October 24, 2011
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Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2011 02:58 AM (OKhgI)
New Video Reveals: NYTimes Reporter Natasha Lennard Is #OccupyWallStreet Activist, Supporter
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Posted by: chemjeff at October 24, 2011 03:11 AM (s7mIC)
Why do I have a feeling today's DOOM thread is gonna be overflowing with doominess?
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 03:13 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 03:22 AM (YdQQY)
Argentina: Since Cristina Fernandez and her predecessor as president, husband Nestor Kirchner, first moved into Argentina's presidential palace in 2003, the income gap between the country's rich and poor has been reduced by nearly half. Meanwhile, according to the International Monetary Fund's numbers for 2002-2011, Argentina's real GDP has grown 94 percent, the fastest in the Western Hemisphere and about twice the rate of Brazil, which also has grown substantially, economist Mark Weisbrot said. U.S. President Barack "Obama could take a lesson from this," said Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. "It's an old-fashioned message of democracy: You deliver what you promise and people vote for you. It's kind of forgotten here in the U.S." -- "Boom times fuel Argentine president's re-election," By Michael Warren (AP) Oct 24, '11
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Aside from what must be Argentina's "spread the wealth" phenomena via smaller income gap as promised, is their boom based on speculation, another bubble preparing to burt? Or are their domestic petro production sales supporting their monetary system with something valuable? THAT would be the lesson worth practicing in the USA.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at October 24, 2011 03:23 AM (lpWVn)
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Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at October 24, 2011 03:35 AM (6QZ7V)
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Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 03:39 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 24, 2011 03:41 AM (haFNK)
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 07:39 AM (I2LwF)
Do you really need my permission for that? Once posted it becomes public property. (or at least ace's property) But anyway, have at it. I would be proud to have you post my rant.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 03:41 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 03:42 AM (I2LwF)
Jeff Sessions goes after the welfare program known as food stamps
As I have been saying for years now, Newt's congress did not get rid of welfare "as we know it". They just retitled it.Besides, why do we need food stamps, we are feeding them with the school budget now.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 03:46 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: San Antonio Rose at October 24, 2011 07:32 AM (F12pH)
We sprang from a version of Britain that has almost entirely ceased to exist. It'll be gone entirely in a few more years. More's the pity...for all its faults, the British Empire did a lot of good for the world while it was around. I'm guessing the Chinese Hegemony or the World Caliphate or whatever we get next won't work out so well.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 24, 2011 03:47 AM (haFNK)
Food Stamps is a great conservative poster boy for liberal excess. But as far as welfare programs go, it's cheap and stimulative.
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 03:50 AM (I2LwF)
Based on the current POTUS record, this ability seems to be a job requirement these days.
If a politician doesn't have flexible principles, how can he bend with the polling winds?
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 24, 2011 03:52 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 03:55 AM (I2LwF)
Let's see, who was it that said the call to evening prayer was the sweetest sound he'd ever heard?
Probably the same guy who hatched the US plans to support our allies in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 24, 2011 03:56 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Doom am I
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The protesters can stay overnight where they were originally protesting in the financial district - but they cannot camp out there.. They have to stand on the sidewalk.
What the Chicago cops blocked last night (for the second weekend in a row) was a much bigger campout they were trying in Grant Park. Grant Park is right along the lakefront and would be visible by tourists, etc.. no way they were gonna allow that.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 03:57 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 03:57 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 03:58 AM (UTq/I)
So, no it was not illegal, but is was a document explaining why the leadership of the colonies were committing an illegal act. We should not forget this because it shows what the leadership risked by doing what they did.
They were for the most part wealthy men of the colonies. Not only did they take a chance on losing that, but they were subject to the then penalties for treason; the original "cruel and unusual punishment" known as drawing and quartering.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 03:58 AM (YdQQY)
Aside from local inconveniences, ignore the fact that this process contaminates the underground water table, as if water isn't a factor in arid places like Southern Utah or Eagle Ford, TX.
