1

Alleged Plot to Kill Saudi Ambassador Fuels U.S. Push to 'Isolate' Iran as Pols Call Plot an 'Act of War'

Is it an act of war? If they had actually carried out the attack, yes. Started the plot but no overt act? It becomes debatable. In any case, judging from this article it is “strongly worded letter” time again. IOW, nothing.

2 First? 


Regrettably, indigestion has me up early today.

3

Fox's take on the "round table talk" last night

Like the talk itself from the few minutes I watched, it largely ignored Perry. I have no idea how he did because they did not address him at all while I watched. Losers Bachman, Santorum, and Gingrich get more air time in this article than Perry. Was that the case last night?

4

The Hill's take - Cain vs Huntsman

More from The Hill

Perry faded into the background. Gee how about that and this:

Perry seemed a candidate adrift, sitting slumped and sullen and showing an inability to interject himself into the discussion.

What bullshit, these so-called debates have rules you know. You answer questions put to you and you have 30 sec for a rebut if someone mentions you. Otherwise you must keep your mouth shut. If they didnÂ’t do this these BS debates would quickly degenerate in chaos.

5

Daily Caller - Not much take at all

6 Obama will only act against Iran if it is politically expedient to do so.  And even then, it is dubious that he has the cajones to do it.

7

WP's take on their POS debate

Of course, Romney won

All in all from what I saw in this debate and have seen of the past debates it has done nothing but reinforce the thought that Republicans need to look elsewhere for debates. Of course, it appears that maybe the MFM is doing what the Party controllers want anyway, push Romney and kill anyone with a chance of knocking him off.

8

Yet another outrage

Feds wreck a stolen Ferrari on a joyride. They were temporarily keeping it as evidence. Judge rules they are immune from having to pay for the reckless and illegal behavior of the agents.

9

Drudge link

SHOCK POLL: SC Primary: Cain 26%, Romney 25%, Perry 15%...

American Research Group?  Has anyone else ever heard of this group? They have Romney leading in Iowa and NH; and Cain leading in SC with Romney a close second. That I do not believe. Of course, I have not seen a single ad yet in SC that discusses RomneyÂ’s record so it is “plausible”.

10

More evidence that this country's government has gone power mad insane

This guy was actually stupid. He should have just kept his mouth shut. If the county said something about code, he should have then said itÂ’s a damn childrenÂ’s slide not covered by code.

11

Holder downplays Fast and Furious as not ‘important,’ walks out on reporters asking about investigation

This occurred at the “wag the puppy” news conference yesterday. Bottom line:

When a reporter followed up and asked the Attorney General if he knew about the “controversial tactics” employed in Fast and Furious, Holder refused to answer and walked off the stage.

12 No, Vic.  Perry was terrible last night.  It was like he was asleep.  Romney was chipper and so was Cain and they would jump in and demand to respond to points.. not Perry. I am pretty much done with Perry after last night.

13 SC's chances for a good season just went in the shitter Lead quarterback failed a random drug test for alcohol. With 5 previous suspensions he is now off the team and headed home.

14 That's it for today Morons. I will be leaving and gone most of the day today in about half an hour.

15 Good luck with the chemo, Vic!

16

Perry faded into the background. Gee how about that and this:

Perry seemed a candidate adrift, sitting slumped and sullen and showing an inability to interject himself into the discussion.

Well, Vic, I watched the whole thing, and that's exactly the way it was.  Not because Perry didn't have an opportunity to speak, or the press was mean to him, but because he apparently had nothing significant to say.  Romney was, in a word, masterful.  I know you'll simply say he's glib, but the fact is that he was knowledgeable, and able to communicate that knowledge.  Things which Perry most definitely was not. 

17 Mitt Romney is a Slick Clusterfuck of a Mealymouthed Fraud.

Won't even have to update the acronyms for SCoaMF II Hope you enjoy voting for this pos, morons!

18 Vic,

The round ups I read indicated that Perry was not given many opportunities, particularly in the first half.  He was said to have had a stronger second half. 

Color me shocked - not - that a professional radio broadcaster and a full-time presidential campaigner (and English major) out-performed a sitting governor of Texas. 

The only thing these debates have done with regards to my primary leanings is demonstrate that Newt is a reliable backup to Romney, Cain, and Bachmann, who have all behaved like jackasses in one way or another outside of the debates. 

Best wishes to you on your treatment today. 

19 I was thinking that Holder will be trying to argue that FnF went forward so as not to disturb the Iranian Job. What do you think, Vic?

20 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 12, 2011 06:56 AM (UTq/I)

That is exactly what I expected to hear from you and the rest of the Romneybots.

As I said, he can not interject answers or comments in questions not directed to him. He can only respond to questions and also have 30 sec rebuttals when mentioned by another candidate.

If the moderators ignore him, which they did while I was watching, and the other candidates do not attack him he gets zero air time.

Perhaps the zeros worked that out to ignore him before the debate.

21 Did anyone else notice Christie was in the audience?

Now the speculation begins anew wondering if he will be Romney's VP pick.

22 I am pretty much done with Perry after last night.

The Not-Romney crowd is gonna be pretty pissed when it turns out to be Romney just because they jumped faithlessly from candidate to candidate. First it was Bachmann, but then folks remembered that she's a kook. Then it was Perry, but then folks decided he was either too easy on illegals or too hard on cancer. Then it was Cain, but folks are discovering that 9-9-9 has a VAT.

Meanwhile, the pro-Romney crowd are just biding their time, smiling quietly while the truuuuuuuuuue conservatives shoot themselves in the foot.

23 ...something that would never, ever hurt us.
"nice thinkin', rick" Christie's endorsement

24 As I watched the second half, I could see the entire dynamic of the race change.  Everyone on that stage, everyone, knew that Romney was going to be the nominee.   There was a lot of positioning going on in hopes of the nod for veep.  It reminded me of the end of The Godfather, when all the underbosses kiss Michael's ring.

25

Mornin' Morons.

Yo, Vic and Moki, stay strong, y'all. We're pulling for you.

26 That is exactly what I expected to hear from you and the rest of the Romneybots.

Vic-please explain the difference between someone who supports Romney and someone who supports Perry.  Are they all just bots?

27 Jay Nordlinger's blow by blow description of the debate 

28 Meanwhile, the pro-Romney crowd are just biding their time, smiling quietly while the truuuuuuuuuue conservatives shoot themselves in the foot.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 12, 2011 07:04 AM (XVaFd)

And yet Romney's numbers never budge. His only path to victory is keeping as many not-Romneys in the race as possible to dilute the vote so his 20+% is enough to carry him across the finish line.

29 and when Perry did get a chance to speak, he had one theme.. put 1 million people to work by opening up Gas and Oil.. ok. yes, that's very nice.  I agree.  But he kept repeating the same thing all night!  He looks like a man who is sorry he tossed his hat into the ring.

30 Well Gabe, I am sick to death of the Romneybots. One lie after another on here. They are worse than the Paulbots because there are far fewer of them and they make more noise.

