1

I saw this at Fox and was about to skip it because we covered this last night. But then I had a second though. It may be interesting to see FoxÂ’s take on this NBC poll showing Cain bypassing their boy. (long post)

Cain Leapfrogs Romney to Vault to Lead in Poll

Here are the salient points:

Drawn by Cain's blunt, folksy style in recent debates, 27 percent of Republican primary voters picked him as their first choice for the nomination, a jump of 22 percentage points from six weeks ago.

Romney held firm in second place at 23 percent, his same share as in a Journal poll in late August, while Perry plummeted to 16 percent, from 38 percent in August.

Yes Romney held “firm” in second place while Perry plummeted from “August”.  Gee fellows, there have been several polls since August donÂ’t you think. In fact, PerryÂ’s drop has halted and is recovering in some polls.

The poll of 1,000 adults, conducted from Oct. 6-10, comes as many Republican donors and officials have begun to rally around Romney as the party's likely nominee, despite a continued lack of enthusiasm for him documented in the new poll.

1,000 adults (how many Republicans and primary voters?

Poll details

336 Republicans which is a very small number for polling purposes. And it appears only 81 of those were primary voters. So this poll is virtually worthless.

Contrast that with the PPP poll which looked at 486 “likely” Republican primary voters (H/T daily caller)

But we have the ubiquitous “many” donors and equally vague “officials”  who have “begun” to rally around Romney. Hahahahaha, you left out the “many” MFM drones like you who are pushing him as hard as a snake oil salesman in 1890 Kansas.  We KNOW the Party wants him because its his turn, we know you want him because he is a damn squish because unlike the rest of the news orgs, Rupert likes his socialism lite.  The phrase there is “More taxing less bite with Obama Lite”.

But yes, the had to get in some hits on Perry near the end because they know ultimately it will come down to Romney and Perry. After all, they have good old Chris Wallace out there with his magic trolling lure which will entice CainÂ’s dick out to be stepped on.

The question is whether his newfound prominence will be a lasting phenomenon in a campaign that has seen many others surge and then fade. Since the spring, conservatives have given short-lived bursts of support for a string of contenders, including Donald Trump, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Perry.

Yes, Perry has burned out just like Trump who never burned in and Bachmann who has become queen of the crazy. Gotta get PerryÂ’s name in there with the other two.

2

NH threatening to move its primary to Dec 6th if Nev doesn't reconsider

That would make only a few months. Of course NH has been sewed up for Raunchy Romney since the beginning so there will be little impact except increase the time from NH to SC will be good for him losing momentum, which is the only thing these early primaries are worth a shit for now. The first two States already had very few delegates and now they are losing half of them, and they will be proportional delegates.

Could this be why F&F and all the MFM is hyping this shit hard this morning? We are heading into the first primaries shortly so they are going to shift their propaganda into high gear. Standby people the race is on. Have the Morons in Iowa and NH seen in TV ads yet? Perry should be burning up the airwaves in Tv ads for those States now because the MFM is sure not his friend. Rick spend some of that money now!

3

Good Lord! Race baiter son acts like father and runs amuck!

Illinois Democratic Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that congressional opposition to the American Jobs Act is akin to the Confederate “states in rebellion.”

And I though Atlanta had some stupid voters for electing Cynthia McKinny the pop-eyed loon.

But wait thereÂ’s more:

“I hope the president continues to exercise extraordinary constitutional means, based on the history of Congresses that have been in rebellion in the past,” Jackson said. “He’s looking administratively for ways to advance the causes of the American people, because this Congress is completely dysfunctional.”

So “congresses have been in rebellion” and this one is too so Bambi must suspend the Constitution. Of course for Jesse only the Republicans are in rebellion despite the Dems in the Senate not liking it either.

But for an individual who has sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution to know say we must ignore it and violate it openly to me is tantamount to treason. Basically he is advocating we overthrow the legal write that gives the federal government its authority to operate.

Perhaps we should agree with him and shutdown the federal government permanently, eh Jesse, that what you want?  In any case, he is protected by that impervious substance, blackdemocratium and will never be held accountable for this treason.

But one last thought, suppose Jim DeMint had said something similar in 2005 when the Democrats in the Senate aligned with the RINOs to block real energy bill needs and inserted all the “green” BS or made the Bush tax cuts “temporary”.

Yes a Senator from SC calling for Bush to bypass the Constitution!  The MFM would have descended into one of those gibbering gobs of exclamatory goo.

4 Hey, Michelle Bachmann coming up on F&F now to discuss her loony 666 comments.

5

More released secret crap shows how bad Obama has been for foreign policy

He tried to apologize for nuking Japan in WWII.

6

And speaking of crap, some things never die

It has been 20 years since law professor Anita Hill riveted the nation with charges of sexual harassment against her former boss and then-U.S. Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas, allegations that spawned fierce debate over gender discrimination, race and sex.

But the passage of two decades has failed to dim the outrage of the South Carolina women who on Oct. 20 are presenting, for the 20th year, the “We Believe Anita Hill” party. This year, Hill herself is guest of honor.

So why is this all of a sudden “newsworthy”? Could it be because the commies want Thomas recused from the Obamacare scam.

7 ABC News last night covered Cain's 9-9-9 plan.  As some morons calculated yesterday, it's a really bad plan for folks making under $50k per year compared to the status quo.

Once people learn some more about Cain's 9-9-9 plan, his poll numbers will start dropping like a rock.

8

Yesterday I said SC redistricting was held up in the courts and at the DOJ, no longer so.

I canÂ’t find any details on the final plan but the court has written a plan and the DOJ has approved it. Somehow that is not encouraging. But I did find a separate article that said both the ACLU and the NAACP had filed with the DOJ to disapprove it. So that maybe offsets the other.