Aside from promoting big business in Texas, what "balance" has Gov. Perry made certain to enforce, protecting water resources for human consumption prioritized to shale hydraulic fracturing, and requiring oil industry trucking fees to maintain what they overuse of local roads currently burdening local taxpayers. What proper role do Republican voters consider their Governor's responsibility, protecting the natural resources and appropriate tax burdens in his State? Are all things left to global corporations to determine, based on their biggest profits? Is this a matter for local governance, for the Mayor of Smallsville to dictate trade agreements with global corporate interests?
What good is a job that literally destroys the regional habitation? A laborer has a job, and unless the corporation provides housing that must be built, the laborer buys a house that had to be built for him because of limited existing housing, and when the limited water resources expire, the laborer is laid off stuck WITH the mortgage. And the local population that inhabited the region prior to the hydraulic fracturing, there's no water left, no way to remain. Hydraulic fracturing is a constant pollutant, unlike occasional oil spills and drilling accidents.
Correct me where I'm mistaken.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 04:03 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 24, 2011 04:04 AM (GoIUi)
Whereas today, thanks to the OWSers, that phrase refers to drawing vermin while quartering in public.
Posted by: No Whining at October 24, 2011 04:05 AM (Y9JPs)
Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 24, 2011 04:06 AM (/Sgtl)
Polygamy? Sounds like it is aimed at appeasing some small minority.
Interest? They charge fees instead of interest.. same thing under another name.
I still don't see much in the way of change here.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 04:10 AM (UTq/I)
the price of the Argentine exports,
Posted by: ian cormac at October 24, 2011 04:11 AM (JU0xh)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 04:11 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 08:11 AM (ZDUD4)
Interest is a tool of the Joooos as well. That nasty compounding math thing.
Sharia banking is more like borrowing from Vinnie on the corner--think vigorish (and knee problems)!
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 24, 2011 04:16 AM (i3+c5)
You'd think. But Sharia Law ultimately is enforced by someone. And who someone is makes all the difference. Now it's the vilest of anti-American jihadist-Muslims put into power by our own government. Not only is al-Qaeda anti-American, now armed with Gaddafi's Military arsenal and massive WEALTH, but al-Qaeda is committing genocide of all black Libyans and Africans, along with all minorities who do not conform to whatever version of Islamic purity that they impose. There are MANY immigrant laborers whom Gaddafi provided employment stuck in Libya, being mass murdered, individually murdered, exterminated.
During Gaddafi's rule, Libyan women were educated and allowed professional careers alongside their male counterparts in society. During Gadaffi's rule, every citizen was free to attended school free of charge, higher education was available to all Libyans, as were hospitals and free medical treatment, JOBS and housing. Gaddafi actually spent oil profits on Libya's population AND on poor African countries, providing them with schools, roads and hospitals from Libyan oil profits. American professors were invited by Gaddafi to teach in Libya, their safety guaranteed along with generous salaries, and American foreign exchange students were a feature of Libya then as well.
Gaddafi did not utilize the globalist bankers. And they got theirs, rather his. Sick
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 04:19 AM (lpWVn)
But then, you've never been there. And you don't know anyone who has.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 04:22 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: USA at October 24, 2011 04:23 AM (6Cjut)
Barone tees off on the religion known as Global Warming
One wonders how many columns he has written in the past supporting this cult?
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 04:27 AM (YdQQY)
...a couple of weeks ago I posted a summary regarding this man, losing Gaddafi, Jalil being the most feared man in Libya.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 04:29 AM (lpWVn)
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Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 04:29 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 08:03 AM (lpWVn)
Umm, what? Frac water does not contaminate drinking water aquifers. They are in two very different strata of the earth. Please show me where this has happened. And no, a link to Gasland is not going to cut it.
Posted by: chemjeff at October 24, 2011 04:32 AM (s7mIC)
Everyone now paying $5/mo. to keep a savings account open: this is a poor time to mock Sharia finance laws. We just passed one.
Posted by: comatus at October 24, 2011 04:33 AM (NA+Ul)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 04:35 AM (ZDUD4)
As near as I can figure, sharia banks don't actually make loans.. In order to make a profit, they buy what the lendee wants, and then sells it to him at a higher price, allowing the the lendee to make installments, rather than a lump sum to the seller.
