December 28, 2011
— Gabriel Malor G'morning. To get you started:
Here's a primer on the Iowa caucus system. We're gonna be talking about it all next week; might as well brush up on the methods and madness of Iowa's archaic primary system.
BTW, I'm starting to hope for a Paul win in Iowa; it would almost certainly mean that the state would finally be stripped of its first-in-the-nation status. Yeah, I know. Somebody has to go first. I get that. Iowa doesn't seem like that great a great choice anymore. Let somebody else get pandered to every four years. It might do us good to send the bloated state political apparatus to the chopping block. You like to throw around the word "establishment?" That's an establishment, guys.
Several of the candidates did another pro-life forum yesterday. Gingrich said he'd write personhood legislation to exclude judicial review. Perry said he'd ignore an adverse Supreme Court decision on a personhood law. Santorum said if the court struck down personhood legislation, "you do what you do in every case when the court strikes it down: You fight." I'm not sure what that means. Bachmann didn't get to answer that question. Paul didn't go.
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Obama: My credits card is tapped out!
Crying Boner: Too bad, I just gave you $1.5T two months ago.
Obama: I need another $1.2T to tide me over a few more months.
Congress Dems: We want to increase spending and if you donÂ’t agree weÂ’ll drag our heals until the deadline and get Guido Press-commi to accuse you of shutting down the government and throwing grandma off the cliff.
Crying Boner: Lets make a deal.
Dems/Obama: HereÂ’s the deal, we win, you lose
Crying Boner “Sob”; ok, thank you sir can I have another.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:53 AM (YdQQY)
Thugs shoot Marine three times during robbery. He simply plugs the holes with his fingers. Be sure to follow the link to the full story.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:54 AM (YdQQY)
Let's hope this doesn't catch on here.
Great Britain to make minimum price for booze because “Valu-Rite” is a health risk.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:55 AM (YdQQY)
Heritage on Holder and Voter ID cards
I have to pick a bone with this statement though:
South Carolina made the grievous error of submitting the stateÂ’s new voter ID law to the Justice Department for review, rather than going straight to federal court where it would get an impartial hearing.
Evidently the author of this piece has forgotten the change in the law which came about in the first year of Democratic control which added the hate crime crap. It also made the DOJ the arbiter of the changes to voting per section V of the VRA. The AG gets to shoot it down and then the State has to challenge the shoot down in court. In short, SC had no choice.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:55 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: BornLib at December 28, 2011 02:56 AM (zpNwC)
Wait what? never mind.
Also, today's trip day to The City, so I will be leaving around 07:30. Back some time in the afternoon.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:58 AM (YdQQY)
Also for Gabe, a reminder, itÂ’s the last week of the month and time for monthly AOS we hate Romney poll.
Yeah, we're going to do it on Tuesday. So many folks are still on vacation. And it'll give us something to think about on caucus day.Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2011 02:58 AM (XVaFd)
How does one ignore a Supreme Court ruling?
More important: how does one make a principled objection to Democratic presidents simply ignoring Supreme Court rulings they don't like in the future?
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2011 03:00 AM (XVaFd)
Absolutely must-read article by John Hawkins of "Right Wing News", etc.
7 Reasons Why Mitt Romney's Electability Is Myth
Posted by: Random at December 28, 2011 03:06 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Paul at December 28, 2011 03:07 AM (DsHk0)
contingent at the DOJ, among them one of Obama's students at the U Chicago,
who stand in the way of any sensible laws.
Posted by: randolph Duke at December 28, 2011 03:09 AM (AH8RI)
Heh. One man's pander is another man's plague of locusts. Every fucking TV ad is politicians. Phone rings off the hook with calls from campaigns. You can't go out for breakfast without some asshole trying to shake your hand. Many working Iowans who aren't employed by the candidates or the process bitch about it nonstop.
(I got an unsolicited text in the middle of the night from some anti-Romney group; I haven't lived here since 2006.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 03:10 AM (UUfHw)
A week from today, somewhere between 80,000 to 150,000 Iowans are expected to head to their local precincts to participate in the caucus system that has governed the state's politics since the mid-1800s.
Even if turnout far exceeds projections, only a small percentage of IowaÂ’s 3 million residents will participate in the event that plays an outsized role in determining which Republican candidate will face off against President Obama in November -- and possibly lead more than 300 million Americans over the next four years.
How is that any different than from the primaries in other States? SC has a pretty good turnout. This is how 2008 went:
Republican Primary - 445,677
Democrat Primary - 532,468
Look at that, almost 10K more Dems voted in a State that has roughly 65% Republican voters.
But, total population 4, 012,000 so ~ 970,000 voted out of 4 million. In the actual election ~ 1,900,000 voted.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 03:11 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: B+rry Ob+mao at December 28, 2011 03:14 AM (evslS)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2011 07:00 AM (XVaFd)
You mean like Obama is doing now:
Ignoring law and flaunting it.
Ignoring the Constitution and flaunting it
Ignoring SC rulings and flaunting it.
If Democrats refuse to hold a Dem President accountable he can do anything he wants. Republicans should make it CLEAR that they will start doing the same thing. No more Nixons.
Of course they won't. Boner will cry instead.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 03:14 AM (YdQQY)
Ignoring law and flaunting it.
Ignoring the Constitution and flaunting it
Ignoring SC rulings and flaunting it.
Oh, I forgot the whole principle of two wrongs make it right. That's constitutional conservatism, bro; no doubt.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2011 03:16 AM (XVaFd)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 28, 2011 07:16 AM (XVaFd)
Remember the ace posting on the "tit for tat" theory? If one side continues to flaunt the law and the other doesn't it is an automatic loss.
If the Republicans do not grow some balls and start fighting back soon we will be unrecoverable.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 03:18 AM (YdQQY)
If? Soon?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 03:23 AM (UUfHw)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 07:23 AM (UUfHw)
Don't Worry!!!...I'M here to Save the Day!!!
Posted by: RON PAUL! at December 28, 2011 03:33 AM (6DDE+)
A foolish consistent adherence to principles is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
I fully recognize the dangers in "stooping to their level", but when faced with an implacable and amoral evil it just might be time to consider adopting a scorched earth policy. We do so at our own peril, but we are in peril now.
Posted by: Stuff Ralph Waldo Might Have Said at December 28, 2011 03:33 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 28, 2011 03:35 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 03:41 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 28, 2011 03:42 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 03:43 AM (UUfHw)
Oh, I forgot the whole principle of two wrongs make it right. That's constitutional conservatism, bro; no doubt.
That's what you lawyers call 'precedent,' Gabe.
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 03:44 AM (MMC8r)
Great Britain to make minimum price for booze because “Valu-Rite” is a health risk.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 06:55 AM (YdQQY)
Do-gooders are the worst kind of totalitarians. They will oppress you relentlessly, and do so with a clean conscience. I hate them all, whether they lean left or right.
The Brit government should be HAPPY that people drink too much. First, because English culture is so degraded is should probably just be allowed to self-destruct, and also because it cuts down on the costs of end-of-life care (as if they still provided any of that). In the US we should eliminate the smoking restrictions and encourage drinking for the same reason - reduced costs at end of life. Plus people can be a bit merrier during their time on this mortal coil.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 03:48 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 03:51 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:51 AM (zLeKL)
I'm pretty sure we HAVE already lost. The Left controls all the major institutions. They turn children against parents via the public ed system, and are winning their fight to destroy the culture. To a large extent the law has become just one more tool that they use to do us injury.
Since the state and system of justice are now illegitimate, I don't see how it's anything but folly to hold our side back. We're just fighting a delaying action - to keep things from totally falling apart any sooner than necessary. We don't have to worry about what will happen 100 years from now based on today's precedent - it will be over before then.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 03:58 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 03:59 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 28, 2011 04:01 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 04:02 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 04:04 AM (UUfHw)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:05 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: BornLib at December 28, 2011 04:08 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:09 AM (niZvt)
Turns out it was an honor killing. That's a lot of honor to defend there, popping 6 people. Now can we play a small game of 'guess that religion'? Two word clue -- moose limbs
You can find out more details at Atlas Shrugs, FreeRepublic, or JihadWatch. Search Bing under Santa killings honor to get several links.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 04:10 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 08:02 AM (0hdwM)
LOL - what an image!
I wonder if they're going to keep him in some kind of public mausoleum like was done with Lenin?
As whacky as all that "mourning" is over there, I'll give the Norks credit for one thing. At least people aren't trying to tear apart Kim's body for souvinirs. Nork totalitarianism is still slightly better that islam.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:12 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:12 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Didgeoridoo at December 28, 2011 04:13 AM (9dE3w)
Posted by: Case at December 28, 2011 04:14 AM (FD6YW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:14 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 08:10 AM (ENKCw)
And here I thought John Boy had gone off his lithium and killed his whole Walton family at the direction of the voices in his head.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 28, 2011 04:16 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2011 04:17 AM (/ZZCn)
Turns out it was an honor killing. That's a lot of honor to defend there, popping 6 people. Now can we play a small game of 'guess that religion'? Two word clue -- moose limbs
You can find out more details at Atlas Shrugs, FreeRepublic, or JihadWatch. Search Bing under Santa killings honor to get several links.
Absolutely fucking disgusting that the US government and media won't cover this story honestly. If they (including the government) aren't willing even to do that, then I don't think the War on Terror Radical Islam can be won.
In short, I think we'll lose it and Islam will win.
Posted by: Random at December 28, 2011 04:17 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:17 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:18 AM (Ho2rs)
And it'll give us something to think about on caucus day.
You mean other than making sure that the drip line of Val U Rite is clear?
Posted by: alexthechick at December 28, 2011 04:18 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:18 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 08:10 AM (ENKCw)
Yet more whitewash, courtesty of the MFM. After all, we mustn't have Joe Sixpack thinking that maybe the Muz are a problem.
Makes me sick. You can't tackle a problem if you refuse to name it, to describe it.
You can bet that if this had something to do with a fring cult claiming to be Christian that it would be the center feature of every report on the matter. Nobody in the MFM would come out to reassure us that Christianity is a religion of peace.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:18 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Trip at December 28, 2011 04:20 AM (xHenH)
Posted by: and party and bullshit at December 28, 2011 04:20 AM (ELPgk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:21 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:21 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:23 AM (niZvt)
In short, I think we'll lose it and Islam will win.
Posted by: Random at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (YiE0S)
I fear that you could be right. However, I take some hope from the fact that the Muz always get ahead of themselves. I think what could happen (but may not) is that the Muz will be too impatient to wait for a walk-over victory in 30-40 years. They'll get to feeling tough, make some rash moves, and turn enough people in the US against them, enough of the "silent majority" that there will be an actual (rather than MFM-generated fake) backlash. I'm not terribly optimistic, but I think it could happen.
Alas - one terrible thought is that the Right will refuse to fight them properly, and instead fuss about "all the good, friendly muslims" who must not be inconvenienced. We already see a lot of excuse making coming from our side for people who belong to what is, in reality, the world's biggest death cult. Head hunters in Papua New Guinea are more civilized and reasonable than these people. It's time to quit giving people a pass for refusing to learn their own supposed religion.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:24 AM (xUM1Q)
We may need most of Wednesday to finish scraping the shit off our shoes, but if AoS is still talking about the shit that used to be on our shoes on Thursday, I'll miss you guys a lot.
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at December 28, 2011 04:24 AM (a5ljo)
Posted by: real joe at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (w7Lv+)
Yeah, the daughter was dating a non muslim. Oh the horrors.
