.

So what good would it do to pass even more laws which the people who ignore laws would ignore?  Not a damn bit. Just more punishment for honest people.  That is what almost all laws and regulations do anyway.

4 And lastly a Moron Alert

What is it with CT people lately? 

Man slapped at party for excessive flatulence leaves and comes back to kill people with a butcher knife.

5 Jake Tapper on Twitter says Obama and Hu will announce a joint "Nuclear security center" to be built in China.

Does anyone have any idea what this is?  I asked Tapper but he didn't answer.

6

Congressman John Carter (TX-31) will be speaking on his vote to repeal the Obama Healthcare. Congressman Carter will be speaking from the House Floor on Wednesday (January 19) at approximately 4:15 p.m. Eastern Time and will be aired live on CSPAN.

7 Does anyone have any idea what this is?  I asked Tapper but he didn't answer.

http://tinyurl.com/6hyfvxq

The agreement, which is to be signed by U.S. and Chinese energy officials during the visit of Chinese President Hu Jintao, would establish a jointly financed nuclear security center in China, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record before Obama's announcement.

The announcement comes as the Obama administration is looking for ways to ease tensions between the two world powers over economic, trade and security issues.

The U.S. sees the agreement as an opening to expand security cooperation with China. The U.S. has spent billions of dollars on extensive cooperation on nuclear security with Russia and often has used the issue as way to stimulate further political cooperation. But it has had very limited interaction with China on nuclear security.

Yes, we have spent billions with the Russians. What did it get us?  I ask this question, don't these "agreements" have to be ratified by the Senate?

8 Is Maria's dad dead?

9 Vic,

I am still mystified as to what the dang thing is!  Is it a place for monitoring radiation in the Far East?  Is it a place for research?  A place to store old bombs?  What IS it?  And why should it be located in China and not here?

10 Dependence Day

Steyn, touché!

/Now, juxtapose dependence with this morning's radio news sound bite re: drug abusers who voluntarily turn themselves in without penalty for having been dealers.

11 I am still mystified as to what the dang thing is!

It sounds like a Chinese stimulus program.

12

Just another reason to exit the U.N. and kick them out of NY.

Posted by: Vic

Just another reason? OK.

NYC can't get its act together to rebuild the World Trade Center. The UN Building would provide relocation while deferring the expense of rebuilding. It isn't as if the UN ever "bought" the UN Building if it's on diplomatic "loan" by the USA. Let the realty attorneys bicker.

13 On the surface it appears that it will be some kind of a "meeting place" to discuss means to try to stop N. Korea. At least that is the gist of the article.

From my point of view that is ludicrous so Obama is probably just planning on saying one thing and doing something else.

You know, his normal M.O.

14

"Man slapped at party for excessive flatulence leaves and comes back to kill people with a butcher knife."

Cabbage is the Devil.

15 Cabbage is the Devil.

LOL, we're gonna have to ask LauraW about this one.

16 Hu is the mass murderer of Tibetans, not to mention all others deemed "undesirable" under his governance.

Obama's Chinese love affair is a blood lust.

17 A Top Moron Headline.  If I was designing an amusement part, this would be one of the rides!

http://bit.ly/9ueo2M

18 Linky no workee

19 And why should it be located in China and not here?
Posted by: Miss Marple

location, location, location

To facilitate thievery under wraps, no news.

20 o facilitate thievery under wraps, no news.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 19, 2011 07:36 AM (H+LJc)

I don't think he is worried about that.  There is no opposition press here. This has to be some kind of a cave-in to the Chinese government for something else.

21 'Experience China' takes over NYC's Times Square...


Eh, birds of a feather flock together.

So much for NYC pride* in their Big Apple.

*/made in china

22 This has to be some kind of a cave-in to the Chinese government for something else.

Yes. The Chinese demand their own conditions. And they don't leave much to chance with such frivolities as illusions of free speech or free press. Whatever goes down is more of the same US sabotage of American integrity so that the authoritarians can stay afloat a bit longer.

23
Under the agreement to be signed by Energy Secretary Steven Chu and China Atomic Energy Authority Chairman Chen Quifa, China would pay for most of the center's costs, but the United States would provide technology and expertise.

Oh that's a great idea!  Sheesh.....

24 #17, worked in my browser...
Here's another Tiny url:

http://tinyurl.com/yj2g2xs

25 Oh that's a great idea!  Sheesh.....

Posted by: Tami at January 19, 2011 07:54 AM (VuLos)

I see he is progressing with his treasonous destroy America campaign. In 2009 he issued executive order 13526 which greatly eased the U.S. classification rules. Among other things it got rid of the NOFORN classification that was part of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for materials related to U.S. military applications of nuclear stuff.

I guess he is moving on now. One wonders why that E.O. wasn't covered by that "opposition press".

One also wonders how an Executive Order overrides an act of Congress?

26

Vic of Spades HQ??

 

 

 

27 State Dept. going back to 'mother' and 'father' but adding a neutral designation of 'parent'.


The State Department is again revising the form it uses to document children of U.S. citizens born in another country, allowing the categories of “mother” and “father” to remain while adding a third “gender neutral” option of “parent.”

Last month the State Department announced on its Web site that it was removing the “mother” and “father” categories on birth records of children born abroad to U.S. citizens and replacing them with the “gender neutral” designation of “parent.”

The press release said the change was “in recognition of different types of families.”

Pro-family groups complained and pro-homosexual groups offered praise.

On Tuesday, CNSNews.com contacted the State Department to inquire about the new document and was told that it would still include the words “mother” and “father.” The State Department said the document was finalized with the input of  Secretary Hillary Clinton.

“With Sec. Clinton’s input, we have since decided to revise the form to retain the existing designations of ‘mother’ and ‘father’ in addition to the designation of ‘parent,’” Harry Edwards, press officer with the State Department, told CNSNews.com.

28 Vic of Spades HQ??

Slow day, got to keep the thread alive.

29
I mentioned this a couple of months ago and no one seemed to care but...

it turns out that kid actually did stow away in the wheel well of the jet and fall to his death over Massachusetts.

At least that's what the family is claiming and now they are the suing the airline.

30 Can't wait to hear the MSM spin this:

Black Tea in Houston

HOUSTON - It's a tea party unlike any Houston, and perhaps the entire country, has ever seen. The first Black Tea Party held its inaugural meeting Tuesday night in the Third Ward. Organizers of the Crispus Attucks Tea Party are quick to point out that anyone is welcome and it's not a political party.

Their mission statement reads in part:

"To build a strong base of conservative Black entrepreneurs, elected officials and constituents that provide Black conservatives a viable way to express and implement their conservative values politically."

Co-founder Anita Moncrief says the party is also looking to overcome stereotypes.

"We're trying to break the stereotype that the tea party is racist," said Moncrief.

At least half of the 75 or so people who attended the first meeting are white and have been defending the rights of taxpayers for a while.

Then there's Marie Johnson, a longtime Black Democrat. She's fed up with the direction the country is going and wanted to see what the movement is all about.

"It (race) didn't make any difference to me as long as I had a tea party and we get together," said Johnson.

http://tinyurl.com/6jqj36h

31
Sargent Shriver is dead.

I though he died decades ago.

/shrugs

32 soothsayer ridiculous.....

33

Heh!  Iowahawk's latest "CSI Tuscon":

Looks like our perp got instructions to dry out his system before pulled off the hit. Dammit, we need to get a solid ID on the scumbag controlling these trigger men before there's another bloodbath! LetÂ’s see if Sullivan has any leads.

Dimly-lit high tech laboratory under CSI HQ, filled with fetal grow charts, maternity shop mannequins

34

Oh, here's the link to the Iowahawk piece:

 

http://tinyurl.com/5s6s7rr

 

OK, off to work I go!

 

35 Slow day, got to keep the thread alive.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2011 08:04 AM (M9Ie6)

Hey, Vic...I hope you weren't misinterpreting my comment as a slam on you

......I dub thee Honorary Cob Logger

re: The VA/AGW story...I hope other bloggers pick it up as the MFM will surely embargo it

36

Looks like the first black president has stepped in it:

From the Chicago Tribune:

Mayoral candidate Carol Moseley Braun this morning sharply attacked former President Bill Clinton's endorsement of Rahm Emanuel, calling it "a betrayal to the people who were most loyal to him."

"President Bill Clinton does not live or vote in Chicago," said a statement issued by her campaign. "He's an outsider parachuting in to support another outsider. For him to come on the day following Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday to insert himself in the middle of a mayoral race, when the majority of the population and mayoral candidates are African American and Latino, is a betrayal of the people who were most loyal to him. It's a mistake."

37
Delvonte Tisdale, 16, of Charlotte, NC, is believed to have stowed away in the underneath of an airplane that left Charlotte in November. His body was found in a residential neighborhood a few miles from Boston's Logan Airport.

"TisdaleÂ’s family is now putting the blame on Charlotte International Airport. They claim lax security allowed Delvonte to sneak into the wheel well of a plane."

38 Hey, Vic...I hope you weren't misinterpreting my comment as a slam on you

Nah, I figured it was just snark. That's what we do here.

39 Black Tea in Houston

I like more Tea Party groups, but I'm not so sure I like even the mention of color.  That road just leads back to class/race based special group politics.

40

Yeah, I screwed up. Not suing the airline. Suing the airport.