9 For Jane D'oh - You may find this interesting. I know you have some ties to the Charleston area.

10 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

11

Interesting article from the U.K. on the world's most dangerous beaches

LOL, some of these are a stretch. For example they list Daytona Beach (Volusia County, FL), I have a condo there and have been visiting that beach since I was in High School. It is probably one of the best beaches in the world. I think they greatly exaggerate the threat of shark attack there. (BTW I would like to sell that condo cheap if any of you Romneybots are interested)

12

More proof positive that the unions are in the Democrats back pocket and are more interested in their political ties than in their members

Joe Wurzelbacher, whom Republican presidential nominee John McCain turned into “Joe the Plumber” during the 2008 campaign, is considering running for Congress. But plumbers unions apparently wouldn’t be a source of support, Politico reports.

Snip

“As you know [Democratic Reps.] Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur are also considering this race and have stood by working families time and time again. In doing so, they both have earned the strong support of our members in Ohio. ‘Joe the Plumber’ may have played a part in the 2008 election story, but we know that the plumbers of the United Association and all other plumbers who care about working people will continue to support either Democratic nominee, not ‘Joe the Plumber.’”

13 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Posted by: Washington Nearsider
.........
That goes without saying... but it doesn't hurt to remind folks now and then!

14

(no link) Well after going through all the major papers, there is NOTHING about the outcome of the Senate meeting on Iran. Not a damn thing.  But F&F did put our old buddy John McCain to talk about “not telegraphing our punches”. (and he will join them next hour). I know some of the Morons were complaining about lack of McCain face time lately yesterday <snark>.

So, on to the news mags.

15

Romney and Capital Gains taxes

NRO opens a discussion on the Newt question to Romney regarding capitol gains taxes. (note WP would have never asked Romney a question like this)

The question was why limit the tax break to people with incomes less than 200K (that number sound familiar). The point being that people in that bracket have very little “capital gains” and therefore the benefit to the people and the businesses would be nill. (IOW this so called tax break is all smoke and mirrors).

Why are these things not spread all over the newspapers eh?

16 That's enough for now. Back to the top.

17

Vic, I'm just down the road from your condo in DB. Next time you're there, let me know, I know where the hobos hide just off Main Street. And the salt air adds just a bit of flavor...

Oh, and today is my birthday. Napkins and straws for everyone!

18 Retired folks get a sizable portion of their income on cap gains and dividends, Vic, as I am sure you well know.  The effect is not "nil" at all.

19 it's a really bad plan for folks making under $50k per year compared to the status quo.

The 47% will have to put some skin in the game?  HORRORS!

20 Happy Birthday BB TP SOB. I'll try to remember that. But I don't go down there that much anymore. I have become not so interested in the beach.

21 Posted by: Vic at October 13, 2011 07:01 AM (M9Ie6)

Thank God for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Thank God for our great scientists who were able to build those bombs -- thereby saving hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and sailors (not to mention a few million Japanese).

22 Retired folks get a sizable portion of their income on cap gains and dividends, Vic, as I am sure you well know.  The effect is not "nil" at all.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 07:08 AM (UTq/I)

BULLSHIT

Unless they are totally stupid they live off of the dividends. On this Newt is right.

23 Yeah, everyone should have some skin in the game..  but doubling taxes on lower middle income families is, IMHO, just wrong.

And since his plan is supposedly "revenue neutral", that means he's giving wealthier earners a very big tax break - all on the backs of lower earners.  Does that sound like a policy you are going to win the presidency on?

24 Posted by: HeatherRadish is in Beast Mode! at October 13, 2011 07:10 AM (lGVMg)

I think all earned income should be taxed, starting with the first dollar. But 9% seems a bit much. There is nothing wrong with a sliding scale...that 9-9-9 just sounds good, but isn't rational.

25 Oh, and today is my birthday. Napkins and straws for everyone! Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB Happy Birthday!

26

I have become not so interested in the beach.

That is a shame. But calling DB dangerous keeps away the riff-raff, which is OK by me. I'll bet whoever wrote that was down here during one of the biker events and was scared by all the tattoos and leather and loud bikes and cole-slaw wrestling and burnout competitions and girls wearing chaps and thongs.

Wusses.

27 Okay, which one is 'greedy':  The billionaire who wants to keep as much of his legally-earned money as possible, or the person with less who says 'Take it from him and give it to me'?

28 I said "dividends", didn't I?  Romney's plan includes: Cap Gains, Dividends and interest income.. here's the quote from his "plan".

As president, Romney will seek to eliminate taxation on capital gains, dividends, and interest for any taxpayer with an adjusted gross income of under $200,000, helping Americans to prepare for retirement and enjoy the freedom that accompanies financial security.

29 OT, but this is the fourth distinct hash I have had in the last two weeks, after going at least a year or two with a single one.

I think this blog has been programmed based on the concept that the shortest distance between two points is a cube.

30 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at October 13, 2011 07:07 AM (d0Tfm)

Time for the death panel?

31 More released secret crap shows how bad Obama has been for foreign policy He tried to apologize for nuking Japan in WWII. Saw this yesterday. Rolled my eyes. Still can't believe people actually voted for this guy.

32 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
.........
I think it is based on your IP address, although I could be wrong.  If you have changed routers, cable modem or even if your internet provider has assigned you a new address, that would change things.

33 CBD, my hash has been changing with each log-on lately.

Let's see what it is today:

34 "...girls wearing chaps and thongs."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at October 13, 2011 07:16 AM (d0Tfm)

Pictures?

35 But the passage of two decades has failed to dim the outrage of the South Carolina women who on Oct. 20 are presenting, for the 20th year, the “We Believe Anita Hill” party. This year, Hill herself is guest of honor.

What a fucking fun bunch this must be as a flock of stuck in the closet man-hating crones sit around bitching about how unappreciated they are.  Good to see that Anita has "moved on" because Nina Twatenberg was quick to point out at the time what a BRILLIANT LEGAL MIND she had and this is still the only fucking thing the shrew is known for.

36 Happy birthday, Backwards Boy!  And I hope you are feeling ok today, Vic.

Just popping in on my way to the coffee pot...

mmm... CAW-fee...

...the man has an early meeting today.  Catch ya' later.

37

OK, 'rons 'n 'ettes, I'm off. And I'm going to work, too.

Got my regular, second-Thursday-of-the-month gig tonight, playing percussion at the street party in a nearby community. I'm looking forward to all the music and friends and alcohol imbibimation that will doubtless occur.

