1

There are no headlines, only Vic and Google.

 

2 I quite enjoy saying "I told you so"!

3 I don't mind saying "I told you! Sew!"

4 Morning,  morons.

In case you missed it,  Reuters reported last night that Brennan's statement that bin Laden used a woman as a human shield had been said to be untrue by other White House people.   (I guess they realize that the Intelligence Committee people were going to get a look at those videos,  even if we never do.)

Also,  Diane Sawyer says that now, Americans have "hope."

AND,  Ultersman has a little tidbit about how we have known about that safe house for NINE MONTHS,  and the Insider guy says Daly and CLinton were the ones who pushed for doing something.

That's my morning internet synopsis.

5 Yes, we knew about that safe house since August.  That doesn't mean we knew bin Laden was in it. 

Intelligence people had to identify the courier(s), and watch their movements in and out. Not easy when all you've got is a drone and no assets on the ground as has been reported.

6 #7  I would like a little bit more in explanation.  Originally they made it sound like they followed the courier to the safe house, indicating that they had only known about the safe house for a few weeks.

I guess that fell by the wayside along with the "it happened a week ago" story,  and the "woman used as a human shield" story,  and the "house was bombed" story,  etc.

I prefer clarity.  And they had better get those pictures out today,  because the Arabs are already concocting conspiracy theories.

7 It didn't happen. There are no pictures.

8 It would be no revelation to say that many will claim OBL has been dead for years, and that we've just seen a dumb-show to fluff up the poll numbers. But try this on for size: Trump's onslaught may have triggered a search of Paki immigration records that revealed something-something about a visitor's passport some years ago, and it became politically necessary to poison their well as it were.  Certainly very few in the US would believe an ISI news release about old student visas at this point.  Bonus. Cui bono.

Somewhere in this great land is a much-maligned Humanities course in Comparative Religion that teaches what Muslim burial practices really are. But this country is led by engineers! who would never lower themselves to speak with those people! And now they're saying Wha?

9

A nice song to hear when you are waking up

Also, check out the ukelele cover in the sidebar

 

English Naval Officer: "You're the WORST pirate I've ever heard of!"

Captain Jack Sparrow: "But you HAVE heard of me!"

10 I'm just chillin' with Elvis and Bruce Lee.

11 Secret Prisons and Harsh Interrogation Techniques Worked, who knew? Of course with these things bragging about your victories sabotages future success.
Too bad that the left is more familiar with sabotage than success.

12

Good news, everyone!  EPA to Use New Regulations to Prohibit Hydraulic Fracturing?

Sacred honor compels me to add the question mark at the end, but I can guarandamntee it's gonna happen.

13 Considering 100% of the information released by this administration is spun or twisted to their agendas on some level and the MFM complicity and connections, I'll reserve judgment on any of this Bin Laden horse shit until the alternative media has its collective way with it.

14 I prefer clarity.  And they had better get those pictures out today,  because the Arabs are already concocting conspiracy theories.

They'll conjure up conspiracy theories regardless, as that is their stock in trade. 

15

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to convert back to Christianity

Abe Foxman of the ADL demands "holocaust" and "Nazi" references to be reserved  only for attacking Republicans

16 It's funny, everything else the Muslims blame on the Jews.  But they aren't willing to say 'Jews killed Osama,' strangely enough.

17 Romney's apparently using the patented Fred Thompson Strategy

18 I hate to say, "I Told You Mo!"

19

A tax on political power?  Maybe at the old Bush rates-- 35%

Turns a $3.8T budget into a $2.5T budget in one easy step.

 

20 They are apparently "thinking about" releasing a photo of the "burial at sea."

Like a white bundle dumped in the drink will prove anything.

21 They should start taxing the Federal Government. Makes as much sense as a business tax.

22 American Thinker has a piece contrasting the adults of the Right to the children of the Left, and recent events.

23 Interesting. 

U.S. closes its embassy, consulates in Pak till further notice

The U.S. on Tuesday closed its embassy and consulates in Pakistan to the general public until further notice, a day after American special forces killed al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in a daring raid near the garrison city of Abbottabad.

While the stated reason for these closures is fear of reprisals after bin Laden's death, one cannot help but wonder if this is some form of quiet retaliation for the Pakis protecting him for so long.