But they're probaly not suing the airline because they can't figure out from what plane he fell. Otherwise, they'd be suing th airline.

41 Vic...don't you at least have the keys to the sidebar?

42

Could this be the next AGW fraud smoking gun?

 

The VA AG is investigating Michael Mann and VA Dems are trying to block him.

Posted by: Vic at January 19, 2011 07:12 AM (M9Ie6)

He has also been demanding to know what funds were spent by Virginia and/va universities on the climate fraud. The liberals squeal like they've been stuck. It's quite comical. Cuccinelli sends them into orbit.

43 Sootohsayer3PO,  while I don't really think they have a good case,  maybe the lawsuit will make airports do what Homeland Security apparently cannot:  increase ground security around planes and maybe screen the ground crews more thoroughly.

44 I like more Tea Party groups, but I'm not so sure I like even the mention of color.  That road just leads back to class/race based special group politics.

Posted by: dogfish at January 19, 2011 08:20 AM (N2yhW)

Yeah, I thought that too but at least they're organizing as black *conservatives*. 

45 10 Dependence Day

Steyn, touché!

Posted by: maverick muse at January 19, 2011 07:25 AM (H+LJc)
 
Nice link & article. I've missed him.

46 And on Drudge this morning, evidently Newt is criticizing Palin and praising the annointed one. Just wow.

47

U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap.  

48 "TisdaleÂ’s family is now putting the blame on Charlotte International Airport. They claim lax security allowed Delvonte to sneak into the wheel well of a plane.

Let's try this again. My computer glitched while typing this and lost it all. Yeah, they will sue the airport and not the airline because the airline is a private company and would fight them.  The airport is a city function and they will likely settle because its not their money. The tax payers will pay it.

This is what really pisses me off. This stupid kid either climbed over a very high security fence or evaded TSA inside the airport (there is some debate on that) and climbed in a wheel well of a jet on the tarmac.  He, and he alone, is responsible for this shit. But thanks to asshole lawyers who legislate ease in deep pocket liability suits the tax payers take it in the rear again.

When I talked to a lawyer about my pool many years ago he said the way the juries and courts view it, if a kid was big enough and old enough to climb over a fence then he was big enough and old enough to now better.

Of course that didn't take into account inner-city jury nullification.

49 Vic...don't you at least have the keys to the sidebar?

No, I didn't ask for keys back when Ace put out the word  because I don't know anything about editing web pages.

50 On the Black Tea Party -- Anita Moncrief has been a consistent warrior in taking on (and down) ACORN. Yeah I detest the idea of the CBC, but like the fact that Allen West has joined it heh.
 
This group may do a little bit to dispel the notion that blacks can only support Dems. With 96% voting for Jugears in 2008, anything would be an improvement.

51 On the Newt thing someone posted that yesterday. It is pure BS designed to try to marginalize Palin for the campaign. Newt has gone full campaign now despite the fact that he has zero chance of winning. That episode on the couch with Pelosi has destroyed his political career.

One wonders if he is being financed by someone with deep pockets who wants to use him as a spoiler?

52 I'm distressed that so many of the people that I used to like have done something stupid to get on my list. Rove, Newt, Jeb, Cornyn, Pawlenty, Powerline, Hotair, some of NRO, etc.  Is it me?

53 Have you noticd that most of your list is RINO?

54

Regarding the Japanese cloning the mamoth, I hope they are successful.  I would pay good money to see a real one. 

Presumably this tech can be used to boost populations of endangered species - so long as they don't over-do it and create a situation where the population becomes essentially in-bred.  That could be handy for getting shortening up that damn endangered species list, and thereby getting the government's paid tree huggers off our backs.  Maybe it would no longer be necessary to seize a farmer's quarter-million-dollar combine because he accidentally, and unknowingly, ran over a rare kangaroo rat.

55 The Japanese are really going to do it - try to clone a Mammoth.

As the saying goes, if the other guy brings a Mammoth, you bring a Velociraptor.  They'd be a serious game changer in Afghanistan.  Let's at least put it on the "things to consider" list.

56

I'm distressed that so many of the people that I used to like have done something stupid to get on my list. Rove, Newt, Jeb, Cornyn, Pawlenty, Powerline, Hotair, some of NRO, etc.  Is it me?

Dagny, when in doubt, seek guidance from.....Seinfeld:

"People....they're the worst."

57 Vic,  here is what CBS Radio's Mark Knoller tweeted to me about that nuke security center:

It's a joint operation to confer about nuclear security issues - designed to prevent crises & misunderstandings.

Now, is that the biggest nothing-burger you have ever heard?  It's a place to TALK!  And somehow WE are rpoviding nuclear technology for it.

As usual,  much ado about nothing, or much ado about something which is BAD for us.

58

U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap.  

Not even remotely funny, asshole.

59 Where's the sign-up sheet for the Tea Party sex?

60 At least that's what the family is claiming and now they are the suing the airline.

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at January 19, 2011 08:09 AM (fFMjt)

Duh, the airline failed to get the plane in for the safety net upgrade

61 #53  One wonders if he is being financed by someone with deep pockets who wants to use him as a spoiler?

Perhaps some dude who's last name starts and ends with an "S", and is also a palindrome?

/Puts on conspiracy cap.

62 Obama's wasting away from stomach parasites or something

Ah, the Hawaii diet.  Rubes will pay big money to be intentionally affected, lest their fat butts fall prey to FKTOUS' scorn.

63

And somehow WE are rpoviding nuclear technology for it.

Uh, no.

We've had a nuclear risk reduction center in operation with the Rooskies for years.  Sounds like the same thing.

64 Oops.  Link for parasite thingie.  Cats are late with my coffee.

65 "TisdaleÂ’s family is now putting the blame on Charlotte International Airport. They claim lax security allowed Delvonte to sneak into the wheel well of a plane."

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at January 19, 2011 08:18 AM (fFMjt

Well, I'm sure the idiot probably saw this in a movie somewhere.  Why not sue the movie producers who show folk pulling this stunt?  Obviously that's absurd, but certainly less absurd than this claim they're making against the airport. 

Libtards will blame lunatic violence on mild political rhetoric, and blame people's stupid actions on those who (quite unaware of this strange duty) failed to prevent them from acting stupidly.  Yet when someone suggests that thug-rap further degrades inner city culture and encourages violence, or that the ubiquity of porn over-sexualizes people's thinking, suddenly it's all about free speech and personal responsibility.  Wanna let your 4 year old play GTA?  No problem.  Let him listen to Glen Beck?  Big problem. 

66 I know some are rino or rino-ish but, for example, I want to tell Newt exactly what a little lizard he is. These people do more harm than the far lefties because they f-up the entire conservative ideal.

67 60 U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap.  

Not even remotely funny, asshole.

Agreed to infinity, jerkwad.

My best friend served in the Navy and he's told me about several occasions where Sailors have fallen off ships and drowned.  It isn't a laughing matter, especially when guised as a lame gay joke. 

68 O-brother. This is going to set everyone off!
_____________________________________________
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

69

#60 - I wasn't trying to be funny. But did I hit a nerve?

70 #54  dagny,  it isn't you.  I have almost an identical list.

I think underlying all of it are 2 things:

1.  The obvious dislike so many of them have for the grass roots.
2.  The cowardice so many show when dealing with the left.

You know,  people don't have to love Palin or support her.  But these backbiting efforts and dismissive comments about her have made me angry,  because it's sort of like telling me that MY opinion isn't important.

In addition,  many in the political class are simply not understanding how worried and upset about all of this stuff we are out here.  You tell them you want them to stand up for us,  and then they all bow to Obama's new tone (despite the fact that a much nicer George Bush got NO cooperation in that for 8 years from democrats).

It's just upsetting.  I feel like I am going to go full-out nuts if they nominate huckabee or Gingrich.

71 OOOOO.....that was bold.....Just said on CNBC...."Gee Eee and Golden Slacks ruling the world.."

72 Now, is that the biggest nothing-burger you have ever heard?  It's a place to TALK!  And somehow WE are rpoviding nuclear technology for it.

As I said, it has to be something else because the stated reason is just too stupid for anyone to believe.

73

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Oh, boy.

74 Perhaps some dude who's last name starts and ends with an "S", and is also a palindrome?

I was thinking a "y".

75 All you military types....what's a DFAC?

My son speaks in militaryese and I'm tired of asking what each acronym means.

76 70 O-brother. This is going to set everyone off!
_____________________________________________
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Posted by: Dustoff at January 19, 2011 09:02 AM (81ia8

Then why the money and lawyers to protect something that doesn't exist? That doesn't make sense.

AND how do we have a president if we aren't constitutionally assured of his birth place?

77

#60 - I wasn't trying to be funny. But did I hit a nerve?

No, you're an asshole for joking about a sailor being lost at sea.

Next.

 

78 Well, I'm sure the idiot probably saw this in a movie somewhere.

It was in a John Ringo book as well, but I would bet that this guy doesn't read John Ringo.

79 All you military types....what's a DFAC?

Dining facility.

80 Newt's worthless.  Where has the rest of the 2012 field been?  All I can find googling "romney tuscon" is a statement released the day of the event with no commentary about the anti-American bigotry of the media in the week that followed.

81 Dining facility.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 19, 2011 09:06 AM (B+qrE)

Ooooh....thanks!