It's bit of a slight of hand, where they can eliminate the word interest.. But, it amounts to almost the same thing.
Posted by: franksalterego at October 24, 2011 04:37 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: USA at October 24, 2011 04:39 AM (6Cjut)
Instead of a money economy: based upon corruption, opposition, selfishness and greed: create your own self-sufficient communities and economies based upon cooperation, trust and fun.
If you give someone a million dollars: are you helping them? No. They just gave you some pieces of worthless paper...
If someone wants to help you by giving their time and energy and resources, and sharing what they have with you, and you share your time and energy and help them: neither of you need to exchange paper to do this. Human society functions because it is based upon cooperation.
Instead of a paper economy: create an economy based upon hugs&kisses . Have everyone pay for whatever they receive with hugs and kisses. Do you want to be rich in paper money, or rich in hugs and kisses? Create your own self-sufficient communities based upon gratitude:instead of entitlement... communities based upon generosity and giving instead of selfishness and taking.Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 24, 2011 04:40 AM (PLvLS)
As to housing, campers and mobile/modular homes are being used a lot in the more remote areas. BYOHome so to speak.
Water consumption is a valid concern however. Some outfits are even trucking it in with tankers. The wastewater is being treated. I daresay they recycle their water better than you do at home.
There are downsides to practically any activity. Farming puts nitrogen and phosphorus compounds into our waterways, depletes soil, creates dust, depletes the water table & so on. Should we all stop eating? There is a risk/reward aspect to resource extraction and you want to focus entirely on the risk.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 04:42 AM (ENKCw)
Oh goody...that goes perfect with my coffee.....
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Posted by: USA at October 24, 2011 04:46 AM (6Cjut)
Food Stamps is a great conservative poster boy for liberal excess. But as far as welfare programs go, it's cheap and stimulative.
Posted by: Truman North at October 24, 2011 07:50 AM
True. There are much more fraud-ridden entitlement programs, particulary SSI and even TANF(Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) to go after. Actually of all those programs the food stamps one is better regulated because of the use of the debit card. The problem with programs like TANF is that they are grants to the states who can then modify them. "Under the law the States have broad flexibility to determine eligibility, method of assistance, and benefit levels." Needless to say this has caused all kinds of abuses but I don't see Congress doing much about it since it would require totally revamping the original 1996 law.
Posted by: Deanna at October 24, 2011 04:47 AM (V8Aii)
And.. Fracturing doesn't use only water.. It uses some pretty nasty chemicals as well..
From compressor stations emitting known human carcinogens such as benzene to the poor lining of wells after drilling that has led some water taps to literally spout flames,
http://tinyurl.com/yhjqdqy
A set of seven samples collected throughout the town analyzed for a variet of air pollutants last August found that benzene was present at levels as much as 55 times higher than allowed by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ). Similarly, xylene and carbon disulfide (neurotoxicants), along with naphthalene (a blood poison) and pyridines (potential carcinogens) all exceeded legal limits, as much as 384 times levels deemed safe. "They're trying to get the pipelines in the ground so fast that they're not doing them properly," says Calvin Tillman, DISH's mayor. "Then you've got nobody looking, so nobody knows if it's going in the ground properlyÂ…. You just have an opportunity for disaster here."
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 04:48 AM (UTq/I)
Oh goody...that goes perfect with my coffee.....
Yeah, I think I'll skip that one. Forever.
Posted by: Retread at October 24, 2011 04:50 AM (iquX/)
Sallahi, at least two Qatari based Islamists are really running the show.
Posted by: ian cormac at October 24, 2011 04:57 AM (JU0xh)
Posted by: franksalterego at October 24, 2011 08:52 AM (9XykO)
It's Libya's version of don't ask don't tell
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2011 05:03 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Barbarian at October 24, 2011 05:21 AM (EL+OC)
Old Sailor's Poet, Exactly. Which is why I considered what he's ignoring. You don't critically read? Reputing sources point blank is one way.