It's sorta like the Fort Hood shootings -- now classified as 'workplace violence' by the government. Really. I guess him shouting allahu ackbar was some form of breathing control as he shot and killed 14 fellow troops.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 04:25 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:25 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:27 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: BornLib at December 28, 2011 04:27 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 04:28 AM (0hdwM)
So there you have it: hedge-fund titans, i-bankers, congressional nabobs, committee chairmen, senators, swindlers, run-of-the-mill politicos, and a few outright thieves (these categories are not necessarily exclusive) all feeding at the same trough, and most of them betting that Mitt Romney won’t do anything more to stop it than Barack Obama did. If anything, the fact that Romney is having the least luck with the firm that knows him best speaks better of him than does the enthusiasm he apparently inspires in Goldman Sachs et al. Either way, the last thing Wall Street wants is for the Corzine scandal to launch a new round of frenzied outrage out there on the fruited plains where dwell people who don’t know an IPO from a CDS, and who might suspect that something here is not entirely on the up-and-up. They’re hoping that conservatives can be buffaloed with a bit of cheap free-market rhetoric into not noticing that something is excruciatingly amiss here. They are the repo men, headpiece filled with subprime-mortgage derivatives, and they are looking to repossess the Republican party they abandoned in 2008 (see “Losing Gordon Gekko,” National Review, March 9, 2009). Free-market, limited-government conservatives should be none too eager to welcome them back, nor should we let our natural sympathy with the profit motive blind us to the fact that a great many of them do not belong in the conservative movement, and that more than a few of them belong in prison.
— Kevin D. Williamson is a deputy managing editor of National Review.
Well worth reading the whole thing.
Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 28, 2011 04:28 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:28 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:29 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 08:23 AM (niZvt)
So, what do you actually do with that thing?
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:29 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:30 AM (zLeKL)
----
Random is a racist troll.
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:30 AM (zLeKL)
Not that I give a shit, but that doesn't sound like an answer to me.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 28, 2011 04:33 AM (i3+c5)
In short, I think we'll lose it and Islam will win.
Posted by: Random at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (YiE0S)
How does this square with your theory that the 'singularity' is going to annihilate mankind because those damn Asians and whites are too smart?
Never mind, I don't really want to know.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 28, 2011 04:33 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 07:10 AM (UUfHw)
To Iowans, you're still a playa!
Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 28, 2011 04:35 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:36 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:37 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:40 AM (Ho2rs)
So, it's like a laptop (but smaller), or a smart phone (but bigger)? Is that basically it?
Though, now that I think of it, if you can lay on your back and comment that does sound nice (though personally I like a sitting position so I can watch TV). Do you use voice recognition software, or just type one handed?
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:40 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:43 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:45 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:46 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 04:47 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:49 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:49 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:49 AM (Ho2rs)
Morning, all!
I hope everyone has remembered to equip themselves today with spray bottles of vinegar to dissipate psychotropic chemtrails. I never leave home without mine!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 04:50 AM (4df7R)
Killing your wife after she leaves you is an avoiding-shame thing.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 04:50 AM (UUfHw)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:51 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 28, 2011 04:53 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 04:53 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:51 AM (zLeKL)
An empty spray bottle is $0.99, but you have to supply your own vinegar. A pre-filled spray bottle (think Windex size) costs its weight in GOOOOOLD, GLORIOUS GOOOOLD!!!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 04:53 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 28, 2011 04:53 AM (UUfHw)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:37 AM (zLeKL)
I sometimes talk with Leftists, so yeah - I talk with racists and crazies of all stripes (some assert that I'm a nut job myself, of course). Though, in fairness, while I think his presentation could have been better, the only time I saw Random's comments re race, he was talking about differences that appear to be objectively quantifiable (as suggested in The Bell Curve) through statistics that apply to populations as a whole, rather to individual people. If contrary data can be found to refute those assertions and he refuses to heed that data, then I'd say the charge of racism is valid. If not, well, it may just be observing uncomfortable facts.
Of course, this is generally fruitless to ponder. Whatever difference may exist doesn't seem to be enough to matter. Culture is a far, far more important determiner of people's success in life, and we've seen how that can change over a relatively short time, for entire nations of people. That is why the destruction of culture in the US is so sickening. Repairing it is difficult, and takes a long time.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 04:54 AM (xUM1Q)
The first and most meaningful early Republican contest is South Carolina.
That's the one where actual registered Republican voters (and generally Conservative ones, at that) cast actual votes at actual polling places, the same way as they would do in a real election.
In South Carolina (as opposed to imaginary Iowa-caucus fantasy land) Ron Paul is a third-stringer, and I'd be SHOCKED if he managed to collect as much as 10% of the primary vote.
Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2011 04:54 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 04:55 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 04:57 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:55 AM (zLeKL)
I got a million of 'em my friend! Just send your silver and gold to:
RON PAUL! , PO Box RON PAUL!, RON PAUL, TX
Posted by: RON PAUL! at December 28, 2011 04:59 AM (6DDE+)
An empty spray bottle is $0.99, but you have to supply your own vinegar. A pre-filled spray bottle (think Windex size) costs its weight in GOOOOOLD, GLORIOUS GOOOOLD!!!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:53 AM (4df7R)
Hmm... It seems vinegar has gone up since last I checked. I should sell mine and retire. So will that clean up cocaine spills? Or erase the smell of Value Rite from my breath before I get to work?
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 05:00 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:55 AM (zLeKL)
Calculating at today's prices... adjusting for future inflation... carry the one... raise to the power of Cthulu... subtract Illuminati...
That'll buy you three empty bottles, or one of those little spritzy fans people take to the beach in summer, only this one is half-filled with balsamic vinegar instead of water.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:00 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Didgeoridoo at December 28, 2011 05:00 AM (yMnxH)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: BornLib at December 28, 2011 05:01 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:01 AM (8y9MW)
The question I have is why any women convert to islam. Of course, if the alternative is death, that might be enough of a reason.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 28, 2011 05:02 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 05:02 AM (zLeKL)
The first and most meaningful early Republican contest is South Carolina.
That's the one where actual registered Republican voters (and generally Conservative ones, at that) cast actual votes at actual polling places, the same way as they would do in a real election.
In South Carolina (as opposed to imaginary Iowa-caucus fantasy land) Ron Paul is a third-stringer, and I'd be SHOCKED if he managed to collect as much as 10% of the primary vote.
Technically, the SC primary is open so it's possible (likely?) that non-Republican/conservative voters will participate, but I doubt that it will skew things that much. Only a frothing-at-the-mouth diehard leftist would take the time out of his day to try to interfere with the primary and there just aren't that many of them here. On the whole Ron Paul just doesn't play very well in SC.
Not that it means anything, but I have seen lots of Perry and Newt signs recently. Have only seen a few Ron Paul bumper stickers (no signs) and haven't seen a single Romney sign anywhere, and my area is one of the reddest in the state.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 28, 2011 05:03 AM (JxMoP)
Hmm... It seems vinegar has gone up since last I checked. I should sell mine and retire. So will that clean up cocaine spills? Or erase the smell of Value Rite from my breath before I get to work?
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 09:00 AM (xUM1Q)
Sadly, no. Vinegar is only effective for mind controlling chemtrail dispersion. To remove the smell of Valu-Rite from your breath, we at Ron Paul for America recommend sucking on a South African kruegerrand for twenty minutes while reciting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion backwards in the ancient dialect of the Aztecs.
And there really isn't anything we've found to clean up cocaine spills. Try snorting a little harder, that might work.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:03 AM (4df7R)
You may be right, this was one seriously mixed up POS. I am just sick of the MSM/government whitewash of any bad act committed by a moozie, and their relentless ass-kissing of same.
Posted by: real joe at December 28, 2011 05:03 AM (w7Lv+)
I hope everyone has remembered to equip themselves today with spray bottles of vinegar to dissipate psychotropic chemtrails. I never leave home without mine!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:50 AM (4df7R)
Replace the washer fluid in cars with a vinegar solution. Voilà ! Clean windows AND evil chemtrails put to flight!
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:04 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:06 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 28, 2011 05:06 AM (nOFwj)
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:06 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 05:07 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Truth Serum at December 28, 2011 05:07 AM (ucERL)
i left some laundry in the washer too long so i'm rewashing with vinegar right now.....will this help in the chemtrail disarming or do i need to get a spray bottle?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 28, 2011 08:53 AM (Ho2rs)
This is an excellent idea, and one that others should adopt. The fumes emitted from your vinegar-saturated clothing will not only help to dissipate chemtrails, but will actually work to prevent chemtrails from forming at all. You will in essence be creating a protective cocoon around yourself which the mind controlling chemicals of the government-sanctioned chemtrails are powerless to puncture.
Mind you, this only works if you wash your clothes in pure vinegar. No dilution with water.
Of course it's always recommended that you keep a spray bottle of vinegar close at hand, in case it rains and your protective corona of vinegar is washed away.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 05:07 AM (C3KwS)
mike, I'll concede this -- it is possible that honor killing was not the driving force. That is my interpretation from reading more of the facts. However, the MFM chose to not report any of those facts that might lead to such an interpretation. Bias via omission.
I gave search methods to acquire more factual information and allow you (or anyone else reading here) to form your own opinion on this incident.
The JihadWatch article I read says that 91% of honor killings worldwide involve the muslim faith. Do I know that to be true? No. But I might use a statistic like that to help form my opinion.
Yes, I expressed an opinion. The sole motivating force of Santa daddy may not have been 'honor', or his religion, or even the full moon. Everyone, please draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 05:09 AM (ENKCw)
A reporter some years ago spent time with Sandusky to do a story about his charity. The reporter stated that, while he admired the charity and it's goals, he found Sandusky to be "unlikeable".
Sandusky, you're a creep. Everyone can see you're a creep. Oh, and by the way, you have the WORST lawyer in the history of American jurisprudence.
Posted by: Truth Serum at December 28, 2011 09:07 AM (ucERL)
What on earth could he possibly hope to accomplish with a media blitz? If I were him I'd be trying like hell to keep my name and face OUT of the media, hoping people would forget about me. I'd say he ranks right up there with Casey Anthony when it comes to 2011's Most Hated People.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:10 AM (4df7R)
It used to be fun, too. We used to caucus in neighboring homes, BYOB, and made a fun night of it. Now, with all the media attention, precincts have been limited to public venues and combined with many other precincts. No booze allowed. They've pretty much ruined it.
As an Iowan, I can understand the resentment at our chance to go first. As far as I am concerned, you can have it. I have been getting no less than 16 calls per day (except on Christmas Eve and Christmas thank God) from these wretched campaigns begging for money and attention. These assholes roll in, disrupt every small town for a period of hours doing uncomfortable handshakes, and then roll out. Once the caucus is over, we're "flyover country" like the rest of the middle part of America once again until it is time to pander once more. Fuck em.
Posted by: CausticConservative at December 28, 2011 05:10 AM (gT3jF)
Not formic acid, which is named after ants. You know who is overrunning the world like rabid fire ants don't you? Yeah, you do!
Ants don't carry rabies, you claim? Well, prove that they don't!
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:11 AM (Og1Kk)
Of course it's always recommended that you keep a spray bottle of vinegar close at hand, in case it rains and your protective corona of vinegar is washed away.
Wouldn't the rain just wash the chemtrails into the water supply? If so, then drinking or bathing would just introduce them into your system and you're back to square one.
Probably need to drink pure vinegar and bathe in it as well. One can never be too careful when dealing with the Tri-Lateral Commission.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 28, 2011 05:11 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 05:11 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 09:07 AM (4df7R)
I sense your vinegar aura... the force is strong in you.
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:13 AM (Og1Kk)
Apologies for an oddly broken up link, commenting from my blackberry. Nasa just released an image of the "wreath nebula". One of the closest fields of star formation in the galaxy.
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 09:07 AM (C3KwS)
Wow. That's gorgeous! And I can completely understand the "wreath" terminology.
Here's the link for those who feel the need to click rather than copy/paste.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 05:15 AM (6gk77)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (niZvt)
I'm guessing it's the latter because El JEFe's profound ignorance about everything is my default reaction to any issue with that cocksucking simpleton.
