March 15, 2011

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— Gabriel Malor

Et tu, Brute?— Then fall, Caesar!

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 02:50 AM | Comments (305)
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1 hmmmmmm

Posted by: elspeth at March 15, 2011 02:56 AM (BWf01)

2 "The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones"

Posted by: joncelli at March 15, 2011 03:02 AM (Nvw83)

3 Damn.... looks like reactor #4 is in meltdown.

Posted by: Jackwagon at March 15, 2011 03:11 AM (ph9vn)

4

Q:  Exactly how much cocaine did Charlie Sheen do?

 

A:  Enough to kill 2 1/2 men.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 15, 2011 03:11 AM (yQWNf)

5 "FLASH: Japan nuclear safety agency: Two 8-metre holes in wall of Fukushima No.4 outer building after blast"

http://tinyurl.com/4fuvqu4

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 15, 2011 03:11 AM (6Lzbz)

6 Yeah! It's raining again in Ohio.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:12 AM (penCf)

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at March 15, 2011 03:13 AM (WbnbO)

8 Barring a breakthrough in fusion research, we can kiss nuclear in the west goodbye for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: joncelli at March 15, 2011 03:13 AM (Nvw83)

9 First Lady Michelle Obama will host a third Spring planting party for her South Lawn Kitchen Garden on Wednesday, March 16,



Does anyone start their gardens this early?  Oh wait, we don't have heavily armed Secret Service to cover our plants for us.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:14 AM (penCf)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:15 AM (penCf)

11 momma,  out here the only things you plant this early are potatoes and onions.  Maybe peas.

Is it raining in DC?  Had a note from a frieend of miine who said it was raining in Virginia.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 15, 2011 03:17 AM (Fo83G)

12 et tu, Bluto..? AgAgAgAgAg...

Posted by: mallfly at March 15, 2011 03:20 AM (W6bJb)

13 Notice, they use the word appearing, not the word being:

Top Obama aides say things will look better by mid-2012, for several reasons.

Some union activists wish Obama would speak up more forcefully for them. But campaign aides say they think he is walking the right line by supporting unions without appearing unduly beholden to them.

...

Gibbs predicted that Republicans will help by focusing on undoing Obama initiatives, such as the 2010 health care overhaul, rather than offering an appealing alternative agenda. "Being against something is only going to get you so far," Gibbs said.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:21 AM (penCf)

14 Just here to say that the engineers and workers who've stayed with those fucking reactors deserve medals. That takes a special kind of balls.

Posted by: Secundus at March 15, 2011 03:22 AM (cRNjo)

15

No rain in DC - only very spotty showers across the region. Steady rain late PM...

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 03:24 AM (cNHhh)

16 momma,  out here the only things you plant this early are potatoes and onions.  Maybe peas.


Last year I planted my garden (pot, peas, onion) April 1st.  I took a lot of flack, but it had already been 60s and sunny for 3 weeks straight.

This morning it was 36, and it snowed 2 days ago. Plus, she doesn't plant seeds, she plants actually plants.

Everything she does should have 'no way the average American could do this' attached to it.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:25 AM (penCf)

17

#14,

Why? Outside of steam/gas buildups, there's little risk.

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 03:25 AM (cNHhh)

18 Byron York on Twitter reports David Brooks has a column out where he says, 'It's likely [Obama] can win next election simply by force of personality, by overshadowing his opponent.'

That sure must have been some pant crease!

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 15, 2011 03:26 AM (Fo83G)

19 Gibbs predicted that Republicans will help by focusing on undoing Obama initiatives, such as the 2010 health care overhaul, rather than offering an appealing alternative agenda. "Being against something is only going to get you so far," Gibbs said.


Who is this Gibbs that you speak of?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 15, 2011 03:27 AM (WbnbO)

20 Jess - Check the news feeds...they've abandoned the site now except for a handful of people operating the pumps, radiation levels are too high

Posted by: VT_02 at March 15, 2011 03:27 AM (Ll70k)

21 Speaking of nuclear, this is nuclear weapons grade stupid/ignorant/pathetic:

Warning: From Media Matters:

Fox Concerned About Threats ... When They're Aimed At Republicans

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:30 AM (penCf)

22 18 Byron York on Twitter reports David Brooks has a column out where he says, 'It's likely [Obama] can win next election simply by force of personality, by overshadowing his opponent.'

That sure must have been some pant crease!

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 15, 2011 07:26 AM (Fo83G)


Oh joy.. more personality cult. 

Posted by: Jackwagon at March 15, 2011 03:33 AM (ph9vn)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:34 AM (penCf)

24 Anybody else been told all their life that "Et tu, Brute" is a palindrome, only to discover that it isn't?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 15, 2011 03:39 AM (McG46)

25 First Lady Michelle Obama will host a third Spring planting party for her South Lawn Kitchen Garden on Wednesday, March 16,

100% chance of rain on Weds. 65 and sunny on Thursday, great golfing weather.

Posted by: fluffy don't golf at March 15, 2011 03:41 AM (SwkdU)

26 #23 link (movie/doco  about global warming hoax) and this link go to New Zeal:

AFL-CIO's Liz Shuler on Labor Education ""We Need to Get Into the Elementary Schools."
Democratic Socialists of America connected AFL-CIO Secretary Treasurer Liz Shuler was quoted in today's edition of  Communist Party USA news site Peoples World,  in reference to labor union "education" in public schools;

By contrast, Shuler notes "Wisconsin years ago passed" a mandate for labor education within its schools. "That's why the students came with their teachers," she said about the ongoing protests in Madison against right wing GOP Gov. Scott Walker's moves to strip 200,000 state and local workers of collective bargaining rights.



"High school is too late" to educate students about unions and workers, says Shuler, the daughter of union parents in Oregon who joined the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers as an activist and organizer after college. "We need to get into the elementary schools."


...

Must See:  Warning: This will piss you off: (video) Their agenda?  Let's start teaching younger kids about the greatness of unions! Propaganda!Labor Union Propaganda in Wisconsin Schools - Great Target for Budget Cuts
Wisconsin was the first state in the union to introduce "Labor Studies" into the school curriculum.

This 2010 seminar at the Wisconsin Labor History Society reveals the blatant socialist outlook of those behind the program.

Would you want people like this propagandizi.......uh, teaching your children?

Easy to see now why so many high school kids and college students joined the recent Wisconsin labor protests.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:42 AM (penCf)

27 Hey rdbrewer.  Let me make a suggestion.  Do not ever, EVER link ANYbody who has ANYthing nice to say about Roger Ebert.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 15, 2011 03:43 AM (McG46)

28 Think UK is boned?  Maybe this will sum up our problems:

Vice President Biden has a big week.

As the lead negotiator for Democrats on the budget, there is a lot of pressure on Biden to secure a good deal for the Obama administration.

...

Now BidenÂ’s job is to make sure that the second short-term continuing resolution will be the last one before a comprehensive deal is struck.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:46 AM (penCf)

29 24 Anybody else been told all their life that "Et tu, Brute" is a palindrome, only to discover that it isn't?

"Run Forrest, run" spells m-o-o-n  moon!

Posted by: Tom Cullen at March 15, 2011 03:47 AM (WbnbO)

30

Has China offered any help/response to Japanese tragedies?

(Other than satisfied smirks.)

Posted by: Gem at March 15, 2011 03:50 AM (zw+pb)

31

vt,

More than you know... if you want anything resembling real information stay far, far away from US based media or political mouthpieces.

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 03:50 AM (cNHhh)

32 The Hill::

Sarah Palin for president is toast
my view is that Sarah Palin is toast as a presidential candidate because every poll will show her being slaughtered by President Obama, and Republicans do not want to be slaughtered by President Obama in 2012, though personally I would not regret this outcome.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 03:50 AM (penCf)

33

Fiscal Bracketology: Spending Bill Vote a “Play-in” Game for the House

 

Some fissures are developing among the Republican ranks for the first time since the GOP seized control of the House in January. Conservative interest groups are pressuring Republicans, particularly those aligned with the tea party movement, to vote against the CR. The House is expected to approve the three-week measure that slashes $6 billion and pays for government programs through April 8. But an array of organizations on the right, ranging from the Family Research Council to the Club for Growth, oppose the third installment of stopgap funding packages and demand that lawmakers vote no.

 

Even allowing for the liberal bias in this AP article it is clear that the squishes in the House are going to roll over again. I knew that was going to happen when they rolled the first time. When they rolled the first time the Dems saw they would back down and there was no need to deal honestly all they had to do was hold out and watch the Repukes fold. If they fold once they will fold again.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 03:54 AM (M9Ie6)

34 Palinistas, Palinbots, Palintrons, stupid, whatever. Call us anything you want. When the Queen gives the word you will see something you have never seen before. Palin/Bolton 2012.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 03:56 AM (oBXlb)

35

30,

Actually, yes. One of the 1st S&R teams, along w/materials - all done quietly, w/no fanfare.

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 03:59 AM (cNHhh)

36 Barring a breakthrough in fusion research, we can kiss nuclear in the west goodbye for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: joncelli at March 15, 2011 07:13 AM (Nvw83)

Certainly there's a lot of damage control to be done, PR wise.  But the new pebble bed reactor design, based on what I've read so far, is much safer and very easy to shut down.  We should transition to that design (unless they now have even better ones) regardless of how this issue in Japan turns out.  An effective ad/information campaign could be very effective - people are desperate for alternatives to oil. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 15, 2011 04:02 AM (xUM1Q)

37 Another day, another DD proposal (dumb Dem. proposal)

LasVegas Democratic Assemblyman Paul Aizley on Monday presented the proposed legislation, which would set restrictions on pesticides, fragrances and candles to accommodate people with chemical sensitivities.



Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:02 AM (penCf)

38 Palinistas, Palinbots, Palintrons, stupid, whatever. Call us anything you want. When the Queen gives the word you will see something you have never seen before. Palin/Bolton 2012.

I like her a lot, but she is going to have to part the Red Sea to gain the White House in 2012.

Posted by: fluffy at March 15, 2011 04:03 AM (SwkdU)

39 33

I've got a bad feeling about this...

Posted by: THE chicken at March 15, 2011 04:03 AM (WbnbO)

40 which would set restrictions on pesticides, fragrances and candles to accommodate people with chemical sensitivities.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:02 AM (penCf)

It seems there's just no end to the buffoonery.  How about banning milk to spare the lactose intolerant?  Or peanuts?  Etc.  Once again, it's the damn do-gooders out to "DO SOMETHING."  When are Americans going to start slapping those damn busybodies down?