82

72 Right. I don't necessarily think that Palin is the best candidate, however, I do see her strengths, one of which is that she doesn't go all rino, base hating every chance she gets or when backed into a corner.

There was some idiot on here yesterday who was insisting that she was "despised by a majority of americans." When challenged, he bit back accusing me of illogic. I ran the numbers of Palin disapproval ratings for independents, republicans and democrats from Gallup. It came to 42% (from Gallup no less) which are identical to Barky's disapproval numbers from yesterday alone. Why insist she's hated if you aren't a lib or one of these "I find the base stinky and low" elitists?

83 #79 - Go fuck yourself, you imbecile. I won't rxplain it to you. You're too stupid.

84 Ok, Now the "hu's on first jokes are starting to be stale"

They just said on CNBC that the last time there was a China state visit was with Bill clinton.   So someone said "yeah and they got all the secrets" and then someone else said "well this time Gee Eee is giving them their engine" and the person walked away.  Anyone know anything about this or was the person just joking?

85 DFAC dining facility--mess hall.

86 Well they only accused him of starving children, not inciting the murder of them, as I recall. But talk about 'the pot calling the kettle'

87 Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Cite, please.  This looks like a telelphone mutation of a WorldNetDaily story that was floating around yesterday indicating that a member of his staff, who was refusing to schedule an interview between them and the governor, said something of this sort in passing.

88 Cite, please.  This looks like a telelphone mutation of a WorldNetDaily story that was floating around yesterday indicating that a member of his staff, who was refusing to schedule an interview between them and the governor, said something of this sort in passing.

Posted by: Methos at January 19, 2011 09:12 AM (Ew1k4)

It is WND....I read it earlier this morning.

89 Scott Speicher was shot down over Iraq 20 years ago on January 1, 1991.  Friend Buddy Harris, who had access to reports, says Speicher was alive several weeks to years after his plane went down.

90 Heard a discussion yesterday from two old guys.  One of the guys was annoyed that the flag of China was flying at the White House and he was telling the other guy that that is against the law.   the other guy apparently agreed with him but said "well there's nothing you can do about it even if it is against the law, can you"...

Is it against the law?

91 86 Bubba let a lot of satellite guidance technology be sent to China.Unfortunately the same guidance that puts satellites in the proper orbit puts a missile bus in the right place to release it's RV's.

92 92 I thought they recoverd his remains?

93 They just said on CNBC that the last time there was a China state visit was with Bill clinton.

"Bush was unwilling to host a state dinner in part because he was conscious of US public concern over China's human rights record."

Toonces envies Hu's ability to make dissenters disappear (even the ones who aren't worth cash for their kidneys).

94 Too bad we won't have a defense budget in a few years to invest more in such promising research:

Invisible Tanks, Planes and Armor Could Hit Battlefields in 5 Years

95 people are certainly paying attention.  apaprently Bush only fed this guy lunch.  There was a discussion that Bush would have fed him "good old fashioned American beef" and that the wondered what was on the menu for the state dinner.  Lot of American Chinese food jokes and not being full....

96 97 Hey,we'll have millions of invisible tanks and planes.Parked right over there......

97 At first when I saw this story at Yahoo I thought: Uh, oh.  But after reading/digesting it, I'm thinking it's a case of manufactured outrage.  The statement the governor made was at a private church service, after the inauguration - not at a state event. 

I wonder why someone reported it, though.  Or if the media were invited to the service.  If the latter, that was dumb on the governor's (staff's) part. 

98 @97
So, anyone the US gets into a war with is going to have to shoot at empty space anytime they thought they saw something, like in Predator?  That'll be good for getting into their heads.

99 #86  They just said on CNBC that the last time there was a China state visit was with Bill clinton.   So someone said "yeah and they got all the secrets" and then someone else said "well this time Gee Eee is giving them their engine" and the person walked away.  Anyone know anything about this or was the person just joking?

I dunno.  I thought the Chi-Coms haven't designed/stolen a proper engine for their J-20 yet?  The plane design is basically a Russian knock-off anyway.

100 Beck is very funny today:  "Please, if you are a nut job, take the program off for a moment while we say this word"....

Anyone having trouble posting and with the site loading.  I literally have to go off the site and come back on to post.

101 That'll be good for getting into their heads.

Posted by: Methos at January 19, 2011 09:24 AM (Ew1k4)

They should name it the Sarah Palin line.

102 Coordinated assault on five synagogues and a school in Montreal.

Canadian authorities too busy banning antique pop songs to care.

103

Soldier Stabbed on Airplane

[ . . . ]

Allegedly Robert Paterson, 38, stabbed the soldier, Nicholas Shipley, 20, in the neck, reports ABC News affiliate KTRK. The men were on an Express Jet flight to Savannah, Ga. when a fight began on the plane while it was on the tarmac. After a flight attendant tried to calm the men down, police say Paterson stabbed Shipley.

"That isn't really what happened, but I don't really think I can say anything one way or the other to be honest with you," Paterson says in a phone interview to the news station from his home in South Carolina. "I don't want to make my situation worse."

According to eyewitnesses, Paterson had a window punch in his hands, which are typically used by police and emergency personnel to break glass and rescue someone from a bad car accident. Window punches aren't on the list of prohibited travel items.

[ . . . ]

A TSA spokesperson wouldn't comment on the case or on how the tool got through security.

104 105 Neo Nazis or muzzies??

105 Why are we not getting a translation of Hu's comments?  CNBC got so bored listening to him they took it off.  They said they'd go back for Obama's remarks.

106 Gov. Christie epically brightens my day. Although, I would have written the headline "Gov. Christie tells Sen. Chuck Schumer (Traitor - NY) to STFU" http://videos.nj.com/star-ledger/2011/01/chris_christie_responds_to_ny.html

107 Obama delivers gentle scold of China's human rights policy saying "world is more just" when universal rights of every human being is upheld.

Unless the human being was born alive after the abortionist fucked up, right, Barry?

108 105 Coordinated assault on five synagogues and a school in Montreal.

Canadian authorities too busy banning antique pop songs to care.   American jews chalk it up to the tea party

109 Posted by: Ed Anger at January 19, 2011 09:28 AM (7+pP9)

Was this guy an air marshal?

110

Canadian authorities too busy banning antique pop songs to care.

If only you knew the true destructive power of Dire Straights..

111 16 Hu is the mass murderer of Tibetans, not to mention all others deemed "undesirable" under his governance.

Obama's Chinese love affair is a blood lust.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 19, 2011 07:34 AM (H+LJc)

What is this "Tibet"?  I thought I heard about it when Bush was president, but nothing under Obama.

I can only conclude that the evil Bush had it destroyed.

112 Was this guy an air marshal?

Posted by: curious at January 19, 2011 09:29 AM (p302b)

Yes, air marshal's are armed with window punches and pick fights with 20 year old soldiers while on the tarmac.

113

Hey,we'll have millions of invisible tanks and planes.Parked right over there......

maybe we already have them?

114

I'd like to see a petition in Congress in favor of global warming.

I'd also like to start a political party: The Temp Is Too Damned Low.

115 Hey Vic,  this will brighten up your day.  One less thug to worry about.

http://tinyurl.com/4dqtlle

Check out the face tattoo!  Good Christian boy, no doubt.

116

Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Builders began work on fewer homes than projected in December, a sign the industry that triggered the recession continued to struggle more than a year into the U.S. economic recovery.

Housing starts fell 4.3 percent to a 529,000 annual rate, the lowest level since October 2009, Commerce Department figures showed today in Washington.

 

How unexpected.

117 Instead of invisible tanks, let's work on making our debt invisible

118 We must outlaw these dangerous window punches!!!

119

Hey,we'll have millions of invisible tanks and planes.Parked right over there......

The General's New Hardware?

120 My son speaks in militaryese and I'm tired of asking what each acronym means.

Posted by: Tami at January 19, 2011 09:04 AM (VuLos)

That's FUBAR

121 Wisconsin Officially Requests to Join Suit Against Obamacare

“The Constitution places limits on the power of the federal government, and these limits must be defended or they will disappear,” said Wisconsin Attorney General J. B. Van Hollen. “Never before has the federal government required an individual to either buy government-approved insurance or pay apenalty. And nowhere does the Constitution authorize Congress to regulate in this manner.”

122 Every time Obama meets with a world leader(particularly of a nation hostile to the US),I cringe.Who know's what that anti American douche is giving away behind closed doors.

123 Wow, a path through the garbage for the dalai lama and a red carpet for Hu?

Bet the human rights activists will be out in force today?

124 121 We must outlaw these dangerous window punches!!!

Posted by: Typical dumbass congresscritter at January 19, 2011 09:36 AM (N0IBC)

Wait until the next fistfight on a plane.

Or, worse, the next couple that joins the mile-high club.

125

My son speaks in militaryese and I'm tired of asking what each acronym means.

Damn FNGs. 

126 If only you knew the true destructive power of Dire Straights..

ITYM Dire Straits.  "Dire Straights" sounds like Andrew Sullivan's side project.