And fuck Iowa; that can't be said enough times about the state that produced Tom Harkin.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 28, 2011 05:15 AM (9AVhU)
Hi there!
Posted by: Mike Huckabee, 2008 at December 28, 2011 05:15 AM (s7mIC)
Okay, I expect there was an unwritten "it is a believable statistic and therefore," between the "But" and the "I."
Otherwise this comment reads like this:
"This statistic could be 100% false, and I don't care. I'll use it anyway."
As for this specific instance, I think there's too much going on here to say that this was an honor killing only. There might be some of that involved, but based on what we currently know, it seems more likely that the major motivating factor was suicidal depression.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:16 AM (8y9MW)
Probably need to drink pure vinegar and bathe in it as well. One can never be too careful when dealing with the Tri-Lateral Commission.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 28, 2011 09:11 AM (JxMoP)
This is absolutely correct. But make sure that you only bathe in a porcelain tub lined with a gold and silver alloy! That is VITAL.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Ted Kenndy's Flame Encased Head at December 28, 2011 05:17 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 05:18 AM (C3KwS)
"my establishment hack did not win, I'm taking my ball and going home."
can I get you a tissue? what a retard.
Posted by: Vergeltung at December 28, 2011 05:18 AM (jttPx)
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:18 AM (Og1Kk)
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:19 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 09:06 AM (niZvt)
CoolCzech, I am wondering, what is the ultimate "point" of this line of research? What is the hypothesis that is to be proven? That there are differences between intelligence among members of different races? Even if it is true - so what? Aren't we conservatives about focusing on the individual rather than the collective?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 05:20 AM (s7mIC)
But their hero Obama could not be bothered to attend Havel's state funeral in Prague. Because, you know, Putin might not like it, I guess. Or, perhaps The Almost God didn't know who Havel was?
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (niZvt)
I'm with Captain Hate on this one. the SCOAMFOTUS probably has no frigging clue who Vaclav Havel was, what he contributed to the world, or why he deserves our respect and gratitude.
And of course, Havel was the antithesis of everything Obama stands for and desires for the world. Going to his funeral would be like shitting in a urinal for Obama: disgusting, unappealing, all too revealing, with a high potential of having to talk to people with whom you'd rather not mingle.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:21 AM (4df7R)
Well a "smidgen" won't do anything really. It will just taste a little sour.
Now, half a bottle of pure acetic acid? Yeah, you'll feel THAT going down
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 05:21 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 05:21 AM (zLeKL)
Hey, if you don't vote the "right" way we're gonna take away your first status Iowa.
You guys are funny, bunch of tools, but funny.
Posted by: flyonthewall at December 28, 2011 05:22 AM (aZ7lL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:23 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Random, Scientist of Sciences at December 28, 2011 05:26 AM (6gk77)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:29 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 09:06 AM (niZvt)
I just wanted to make clear that I think such things should be debunked by pointing out contrary facts. I bristle when people immediately through out "racist!" rather than quote the facts or at least reasonable principles that stand in where facts are unknown. That's a tactic of the Left to shut down discussion on a wide range of topics. The Bell Curve is merely a collection of descriptive data - one must know how it was collected and understand the virtues or flaws of the method to draw any conclusions. Personally I don't think they were able to control for culture - so what that really suggests to me is that (if the sampling method was valid) there is something very different from biological determinism at work.
Of course, if somebody spouts prejudiced nonsense with no attempt to provide some kind of objective support for his view, then that makes the racism call pretty easy and justifiable.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 05:30 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: BornLib at December 28, 2011 05:30 AM (zpNwC)
No, no I'm not having salt and vinegar chips. But they are yummy, aren't they?
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2011 05:31 AM (XdlcF)
Apropos of nothing, here's a Youtube link to video of Kim Jong Il's funeral procession. I like that the cherry ride they used to carry his casket appears to be 1985 Cadillac Fleetwood (but I don't know jack about cars, so it's probably something else).
Nothing but the best for Dear Leader.
(h/t Blazing Cat Fur)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 05:32 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 09:32 AM (Og1Kk)
LMAO!
That needs a slogan to make it a PROPER badge, though.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 05:34 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 05:36 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:37 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: You say Luap Nor, I say nut job at December 28, 2011 09:29 AM (Og1Kk)
Whole lotta uses for vinegar, but I don't see anything there about cleansing chemtrails. No worries though, they have a "submit a tip" link. I sent mine in.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 28, 2011 05:37 AM (hGb5f)
Whole lotta uses for vinegar, but I don't see anything there about cleansing chemtrails. No worries though, they have a "submit a tip" link. I sent mine in.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 28, 2011 09:37 AM (hGb5f)
You're a Great American!
Posted by: Earnest Sean Hannity, but please call me, "Sean" at December 28, 2011 05:40 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 05:41 AM (5UcDQ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:42 AM (niZvt)
Kind of Ironic, don'tcha' think?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 05:42 AM (9XykO)
Would it be wrong to say it looks more like an Elder Sign to me?
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 05:43 AM (GBXon)
If Hedy Lamarr isn't a datapoint, I'll be denouncing your theory on general principles.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 05:44 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:44 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 05:45 AM (0hdwM)
Ah, yes, Romney leading from behind, as usual.
Actually, I understand that this is politically volatile subject (even if it boggles my mind that people could think very differently from how I do on it), but why is it so hard for Republicans to say, "Hey, we believe that baby is alive- we don't kill people for things their parents did or because they're inconvenient."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 28, 2011 05:47 AM (FKQng)
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 05:47 AM (6DDE+)
Didn't they camp out at (and crap on) St. Paul's?
Good morning, morons! I discovered the last gift from my husband at 1 a.m. -- he gave me his cold. grumble, grumble
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 05:47 AM (5H6zj)
So, surgically reducing the size of a woman's breasts is equivalent to undergoing a lobotomy?
Posted by: Earnest Sean Hannity, but please call me, at December 28, 2011 05:47 AM (Og1Kk)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 05:49 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at December 28, 2011 05:50 AM (esKUo)
Olive Garden restaurants to open early - drink breakfast at the salad bar.
Posted by: DaveA at December 28, 2011 05:51 AM (aHWbA)
Posted by: CAC at December 28, 2011 05:51 AM (7TwHV)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:51 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 05:53 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 09:53 AM (niZvt)
I'm volunteering for the measuring portion of the research...
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 05:54 AM (6DDE+)
The hell with Iowa. I woke up in the middle of the night to see Kim II's coffin tied to the roof of a 1960 Lincoln, speeding down a highway.
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 08:02 AM (0hdwM)
Just had to go there...
Posted by: Earnest Sean Hannity, but please call me... anyone! at December 28, 2011 05:54 AM (Og1Kk)
See... that bothers me. I honestly do not understand (though obviously I realize this is the rule, not the exception) how one can hold beliefs without analyzing them. If you don't analyze it, how can you be sure it's True? If you don't think through the philosophical foundations of your beliefs, how do you even have a moral compass, let alone calibrate it?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 05:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 05:55 AM (rX1N2)
Bollocks. More a question of the dubious quality of the announced candidates, a subject we've hammered away at ad nauseum already. One doomed candidate vs. several doomed candidates, well, either way the net result would be a wash.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 05:56 AM (GBXon)
$2,000 for that? I'm sure I can buy her a burka for a lot less and it's the only thing she might look good in
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 28, 2011 05:56 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 09:46 AM (8y9MW)
Prolly cuz so many people don't want to hear/believe that I guess.
What I want to know is why Republicans find it so hard to say that abortion should be a State matter. That right there is a pretty darn defensible position, I'd say, that need not terrify the squishy middle-of-the-road voter into thinking there's a theocracy coming. Letting the states have their own say in terms of what controls are needed would defuse the issue, and our side would gain a LOT of ground.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 05:56 AM (xUM1Q)
Most folks' 'moral compass' these days is based solely on external approval. More a 'Groupthink Positioning System', really.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 05:57 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Willard Mitt Cartman at December 28, 2011 05:58 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 05:58 AM (BsXKJ)
What I want to know is why Republicans find it so hard to say that abortion should be a State matter.
I hate to say this, but it may be that there are many Republicans who do not really believe in that whole pesky states rights thing.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 28, 2011 05:59 AM (VtjlW)
Now, half a bottle of pure acetic acid? Yeah, you'll feel THAT going down
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 09:21 AM (s7mIC)
I'm hard-core. No vinegar in my spray bottle, it's straight photographic stop bath for me.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 28, 2011 05:59 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 05:59 AM (0hdwM)
This needs a new soundtrack. I'm sure the toobz are working on it right now.
Posted by: DaveA at December 28, 2011 06:00 AM (aHWbA)
I hate to say this, but it may be that there are many Republicans who do not really believe in that whole pesky states rights thing.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 28, 2011 09:59 AM (VtjlW)
Fair point. But if in theory the R party does believe that limits on abortion are good, and the SCOTUS decision is RvW was bad, then why not go with the position that gains the most ground and scares the fewest folk? Conversely, if the party thinks that abortion is a non-issue, then why allow it to be an issue at all?
I guess I just don't get it.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 06:01 AM (xUM1Q)
If your 'mental health' requires the death of an innocent, your problem may not be the pregnancy. Counseling and support, yes, but there are many of us unwilling to cross that particular line.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:02 AM (GBXon)
"...how one can hold beliefs without analyzing them. If you don't analyze it, how can you be sure it's True? If you don't think through the philosophical foundations of your beliefs, how do you even have a moral compass, let alone calibrate it?"
If you're a liberal, you just ignore the inconvenient/uncomfortable/illogical/irrational conclusions you might arrive at through anylization. After they've done this long enough, they just stop analyzing anything in depth and focus on obfuscation.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 06:03 AM (rX1N2)
That is correct. If the woman is incapable of rearing the child, then the child can be made a ward of the state and or adopted. Why is it so hard to understand that that baby didn't do anything deserving capital punishment?
I don't even know if Jeffery Dahmer had kids, but if he did- we wouldn't execute them for his crimes, would we?
Life is messy, and sometimes people get hurt along the way. We choose the option which will do the least damage- and death is way more damaging than harm to your "mental health."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 09:58 AM (BsXKJ)
In principle it's a choice between assured death for one person, and a remote possibility of emotional distress for another person, neither of whom have done wrong.
Personally, I'd be willing to live with those two exceptions in terms of finding a viable political solution that gets us fewer abortions. But morally I find such exceptions objectionable.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 06:04 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:04 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 28, 2011 06:06 AM (FKQng)
I still don't get the 'or incest' exception that people always talk about. If it's consentual incest between adults, no, of course not (considering that one generation of inbreeding would likely not produce any drastic effects). But if it's non-consentual, or statutory rape, it's rape, so why the distinction?
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 06:07 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 06:07 AM (BsXKJ)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:07 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 06:08 AM (niZvt)
Why? A child of rape is still a child. The father is the criminal here, not the child. What did that baby do to deserve the death penalty. It's the same thing- with the exception that theoretical kids of Dahmer would have already survived Roe v Wade, and the baby about to be aborted hasn't.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:09 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:09 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 06:10 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:11 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 10:02 AM (GBXon)
This is where I part ways with the movement. This woman isn't trying to erase a bad choice. She endured a horrifying, non-consensual, emotionally, psychologically and possibly physically scarring act. Sometimes counseling and support just isn't going to cut it.
Kudos to her if she wants to keep it, but I can't blame her if she can't handle it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 06:12 AM (rX1N2)
Most people assume statutory rape when they hear 'incest'.
Then isn't it just 'rape?'
It always seems to me to be a way to expand the number of exceptional circumstances without them really differing from each other.