Posted by: Reactionary at March 15, 2011 04:05 AM (xUM1Q)

41 Any doubt the new Congressmen would fold? Any? When they campaigned, telling people in East Fencepost what they wanted to hear, that was then. Washington, DC corrupts. Every-effin' time.This is now.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at March 15, 2011 04:06 AM (j84s0)

42 I've got a bad feeling about this...
Posted by: THE chicken

It's inevitable. Lay back and think of Kentucky

Posted by: Harlan Sanders at March 15, 2011 04:07 AM (SwkdU)

43

#37 -

"Vegas" & "banned Fragrances"???

Women & Strip clubs hardest hit... 

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 04:09 AM (cNHhh)

44

Even allowing for the liberal bias in this AP article it is clear that the squishes in the House are going to roll over again. I knew that was going to happen when they rolled the first time. When they rolled the first time the Dems saw they would back down and there was no need to deal honestly all they had to do was hold out and watch the Repukes fold. If they fold once they will fold again.

 

They're whores.  We bought them.  It turns my stomach.  I know I shouldn't take it so personal, but dammit, i do.  Since they decided to fund Obamacare, I think we should call it Boehnercare.

Posted by: Truman North at March 15, 2011 04:11 AM (8ay4x)

45 42 I've got a bad feeling about this...
Posted by: THE chicken

It's inevitable. Lay back and think of Kentucky
Posted by: Harlan Sanders

Damn, sir!  Well played !  we "salute" you!

Posted by: chickens at March 15, 2011 04:11 AM (WbnbO)

46 Junkyard Jumbotron: all it takes is any mobile wifi device near each other

from short video:  all it takes is going to their site and getting a unique URL. Then take pic of all screens and send it to special email addy.  You can even zoom and pan the 'junkyard jumbotron'

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:12 AM (penCf)

47 People may not like nuclear power but they will hate blackouts.  And if they think we can power this country with windmills they are fucking idiots.

Posted by: Case at March 15, 2011 04:12 AM (0K+Kw)

48 38, I respectfully disagree. She has to stay on message, we, those who want her to be POTUS will stand hand in hand, from one bank of the red sea to the other. If we can't part it we will build a bridge accross it. Remember, they hated Ronald Reagan too. The name calling, the lies, he's stupid etc. There is nothing new here. With the exception that Obama is a bigger P.O.S. than Carter ever thought to be.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 04:12 AM (oBXlb)

49 People may not like nuclear power but they will hate blackouts.  And if they think we can power this country with windmills they are fucking idiots.

Posted by: Case at March 15, 2011 08:12 AM (0K+Kw)

Don't forget solar!

Posted by: Smelly Hippy at March 15, 2011 04:14 AM (yQWNf)

50 The sheer media-density of the "Sarah can't win" meme indicates to me that she can and may win.

Posted by: Truman North at March 15, 2011 04:15 AM (8ay4x)

51 Folks really should read 'Rendevous With Destiny' by Craig Shirley.  It's a good, straight forward read and it is pretty interesting to see the parallels between Mr.Obama and Mr. Carter.

Posted by: Tom In Korea at March 15, 2011 04:17 AM (ZV0gR)

52 Speaking of balls, this guy has a brass set: (Video of him jumping in fuel tanker that is engulfed in flames, and driving it away from station)

Man drives burning tanker from petrol station

A driver in Turkey has been hailed as a hero after leaping into action when a fuel tanker he was unloading caught fire at a petrol station.

This CCTV footage shows the terrifying moment flames shoot up out of the top of the tanker and everyone runs away. Everyone except Koçak, that is.

Realising a massive explosion could take out the entire station, Koçak jumped back into the burning vehicle and drove it 1km to safety.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:18 AM (penCf)

53

"The self declared upper class may not like nuclear power but they will endlessly preach that you must accept blackouts for your own greater good"

FIFY.

 

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 04:19 AM (cNHhh)

54 $5.00 a gallon gas?  Yes, Sarah could win.

Posted by: Case at March 15, 2011 04:21 AM (0K+Kw)

55 #1 - Japanese reactors are getting worse not better. I don't think we are talking fuel outside of the pressure vessel badness, but nuke plants blowing up and on fire are objectively not good, and horrible optics. Sarah Palin is not running. She is performing a valuable service in battlespace prep. And, she's a good marker - candidates who feel the need to distance themselves from Palin can go ahead and save several million dollars. Not because she is a fearsome queen, but because there are a LOT of people who do like and support her, and if you want to distance yourself from her go ahead and say goodbye to the votes, too. Suggested formulation for the folks whose teeth hurt when they think about Palin, when the inevitable newsie probes them for soundbites to run later: "Sarah Palin is a very popular figure among conservative voters, and she is an important voice in the Republican Party - look, she was our Vice Presidential candidate in the last cycle. I trust the process to select the best candidate, and if the process determines that it is Governor Palin, I will support the Party and her 100% for President." Is that so hard to say? Hell, I could say that about Huckabee (*spit*) if I was on TV. I would have said that about McCain if I was on TV.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 04:23 AM (Fw2Gg)

56 Radiation levels continue to DEcrease at Fukushima plant. Link goes to IAEA. http://tinyurl.com/4cvbltw

Nuclear disaster more interesting than tsunami clean up, and gives TV some needed eyeballs, not to mention screen time for Sheppy the Squirrel.

Posted by: Museisluse at March 15, 2011 04:23 AM (xrmna)

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 04:23 AM (MMC8r)

58 Eugene Robinson is whining about Nuclear power...why do I subject myself to this?

Posted by: Zakn at March 15, 2011 04:23 AM (zyaZ1)

59 The Obama administrationÂ’s environmental agenda, long a target of American business, is beginning to take fire from some of the Democratic PartyÂ’s most reliable supporters: Labor unions.

Several unions with strong influence in key states are demanding that the Environmental Protection Agency soften new regulations aimed at pollution associated with coal-fired power plants. Their contention: Roughly half a dozen rules expected to roll out within the next two years could put thousands of jobs in jeopardy and damage the partyÂ’s 2012 election prospects.

“If the EPA issues regulations that cost jobs in Pennsylvania and Ohio, the Republicans will blast the President with it over and over,” says Stewart Acuff, chief of staff to the president of the Utility Workers Union of America. “Not just the President. Every Democratic [lawmaker] from those states.”

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 15, 2011 04:24 AM (7+pP9)

60 America was THIS CLOSE-- to solving our energy problems going forward.

Posted by: Agent 86 at March 15, 2011 04:24 AM (8ay4x)

61

Re blackouts: Everything will have to have a back up battery to get you through the blackouts. Let's see some environmental impact statements on increased battery usage. People are not going to stand for their phones, computers, radios, tvs etc being blacked out.

These environmental communists have pulled the biggest scam in history.

Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2011 04:24 AM (A+3fb)

62 Oh give me a home
where the buffalo roam, and
y'all...  Meh!  Hah!  Suckers!

Posted by: Subsidized Cowboy Poet at March 15, 2011 04:25 AM (WbnbO)

63 As a mom, this pic breaks my heart.  I couldn't imagine having my kids wear masks while standing in line so they can be checked for radiation exposure.

May God be with them all.

PS - Notice the calm?  These people have either lost someone, or know someone that has lost someone, many don't have houses or jobs to go back to, they are in a shelter, and communication is still sketchy.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:25 AM (penCf)

64 I can't stand Shep Smith. Why doesn't he just go to MSNBC with the rest of the retard brokeback media.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 04:26 AM (oBXlb)

65 Realising a massive explosion could take out the entire station, Koçak jumped back into the burning vehicle and drove it 1km to safety.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:18 AM (penCf)

Whoa!  Watch at about the 14 sec. mark.  A car starts to pull in and sees the fire.  He immediately decides the station down the street might be a better place to go.

Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2011 04:27 AM (VuLos)

66

When are Americans going to start slapping those damn busybodies down?

Society is founded on three pillars: Law, Tradition and Taboo.  We've killed Tradition and Taboo, so now the Law is the only thing left, and it's going to keep getting bigger.

The problem is that the left spent years attacking the common culture and it's associated ideas of civility and respect.  You shouldn't need a law, because if someone is affected by fragrances then it should be common courtesy to refrain from using them in his presence.  It's the same with smoking.  If want to smoke, then I'll ask the people around me if they mind.  If they say that they do, then I don't smoke.  I don't get pissy about it if they say it bothers them, because I was raised that you should always be respectful of others.

Posted by: Alex at March 15, 2011 04:27 AM (J2ejK)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:29 AM (penCf)

68
Ah yes, the enlightened liberal mind speaks on

Don't Donate Money to Japan

Could this article win "Asshole of the Year"?

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 04:29 AM (ZHsNw)

69 It wasn't the earthquakes, it was the tsunamis, therefore don't build your effing nukes on the beach.

Problem solved.

Next.

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 04:30 AM (MMC8r)

70 Problem solved. Next. Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (MMC8r) Okay: Mideast peace.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 04:35 AM (Fw2Gg)

71 I donated to Indonesia, Haiti and now I am donating to Japan. Did I send a check? Nope. You see that big multi billion dollar Aircraft carrier sitting off the coast? I paid for that. The Helos, the fuel to run them, the brave people operating them, Yep, I paid for that too. I will not send a dime to these libtard do gooder organizations. The closest I will get to that is the money I put in my collection plate at church. Lutheran Services does some magical things.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 04:36 AM (oBXlb)

72 17 cpm isn't much. A tick over surface background in CT iirc

Posted by: Zakn at March 15, 2011 04:36 AM (zyaZ1)

74 Ah yes, the enlightened liberal mind speaks on

Don't Donate Money to Japan

Could this article win "Asshole of the Year"?

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 08:29 AM (ZHsNw)

Oh, THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER read (in the last few days, because liberals are good at ridiculous).  Japan was already in an economic hellhole before this disaster, and it's in a deeper one now.  They need food, water, clothes, everything; even body bags have run out.  There are hundreds of thousands of people displaced and homeless, with infrastructure in ruins and electricity rationed.  If ever there was a disaster that needed every possible dollar of charity money it could get, it's Japan in 2011. 

This is the line that proves this article's author is an idiot:

Japan is a wealthy country which is responding to the disaster, among other things, by printing hundreds of billions of dollarsÂ’ worth of new money. Money is not the bottleneck here: if money is needed, Japan can raise it.

IDIOT.  IDIOT, IDIOT.  Another dumbass liberal who thinks there're no consequences to the indiscriminate printing of money.  IDIOT! 

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 04:37 AM (4df7R)

75 Problem solved.

Next.
Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (MMC8r)

Um, I have this rash........

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:38 AM (penCf)

76
And the hysteria begins.....

Germany Shuts Down 7 Reactors Temporarily

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 04:39 AM (ZHsNw)

77 71 Problem solved.

Next.
Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (MMC8r)


Okay: Mideast peace.


Oddly enough it involves nukes and sand...