24 Strange that Obama orchestrated this hoax so far from the election. An act of desperation.

25 The Birther fiasco wasn't nearly enough for some people, I see.

26 The confusion and paucity of details will create a Troofers movement.  Except there is no steel in this one.  Instead there will be remakes of John Brown's body in the name of Osama bin Laden.

27 Posted by: Truman North
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Too damned early for debates anyway.  When I become king, I'm going to pass a law that you can't start campaigning until 6 months before elections.  Oh wait..

28 Strange that Obama orchestrated this hoax so far from the election. An act of desperation. Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (qIHlG) Seriously?

29 So after last night's events have come to light, with this 'Go It Alone' mentality and a certain brand of 'Cowboy Diplomacy', how does the world feel about the U.S.?

30 They are apparently "thinking about" releasing a photo of the "burial at sea."

Like a white bundle dumped in the drink will prove anything.
Posted by: Miss Marple
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No amount of evidence will "prove" anything to some people.  Even if they produced a body, would you know for sure it's bin Laden??

I trust our men and women in uniform.  And, there had to be hundreds of military and intelligence people involved with this by the time he ended up dumped in the ocean.  It is much easier to believe it is true than a hoax, to be honest.

31 "I told you doe....a deer, a female deer..."

32 Jesus people.  Yes, Osama bin Laden is dead, but asking for a photo of the goddamn body isn't unreasonable.

33 Bacon is $7.00 per pound now. Soon you won't be able to buy gas so you can go to the grocery store to stare at bacon you can't afford to buy.

34 What more does this nation have to hear?

Posted by: iknowtheleft

for some, it will NEVER change their mind and you know it. Hell, Satan could run as a Dem, and provide proof that's satan, and I know some D's that would vote for him because "he can't be as bad as a Repub."

35 Feds creating genetically-modified potatoes

36 But last week, releasing his long form bc was one of the gutsiest calls ever made by a president in history. So, you know, he just keeps making the gutsiest calls. He may even be thinking of asking Michelle for the key to the safe where she keeps his balls. Slow down Mr. Gutsy! One step at a time.

37 "...because the Arabs are already concocting conspiracy theories."

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 03, 2011 07:22 AM (Fo83G)

The Arabs always see conspiracies, regardless of the facts. Hell, many in the Arab world think that Israel or the U.S. was responsible for 9/11.

Facts won't convince them.

38 Also, Barky said that America "will never be at war with islam". Has America not had enough of this third world, muslim-raised retard, yet? What more does this nation have to hear? Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:00 AM (G/MYk) The usual propaganda lines of not being at war with Islam are just that. Giving the asshole a "proper funeral" after we invaded his lair and shot him in the face is a fine bit of mockery and contempt. It says, "Where's your big badass Allah now, bitches?"

39 Speaking of shit I hate, can someone help a brother spin the Canadian election news into a win for Obama?

40 So Diane Sawyer says we now have hope, eh?...let's not forget we also have $4.25/g gasoline....yee-hah.

41 Apparently the raid wasn't as stealthy as we might be inclined to think as this tweet indicates:

Sohaib Athar began tweeting messages about one in the morning local time complaining about helicopters hovering and than a window-rattling blast.

His series of messages at Twitter told of a helicopter crash, a family dying, and Pakistani military swarming the area.

"I am just a tweeter, awake at the time of the crash," he said in a Twitter message at 06:30 GMT on Monday.

"Uh oh, now I'm the guy who live-blogged the Osama raid without knowing it," he tweeted after connecting president Obama's announcement to what was taking place in his neighborhood.

Which makes this possible explanation more believable.

42 Which makes this possible explanation more believable. Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 08:08 AM (HBqDo) How so?

43 Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (G/MYk)

I agree that the body should have been treated just like any other. Take the DNA for identification, then toss the remains overboard. None of this ritual washing and other assorted crap. As I mentioned yesterday, it is my most fervent wish that a few of the less reverent sailors involved gave the body a urine shower with bacon sprinkles. I find it difficult to believe that there was much solemnity during the preparations.

44 Is it me? Or is it getting hot in here?

45 It's funny, everything else the Muslims blame on the Jews.  But they aren't willing to say 'Jews killed Osama,' strangely enough.