How nice of them to hold a party just for me.

Y'all have fun, and save up bail money.

38 Have fun, BB! 

39 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at October 13, 2011 07:16 AM (d0Tfm)

They were hyping on shark attacks.

40 He tried to apologize for nuking Japan in WWII.

I read the link in the sidebar yesterday, not even the Japanese wanted to listen to the SCOAMF.

41 That goes without saying... but it doesn't hurt to remind folks now and then!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 07:05 AM (UTq/I)

It just makes me feel really good to type. 

42 I said "dividends", didn't I?  Romney's plan includes: Cap Gains, Dividends and interest income.. here's the quote from his "plan".

The question concerned capital gains. In addition dividends are much lower, particularly for those with incomes under 200K. As Newt said, the amounts from this plan as a whole really benefit no one.

Believe me this is something I am very damn familiar with. I am one of those "retired" folks living off the dividends. The Bush tax cuts already addresses that BTW and would be permanent if it wasn't for people like John McCain and Romney.

43 Geez, read that article about our boy Precedent releasing the Iranian terrorists, and now I am in a really bad mood! Thanks a lot you effing 52%ers! Thanks a lot. If we cannot win in 2012, we are so screwed.

44 What do the Morons think of my new slogan for Romney (from above)

The phrase there is “More taxing less bite with Obama Lite”.

45 You guys remember that Janet Napolitano was Anita Hill's lawyer during the hearings?

46 How much do you want to bet that the administration has sat on this information about the assasination plot til they needed a "Look There's a Terrorist" Trump Card? Rush was right, this was a Wag The Puppy moment. I guess this whole thing could be like F&F. Only it was terroristwalking instead of guns...

47 I can't stand Obama but F&F is gone stupid in a piece about his "beer summit".

Lead in before the break "They failed to vet attendees because a criminal attended the summit". (Showed a picture of summit with "criminal" sitting next to Obama.

So what was his crime? Previous DUI. FU Fox.

48 Rush was right, this was a Wag The Puppy moment.

LOL, I used that phrase on here before him. Wonder if he picked it up here?

49 The Japanese have a pretty nervous anti-nuke lobby. I can understand that, considering. Our Nuke Navy is extremely careful about every molecule and presser and hint of Nuke news there because of their well deserved nervousness. The Japanese did not want Obama over there "apologizing" (fucking idiot) for WWII because they said their anti-nuke lobby would go nuts. I guess that was his plan pre-tsunami.

50 45 You guys remember that Janet Napolitano was Anita Hill's lawyer during the hearings? Uh, no! I wasn't really paying too much attention back then. What I do remember is not believing that someone who was being degraded and harassed, would follow that boss every time he left an organization. I also remember the alleged pubic hair on the Coke can (foreshadowing of product placement) and Long Dong Silver. I remember thinking, "how is she so sure it was a pubic hair and not a hair from an Afro?

51

50 LOL

I wasn't paying that level of attention either but my husband was a poly-sci major at the time and was paying attention. He said that Anita changed post Napolitano hook up. Is Anita married, btw? I've also read things in the past about Anita having a record of imagining male interest and being upset by it...........interesting.

52 You guys remember that Janet Napolitano was Anita Hill's lawyer during the hearings?

No, I didn't remember.

A few weeks back I read Thomas' book and from his account Hill was more interested in promoting herself than earning notice by doing a good job.

53 Dagny-
I expect an apology for our role in causing the tsunami any time now.

54 You guys remember that Janet Napolitano was Anita Hill's lawyer during the hearings?

Posted by: dagny at October 13, 2011 07:34 AM (n95Yo)

I remember seeing some androgynous pre-cursor of SNL's "Pat" sitting beside her that I was hoping I'd never have to view again.

55 53 Dagny- I expect an apology for our role in causing the tsunami any time now. Yeah surprised the ecotards haven't blamed it on AmeriKKKa's rapacious addiction to oil!

56 44 What do the Morons think of my new slogan for Romney (from above) The phrase there is “More taxing less bite with Obama Lite”. Posted by: Vic at October Morning Vic. Hope your still feeling good today. I like your phrase.... but everything about Romney is Obamalite. Maybe one exception. Healthcare. He is Obama there. Another thought on Cain's 999 plan. Really don't care for it. He keeps saying it is revenue neutral. Isn't that a big problem right there? Isn't that maintaining our too big bloated government?

57 I've also read things in the past about Anita having a record of imagining male interest and being upset by it...........interesting.

Posted by: dagny at October 13, 2011 07:42 AM (n95Yo)

I've heard she causes erectile dysfunction in anybody who meets her.

58 but everything about Romney is Obamalite. Maybe one exception. Healthcare. He is Obama there.

Yeah doing fine so far.

I found it hard to integrate the whole Romney RINO experience in a short catchy phrase. Maybe I am like Perry even though my grade point average was higher (3.9 in thermo plus other highs)

59

"What you cannot anticipate, you cannot dread."

Boy, I didn't see that one coming...

60 When the Anita Hill screed emerged from under the rock where it has been lurking for years, my first thought was "If you can't succeed try, try again!". 

Then I remembered that we much get Thomas to recuse himself from the Oromneycare appeal (even though it is ridiculous to even think of questioning ex-solicitor general Kagan's integrity on this matter).

61

I just hope people in the GOP get over this Cain bullshit quickly.  "9-9-9" will be our political 9-1-1, once voters realize it means everything they want to buy would instantly become 9 percent more expensive.  Half the voters pay no federal income tax at all now, so why should they vote for that? 

If we conservatives really want to win, we have to a) decide soon if Perry can pull his shit together or not and coalesce around him, or - failing that - b) accept that Romney is the best remaining bet and shut up about criticizing him.  Yes, I know all about Romney's RINOhood and his flip-flops and probable "moderate" or even "liberal lite" tendencies.  But... at least he's AMERICAN in outlook. 

Seize the White House with either Perry or, failing that, Romney, and saddle either of them with a conservative Congress.  THAT is the ticket. 