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at March 15, 2011 04:39 AM (WbnbO)

78 And the hysteria begins.....

Germany Shuts Down 7 Reactors Temporarily

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 08:39 AM (ZHsNw)

*sigh*  And did I hear that Sweden has put a hold on the construction of some new reactors, too?  Or was that Switzerland?  Damn Scandi-like Euros, can't tell them apart...

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 04:40 AM (4df7R)

79 Momma, you are on fire this morning. That's not a burning tanker joke.
The AGW documentary is great, as well as the link on the commie elementary school teachers.
You need to strike out on your own kiddo, I've already forwarded three of your links just from today.
How do you brew your coffee?
Holy shit.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 04:41 AM (HBqDo)

80 Okay: Mideast peace.

Drill our own oil, quit the UN, let Israel be Israel, tell the Palis that they live in shit because they choose to and aren't worth our effort to make sure they get 'peace.'

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 04:41 AM (MMC8r)

81 Um, I have this rash........

Stop sleeping with Kratos.

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 04:41 AM (MMC8r)

82 What do liberals know about donating anything, they don't even pay their taxes.

Posted by: Case at March 15, 2011 04:42 AM (0K+Kw)

83 Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (MMC8r)

That's a little harder for Japan than for the rest of us, but your point is taken.

The other thing is that newer reactors (my understanding is that the ones in Japan are actually fairly old) have many more safety features which would (probably) help prevent a similar catastrophe even if they were hit by a tsunami.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 04:43 AM (8y9MW)

84 84 What do liberals know about donating anything, they don't even pay their taxes.

Posted by: Case at March 15, 2011 08:42 AM (0K+Kw)

Well remembered.

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 04:44 AM (4df7R)

85 Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:41 AM (MMC8r)

You missed a step:  Sell more equipment to Israel.

They'd need logistical support to survive.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 04:45 AM (8y9MW)

86 "radiation 30 times normal", okay, what's "normal", and what's life threatening?

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 04:46 AM (MWXXs)

87 I sit in awe at all these TV people that think they have any knowledge whatsoever when it comes to Nuke Power. I promise you they don't. Check the background of these so-called experts. You will find them connected to some Soros org. Those explosions are just the very outer buildings succumbing to a buildup of Hydrogen. The fuel will not escape the vessel. It makes for good TV but in reality this will be all over with very soon with little residual radiation. The biggest lesson here is to keep your back-up generators above sea level.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 04:46 AM (oBXlb)

88 What a fitting picture.  Three dictators . . .

A man repairs his motorcycle next to painted portraits of U.S. President Barack Obama, from left to right, Haiti's former dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, and Haiti's ousted former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Monday March 14, 2011. Supporters were planning to clean the streets of Port-au-Prince in anticipation of Aristide's return which, according to a South African official, could happen anytime before Haiti's elections next March 20. Aristide is exiled in South Africa since 2004.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 04:46 AM (penCf)

89 woke up to don Imus talking about this.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 04:47 AM (k1rwm)

90

Barring a breakthrough in fusion research, we can kiss nuclear in the west goodbye for the foreseeable future.

The market seems to think so. Comapnies that mine and sell uranium dropped at much as 30 percent yesterday(in some cases)

 

And the hysteria begins.....

Germany Shuts Down 7 Reactors Temporarily

eh, Germany has been having an internal fight over nuclear power for the last 10 years or so. If I am not mistaken, the previous Shroeder government had started the process of phasing them all out, but the new Merkel government realized there was nothing to replace them with. For as much as people bitch about nuclear power, they produce a ton of enery, which can't be immediately offset with the energy produced by liberal self satisfaction

Posted by: Ben at March 15, 2011 04:48 AM (wuv1c)

91 57 In case anyone doubts that Mika B. is an imbecile.

That's it.  Good way to give your kid anorexia, there, Mika.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 04:48 AM (8y9MW)

92 Hey!  The Senate held an impromptu session in the Theatre of Pompey. A quorum was present and a vote was taken to terminate the Dictator of Rome's Mandate .... with prejudice.

Brutus was just voting with the majority.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 15, 2011 04:50 AM (fhTf7)

93 Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 08:26 AM (IhHdM)

CPM from a Geiger Counter are worthless w/o calibration data.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:29 AM (penCf)

Yes, it looks accurate. But the use those shitty Sv units that we don't use.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 04:51 AM (M9Ie6)

94 Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:23 AM (MMC8r)

She is a mildly attractive middle-aged woman with good taste in clothes, who is better suited to be a weather girl or a fluffer on a porn shoot (which may explain how she got to her current position).

What stuns me is that she may be even stupider than her father!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 04:52 AM (LH6ir)

95 Re: The sidebar about "I can't eat an IPad..."

It never ceases to amaze me how dense the average liberal can be.  The cost of an IPad 2 is not "the same as an original IPad" (or whatever he said) because of deflation.  It's true because of the laws of computing- I can't remember the specific name for this one, but the one that says- roughly- power will double and price halve every 18 months.  Well... there we go.

I don't know (nor do I care) what "Core" inflation is.  Real inflation should be measured -only and always- based on necessities: housing (rent + purchases), food, fuel/energy.  Nothing else is important, because everything else can be done without if necessary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 04:54 AM (8y9MW)

96 By the way, let me just say: Contracts are for suckers.  Next time you're looking at a phone, go Virgin Mobile.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 04:56 AM (8y9MW)

97 This morning on NPR they made the claim that yes, this is the most transparent administration in history.  I shit you not, the example they presented to support this claim is that this administration has disclosed the size of our nuclear arsenal to our enemies abroad.

Posted by: You got some Bieber on your shoe at March 15, 2011 04:56 AM (F/4zf)

98

91 woke up to don Imus

Sorry to hear it.

Posted by: Truman North at March 15, 2011 04:56 AM (8ay4x)

99 @98, preach it, Brother!!

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 04:57 AM (MWXXs)

100 Barring a breakthrough in fusion research, we can kiss nuclear in the west goodbye for the foreseeable future.

Yet Texas City killed how many, and I cooked with gas this morning?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 04:57 AM (WkuV6)

101 Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 08:51 AM (M9Ie6)

As far as I can tell, not a single news hack in this country has taken a physics class. Nobody seems to understand exactly what radiation is! If I were to rely on our news services for my knowledge I would probably think that radiation is something completely man-made, is uniformly fatal, and has caused the deaths of millions of people in its short history. Oh, and it's Bush's fault.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 04:57 AM (LH6ir)

102 and Virgin Mobile is owned by Sprint if that matters to you (it should).

Posted by: You got some Bieber on your shoe at March 15, 2011 04:57 AM (F/4zf)

103
Gold $1388.70 - Off $40.10

Wow!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 04:58 AM (ZHsNw)

104 Aw, why is Geraldo always the only guy allowed to wear crotchless PPE?

Posted by: Shemp Smith at March 15, 2011 04:58 AM (GwPRU)

105 99 This morning on NPR they made the claim that yes, this is the most transparent administration in history.  I shit you not, the example they presented to support this claim is that this administration has disclosed the size of our nuclear arsenal to our enemies abroad.

Posted by: You got some Bieber on your shoe at March 15, 2011 08:56 AM (F/4zf)

Oh for fuckity-fuck's sake... *rubbing temples*  They've gone past kissing Obama's ass to actually trying to force their heads up inside.

I hate NPR.  Just... hate.  Loathing.  Pure and unadulterated loathing.

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 04:58 AM (4df7R)

106 Posted by: You got some Bieber on your shoe at March 15, 2011 08:56 AM (F/4zf)

Well, if by "transparent" they mean totally without substance? I agree completely.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 04:59 AM (LH6ir)

107

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 08:54 AM (8y9MW)

Moore's Law

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 04:59 AM (HBqDo)

108 OT - car threw a belt last night on the way home - have to get the new one on this am so I can go to work. But its cold out! Krep!!!

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 05:00 AM (Fw2Gg)

109 In their news slide show AOL main page now has "New Nuclear, Not So Fast"....

 my friend said yesterday "watch, this is how to destroy an industry 101" as he was dumping all his "nuclear related" stocks and I didn't believe him but he may be right


Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:01 AM (k1rwm)

110
OT - car threw a belt last night on the way home - have to get the new one on this am so I can go to work.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 09:00 AM (Fw2Gg)

Panty hose work great for a temporary repair.  Borrow them from Shep Smith.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 05:01 AM (ZHsNw)

111

This is just sick.  There are cruel people on the internet.

Hoaxer Tells Parents Daughter Died In Tsunami

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 05:05 AM (4df7R)

112

Momma - you've never spent time in Japan. My take is that 99.999% of the people in that photo would've had masks on in that setting w/o radiation testing.

In other news, the "concerned" have seemingly awaked & are now back here @ AoS. Thread I.Q. now down 75 points...

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:05 AM (cNHhh)

113 Fuckyoushima 2's rods fully exposed for two and a half hours.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at March 15, 2011 05:06 AM (qIHlG)

114 Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 09:01 AM (k1rwm)

The American nuclear industry (aided by the construction industry)should go on the offensive; immediately calling for the construction of replacement reactors using third generation technology, followed by the immediate decommissioning of all obsolete designs.

It would be "For The Children."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 05:06 AM (LH6ir)

115 I've procured somebody's boat; I'm on my way.

Posted by: Sean Penn at March 15, 2011 05:06 AM (xs5wK)

116 This morning on NPR they made the claim that yes, this is the most transparent administration in history.  I shit you not, the example they presented to support this claim is that this administration has disclosed the size of our nuclear arsenal to our enemies abroad.

Posted by: You got some Bieber on your shoe at March 15, 2011 08:56 AM (F/4zf)

 

For commies like National Pinko Radio that is good, but even AP ran a story yesterday that Barry's administration has blown off most FOIA requests.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2011 05:06 AM (1Jaio)

117 The Fox News weather girl is very porn star-ish.

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 05:08 AM (MWXXs)

118

Three year old child treated for alcoholism in UK

They are boned on every imaginable level across the pond.

Posted by: MWR at March 15, 2011 05:08 AM (4df7R)

119 Panty hose work great for a temporary repair. Borrow them from Shep Smith. Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 15, 2011 09:01 AM (ZHsNw) Dang it, should have called it into Fox as a potential meltdown.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 05:09 AM (Fw2Gg)

120

CBD...  "physics"???? C'mon man, the journo class has never passed a science course of any kind... a twit from ABC/Dateless was breathlessly telling all that "radiations" would "drift" from the Japanese coast & "fall all over the west coast of the U.S. if they (??) were strong enough".

(I've gotta find that clip...)

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:10 AM (cNHhh)

121 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 09:06 AM (LH6ir)

That would show far more savvy than they've ever shown in the past.  But I like that plan.