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 06:12 AM (MMC8r)
Uhhh...no, most people generally assume a 40 year old sleaze and a 13 year old girl. At least in most places, anyway.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:12 AM (GBXon)
I have a cool time machine they could use. I haven't tested it, yet, but it looks an awful lot like a really big sword. They could be the first test subjects.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:13 AM (zLeKL)
Then give the child up for adoption. I repeat myself: If your 'healing process' requires killing an innocent, you have worse problems than you think.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:13 AM (GBXon)
Too late to get in on SC and I'll no longer be a resident of AL come March.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:14 AM (KC2BE)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 10:07 AM (MMC8r)
It provides the user of said "argument" with an additional buzzword with which to attempt to sound morally superior. Attempting to silence opposition with moral superiority is the whole point of the "rape or incest argument".
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 06:15 AM (OtQXp)
Okay... so... adoption? Why is this not an option?
And, yes, I do blame her if she "can't handle it" to the extent that she decides part of her coping mechanism is to murder a child.
You do realize that the "mental health argument" you're presenting here is almost verbatim the kind of defense women who kill their kids because of "post partum depression" use, right? Granted the specific circumstances are different, the pathology argument (mental trauma, yadda yadda) is virtually identical.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:16 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:16 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 06:16 AM (BsXKJ)
Well said.
Here's a heart breaking story. Not every teen these days is self-absorbed.
http://tinyurl.com/cwlwtoz
Posted by: Retread at December 28, 2011 06:17 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 10:13 AM (zLeKL)
Of course.
Now put down that cigarette, the sugary soda, and the trans-fat fried food. They are bad for you!
Posted by: The nanny state at December 28, 2011 06:18 AM (nEUpB)
Fixed.
Dude, you're sick. You realize that. Since when is someone's "mental health" more important than a life?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:18 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at December 28, 2011 06:18 AM (S3rrR)
They adore children and cannot have any. They did foster care for awhile and found it too emotionally draining if situations changed.
They cannot afford to adopt.
All of this taught me every unborn child is precious.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:18 AM (KC2BE)
Good Morning Morons. Today is December 28, 2011. On this day in 1065 Westminster Abbey was consecrated. So, yeah, its been around for a while. IÂ’m surprised the OWS crowd didnÂ’t try to camp out there and shit in it.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 06:52 AM (YdQQY)
That delusional fuck Rowan Williams is around for coronation ceremonies so it's not like they don't have representation fouling up the place.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 28, 2011 06:19 AM (9AVhU)
Will it be cheaper, now, to repair levee without pulling out trees and filling in places, or is the cost of repair/rebuild now going to be more Obama dollars? Thanks. Happy New Year in advance...we welcome the New Year in our family.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 28, 2011 06:19 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 06:20 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: LeStiqsue at December 28, 2011 06:20 AM (ARwqL)
Fixed to reflect my very non-strawman actual argument. Do try to keep up.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:21 AM (GBXon)
Then give the child up for adoption. I repeat myself: If your 'healing process' requires killing an innocent, you have worse problems than you think.
She may not be able to bear the fact that she has to carry it in the first place. There isn't some sort of simple healing process that's just going to make it all better. What the issue is, is if the mother is going to endure even greater harm through being forced to carry this child totally against her will if she lacks it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 06:21 AM (rX1N2)
Hmm, maybe we should open this door a bit more. All sorts of applications to rush hour traffic.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:22 AM (KC2BE)
So the F what? Why are peoples feeeeeelings more important than a Life?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:22 AM (8y9MW)
Followed swiftly by these guys to clean up the rest.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 06:22 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 06:24 AM (R62Yx)
So, because the woman might not "be able to handle it," we end a human life?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 06:26 AM (R62Yx)
Again, we punish the child why? Yes, it's awful for the woman, not all of which can recover equally well--but you are still demanding the death of an innocent as part of your 'healing process' when this is the argument. That's a circle I can't square, period.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:27 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 06:27 AM (R62Yx)
What exactly are the percentages of pregnancies as a result of incest?
I'll wager it can be more easily expressed as a mere double-digit number than as a percentage of all pregnancies.
Further: With the widespread availability of Plan B, saying we need to keep abortion legal in the case of rape is a emotional blackmail grenade of zero relevance; there is no need to allow the Planned Parenthood stye abortion to remain legal when we can prevent or arrest the pregnancy on day one.
Posted by: Jimmuy at December 28, 2011 06:27 AM (hh/BN)
I imagine that it is the nine months of constant reminders of the violation of rape that was responsible for the pregnancy. We can be pro-life without mocking the real dilemma of this situation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 06:27 AM (nEUpB)
Even a planned pregnancy carries health risks and financial burdens. Unless you're willing to have the state cover all medical costs and reimburse the woman in question, telling a rape victim that she must carry a child to term is no different than plucking some random man off the street and declaring him the father and extracting child support payments, or demanding random kidney donations.
Furthermore, a woman who wants to end a pregnancy has plenty of ways to do so even if abortion clinics were outlawed. Most of them are dangerous to the mother. When we're discussing a woman who gets pregnant by her own careless behavior, then I don't have any sympathy for her if she chooses to take her own life in her hands. A woman who is impregnated against her will shouldn't be lumped in the same category. Any abortions are likely to be very early in the pregnancy, since she'll be receiving medical care due to the attack.
Posted by: Alex at December 28, 2011 06:27 AM (doww8)
Or such a personality might enjoy forcing her into an abortion just as much.
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 06:28 AM (MMC8r)
It's cool that they strapped him onto the roof instead of letting him ride inside. Just like Romney's dog.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 28, 2011 06:28 AM (yQwq5)
And I'm OK with "plan B". Many anti-abortion folks aren't but it's really not all that different from what goes on with regular birth control pills.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:29 AM (KC2BE)
"You do realize that the "mental health argument" you're presenting here is almost verbatim the kind of defense women who kill their kids because of "post partum depression" use, right? Granted the specific circumstances are different, the pathology argument (mental trauma, yadda yadda) is virtually identical."
It's the specific circumstances that clearly delineate the argument. I can draw a similar parallel between the argument 'for the death penalty but against abortion' when I disregard the certain rather crucial circumstances.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 06:29 AM (rX1N2)
Should be able to extract that from the estate of the rapist IMO. Make them pay for the burden they create.
It's all very tough to think about. I'm glad I don't have to set these sorts of policies.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:31 AM (KC2BE)
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This argument is based on the idea that a fetus is not an individual human being. You can try and make that argument, and I wish you luck. You're going to need it. Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:32 AM (zLeKL)
If you seriously think that's what we're doing, then we have a whole new host of questions that need asking. Nobody's dismissing the effect on the woman, we just don't accept the conclusion the 'rape exception' requires. If you can't see that, I'm sorry, but that says less about those of us on this end of the argument, frankly.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:32 AM (GBXon)
I imagine that it is the nine months of constant reminders of the violation of rape that was responsible for the pregnancy. We can be pro-life without mocking the real dilemma of this situation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 10:27 AM (nEUpB)
How many children have you carried?
Here is the problem: It's not a thing or a reminder, it's a person, a human being. The mother would, in the end (her whole life) be better off having delivered the child and put it up for adoption, than killing it. Society now tells her to murder it and she'll feel better. She won't. Murdering her baby will haunt her forever.
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 06:32 AM (R62Yx)
Ok, I gotta go to work, so I'll go ahead and say 253 and 254 echo my own thoughts and leave it at that.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 28, 2011 06:33 AM (rX1N2)
BOO FUCKING HOO.
Bad things happen to people. We have to bear them. Such is life. The answer isn't to go killing people as a way to "deal".
Here is a thought experiment for you. Suppose a woman is raped and gets pregnant, and Dr. Scientist comes up to her and says "I have this new time machine, that will enable you to go back in time from before the rape, and allow you to avoid the situation entirely. The only catch is, you have to first kill a new baby in order to pour its blood into the machine so that it will operate." Would you do it? Of course not. And so what is the difference between this and an abortion so as to "deal" with a rape?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 06:33 AM (s7mIC)
I would allow the victim the abortion, and assign whatever anti-abortion penalty is enacted to the rapist.
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 10:20 AM (niZvt)
My stance is this: kill the rapist, not the baby.
The death penalty should be a sentence option for all rapists with non-consensual victims; in other words, not for a 20 year old woman who has sex with her fifteen year old "boyfriend," even though that's creepy as hell; and vice versa an older male and younger female engaged in consensual relations. There are already laws and penalties on the books for those types of statutory crimes.
But the rest of them? Kill them. Put them down. "Destroy them" like you would a vicious dog. Rapists are among the most foul, inhuman animals to ever draw breath. The victim(s) should be given the opportunity to choose the style of execution (what's wrong with a good old fashioned hanging?), and also have the opportunity to pull the lever him- or herself to send the bastard/bitch to Hell.
Of course, I'm for the death penalty being an option in ALL felony cases. Just because the death penalty is an option for an armed robbery conviction doesn't mean it has to be SOUGHT. But tell me it wouldn't be a deterrent to your average crook who gets his or her jollies knocking over convenience stores.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 06:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:33 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 10:24 AM (8y9MW)
Our society is very comfortable with ending human life. The issue here is the reason for that death.
It is unconscionable that the unspeakable crime of rape can be followed legally by the equally unconscionable killing of an unborn innocent.
But...these are largely academic questions, because as has been pointed out above, the incidence of pregnancy as a consequence of rape is vanishingly small. My guess is that every post-rape medical exam is followed quickly by a chat with a physician about the various morning-after options.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 06:34 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 10:27 AM (R62Yx)
Planned Parenthood of course. The truth would be bad for business.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 06:34 AM (OtQXp)
I'm not. The criminal is.
Suppose some arsonist douchebag burns down my house. I now have no house. Who is "forcing" me to be homeless now?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 06:35 AM (s7mIC)
Crying Boner: Too bad, I just gave you $1.5T two months ago.
Obama: I need another $1.2T to tide me over a few more months.
[...]
They gave him
$900B. The $1.2T he is asking for now will supposedly be offset by the
sequester starting in 2013. Congress can vote to disapprove of this
increase if they so choose but even if the Republicans did so they would
have to be joined by Democrats to override Obama's veto.
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 06:35 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 06:36 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:36 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 10:16 AM (BsXKJ)
Except that your little story has never happened in the history of ever. That imagined imprisoned rape victim? She will be killed when he is done, she will never see sunlight again. That is how that story always ends.
Sorry, anyone who says we need to keep abortion legal in case of rape is lying: What they are really saying is, "we need to keep abortion legal in any and all circumstances because if we give up one inch, the Bible-thumping, mouth-breathers are going to rape women and force them to bear their children."
Posted by: Jimmuy at December 28, 2011 06:37 AM (hh/BN)
Suppose some arsonist burns down my house. I then decide to go camp out in my neighbor's yard, because I'm now homeless. The neighbors call the cops and evict me from his property.
Why are you forcing me to be homeless?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 06:37 AM (s7mIC)
So what? You're still killing a baby. Why is her convenience more important than someone's life?
We're not talking about some random person. We're not even talking about making her "keep" the child- just bring it to term. We have foster homes and there are lots of people who adopt (a process I believe should be much easier and less costly than it is- but that's a different subject). You still haven't explained why an innocent life should be ended, here.
I can draw a similar parallel between the argument 'for the death penalty but against abortion' when I disregard the certain rather crucial circumstances.
No, you can't. The only difference between my example and abortion for "mental health" reasons is whether or not the child has managed to survive a 1970's Supreme Court decision. The difference between abortion and the death penalty is that whoever we're executing chose to do whatever he did.
My whole point is that there is no philosophical difference between a woman who kills her kids because of post partum depression (unless we're talking about full-on delusions, but even then I'm skeptical) and a woman who aborts her child because of her "mental health." There is, however, a huge philosophical difference between condoning (or at least allowing) the death of an innocent and executing a criminal.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:37 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Chris at December 28, 2011 06:38 AM (XGZYX)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:38 AM (zLeKL)
Kim's Funeral car is either a '75, '76, or '77 Lincoln Continental, most likely modified by a third party before delivery, (the chrome headlight covers aren't a stock item.)