As for Perry, you can dump him but if you do you are falling into to the grand plan of the MFM. I firmly believe that this is all orchestrated.

My recommendation is compare records of the governors between Perry and Romney and vote accordingly. No real conservative would vote for Romney in the primaries. No matter how eak Perry is on ANY issue he is better than Romney on that same issue. And in almost all the other issues he is miles ahead.

As for the Romneybots, they are at the point now where continued BS from them will only serve to make me want to stay at home if he wins.

Maybe that is the plan too. They are secret Dem operatives.

31 He looks like a man who is sorry he tossed his hat into the ring.

My thoughts exactly.

32 And yet Romney's numbers never budge.

Yeah, I don't think there's room to be smug in that group.

I really don't think Romney will/can beat Obama.  He'll suppress conservative turnout. 

33 Perry on Timeline for the American Revolution: http://tinyurl.com/6b655rr

34 There was a lot of positioning going on in hopes of the nod for veep.  It reminded me of the end of The Godfather, when all the underbosses kiss Michael's ring.
Posted by: pep
........
I noticed that too.. by the end, it was almost like Romney was moderating the debate!  The other candidates were deferring to him.. I think you used the right word.. "masterful".

35 Are they all just bots?

Yes there is a difference. The bots ignore his record and spread lies about Perry. I don't ignore Perry's record. I have marked his weaknesses in the big gov and immigration issues.

36 Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2011 07:08 AM (M9Ie6)

Vic, my thoughts exactly. And I'm in a state where my vote doesn't matter anyway, so if Romney gets the nom, he will not be getting my vote.

Good luck with the treatments!

37 Woe is he:

THE PRESIDENT: I love you back. I do. Although I have to say that backstage I had the chance to see Dwight Howard — (applause) — and Dwight is a great friend, and I told him I’m a little heartbroken that the NBA season is getting delayed here. (Laughter.) So I’m hoping those guys are back on the court soon. In the meantime, I’m here because I need all of your help. I need your help. (Applause.)

38 His only path to victory is keeping as many not-Romneys in the race as possible to dilute the vote so his 20+% is enough to carry him across the finish line.

Naw, he's winning by attrition. First down was Pawlenty, but others will follow. And the whole time he's the candidate with the highest name recognition and steadiest campaign, which will bring undecideds and folks holding out into his camp.

I don't like him because he's a RINO squish. Unfortunately, the truuuuuuuuuue conservatives that spent all that effort trying to sink Perry seem to think that Romney would be preferable.

39 Here's another "as it happened" description of the debate from Ann Althouse's son.  I know, I know - but he really seemed to try to write an unbiased account. 

40 Gabe,
Are you a Perry guy? 

41 Naw, he's winning by attrition. First down was Pawlenty, but others will follow. And the whole time he's the candidate with the highest name recognition and steadiest campaign, which will bring undecideds and folks holding out into his camp.

I remarked on that yesterday after looking at 2008 and comparing the Repubs and the Dems. The Dems everyone by Obama and Hillary dropped out almost immedately after Iowa. The Repubs most of them stayed around until SC where Fred dropped, and then the rest seemed to stay until the bitter end acting as spoilers for McCain.

I expect the same shit this year.

42 "17 Mitt Romney is a Slick Clusterfuck of a Mealymouthed Fraud. Won't even have to update the acronyms for SCoaMF II" Precisely. Mitt pretty much soared over the table last night, but it was because of that old debate point about 'talking with confidence'. As to what he actually said, almost all of it was either unworkable or pure platitude. But, so far at least, it's working. Congratulations, MFM: In 2012 its Obamney versus Rombama, and to update the last line in Caddyshack: Hey everybody - we're all gonna get boned!

43 VodkaPundit's live blog looks like it was fun. 

Here's a sample (which also speaks to Vic's earlier question):

6:06PM From Bachmann to Perry: Why did you use to be a filthy Al Gore-loving Democrat, and arenÂ’t you still?

6:07PM Perry: IÂ’m just glad to get a third question after more than an hour.

6:07PM Perry: I was a Republican younger than Reagan was. Also, donÂ’t mess with Texas.

44 Can I just point out that Iowa hasn't even happened yet?  The race is still pretty fluid.  At this point in 2007 everybody thought it was going to be Romney.

45 I heard that Mitt actually uttered the dreaded "work across the aisle" dumbassery into his remarks last night, btw. 

46 Perry: IÂ’m just glad to get a third question after more than an hour.

Is that an actual quote?

47

Is it an act of war? If they had actually carried out the attack, yes. Started the plot but no overt act? It becomes debatable. In any case, judging from this article it is “strongly worded letter” time again. IOW, nothing.

Posted by: Vic at October 12, 2011 06:52 AM (M9Ie6)

 

"Starting the plot" sounds like intent to me.  The fact that their agents were incompetent doesn't mitigate that.  Had they succeeded (based on what I've heard so far) a restraunt full of people would have been blown up in the US.  Also, a guest of ours would have been murdered in our own house, so to speak. 

If this country still had any balls we'd arrange for 10 Iranian restraunts, frequented by government officials, to be blown up in 1 night.  Terror is cheap, and not too complex to carry out.  Let them see if they can go toe to toe with the US in the same game. For every 1 of ours hurt/killed, the same is done back to them 10 times over with a focus on government people and their families.  If that doesn't calm them down, ramp up the kill ratio to 100, or 1000, or more.  No need for costly military engagements - just cheap and effective mayhem.

This should also cause us to review our stance toward the Mexican gangs.  Time to wind down the half-hearted effort in A-stan and get our troops back here defending our own border.  Time for drone strikes on the Zetas, etc.

48 yeah.. still early.. lots of people throwing in the towel before the first vote is cast!

49 I heard that Mitt actually uttered the dreaded "work across the aisle" dumbassery into his remarks last night, btw. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 12, 2011 07:18 AM (5H6z

He said that in NH once before. How can anyone professing to be a conservative vote for that?

50 Here's the problem with Mitt.  He's not even running as a conservative in the Republican primary.  There's no way he'll run as a conservative in the general and forget about governing as a conservative. 

At best we get the Senate majority with morons like the Maine twins, McCain, and Orrin Hatch squishing up the place.  There's no way that type of Senate is going to "keep" (or I'd say "make") Romney honest. 

51 There's no way that type of Senate is going to "keep" (or I'd say "make") Romney honest.

Exactly right. It will be Bush-III, only more liberal with the country closer to collapse.

52 Rule of law is for chumps: Obama Tells Advisers To Find How To Approve Stimulus Projects "Without Additional Congressional Authorization"

53 >>Is that an actual quote?

Nah, I think that's just a drunk-blog.  Here's the link to his post. 

It is informative reading the blow by blow accounts and searching for "Perry." That's how you can tell that they really did ignore Perry for a big chunk of the debate. 

The wrap ups are not so useful, imho, because it's almost impossible for people to not insert their POV into what they think they saw. 