I can even see the 60 Minutes interview,

"Look, Diane, we're sitting on technology that's decades old.  Our newest reactors were built nearly 30 years ago.  If we want to avoid a disaster like Japan is facing, after some cataclysmic natural event, we need to upgrade to newer, safer, more redundant technology.

...

"No, we can't just replace them with other sources.  For all the hype, solar and wind generation are too weather dependent and are not reliable enough for our current needs.  To get the same amount of power output from coal or gas plants would take X plants to replace just one nuclear reactor- and we can usually have two or three reactors in one nuclear plant."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 05:11 AM (8y9MW)

122 Germany is not on a fault and most of their reactors are too far inland for tsunamis.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at March 15, 2011 05:11 AM (qIHlG)

123 119, have you seen the little Latino one with the gigantic boobs? I wonder how much she paid for those? Apparently it was a good investment.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 05:11 AM (oBXlb)

124

"Fuckyoushima 2's rods fully exposed for two and a half hours"

- Possibly the greatest Pron Title possible

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:12 AM (cNHhh)

125 I've gotta watch more Fox...

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:13 AM (cNHhh)

126 Stop sleeping with Kratos.

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:41 AM (MMC8r)

I stopped that 'exercise' last month.  I figured he was the problem, too, but no . . .


Momma - you've never spent time in Japan. My take is that 99.999% of the people in that photo would've had masks on in that setting w/o radiation testing.

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 09:05 AM (cNHhh)

I know they wear them all the freaking time, but it would still be really heart breaking to put a mask on my kid and then tell him/her 'I know we just lost everything, and Auntie hasn't been heard from, and we are in a strange place, surrounded by strange people, but hey...go stand in that line and see if you glow in the dark and stand a good chance of dying of cancer at a way too early age!'

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:14 AM (penCf)

127 why wouldn't they just bury these nuclear plants that are mal functioning in concrete or something.  Like put some kind of blanket and then dump concrete on it.  (Please if this is a dumb comment don't trounce me over it, saw a concrete truck on the way to work and thought of this)

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:14 AM (k1rwm)

128 Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 09:13 AM (cNHhh)

It's hit or miss.  Unless they're talking national Fox- which I don't get.  Our morning meteorologist on the local affiliate is a dude with terrible fashion sense.

And if I'm noticing your bad fashion sense, it has to be really, really terrible.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 05:14 AM (8y9MW)

129 Volume.

You'd need so much concrete, and there's not really a good way to pour it where you need it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 05:15 AM (8y9MW)

130 Sigh.  My comment @132 was directed to:
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 09:14 AM (k1rwm)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 15, 2011 05:16 AM (8y9MW)

131 Is anyone else having trouble connecting to irs.gov?

Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2011 05:16 AM (HjPtV)

132 Entombment is pretty much very last line. Problem is the heat of the fuel - that's why they are pumping water in there. To cool it. Concrete is not a good cooling medium.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 05:16 AM (Fw2Gg)

133  curious- That is what they did in Chernobyl. Unfortunately, when you dump things onto a fire ash plumes up.

Posted by: kidney at March 15, 2011 05:17 AM (3j6OS)

134  $5.00 a gallon gas?  Yes, Sarah could win.

Dude, when election time 2012 comes along $ 5.00 a gallon gas is going to be a happy memory. If our only plan for dealing with shit is going to be printing more money, there's nothing out there to stop the price of gas from going much higher. It's a feedback loop.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at March 15, 2011 05:18 AM (2CcxA)

135 32) Budowsky, the one who predicted the Democrats would hold onto their majority, take it for what it's worth. And who would think a union hack as  NY Fed chief would be ignorant about economics. And Zbig was only smart compared to the other geniuses like Vance, who chose Desert One to bail on the Carter administration

Posted by: justin cord at March 15, 2011 05:19 AM (6UTk5)

136 The pouring in Chernobyl was from helicopters. The crews were horribly irradiated and many died even though they were only allowed a short time over the sited.

Posted by: kidney at March 15, 2011 05:19 AM (3j6OS)

138 So the TEPCO site says that all the reactors are in cold shutdown. Seems a lot more calm than the rest of the world is going on about.

Posted by: blaster at March 15, 2011 05:19 AM (Fw2Gg)

139 My friend bought gas this morning and she said it went down $.30 overnight.  And my other friend said "which means it can then go up $.30 overnight too.  She got very quiet.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:20 AM (k1rwm)

140 Scroll at Kyodo:

BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO unable to pour water into No. 4 reactor's storage pool for spent fuel (22:05)

That is bad juju. Stand by for radiation levels to go back up again if they don't.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:20 AM (M9Ie6)

141 Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 09:20 AM (M9Ie6)

this morning on the Imus program they said something about that MOX stuff being in storage under one of the reactors and that being a huge problem as it is deadly.  I then got up and took a shower, I couldn't listen anymore they were scaring the crap out of me as they are MSM, the morning show that a lot of people listen to.  I generally don't get up to him but i couldn't sleep last night and, other than the BBC and bloomberg being streamed onto the radio, the red eye guy and the coast to cost guy are the only ones on live, I chose the red eye guy.  Thus Imus woke me up.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:23 AM (k1rwm)

142 Vic - the storage pond aren't even pressurized, correct?  So, that is basically a swimming pool pump.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 05:23 AM (WkuV6)

143 So the TEPCO site says that all the reactors are in cold shutdown. Seems a lot more calm than the rest of the world is going on about.

That is a different site than the one having all the problems.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:24 AM (M9Ie6)

144 Where is Vic and his nuclear engineering pose? Have they just gotten busy with their lives? Or should I be really be worrying because they are now heading for their lead lined bunkers?

Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 05:24 AM (TiURi)

145 Unreal, but really par for the course:

MSNBC Alters Lawrence O’Donnell's ‘Shooting Fish In A Barrell’ Michele Bachmann Segment in Online Version
The clip, as aired, began with a 15-second intro that featured the Mythbusters literally shooting fish in a barrel, but the online version of the show omits the intro. OÂ’DonnellÂ’s repeated verbal references to the idiom remain, and the intro was still intact for the 11pm rerun. HereÂ’s a comparison of the segment as aired, and the online version:

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:24 AM (penCf)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:25 AM (penCf)

147 glenn Beck is poo pooing all of this this morning and he is doing a disservice to everyone if he doesn't mention this MOX stuff as it is all over the itnernet in the last week.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:28 AM (k1rwm)

148 Vic and his updates are back! Thank you! You are trust worthy source who knows what you talking about and no one could accuse you sugarcoating the situation.

Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 05:28 AM (TiURi)

149

Momma - again, you don't know Japan (not that I do - no non native ever can) - but you're overlaying western sensibilities on  a very non western people. Trust me when I say that no mother is saying anything near that...

(which is NOT to say that a Japanese mother doesn't/wouldn't care - just don't get caught up in the expressions of care/concern)

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:31 AM (cNHhh)

150 Vic - the storage pond aren't even pressurized, correct?  So, that is basically a swimming pool pump.

A typical arrangement would have a 50 hp pump recircing SFP water through a cooler at around 100 gpm. The other side of the cooler would be cooled by their service water system, which in turn is cooled by large coolers using sea water as an ultimate heat sink sink.

The problem is that ALL of those pumps need power to operate and there is none. In addition they have lost instrumentation for a lot of stuff.

Also, reports yesterday said they had lost some of the fire trucks so they may not have enough capacity there to feed both the spent fuel pool and the core. Also, those SFP are on the top floor of those buildings so if they are feeding them through the top with a 2.5" fire hose they are going to lose a lot of the flow due to headloss and elevation differences.

The other problem with unit 4 is that it had been completely defueled to that SFP so that pit was full of fresh hot stuff. In this case, the core is outside of the containment.

If they can not maintain it covered it is bad shit.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:31 AM (M9Ie6)

151 It looks like Hot Air had a mass banning the other day so expect a whole bunch of new nics who will practice their same obnoxious behavior here until they get their IP blocked.

Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 09:12 AM (IhHdM)

What got AllahPander's and Poppin's panties in a bunch?

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2011 05:31 AM (cQH/d)

152 Any MOX in those rods?

Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 09:26 AM (IhHdM)

It doesn't make any difference at all.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:32 AM (M9Ie6)

153 Sunday, I posted an op-ed (about more gun regulation) SUPPOSEDLY written by Obama published in an AZ newspaper.

Now the Justice Department will pick up that ball and run with it:

Also on Monday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced that Justice Department officials would begin the gun dialogue this week: “The Department of Justice has reached out to stakeholders on all sides of this issue and they are going to be holding a series of discussions as a first step, and some of those meetings are happening this week,” Carney told reporters.

Pressed later for more specifics, Carney said the administration is not prepared to support any specific legislative proposal yet.

“There is room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety, respect the Second Amendment, and we should be able to find some common ground on some of those measures,” Carney said. “I don’t want to detail what those measures are or what he has in mind specifically. Conversations are beginning along those lines by the Department of Justice.”

Obama, who in the past has supported gun control measures, launched his call for “commonsense” reforms in an op-ed on Sunday, March 13, in The Arizona Daily Star, a Tucson newspaper.


Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:32 AM (penCf)

154 Beck is saying that people are going to say outright that they are socialists and is using the lawrence o'donnell example.  However, beck does not realize that people are accusing him of being the guy who is supposed to get republicans and conservatives used to the idea that being a liberal, socialist or communist is ok.   They are saying he's part of all this and he never addresses stuff like that which is said about him and this makes regular people wonder.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 05:34 AM (k1rwm)

155 Obama has ZERO chance of getting any gun control though congress. This is a feint so that the people don't see what is other hand is doing. Don't fall for it.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:35 AM (M9Ie6)

156

What got AllahPander's and Poppin's panties in a bunch?

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2011 09:31 AM (cQH/d)


It looks like it was a 'discussion' about what to do in the Middle East -vs- Israel.

There were a lot of Jew haters over there last night. (I don't go to HA, but sopmeone posted a link to it about the banning on the ONT and I followed links to I think I found the original post they were banned from).  Here's the ban page check comments around 2:55:

Video: The disgusting terrorist attack in Itamar

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:38 AM (penCf)

157

157,

Old news. The Prez tried his usual "team building" (don't lead, just delegate), but this time the NRA told him to go pound sand. He's going to blather about in a huff & sic the JD on the NRA, but this will all disappear by this weekend (glorious weather in the DC area, Golf courses standing at the ready...)

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 05:39 AM (cNHhh)

158 They don't realize it only takes a minute to google the nic and hash. 

Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 09:37 AM (IhHdM)


That is crazy.  I'm not a newbie, but I didn't know that.  Scary actually.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:40 AM (penCf)

159
The other problem with unit 4 is that it had been completely defueled to that SFP so that pit was full of fresh hot stuff.