Anyone even THINKING of sitting the next election out because whoever the nominee is ain't "conservative enough" for them may as well just mail in their ballot for Obama right now.

 

62 Then I remembered that we much get Thomas to recuse himself from the Oromneycare appeal (even though it is ridiculous to even think of questioning ex-solicitor general Kagan's integrity on this matter).

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 13, 2011 07:58 AM (i3+c5)

Together we much much, Rev. Hroth...

63 Anyone even THINKING of sitting the next election out because whoever the nominee is ain't "conservative enough" for them may as well just mail in their ballot for Obama right now.

Well, if you want to prevent that then forget about not voting for Perry because the MFM has made him look bad in these debates.

Don't compare debates, compare records. That is damn easy to do since I have already provided the evidence with links to reputable sources.

64 I found it hard to integrate the whole Romney RINO experience in a short catchy phrase. Maybe I am like Perry even though my grade point average was higher (3.9 in thermo plus other highs) Posted by: Vic Funny! Yeah Perry has a problem communicating in the debates. I don't know if you saw any of the video with Perry after the debates. He was really good. He needs to find a way to get mass exposure outside of the debates. Your GPA is quite impressive. You got me beat there. But yeah I did better than Perry too.

65 Has anyone checked Barack Obama's scalp for the sign of the beast???...also...pizza is EVIL!!!

66 It would have been morally wrong not to bomb Japan. As one old timer told me, there was no reason to allow one more American boy to die for Japan's interests when we had the means to stop it.

67 Romney is a commie.

Who believes in AGW.

That is all.

68

"What you cannot anticipate, you cannot dread."

Isn't that the same as, Ignorance is bliss?

69 cool czech:  you are right.  the only theme necessary for 2012 election is "anybody but Obama"  ABO

70

@63: I didn't say I'm not voting for Perry... I will, if it ain't all over for him by the time the primary rolls around in Connecticut.

It's really not up to me and who I personally support or not that will decide Perry's fate: that is up to Perry's ability to stop acting like a Miserable Clutsterfuck of a Debate Failure.  The man shows up on Bloomberg for an Economic Debate to announce he will announce his economic plans in a few days???  That's beyond inexcusable.  ALL Perry has to do is clearly demonstrate that he can walk and chew gum at the same time and the nomination will be his... but he keeps choking on the damned gum.

71 Perry reminds me of Bush Deux...not a great communicator on 'the stage' but a great communicator once removed from the stage...folksy, real and down-to-earth.  It was Bush Deux's downfall (media) and the source of his (MSM) publicized gaffes.

I like Cain the best because he sticks it out there, but there's clearly lots of time left for all to potentially shine.

72 17 Happy Birthday Backwards Boy!!!! Hope you have a glorious day!!!

73 I fear the loss of a conservative GOP may be more damaging to America than four more years of Obama.

74 63 Don't compare debates, compare records. This should be obvious. But I don't think enough Americans have the intelligence to do that. What looks good sells.

75 the only theme necessary for 2012 election is "anybody but Obama"  ABO

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 13, 2011 08:04 AM (/Sgtl)

...yes!

76 there was no reason to allow one more American boy to die for Japan's interests when we had the means to stop it.

I think Truman understood this and is probably why he felt, to the end of his life, he'd made the right decision.

77

Isn't that the same as, Ignorance is bliss?

Posted by: Case at October 13, 2011 08:04 AM (FD6YW)

I believe the full quote is:

If ignorance is Bliss,

then 'tis folly to be Wise!

78 Posted by: moki at October 13, 2011 08:09 AM (dZmFh)

Hi Moki, got a recommendation for you. Its a book a member of my wife's bridge club gave us. Got some real good stuff in it along with many facts.

Betty Crocker Living with Cancer Cookbook

79 I am saying it again:  Obama either will not debate,  or will only do one debate, at a time when other things are going on,  like the World Series.

You need to have somebody who will run good ads, make stem-winding speeches, and has the visceral dislike of Obama necessary to keep him going.

That will be Perry.

80 Hey Moki, Glad to see you here this am. Just wanted you to know you have been in my prayers along with Vic.

81 I think Truman understood this and is probably why he felt, to the end of his life, he'd made the right decision.

Posted by: Retread at October 13, 2011 08:10 AM (Tg2LE)

For all his many faults, Truman served in WWI and knew something about combat losses.  His decision was soundly based, regardless of the un-American pacifist opinions to the contrary.

82

Mic check.

 

(MIC CHECK.)

83 I am saying it again:  Obama either will not debate,  or will only do one debate, at a time when other things are going on,  like the World Series.
Posted by: Miss Marple
............
No, that's wrong.  If Perry is the nominee, Obama will do lots of debates.  That's Perry's weakness.  Why would you not exploit it?  It would be sill not to.

84 I will, if it ain't all over for him by the time the primary rolls around in Connecticut.

The primaries should be anybody but Romney. You can make up your mind AFTER the primaries about voting in the general.

85 Posted by: Miss Marple at October 13, 2011 08:13 AM (GoIUi)

I think you are spot on Miss M.  It is really hard to do well in a debate using a teleprompter, but one of those Secret Service "invisible" earbuds with Valerie Jarrett on the other end might work for one debate.

86 Mornin' all!

Vic & Moki glad to see you both up and at 'em!

87 I don't think most Americans give a crap about these "debates".  It's still too early to tune in politics.  Most people are using free time for football, baseball, and all these new movies that are coming out.  When the high heating bills start coming in, more people will pay attention.

88 You need to have somebody who will run good ads, make stem-winding speeches, and has the visceral dislike of Obama necessary to keep him going.

That will be Perry.

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 13, 2011 08:13 AM (GoIUi)

Yes, but they also have to convince the base there is enough of a difference between them and Obama to make it worthwile to get excited about the election.  That means Perry has to stop saying stupid crap like people concerned about illegal immigration "haven't a heart."

Honestly, I think Perry's MAIN problem is he jumped into the race too late, as an afterthought.  He obviously didn't spend the last few years working out his platform, his economic ideas for the country, and his grasp of the issues well enough to be able to debate with confidence.  The debates are highlighting his lack of confidence, more than anything.  And his fumbling with a minor issue about tuition rates shows lack of preparation.