Yeah, but they are saying that it was Jooo science that found him.  You know, electronics and the like. 

Take note of the satellite dishes on the roof of his compound.

46 #34  I am not doubting he is dead at all.  And of course,  I trust our military.

What I am objecting to is the amateurish way this is being handled, with all sorts of revisions and delays and tap-dancing for NO NEED.

When Saddam was captured,  there was a photo put out when it was announced.  Brenner stood there with big blow-ups so that the iraqis could see it was,  indeed,  Saddam.

When Saddam's two sons were shot and killed,  they put out pictures almost imediately so that the Iraqis (who were rightly terrified of the pair) could rest assured that they were DEAD.

Why in the name of all that's holy they do not just release the dang pictures I do not understand.  Maybe Obama just likes to yank everyone's chain,  like he did with the birth certificate.  It's not very presidential,  if that is the case.

And I think it is a major blunder in dealing with the Arabs.  But then,  what do I know?

47 A Jooish woman killed the child molester mohamed.

48

Whoever came up with the idea of giving bin laden full muslim burial honors and then disposing of the body within hours of announcing his death needs to go, and to go quickly.  This was one of the most asinine acts done yet in this War on Terror, that we fight with both hands tied behind our back.  And every idiot who praises the stupidity of giving the waste of flesh, bin laden, any burial honors, at all, must go, too.  I cannot think of anything dumber than submitting to our dead enemies and prostrating ourselves in front of our current enemies.

It's been done before.  To wit:

No. 3 Squadron, Australian Flying Corps, gave Manfred Von Richthofen (The Red Baron) a full military funeral in April, 1918.  Complete with a guard of honor, rifle salute, and memorial wreaths.

Whither shall I go, being an idiot?

49 >>How so?
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (p2AIq)

If the Pakki's were swarming the area after letting the choppers in through their radar, it seems like they were running a charade response. 
We not only had no casualties but it doesn't seem we were pursued with any conviction.

50 I still can't believe that they disposed of the body, with full honors, hours after announcing his death on TV.  I've never heard of such a thing.
Posted by: iknowtheleft
...........
Who ever said "full honors"??  See?  This is the way this shit starts... no one ever said they gave him full honors.  Apparently, they adhered minimally to Islamic tradition.  The body was washed and "buried" within 24 hours of death.

Better that he's fish food. WTF are we gonna do with a body?  put it on display?  What's your suggestion?

51 I still can't believe that they disposed of the body, with full honors, hours after announcing his death on TV.  I've never heard of such a thing.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (G/MYk)

This is the left's sensitivity gone mad. In their hierarchy, those who hate America are the most respected; why shouldn't they receive the honors that the left denies our soldiers?

By the way, I learned my hatred of these people in Berkeley. Where were you exposed?

52

ontherocks,

The Pakistanis and the TB are tied together, but AQ is very much a secondary player in this conflict.  Yes, UBL brings in money and support from the Arab world, but I don't doubt for a second that the elements of ISI and TB who knew where he was were involved in getting this information out.  The Pakistanis are making a push to expand their influence in Afghanistan and drive out American influence.  Expect to see an increase in the pace of 'reconcilliation' between TB groups and GIRoA, largely supported by Pakistan. 

53 Count de Monet,  The Red Baron was considered an honorable opponent,  not a sneaky and brutal terrorist who killed civilians.  Big difference.

54 Why in the name of all that's holy they do not just release the dang pictures I do not understand. Maybe Obama just likes to yank everyone's chain, like he did with the birth certificate. It's not very presidential, if that is the case. And I think it is a major blunder in dealing with the Arabs. But then, what do I know? Posted by: Miss Marple at May 03, 2011 08:17 AM (Fo83G) I think they are too graphic in two ways. One, the head is exploded and this will cause much freaking out. Two, the head is exploded and this will cause much Area 51 bullshit.

55

Can someone put me to some knowledge? I want to start off by stating explicitly that I am not trying to start a conspiracy theory here. I just wanted something cleared up.

I keep hearing that the OBL ID was confirmed through DNA testing. It's my understanding that getting test results takes days. And since, from what I hear, we didn't have any OBL DNA already to make any comparisons with, so DNA from his sister was used.

However, she was only a half-sister and therefore there are fewer markers they would have in common...so they probabilities for a postive ID would be decidedly lower.