Bad timing.  If it is in the pond, would moving it be a better option at this point.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 05:43 AM (WkuV6)

160 latest update at NEI who thankfully have already converted their units to Rem:

Dose rates at Fukushima Daiichi as reported at 10:22 p.m. EDT on March 14 were:Near Unit 3 reactor building 40 rem/hrNear Unit 4 reactor building 10 rem/hrAt site boundary 821 millirem/hr.Kitaibaraki (200 km south of site) 0.4 millirem/hr.We are working on getting updated information on radiation and dose rates at and near the plant.

Those are the peak levels that occurred last night as the fire was ongoing and the fuel was uncovered. Supposedly they are lower now but we don't have updated info.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:45 AM (M9Ie6)

161 Vic,  I have a question.  We have nuclear subs and carriers,  and have had for several years.

Are the reactors in those ships operating on the same general principles as power plants,  only smaller?  Could the US switch to many small nuclear plants (say one per town) that would not be as big and scary to people,  and would be more easily contained if there was an accident?

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 15, 2011 05:45 AM (Fo83G)

162 *sigh*  And did I hear that Sweden has put a hold on the construction of some new reactors, too?  Or was that Switzerland?

Switzerland. Some fucking retard politician who has to be seen to be "doing something", so she's going to have a(nother) safety review of the proposed plants. I'm not sure how eye-wateringly stupid you have to be to worry about a tsunami (the proximate cause of the Fukushima failures) in land-locked Switzerland.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 15, 2011 05:45 AM (EDSBe)

163 Politico attacks Palin, calls her THE NEW AL SHARPTON! (It gets better, they include attack quotes from someone at the Weekly Standard - he calls her Al Sharpton with naughty librarian glasses)

Sarah Palin has played the sexism card, accusing critics of chauvinism against a strong woman.
She has played the class card, dismissing the Bush family as “blue bloods” and complaining that she is the target of snobbery by people who dislike her simply because she is “not so hoity-toity.”

Most famously, she has played the victim card — never more vividly than when she invoked the loaded phrase “blood libel” against liberals and media commentators in the wake of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

...

This year, the conservative intelligentsia doesn’t just tend to dislike Palin — many fear that her rise would represent the triumph of an intellectually empty brand of populism and the death of ideas as an engine of the right.

“This is a problem for the movement,” said Will about what Palin represents. “For conservatism, because it is a creedal movement, this is a disease to which it is susceptible.”

Columnist Charles Krauthammer, without talking about Palin specifically, noted that “there’s healthy and unhealthy populism,” and there is concern about the rise of the latter.

“When populism becomes purely anti-intellectual, it can become unhealthy and destructive,” said Krauthammer.

...

“The appeal of conservatism is supposed to be people taking responsibility for their own actions,” said Labash. “But if you close your eyes and listen to Palin and her most irate supporters constantly squawk or bellyache or tweet about how unfair a ride she gets from evil mustache-twirling elites and RINO saboteurs, she sounds like a professional victimologist, the flip side of any lefty grievance group leader. She’s becoming Al Sharpton, Alaska edition. The only difference being, she wears naughty-librarian glasses instead of a James Brown ‘do.”

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 05:49 AM (penCf)

164 Japan Makes Progress at Troubled Nuclear Plant
Officials Regain Some Control, But Too Early to Say Problems Over; Reactors 5, 6 Heat Up
By YUKA HAYASHI; The Wall Street Journal; Tuesday, March 15, 2011
[Via HA headline]

Posted by: andycanuck at March 15, 2011 05:50 AM (7H/n0)

165 Could the US switch to many small nuclear plants (say one per town) that would not be as big and scary to people,  and would be more easily contained if there was an accident?

There is a new design out for "modular reactors" that are about 200 MW each. But the have not taken hold. They are proposing that you will be able to additional "modules" as needed and reduce costs.

That particular model though depended on a lot of variables that have never happened in the regulatory environment of the past.

As for "containing them in an accident" the size doesn't make a lot of difference for the amount of material released unless you have a complete core failure and also lose containment.

I don't expect to see these jump out there and take the market. The costs are being mostly driven by the legal battles and the size makes no difference there either.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:53 AM (M9Ie6)

166 What use is streaming Geiger counter in this situation - other then as a big clicking pacifier?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 05:54 AM (WkuV6)

167 Thanks momma and Downscaled Upscale; looks like one of the usual pillow and slap fights there that finally led Poppin' to jettison one of the more annoying trolls that should've been given the bum's rush a while back except for whatever reason their Townhall overlords give for maintaining post counts.  Then a bit of collateral bannings to illustrate what a BIG TENT Foul Air is.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2011 05:54 AM (cQH/d)

168 So, when Krauthammer, misgauged the damage Obama would cause, dismissed the death panels. thought the tea parties would cause a backlash, none of that counts toward his sterling judgement. Yes, George, she believes in the necessity
of this country, continuation of private economy, and small government,that the Afghan mission is not only necessary but just,

Posted by: justin cord at March 15, 2011 05:55 AM (6UTk5)

169 Bad timing.  If it is in the pond, would moving it be a better option at this point.

Would you go out on a gantry crane above a swimming pool that was boiling? In addition, there is a LOT of work that goes on to have to even get ready to put the fuel back into the core.

It would be much easier to pump water into the pool to keep it cool and the fuel covered. 

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 05:56 AM (M9Ie6)

170 What the hell is a "normal level of radiation?" are they counting total energy absorbed during the course of a day, including UV, infrared, etc? Idiots.

Pope had it correct:

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 05:57 AM (LH6ir)

171 170 Politico attacks Palin, calls her THE NEW AL SHARPTON! Momma, that's pretty much all I need to see . Blah blah blah Krauthammer blah blah blah Labash blah blah blah. I can't remember, in US history, a private citizen being subject to such attacks and out and out slander. They are terrified of her and they should be. The phony talking heads days are numbered. Palin 2012.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 05:58 AM (oBXlb)

172 Yet Texas City killed how many, and I cooked with gas this morning? Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 08:57 AM (WkuV6) Nuclear has the taint of black magic about it, plus people associate it with bombs and huge explosions. It took 25 years to get over TMI in this country, and just at the moment when it seemed like we were ready to go nuclear in a big way again, this happens. Perception is everything with nukes, unfortunately.

Posted by: MFM, in a moment of honesty at March 15, 2011 05:58 AM (RD7QR)

173 Good morning, morons.  Waking to more discouraging news in Japan, I see.  How long can the 130,000 residents keep themselves sealed in their homes? 

Does anyone have a feel for the conditions of the roads?  Is evacuating them possible? 

Brief summary
from Australian news. 

Posted by: Y-not has not read all the comments at March 15, 2011 05:59 AM (pW2o8)

174 Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 09:53 AM (M9Ie6)

That's an important point. Size of facility makes no difference, because the enviro-fascists will attack any proposed nuclear facility. So it makes more financial sense to build as large as possible.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 06:00 AM (LH6ir)

175 Has anyone else noticed that Newsweek is a real news source again? Grim

Posted by: Grim at March 15, 2011 06:00 AM (gyNYk)

176 "American troops helping to fight fires at nuke plant"--FOX

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 06:01 AM (MWXXs)

177 184 Has anyone else noticed that Newsweek is a real news source again? Since when? It's been ObamaPravda since '08.

Posted by: MFM, in a moment of honesty at March 15, 2011 06:02 AM (RD7QR)

178 Those Toshiba mini reactors seem like a viable alternative (ignoring the enviro-fascists).

Vic, I recall that they use liquid sodium for cooling because it won't boil at expected temperatures, so the pressure won't increase nearly as much as a water-cooled reactor. Are any in the real world, or is it just a design exercise?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 06:05 AM (LH6ir)

179 Today's paper said the plans for a third unit at Berwick are still a go, so at least one utility hasn't lost its nerve.

Vic: on a carrier, does the reactor drive turbines separate turbines to produce electricity and drive the propeller shafts, or are the propeller shafts driven by electric motors?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 15, 2011 06:06 AM (7+pP9)

180 Jay Lehr of The Heartland Institute ripping doom and gloomers on Fox.

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 06:09 AM (MWXXs)

181 From the NEI Fukushima page (is this the one you've been recommending, Vic?) BTW, it took a couple of minutes for the page to load because of traffic (I'd imagine).

UPDATE AS OF 9:15 A.M. EDT, TUESDAY, MARCH 15:
Fukushima Daiichi
Units 1 and 3 at Fukushima Daiichi are stable and cooling is being maintained through seawater injection. Primary containment integrity has been maintained on both reactors.

The Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) reported an explosion in the suppression pool at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 2, at 7:14 p.m. EDT on March 14. Reactor water level was reported to be at 2.7 meters below the top of the fuel. The pressure in the suppression pool decreased from 3 atmospheres to 1 atmosphere. Radiation readings at the site increased to 96 millirem per hour.

Dose rates at Fukushima Daiichi as reported at 10:22 p.m. EDT on March 14 were:

    * Near Unit 3 reactor building 40 rem/hr
    * Near Unit 4 reactor building 10 rem/hr
    * At site boundary 821 millirem/hr.
    * Kitaibaraki (200 km south of site) 0.4 millirem/hr.

We are working on getting updated information on radiation and dose rates at and near the plant.

Station personnel not directly supporting reactor recovery efforts have been evacuated, leaving approximately 50 staff members at the site. Operators are no longer in the main control room due to high radiation levels.

Safety relief valves were able to be re-opened and seawater injection into the reactor core was restarted around 1 a.m. EDT on March 15 and is continuing.

At Unit 4 on March 14 at approximately 8:38 p.m. EDT, a fire was reported in the reactor building. It is believed to have been from a lube oil leak in a system that drives recirculation water pumps. Fire fighting efforts extinguished the fire. The roof of the reactor building was damaged.

Fukushima Daini
All four reactors at Fukushima Daini are being maintained with normal cooling using residual heat removal systems.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 15, 2011 06:10 AM (7H/n0)

182 Andy - that's been one of my sources, and yes, traffic does seem to be high there...

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 06:16 AM (cNHhh)

183 Question posted in another thread too, where are the suplemental pumps? seems to me that a transport could have left the US saturday or even sunday with some diesel pumps to supplement the fire trucks/hand pumps/bucket brigade they have going on there.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 15, 2011 06:16 AM (FIDMq)

184 Are any in the real world, or is it just a design exercise?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 10:05 AM (LH6ir)

Pipe dream. We experimented with liquid sodium cooling years ago. There are too many huge problems to overcome. We had a couple of experimental small ones years ago but they have both been long shutdown and decommissioned.

As for naval nuclear propulsion as far as I know everything about them is still classified. 

WIKI has an article though



Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:17 AM (M9Ie6)

185 I can't believe something is melting down and spewing the atmosphere with vile, toxic vapor. Can't they just pour thousands of tons of concrete on it and seal it off?