It's not necessarily his fault he wasn't planning for a run all along: Most people assumed Obama would be popular and get reelected.  What the hell were they thinking??

89 80 Posted by: Miss Marple Love your optimism. Hope your right.

90 I don't think most Americans give a crap about these "debates".  It's still too early to tune in politics.

I think the ones in Iowa and NH do. Those "primaries" are now only a few months away.  That is why I asked earlier if any of the folks there have seen any TV ads from Perry yet.

He needs to bypass the MFM, especially in Iowa. He can't win NH but he can Iowa and SC. He needs to be flooding Iowa shortly, then SC. I wouldn't spend any money in NH, or very little.

91 Is 999 the end all be all? Nope. He does have to get it through congress and good people like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio will not let him do something over the top. That being said, something drastic has to be done in regard to tax collection in this country. The 60k+ pages of legalese is one of our biggest causes of corruption. The IRS is a Fedral agency with unchecked power that destroys people with no regard for fairness or process. The Cost of maintaining the Tax collection system and the cost of Americans to deal with it is close to a Trillion dollars. I want it gone, You want it gone, Cain wants it gone. There is no other viable candidate willing to do the big things. It gonna take big things to turn us around. One last thing, Cain knows what he doesn't know, which to me is preferrable to someone that thinks He/She knows everything.

92 #84  I don't care if you put an empty chair up against Obama.  He cannot defend his record,  and with only ONE guy to debate and good prep,  I would bet Perry could get in quite a few blows.

People are sick of Obama.  I am reminded of Mark Steyn's informal poll on the Bush-Gore debates:

STEYN: Who won the debate?
VOTER:  Gore
STEYN: Who are you voting for?
VOTER: Bush

93 No, that's wrong.  If Perry is the nominee, Obama will do lots of debates.  That's Perry's weakness.  Why would you not exploit it?  It would be sill not to.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 08:15 AM (UTq/I)

 

Exactly.

Obama would keep demanding debate after debate, joint town hall after town hall.  He'd have nothing to lose by debating Perry, who's made it abundantly clear he can't debate his way out of a paperbag. 

94 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 13, 2011 08:22 AM (ZDUD4)

I would have liked it much better if he had advocated a complete flat tax and left of the BS sales tax, especially if it is structured like a VAT.

To me his 999 plan is a negative.

95 Hmm. Appears Anita Hill isn't married. Perhaps Obama will try to name her to the supreme crt with the other two. No wonder she and Napolitano hit it off.

96 Reno, Gorelick, Nappy, Kagan ... What goes on in womyn's law schools?

97 79-Oooooo Vic, you have used that 3.9 mind to ascertain my biggest weakness. I LURVE cookbooks. That will be ordered directly. You doin' okay? 81-macintx-I absolutely know you have been praying. I have been so lifted up by precious friends, known and unknown, that I should be walking five feet off the ground! The good news is that we caught it early. And the doc said that this cancer is either caught early due to something else (usually stomach/gut trouble) or caught too late. So, if you are having pain on your left abdomen, make sure the doctors do a CT scan. That's how they found this. Surgery is probably next week, and he thinks I may not need chemo/bio treatment!!!

98 Obama would keep demanding debate after debate, joint town hall after town hall.  He'd have nothing to lose by debating Perry, who's made it abundantly clear he can't debate his way out of a paperbag.

Keep in mind that if Perry did get the nod and they arranged debates with Obama they would be the only two AND Perry would get to set the rules with Obama or decline the debate.

That would severely limit the ability of the MFM to sabotage him.

99 It is really hard to do well in a debate using a teleprompter, but one of those Secret Service "invisible" earbuds with Valerie Jarrett on the other end might work for one debate.

Exactly. If Perry is only so-so in debates, SCOAMF is worse, he's barely able to string three words together without TOTUS.

I figure SCOAMF is going to avoid debating no matter who gets the GOP nod because of this, but it will be fun to watch him try.

BTW, remember the MFM going nuts about W having a "lump" during one of the debates? turned out to be a bullet-proof vest.

100 That is why I asked earlier if any of the folks there have seen any TV ads from Perry yet.

He needs to bypass the MFM, especially in Iowa. He can't win NH but he can Iowa and SC. He needs to be flooding Iowa shortly, then SC. I wouldn't spend any money in NH, or very little.

Posted by: Vic at October 13, 2011 08:22 AM (M9Ie6)

 

Perry's campaign manager is too laid back, too sanguine that the debates don't matter, and taking too much damned time to start running the ads.  Palin is the perfect example of what happens when you allow the Media to shape your image for you.  The way you fight that is give great televised public appearances and get your ads out there, in overwhelming numbers.  Well, the ads are nowhere to be found - maybe they are being put together by the same guy putting together perry's economic policy - and as for the televised appearances... well... *sob*

101

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 07:59 AM (Iaxlk)

+1000

I hear you bro

102 You doin' okay?

I actually feel real good this morning, got my coffee today!

And I wish I hadn't put that 3.9 in there. Didn't mean for that to be a big thing.

103

Hey moki, didn't catch the news until today. Will join in to keep you uplifted!

Have to take the little one to the dentist today, which he probably won't enjoy very much...just a check up, but he and the girl hate getting x-rays.

104

77 That whole Japan thing pisses me off. In fact, I use that as the example in the class I teach between doctrine of the Church (things you have to believe as a Catholic) and social teaching (things you don't have to believe). I'm always saying, "For example, the Church condemns the use of the atomic bomb to end the war with Japan. I wouldn't be here as my father was sitting in the Phillipines waiting to invade. I'm glad it was used but I don't have to believe what the Church says about that."

At least I understand philosophically why the Church says it was wrong (not) but there is no reason that the President of the United States should ever say that.

What a tool. penis. asshole. SCFOAMF (all the other words have uses)

105 Yeah another good catchy phrase for the Perry campaign staff if monitoring this blog:

Don't compare rhetoric, compare records.