127 The Chinese Army is believed to have built an underground "Great Wall" that stretches for more than 5,000 km in the Hebei region of northern China. Citing the People's Liberation Army's official newsletter, the Ta Kung Pao daily of Hong Kong on Saturday said China's strategic missile squadron, the Second Artillery Division, built a massive underground tunnel to conceal nuclear weapons, including the Dongfeng 5 intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 13,000 km.
...
The purpose of the secretly constructed underground Great Wall is to give China a second chance after a nuclear attack, military experts said. The main objective of the Second Artillery Division is to be able to launch a counterattack against enemy targets after escaping the first volley of attacks. The Ta Kung Pao daily reported that it was unprecedented for the PLA's newsletter to reveal classified information about the tunnels and that this demonstrates Beijing's confidence in its military power.

China will have a "second chance" ?
Let me tell you about M.A.D.

If having a "permanent orange Afro" is a "second chance" ...

128 ... continued to struggle more than a year into the U.S. economic recovery.

It's almost funny.

I need a drink.

129 Imagine what would happen in China if they put a statue of Mao in a box so they didn't have to be insulted by his visage?

130 I love the Storage Wars camera guys. Always showing Brandi's Rack.

131 Check out the face tattoo!

??? Didn't see a tattoo. Also noticed that the paper was quick to talk about "charging the guy who shot them". Why aren't they talking about giving him a reward?

132 Bet the human rights activists will be out in force today?

The Guardian says there will be a candlelight vigil outside the WH during the state dinner...Tibetans, Uighurs, Tawanese.  American hippies, not so much.

<steyn>It's Uighur Wednesday!</steyn>

133 "93 Heard a discussion yesterday from two old guys.  One of the guys was annoyed that the flag of China was flying at the White House and he was telling the other guy that that is against the law.   the other guy apparently agreed with him but said "well there's nothing you can do about it even if it is against the law, can you"...

Is it against the law?"
Flags of other countries can be flown, but the US flag should always be flown higher than those of other principalities.   Don't know if it is law, but it certainly is proper flag etiquette. So if it is not law, expect this administration to ignore the convention. Our representatives, especially the POTUS, are not supposed to bow to foreign leaders, either. The US recognizes no royalty over our people.  

134

From drudge via, WND(which is kind of a nutty site).

The Hawai'i gov says he can't find the long certificate of obama's birth.

Now before you go nuts, I knew as soon as he vocally made a big deal about releasing it that it was a ploy.  He is doing Obama a solid. Obama need the Birthers to be big news in 2012. He needs to be able to tie nuts to the Tea Party. So he can lump all his opponents as racist extremists who are out of touch with reality.

There is a reason he doesn't release it. This benefits Obama.

135 Funny that the Chinese flag appears to be higher than ours. Of course there are two of ours and one of theirs. Don't know if that makes a difference.

136 I'd also like to start a political party: The Temp Is Too Damned Low.

How about The Science is Too Damn Fake

137 I rarely read Malkin but this would be funny if it wasn't so sad:  "The official ceremony signifying the end the state dinner will consist of a server wearing white gloves bringing President Obama the check on a gold plated serving tray, Timothy Geithner will commence recommending raising the debt ceiling, and Joe Biden will then ceremoniously borrow the money from Hu to cover the bill."

138 Let's hope Hu doesn't say,"I got it last time."

139 Things going swimmingly in Afghanistan and Iraq ..


Saying that WND is "kind of a nutty site" is like saying that the Taliban are "sort of mean",

140 Dude pays his $14K tuition at the Univ. of Colorado in one-dollar bills.

Even if he's an out-of-stater, how the hell does tuition cost $14K at a state school?

141

Even if he's an out-of-stater, how the hell does tuition cost $14K at a state school?

I had a friend go to UC Boulder, he was out of state and it was in the high 20s low 30s, this was in the early 2000s.

It's an expensive and massive school with 80% of its student body being potheads

142 143 Va state schools are all between 12 and 15 thousand. That's a bargain.

143 “The Fifth Amendment speaks specifically to denying someone their life and liberty without due process,” Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Enron) said in a speech on the House floor. “That is what H.R. 2 [A Bill To Repeal The Job-Killing Health Care Law And Reconciliation Act Of 2010] does and I rise in opposition to it. And I rise in opposition because it is important that we preserve lives and we recognize that 40 million-plus are uninsured."
...
“Can you tell me what’s more unconstitutional than taking away from the people of America their Fifth Amendment rights, their Fourteenth Amendment rights, and the right to equal protection under the law?”

It must be unconstitutional to have a Congressional representative this stupid.

144 Hell, my son's high school tuition in a catholic school is 12K and the catholic elem school for the little one is 6K. Out of state WVU including room and board is 27K. The private school that I went to is now 32K. None of those include books, uniforms etc. (Even though the uniform is the biggest bargain going. Oldest wore the same pair of kacki pants, same shirts, and the despised sweater vest and tie for 4 years.)

145 Beck just said "the EU has scrubbed Christian holidays from it's school calendar but kept prominent Jewish and Muslim holidays"

What?

146 Mallamutt, make sure that your oldest works towards a marketable degree.

A lot of these kids are investing huge amounts for a degree that won't get them more than a part-time Starbucks job.

147 Thanks for the reality check.  I graduated from a public law school in '95 (undergrad in '89, grad school in '92) and didn't spend anything close to that for tuition.  As someone mentioned above, hopefully that includes everything, but I took the story to literally mean "tuition," which is (or was) only part of the total price.

As you can tell, I have no kids.  Yikes.

148 Posted by: Ben at January 19, 2011 10:00 AM (wuv1c)

Most state schools are about fourteen grand and the out of staters usually pay at least twice that amount and then room and board.  The in staters make the out of staters feel uncomfortable always asking "why would you come here and pay such high out of state tuition"....implying "boy are you stupid".  except in NY where the state schools are better than most private institutions.  In NY they ask of the out of staters "what are you doing here, my friend who is way smarter than you didn't get in?"

149 #153  It also explains why schools seek out foreign students with money (like Saudis) because they pay the out-of-state fees without batting an eye.

150 Beck just said "the EU has scrubbed Christian holidays from it's school calendar but kept prominent Jewish and Muslim holidays"

What?

Posted by: curious at January 19, 2011 10:07 AM (p302b)

Yup.  Saw that same info on other sources. 

F'ing Eurotrash.  If it weren't for the fact that they're gonna destroy all the art and most of the good architecture, I'd laugh when the muzzies take over and start their head chopping and public raping.  If only Europe could be wholly depopulated and made into a big museum celebrating our more glorious past...

 

151 #79 - Go fuck yourself, you imbecile. I won't rxplain it to you. You're too stupid.

Posted by: Brian at January 19, 2011 09:11 AM (sYrWB)

I'd like to welcome Vice President Biden to AOSHQ.

152

My son speaks in militaryese and I'm tired of asking what each acronym means.

Damn FNGs. 

 

I think it's BOHICA time.

153 #156 - Yeah, folks, that's as clever as that paranoid imbecile gets.. Too funny. LOL

154 Somebody fix the sidebar link to the Obama/Hu intimate dinner.  I click on it and get an update of the AoS main page.

155 I just checked the numbers for the University of Colorado.  It looks like at present 6.8% of their operating budget revenues comes from the State of Colorado. 

State schools are not what people think they are. 

156 Abe Vigoda:  Still Alive.

157 except in NY where the state schools are better than most private institutions.

Nobody is going to see "SUNY-Oswego" on your resume and think you got a better education than Harvard, Notre Dame, Grinnell...

158 #147 - You've got it the wrong way around.  If the Chi-Coms expect to get paid the trillion dollars that we owe them, we own them, not visa versa.

159 49 

U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap.  

Posted by: Brian at January 19, 2011 08:32 AM (sYrWB)

Brian - you're a heartless dickhead, and possible Moby.

 

160 Let’s face the fact that “crosshairs” only became a point of sensitivity with Democrats because they only shoot blanks.
At least Sarah Palin bagged 18 out of 20 of the targets she had in her “crosshairs.”

161 LOL - Define "Moby"

162 Newt or any other sonofabitch that tries to get the nomination by trashing SP will not get my vote in the general.  Beat her on the issues.  Trash her personally and I stay home.

163 As the economy went into the toilet it's harder to get into an upper tier in-state state school. The private ones (not top tier) are easy; they need the money. The state schools love out-of-state since you pay more. My second son, who could really go anywhere he wants is struggling with my verdict that he has to go to Willam and Mary, UVA or (bleh) VaTech. He's in love with the idea of somewhere away. Oldest only got into out of state and private. The out of state public was cheaper than the private in state. High IQ, attention span of a beagle puppy.

164 63 Perhaps some dude who's last name starts and ends with an "S", and is also a palindrome?
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Shuckabeebakcuhs?

165

U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap.  

It was a female sailor and I find your joke very fucking tastless.

166 Is Mark Steyn the best writer and observer or what? Man, what an article.

167

Not just tasteless, but fucking tasteless, eh? Whoa.

(I'm trying to be ashamed of myself. I really am. Honest injun. But it just ain't work'n.)

Get a grip ..., and, oh yeah,  get a life. Geezez. 

168 Beat her on the issues.  Trash her personally and I stay home.

The challenge with discussing Palin is that things that some of us take as substantive criticisms of her (or any candidate) are interpreted as personal attacks by some of her most avid supporters.  For example, any attempt to bring up "qualifications" - as in "experience" or "work history" - is often dismissed as irrelevant.  Any attempt to argue otherwise and assert that qualifications matter is taken as a personal attack on Palin. 