But enough about Ed Schultz...

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 15, 2011 06:17 AM (PLvLS)

186

Another day, another DD proposal (dumb Dem. proposal)

LasVegas Democratic Assemblyman Paul Aizley on Monday presented the proposed legislation, which would set restrictions on pesticides, fragrances and candles to accommodate people with chemical sensitivities.

Momma,

Folks were pissing and moaning about fragrances in soap and perfumes at malls.  I brought up the careful what you wish for position and stated it would be codified in law.  Some actually supported it and I got my ass raked over the coals here.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 15, 2011 06:17 AM (2o7Ys)

187 Question posted in another thread too, where are the suplemental pumps?

The problem isn't pumps. They still have ALL of their pumps. The problem is power. They were unable to connect the temporary diesels to the emergency buses so they have been feeding the core using fire trucks.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:19 AM (M9Ie6)

188 196, Vic, wasn't the liquid sodium attempts part of a breeder reactor program? Wasn't it the corrosive nature of liquid sodium the main barrier to success?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at March 15, 2011 06:20 AM (oBXlb)

190 Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2011 09:54 AM (cQH/d)

Very accurate take.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 06:22 AM (HBqDo)

191 Is it common to have the fuel storage pools on top of the reactors?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2011 06:22 AM (WkuV6)

192 The problem isn't pumps. They still have ALL of their pumps. The problem is power. They were unable to connect the temporary diesels to the emergency buses so they have been feeding the core using fire trucks.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 10:19 AM (M9Ie6)

Understood, but thought I read they lost a pump or truck or something.  Good to have extras laying around at this point

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 15, 2011 06:23 AM (FIDMq)

193 "Would you go out on a gantry crane above a swimming pool that was boiling?" Glowing blue, shaking with aftershocks, in a full radiation suit. I'm going to need a little more compensation than a head bowing management & co-worker lineup and hand kanji'd tie around my head.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 06:24 AM (zfVyM)

194 Momma,

Folks were pissing and moaning about fragrances in soap and perfumes at malls.  I brought up the careful what you wish for position and stated it would be codified in law.  Some actually supported it and I got my ass raked over the coals here.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 15, 2011 10:17 AM (2o7Ys)


 I can't walk into a perfume shop, tire store, etc because of the smells, but I would never tell other people to stop using air fresheners. But, in my house, if my step son wants to wear cologne he has to either put in on outside and then get into his dad's truck, or if I'm taking him somewhere, he has to put in on when we get there.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 06:25 AM (penCf)

195 WNN has an update on those radiation readings after they peaked at 40 Rem/hr last night.

Later readings were 11.9 millisieverts per hour, followed six hours later by 0.6 millisieverts, which the IAEA said "indicate the level of radioactivity has been decreasing."

.6mSv = 6 x 10-4 Sv or 6 mRem/hr which is very low.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:27 AM (M9Ie6)

196 Not sure why Diageo stock is down almost 4%. You'd figure there'd be a lot more drinking going on.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 15, 2011 06:28 AM (EDSBe)

197 What happened to the commenting modifier buttons, e.g. bold, italic, etc? And how are yinzall getting the seperator bar from quoting other comments?

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 06:29 AM (zfVyM)

198 You have shamed the company with your statement.

Posted by: Dave's boss at March 15, 2011 06:30 AM (7H/n0)

200 Understood, but thought I read they lost a pump or truck or something.  Good to have extras laying around at this point

I had read that they lost 2 of their 3 fire trucks but that has been repeated or confirmed. I imagine that there is a shortage of fire trucks all over Japan right now. I know NYC had a shortage of fire trucks after 9-11 because the city of Columbia, SC fire department took up a collection from the local red necks here and bought them one. (They cost about $500K)

We don't keep those on the shelf either (likewise big industrial grade pumps).

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:31 AM (M9Ie6)

201

Who, Ed did get mad. Only a few years overdue, IMHO.

Please note this warning.

Anyone dumb enough to use the comment threads to challenge people to fights/duels, wish death on family members of other commenters, or in general act like raging asshats and foul-mouthed children on this thread, will no longer be allowed to comment at Hot Air. DonÂ’t expect warnings or explanations, and I donÂ’t give a tinkerÂ’s dam how long you may or may not have been commenting here. Four people just found out that IÂ’m serious the hard way. IÂ’ll be glad to add a few more to that list.

Either get serious and mature or back away from your keyboards for a while.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 15, 2011 06:37 AM (XdlcF)

202

What happened to the commenting modifier buttons, e.g. bold, italic, etc? And how are yinzall getting the seperator bar from quoting other comments?

Sometimes the buttons disappear. Well, it never happens to me in IE, but sometimes does in Firefox. Restarting FF might help. Standing on one foot and chanting almost always works.

The bar appears (perhaps consistantly, but I wouldn't swear to it), when you press Enter

 

twice.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 06:39 AM (XdlcF)

203 The Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) reported an explosion in the suppression pool at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 2, at 7:14 p.m. EDT on March 14.

Now this is a problem that could occur in the US, even without a tsunami or earthquake.  Unfortunately, Harry Reid is doing every thing possible to stop the Yucca Flat permanent internment facility that the nuclear industry has paid the US government for already.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 15, 2011 06:39 AM (tvs2p)

204

LOL.

 

Appear, bar!!

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 06:40 AM (XdlcF)

205

Sometimes the buttons disappear. Well, it never happens to me in IE, but sometimes does in Firefox. Restarting FF might help. Standing on one foot and chanting almost always works.

 

How about now?

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 06:40 AM (XdlcF)

206 I blame the radiation.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 06:41 AM (XdlcF)

207 From Kyodo news:

The government is considering using Self-Defense Forces helicopters to pour water on the spent fuel pool of one of the troubled reactors at a nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture to help cool it, Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa said Tuesday.

But the measure has been put on hold because the government has had trouble assessing the potential impact it would pose to the fuel rods underwater and SDF personnel involved in such an operation, Kitazawa told reporters.

Here is my recommendation. Fly in a diesel driven pump with a capacity of at least 75 gpm at the height of the pool and through what ever length of 2.5" fire hose you are going to use. (or better yet if you have an emergency addition flange rout it there). If you use fiore hose tie a weight to the end and lower the hose into the building and use the pump to fill it.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:41 AM (M9Ie6)

208

Something I just read from a former opponent of nuclear power, now a strong proponent. I believe hes a kook warmist too, odd combination.

If JapanÂ’s nuclear power sector can withstand the worst natural calamity I hope to ever see in my life and contribute no deaths, minimal injuries and minimal environmental impact, then nuclear power must be just about the sturdiest, best designed, best managed and least dangerous infrastructure in the world. And in a world that is quickly cooking itself through climate change, nuclear power must not be allowed to suffer from the hype, headlines and hyperbole that have stemmed from this tragic event

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 15, 2011 06:42 AM (FIDMq)

209 Anyone dumb enough to use the comment threads to challenge people to fights/duels, wish death on family members of other commenters,

Everyone should know that such is now a violation of federal law since she that will not be names went into the insane mode.

Posted by: Vic at March 15, 2011 06:43 AM (M9Ie6)

211 If you're using NoScript in firefox, be sure to allow minx.cc and mu.nu, as well as llnwd.net, and mee.nu.  The buttons appear consistently on my screen with those sites allowed.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 15, 2011 06:45 AM (/2NEM)

212 Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 10:30 AM (IhHdM)

this reminded me of when my friend, the amateur meteorologist, but good though, came running to us telling us that New Orleans was going to be directly hit and they needed to "get those people out of there".   He became more and more depressed as he realized that they weren't out of there.  He was so angry when he saw a fleet of school buses and all we heard for weeks was "the mayor royally screwed up, he should have put everyone on those school buses and gotten them out, what the hell is wrong with him".  It's only recently that we learned he had been emailing everyone down there with maps and charts begging them to get the people out.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 06:47 AM (k1rwm)

213 You have shamed the company with your statement. Posted by: Dave's boss "Hai", shamefacedly walking to rad suit and starting to climb in. or "GOJIRA!", pointing over bosses shoulder and running away when he turns his head.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 06:51 AM (zfVyM)

214 "Merkel: Germany to shut down all 7 nuke plants built before 1980, will do safety tests on all reactors in wake of Japan crisis - Reuters"

It's funny, I've been reading zero hedge since it was just some guys little blog and I'm fascinated by how fast it has grown and now beck is talking about it...

If you have a chance go back to the beginning you'll understand what I mean...

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 06:54 AM (k1rwm)

215 Nope, restarting FF didn't fix it. Don't have noscript, just added adblockplus, autopage and smoothscroll last night. It seems to be eating all returns too so you'll have to eye edit my riposte into a quote & 2 possible replies.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 06:56 AM (zfVyM)

216 I have never used Autopage or smoothscroll, so I'm at a loss.  o.O  Never heard of those ones, actually.  I think I'll go check them out.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 15, 2011 06:57 AM (/2NEM)

217 "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrives in Egypt to support transition from Mubarak's rule, her first visit since he was ousted - AFP"

I've asked my friends, now I'll ask you guys:  so who exactly is she tehre supporting?

the bald nuclear guy mohammed something?, the muslim brotherhood?  who?

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 06:58 AM (k1rwm)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 07:02 AM (penCf)

219

the muslim brotherhood

Hillary is just barely lessed impressed with the Brotherhood than our esteemed Palestinian in Chief.

I wonder if she'll remind them just how 'Jewish' she is / was as a hopeful Senator.. 

 

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2011 07:03 AM (AV46a)

220 It's funny, I've been reading zero hedge since it was just some guys little blog and I'm fascinated by how fast it has grown and now beck is talking about it...




I know, right?!

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 07:03 AM (penCf)

221 #233  All I know is that the Youth Movement faction refused to meet with her due to her initial pro-Mubarak comments.

I don't understand what the point of that is, though.  I suspicion it might be because she is a woman,  more than the Mubarak thing.  And that would mean that the more radical elements are running the Youth Movement.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 15, 2011 07:05 AM (Fo83G)

222

Scientists make new urethras for 5 boys

 

Do you think they have any extras? 

I could use a new Silly Straw.

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 15, 2011 07:05 AM (AV46a)

223 Meanwhile, isn't it time for a hydrogen flaring system vs. the current don't make any & then blow up when that doesn't work system. Low vis flame vs. Blammo.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 07:06 AM (zfVyM)

224 What time does Barky tee-off today?

Posted by: Sarahs With Me at March 15, 2011 07:06 AM (MWXXs)

225 the bald nuclear guy mohammed something?, the muslim brotherhood?  who?Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 10:58 AM (k1rwm)

Soros' interests and those of bearded lesbian communists.