54 Well I have to go. Hopefully I will be back by 1 pm but I don't know. See ya'll later Morons.

Y-not keep them honest

55 I heard that Mitt actually uttered the dreaded "work across the aisle" dumbassery into his remarks last night, btw.

Posted by: Y-not at October 12, 2011 07:18 AM (5H6zj)

 

Typical Squish talk.  It's McCain 2.0.  I dunno why they insist on advocating the strategy that has given us nothing but a knife in the back EVERY SINGLE TIME IS HAS BEEN TRIED.

I don't care what kind of epic dunderhead I have to vote for in the primary - whoever is the most plausible alternative to Romney will get my vote.  I understand the electability arguement, but a weak compromiser is not going to get us anywhere in terms of policy, and will cement in the minds of Americas the idea that the age of strong Republican candidates is over and done.  I'll take my chances with Perry or Cain.  If America re-elects Obama after this first term of disaster upon disaster, then America deserves the destruction that will inevitably follow. 

 

56 I don't like him because he's a RINO squish. Unfortunately, the truuuuuuuuuue conservatives that spent all that effort trying to sink Perry seem to think that Romney would be preferable.

I was strongly against Romney a few months ago because of his non participation in the debt ceiling debate.  I am now very reluctantly back to supporting him, due simply to the process of elimination and a sense that he will annihilate Obama in any debates.  Perry started very strong, especially with his line about making DC inconsequential, but as it turns out, that was the high point for him.  I say that with sincere regret.  Had he lived up to his hype, I would support him.

57 At best we get the Senate majority with morons like the Maine twins, McCain, and Orrin Hatch squishing up the place.  There's no way that type of Senate is going to "keep" (or I'd say "make") Romney honest. 
Posted by: Y-not
............
I disagree.

Romney has already promised to repeal Obamacare. 

He will open up drilling and expand gas and oil production.

He'll repeal a lot of regulations holding down business expansion.

And, he's probably re-structure corporate taxes to make a more favorable business environment.

What more would you like a president to do?

We need government to get out of the way.  I would elect anyone in a minute who would do just those things above and then fade into the background.

Perry was right last night.. put a million people to work fast in energy, reform regulations and then a lot of the other problems we face just kinda go away.

58

I'm kinda glad I didn't watch last night. I know the candidates want face time and all that, but having these things with hostile hosts just isn't doing it for me.

Whycome the Heritage Foundation can't sponsor a debate? Then we might get some substantive answers about the role of government and their views of what it should and shouldn't be doing.

Also, some specifics would be nice. I'm tired of vagarities and platitudes, as if We the People can't comprehend policy. But, then again, look who the 52%'ers voted into orifice in '08.

Never mind.

59

I was very excited to hear a speaker at the OWS protests specifically disavow non-violence and call for violent bloodshed.  Specifically.  Literally. 

60 ...so if Romney gets the nom, he will not be getting my vote.

That's the exact same attitude/strategy that got us the SCoaMF.

How's it workin'?

61 I'm kinda glad I didn't watch last night. I know the candidates want face time and all that, but having these things with hostile hosts just isn't doing it for me.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB
...........
Well, you missed the best part..  They turned the debates over to the candidates in the last hour.. the candidates got to ask questions of whoever they wanted to.. it was fun and much better than Charlie Rose and the rest of those idiots doing the asking.

62

And by 'excited' I mean really worried about how this is going to end up.  I didn't think the protestors had the balls to really do anything more than shit on a cop car, but with the union thugs there and the rabble-rousing... A mob can go from peaceful to pissed off to violent in a few heartbeats. 

What happens when the first car is burned or the first window is smashed?

63 >>Romney has already promised to repeal Obamacare

And Replace it... with what?  He still has not said. Moreover, since he is demonizing Social Security reform, my bet is that the second he gets any push back from his friends across the aisle, he'll back off, helped by that great leadership in the Senate. 

>>He will open up drilling and expand gas and oil production

And push federal subsidies of ethanol while also cooing over how wonderful the Euros and Japanese are for using 2-3x less energy than we evil fat American use.  Yeah, I'm thinking I'll stick with Perry on energy issues, thank you very much.

>>He'll repeal a lot of regulations holding down business expansion

Sure, he's pro business.  There's also no doubt in my mind that Perry is the one who is more likely to take a chainsaw to the Federal regulators.  Romney will use pruning shears. 

>>What more would you like a president to do?

I'd like him to hit hard on Social Security not get the vapors over the use of the term Ponzi scheme, dramatically reduce the size of the federal government, not defend the failed experiment of Masscare, and call a spade a spade on AGW.  It would also be nice if he was at his core a limited government conservative, not a centrist. 

64

Posted by: I am the 99% at October 12, 2011 07:32 AM (bZ8J6)

No you're not.  You're going to work. 

65

Well, you missed the best part..  They turned the debates over to the candidates in the last hour.. the candidates got to ask questions of whoever they wanted to.. it was fun and much better than Charlie Rose and the rest of those idiots doing the asking.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jerry. I'll have to watch then, I suppose.

I wonder if it's on that Intarweb thingy? I'm firmly convinced that will be really big one day, just like plastics.

OK, y'all, I'm off to the salt mine once more. And will somebody clean up whatever that spot on the carpet is over there? You know the boss is back home...

66 Have a good day y'all.. off to work as well!

67 That's the exact same attitude/strategy that got us the SCoaMF.

How's it workin'?

Posted by: franksalterego at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (9XykO)

I'd rather lose behind a winner than win behind a loser. Enjoy your socialist Republican presidency. You can stick a fork in the GOP while you're at it.

68

Also, Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Just sayin'.

69 Apparently Romney showed how leaderly he'll be when asked about Gunwalker.  We should rename him Brave, brave Sir Romney. 

“Governor, should Eric Holder resign over ‘Fast and Furious’? That’s a yes-or-no question, governor.”

After Romney initially ignored the question, The Daily Caller asked it a second time.

Romney wheeled around, took a break from shaking hands, signing autographs and answering votersÂ’ questions, and took 35 seconds to explain why he wouldnÂ’t answer the yes-or-no question.

“I do press [availabilities] and then I answer questions, that are important questions, in the length that I want to do,” Romney said. “But what I don’t do is in a group like this is stop and rattle off questions to people just as we walk along.”

“So that way,” he continued, “you don’t get the chance to hear the full answer that I’d like to give. So those are important questions. I’ll be happy to address them in a press avail or at the town meeting. But in these events, at events like this I don’t take press questions, because it doesn’t give you or me the chance to have a full discussion of the topic, when particularly it’s an important one like that.”

70 Some people seem to approach primary season like Fantasy Football.  All they want to do is pick the winner.  It's a little odd. 

71 Then it was Cain, but folks are discovering that 9-9-9 has a VAT.

But is a 9% sales tax on new goods/services but not old resales a "value added tax" -- isn't the VAT what becomes a "simple" sales tax?

Cain Stability isn't offering to cut any bureaucracy or rock any program's boat excepting termination of ObamaCare.