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 06:38 AM (9XykO)
That very attitude is why I no longer listen to Boortz. It got to where he ranted on it EVERY show.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:38 AM (KC2BE)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 06:39 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 10:36 AM (MMC8r)
Someone totally needs to set that video to "Yakety Sax."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 06:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:40 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:40 AM (0hdwM)
Remember, thanks to the Congressional Republicans, he gets to raise the debt limit by fiat. It will require a veto-override style vote to stop him. Raise your hand if you believe this will even come up for a vote in the Senate?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:40 AM (8y9MW)
Women statistically score lower on standardized tests, their brains are measurably smaller on average and the differences in how men and women think are observable and measurable.
Am I a sexist, Joffen?
Posted by: The 300 (dead Mexicans) at December 28, 2011 06:42 AM (FmSSd)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:42 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:43 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 06:43 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:44 AM (zLeKL)
If an arsonist burns down my house, and so therefore I decide to take over my neighbor's house so as not to be homeless, my neighbor doesn't have a right to evict me, because otherwise he would be "forcing me to be homeless".
Is that right?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 28, 2011 06:45 AM (s7mIC)
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You can have all the abortions you want.. You can have all the abortion pills you want.
We just don't want the feral gov't to encourage, support, or pay for it.
We don't want that blood on our hands.
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 06:45 AM (9XykO)
Yes. And? Anything you make illegal will have a black market. So what?
That same argument says make selling stolen goods legal. It says make kidnapping legal.
Well, YES, we as a society DO end human life, even innocent life, when we think there is a good enough reason - like a justified war, that ALWAYS has "collatoral damage," for instance.
Not on purpose we don't, not if there's another viable option. Collateral damage in war may, indeed, kill innocents- that's war. But if you think they were specifically targeted you're an idiot.
Even Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets where civilians happened to be. We weren't bombing rural Thuringian villages in WWII, just because there were civilians there.
So, no: you do have to give me a good reason why this particular innocent life needs to be taken. Or give me an example other than accidental casualties in war where we knowingly kill an innocent when we have another viable option.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:47 AM (8y9MW)
Then at least for me, there is literally no further grounds for discussion, as we clearly simply don't occupy the same space on the matter. To say further would just devolve into ad hominem attacks, or something resembling them, so I'll just cease, saddened.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:47 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 10:33 AM (zLeKL)
He looked bad even on radio. And he's a flipping idiot who does nothing but spout cliched Democrat talking points.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 28, 2011 06:47 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at December 28, 2011 06:48 AM (zxrQh)
This guilt is often compounded when they finally do have children and see what they aborted. I know I didn't have much of an opinion either way on abortion until my first child was born. We had discussed aborting her and it was the best decision I ever made to not do that.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2011 06:48 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 10:33 AM (zLeKL)
You poor soul. Why are you forcing yourself to watch Alan Colmes in high definition? Are you trying to go blind? turn it off!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 06:49 AM (4df7R)
http://tinyurl.com/7xe59en
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 06:49 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:50 AM (0hdwM)
The Department of Homeland Security makes fake Twitter and Facebook profiles for the specific purpose of scanning the networks for 'sensitive' words - and tracking people who use them.
Simply using a word or phrase from the DHS's 'watch' list could mean that spies from the government read your posts, investigate your account, and attempt to identify you from it, acccording to an online privacy group.
The words which attract attention range from ones seemingly related to diseases or bioweapons such as 'human to animal' and 'outbreak' to other, more obscure words such as 'drill' and 'strain'.
From The Daily Mail. Now I'm on the damn list just for posting this. (Like I wasn't already.)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 06:50 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 28, 2011 06:51 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 10:38 AM
Looks like a stletch rimo conversion to me. Extra length spliced in between front and rear doors.
The Mercedes-Benzes in the procession are old, too.
Gotta say one thing for commies:they have cool rides! I'd love to have a ZIS or Hong Qui limo and, if I had enough dough, a couple of those Russian Jeeps for my flunkies.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 28, 2011 06:51 AM (tkd/a)
Remember, thanks to the Congressional Republicans, he gets to raise the debt limit by fiat. It will require a veto-override style vote to stop him. Raise your hand if you believe this will even come up for a vote in the Senate?
Which is what I said.
McConnell, the "genius" behind the disapproval votes, might ask for one to make a point, but the chances of Reid agreeing are slim.
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 06:51 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2011 10:50 AM (ENKCw)
I think we're ALL there already!
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 06:51 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:52 AM (zLeKL)
Actually, I think it's both.
Even though it suppresses ovulation the pill also makes implantation unlikely.
Those on the pill pregnancies are very much against the odds.
Posted by: Scott J at December 28, 2011 06:52 AM (KC2BE)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 10:51 AM (I2LwF)
Thanks, TN - proly missed that comparo on a thread here at some point in time!...
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 06:52 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 06:52 AM (I2LwF)
Any bets that they scan for hash-tags like "#SCOAMF?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 06:53 AM (8y9MW)
Your argument still fails. In the warfare example, the target is still the enemy, not the civilians. For it to carry over, the unborn child would have to die as a result of actions targeting the rapist, something that could only happen in extreme and very, very particular circumstances...and in both cases, the expectation is still to mitigate risk to innocent bystanders.
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:54 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:54 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:55 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 28, 2011 06:55 AM (mfbqu)
Says volumes about that 'majority', doesn't it?
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 06:56 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 10:52 AM (I2LwF)
Heh, any unix nerds out there remember the emacs "spook" utility? It would put a random block of "sensitive" words at the end of your email to set off any government monitoring systems. The idea was that if everybody used it the monitors would be overwhelmed.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 06:56 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 06:58 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: AllenG
(Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011
10:53 AM (8y9MW)
WE'RE #1!!!
Posted by: AoSHQ at December 28, 2011 06:58 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 10:55 AM (0hdwM)
Which is EXACTLY what they are intended to do- no more, no less.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 06:58 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 10:58 AM (niZvt)
Ooooooooohohhhhhhh!!!
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at December 28, 2011 06:59 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: mike at December 28, 2011 06:59 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 06:59 AM (zLeKL)
I know SC is technically open primaries, but this is still one of the States that went against Obama last time. As you say, the moonbat quotient is pretty low here.
The only way that they even could make a difference in theory is if they piled onto the #2 candidate in an organized way in numbers sufficient to push him to #1, and I don't think they could even pull that off.
Pushing a #5 Ron Paul to #4 wouldn't really do much for him.
I'm in the Pee Dee, and though I have seen some Ron Paul signs around, I don't think that reflects anything other than the intensity/derangement of the few Paulians around. EG: I saw tons of them last election cycle, and Paul still came in, what, fifth place?
Lots of the 'serious' Republicans I've talked to say they're going to hold their noses and back Romney figuring that he's "good enough" and probably the best candidate in the general election. Personally, I'm voting Perry, with the expectation that he won't win the contest.
Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2011 07:00 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 07:00 AM (I2LwF)
Context be damned, that just sounds wrong...
Have a good and safe hike, regardless!
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 07:00 AM (GBXon)
Nice arguement, Allen. It is much like the argument that Joffen makes about anyone who dares mention possible differences between races.
Look up brain sizes in men and women.
Posted by: Kdny at December 28, 2011 07:00 AM (FmSSd)
No one on the thread has mentioned "health of the mother" until your post. I don't think anyone will deny that abortion is a viable option if the mother would otherwise die. When it comes down to "which innocent dies" then we have to make a choice. When the only question is if an innocent will die at all, then abortion should not be an option.
And a majority of Americans are already on the anti-abortion bandwagon. I think we finally got over 50% just a few years ago, and that's trending upward. I don't see that there is a majority Americans who would be opposed to requiring an actual "life of the mother" medical reason for an abortion.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:01 AM (8y9MW)
We're very close to the point where arguing the need to turn off Uncle Sam's sugar spigot will piss off the majority of voters, but I'm not going to stop making that argument either.
Posted by: toby928© at December 28, 2011 07:04 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:05 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Ugh at December 28, 2011 07:06 AM (oZfic)
toby: I think we've lost that argument already.
maddog: In other news, water no longer cures dehydration.
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 07:06 AM (I2LwF)
Why? Brain size is not directly correlated to intelligence- at least not conclusively. I'm pretty sure my son could out-argue the SCOAMF, and there's no doubt that Obama's brain is "bigger" than my son's.
That's a stupid, eugenics-based argument with little-to-no relevance to reality.
If you want to say that men and women are different, well, you're right, we are. If you want to say men are more intelligent than women, I think I'll let AtC or dagny school you on that one.
And using the same arguments regarding races means that George Washington Carver must have been a fictional character (as one example).
Culture has much more to do with someone's intellect than their pure genetics, though genetics are, indeed, a component.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:06 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:09 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 07:09 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Ugh at December 28, 2011 11:06 AM (oZfic)
Yeah -- OBAMANOMICS BABY!!!
Posted by: Troll Crusher at December 28, 2011 07:09 AM (6DDE+)
I don't think the Federal gov't should be in the abortion "business" at all. Not regulate it, ban it, encourage it, discourage it, or pay for it. ZERO involvement.
Ditto for gay marriage. Since when do we need the FEDERAL GOV'T to "recognize" a marriage?
And as to picking candidates, abortion is WAY down the list for me.
If we can narrow down the field to candidates who are truly fiscally conservative, foreign policy conservative, have a credible plan to shrink gov't, who will appoint constructionist judges, and are otherwise electable, THEN maybe I'll take a look at their positions on social policy issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2011 07:10 AM (6Q9g2)
("Honey, we have to bring back all the Christmas presents, let's begin gathering them up, we don't want more debt since I'm losing my job.")
Posted by: Ugh at December 28, 2011 07:10 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:10 AM (zLeKL)
I'm going to wax philosophical for a second and say that I think that demanding absolute consistency in the real world is a useless enterprise. It's one of the things that always bothers me about Big-L libertarians. You can be of the classic libertarian bent but, deviate on whether it can be consistently applied and the Rothbardians will denounce you.
Good enough is good enough in this world.
Posted by: toby928© at December 28, 2011 07:11 AM (GTbGH)
I never said the doctor should make the choice- I said the choice should be available. Take the story of that teenager linked earlier (sorry, not sure what comment # that was): she elected to forgo Chemo for her brain tumor- knowing it would likely kill her (it did) to bring her baby to term. Would you have condemned her for making the other choice: to save her own life? I wouldn't.
It's a terrible choice to have to make, and if there's a "middle road" (say- no chemo for as long as possible, the deliver the child and incubate, and start aggressive chemo immediately thereafter), I would certainly recommend that one. But, if it wasn't an option, or if all options carried roughly equal risk/reward equations, then it's a choice each parent/family would have to make on their own.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:11 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner uses the Butters Defense at December 28, 2011 07:11 AM (/izg2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 28, 2011 07:11 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 07:12 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 11:09 AM (I2LwF)
I agree but women have the biggest balls of all! And they are brass.
Posted by: Ugh at December 28, 2011 07:12 AM (oZfic)
But do you have the science to back you up?
Hundreds of thousands of hours of Internet research can't be wrong.
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 07:13 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at December 28, 2011 07:14 AM (68lxa)
("Honey, we have to bring back all the Christmas presents, let's begin gathering them up, we don't want more debt since I'm losing my job.")
Posted by: Ugh at December 28, 2011 11:10 AM (oZfic)
Have no fear!!!....Obammy will give them 155 weeks of unemployment!!!
Posted by: Troll Crusher at December 28, 2011 07:14 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:15 AM (zLeKL)
If you want to say men are more intelligent than women, I think I'll let AtC or dagny school you on that one.