Could they do a testing in a matter of hours? Would they even have the capability in this situation over there in that situation.  If they had to send it off somewhere, that would have taken time too. So what gives?

Anyone have any knowledge on this stuff?

56 Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 08:20 AM (HBqDo) Reports are the helos were stealthy to radar. It's not a surprise a neighbor would hear the helos and gunfire and then report nearby Paki forces swarming the compound after the raid.

57 #63  A nurse friend of mine says the delays in DNA testing are due to the back-up in the labs.  For OBL,  he went to the head of the line and therefore it was accomplished quickly.

58

I keep hearing that the OBL ID was confirmed through DNA testing. It's my understanding that getting test results takes days. And since, from what I hear, we didn't have any OBL DNA already to make any comparisons with, so DNA from his sister was used.

I heard several family members, not just sister.

Secondly, DNA testing takes time because it has to go to a lab with a certain kind of microscope. If you have that on hand, it's quick. Probably a matter of 30 minutes.

59 #63 A nurse friend of mine says the delays in DNA testing are due to the back-up in the labs. For OBL, he went to the head of the line and therefore it was accomplished quickly. Posted by: Miss Marple at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (Fo83G) Yes, most analytical tests take very little time. It takes time to get to that sample, is all.

60 Did they put some panties on his head before they dropped him in the drink? Inquiring minds and all.

61

Whither shall I go, being an idiot?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2011 08:17 AM (XBM1t)

Stick around, but stop using silly examples. Richtofen was an honorable man, who strictly obeyed the rules of war as they were understood by both sides. He was honored as a soldier who respected those whom he fought.

I know that I shall meet my fate

Somewhere among the clouds above;

Those that I fight I do not hate,

Those that I guard I do not love;

62 99.9 is not very high. Usually much higher in court.

63 Does this have anything to do with the Chinese launching missiles off the California coast?

64 If Afghanistan ends soon we know a deal was made.

65 99.9 is not very high. Usually much higher in court. Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:28 AM (qIHlG) I definitely want you on my jury.

66

Is it just my observation, or do all the Third World "luxury" residences I've seen look like someplace we would store old paint cans?

67 I suspect release of the pictures being delayed is they are waiting to see reaction from the Muslim world on the death of bin Laden.  They probably didn't want to inflame nutsy Muzzies..  But, yesterday was pretty quiet as far as I can tell.  Maybe we'll see something today..

And for those of you who would say "Who cares?", well I would agree.. but there are tens of thousands of Americans abroad who could potentially be in real danger.  All those things must be considered.

68 I think we can safely assume, that aboard a modern aircraft carrier, DNA testing could be handled in a timely manner.

69 Who ever said "full honors"?? 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 03, 2011 08:20 AM (Do52

What do you think an official muslim burial according to "islamic tradition" is - at least the current Western idea of it?  Full muslim honors.  It's pathetic.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (G/MYk)

Yeah, a rinse and a heave ho over the side is "full muslim honors", just like Arafat got.

It's over and done.  Can't do a thing about it or change it.  OBL's body got minimal respect.

70 If Afghanistan ends soon we know a deal was made. Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (qIHlG) And if it doesn't we know somebody backed out of the deal.

71 If Afghanistan ends soon we know a deal was made.
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (qIHlG)


And if it doesn't we know somebody backed out of the deal.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 08:31 AM (p2AIq)

Well, if it does or doesn't, something is going on!!!

/s ;o)

72 "...a certain kind of microscope."
Posted by: energy prices will skyrocket at May 03, 2011 08:25 AM (XXFBW)

They don't use microscopes for DNA comparisons. They use a technique called PCR to amplify the DNA, then they compare certain parts of the DNA (most of it is identical in humans) to a known sample. It's pretty much automated now, and doesn't take long.

73 I have it on good authority that when the bullet hit Osama's head it sounded like crunching figs. No shit.

74 >>It's not a surprise a neighbor would hear the helos and gunfire and then report nearby Paki forces swarming the compound after the raid.
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (p2AIq)

Just linking possibly connected stories of interest. It's still relatively early, and I'm not saying I'm convinced, But T. Lifson is the head dude @AT and for him to put his name on a story with possible spook connection, I'm inclined to at least absorb it for future reference, at the minimum.