Cain's tax premise is that the numbers don't lie. If 9-9-9 would cover the grotesquely high levels of federal spending and maintain the status quo with a "balanced budget", Congress would indeed pass it since it would cover exorbitance without "sacrifice" from government profiteers. Businesses would have what is required, a stable forecast. And initially, the citizenry taxpayers would not feel a tax increase. Depending on the "VAT" affect, those who don't consume (?!) anything but used goods would enjoy a tax cut. The hobos and bag ladies won't have their taxes raised.

What comfort does Cain grant taxpayers? Read my lips: "So long as I'm president" the 9-9-9% would not inflate. For the citizenry, the only stable forecast would be so long as Cain remains in office. Which president can offer more permanence?

IF addressed by Cain, the Tea Party movement demand for "lower taxes" would only be granted at best a temporary alleviation, given the nature of our congressional Beast. The Tea Party agenda for smaller government would be dismissed out of hand.

Consider the excessive powers that the federal government granted itself when instituting DHS on top of all else through GWB. So long as he was president, the potential for abuse was not unleashed. We were told There's nothing to fear but fear itself. Many maintain that still. Also, consider the excesses granted the federal income tax empowerment of the IRS and inflating personal mandatory withdrawals to cover the expenses of bloating, burdensome, incestuously prolific federal bureaucracies.

No plan or program will cure the Beast. Cain's approach is not to kill it, but to bridle it and get it back to work.

72 Packaging vs. Substance

Mitt doesn't own Cain.

73 73 Packaging vs. Substance

Mitt doesn't own Cain.

Posted by: the man who would be god at October 12, 2011 07:52 AM (lpWVn)

Cain could make a real run at Romney but I just have a bad feeling he will implode himself.

74

@52. Obama Tells Advisers To Find How To Approve Stimulus Projects "Without Additional Congressional Authorization".

Gee, that sounds like something coming from a NATIONAL SOCIALIST AUTHORITARIAN.  no, that would be a crazy thing to say

75 Some people seem to approach primary season like Fantasy Football.  All they want to do is pick the winner.

You mean like saying it's my guy or the highway, regardless of the consequences if he loses?  I'm not willing to make that gamble, precisely because this is so important.  So I guess we agree.

76 What more would you like a president to do?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 12, 2011 07:26 AM (UTq/I)

Mitt won't go near entitlements, and after he signs his stupid waiver he'll move along to other business.

We will keep on hurtling toward a brick wall.

77 Posted by: Y-not at October 12, 2011 07:41 AM (5H6zj)

Yes or No.

No comment: "Present" in another universe...

Ah, the wisdom. The cool demeanor of the master's touch.

78 but I just have a bad feeling

79

Gabe,
Are you a Perry guy? 

Yup.

 

80 This Michael Coren guy on Vlad Tepes seems to get it. Link.

81

@68  "You can stick a fork in the GOP while you're at it."

Yep, time for a real conservative party.

82 >>and when Perry did get a chance to speak, he had one theme.. put 1 million people to work by opening up Gas and Oil.. ok. yes, that's very nice.  I agree.  But he kept repeating the same thing all night!  He looks like a man who is sorry he tossed his hat into the ring.<<
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 12, 2011 07:07 AM (UTq/I)

Given his performance as a candidate so far, I'm starting to think Mrs. Perry didn't just "encourage" him to run for president; she pushed and shoved him into doing it. Or someone else did. He looks like he has no interest whatsoever in doing this.

What is infuriating and sad and pathetic about this whole process to me is this: with the worst president in the history of this nation having spent the last 3 years trying to destroy the country he's president of, the GOP has only managed to produce this herd of has-beens, never-was's and kooks to go for the nomination as his challenger? Looking at this "labored mightily and brought forth a gnat" group, could someone please explain to me why all 3rd Party talk is crazy?

83

I see Michelle Malkin has a new headline up at Hotair: "Perry is Running Out of Gas."

Well, she may well be right about that.  No denying Perry has been a disappointment so far.

But how psyched is she about Romney, I wonder?  Who DOES she like?  Tardisil Bachmann?

People like her are forcing the GOP to go with either a Northeast RINO or a fringe whackjob.  Will Michelle write an apology after Obama wins reelection next year?  Or is she too fixated with her personal vendetta against Perry to really much care?

 

84 Karl has something interesting to say, but don't have food or drink in your mouth when you read the end of the post.

85 The only thing the repulicans should do "across the aisle" is to return fire with larger caches of poop.

86 84 Maybe she wears the +5 Holy Avenger Underoos of Doom.

87
68

Calling a Republican - ANY Republican a "Socialist" will not further your cause.

88 Sounds like we have a three party system:
Dems=Evil Party
Repubs=Stupid Party
TEA/Conservatives=Dumb Party

Actually, I ,mean no disrespect to the TEA Party and conservatives, but I do think (in hindsight of course), that we should have been vetting and grooming a real conservative to run in the republican primaries over the last year without giving the MFM editing process a chance to work.  We should have then gone all in to support this candidate and never trashed each other on the road to oblivion.

When Romney reaches across the aisle to work with the Dems (as he will in the grand RINO spirit of compromise), the results will be evil and stupid.  Hard to beat that combination (see McCain, Snowe, and Gramnesty for examples).

Romney may be better than Obamao, but only by an RCH, and will provide at best an infinitesimal decrease in our acceleration towards European Socialism (but done RIGHT this time since it will be done by NE RINOs).

I, for one, welcome our new Washington Establishment Republican overlords (although they look a lot like our old Washington Establishment Democrat overlords).

89

"Given his performance as a candidate so far, I'm starting to think Mrs. Perry didn't just "encourage" him to run for president; she pushed and shoved him into doing it. Or someone else did. He looks like he has no interest whatsoever in doing this."

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 12, 2011 08:17 AM (ED4oz)

Y-not, whom I usually agree with, said she doesn't get Perry/Fred Thompson comparisons.  Well, you pretty much summed the analogy up, David.

I don't know if he doesn't care, or cared TOO LATE... but his performance reeks of last-minute decision making.  He was ill-prepared, and it shows.  Like Fred, he seems to be running out of energy, at least during debates.  It's like he goes into hibernation right before our eyes.  But the really the heart of my criticism of Perry as this year's Fred Thompson is this: both he and Fred were seized upon by Reagan conservatives as the Second Coming of Ronaldus Magnus.  And crapped out in that role.

Fred turned out to be too lazy to care about being President (I mean, he LITERALLY Said So!), and Rick has turned out to really be the Second Coming of W., only less articulate and even more emotionally attached to illegal immigrants and George B. ever was.

 

 

90 I told you chumps you would sour on Perry. Next time maybe Ace can keep his head in the game instead of going straight for the dik sucking and shark jumping.

91 @88  If the "Socialist" shoe fits, wear it!  That's all the Donk party is anymore.  If Mitt wants to cross the aisle and deal with them, so be it.  I'm tired of mincing words.  It is what it is.