106 That "loony" Bachmann.

There is no other candidate, that has the job killing obamacare in their sights as much Bachmann does... You remember?.. The Bill that got shoved down the throats of the American people, when poll after poll showed overwhelming opposition.

It's been front and center in her whole campaign.

If that's your idea of "loony" I've got a news flash.

107 102

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 07:59 AM (Iaxlk)

+1000

I hear you bro

Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 13, 2011 08:28 AM (yAor6)

 

+10,000

And soon you'll be hearing from ALL of us!

108 Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 08:21 AM (Iaxlk)
The norm used to be that the incumbent advantage was so vast that any sitting Pres was good for another term (see Clinton, BJ).  Thus, the real presidential battle "should" have occurred in 2016.  The SCOAMF caught everyone off guard because he and his Communist agenda were even worse than the John Birch Society could have imagined.
The 2010 TEA party upsets indicated that there was a real groundswell of serious support for something other than more Dems and Obama, but the time lag, and the R tradition of who's next in the NE RINO Establishment line, have served us poorly here.
The R party is busy ensuring that their groomed candidate will be the obvious electable choice, because the country really needs someone that can work across the aisle and propose visually appealing tweaks to the existing system of massive government (think "waivers" not "repeal" of ORomneycare) so that the "voting workers" will think that reform has been accomplished.   In reality, we will be humming the tune "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" for some many years to come.

109 If Perry is the nominee and he and Obama do townhalls, Perry will win them.  If you've never seen him do townhalls, it's like a different person than the one that shows up to debates.    He's very good at them.

Redstate has a couple of videos of Perry after the last debate at a fraternity talking to people and taking questions.  You have to scroll a ways down and the video is in two parts.

http://tinyurl.com/fugqb

110 In other news of interest to the moron horde, Harrisburg filed Ch 9 municipal bankruptcy yesterday. These local bust outs will be very educational as the money runs out in the townships, then the counties, then the cities and then the states. I hope to hell the feds don't interfere any more than they already have.

111

This isnÂ’t geared towards morons, only idiots or the left, but I repeat myselfÂ… YidÂ’s handy guide to contrasting OWSers with Tea Partiers.

112 Running for President isn't really my strong suit!

113 If that's your idea of "loony" I've got a news flash.

Bachmann was at the top of my list despite serval "gaffes" but she crossed the line with the Gardacil thing. She came across as completely bug-fk crazy.

And it looks like I am not the only one that feels that way since she has dropped lower than the "rent's too high" guy in the polls right after that.

114

Posted by: franksalterego at October 13, 2011 08:33 AM (9XykO)

and Ron Paul gets a lot of thinsg right, he's still a loon overall

EVERY candidate has supported the idea of repealing Obamacare not just Bachmann, even Mitt who kept saying he'd pass waivers is now eplicably saying he'll pass a repeal through Reconciliation. Of course this may not matter as the Supreme Court might just strike it down before Nov 2012 even comes.

115 Moki, You have a precious spirit and infectious optimism! Goodness, we need more of that around. Praying the surgery is a complete success. Keep us posted.

116 Illinois Democratic Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that congressional opposition to the American Jobs Act is akin to the Confederate “states in rebellion.”

This is worse than Selma.

117

The norm used to be that the incumbent advantage was so vast that any sitting Pres was good for another term (see Clinton, BJ). 

bullcrap. The MSM and Liberal Historians continue to claim that Presidents get re-elected. BS. less then 50% of our Presidents have been elected more then once.

118

WhoÂ’s this Galt fellow weÂ’ve been hearing so much about?  Via Instapundit

119 One last thing, Cain knows what he doesn't know, which to me is preferrable to someone that thinks He/She knows everything.


Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 13, 2011 08:22 AM

This right here.

I strongly doubt Cain went into any of his previous jobs knowing everything about what he had to do beforehand. He strikes me as a guy who takes on a task and zeroes in on what needs to be done using his intellect.

The criticism of him seems awfully Hot Air-ish to me, dissing him because he isn't some entrenched political hack who has a handy study guide containing all the pop phrases political hacks are supposed to use.

Leaving Mutt Romney aside -- please! -- Gingrich comes across as bright but lazy. What has he done for the past many years besides chow down at Washington events and blather away on Hannity's show? Perry seems a good choice, especially for those who like to channel their inner Dubya and say "miss me yet?"

Either Cain or Perry would be a good choice IMO. Both have accomplishments to back up their talk, though either needs a conservative Congress backing them up, of course.

120

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 13, 2011 08:35 AM (bZ8J6)

*facepalm*

121 Anyone but Romney followed by anyone but Obama.  Quite a field we have here.  Sad times when the best you can say about your chosen candidate is, "well shit, at least he's not that guy!"

122 I also think Perry wasn't originally planning on running.  Perhaps he assumed Palin would (I did).  Maybe he didn't realize how bad things were going to get with Obama.  Or maybe he just got pissed because Obama wouldn't give any disaster aid for all of those fires and decided to go in after all.

Yes,  he needs to stop saying ill-considered things.  He probably garbles his phrases much like Bush did.  I still think people are tired of the talk.  Most of the debate centers on whether the candidate can be seen as president,  and whether he is likable.  I think Perry can pass that test. 

123 To me his 999 plan is a negative. Vic, could you help me to understand how a National sale tax is anything close to a vat? A vat is collected from business at every stage of the manufacturing process. I believe a national sales tax is necessary if not preferable as to any other tax. As long as the income tax is vastly reduced or eliminated. If I want to buy a 20k car, I have to gross 30k. The very wealthy, trust fund babies, drug dealers and people in cash businesses just have to make 20k. Those in the middle class and upper middle class get screwed. Romney is Wealthy, he's not going to screw with the tax code. It's made to benefit him. The rest of the candidates don't want to piss off the rich that fund them. I think that's why Cain is not getting those big bundled contributions.

124 Bachmann was at the top of my list despite serval "gaffes" but she crossed the line with the Gardacil thing.

I, for one, am not the least bit interested in that little piss-ant non-issue.

I want someone focused on the biggest monstrosity in history... You can't name one other candidate that has that focus.