It's not like the muzzies don't have a consistent history as cowardly, face saving shadow conspirators. For that reason I can't just dismiss it out of hand like other noise following a big story.

75 He was unarmed in a safe house? He was kept there by the Packuni.

76 Tango Down!  TANGO DOWN!

77 Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:35 AM (G/MYk)

The last kibbutznik I dealt with was an employee who thought that sitting in a meeting, picking his nose and examining the bounty was a perfectly acceptable way of behaving.

78

Meanwhile Cindy Sheehan screeches -

I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you're stupid. Just think to yourself--they paraded Saddam's dead sons around to prove they were dead--why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent--just put your flags away and THINK!

79 He was unarmed in a safe house? He was kept there by the Packuni. Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 03, 2011 08:37 AM (qIHlG) That he was being protected by the Pakistanis is not really in dispute.

80

I don't agree with it, but they were honoring his skill as a pilot, perhaps sharing an overarching rule set with him.  What parallel might exist with bin laden?  Was he some sort of military genius?  I don't think so.  Most of his success was due to our stupidity.

It is one thing to show respect to enemy soldiers who generally adhere to our naive rules of war.  It is quite another to honor a "cheater".

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (G/MYk)

Our treatment of the bodies of our enemies has less to do with who they were and more to do with who we are.  See also POW treatment standards.

81 Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at May 03, 2011 08:38 AM (IhHdM)

Excellent point. SEAL Teams don't make it a habit of making fights fair or long. My guess is that the shooting was over very quickly, and the rest of the time was spent looking for intel.

82 I think they are too graphic in two ways.

One, the head is exploded and this will cause much freaking out.

Two, the head is exploded and this will cause much Area 51 bullshit.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (p2AIq)

Actually, the video will show his head moving "back and to the left", so clearly there had to be a second shooter.

83 Hahaha....'British Asians'....yeah, ooookay....

Terrorism Arrests At Sellafield Nuclear Plant Five men are being held under the Terrorism Act after being arrested close to the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria.

Sky sources said it is understood the men were British Asians and were taking photographs of the plant.

They were detained at about 4.30pm on Monday after a stop check on a vehicle by officers. Part of a road was closed.

The five, all in their 20s and from London, were held overnight at a police station in Carlisle under section 41 of the Terrorism act.

The investigation is being led by counter-terrorism officers in Manchester.

Sky's home affairs correspondent Mark White said: "From what I understand there was nothing found on them that would give immediate cause for concern that there was any potential attack."

http://tinyurl.com/3r4ox9n

84 Do the mean the muzz?

85 "thinking about" releasing a photo of the "burial at sea."

Hopefully, when the Vinson returns home from her cruise we will get to see the video of all of the Petty Officers lined up and pissing into the sea shortly after the Muslim chaplain leaves the deck. 

86

"In a brief statement May 2, the Vatican said, "The Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, has relieved His Excellency Msgr. William M. Morris of the pastoral care of the Diocese of Toowoomba."

The formulation indicated that Bishop Morris had not offered his letter of resignation."

87 CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)  -- yes, see Cepheid and IdahoTech for portable PCR units.

88

Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 08:08 AM (HBqDo)

That theory is similar to my theory.

89 I ain't telling you coppers nuthin.  See.

90 Oooh.....from Drudge

RASMUSSEN: No Immediate Bounce for Obama... Developing...

91 One of your scripts is loose again.

92 Geez, the requirements for SNAP are bizarre.  You can own a house and lot, you can have a retirement account of any amount (wonder if millionaires in their retirement accounts are eligible) and you just can't have savings.  So it penalizes savers and savers are mostly conservatives and republicans.  If you aren't a saver and you spent it all on "stuff" you get to have the rest of us poor schmucks support your eating habits?????

"That's right ladies and gents, 400 US citizens are the primary beneficiaries of the Weimar rally so insiduously orchestrated by Chairsatan Benzebub. Or, in other words, 44.2 million to 400. And now you know that "democracy" can withstand even odds worse than 100k to 1."
link


and the healthcare system needed fixing?????

93 Our treatment of the bodies of our enemies has less to do with who they were and more to do with who we are.  See also POW treatment standards.

Less POW standards, a better example is how we treated the Russian submariners that the Globar Explorer raised.  We didn't have to do that.