92 I keep hearing third party rumblings. I to have fantasized about having a candidate that is not attached to either party. Then I do something that many Americans have forgotten or never learned to do in the first place. Math. We would have to keep Obama from getting over 35% of the vote, or risk him finishing us off. Keeping Obama at 35% or below does not seem likely. Possible, but not likely. I would risk a Romney presidency before I would risk losing it all.

93 Was he out of it? I didn't see the debate, but how was it Perry's fault if he didn't get questions?

94 So when does Romney have to play the defense as the lead candidate? Just askin. He is pretty good at sniping others. Lets see what happens when he becomes the target. Should be interesting. Still waiting for someone to ask how he intends to win his home state. I know that is a silly question for a primary.

95 Morning morons! Over at Human Events: BATF takes away gun right for medical marijuana users. Uh, WTF? Is this legal???

96

91 Posted by: Independent Voter at October 12, 2011 08:25 AM (qYUFR)

Yeah, well I don't know how "independent" you really are: I suspect either troll or Obama voter.  And if the performance of Hopey Changey hasn't "soured" you on him, you may have received a tardisil shot right in the effing cervix. 

97

@92: Oh, absolutely!

There is absolutely no reason for a national Socialist party in America.  We already have one: the Democrats.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Pelosi and Reid and ALL the rest at socialists at heart.  Socialism is absolutely what they are "progressing" to.

98

Fred turned out to be too lazy to care about being President

A friend of mine worked communications on Teh Fred's campaign.  He confirms that Fred's wife WAS running that campaign.  So the Thompson-Perry comparison is apt here too.

Funny, I never thought Teh Fred was a "Yes, dear" kinda guy.  Then again, I didn't think Perry was either.

99 CoolCzech at October 12, 2011 08:33 AM I didn't have a problem with Perry's performance. Just because he doesn't bop around like a cheerleader on adderal doesn't make him bad. If, that is indeed his personality. What I have heard from Texans is that the Perry we are seeing in these debates is not the Perry that ran for Governor.

100

Morning, all!

You know, I love the fact that every prominent lefty in the country is openly supporting the OWS losers.  That means there's plenty of evidence linking them to these rejects when the protests take the inevitable turn toward either violence or disease.  When the bodily secretions being exuded by these "protesters" combine to become Captain Tripps, we'll know who to blame.

101

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Pelosi and Reid and ALL the rest at socialists at heart.  Socialism is absolutely what they are "progressing" to.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 12, 2011 08:36 AM (Iaxlk)

 

I think 'at heart' is a little too generous.  They're just socialists.

102 So when does Romney have to play the defense as the lead candidate? Just askin. He is pretty good at sniping others. Lets see what happens when he becomes the target. Should be interesting. Still waiting for someone to ask how he intends to win his home state. I know that is a silly question for a primary.

Mitt's plan is probably to say he puts Michigan in play.  Above all things, Mitt is a member of the lucky sperm club, and pater was governor there.

103 OWS was hired off of Craig's List.

104 Well, when I said, "I really don't care if I'm elected President or not," did you morons think I was kidding, HELLO???

105 Mitt is a member of the lucky sperm club, Bevel Lemelisk at October 12, 2011 08:38 AM LOL, That's a better turn of phrase the the one I use, I always say someone like Mitt fell out of the right crotch.

106 Bachmann would serve American conservatives very well replacing Boehner as House Speaker. She'd be a persistent pain in Obama's boney ass. Newt agreed with Bachmann's assessment of what the House Republicans should have already repealed. The tacky inversion of 9 to 6 "means" Bachmann's potus aspirations went up in "I am not a witch" smoke.

"I'd go to war with China" nailed Santorum's box shut.

Mitt will promise ANYTHING in order to gain office, and will continue "exporting" the American manufacturing industry and continue the wholesale of Constitutional Governance from office. For himself, Mitt needs to be president. America does not need another needy potus. 4-more-years argh.

I like the "build the platform first" approach in primaries, and detest the personality cult adoration of the mirage.

If voters want the "best" administrator, it's between Newt and Cain, with Newt leading in the know.

Whatever it is that Newt purports to do, facilitating the best ideas from the panel of candidates, perhaps Cain could do as well. Whether Cain would do that is not likely because Cain has his agenda set. That's "good" so far as informing the voter what exactly/simply the agenda is. But with Newt, Americans already know what to expect. And the effect of Mitt flaying away at "appreciating complexity" would support Newt. Newt's agenda is the perpetuation of American prosperity for all, including himself of course. Mitt isn't any different or "better" regarding the means to achieving the "prosperity" goal. And so far as working within the system, Mitt will not do as well as Newt in organizing Republican leadership on conservative point. Mitt's agenda is not "conservative". Despite willingness privately to jump on easy money bandwagons, in leadership position, Newt's political agenda has always been to promote practical conservatism: The Contract With America. Whatever bulldog tenacity Newt might exercise in leadership, it appears Cain can match. So between those two, it would amount to the personality, stylistic delivery, and the public determination of fickle fate deciding whether to support Newt v. Cain.

If Republicans would impeach/prosecute/convict Obama given the laundry list of Obama's impeachable offenses, that would clear the air regarding subsequent presidents' willingness to get caught in graft and the dissolution of Constitutional Governance. The reality of an impeachment threat is the only "fear of god" voters have over presidents and attorney generals. But that the Republican Leadership won't impeach during a campaign season leaves the voter forewarned: No constituent oversight tolerated, tyvm.

107 They were all full of shit.  Right now, Social Security, Medicare and the Military all have budgets of nearly $1T each.  Tax revenues are around $2.5T.  We are therefore in the hole before we spend one dime on anything else, though needless to say that's not stopping us.

Consequently, nothing other than significant cuts to one or more of SocSec, MC or the military will change our budget situation.  I didn't hear any of them say anything about cuts in those programs.

The best we can do is increase revenues by lowering taxes and increasing productivity - e.g., enlarged energy production, a more competitive national right-to-work law, changes in the tax code to encourage permanent repatriation of foreign corporate earnings and financial motivation to keep such earnings here in the first place and so on.  Even then, it's not even close; we're upside down big time and the problem will only get worse because of our population demographics.

108 @98 & 92...

So, lemme' get this straight...

Romney is leading in the polls, and you believe he's a "Socialist"

Good Grief

109  #102  Michael Savage clarified that.

110  What I have heard from Texans is that the Perry we are seeing in these debates is not the Perry that ran for Governor.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 12, 2011 08:37 AM (ZDUD4)

Well, I believe that.  But whatever it is - maybe he's just intimidated by the national stage and lacks self-confidence to do well on it - unfortunately the "Perry that is running President" so far has been a disappointment.  I hope he turns things around.  Because I don't want Romney... and he is/was the ONLY viable alternative to him (or at least, the "Perry that ran for Governor" was).

111 Occupy Elm Street.

112

Lying weasel MFM is afraid of the Republican black man:

CainÂ’s plan has come under fire from some tax analysts who claim it would cause lower-income and middle class citizens to pay more some taxes.