125 http://tinyurl.com/6ho5qmj

2 million people on Obama's call/mail list wouldn't even pay $3 to have dinner with him

"He said more than 980,000 people have given money to the campaign. ... Volunteers and organizers have made 3 million phone calls and in-person visits to voters."

126 Since it's just about time for the DOOM thread I think it's time to try to find some shiners and maybe catch a pickerel or two.

127 What has he done for the past many years besides chow down at Washington events and blather away on Hannity's show?

Well to be honest he has been active. I signed up for his web site years ago (it is now converted to a campaign site). Been getting newsletters from him since then.

When he got on the couch with Pelosi I stopped visiting and delete the e-mails. He is toast now.

128

This is kind of interesting to me; Over eight years, the left, and especially the MFM, could point to maybe a dozen gaffs that Bush made that they used as a foundation for their premise that Bush was an intellectual light weight.  Over at HotAir, like clockwork, theyÂ’ve been able to point to daily, and often multiple daily, SCOAMFisms by the leftÂ’s intellectual super heavy weight.  HereÂ’s just the latest.

129

Have to take the little one to the dentist today, which he probably won't enjoy very much...just a check up, but he and the girl hate getting x-rays.

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 13, 2011 08:30 AM (XdlcF)

I hate the x-ray method my dentist uses: they stick this huge sharp-edged piece of plastic in your mouth and tell you to bite down on it, so it jabs the roof and floor of your mouth.  You're in pain, you can barely breath, and it takes them forever to take the x-ray.  Screw whoever invented that.

130 Vic, we pray for your recovery and look forward to your morning news excerpts; you really add a lot to the experience here in the morning.

Oldsailer's Poet, thank you for your service to this fine country.

Ace & Co., thanks for this bad-ass free blog; it helps keep me sane and your efforts are more appreciated than you'll ever know.

131 Off, perry sock

132

Posted by: Miss Marple at October 13, 2011 08:41 AM (GoIUi)

Perry is done unless i'm not seeing something you guys are. If you go back and look at his poll numbers he was still leading even after 2 subpar debates. That "Heartless" comment (which I kinda agreed with but w/e) is when everything went down hill. Perry not only fell in the polls but lost support to Cain and in one recent poll is 4th behind Gingrich. Further more, Perry's "Ponzi Scheme" comments (though true) hurt him in the General. He went from tied to in some polls beating Obama to losing to Obama w/ Palin/Bachmann-like numbers in the last recent Rasmussen poll.

in the words of Vincent K. McMahon

Perry Screwed Perry

so again what are folks seeing that i'm not that makes them think Perry's still in this?

133 Vic, could you help me to understand how a National sale tax is anything close to a vat?

I believe I used "if" in there. I haven't seen how his plan is to be implemented. Hell he may not even have details. I have seen other people though call it a VAT. That may or may not be correct.

In any case, I do not support both a sales tax and an income tax.

134 Here's my other problem.

Bachmann may become a pick for the VP slot.. Or, some other position, where she can help get rid of Obamacare.

We don't need to denigrate her.

135

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 13, 2011 08:44 AM (bZ8J6)

*ANOTHER facepalm*

136 When he got on the couch with Pelosi I stopped visiting and delete the e-mails. He is toast now.
Posted by: Vic at October 13, 2011 08:44 AM

Newtie has a website and sends out emails (probably written by someone else)?

Sounds to me like maybe Ace should run for the presidency. He could teach "Poppin' Fresh Maximus" a thing or two about how that's done!

137 Posted by: Things that ought to be said more often but aren't at October 13, 2011 08:45 AM (cOjqC)

Thanks

138 LOL, we now have a post up about the VAT

139

bullcrap. The MSM and Liberal Historians continue to claim that Presidents get re-elected. BS. less then 50% of our Presidents have been elected more then once.

Posted by: Team Mitt's AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 13, 2011 08:38 AM (yAor6)

 

Yup.

Contrary to Camelot mythology, JFK was facing strong headwinds before he was shot.  LBJ bowed out.  Carter went down in flames.  Ford didn't win even though he was an incumbant.

 

 

140

I hate the x-ray method my dentist uses: they stick this huge sharp-edged piece of plastic in your mouth and tell you to bite down on it, so it jabs the roof and floor of your mouth. 

Yep. After having to hold down my daughter to do that Tues., they just called and suggested giving a little Benedryl to my son now.

Of course, we have none in the house, somehow. 

Maybe I'll get some on the way, but it prob. wouldn't have time to work then.

141 The pics on Drudge hysterical. La la la di la di da.

142 I simply cannot support a plan that opens up yet another avenue of taxation.  Even if 999 could pass (a probability that tends toward zero in my mind) it would probably be only six months or so (if that) before the Dems proposed (and the GOP agreed) that maybe - just maybe, only a temporary measure, mind you, after which we'll put it back the way it was, swear! - we should raise it to 12-13-11 or whatever to help pay for teachers/first responders/ Napalitano's new rollerblades, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.  It never stops with these people.

143 Thinking back to the Thomas/Hill pubie hearings, the biggest indictment of CT was the possibility that he was even interested in a holier than thou wet blanket like Hill in the first place.

She was clearly so unfamiliar with even the remotest concept of fun that she wouldn't recognize it if it ran her down in a 10 wheeler.

I watched a lot of that in Montreal in bars and in the hotel (mini-bar) and was amazed at the amount of Canadian coverage and interest.
It was at about this time, Columbus Day which for them is Thanksgiving IIRC and there were a lot of people out, and everybody had an opinion.

144 I have seen other people though call it a VAT. That may or may not be correct. It's not correct, it's a lie and a smear and I have seen the ones I consider our best and brightest here on Aos say it. My problem with 999 is your problem with 999. The pols ability to make it 121212.

145

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 13, 2011 08:51 AM (bZ8J6)

AND ANOTHER

146

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 13, 2011 08:54 AM (ZDUD4)

I think Cain did say though that he would make it a 2/3 majority needed to raise the taxes under his plan, I think Cain keeps forgetting he's just 1 guy who still needs congress' approval though

147 Newtie has a website and sends out emails (probably written by someone else)?

Yes, it is basically his campaign site now.