94 106 Tami - would that be called a Dead Osama bounce?

95 110 106 Tami - would that be called a Dead Osama bounce?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:55 AM (UnhxL)

It appears he didn't even get that.

If Rasmussen is right, that's amazing.  He's toast.

96
RASMUSSEN: No Immediate Bounce for Obama... Developing...

and Tami gets the first slap on greg/erg when his mom wakes him up.

97 I hope he (Osama) is dead. But a suspicion of all news coming of the feral government, especially the present regime, is a necessity. Prove It is the order of the day, and They're Lying is the default assumption.

98 109 - need coffee, didn't get my full thought expressed there - POW standards are defined in law and practice; how one treats the bodies associated with anti-terrorist and black ops - not so much.

99 I offered ace money yesterday if he banned Greg.  Don't know if he did or not.  I haven't seen Greg around but he comes and goes like an annoying hemorrhoid so.....we'll see.

100 No bounce for zerO? That would be surprising. I expect a short lived bounce on his long slide to oblivion.

101

Geez, next White House dinner Obama will complain that all of us are a very hard audience to impress.  He gets Osama killed and no bounce in the poll.  Poor Barry, may he be unemployed in two years and trying to write a third biography of himself.

102 Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:38 AM (UnhxL)

It's more fashionable to tuck the extra aluminum foil behind your ears. It makes for a cleaner look and you can show off your newest hairstyle.

103 PS, even if Osam) is dead, I still want the lying socialist creep Obama out of the WH. It is a certainty that if this had happened on the watch of Pres McCain, Obama would be calling for an international investigation and prosecutions.

104 Sorry Count de Monet. Terrorists don't fall under the Geneva Convention as they don't come from a signatory nation and they sure as hell didn't/don't accept or apply the practices of the convention to their warfare. So we can do whatever we like truthfully. Yes, how we treat them despite not falling under the convention says a lot about us. Frankly, we have and do treat them very well. I haven't seen a single head cut off on video yet. Finally, these guys don't care about their lives or ours, but they do care about their everlasting souls and where they end up after death. If we treat their bodies in a neutral manner but to an effect that will negate possible religious afterlife I'm sure they are going to be hard pressed to find more people willing to die for their cause.

105 If it is not wearing a uniform it is not a soldier.

106 article about Rumsfeld scrubbed Pockystan mission year 2005 http://tinyurl.com/6e9szjs

107

The words used in reporting are starting to change. Safe house is now the word being used to describe OBL's location. Safe house has a lot more meaning then compound or hideout or spider hole. A safe house inside Pakistan that was formally used by Pakistan's intelligence agency located within line-of-site of Pakistan's elite military school and in a neighborhood of Pakistan military officers and within 35 miles of the country's capital completely unbeknownst to Pakistan officials.

We then went in the middle of the day (3:30 pm from what I have read) with a military strike team and assaulted some residential location just outside of the country's capital and within rotor wash of the best of the Paki military; killed its occupants; take a body; destroyed our disabled chopper; and ransacked the building for 40 minutes while we "sneak" in ANOTHER chopper to take out all our troops and loot; without any interference from the Pakistan military or the local police; all this based on information we have had for 9 months.

We got wikileaks puke'n critical information all over the internet and yet we were able to keep OBL location a secrete for 9 months while we decide how to handle the job. Such care in planning leaves a disabled and burning chopper, a double tap to the head of our target and now we have misleading accounts from our own officials as to whether or not OBL used his wife as a shield and whether or not OBL resisted despite the fact that our President and top officials watched the assault live as it happened.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is dead and I give major props to the guys and gals on the ground who pulled this off, but color me cynical on this one. This is all too neat and tidy for it to be as they say it is and this administration is more than willing to use something like this to score political points.

108

It's more fashionable to tuck the extra aluminum foil behind your ears. It makes for a cleaner look and you can show off your newest hairstyle.

Charlie, I was quoting Chindy Sheehan.  Remember her the total loon who camped outside Bush's ranch in Crawford.  Who attracted the likes of Al Sharpton and David Duke as supporters.  So plaese be kind and recycle the foil for when Greg pops-up like a gohper.