Someone last week (at another site) was saying that Huckabee and Romney are as divisive as Palin, but I really don't think they are.  The people who oppose those two candidates do so very vocally, but I don't see nearly as much jumping the gun to eleventy from their supporters.  Unfortunately, many of Palin's supporters think the best way to support her and show loyalty to her is to interpret every single thing uttered by a politician or pundit as an attack of her - or as a litmus test for that politician.  (The most recent example being Gov. Christie's statement about his own decision to run - or not run.)  Why people think Palin needed defending is beyond me.  She doesn't.  She's a strong, highly independent politician who takes her own counsel (and no one else's that I can see) and picks her own battles. 

I hope she doesn't run. 

169 Even community colleges go for the out-of-state. We have a community college that is absolutely beautiful, built with a somewhat Japanese style, and draws a lot of Japanese students. We pay anywhere from $8-$32 per unit, last I heard. Their bills are in the thousands for a full course load.

170

Get a grip ..., and, oh yeah,  get a life. Geezez. 

You've been called out Brian, by several people.  Is it that hard to admit it was tasteless and just apologize?  Maybe you are the one who should get a life and maybe next time refrain from trotting out the gay joke right off the bat.

171 93 Is it against the law?
-----
What's against the law is the *way* they're flying it.

They have a thingie attached to streetlights with three flag poles on it; two at an angle and one in the center, like this: \|/. The Chinese flag is on the center pole, making it higher than the US flag because it's not angled.

Don't recall where I saw the picture...

172 A lot of people "hope she doesn't run".  I won't have any trouble knowing the difference between disagreeing with her on the issues and calling her stupid, as Newt is doing. 

173 Nah, you don't get it, jewells.  Brian @71 "wasn't trying to be funny."  Apparently, on many naval vessels the showers are located on deck, right next to the rail.  He literally believed the sailor slipped in the shower reaching for a bar of soap. 

174 I've been "called out", huh???? LOL. Are you for real??? What is this, kindergarten?

175 @178   I think Newt is just trying to appear relevant.  I cannot believe he seriously thinks he has a shot at winning the nomination, whatever the polls may say. 

176 Someone last week (at another site) was saying that Huckabee and Romney are as divisive as Palin, but I really don't think they are.  The people who oppose those two candidates do so very vocally, but I don't see nearly as much jumping the gun to eleventy from their supporters.

Maybe they don't have many real supporters.

177 Okay, I apologize ...... for not taking you seriously.

178 Watch out, colin has deployed his deadly LOL.  All argument is now futile.

179

I've been "called out", huh???? LOL. Are you for real??? What is this, kindergarten?

Well, who's the one acting like a 5 year old?  Actually I take that back.  I know a few 5 year olds who wouldn't find your joke funny either.

180 134 Check out the face tattoo!

??? Didn't see a tattoo. Also noticed that the paper was quick to talk about "charging the guy who shot them". Why aren't they talking about giving him a reward?

Scroll through the pictures, the dead one is the last picture with the tattoo.

181 It's not a kindergarten, Brian. It's a community. You pissed on the rug.

182 49, Brian, you seriously think your comment about the missing sailor is funny? You truly don't find it tasteless and cruel? How old are you?

183 Maybe they don't have many real supporters

I don't know about Huckabee (they may just be cowed into submission because so many of us slam him), but I believe Romney does.  We're always reading about the ruling class supporting him and generally there's a lot of finger-pointing in the comment sections of folks (usually Palin supporters from what I can glean) "accusing" other commenters of being Romney supporters.  I don't frequent those sites often enough to know the players, so it's hard to say if it's that they really are Romney supporters of merely perceived to be Romney supporters because they criticized Palin.

That's sort of my point.  The Huck and Romney folks don't interpret every single utterance as being directed at their candidate.  Generally the anti-Romney stuff is very out in the open.  Whereas statements or news stories that don't even have Palin's name in them become about Palin. 

I find it counter-productive and tiresome, which is why I don't spend much time over at HA any longer.  And, as a disappointed Fred! donor I can tell you that the only reason I gave to McCain was because of Palin.  But now I don't see her as an asset -- at least, not as a candidate. 

If Palin runs, she needs a more sophisticated communications team doing her messaging, imho. 

184 178 I know that you are right.  Newt is trying to buy his way back into relevance by talking down Palin, which every imbecile in DC and Hollywood knows is the easiest way to grab a headline today.   I'm letting them know it doesn't play well with me.  I am not trying to speak for anyone else.

185 LOL

186 Women!!!!  Argh!!!!!  LOL!!!!!

187 @190
Yeah, sorry.  I was kind of putting you in a position of defending all Palin supporters, wasn't I?  'Didn't mean to do that. 

188 LOL.  You people can't see how serious I was being when I was observing how the sailor fell overboard.  I am contributing so much to this thread with my ill-informed speculations.  lol!!! 

189 C'mon, dimwits. Get some more sock puppet reinforcements. I'm getting bored.

190 Have no doubt, the GOP is in full Anybody Except Palin mode. Palin proves one thing that the GOP farts and the Democrats never want the American people to see: you do not need the Government to be a happy and successful person. To me most criticism of Palin comes from emotional reflex and does not hold up well under scrutiny.

191

49 Brian, that's uncalled for and out of line -- one, you're making assumptions, and two, the guy is likely dead.  Not classy; not classy at all.

 

192 Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2011 10:49 AM (pW2o

I don't dislike Romney so much as I feel he had a chance to make a case for himself in 2008 and failed miserably.  Don't get me wrong; I think he'd be a far better President than Il Douche and would gladly vote for him against that cocksucker if given the chance but I don't see that many other people feeling that way.  I don't think he has the right personality to get enough people on board with him.  Plus I'm almost always going to be at odds with whoever Hugh Hewitt is in favor of.

Huckabee strikes me as somebody the STM would love to have as a Repub candidate.  He might be a nice guy but just seems like a provincial fringe candidate with no chance of ever winning in a national race.

193 49

U.S. Navy sailor falls overboard from a missle destroyer and is now missing at sea. Gee, gotta wonder if  he was a homo who accidentally slipped on a bar of soap. 

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71

#60 - I wasn't trying to be funny. But did I hit a nerve?

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So what was the point of your first post, Brian? 

194 Brian, You fucked up. Admit it.

195 Palin-- She is SO much better as a speaker than Barry and many politicians. But I think she would have to be as good as Reagan, maybe even better to rise above all the media attacks, lies and slanders to have a good chance of being elected and I don't think she is THAT good, not yet. I'm rather hoping she draws the attention and attacks and someone like maybe Mitch Daniels gets the GOP nomination instead of stale old Huck or Romney.

196 193 No problem.  I didn't take it that way. 

197 heather radish,

Not arguing.

But stomach parasites certainly plays the sympathy card while distracting attention from the possibility of recognizing drug addiction and habitual vacations to Bulimia.

198 Gabe, you got the keys, right?
Banhammer, right now. You'll be respected for it.

"Brian," if that's your name, you were born bored.
The world is not enough for you.
Here's an invitation to leave it.

199 y-not: 

Agree with you on some issues with Palin and her supporters.  However,  I never hear any talk of experience when it comes to other candidates.  For example,  while Palin is deemed to have inferior experience,  a bunch of people are floating Pence,  who has only legislative experience and whose only private sector work was as a radio talk show host.  In addition,  Christie has no more executive experience right now than Palin has,  but he is routinely wistfully pined for as a candidate.

Palin's family is often hauled out as a disqualifier,  but no one addresses Romney's 5 sons who have never served in the military,  nor Huckabee's family whose fat son got in trouble for abusing a dog.  

I myself would prefer an even standard for everyone.  I am not certain Palin is the best candidate but at least when conservatives were attacked she didn't hide under her desk like all the rest of them.

I will be very surprised if she runs,  given the amount of attacks she has already undergone.  I will be interested in what all of the hand-wringers have to say when she is out of the picture and the media sites get turned on the next front-runner,  as they surely will.

200 @198

I voted for Romney in the CA primary - he was what was left - but he is not in my top tier for 2012.  The only way he could get there is two-fold: fully and clearly repudiate government health care and actually do something that demonstrates that he is ready to govern as a conservative (and I don't mean as a perfect litmus test conservative, but as a solid fiscal conservative).  My preference would be to see him run some enterprise - private or public - that was about real health care reform focusing on private sector efforts (in terms of health care delivery and insurance coverage). 

In my heart of hearts, I would vote for Huckabee over Obama... but I'd be damned unhappy about it. 

The only "Republican" I wouldn't vote for in 2012 (that I know of) is Ron Paul. 

201 /And btw, among the stfu mandates from the current reincarnated "New Deal" Left-Over Incivility of Progressives, and conveniently timed with Obama's official onset of his '12 re-election campaign from Tucson, Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie publicly admits that his reason to not produce it is because a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. Until what isn't suddenly is. As if fabricating documents is beyond globalist or federal official capability. Perhaps CYA Abercrombie simply is falling back a la Col.Klink's, "I know nuhtink!" to reference that so far as he's concerned, he isn't going to take the fall for anyone either way.