148 Vic -
Lead in before the break "They failed to vet attendees because a criminal attended the summit". (Showed a picture of summit with "criminal" sitting next to Obama.

So what was his crime? Previous DUI. FU Fox.

... were they referring to his surprise visit to an Orlando bar?

149

11 Vic - thanks for posting that link to the 14 most dangerous beaches - that croc doesn't live on Fraser Island though - no crocs there as it's a bit too far south so the journo has taken a bit of an imaginative leap!

If any of you ever visit Down Under, Fraser Island, the largest sand island in the world should be on your must visit list - it's just spectacular, wild, with unbelievable scenery and wildlife

150 148, agree. End withholding, elect new pols, then fix the revenue side once the people understand the cost of government.

151 ... were they referring to his surprise visit to an Orlando bar?

I didn't catch the name of the bar. They mostly showed the picture and called it the beer summit.

152 If any of you ever visit Down Under,

I would love to go back for a visit. But alas, can't afford it now. I thought that Australia was the most friendly country I had ever visited when I went there in the 70s.

153 The President made a surprise visit to a local bar with the Orlando mayor. The Secret Service went in in advance and took IDs and frisked everyone.

Meanwhile, Orlando's #1 ambulance chaser and employer of Charlie Crist, John Morgan, hosted a fundraiser for Obama. Morgan has at least 5 DUI convictions. It's a local punchline.

154
Thank God for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The pop-tards won't let go of that one.  I was hulu-watching a Warehouse 13 and the "artifact" was Col. Paul Tibbetts (not named) binoculars, with a ?God forgive us? scratched into them. 

155

Posted by: weew at October 13, 2011 09:04 AM (7RbIF)

I thought Morgan looked like a good guy w/ his down-home friendly law commercials, then when I looked the guy up I realized he was the typical lefty-lawyer

156

159 Vic

I think the same about the US after many trips there - so many friendly people including in New York city after we were told people there were awful to strangers - not true!

And more trips to come because my daughter and her husband will be moving to California shortly - their business is based in Texas but they will be buying a house in LA so it's easier for all the Aussie rellies to just hop off the plane and stop in LA rather than travel on to Texas

157 I watched the Anita Hill hearings on CSPAN.  At the time (and still to this day) I found her story incredible.   As in: not credible.  Her actions surrounding the incident, including whom she told about it and whom she did not tell about it, supported my view that she saw some minor incident (if even that happened) as her meal ticket for career advancement.

I've been sexually harassed at work to the point of having to complain to my bosses about it (and consulting a lawyer in case they did not address the problem), so I do take that sort of thing seriously.  But I simply did not - and do not - believe Ms. Hill. 

I was so incensed about the whole thing that I wrote to several members of the committee (iirc, Hatch, Leahy and one other senator), going so far as to FedEx the letters.  It really pisses me off when women use baseless allegations of harassment to manipulate their male bosses and colleagues.  I'm glad Justice Thomas managed to get confirmed anyway.  That was a really slimey moment in US politics. 

158 It was at about this time, Columbus Day which for them is Thanksgiving IIRC

Yes, they are celebrated on the second Monday in October.  Once Mrs H and I spent Canadian Thanksgiving on Quebec City strictly by coincidence; we had turkey as a kind of personal celebration of it but I don't think they have the same concentration on that as the centerpiece of the meal as the US does.  Looking it up on wiki to make sure I didn't say anything demonstrably false, it seems that the maritime provinces (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edwards Island, Labrador and Newfoundland) don't regard it as a statutory holiday, but I'll bet a few of the citizens there celebrate it.

159 Lets embrace a flat tax. The concept that equality equals different rates of taxes is wrong. If you want a United States there should be only one Federal rate of taxation. If you want to divide and conquer then you be loving some progressive taxation; which is to say that there really is some skittle shitting rich pony behind the tree just needing a good beating by an imported community organizer. Lets fuck with the OWS crowd and fully embrace equality. Then they can explain why they are for discrimination.

160

Reno, Gorelick, Nappy, Kagan ... What goes on in womyn's law schools?

 

Field Hockey, Fast Pitch Softball, Golf, pillow fights, slumber parties, ...

161 Sounds as if Captain "I got Bin Laden" Awesome is having a little trouble with his buddy Chinless Wonder's latest snatch.  Pull NYT story headline:

U.S. Challenged to Explain Accusations of Iran Plot in the Face of Skepticism The story then goes on to say that it is our allies that are skeptical, and are insisting we prove the allegations. 

Allies.  Yeah.  I'll be Russia and China won't even give it the honor of a comment by even some 12th tier official.

162 Aussie, glad to "see" you again on these pages.  Thanks for the kind words.  In my many travels I've observed that the Aussies, Americans and South Africans are the most similar.  Wide open spaces do that I think.

163

170 Mr Dave

Thanks, I'm trying to get out of lurker status now that I've decided this is the US blog most suited to me - and yes I agree about the wide open spaces thing however it's a personal thing too - I love travelling and I find if I'm happy and positive I seem to find like- minded people anywhere

The nicest person I met in the US - an absolutely delightful person in NYC who helped me when I was completely lost - without him I think I'd still be there trying to find my hotel ( a few years later)

 

164 He tried to apologize for nuking Japan in WWII.


Saw this yesterday. Rolled my eyes. Still can't believe people actually voted for this guy.

Posted by: macintx at October 13, 2011 07:20 AM (ucs8Y)

Speaking of nuke and Japan, is that place still a nuclear wasteland? news got kind of quiet once the plant got under control, 2 headed babies? godzilla sightings? apologies from the media?

165 11 I have a condo there and have been visiting that beach since I was in High School. It is probably one of the best beaches in the world. I think they greatly exaggerate the threat of shark attack there. (BTW I would like to sell that condo cheap if any of you Romneybots are interested)
__________

"Quick! Buy my house before I get eaten by a shark!"

166 I said they would go hard now. Fox is now advertising for the Mormon church.

167 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

168 I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

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