Here's the problem with statistics on intelligence differentials, the aggregate tells you nothing about the specific. Statistically, an Ashkenazi Jewish male who is an oldest child who was raised by happily married parents and who received exemplary nutrition growing up should max out the intelligence scale. In reality, said man may or may not be intelligent at all. It's the Larry Summers problem, it is a harsh fact that men are more likely to be in the .0001 percentile of mathematical ability. That tells you absolutely nothing about whether the woman in front of the tenure review board also has those abilities.
On the contrary side, broadly speaking women have more empathy and are better verbal communicators. Knowing that tells you nothing about whether a specific man will make an excellent social worker or counselor.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 28, 2011 07:17 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rockmom at December 28, 2011 07:17 AM (aBlZ1)
I wouldn't be too worried about bible carrying mouth breathers, I be more worried about this:
http://tinyurl.com/6qly684
The religion of Peace.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 28, 2011 07:17 AM (vSiVD)
KABUL, Afghanistan — After prodding by his American and European backers, President Hamid Karzai dropped his opposition to allowing the Taliban to set up an office in the Persian Gulf state of Qatar, saying on Tuesday that he could abide by such a step if it was what the United States wanted.
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 07:18 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:19 AM (8y9MW)
Great. Now we're helping them set up terror franchises. McBombers. IED King. C4-in-the-Box. Great.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:20 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dagny at December 28, 2011 07:21 AM (R62Yx)
All around, right now, there are people declaring that our best days are behind us, that the economy has suffered a general loss of dynamism, that it’s unrealistic to expect a quick return to anything like full employment. There were people saying the same thing in the 1930s! Then came the approach of World War II, which finally induced an adequate-sized fiscal stimulus — and suddenly there were enough jobs, and all those unneeded and useless workers turned out to be quite productive, thank you.
I just don't see it. It wasn't the expenditures before or during the war that caused the turnaround. It was the war, or more precisely, the aftermath of the war that caused the US economic turnaround. Most of the industrial capacity of the world was destroyed by World War II, except in the US. It was this only remainding industrial capacity, this near monopoly of the production of industrial goods, that made America "great" or 'exceptional" after the war, and to that extend, the best days of America may be behind her. Creeping Globalization has taken this away. This should have been expected.
Barring some nuclear exchange that leaves America relatively unscaved, this will not repeat again in any of our lifetimes.
Posted by: Neo at December 28, 2011 07:21 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: I am the walrus, goo-goo-ga-joo at December 28, 2011 07:22 AM (68lxa)
Okay, who was the "big brain" in the Obama Administration who thought this would be a good idea? I thought the idea was to isolate and destroy the Taliban, not give them an official office, especially an office in a country that hosts a good deal of US naval operations.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 28, 2011 07:22 AM (9hSKh)
You know, last night I pulled eleven stories I wanted to talk about and/or put in the sidebar. And instead, I fell asleep. And I still haven't done jack shit about any of them here.
Posted by: Truman North at December 28, 2011 07:22 AM (I2LwF)
Women however tend to spend a lot of time making themselves physically attractive to other women
Bless you for pointing out that women dress for other women and not in the accidentally linking to lesbian pron way.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 28, 2011 07:22 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 07:23 AM (mfbqu)
Well, it's almost got to be SecState or SecDef, yes? Unless with was Barack "I'm a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable fialure" Obama himself.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:23 AM (8y9MW)
Arthur Laffer To Endorse Newt Gingrich Wednesday
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 28, 2011 07:23 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:24 AM (zLeKL)
This is a good reason for forcing all Americans to take a statistics class.
Very few people understand the difference between populations and individuals.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 07:24 AM (nEUpB)
Hi, all.
Posted by: Willard Romney at December 28, 2011 07:25 AM (o0IuC)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 07:25 AM (oZfic)
Iran's navy chief warned earlier Wednesday that the Islamic Republic was ready and willing to close the strategic waterway if the West imposes news sanctions targeting Tehran's oil exports over the country's suspect nuclear program.
"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated," said Fleet spokeswoman Lt. Rebecca Rebarich.
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 07:26 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 28, 2011 11:22 AM (9hSKh)
I guess they thought it would give them a reliable address to send the the "Sternly Worded Letters" that appear to form the bulk of this mind-numbingly stupid administration's anti-terrorism policy.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 07:27 AM (OtQXp)
Okay, fine: without condemning the woman herself- would you have opposed the choice? Do you believe it is quantitatively better for her to have brought the baby to term at the cost of her own life than if she had chosen to save her own life at the (probable- no way to be certain now, of course) cost of the life of the baby?
See, that's one place I don't go. I don't see a firm moral ground that tells me which one is Right and which one is Wrong. What I see there is that we live in a Fallen world, and sometimes our only choices are between quantitatively equivalent evils.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 07:27 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:27 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 28, 2011 07:29 AM (BsXKJ)
Yes, but the corollary is that most women have no fucking clue what men find attractive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 07:29 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 07:29 AM (MMC8r)
No more than any other woman who gives birth.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:30 AM (8y9MW)
Okay, who was the "big brain" in the Obama Administration who thought this would be a good idea? I thought the idea was to isolate and destroy the Taliban, not give them an official office, especially an office in a country that hosts a good deal of US naval operations.
We are engaged in peace talks with them.
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 07:30 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 11:27 AM (o0IuC)
Lacey, called that one yesterday...if he wasn't popo or store security, El Screwo.
Posted by: HILLARY! at December 28, 2011 07:30 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 11:29 AM (MMC8r)
Man's got to know his limitations.
Posted by: Harry Callahan at December 28, 2011 07:32 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:32 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: nickless at December 28, 2011 11:29 AM (MMC8r)
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted by: Eric Holder at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (/izg2)
"A tampon company discontinued a "model" they thought wasn't selling well, and women all over the world wrote in angry protest. So they reintroduced the item and created this "apology" as a commercial for their product.
Make sure you enter your name in the popup and then I think you have to click the card to get it to play."
http://www.obtampons.com/apology
Posted by: fluffy is creeped out at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (Lpgtj)
I dunno. They would get too much bad PR to fire him I think. But I could see them changing their own policies.
Which is insane -- this clearly was the best case scenario. Repeated robber shot dead. Win!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (o0IuC)
Apparently, my phone number matches the first 10 digits of the Judaica Web-Store (based, not terribly surprisingly, in Israel) phone number. For some reason I cannot fathom, no one can figure out that if you're calling an outfit in Israel, you need to use international dialing.
So I get lots of angry phone-calls from people whose stuff didn't arrive. And, not terribly surprisingly, it occurs much more around this time of year.
My phone basically doesn't stop ringing from the beginning of December until about mid January.
And, yes, the company I work for has complained to the other company- several times over the past 3 years that I know about- and nothing has been done. Not even a note on their website "If you're calling from outside of Israel, please remember to dial the international extension" or anything.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:35 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 11:30 AM (d6QMz)
That's only because Obama can't figure out how to surrender to them.
Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2011 07:36 AM (d2TMd)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 07:36 AM (OlN4e)
I don't think they can, at least if people are honest about it. The same way I think we should be honest that our opposition to abortion is that we believe that innocent life shouldn't be ended if there is another option.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:37 AM (8y9MW)
If you believe "no", then there's no issue - we don't make a big deal out of whether or not you can have surgery to remove a tumor.
If you believe "yes", then we're talking about trading off the rights of two people.
My suspicion is that the folks who are in favor of abortion don't believe that it's a person. If I'm wrong, put me some clarification.
If you do believe it has person status, then the argument you must make is that the mother's mental health is more important then the life of the child. And that seems like a hard sell to close.
Posted by: RightWing Prof, Managing Partner, Bacon & Cleavage LLC at December 28, 2011 07:38 AM (UOcNk)
Which one? Obama or Paul. Because I'm not sure that Newt is wrong.
Even granting him the absolute best-case, Luap Nor is delusional. I don't want a delusional President.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:39 AM (8y9MW)
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the U.S. has "consistently supported an Afghan-led" peace process.
"Over the past two years, we have laid out our red lines for the Taliban: They must renounce violence; they must abandon their alliance with Al Qaeda; and they must abide by the constitution of Afghanistan," Toner said. "This is the price for reaching a political resolution and bringing an end to the military actions that are targeting their leadership and decimating their ranks."
Posted by: M80B at December 28, 2011 07:39 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Zombie Gram Parsons at December 28, 2011 07:39 AM (EV5/9)
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 07:40 AM (YdQQY)
By Indians? Doctors or not?
I mean, if there is a mis read who do you sue or malpractice and where?
The lawyers aren't going to like this one.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 07:40 AM (oZfic)
Even granting him the absolute best-case, Luap Nor is delusional. I don't want a delusional President.
So, you're a douche nozzle like Newton then. Fine.
Posted by: Perry IS A Straight Shooter at December 28, 2011 07:40 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: fluffy is creeped out at December 28, 2011 11:35 AM (Lpgtj)
That's my brand!
Wanna smell my finger?
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 28, 2011 07:41 AM (d2TMd)
Drink a lot of water. More water than you can imagine. And ask your doctor is you can take feosol.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 07:41 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 11:35 AM (o0IuC)
Should clarify...I just mean he'll (probably) end up being charged and then (hopefully) the DA will drop said charges. Same happened to my Father in a deadly force case in the 80's (protecting his business, during closed hours, two teen would-be thieves dead). Sucks for the guy because he'll end up forking over the cash to defend...hopefully, the NRA or other will spring for the case.
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 07:42 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 11:40 AM (YdQQY)
No law that says you can't start early, Vic!!!
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 07:43 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:43 AM (zLeKL)
Given that the only absolute consistency humans are capable of is being inconsistent, you're dead on...
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 07:44 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:44 AM (zLeKL)
"I mean, if there is a mis read who do you sue or malpractice and where?"
I suspect that's the idea...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 28, 2011 07:45 AM (f6iV1)
238 Totally O/T.To make a long and hideous story short, one of my brothers died suddenly in October. We have a family farm owned by my mother (this brother took care of the land). Meanwhile
Hey, that post got buried in the abortion debate above.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Will it be cheaper, now, to repair levee without pulling out trees and filling in places, or is the cost of repair/rebuild now going to be more Obama dollars?
Ain't got a clue. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2011 07:45 AM (XdlcF)
maddogg...I agree with you, however, as a CCW holder I agree to abide by the rules of my license to carry; no matter how shitty they are. This guy did not...and it is Kroger's policy to not allow CCW in their store (whether employee or not); I don't like it, but there it is.
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 07:46 AM (6DDE+)
Hmm, we're approaching 450 comments, huh? We can haz new thread?
I don't know if it's possible to go OT on a Headlines thread, but what do y'all think of the Pro-Bowl picks this year? I'm not a Pro-Bowl follower particularly, but I always like to hear people's opinions on who got snubbed and/or who got included despite poor performance.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 07:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 07:48 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ace (asleep at the switch) at December 28, 2011 07:48 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 28, 2011 07:49 AM (f6iV1)
I don't know if it's possible to go OT on a Headlines thread
I'm pretty sure it's a requirement. Let me check my membership card...
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2011 07:49 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 07:49 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Purple
Avenger at December 28, 2011 11:49 AM (f6iV1)
Ummmmm, uhhhhhh, that um, hole-in-one was ummmmmm, no delusion!
Posted by: Preznit Foreth at December 28, 2011 07:50 AM (6DDE+)
They couldn't have told you this over the phone and saved you the trip?
Ah well, break out the booze now.
Posted by: Retread at December 28, 2011 07:50 AM (joSBv)
Okay. Point.
I'm still not certain that Luap Nor is an upgrade. Given his own hypocrisy on the budget (stuffing amendments into bills so he can keep the sweet, sweet pork flowing, and then voting against those same bills (once passage is assured) so he can say he voted against pork), I'm not even sold that he'll be all that great on economic matters.