"What is truth?" Ambercrombie asked. With this he went out again to the birthers and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him," saving '12 powers to be resurrected. /

202

199 To illustrate once and for all that he's a miserable sack of shit.

Guys overboard is a gruesome thing -- it's horrible, and tasteless jokes are beyond the pale.  Now he's backing them up.  Get stuffed Brian, you prick.

203 Hmmm, is there any way that I can bow out of this, and look, you know, "classy"?

204 Hey Brian- Man up, say you are sorry, then shut up.

205 Mitt Romney likes big, intrusive Government. He likes mandates. He likes "healthcare reform". Why would a Conservative vote for him? Palin is easily superior to Mitt in Conservative convictions, courage, and strategic thinking. Mitt is a talking suit.

206 174 She's running.  Better find somone who can beat her.

207 #210 - Hmmm, can we compromise?

208 207 Actually, that would be Sgt. Schultz, but that is a rather interesting bit of info.  I've never been much on the birther thing -- but something about it doesn't smell right, and sounds like the boy king got a bit of a lucky break recently.

209 Guys overboard is a gruesome thing

Word.  One of the most effective advertisements I ever saw as a picture taken off the stern of a sailboat in 20 ft seas, at night, in a gale.  Blowing spray, lightning, the works.  

It was an ad for personal strobelights.  The caption:  The man in this picture fired a flare 10 seconds ago.  Of course, no man is visible.

Needless to say, I have them attached to the pfds now.

210 I should clarify that the reason I'd rather not see Palin run is that as of right now I don't think the resulting primary would be good for the party.  I think there'd be too much finger-pointing and flaming out of the prospective candidate pools, too much "history" of who screwed who over, and the like for the nominee to emerge unscathed. 

That opinion could change, but right now it seems like Palin truly is playing to her base and not being successful in being perceived as a national leader for folks beyond a subset of conservatives.  I was disappointed that she chose Sean Hannity for her post-Arizona interview, for example. 

I would be delighted if the country could get to a place where we are discussing energy policy or government reform or other areas in which Palin has expertise, but we are not any where near that place yet. 

And, although I do not think that "blood libel" was an anti-Semitic phrase (obviously), I do believe it was ill-chosen.  She needs choose her words more carefully.  Yes, Obama gets away with that crap, but we all know that's the case.  I believe at least one of the two people in charge of her communications team is a neophyte at this sort of thing and it shows.  I don't know about the other person. 

211 210 What Muse said, but at this point I'm thinking "foadiaf" myself.

212 Whoa boy!  Philly Dr. Kermit Gosnell up on charges for murdering newborns.  Apparently he didn't get the correct licensing and permits from the Obama Administration.

No word yet on whether he's hit the lottery.

213 I would like fresh faces for 2012, not re-treads. 

214 163 except in NY where the state schools are better than most private institutions.

Nobody is going to see "SUNY-Oswego" on your resume and think you got a better education than Harvard, Notre Dame, Grinnell...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 19, 2011 10:17 AM (4ucxv)

true, but there is a certain standard.  It's more difficult to get into Bingampton, Stony Brook and CUNY now than ever before.  It's suddenly "in" to go to a state school cause all the WS glitterati pulled their kids out of the pricey private institutions and put them in the top tier of the state schools.  It's now impossible to get into the NYS part of Cornell.  I mean finally, that MSNBC guy's degree might be worth something.

215 where is grinnell?  I never heard of it.

216 It's no fun to play with you batty, reactionary dimwits. You make it too easy.

217 Does anyone else remember the youngish former Hawaiian State employee who said the BC was a running joke around the State House?  They can't find it because it doesn't exist.

218 @222 It's no fun to play with you batty, reactionary dimwits

I asked you what the purpose of your statement was in light of the fact you said it was not intended to be funny, but for some reason you're choosing to not explain it.  Your initial post wasn't accurate (the sailor was female) and there was no link to a news headline, so what was the purpose? 

219 I've been told by too many lib/dems lately that the republican candidate will be Newt.  I've been told that they will push for Huckabee and Mitt and maybe even Rudy but in the end, Newt will be the chosen one.  They've told me that  Sarah Palin won't even be a factor.  considering that it does sort of seem like the dems always pick the GOP candidate I was horrified that they have been saying "newt".

Sarah Palin won't announce if she is running any time soon.  She is enjoying being the only private citizen in the country who can draw more people than the president.  Since she has "private citizen status" it must be maddening that the president can't address her directly which is why the minions are out in full force.

220 so what was the purpose? 

Shit stirring.

221 Palin resigned as Governor half way through under the guise if being sued based in laws she pushed through and now has seemed to have forgotten about like OJ searching for the real killers. She also thought it smart to do a reality show which should be a disqualification for any Presidential candidate. Let's not talk about her being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

222 225 I've been told by too many lib/dems lately that the republican candidate will be Newt.

I just don't see it.  Those scenarios may be what they want, but I don't see anyone backing Newt or going to him even as a second-choice candidate.  If we fail to identify a leader that everyone can get enthusiastically behind, I think the nominee will wind up being Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels.  And I suspect they'd lose -- assuming Obama gets his imaging and messaging back under control. 

Personally, I'd go for a Representative or Senator if that person had been very active in Congress.  I'd also rather go for a current one, not someone who's been out of office being a pundit for several years. 

223 Y-not, 

I'm not sure what soured you on Palin to the point that you don't see her as an asset as a candidate after being for her after McCain chose her as a running mate.  Obviously it was something because you strike me as a fairly standup poster unlike some of the squishballs here; and maybe I'm blind to some of her flaws because I consider her such a desirable candidate from the standpoint that she's such a refreshing change from the Indonesian Imbecile.  But I've yet to find out anything about her that makes me question her suitability for office.

Ironically it was probably choosing her for the ticket which is what offended turd McCain's "friends" in the salad tossing media to the point of rejecting the ol' Mav forever.

224

I see you're a woman. But I'm not your henpecked husband. You're barking up the wrong tree.

BTW, don't you have some dishes to do or some beds to make, or something?

Now, don't get your panties in wad again. I was just ask'n.

225 And, although I do not think that "blood libel" was an anti-Semitic phrase (obviously), I do believe it was ill-chosen. She needs choose her words more carefully. Yes, Obama gets away with that crap, but we all know that's the case. I believe at least one of the two people in charge of her communications team is a neophyte at this sort of thing and it shows. I don't know about the other person. Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2011 11:13 AM (pW2o Why reject accuracy? She called it right. You want some focus group or team of experts to figure out the "just right" thing to say?

226 I've been told by too many lib/dems lately that the republican candidate will be Newt.

He has no constituency.  If we end up with a consensus candidate that no one really likes, it will be T-Pal. 

227 or T-Paw

either or

228 Palin resigned as Governor half way through under the guise if being sued based in laws she pushed through and now has seemed to have forgotten about like OJ searching for the real killers. She also thought it smart to do a reality show which should be a disqualification for any Presidential candidate. Let's not talk about her being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. Posted by: Joe at January 19, 2011 11:22 AM (A3oMO) No mention of her lace wig addiction? C'mon, you're too sloppy.

229 222 It's no fun to play with you batty, reactionary dimwits. You make it too easy.

Posted by: Brian at January 19, 2011 11:16 AM (sYrWB)

Then go back to looking for dates during recess at the local gradeschool if we're so fucking boring to you. 

Why do our trolls suck so bad?  Maybe we could import the trolls from Althouse's blog.  It would be a step up from this dumbshit.

230 Palerider

Newt for Newt the slimy salamander, anything for a buck and Keep Austin Weird.

But as to Palin, "Shut Up" simply doesn't reflect mature statesmanship and doesn't sound presidential, no matter the context for repeating that "I'm not going to shut up."

She should polish her phraseology. By all means, say it like it is. But don't fall into soundbite traps when you call it like you see it, requiring entire campaigns to excuse a bad choice of words, squandering political capital. The Tea Party movement is not about explaining what Sarah Palin meant, despite what her fans think, say or do.

pff. How hard could it be to choose words artfully before submitting written text and video speech? "Leftist hounds and enablers are barking up a storm for public riot as if to erase my existence. Their hurtful message repeats "stfu!" But I will not be silenced. I will not stand back to allow group think or mobs to erase the truthful record. I will be heard! My record is honorable because I hold to the US Constitution, rule of law, and fiscal solvency."

231 What you got no real response eman so you decide to be you're usual unwitty self?

232 #235 - Yeah, right. LOL Is that the best that you've got?

233 "Palin resigned as Governor half way through under the guise if being sued based in laws she pushed through and now has seemed to have forgotten about like OJ searching for the real killers. She also thought it smart to do a reality show which should be a disqualification for any Presidential candidate. Let's not talk about her being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

Posted by: Joe at January 19, 2011 11:22 AM (A3oMO)"

By saying "under the guise" you are essentially saying you didn't believe her.  Let me refresh your memory, don't you recall that the dems were saying they were going to tie her and her state up with lawsuits for the remainder of her tenure as governor.  She was practical, she decided that her state and the people of Alaska were more important than her own political career and, she decided to let them off the hook.  Plus she gave them a chance to get to know the lieutenant governor.  It turns out it was a very smart move.  And this is a capitalist system, if you can make oodles of money you are entitled to do so.  She grabbed her 15 minutes and is stretching it, masterfully, into hours and hours and she has kept herself so relevant that they keep attacking her at every turn.   Since she is merely a private citizen, when all the elected officials were hiding in their offices she was out there "fighting the good fight".  I'd say for the idiot that the libs/dems/left claim that she is she has certainly designed a nice situation for herself to be in.  Even if she doesn't announce a run for the presidency she definitely will have a huge impact on who is our next president.