113 The advantage of Romney over Perry lies in this:

Behind the image, I expect Perry and Romney are the same guy (politically) with different accents.  If we are to be stuck with one, we ought to be stuck with the one that is the far less credible target for the "right wing extremism" label. 

114 Occupy Sesame Street.

115

"Lucky Sperm Club," huh?

Those would be the ones doing the breaststroke in Christina Hendricks.

116 Off, Thompson sock

117 Behind the image, I expect Perry and Romney are the same guy (politically) with different accents. If we are to be stuck with one, we ought to be stuck with the one that is the far less credible target for the "right wing extremism" label. Posted by: f2000 at October 12, 2011 08:48 AM What? A N/E squishy moderate and a Texas neocon? The Same guy? You don't get out much do you?

118 Behind the image, I expect Perry and Romney are the same guy (politically) with different accents. 

Posted by: f2000 at October 12, 2011 08:48 AM (c7Pp2)

Upon what do you base this?  Their records are very different, and all we really have to go by.

119 What I have heard from Texans is that the Perry we are seeing in these debates is not the Perry that ran for Governor.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 12, 2011 08:37 AM (ZDUD4)

I live in Texas and can confirm this is exactly the Rick Perry you should have expected.  Good public speaker but miserable debater; around a 7 on a 1-10 conservatism scale, with the missing three points all involving subjects that will anger the shit out of any mainstream Republican; but basically a good leader because he'll actually make hard choices to balance budgets and then stay the hell out of the way and let businesses do their thing.  He's definitely not perfect, not even great or really good in fact - he' just the best we've got to choose from.  Too bad he fucked it up.  I'll hold my nose and vote for Romney but it's a shame because that dude is an untrustworthy, two-faced douchebag.

120 If Romney is coronated in this scam of a process, I'm setting out this election.  By what few headlines there are out there and the execellent recap here, it is clear that even the right hating MFM is in the process of selecting the Republican nominee.  If they do, it's just me and the val-u-rite.

121 If Romney is coronated in this scam of a process, I'm setting out this election.  By what few headlines there are out there and the execellent recap here, it is clear that even the right hating MFM is in the process of selecting the Republican nominee.  If they do, it's just me and the val-u-rite.

122 If we are going in the shitter I don't want it to be the 'Romney Republican Depression' as the MSM will surely call it.  I would rather have that fucking commie in the wheelhouse to take the fall. If Romney wins the general, which he may not do, it will be Bush III with the media and the democrats assfucking him daily for eight years. Only this time, I'll join them. I will not defend another RINO.

123 Sorry for the double post.  I haven't got a clue how that happened.

124 The advantage of Romney over Perry lies in this:  Behind the image, I expect Perry and Romney are the same guy (politically) with different accents.

You should re-examine that assumption.

125 If our nominee has to be dragged across the finish line...

126

The Obama/Clinton smart foreign policy of the last three years probably encouraged Iran to plan this.  Though Iranian thinking is something to speculate on.  Was Iran hoping to be the unknown mastermind that manipulates a Mexican drug cartel to blow someone up? And let the Mexicans take the rap? 

Just think if the drug cartel used Fast & Furious guns during the operation.  Everyone who ran these gun walking operations need to be in the docket as soon as possible.

Meanwhile another solar panel company is about to go bankrupt.  Solarcell has received $1.2billion in money from the US government.  And the company went and built a factory in Mexico.  That really helped to create/save jobs in this country.

127 Sorry for the double post. I haven't got a clue how that happened. Crowd: Sorry for the double post. I haven't got a clue how that happened.

128 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

129 Meanwhile another solar panel company is about to go bankrupt. Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 08:56 AM In a just world we would be building new prisons because we had run out of room in the ones we have.

130 WAH !!!.. I can't have my "Real" conservative.. So, I'm stayin' home.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

131 If Romney is coronated in this scam of a process, I'm setting out this election.  By what few headlines there are out there and the execellent recap here, it is clear that even the right hating MFM is in the process of selecting the Republican nominee.  If they do, it's just me and the val-u-rite.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 08:52 AM (jx2j9)

No. Regardless of who is nominated to run against Obama you will come out and vote for him/her/it. Obama has to go.

132 I live in Texas and can confirm this is exactly the Rick Perry you should have expected.  Good public speaker but miserable debater

This is what i was wondering. If he can connect with audiences the debate weakness may not hurt him too badly. Presidents don't need debating skills they need executive skills.

133 franksalterego at October 12, 2011 09:00 AM It's fun to talk shit but nobody is staying home. There is just too much to lose.

134 Yeah and here come the rumors about Hillary bumping Biden...again.

135 No. Regardless of who is nominated to run against Obama you will come out and vote for him/her/it. Obama has to go.

This!

136 This is what i was wondering. If he can connect with audiences the debate weakness may not hurt him too badly. Presidents don't need debating skills they need executive skills.

Posted by: real joe at October 12, 2011 09:01 AM (w7Lv+)

Every other venue I've seen him in, townhalls, interviews, he's very good.  He's just not a debater.

And I don't think he did poorly last night.  He really wasn't given a chance to do anything.

If there was a swing and a miss, it was the setup Solyndra question.  He should have turned that back on Obama.  Charlie Rose seemed be bound and determined to cut Perry off whenever he was getting up any steam.

137

If they do, it's just me and the val-u-rite.

If they do, it's just me, Obama, and the val-u-rite .

FIFY

138 Occupy Bag End.

139 "too old, too lazy, no fire in teh belly," no thanks to Romney.

Fred Thompson's initial backers talked him into the campaign. He performed the Republican Party and conservative voters a service, providing and promoting his First Principles platform. He thought he could make a difference for the better. It became obvious to him that regardless of his platform and agenda AND EFFORTS, Romney's surrogates weren't listening or reading, but sounding off with idiotic slogans.

You can't teach a pig to dance applies across the board.

The anti-Thompson rhetoric usurped his campaign, teaching occupied-nitwits how to get ahead as if avoiding the appearance of evil promoting the mushy platform blob of Romney. Also, Romney's campaigners provided the media with a Republican precedence to apply against Palin after the '08 election, harassing the State of Alaska with idiotic frivolous claims, taken to the next level via lawsuits. Look at the cost. The Romney Effect aligns with Obama's campaigning techniques. Just what we need, perpetual destructive campaign mode squared in a round hole.

The sun isn't going to rise or set depending on who wins what. So Thompson and Palin agreed on something; you don't need to be potus to contribute in public debate and influence outcomes. And though being a candidate gives you coverage, consider well Matthew 13:27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

140 Going to add on something I heard on the radio yesterday.  Stephen Hadley was on a local talk show commenting on this Iranian thing.  His points were the following:

1. Apparently Iran thought it would be easier to try something like this here rather than in the Middle East,  which is not good.

2. He cannot imagine this was done without the approval of the Iranian Guard,  which makes it a military action against both us and Saudi Arabia within our borders, aka an act of war under normal dfinitions.