Little does she know...

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 07:06 AM (HBqDo)

226 Hmm beck just said "my home in NY".  I know he said he moved, he used to live in CT so now I'm wondering if he moved to NY where hannity and rupert live or where bill o lives or he struck out on his own to westchester.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:10 AM (k1rwm)

227 Interesting times, very interesting. 

Posted by: That Stupid "Ancient Chinse Curse" at March 15, 2011 07:12 AM (sOtz/)

228 6.4 quake in Japan, on land.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at March 15, 2011 07:12 AM (azrS2)

229

I'm wondering if he moved to NY where hannity and rupert live or where bill o lives or he struck out on his own to westchester.

You couldn't give me a house on Long Island if I could afford one in Northern Westchester.. 

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 15, 2011 07:15 AM (AV46a)

230 Posted by: Barney Frank at March 15, 2011 11:15 AM (AV46a)

I think it's a matter of whether or not you love the ocean and actually being on an island (hannity, o'really, rupert, billy joel, j lo) or you like being on terra firma and close to the bronx zoo but they say travel from westchester by car is much easier than from long island.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:17 AM (k1rwm)

231 The more the GOP farts speak against Palin, the more I like her.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at March 15, 2011 07:18 AM (azrS2)

232

Looking at the front page of Drudge or Fox News I don't think I can recall such a melange of bad news.  Obama doing his brackets.  WTF?! 

 

Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 07:21 AM (sOtz/)

233 Your formatting also shames the company.

Posted by: Dave's boss at March 15, 2011 07:22 AM (7H/n0)

234 Shit happens, then you really get boned.

Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 15, 2011 11:19 AM (IhHdM)

The problem with government trying to do many things the private sector traditionally does is that it hamstrings the government doing things it must do.  Forget what year, but I made that point on my old blog.  The latest science has proven natural disasters like earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, and even impacts from space are a lot more threatening than people imagined even thirty years ago. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 07:23 AM (sOtz/)

235 Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 11:21 AM (sOtz/)

he's the sign of leo I think, leos don't give up their lives, social or otherwise for their jobs.  GWB gave up his, even carter gave up his, clinton not so much, same with BO.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:25 AM (k1rwm)

236 Did Jane's son get out of Tokyo?

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 07:26 AM (XdlcF)

237 Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (MMC8r)

but I read an article that they are built on the coast precisely so they can put water into them in case of an emergency

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:26 AM (k1rwm)

238

 Obama doing his brackets. 

Everyone had been joking about him doing that. And now he really is. Wow.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 07:29 AM (XdlcF)

239

Everyone had been joking about him doing that. And now he really is. Wow.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 11:29 AM (XdlcF)

Seems that would be such a distraction out on the links, or is he at the 19th hole?

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 15, 2011 07:34 AM (FIDMq)

240

Speaking of Caesar, Obama is doing his best Nero impersonation.

Someone give that man a fiddle. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 07:34 AM (sOtz/)

241

This is where he looks like a much, much worse politician than B. Clinton. Bill would have cared emoted convincingly.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 07:38 AM (XdlcF)

242 last week i read something on the tabloid blogs about monica still being in love with bill and I thought to myself "where is hillary?" can you imagine reading that and wondering if something has been newly rekindled?  and then I came here and read a post by someone about how they think hillary is going to be the next prez challenging BO and I thought, "ah it makes sense, make hill/bill get nervous"

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:42 AM (k1rwm)

243 Brackets? You mean for fucking basketball? I am nobody housewife and i am have a difficult time focusing on frivolous things at the moment. Does he have any sense? Any?

Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 07:44 AM (TiURi)

244 He's going to Rio?  Isn't carnivale over?

I mean other blogs are in hysterical meltdown over the radiation coming to America and people are saying scary stuff and then we find out he and the family are going to South America?   shouldn't he be staying here to calm down all the people with geiger counters in cities on the west coast who are hysterically commenting all over the net?

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:47 AM (k1rwm)

245 "Hai", shamefacedly walking to rad suit and starting to climb in. or "GOJIRA!", pointing over bosses shoulder and running away when he turns his head.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 10:51 AM (zfVyM)

No, Dave, I think a proper apology is called for.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 15, 2011 07:48 AM (QgI7g)

246 Is Glenn Beck all in the can?  Before every segment they say "previously on Glenn Beck".  It sure sounded like they were live earlier so what happened?  The NY station broadcasts him but you can't get him on their "listen live" link so I can't figure out if he is live over the air and not on his feed?

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:52 AM (k1rwm)

247 So after picking his favorite teams, the first family is heading to Brasil? You are just making this shit up? No president could be this clueless.

Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 07:52 AM (TiURi)

248 Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 11:52 AM (TiURi)

It's on drudge and there isn't an article out there without one comment, no matter what the subject, just like the one you just typed.

Of course, the nutsey blogs have him "bugging out" along with Glenn Beck but other places people are regular folks just slightly shocked. 

The financial blogs note that petrobas in in brazil.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 07:54 AM (k1rwm)

249 Is Glenn Beck all in the can?
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 11:52 AM (k1rwm)

Won't you give the poor man 5 minutes of privacy?


Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 07:57 AM (HBqDo)

250 Is Glenn Beck all in the can?

Let him out before he smothers!

Posted by: snicker at March 15, 2011 07:58 AM (GTbGH)

251 No president could be this clueless.
Posted by: Long island at March 15, 2011 11:52 AM (TiURi)

You have an excellent sense of humor.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 07:59 AM (HBqDo)

252 "President checks out:  focus on b ball brackets"

It's a politico link via drudge

Becks show appears to be in a loop just repeating the same stuff every hour, it's odd, where did they go?

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:00 AM (k1rwm)

253

That "Radiation Levels Soar" AP article at Drudge goes on for 20 or so paragraphs without stating the actual radiation levels in units.

I guess they are following the Islamic terrorism something happened to someone for some strange reason template. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 08:01 AM (sOtz/)

254 DJIA flattening out at about -200.   Let's see if there is a 2o'clock money dump.

Posted by: toby928™: Popular Front for the Liberation of Wisconsin at March 15, 2011 08:01 AM (GTbGH)

255 where did they go?
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 12:00 PM (k1rwm)

Step away from the Men's Room door.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 08:02 AM (HBqDo)

256 yeah, Obama helped send some deepwater rigs out of the gulf to Brazil ... and sends them a couple billion to drill twice as deep there (than in the gulf).  Somehow it is safe for them, not for U.S.

Barry is probably meeting Soros there ... it's a business trip.  They're plotting on how to send more U.S. assets out of the country.  Soros will have another $50 million to spend on Barry's 2012 campaign.

Viva la revolucion!

Posted by: bill at March 15, 2011 08:02 AM (D6qOQ)

257 It sort of upsetting to hear ABC radio news saying "people have been warned to seal themselves indoors"...I think seal is the operative word and I wonder what constitutes "seal"

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:03 AM (k1rwm)

258 I wonder what constitutes "seal"
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 12:03 PM (k1rwm)

Um, Heidi Klum

Posted by: ontherocks at March 15, 2011 08:04 AM (HBqDo)

260 I wonder what constitutes "seal"

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 12:03 PM (k1rwm)

"Crazy" seems appropriate. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 15, 2011 08:06 AM (sOtz/)

261 I'm thinking the Japan Market recovered a little at the end, maybe as things looked a little less bleak at the reactors.  US market might recover if "Meltdown" reaction is done.

Of course the US market has plenty of other problems, so this could just be an excuse to get a move lower started.  I still think the last DOW lows will be tested.  But all the money printing means it could melt up ... but in worthless dollars.

The idea that they are really going to crash the dollar seems too surreal for me to accept, but it sure seems like what they are doing.

Posted by: bill at March 15, 2011 08:09 AM (D6qOQ)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:09 AM (penCf)

263 Rush just said about Marco Rubio: Wish the damn guy -whoops- guy would just run for President

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:11 AM (penCf)

264

I just looked at those pics that Ben linked to in the side-bar. I knew it was bad, very bad, but seeing the level of destruction at an eye level view, with NaGeo quality photos, really hits home.

Just two observations. Imagine if this had hit in the summer. The smell alone, from everything, would just be so overwhelming that I'm not sure anyone could cope.

Second, if finding bodies amounted to gold nuggets, I think anyone searching would be very rich in a very short while.

Posted by: HH at March 15, 2011 08:12 AM (6oDXl)

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:13 AM (penCf)

266 Join the seal club. Everyone in Canada has.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 15, 2011 08:14 AM (7H/n0)

267 Israel says weapons on seized ship were bound for Gaza

The Israeli navy intercepts a cargo ship 200 miles off its coast in what is believed to be the largest such arms seizure since November 2009.

The Israeli navy on Tuesday intercepted a Liberian-flagged cargo ship in the Mediterranean Sea that it said was carrying weapons destined for Palestinian militants in the Gaza

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:14 AM (penCf)

268 BBC is reporting that "cooling water levels are recovering."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 15, 2011 08:15 AM (LH6ir)

269 We will look back to the decline of the country and world and one name will stand out.

Jimmy fucking Carter.

His abandonment of the shah is a gift that is still changing the world, 50 years later.

Check out the latest results of "Jimmy", warning NY Times link.

http://tinyurl.com/4mbeytr

Posted by: Kemp at March 15, 2011 08:17 AM (JpFM9)

270 256

 Obama doing his brackets. 

Everyone had been joking about him doing that. And now he really is. Wow.

Posted by: Mama AJ, AoS Help Desk at March 15, 2011 11:29 AM (XdlcF)

Let him do his brackets, it's the one thing he can do if he fucks up, no one gets hurt.

There is no reason to worry about anything else less important, like the free world.


Posted by: Kemp at March 15, 2011 08:20 AM (JpFM9)

271 Something to think about RE: radiation:

This is not an explosion, which means that the radiation will be exponentially less.

However, there were two nuclear explosions in Japan that killed millions.

Weather moves west to east. The radiation from WWII moved to North America. Radiation from explosions.

Here is my question: how many individuals in the US/ Canada died from radiation exposure? Those were serious radiation levels. Yet I don't recall hearing anything about anyone in North America dying from a cloud of radioactivity that traveled across the ocean.

So... if scary bomb radiation did not kill anyone here, why should radiation that is much, much, MUCH lower cause any concern?

Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2011 08:22 AM (OKZrE)

272 I have seen this in just about every political article in the MSM about Obama.  It is almost like they either 1) want to warn Repub they need money without coming out and telling the Pubs cuz the WH would not like that ...or...2) they want the Repubs to start freaking out and begging for donors so they can publish article after article about how the Repubs are in the hands of big business donors, etc.