234


a step up from this dumbshit.

a step up from this...

Dumbkopf
Dupnik
Dipshit
Dhimmiwit
Dopetard

235 Since brian has entered john Ryan territory, does he get an appellation of his own?  Dunce being taken and all.

236

Toby, you're more tolerable when you're, um,  "pedantic" - by your loony defination, not by a dictionary definition.  LOL

Toby do try so hard to be relevant, don't he?

237 She should polish her phraseology. By all means, say it like it is. But don't fall into soundbite traps when you call it like you see it, requiring entire campaigns to excuse a bad choice of words, squandering political capital. The Tea Party movement is not about explaining what Sarah Palin meant, despite what her fans think, say or do.

pff. How hard could it be to choose words artfully before submitting written text and video speech? "Leftist hounds and enablers are barking up a storm for public riot as if to erase my existence. Their hurtful message repeats "stfu!" But I will not be silenced. I will not stand back to allow group think or mobs to erase the truthful record. I will be heard! My record is honorable because I hold to the US Constitution, rule of law, and fiscal solvency."

Posted by: maverick muse at January 19, 2011 11:28 AM (H+LJc)

You underestimate the media.  It doesn't matter what she says or how she says it, they'll find something to scream about.  The video she released 4 days after the shooting had nothing in it they could bitch about in words or phrase, so what do they do....accuse her of inserting herself into the story.  It's a no win situation.

238 whatever colin.  Just like in meatspace, you have no friends here either.

239 @229
I admire Palin and I thought she brought a lot to the ticket as VP, but - although I fully understand and even respect (on a personal level) her decision to resign for her family's sake - after looking more closely at her resume, I don't see her being prepared for the top slot.  When I supported her as VP, my feeling was she would learn on the job (she's clearly a quick study) and be prepared for POTUS after a few years on the national/international stage. 

My concern is that when she assumed a position where she had a lot of push-back (from what are clearly unsavory types like Lisa Moocowpat), she was unable to continue with her political agenda.  I love that she tried to reform Alaska (and did accomplish some things), but she wasn't able to complete her job.  I don't mean that she's a "quitter," but the fact remains that she ended her job sooner than she'd planned for reasons other than illness or something like that. 

I'm sure she learned things as mayor of a small city, but I don't think that prepared her to face a much more divided constituency at the state or national level. 

I think she also further developed her expertise when chairing the Oil & Gas Commission, but when I read up on what it really entailed, I saw less evidence of how it prepared her to be POTUS than I'd expected to see.  She was the public's representative on a three-person panel in which the other two were people (by law) with technical backgrounds, so it's not really an executive position as such, almost more of a political appointment. 

For Palin to move up to my top tier (and, trust me, I would vote for her over Obama, no doubt about that), I would like to see her back in an position where she is accountable to a broad constituency, either serving on boards of publicly traded corporations or as CEO of a significant company or non-profit.  Imagine how powerful her trip to Haiti would have been had she been head of the American Red Cross.  Frankly, I think even being something like NHL Commissioner would be a good stint for her. 


On a more emotional level, I am completely turned off by a subset of her extremely vocal supporters who make it impossible to discuss her - or the entire 2012 field - rationally.  I try to not let that factor into my assessment of her, but it is hard. 

I fully understand how people could love Gov. Palin.  I think she has an extremely compelling personal story and gives damned fine speeches on conservative issues.  And I think the folks who say she's stupid are transparently idiots themselves.  But I do not think they are helping her candidacy by being so quick to accuse people who criticize her -- or whom they perceive to be criticizing her, even when they aren't -- of being RINOs or disloyal to conservatism or whatnot.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but it is throughout much of the intertubes. 

240 Posted by: maverick muse at January 19, 2011 11:28 AM (H+LJc)

You think she isn't thinking, others think that she is carefully choosing every word, cognizant of sound bites, deliberately couching things in such a way that she gets broadcast everywhere.  She speaks plainly "I'm not going to shut up" is something a lot of us say.  It makes the point.   It's the American language and it tells everyone that she isn't living poll to poll to tell her what she should be thinking.

One of my friends just got married.  she is stunningly beautiful with a mind like a steel trap.  Her husband is rather plain looking but brilliant.  She dated guys in custom made suits who looked like male models and with huge bankbooks.  The guy she married is making a nice living but not wealthy by any means.  One of our other friends asked her "why him".   She said, "when I asked him, 'do I look fat in this dress" he said "well honey, you are a little bloated since it is that time of the month and maybe you should wear something else".  She said she knew he was the one because she's asked that question to every guy she dated and not a single one had the courage to tell her the truth.   Sarah makes the American people feel as though she is telling them the truth, even if isn't what they want to hear.

241 Let's not talk about her being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

It's understandable that a dhimmiwit avoids research. Rather, dhimmiwits possess the submissive penchant for fabricated inaccurate sound bite propaganda.

As if the fine print and unwritten Washingtonian agreements and all attached strings are available to up and coming new politicians, let alone the public at large, especially prior to the globally available internet age.

Let's not talk? Ask Pelosi about timing a vote prior to the text being written. Ask Obama about signing a bill into law prior to its text completion. Time documentation and time the release of content information. Then bring up before/against positions pertaining to governing officials; who knew what and when.

242

Pfew, I'm so relieved. If anybody asks if I was here, you will tell them that, won't you?

243 @231
Why reject accuracy? She called it right. You want some focus group or team of experts to figure out the "just right" thing to say?

Actually, in a way - yes.  She has her base completely sewn up, if she's really going to win over Independents and liberal/moderate Republicans it's time to be ultra-careful in statements she issues on hot-button topics like the attempted assassination of a Democrat congresswoman. 

I would have used much milder words and avoided anything with any violent imagery.  It wasn't necessary and it bit her on the ass. 

I'm pretty well-read and certainly overly-educated, but "blood libel" held no particular meaning for me.  I suspect for many folks, even the ones on the Left with the manufactured outrage, that was the case.  All they keyed in on was "blood" and when the Jewish history was thrown in, that gave them an excuse to go eleventy. 

It doesn't make someone less of a real conservative to be ultra-careful with their word choice in unique circumstances like that statement. 

244 What you got no real response eman so you decide to be you're usual unwitty self? Posted by: Joe at January 19, 2011 11:29 AM (A3oMO) When you say something worthy of more then perhaps you will get it.

245 How to freeze the debt ceiling without risking default?!?

Isn't that kind of backwards?  By which I mean that freezing the debt ceiling is the only path which might not end in default.

246 It doesn't make someone less of a real conservative to be ultra-careful with their word choice in unique circumstances like that statement. Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2011 11:44 AM (pW2o I submit she was ultra-careful with her word choice. The situation, above all else, required honesty. Somebody needed to speak up and call a spade a spade. Worrying about what independents and other folks might think is the way of the RINO.

247 @230
Was that directed at me? 

Maybe someday Brian you can get a real, live woman with a doctorate from the University of Chicago to cook your dinner and wash your - not doubt "soiled" - socks, but until then you'll just have to pretend you matter by trolling at AoSHQ. 

248 To work now I go.

249 Worrying about what independents and other folks might think is the way of the RINO.

Do you really think she can win the presidency, or even the nomination, without pulling votes from the middle?  (And that's assuming she pulls all conservatives, which I don't think she does.)

250

Gee, Y-not, I guess you told me. (I'll let you have the last word. You will anyway.)

251 It would be interesting to go back through Reagan's public remarks and speeches and see if he shifted his delivery as he entered the general election.  I don't honestly recall, but I thought I remember him being referred to as a teflon president.  And at the time I thought it seemed apt.  I wonder if we analyzed his statements we'd find that he used gentle language to deliver tough messages, particularly when he was a candidate. 

252 Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2011 11:51 AM (pW2o

Palin is like Chris Christie.  Every jerseyite I spoke with said they weren't voting for him, he was going to be too tough, yada yada....

and then, in the "privacy" of the voting booth, they pulled the lever for him....

Palin will be the same...."oh Palin is so stupid,...who could ever vote for her?" and then in the voting booth....

no one would see it coming....especially not the pollsters...

253 Ah, the irony in asking about someone else's "best" when the meat in any of your responses is "LOL". 

254 Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2011 11:38 AM (pW2o

Thanks for that response; you articulated your position very effectively even if I don't completely agree with it for subjective reasons.  I hope I don't come off as one of her blind supporters to the point of being offensive even though I'm completely in the tank for her.

255 @258
I hope you're right. 

I am continually amazed by the level of vitriol directed against her by the Left, even by people who strike me as fairly apolitical.  I understand opposing her on issues, but I don't understand the hatred.  But it's pretty strong and not very rational. 

256 I thought I remember him being referred to as a teflon president.

Keep in mind, that was the MFM, who hated him, doing that.

257 @260
Absolutely not. 

I have really struggled with my views about Palin.  Sorry for going on and on about it, but there are very few outlets for discussing her.  That's why I love this place and the commenters.