3. Holder inadvertently revealed the connections between the drug cartels and terrorism,  and how dangerous the border really is (something that is counter to Obama's line about how it's safer).

141 Perry gets my vote. Romney never will. I will vote, but only for the down ticket. I would prefer to have a strong candidate who has shown himself to be strong by his record, that is NOT Romney.

142 And,  regarding Perry.   He might do better in Iowa because that is retail politics,  something he excels at.  If Bachmann implodes and Perry comes in second (or even first ) in Iowa,  and Romney wins New Hampshire,  then the next one is South Carolina,  where I think he has a fighting chance.

No one except political geeks are paying attention to a debate on Bloomerg. So Perry can still recover.  At the very end last night he gave a very strongstatement about Obama being a job-killing president, and how he does nothing but throw regulations, taxes, and such at businesses.  It was very good.

Also, Romney talks too fast and often seemed defenseive to me.  Not thoughtful but rather putting out lots of words to fill up the time. 

We live in interesting times,  which is,  of course,  an old Chinese curse.

143 Romney WILL supress the conservative vote. The son of a bitch is a squish, will appoint squishes to the Supreme Court, and toss the conservatives over the side as soon as he is in office. The conservatives know this, and they hate him for it. I can't stand the fucking polished turd.

144 I resent those remarks.

145 And one other thing,  and then I will go away. 

It may not matter much about a candidate's debating skills.  Who is going to force Obama to debate? Those of us who remember the Carter era remember it took until October before Jimmy Carter would debate,  and then there was only ONE debate.  Carter only did it because he was starting to lose support.

Obama doesn't have to debate.  There is no law requiring it, only public opinion.  Perry has the advantage of a good ad team and the ability to put together a good ground game. He is good at retail politics.\

No matter how masterful Romney is in a debate,  if he never gets on the stage with Obama he will have to overcome by ads and volunteers.  He will be defined by the media only.

Time to think about these things.  Do we want a talker or a doer?

146 US to do another lead from behind thing as it attempts to get world powers to show Iran a mean face.  A really mean and nasty face.  Hey, it's ghosts and goblins time.

China and Russia unfazed, and will remain so.

'Twill make Holder too busy to answer any questions about anything else, for a long while.

147 Just think of it as a vote against Obama. I mean, we LET the libtard media pick our candidate then we don't turn out for said candidate. Party of stupid.

148 Y-Not:  71 Some people seem to approach primary season like Fantasy Football.  All they want to do is pick the winner.  It's a little odd.

By God, you've put your finger on what's been bothering me about the whole process.  Besides the usual sneering "truuuuuuue conservatives" crap from Gabe, of course.

149 We support Romney.

150

Every other venue I've seen him in, townhalls, interviews, he's very good.  He's just not a debater.

Yeh, there was something somewhere about how his staff has had him avoid debates in Texas, so he wasn't good and then he avoided them.

Still not sure how much I care and/or how much it matters. Matters in terms of electability OR presidentin'.

151 BUWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

Posted by: franksalterego at October 12, 2011 09:00 AM (9XykO)

Yeah, it'll be hilarious if the GOP  goes up against the most vulnerable president since Carter with its own John Kerry.

152

Yeah and here come the rumors about Hillary bumping Biden...again.

Still think that Biden will get bumped, but not by Hillary.

153 Don't bump no more with no big fat woman.....

154

We support Romney.

Posted by: The Lords of Kolob

Us, not so much.

155

Still not sure how much I care and/or how much it matters. Matters in terms of electability OR presidentin'.

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 12, 2011 09:20 AM (XdlcF)

Doesn't matter to me at all but to the American Idol voter, it probably matters....unfortunately.

Forget voter ID, I'd like a voter IQ.

156 what i don't understand is: if  we are looking into the abyss financially, why we have someone like Romney winning? Is he willing to do what it takes  to faccilitate a recovery?  Is he just playing nice, nice reaching across the isle and stuff? Why didn't He give strong answers  on the economy, He spoke well but I didn't see a lot of substance in the answers.

i am confused as I would have believed this would have been the best time for conservative ideas.

157 Romney is speaking to the Party at this point in the game isn't He, why doesn't He come off Stronger with conservative ideals?

158 Re: the debate last night.

I really, really liked the format. It seemed more like a group of well informed adults discussing the issues instead of a cage full of monkeys flinging feces at one another.

Perry was definitely ignored. The only "gotcha" questions I saw were directed at Perry, one from the liberal troll Rose brought with him and one from Bachmann.

I don't think Perry gained any ground, but he didn't lose any, either.

Unfortunately, even though Perry is still my guy, I think we were watching President Romney last night.

159 mpur i agree the debate set up was better than previous ones .
also that the contenders did not allow the answers to be formed by the moderators.

 much better

160 Romney vs Obama 2012?...will be intetesting. Romney is being portrayed as Greedy nut mormon by the media complex.

161 Could they switch the format to a Texas Death Match?

162 i am confused as I would have believed this would have been the best time for conservative ideas.

Posted by: willow at October 12, 2011 09:26 AM (h+qn

You would think that with all of the mess Barry and the Dims caused someone would have stepped forward with a clear, strong conservative message they would be a clear front runner. Someone who will stand in stark opposition to Barry's utter distruction of the country. Someone willing to call him out for sending the country down this path and playing politics over everything. Call him out on all of his corrupt crony deals. That someone would eviscerate Barry

163 To be clear: I still hope to support and vote for Perry, but he's got to show me a whole helluva lot more than he has so far. I don't really give a crap about the debates, but it is what we have to go on so far (well, other than his record in Texas which is what got me excited about him in the first place), and so far, the Perry who I thought was running is MIA. This Perry, so far, doesn't look ready to be President either. Given the dynamics of the process (fair or not), that Perry has to show up soon, very soon, or it won't matter.

I will vote for Mutt (gag) if it ends up being Mutt vs. President Petulant in the general. But, I think a good thing for the Tea Party organizers and those of similar political persuasion to do is this: make sure that a President Romney knows, from day 1 in office if not before, if he goes full squish once he's in the White House, conservatives will primary the hell out of his stupid ass if he runs for re-election...or start a 3rd party that will guarantee his defeat (same diff to him and his ego either way).

My mention of a 3rd party for conservatives/fiscally responsible moderates is not for this election..it's way too late for that now. You need to start working on that at the beginning of a 4-year election cycle, not at the end. And, 3rd party or not, we need to work like hell to make both houses of Congress as conservative as is humanly possible so that any really bad ideas a President Mutt gets will die long before they reach his desk for a signature.

164 My feelings about a Romney nomination are exquisitely encapsulated in this clip.

165 Meanwhile, back on the poppy ranch...you can't win for losing.

Afghanistan no longer has a single Christian structure left standing. "According to the State Department, the lack of non-Muslim religious centers in Afghanistan can be blamed in part on a “strapped government budget,” which is primarily fueled by the U.S. aid. U.S. taxpayers have spent $440 billion to support Afghanistan's new government and more than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in that country for a decade."  That, while Afghanistan obstructs graft probes.  "The attorney general's office has been infiltrated by power brokers, ranging from lawmakers to warlords, who are systematically blocking cases."