PS.  Haley Barbour's stump speech (?) (his Pres. platform)at the link as welll

Obama's a billion-dollar 2012 presidential campaign

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:23 AM (penCf)

273 Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2011 12:22 PM (OKZrE)

because, according to I man, it's not a "normal radiation cloud"...it would be some super duper cloud called MOX.

I'm still doing research of this to try and figure out what is true and what isn't.  Not even beck is being honest.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:25 AM (k1rwm)

274 Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 12:23 PM (penCf)

I personally won't give them a penny.  Their behavior lately has been as bad, if not worse than the dems.  They are breaking all of their promises to de fund obama care and now rush is playing a clip where someone said yesterday that this is single payor and it is being delayed.  So according to Rush, the left is making no secret that their objective is single payor, you don't keep your coverage, you don't keep your doctor unless you are a union, the political class, one of the elites, a company who pays for a waiver. 

The republicans have really blown it big time and problem is they are so busy playing nice with the dems they looked stupider than I thought they were.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:28 AM (k1rwm)

275 Why didn't we hear much about Biden's trip to Russia? 

Ohhh, I know!  He was lait, he f*cked up names, etc.  Plus, he labeled the 'speech' Building On The Reset.  You really can't make this shit up:

Oh, about Russia: The vice president first apologized for being late again (he kept the Finnish president waiting too the other day). Biden said he didn't need to tell anyone there but he did anyway that when he and Barack took over 780 days ago U.S.-Russia relations were at "a fairly low point that had accumulated over the previous eight years." And we all know what that means even without the B word.

The O-B team saw need for a "reset" (see large sign in top photo) in relations. And now Obama has met President Dmitry Medvedev a dozen times. The countries cooperate in many areas. Biden had some very long meetings.

And the U.S. vice president cited Russian polls showing that Russians who think positively about the United States have increased from 17% to 60% under the Obama-Biden administration.

"Our goal," the American politician proudly proclaimed of Obama's approval in Russia, "is to have it continue to climb."


Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:29 AM (penCf)

276 289 However, there were two nuclear explosions in Japan that killed millions.

Weather moves west to east. The radiation from WWII moved to North America. Radiation from explosions.

Here is my question: how many individuals in the US/ Canada died from radiation exposure? Those were serious radiation levels. Yet I don't recall hearing anything about anyone in North America dying from a cloud of radioactivity that traveled across the ocean.
_________

You don't have to go as far as the explosions in Japan if you're curious about downwinders.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (NmR1a)

277

So... if scary bomb radiation did not kill anyone here, why should radiation that is much, much, MUCH lower cause any concern?

Good question, however, in the years after that there was quite a number of above ground nuke tests, including of course Hydrogen Bombs.

So I doubt there is any way to get a handle on that kind of data.

Plus you had a majority of people who smoked. So was cancer caused by radiation, smoking, or just inevidable?

Who knows?

Posted by: HH at March 15, 2011 08:30 AM (6oDXl)

278 Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 12:29 PM (penCf)

so they sent joe to russia to be closer to the radiation and BO is going down to Rio to be further away.

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:31 AM (k1rwm)

279 Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 12:28 PM (k1rwm)

I am going to give them some time.  I think that the 'established' Republicans are publically saying one thing, then allowing Rubio, etc. to take the 'opposition' role in order to gain momentum for the Presidential elections.

Right now we have no one, but if Rubio 'stand ups to the old white GOP leaders' he will most likely gain the support of not just Conservatives, but Independents as well.

I think it is more strategy then 'truth'.

Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:32 AM (penCf)

280 Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 12:32 PM (penCf)

last night levin asked him straight out if he would run for president and he gave the christie speech.

i think he so frustrated levin

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:34 AM (k1rwm)

281

Wow.  Another LATimes Obama - slacker story:


President Obama's been way too busy to get his hands dirty in the broken down budget-cutting talks that Joe Biden was too busy overseas to lead. So the next federal spending deadline is Friday. And two weeks after that. And....

Obama's been busy not deciding to do much on the Libyan mess, which was what....

...he decided not to do during the Iranian uprising 19 months ago. He's also been calling for a whole bunch of things, among them domestic energy independence, as if he hadn't imposed drilling moratoriums and been president these last 783 days.

School reform. He'll call for more of that today during yet another visit to Virginia and what have become the most-presidential-visited schools in the country due to their White House proximity.

The Democrat hasn't visited a Virginia school since last week when he took Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard for a history class photo op.

Obama also boldly took on bullying last week, calling on Americans to join him 100% against those who take advantage of others who are weaker. No, not Col. Kadafi's planes erasing rebel insurgents with rockets. But schoolyard bullies back home. Think Scott Farkas.

School reform is part of Obama's spending program that isn't really spending; it's investment.


Posted by: momma at March 15, 2011 08:38 AM (penCf)

282 291 Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2011 12:22 PM (OKZrE)

because, according to I man, it's not a "normal radiation cloud"...it would be some super duper cloud called MOX.

I'm still doing research of this to try and figure out what is true and what isn't.  Not even beck is being honest.


I wouldn't trust Imus on anything scientific. Isn't he anti-vaccine?

Posted by: Long Time Lurker at March 15, 2011 08:39 AM (TiURi)

283 Not for anything but while they are saying "everything is ok, don't worry" Fox is now demonstrating a geiger counter.

Maybe morons/moronettes should start talking about what to do now?

Posted by: curious at March 15, 2011 08:51 AM (k1rwm)

284 I don't doubt that there will be people impacted in Japan by radiation. And that in the past, people living downwind of certain areas have had negative health consequences.

From what I've read, right now there are 400 millisieverts being released at one of the reactors in Japan.

Here is some info that I found on Bloomberg re: radiation:

One hundred millisieverts a year is the lowest level at which any increase in cancer is clearly evident. Above this, the probability of cancer occurrence increases with higher doses.

A cumulative dose of 1,000 millisieverts would increase the incidence of fatal cancer by about 5 percent. A single dose of 1,000 millisieverts causes temporary radiation sickness and decreased white blood cell count, but not death. A single dose of 5,000 millisieverts would kill about half those receiving it within a month.

It seems to me that indeed, there is a lot of hysteria going on, especially in the US.

Posted by: shibumi at March 15, 2011 08:58 AM (OKZrE)

285 However, there were two nuclear explosions in Japan that killed millions. A few hundred thousand tops. The invasion would've killed millions. See, 2 orders of magnitude is a big deal. The Fukushima wreck isn't even close to Chernobyl size yet (actual prayers & best wishes for the guys on scene), let alone a real A-bomb.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 09:04 AM (zfVyM)

286 No, Dave, I think a proper apology is called for. Posted by: Ace's liver Going off for a nap when my comment gets replies only adds to my profound lack of AoSHQ spirit. Alas, FF is now so broke the link won't play. I shall atone by taking the cats for a walk and making lunch.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 09:07 AM (zfVyM)

287 Which is why I'm about 'this close' to saying it's about time to cement them the hell into the ground. You CAN'T cement it over. They need passive cooling from the continuing normal decay of the fuel and Pu will self ignite in air like sodium does. The pool is just a pool, they just have to pour water in faster than it's leaking (presumably something broke in either the quake or the H2 explosion) out. The reactor vessels aka primary containments (which are all still holding right?) do need much higher volume and pressure for cooling the much hotter secondary radiation of the fission breakdown products left in the core.

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 09:21 AM (zfVyM)

288 All the news outlets seem determined to "out-sensationalize" their competition.  As with the BP oil spill, most of the damage is from over-reaction by the media and the government.

Never let a crisis go to waste, the left has twice as many activists on the news propagandizing, than actual nuke engineers giving facts.  So we'll delay or eliminate more nuke plants, and do more damage to our economy and freedom.  This won't stop China from building 20 more nukes, but our layers and activists will make sure no private enterprise wants to bother.

But 81% on the FOX poll said our nukes are safe, continue with building them. (though the talking head wrongly said 81% said maybe, in his tease.  sheesh)  Still, the minority and their lawyers and union power run the show here.

Posted by: bill at March 15, 2011 09:23 AM (D6qOQ)

289 You need to get a grip.

Chernobyl was massively WORSE than this (even a worst-case scenario that hasn't happened) and we're all still here along with European and Russian wheat and vegetables.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 15, 2011 09:25 AM (7H/n0)

290

Everything works in IE including the buttons but dropping all add-ons, personas, re-installing flash player didn't fix FF.  That'll take some work this aft.

 

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 09:44 AM (zfVyM)

291 Citation, please, Downscale....   What were the epidemic levels, where, and who measured them?     NOT in Poland, I venture to say., but around Chernobyl, where exposure to radioactivity from many sources, not just iodine, was very high.

Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2011 09:46 AM (CfQ+e)

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 10:16 AM (zfVyM)

293

!@#$%^ long string bitch.

They mini-nuked Chernobyl so yes bunches of the core blew thru the roof in chunks, then left as smoke in the days long fire.  The rest melted into the basement.  Fukushima just Hindeburg'd the roofs.  No core explosion, no fire, and no uncontained melting.  There's no need to cement it in and no way to get cement in even if you'd want to. 

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 10:21 AM (zfVyM)

294

Downscale, my point was that the info you cite seems to imply that areas of POLAND that didn't get KI had "epidemic levels" of thyroid cancer, and there's no evidence of that.  

See this abstact of the article cited on Poland:

http://tinyurl.com/4ekbmy4

Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2011 10:42 AM (CfQ+e)

295

DU, keep up the posts - you're a laugh a minute (as long as everyone realizes you're as serious as a Clown)...

Posted by: Jess at March 15, 2011 10:42 AM (cNHhh)

296 Casey don't need no motherfucking bat!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 15, 2011 11:00 AM (JKe0g)

297

-Dogeza-

I love this place.  That'd probably blow a kneecap out for me.  And I'd never get back up with a respirator on my back.

Beats Franki Sakai as Lord Yabu with the knife incident.  Couldn't find Shogun on YouTube.  Here he is drumming 50 pounds ago, he was a comic.

http: //tinyurl.com/ 4kedbb3

Posted by: Dave at March 15, 2011 11:27 AM (zfVyM)

298 Poor widdle youtube doesn't like vids of bullies getting their cum-uppance.

Posted by: rockhead at March 15, 2011 11:52 AM (RykTt)

299

for hosenpisser downscale, from the IAEA website:

"tokyo Electric Power Co. said that an oil leak in a cooling water pump at Unit 4 was the cause of a fire that burned for approximately 140 minutes. The fire was not in the spent fuel pool, as reported by several media outlets. Unit 4 was in a 105-day-long maintenance outage at the time of the earthquake and there is no fuel in the reactor"

 

Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2011 02:01 PM (CfQ+e)

300 Anyone else notice in the ABC story that the "GE Scientists" complaining about the faulty design of the Japanese reactor just happen, coincidentally, to be anti-nuclear activists

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