Event my husband and I don't discuss Palin.  He's not hostile toward her, but he never felt any enthusiasm for her (even as a VP candidate).  But he tends to be a little black raincloud (or perhaps a realist!) and felt all along that she would not be able to be a successful national candidate. 

It'll be interesting to see what happens. There are some folks in our circle out here in Utah who are extremely enthusiastic about Palin.  And these are powerful, influential people (known professionally, not as personal friends), so perhaps if I get a chance to hear why they're so enthusiastic about her I'll start to shift back toward her camp. 

258 You think she isn't thinking,

curious,

No, that's not correct.

I said that the criticism of Newt to Palin's speech only holds validity in my opinion regarding her repetition of the jarring phrase "I won't shut up!"

I don't want to hear my potus saying "shut up" whether in defense or offense. That is UGLY.

That's more of what ugliness we're being rudely abused by today from Washingtonians, regardless of the politician's personal/professional socio-economic upbringing and current status.

Strength of messaging does NOT require crude vulgarity, pedantry, archaic choice of words, elitism, foreign language, or even revisionism.

And don't argue that I just wrote that those means lack strength of messaging.

Of course Palin chose her words carefully. And "shut up!" is disturbing. So there it is, as if a person has to REPEATEDLY SAY "shut up" in order to be heard.  Evidently, she's convinced it was the right phrase to use or she certainly wouldn't have.

Right or wrong about her feelings about being heard, I maintain that saying "shut up" is juvenile and exposes the shouter's own emotional vulnerability rather than mature strength. You might recall, Joe Wilson's spontaneous outburst to Obama's whole cloth being sold nationally at the SOTU market wasn't "Shut Up!" Wilson's response was honest and simple, "You Lie!" And that cut to the quick as Obama lost his rehearsed TOTUS cadence, compounded meter with another lie, "It's the truth."

259 being referred to as a teflon president.

Clinton

260 “I am going to go back to Washington tomorrow and meet with the President of China. He is a dictator. He can do a lot of things through the form of government they have. Maybe I shouldn’t have said dictator, but they have a different type of government than we have and that is an understatement,” Reid said.

Reid is probably functionally correct with calling Hu a dictator but you've got to ask ...

Did Reid get so caught up in the rhetoric of DC that he forgot that the President is of his same party ?

I was always told the the Senate is the chamber of "statesmen." When the Majority Leader of the Senate forgets how to be a "statesmen" you really have got to wonder what is going through their minds.

261 I think Palin could have the presidency if she wanted it.   Problem is I'm not sure if she has decided whether she wants it or if she is having too much fun being a thorn in everyone's side.

262 1984 article in Time referring to Reagan as the teflon president. 


I fully confess that when Reagan was on the scene, especially the first time around (lead up and during his first term), I was not that into him.  I felt his speeches lacked substance.  I gravitated toward wonky types.  (I was in college and then grad school during Reagan's presidency.) 

Obviously, I was wrong about his substance as a world leader and POTUS. 

263 Well, Palin certainly holds the measuring stick up proving the invalidity of the GOP crew of charlatans vying to be king of the mountain, knocking her aside.

264 OMG, the jokes today about what Hu said on the white House lawn are hysterical.  In the absence of a translation, people are very funny and creative in a dark and scary sort of way.

265 Y-not

I remember the jaw drop when I first heard his "empire of evil" expression. Bold talk coming from what had seemed Mr. Nice Guy.

266 Gabe, how are you feeling?  Been praying that you get well.

267 @271
Yeah, I think he was the master of the iron fist in the velvet glove in a way. 

I just checked and he first used that expression in March 1983.  So I guess he ran more tough.  But I think he may have been less of a tough talker running for what turned out to be his first term.

Then again, my perspective was so different then, I may be wrong about that.

268 Seriously,  there was no translation?  So what DID he say?  (Hu)

269 Y-not

Some random thoughts for you to consider. 

1. Palin does use tough talk.  I think this is a conscious decision.  As a woman in a field which has been traditionally been male,  she is using language to appear tough so as to avoid the "not tough enough to be leader" stigma that often attaches to women. (Think Kay Bailey Hutchison as a contrast,  for example).

2.  One thing that is ignored by her speech last week was that she wasn't just defending herself.  She was defending US.  Did we hear any other GOP candidates do so?  No.  This is really of a concern to me because it indicates both cowardice and opportunism in the rest of the pack.

3.  At what point are we going to ignore the press's opinions on candidates?  It seems to me a lot of the Palin "divisiveness" is media-manufactured..  I just had a discussion with my liberal daughter about Palin.  Much of what she claimed about her was simply not true.  At the same time,  she was totally unaware of some of Obama's character flaws.  This is the MSM in action,  and for those who don't have time to dig out what's going on, they get false impressions of all of the candidates. 

I don't know the answer.  I don't know if Palin will run,  or if she will be a good candidate if she does do so.  I am reluctant,  however,  to scratch her off the list based on the behind-the-scenes sniping of her rivals, the attacks of the media and the rabid hatred of the left.  I do not think they should have such power.

270 OT: The word around Atlanta media circles is that Kathleen Parker is out and former FNC "Fox & Friends" host E.D. Hill is gonna be in.

271 276 OT: The word around Atlanta media circles is that Kathleen Parker is out and former FNC "Fox & Friends" host E.D. Hill is gonna be in.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at January 19, 2011 01:02 PM (KyR3d)

why did she leave fox?  Have heard that she was doing radio for a while.  Kathleen Parker was an actress playing a conservative. 

Most people would watch elliot without the female bling.

But by the time they realize this, it will be too late and elliot and his program will be but a memory.

272 E.D. would be a definite step up.

273 222 It's no fun to play with you batty, reactionary dimwits. You make it too easy.

Posted by: Brian at January 19, 2011 11:16 AM (sYrWB)

Some of you didn't figure this out days ago, but for those not yet entirely clear: Yep, it's a Moby.

Why some people have nothing better to do than drop turds where they're not wanted, I'll never know. I think it's referred to as an "anal expressive disorder."

Also, this statement is nonsensical - people didn't fall for your bait because they don't conform to your preconceived prejudices, and that makes them "batty reactionaries?"

What does that make you if you perceive the situation that way, other than delusional?

274 Some of you didn't figure this out days ago, but for those not yet entirely clear: Yep, it's a Moby.

I figured that out long ago. He does nothing but stir up flame wars. I don't even read his posts anymore. I highly recommend that everyone ignore him.

If he keeps this shit up perhaps Ace will ignite the banhammer. He did say a while back that the people who's only objective was to stir up trouble were going to get the boot.

275 E.D. Hill got the boot from Fox over the "fist-bump" statement. She made it at the time that Fox was in the supreme Obama asskissing mode. They backed off of that slightly but now have gone back to it.

276    Sarah makes the American people feel as though she is telling them the truth, even if isn't what they want to hear.

Posted by: curious at January 19, 2011 11:38 AM (p302b)

Exactly.  The truth has become a revolutionary act.  She's fighting the right battle.

277 3.  At what point are we going to ignore the press's opinions on candidates?  It seems to me a lot of the Palin "divisiveness" is media-manufactured.

I agree.  I think when she was added to McCain's ticket, there was a media effort to say how divisive she is/was and the majority of that stuff was based on ludicrous (and patently untrue) things about her stance on "social issues."  (I jettisoned those from my brain and honestly don't remember them, but they had to do with abortion/birth control, gay rights, and the like.) 

Having said that, I think now there really is starting to be divisiveness surrounding her candidacy and it's not media-manufactured.  What I have observed evolve over time is a pre-occupation (on some vocal supporters) to apply a litmus test to every person who opines on Palin... or fails to opine on Palin, or fails to defend Palin, etc etc.  I've also noticed very quick attacks on people who may or may not be good candidates before they're even fully out of the gate.  And, frankly, most of those attacks seem to be pre-emptive ones launched by Palin's grassroots base lest someone steal the spotlight from their favored candidate. 

She may or may not be a candidate.  I'd like to be able to discuss in detail others who may be candidates without it devolving into being lectured to about how experience doesn't matter or how only Palin has balls or how unfair the 2008 election was.  In that sense, I'd like it if she didn't run this time, partly because I think she needs more national accomplishments in governance and partly because I'd rather not remind the electorate of what a disastrous candidate the GOP put up last time.  I don't want a campaign season dominated by stories of all the back-biting from 2008.  Rehashing which candidates were dirtiest doesn't help us beat Obama and that's all I want to do.  Anyone - except Ron Paul - is better than Obama. 


I meant to mention earlier that I agree with maverick muse's point @236 about the inadvisability - and undesirability - of having a POTUS candidate rely on "shut up" as her arguing point.  Perhaps Palin and her team are still to angry (justifiably) about how she was treated in 2008 for her to be ready to run in 2012. 

278 Reducing it from 700 Pouds a week to 350. That's $1100 to $550. I guess he didn't want to have to wipe his bum himself.

I seriously doubt this guy is capable of that particular bit of personal hygiene.

279 245 people voted to repeal Obamacare.  That's including 3 democrats, isn't it?  That means there's bipartisan support for repeal, doesn't it?

280 E.D. Hill got the boot from Fox over the "fist-bump" statement. She made it at the time that Fox was in the supreme Obama asskissing mode. altın çilek - fx15 - leke kremi - yudali - maurers - ozon yağı They backed off of that slightly but now have gone back to it.