At least with Obama, I'm not expected to try to defend him.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 07:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 07:53 AM (oZfic)
I just popped onto the thread so I haven't caught up but I saw you have an issue with low platelet count from your treatments.
This page from the Platelet Disorder Support Association (seems reputable, but I haven't investigated the org thoroughly yet) talks about dietary changes you can make to help your platelet count.
Off the top of my head, I'd recommend lots of kale, chard, spinach, and other greens to help with your vitamin K.
Hang in there, bud.
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 07:53 AM (5H6zj)
). Second, “because they were prohibited from using non-registered and non-resident circulators, they were limited in the choice and number of people to carry their message to the public.” Ibid. As Meyer makes clear, limiting the size of a candidate’s audience and reducing the amount of speech about his views that he can generate is a cognizable injury. See Meyer, 486 U.S. at 421-22.Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 07:53 AM (r2PLg)
I drink a lot of water now. And what is feosol?
No law that says you can't start early, Vic!!!
LOL, I actually thought about that on the way home.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 07:54 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 11:51 AM (6DDE+)
Any fish with human style teeth needs killing. *SHUDDER*
I like that the Papua New Guineans have named it "Ball Cutter." Very descriptive.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 07:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 07:55 AM (GBXon)
That's also a hard sell. The individual human being begins it's life at conception. This is a scientific fact. It's already got all the chromosomes and genes that it will ever have. It's nothing like a tumor.
Joffen: as usual, I guess didn't explain myself clearly (my students tell me this is an all-too-frequent occurrence). I wasn't making any statement as to the equivalence between the fetus and the tumor. What I meant to convey is that IF you believe whatever is in the womb is not a person, then the decision to abort it is equivalent to any other medical procedure. However, if it is a person, then the choice involves a tradeoff between the rights of two people.
Posted by: RightWing Prof, Managing Partner, Bacon & Cleavage LLC at December 28, 2011 07:57 AM (UOcNk)
LOL, no they have to pull it first.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 07:57 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Palerider at December 28, 2011 07:57 AM (cQZV0)
http://tinyurl.com/bulp9ua
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 28, 2011 07:59 AM (SDkq3)
Yeah. About that...
Posted by: Big Choo-Choo at December 28, 2011 07:59 AM (8y9MW)
It's iron in a way that is easily absorbed. Someone gave you ways to have more iron in food with the spinach and calves liver has a lot of iron.
Would also add B 12. And lots and lots of water.
But, ask your doctor about it first and foremost.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 07:59 AM (oZfic)
Thanks, I'll look at that. I asked the doctor if I could do something to help elevate it and he said no. He said that it was low because the chemo was driving it low and the only thing that we could do is allow some more time in between sessions to allow it to recover.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 08:00 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 10:59 AM (zLeKL)
Sometimes that will work, but reasoned arguements don't seem to be effective with a lot of folk, especially if their given beliefs are comfortable. Sometimes a more visceral experience is needed to change how people think. Given that, if it were up to me every high school junior or senior would have to see the output of an abortion mill. They should have to look at what it really means. I bet there would be no better way to win people to our side. A friend of mine, a person generally on the Right but leaning moderate, was wishy washy for a long time. Then she had an occasion to see what really happens. Now she's even more aggressive on the subject than I am.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 08:01 AM (xUM1Q)
OK, they put me on iron supplements from the very start. I asked about doubling down on that and he said no.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 08:02 AM (YdQQY)
More and more I'm glad I didn't participate in Girl Scouts as a little girl. Instead of growing into my sweet, ladylike, decorous self, I might have grown up to be a leftwing feminist harpy douchenozzle.
Book Published by the Girl Scouts Refers School Age Girls to Media Matters to Clear Up ‘Media Misinformation’ (via DRUDGE, link to The Blaze)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:03 AM (4df7R)
I couldn't do it myself, but I would find money to help someone fund a series of PSAs (or just commercials) in the manner of those ASPCA, "feel sad for the animals" adds about abortion. Use footage of the biological waste disposal bags abortion mills use, etc.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Palerider at December 28, 2011 11:57 AM (cQZV0)
That is one of the biggest fears that PP and the abortion industry have: that they will have to spend money to fight legislation in all 50 states rather than in once at the federal level.
Roe is essential to their business model so it is sacrosanct.
Posted by: Nighthawk at December 28, 2011 08:04 AM (OtQXp)
A REAL man would have used his own nuts for bait, then when the fish clamped down, stood up and dragged it into the boat still attached to his ballsack. Then, without wimper, pried the razor jaws from his bleeding family jewels and beat the fish to death with his dick.
/jus sayin'
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:04 AM (OlN4e)
http://tinyurl.com/bulp9ua
Well he certainly has his priorities in order.
His main platform is abortion. Look at his tweets and press releases.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 08:04 AM (o0IuC)
A Ron Paul victory in Iowa is likely to be added to a Ron Paul victory in Virginia. Fortunately, I don't live in the Old Dominion but if I did, the geniuses who run the local GOP would have discovered the only way that I could be induced to vote for Crazy Ron -- make him the only way to vote against Romney.
I can see the yard signs and bumper stickers now, reminiscent of the Edwin Edwards - David Duke 1991 Louisiana Governor's race with its "Vote for the crook. It's important." Virginia 2012 will have "Vote for the nut. It's important."
Posted by: Mark in Texas at December 28, 2011 08:05 AM (/bkyh)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:05 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 12:02 PM (YdQQY)
My friends who have to take iron supplements also take B 12 supplements and they drink a lot of water. Water is the absolute most important thing. If you don't like water get one of those machines that carbonates the water and drink that with a freshly squeezed lemon or lime.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:05 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2011 12:02 PM (sqkOB)
...are you saying we're in danger of slipping back to Tier 3 bloggage levels?
Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2011 08:06 AM (d2TMd)
place yo bets!
Over/Under on how many Ron Paul posts by Ace today
Over/Under on how many times Ace uses "butthurt" in teh comments
Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2011 08:06 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 08:06 AM (mfbqu)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 08:07 AM (r2PLg)
So my wife should make more molasses cookies to help fight her not-quite-anemic low blood iron?
I approve.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:07 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:08 AM (oZfic)
I was in Brownies and ultimately Girl Scouts (for about 2 yrs until I pleaded w/my Mom to let me quit because it just wasn't cool!)
In the 80's there was none of this crap. I don't know where they took a wrong turn. It was nothing but volunteerism and community service. It's sad what has happened to the organization.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 08:08 AM (o0IuC)
Abortion is not my number one issue but I sent him $50 anyway just because he is Boehner's challenger.
Posted by: Bob Saget at December 28, 2011 08:08 AM (SDkq3)
I am a no exceptions, life-begins-at-conception pro-lifer, but I think we have to take a two-pronged approach to getting rid of the practice. (This is particularly true because of the medical resources available to people who want to have one.)
1. create a culture of life through education and pregnancy crisis centers
The education seems particularly important to me because of the woefully inadequate life science education in our secondary schools. We benefit from wonderful technologies that allow people to see the developing embryo -> fetus, so there are so many ways to help educate people. It's sad to say, but we need to take a page from the conservation activists who 'personalize' the polar bears (or other fuzzy creatures) so that people feel empathy toward them... we need to do the same for the unborn.
2. when public opinion tips, push in favor of a personhood amendment
To me this is not a states' rights issue. It is a question of fundamental human rights -- ie; whether or not the unborn are entitled to the rights conferred by personhood. I would keep the amendment very simple and not address anything about abortion per se, but just state the point at which the unborn have rights (and what criteria are used to determine that so that when technology continues to catch up, we will all know where the line is). The rest will follow in terms of how "unwanted pregnancies" can be handled.
It is true that there is a question of (possibly) conflicting rights between an unborn child and his/her mother. I would leave that to the states. The important thing is to establish the humanity of the fetus.
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 08:08 AM (5H6zj)
Are Ace and the cob-loggers out there clearing the hobos from Times Square in advance of the New Year's festivities?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:08 AM (4df7R)
The very fact this is considered a possible outcome should tell you what the base feels about Mitt Romney. It should also tell the establishment hacks that they should be doing everything in their power to either force him out of the race, or pull someone else across the finish-line first.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:09 AM (8y9MW)
Ace's first post will be about?
a) Ron Paul
b) a movie review/trailer
c) Sarah Palin (re: the ad)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2011 12:09 PM (sqkOB)
Didn't he promise a review of his Kindle experience? Something like that would warrant an epic post, I expect. Possibly even a saga.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:10 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:11 AM (OlN4e)
Isn't this kind of normal?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 12:10 PM (o0IuC)
I think it's the lack of a DOOM thread to break-up the morning that has folks antsy. Which says something about us, but I don't know what .
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jordan at December 28, 2011 08:12 AM (RSG1I)
I thought they were all on a round-up so they could stock TS for New Year's. It's Nanny Bloomberg that's trying to stop them.
Posted by: Retread at December 28, 2011 08:12 AM (joSBv)
As someone that could very well be living in Boehner's district next year, I don't want this clown representing me. He's a joke.
It's not a popular sentiment around here but I'm one of the few people that doesn't find Boehner satanic.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2011 08:12 AM (o0IuC)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 08:12 AM (r2PLg)
Why are there riots in stores, when you can buy Nikes online?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 12:10 PM (9XykO)
Because then there's no one there to SEE you buy the Nikes and carry them out of the store in a name brand bag, which means you're COOL or something.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:13 AM (4df7R)
How much can one talk about the Kindle?
It's just a friggin small flat monitor with words on it.
Posted by: Igor at December 28, 2011 12:12 PM (sqkOB)
Well sort of. You kind of develop and addiction. You can download books and literally inhale them. You end up reading more in a month than you've ever read and you till aren't satisfied.
And then people gift you with books and you can read three or four books at once and carry them around in your purse. It's a frightening little machine.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:14 AM (oZfic)
So would that be Nuttling instead of noodling?
Noodling is just as insane IMHO. I've seen snapping turtles over 2 feet across with stone arrowheads embedded in their shells. Those guys like to hide in the same places as the big cats. And they can take a hand off in one bite. No thanks.
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:14 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 08:15 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 08:15 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: franksalterego at December 28, 2011 12:10 PM (9XykO)
Because there are still low income areas of this nation that don't have Federal Funding for High Speed Trains to deliver the High Speed Internets.
This wouldn't happen in Europe.
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2011 08:16 AM (d2TMd)
The second is (if you believe abortion is wrong), how best to decrease its incidence. Personalizing it is one good strategy. Another good way is to show respect and empathy towards those considering abortion. I believe that the majority of people considering abortion have a hard time with their decision and agonize over it. I doubt many of them ever change their minds because of a frothing-at-the-mouth protestor at a clinic. It makes the protestor too easy to marginalize as a whack job.
Posted by: RightWing Prof, Managing Partner, Bacon & Cleavage LLC at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (UOcNk)
Posted by: Retread at December 28, 2011 12:12 PM (joSBv)
Pft! Next Nanny Bloomers will be telling us we can't use salt to season our hobo jerky unless it's organic, kosher sea salt obtained from a local provider within fifty miles of our jerky-making operations.
Killjoy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2011 08:18 AM (4df7R)
incidentally...
Business Insider makes Zero Hedge look like the Wall Street Journal.
Business Insider is garbage. BI is written by know-nothings, dopes, and fools. All of their content is not just crap, but dubious crap.