Chemjeff, why get pissy? I asked for correction of what I came across the recent years when Utah shale was being touted as the latest manna from heaven, and again when the big announcement of shale oil in Texas first made news. So you refute what I came across this morning based on your word, fine, but no link. meh
Now, what of Republican voter expectations from our government's Chief Executives? The Tea Party protested for smaller government, more local prioritization. Given globalist corporations, what coordination if any should Mayors have with deals that Governors make importing big business?
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 05:24 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 08:03 AM (lpWVn)
You'd think. But Sharia Law ultimately is enforced by someone. And who someone is makes all the difference.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 08:19 AM (lpWVn)
And who are you, good sir, that is one so well versed in the ways of politics, science, geology, mineral extraction industies, Sharia law, international geo politics, all things sciency and political science? This new learning amazes me, Sir didn't take long. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
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Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 09:24 AM
One of our regulars, TexasJew is working those fields and if he were to see your screed he would quote another moron ...
There's two kinds of people in this world. People who know what they're talking about and assholes like you
Posted by: kbdabear at October 24, 2011 05:57 AM (Y+DPZ)
Halliburton Hydraulic Fracking
"You have intervening rock in between the area that you are fracturing and the areas that provide water supplies. The notion that fractures are going to migrate up to those shallow formations -- there is just no evidence of that happening," says Ken Wonstolen, an attorney representing the Colorado Oil and Gas Association who has worked with the petroleum industry for two decades. "I think fracturing has been given a clean bill of health."
In July, a hydrologist dropped a plastic sampling pipe 300 feet down a water well in rural Sublette County, Wyo., and pulled up a load of brown oily water with a foul smell. Tests showed it contained benzene, a chemical believed to cause aplastic anemia and leukemia, in a concentration 1,500 times the level safe for people. Drilling operators said the benzene came from leaky equipment on the trucks that haul water and waste to and from the drill sites. In September, the Bureau of Land Management approved plans for 4,400 new wells in Sublette County, despite the unresolved water issues. Tests there showed contamination in 88 of the 220 wells examined, and the plume stretched over 28 miles. When researchers returned to take more samples, they couldn’t even open the water wells; monitors showed they contained so much flammable gas that they were likely to explode. News that water in Sublette County was contaminated was especially shocking because the area is so rural that until a few years ago cattle were still run down Main Street in Pinedale, the nearest town to the gas field. The county is roughly the size of the state of Connecticut but has fewer people than many New York City blocks. With so little industry, there was little besides drilling that people could blame for the contamination. The 2004 EPA study concluded that hydraulic fracturing posed "no threat" to underground drinking water because fracturing fluids aren't necessarily hazardous, can’t travel far underground, and that there is "no unequivocal evidence" of a health risk. But documents obtained by ProPublica show that the EPA negotiated directly with the gas industry before finalizing those conclusions, and then ignored evidence that fracking might cause exactly the kinds of water problems now being recorded in drilling states. Buried deep within the 424-page report are statements explaining that fluids migrated unpredictably -- through different rock layers, and to greater distances than previously thought -- in as many as half the cases studied in the United States. The EPA identified some of the chemicals as biocides and lubricants that “can cause kidney, liver, heart, blood, and brain damage through prolonged or repeated exposure." It found that as much as a third of injected fluids, benzene in particular, remains in the ground after drilling and is “likely to be transported by groundwater."
Over the last few years, however, a series of contamination incidents have raised questions about that 2004 EPA study and ignited a debate over whether the chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing may threaten the nation's increasingly precious drinking water supply.
An investigation by ProPublica, which visited Sublette County and six other contamination sites, found that water contamination in drilling areas around the country is far more prevalent than the EPA asserts. Our investigation also found that the 2004 EPA study was not as conclusive as it claimed to be. A close review shows that the body of the study contains damaging information that wasn't mentioned in the conclusion. In fact, the study foreshadowed many of the problems now being reported across the country.