Obama/Karzai and Holder/Aloko symbiotic administrations, peas in a pod needing more cash from US taxpayers in order to "change" from corruption to incorruption. Neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:50. No surprise that Christianity is banned in Afghanistan. But note our part; we fund that ban's enforcement gratis political bipartisanship in absolutely corrupt compassionate warfare. During the Republican administration, American military interventionists formulated Afghanistan's new constitution naming Islam the state religion.

...and justice democracy for all.

gut wrenching

166 Perry needs to hit the news shows hard. He needs to be on every show he can book and he needs his economic plan in one hand and a knife with Obama's name on it in the other. (Rhetorically speaking of course.)

167  #168 lol, 4 more years

168 165 Could they switch the format to a Texas Death Match?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 12, 2011 09:32 AM (ieDPL)

I'd love to see Perry rip out Romney's liver during a televised "debate," and make him eat it.

169 I tried to contact Perry's campaign at the beginning and tell them to pay attention to this website if they wanted a chance to win the nomination.  I'm guessing that no one there got the message. 

170 118 et al.

I think they are both politicians for politics sake.  They have different records because they operated in different environments.  If the political winds say tack left or right, both will follow happily.  Both would willingly go big government if they felt that it was the politically expedient thing to do.  Why?  Because that's how they both come off to me.

171

Still think that Biden will get bumped, but not by Hillary.

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 12, 2011 09:21 AM (XdlcF)

Bite-Me was on the Today show being interviewed by Ann Curry in one of the dumbest interchanges between borderline retards that I've ever heard.  Have you ever noticed that when the dumbest cocksucker ever to crawl out of Scranton lowers his voice to a whisper, it's a clear sign he doesn't have a fucking idea of what he's talking about and is just throwing out random shit with no basis in reality.  I think ever that ignorant bint Curry was shocked by the level of dumbfuckery confronting her.

172 Our woman are hot !

173 More commentary on a Mittster nomination in this clip.

174 You lose your gun rights if you get "glaucoma medicine" from the dispensary.

175 147 Romney WILL supress the conservative vote. The son of a bitch is a squish, will appoint squishes to the Supreme Court, and toss the conservatives over the side as soon as he is in office.

So we are better off with Obama? We KNOW who he will appoint to the SCt; at least with Romney we have a chance of influencing his choice.

176

“So that way,” he continued, “you don’t get the chance to hear the full answer that I’d like to give. So those are important questions. I’ll be happy to address them in a press avail or at the town meeting. But in these events, at events like this I don’t take press questions, because it doesn’t give you or me the chance to have a full discussion of the topic, when particularly it’s an important one like that.”

Can't Mittens just eat his waffle?

177 Disclaimer: I am not a Romney supporter, at this point I am behind Perry.
But if Romney gets the nod he gets my vote.

178 Perry did fine in last night's debate- I would rather have a deliberate, thoughtful, not particularly glib president than the sputtering flashbomb we have in the Oval Office right now. But yes, right now Romney is the man to beat. Perry better start running a lot of commercials right now that attack Obama and offer smart alternatives. That's his best hope. The mega-candidate format(Huntsman? Really?) is a trick of the MSM/RINO establishment to keep Romney on top. If I were running the debates, most of the midgets would be out. Romney, Perry, Cain, plus Newt would be my choice from here on out. Perry is my current choice and has been for a while. That said, I'll back anyone the Republicans run against Obama for the good of the country. Stay at home just guarantees that Obama gets to finish wrecking the US for good.

179 A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan's Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that "the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a 'nonstarter.'"

180

In a just world we would be building new prisons because we had run out of room in the ones we have.

Well, if they remembered to create a secured interest, there's a big building for a bankrupt solar company that would probably satisfy federal court sanctioned incarceration standards. So we've got that. Unfortunately, the just world part is passe.

181 I have no idea if the poll is worth the paper it's printed on, but Drudge has a link up to a USA Today story with a poll showing Romney, Perry and Cain all beating Captain Dipstick head-to-head. The parts about Perry were the most encouraging things I've heard for his chances since, well, he declared.

182 57 "Romney has already promised to repeal Obamacare." Huntsman - who we all know had no real claim to be at that table in the first place, other than as a reminder that somewhere out there the vaunted "G.O.P. Establishment" may still exist - tried to make the point that got harrumphed down: Mitt can NOT repeal Obamacare. Not on his own. Repeal is a legislative function. That means, it has to go thru the same gauntlet that got it there in the first place - where one party had a working majority in the House, almost a supermajority in the Senate, plus the White House, and STILL it took almost a year, and STILL the Dems had to use reconciliation so much the exercise started to look two jaded junior college burn-outs playing endless games of Pong. Even if Mitt took the White House, McConnell was given a slight majority in the Senate, and somehow Boehner held on to control of the Speaker's chair despite the inevitable fodder drop from the Tea Party, reconciliation is simply beyond the skill set of Boehner and McConnell, as well as beyond the capacity of the G.O.P. caucuses to maintain focus on for the months - at least months - it will take. And even if everything broke perfect - Mitt wins the hissy, McConnell gets a working majority, Boehner keeps the chair, AND the Supreme Court overturns the mandatory part of Obamacare, EVEN THEN - & Huntsman raised this - the early stages of Obamacare are ALREADY embedded in the workings of the federal government, in particular in the OMG which dictates budget realities. Even the Ryan plan is predicated on assumptions based on the continuation of those parts of Obamacare that are already in place & working away. Remove those parts, and a whole other legislative & regulatory infrastructure has to be built up to replace it. You end up with a Frankenstein monster made out of appendices. You want to know who knows all this? Mitt. So, Mitt lied. What else is new?

183 Not sure if anyone is still reading here but I just saw some video of Perry after the debate. Posted over at red state. Yeah, he's not too good in the debates but he did really well in these videos. Somehow he needs to get mass exposure outside of the debates to get his message out.

184 Iran? Isn't that a huge glass paved parking lot somewhere between Iraq and a hard place? XOXO Gen. Curtis LeMay

185 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

186
IÂ’ve been looking everywhere for this! Thank goodness I found it on Bing.Thx

187 I hope you never stop!  This is one of the best blogs Ive ever read.  Youve got some mad skill here, man.  I just hope that you dont lose your style because youre definitely one of the coolest bloggers out there.  Please keep it up because the internet needs someone like you spreading the word.

188 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

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This web site is my breathing in, really fantastic pattern and perfect subject matter.

190 Can I just mention for maybe the headlines tomorrow that apple blows tonight? It's taken most of today from 415pm-now 850pm to get my two devices, ipad and iphone, to download ios5 and get them running correctly. And this is AFTER having to restart the ipad twice to get it to fully download and the iphone wouldn't speak to my computer for 20minutes while I panicked.