Posted by: the improper soothsayer at December 28, 2011 08:19 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: RightWing Prof, Managing Partner, Bacon & Cleavage LLC at December 28, 2011 08:20 AM (UOcNk)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 28, 2011 08:20 AM (jUZRg)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 09:49 AM (zLeKL)
Same here re: 100% opposed now. Even way back in the dark ages when I was a lot more liberal than I am now and mostly just tried to avoid talking or even thinking about abortion much, the "exceptions" like rape and incest never seemed very logical to me. Is it is a person you're killing or not? If the answer is yes, then what the hell sense do "exceptions" make? The poor child - however messy or violent the circumstances of its conception might have been - didn't do anything wrong. I'm not religious at all, not even a little bit, so I got to that point in my thinking via another route, but I do sometimes wonder if the country we live in won't continue to go down the crapper as long as the citizens of this nation allow babies to continue to be murdered. I do wonder that if there is a big 'G' God out there keeping track of such things wouldn't that be something that would get Him to shove your nation into the crapper, no matter what else you might try to do to avoid it. Anyways, that was a mess of a paragraph...sorry.
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 28, 2011 08:21 AM (hcJkV)
Yes, I favor the positive approach over the negative one, although if someone wants to protest at a clinic, that's their right.
Someone mentioned the ASPCA ads. Those don't work for me. I cringe when I see them and turn the channel. What works for me are positive images of animals.
The beauty of the developing human is very powerful. So powerful that even our liberal "infotainment" folks can't resist putting it on tv. Discovery or one of those channels often broadcasts specials about developing animals, including people. I gotta believe that with time public opinion would turn.
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 08:22 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 12:20 PM (zLeKL)
Suggestion for next topic: If you had a single rat pill, and Joe Bidens entire brain including the brainstem, which would come closer to weighing 1 gram?
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:22 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:24 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 08:25 AM (mfbqu)
Everything on BI is garbage. Everything.
Every single word is crap on that site.
All the contributors/writers for BI are stupid and ignorant and young and stupid.
Posted by: the improper soothsayer at December 28, 2011 08:25 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2011 08:26 AM (XBdI0)
Probably the head asshole himself.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 28, 2011 08:27 AM (KXXIv)
Knowledge that any good moron can use!
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 08:27 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 08:27 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 28, 2011 12:27 PM
(KXXIv)
That...would be me!
Posted by: Sheriff Slow Joe at December 28, 2011 08:28 AM (6DDE+)
I'll honestly say that I don't know.
It would seem to me that IF they changed the rules in the middle (as I'm hearing from some quarters) that should not be allowed. Also if they're enforcing the rules differently for some candidates than others (as I'm hearing from different quarters) then that should not be allowed. But I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of exactly what sort of clusterf*ckary is going on in VA, so I'll just say that its pretty FUBAR.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Satan at December 28, 2011 08:29 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 28, 2011 08:29 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 28, 2011 12:29 PM (hiMsy)
Yeah, and they have a nasty disposition and a habit of biting the shit outta anything that gets within the considerable reach of that bone shearing beak. They didn't last 100 million years by playing nice.
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:33 AM (OlN4e)
After enjoying a few drinks, some people go dancing. Others order food. And for some, itÂ’s time to shop online.
“I have my account linked to my phone, so it’s really easy,” said Tiffany Whitten, of Dayton, Ohio, whose most recent tipsy purchase made on her smartphone — a phone cover — arrived from Amazon much to her surprise. “I was drunk and I bought it, and I forgot about it, and it showed up in the mail, and I was really excited.”
Shopping under the influence has long benefited high-end specialty retailers — witness the wine-and-cheese parties that are a staple of galleries and boutiques. Now the popularity of Internet sales has opened alcohol-induced purchases to the masses, including people like Ms. Whitten, who works in shipping and receiving and spent just $5 on the cat-shaped phone cover.
Posted by: Barney Gumble at December 28, 2011 08:33 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 08:33 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:34 AM (oZfic)
yes the nic fits it
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 08:35 AM (mfbqu)
Yeah, I saw it. Like I said, I'm mostly unsure of the specifics of what, exactly, happened in VA.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:35 AM (8y9MW)
still voting like all women based on your perception of good looks?
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:36 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Y-not at December 28, 2011 08:37 AM (5H6zj)
Why? Brain size is not directly correlated to intelligence- at least not conclusively. I'm pretty sure my son could out-argue the SCOAMF, and there's no doubt that Obama's brain is "bigger" than my son's.
That's a stupid, eugenics-based argument with little-to-no relevance to reality.
Go re-read my statements. At no point did I say men are smarter. My point, was to bait Joffen into exactly the postion you so brilliantly took. He cried racist at the mere mention of possible racial differences in intelligence based on statistical observation. He was even stupid enough to jump to the conclusion that anyone who didn't get the vapors at the mention of such a thing was for Ron Paul.
It is a stupid and leftist touchy feely way of thinking and debating to call names and refuse even to look at arguments.
By the way, intelligence is not the be all and the end all of human traits.
Posted by: Kdny at December 28, 2011 08:38 AM (FmSSd)
Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2011 08:39 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 28, 2011 08:39 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 28, 2011 08:39 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:40 AM (8y9MW)
the unvacinated cat piss troll is back......
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 08:40 AM (mfbqu)
Huh. That may explain the repurposed lumber and hemp rope...
Posted by: DarkLord©says Ia! C'thulu ftaghn! at December 28, 2011 08:42 AM (GBXon)
According to Allah over at Hot Air, Rick Perry flip flopped on abortion a few days before the Iowa caucus. He is now for making it illegal even in the cases of rape or incest.
Cynical and spectacularly idiotic. This may get him some cheap votes in Iowa, but there is no way in hell he can win a general election with that position.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 28, 2011 08:42 AM (m/TU6)
It's been around for a while...I batted it's head a couple of times, but then became bored with my stupid, old toy.
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 08:43 AM (6DDE+)
411Someone on the Zero hedge thread about the layoffs is claiming that American x rays are now read in India???
By Indians? Doctors or not?
I mean, if there is a mis read who do you sue or malpractice and where?
The lawyers aren't going to like this one.
That would be illegal under Indiana State Law for any medical or dental practice within the State. All xrays, even those viewed for a second opinion by an insurance co. or for validation of an insurance claim, must be read by a licensed MD or DDS practicing within the State of Indiana.
Posted by: MrObvious at December 28, 2011 08:44 AM (t4++D)
the unvacinated cat piss troll is back......
Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 28, 2011 12:40 PM (mfbqu)
Now that the Occupy movement is winding down, whats a gal to do with all the spare time on her hands?
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2011 08:45 AM (sEvRn)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 28, 2011 08:45 AM (khw5i)
Who came up with that?
Posted by: AllenG
(Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011
12:40 PM (8y9MW)
Agreed...I've about had it w/Gmail anyways...haven't used them for search in a long while.
Posted by: billygoat at December 28, 2011 08:46 AM (6DDE+)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 28, 2011 12:42 PM (m/TU6)
You obviously don't read the comments. We've been arguing abortion for a good chunk of the thread.
Also, it's not a "flip flop" to say "I feel more strongly about my pro-life position, to the point that I can no longer even justify exceptions for rape and incest." A "flip flop" would be going from pro-abortion to pro-life, or the other way around.
As for winning the general with it? I don't see how it's any harder than any other pro-life stance on abortion. The NAGS and PP group will oppose the Republican candidate no matter who it is, and greater than 50% of the nation actually agree with his stance.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 28, 2011 08:47 AM (8y9MW)
The insurance companies have been outsourcing the reading of xrays to other states for years, where anybody (even an insurace company secretary?) can reject a claim. Hence the law required to limit one of the many delays insurance companies throw up to delay known claims.
Posted by: MrObvious at December 28, 2011 08:47 AM (t4++D)
Rick Perry flip flopped on abortion a few days before the Iowa caucus. He is now for making it illegal even in the cases of rape or incest.
He's just doing the Hokey Poley. He puts his right hand in. He takes his right hand out. he puts his right hand in and he shakes it all about.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 28, 2011 08:47 AM (jUZRg)
By the way, intelligence is not the be all and the end all of human traits.
Posted by: Kdny at December 28, 2011 12:38 PM (FmSSd)
Exactly. It's Good Looks that is the be all and end all. After all, that correlates to being intelligent and a great conversationalist. Pretty girls are so much more interesting to talk to that the ugly ones...
(I'm kidding, mostly)
Posted by: Reactionary at December 28, 2011 08:47 AM (xUM1Q)
you can understand outsourcing to other states, but other countries. India is a whole nother country.
Posted by: dip theory ah at December 28, 2011 08:49 AM (oZfic)
Alyssa Milano is now the Sally Struthers of the new millenium?
Teary-eyed Ambassadress of Unicef. I want a pic of her sitting on a bag of UN rice, nekkid, with a fly on her face.
Posted by: Wodeshed at December 28, 2011 08:49 AM (SgLsM)
That's Bahrain.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 28, 2011 08:49 AM (KXXIv)
Posted by: Chuck E. Gibson at December 28, 2011 08:51 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 28, 2011 08:51 AM (uIz80)
You obviously don't read the comments. We've been arguing abortion for a good chunk of the thread.
Also, it's not a "flip flop" to say "I feel more strongly about my pro-life position, to the point that I can no longer even justify exceptions for rape and incest." A "flip flop" would be going from pro-abortion to pro-life, or the other way around.
As for winning the general with it? I don't see how it's any harder than any other pro-life stance on abortion. The NAGS and PP group will oppose the Republican candidate no matter who it is, and greater than 50% of the nation actually agree with his stance.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't read all the comments. My company has a weird policy about giving us only one hour for lunch.
And I'm afraid it is a flip-flop. He was for the legality of abortion in the case of rape and incest, but now he is against it.
So Rick Perry is a flip-flopper, and a remarkably dumb one at that.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 28, 2011 08:54 AM (m/TU6)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:54 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 28, 2011 08:55 AM (khw5i)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 08:56 AM (zLeKL)
Wow. Our radiology group has been in an exchange deal with an Australian group for years. At night they read our x-rays, during the the day, our guys read their after-hours films.
Posted by: toby928© at December 28, 2011 08:57 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 28, 2011 08:59 AM (VdvP/)
Not doing radiation, only chemo.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 08:59 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 28, 2011 09:01 AM (khw5i)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 28, 2011 09:03 AM (sHY5w)
Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 09:06 AM (zLeKL)
Wow. Our radiology group has been in an exchange deal with an Australian group for years. At night they read our x-rays, during the the day, our guys read their after-hours films.
That's totally possible within the context of any professional study group. Case studies are a primary source of education after you've reached the limits of academic education. The sharing of those images between professionals is not illegal and would even be encouraged. The final ultimate diagnosis and/or treatment on the other hand, still legally rests with the practitioner licensed to treat that patient in that State/Country. Keep in mind that if any diagnosis turned out to be wrong, the practitioner who claimed he had a second opinion...unlicensed in this State, doesn't legally, actually have a second opinion.
The Indiana State Law was specifically worded to limit the abuse of insurance companies, who could hire "retired or out of date professionals" to review and "reject claims". Notice that they were specifically hired to second guess and reject the treatment already provided by someone else. These insurance company employees were specifically graded on the percentage of claims they rejected. ......Ethics?....anyone???
Personally, I have logged over 1600 hours of continuing education in my career and belong to 3 seperate study groups. The most fun we have frequently involves sharing and problem solving particularly a-typical diagnosis and treatement planning on odd cases. Day in and Day out....90% of what we do becomes routine and boring. But if it weren't for study groups and case sharing, we'd have almost no resources to fall back on whenever a new patient failed to respond to standard diagnosis and treatement.
Posted by: MrObvious at December 28, 2011 09:14 AM (t4++D)
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Good Morning Morons. Today is December 28, 2011. On this day in 1065 Westminster Abbey was consecrated. So, yeah, its been around for a while. IÂ’m surprised the OWS crowd didnÂ’t try to camp out there and shit in it.
Also for Gabe, a reminder, itÂ’s the last week of the month and time for monthly AOS we hate Romney poll.
Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2011 02:52 AM (YdQQY)