The contamination in Sublette County is significant because it is the first to be documented by a federal agency, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. But more than 1,000 other cases of contamination have been documented by courts and state and local governments in Colorado, New Mexico, Alabama, Ohio and Pennsylvania. In one case, a house exploded after hydraulic fracturing created underground passageways and methane seeped into the residential water supply. In other cases, the contamination occurred not from actual drilling below ground, but on the surface, where accidental spills and leaky tanks, trucks and waste pits allowed benzene and other chemicals to leach into streams, springs and water wells
It is difficult to pinpoint the exact cause of each contamination, or measure its spread across the environment accurately, because the precise nature and concentrations of the chemicals used by industry are considered trade secrets. Not even the EPA knows exactly what's in the drilling fluids. And that, EPA scientists say, makes it impossible to vouch for the safety of the drilling process or precisely track its effects.
"Buried Secrets: Is Natural Gas Drilling Endangering U.S. Water Supplies?" by Abrahm Lustgarten, ProPublica, Nov. 13, 2008.Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 06:01 AM (lpWVn)
if he were to see your screed
WTF. No. I specifically posted my question here for the experts in that field.
But then, the kneejerk responses to the question as if screed. Hence, asshats.
Reading is fundamental. "Correct me" was my request. And I'd like TexasJew or ChemJeff to explain where the (evil) environmentalists are overstating their cases.
I'm from the desert. My families pioneered the desert. So my native interest in maintaining the ground water is sincere, given that in arid regions, that's all which life can count on between rare rains. And the influx of snowbird populations have of themselves already extraordinarily lowered ground water tables.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 06:10 AM (lpWVn)
So, what of the question I ask of readers?
What role do governors and mayors play in protecting a State's natural resources, so far as Republicans and Tea Party voters think?
Given the EPA and over-extension of POTUS Chief Executive privileges, seizing private lands renamed federal lands and then declaring what will/won't be tolerated on former ranch lands, what do we voters want or expect our Governors to do, if anything?
When in a dialog, a question is not a belligerent confrontation.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 06:17 AM (lpWVn)
I just hate airline travel and the way it makes me miss sleep or even the chance to relax for an hour or two every 6 hours.
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Posted by: charings at October 24, 2011 06:28 AM (BI1gy)
You're mistaken to assert that I entirely only want to focus on the risk.
You must have missed the onset of givens. Go back and go figure.
Given that gas is cleaner than oil, and in abundance, and that we have the technology in place to extract and produce clean and abundant gas energy to enable US energy independence, what concerns should matter regarding the existing problems? And how best address inconvenient evidence within the data summary?
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 06:33 AM (lpWVn)
Makes no sense not to utilize an abundant natural resource. It can be done by following the principle of rational self interest. Revisit Atlas Shrugged for an explanation. The caveat is that it be practiced legally, morally and ethically--else the premise is illogical and cannot succeed.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2011 06:45 AM (SAMxH)
But Sharia Law ultimately is enforced by someone. And who someone is makes all the difference.
The same observation applies to Constitutional Governance. It's enforced (or not) by someone which makes all the difference in practice.
I know university colleagues who accepted Gaddafi's invitation to nearly the entire department to teach several summers in Libya, and expressed here what they shared of their experiences within the Libyan educational system and population of students. If interested parties would, then discuss reference readings. Some sources directly involved in the Muslim Middle East US conflicts include these three:
waq ak waq
arabia today
Michael Yon
Posted by: didn't take long at October 24, 2011 06:58 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 07:14 AM (SB0V2)
yes I saw that. FABULOUS.
so now my Church supports:
- unfettered, taxpayer-subsidized illegal immigration
- a GIANT effing UN-like "central bank"
- Socialist whiny babies
fookin RCC is full of fookin commies . . . I blame the Irish . . . just kiddin! we Italians are pretty socialist too
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 11:14 AM (SB0V2)
Yeah. Father whatshisname just got his monthly envelope returned to him with a 3 page screed from me. I thanked him for helping in my decision to become a Mormon. LOL
Posted by: Barbarian at October 24, 2011 07:46 AM (EL+OC)
"Herman Cain is on F&F this morning walking back all his gaffes."
How about his birther gaffe?
Sorry, that was Perry.
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Is this the blog where political and global impacting news stories appear 24 hours or more late?
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