109 'The grade reflects the U.S. massive debt burden, low international reserves and the volatility in the American economy, he said.'  link via drudge

110 38
Bacon is $7.00 per pound now.

Soon you won't be able to buy gas so you can go to the grocery store to stare at bacon you can't afford to buy. Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 08:03 AM

As I mentioned here:
http://tinyurl.com/3asxbgm

"I have just one question to ask, as you drive that car you can't afford to that job you don't have, to pay for the gas you can't afford... "

111 Posted by: That Other Guy at May 03, 2011 09:03 AM (jGlyD)

No.

Some crazy imam or swami or haemorrhoid or whatever they call them will issue a fatwa that states that a terrorist who dies in the service of jihad will get his 72 goats no matter how his body is treated after death.

112

Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is dead and I give major props to the guys and gals on the ground who pulled this off, but color me cynical on this one. This is all too neat and tidy for it to be as they say it is and this administration is more than willing to use something like this to score political points.

Posted by: moemo at May 03, 2011 09:04 AM (jYoCE)

It seems I am not alone in my doubt.

113 Bacon is only $3.50/pound here.

114 For those talking about Geneva Conventions.  Those who are not in a recognised military uniform but are bearing arms are not accorded protection under the Geneva Conventions.  They should be subject to summary execution.  Instead the US carted them off to Camp X-Ray and hey what do you know, after a bunch of recidivists we nailed Osama bint Bedliner because they talked.

115 Pelosi Then: Killing Osama DoesnÂ’t Matter; Pelosi Now: ItÂ’s Huge!

Nancy Pelosi, press conference, September 7, 2006:

[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done Â… is done. And even to capture him now I donÂ’t think makes us any safer.

Nancy Pelosi, earlier today:

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. Â… I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. Â…

he death of Osama bin Laden is historicÂ….

116 >>110 106 Tami - would that be called a Dead Osama bounce?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:55 AM (UnhxL)

If they wanted a bounce they should thrown the stiff out of the observation deck of The Empire State Building and not into the drink.

117 moemo, undoubtedly there are details we will never know - esp. with regards to the Paki relationship.  But, the basics are pretty clear and the asshole is dead.

118 Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 09:04 AM (UnhxL)

Never mind!

119 See, mes amis, the polls she was correct. We conservateurs lost très bad to the socialists in Quebec. Da polling show she went from 1 seat to more than 105 so we good conservateurs are lost badly. We will never win election again. The polling she do not lie!

120 It's old... Osama bin Laden's Execution Proves Obama Succeeds Only When He Follows the Policies of George W Bush It's older... President Obama Attempts to Seduce Mickey Pourke!

121 OnTheRocks, better yet toss the corpse from the rising Freedom Tower.  Make sure the corpse lands where the Cordoba House Victory Mosque is being built.  Win-win.

122 Greg is just erg when he's feeling particularly organized.

123 Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is dead and I give major props to the guys and gals on the ground who pulled this off, but color me cynical on this one. This is all too neat and tidy for it to be as they say it is and this administration is more than willing to use something like this to score political points. Posted by: moemo at May 03, 2011 09:04 AM (jYoCE) Cynical about what? That we killed OBL? That the mission was genuine? That the Paks were protecting OBL and then betrayed him? That they were protecting him and we pulled a A-Team on them?

124 LOL  No prob Charlie.  Cindy Sheehan is like Patient Zero in the Dem's psyche-ward.  Always screeching and always insane.  Anyone who can attract Al Sharpton and David Duke is super weapons grade insane.

125 a better example is how we treated the Russian submariners that the Globar Explorer raised.  We didn't have to do that.

Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2011 08:55 AM (WkuV6)

Didn't know that story, thanks for highlighting it.

126 "These Are The Weapons Used To Take Down Bin Laden"

127 Apparently, the latest batch of Wikileaks documents revealed that we were on to the couriers.

128 Better that he's fish food. WTF are we gonna do with a body?  put it on display?  What's your suggestion?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 03, 2011 08:20 AM (Do52

To put it on display actually sounds like a fine idea to me.  Our cultural predecessors, the ancient Romans, did similar things from time to time.  Put it in a transparent vat of formaldehyde, and feature it in a parade in New York.

129

WASHINGTON – Golf shoes in the Oval Office could have been a clue.

President Barack Obama usually goes to the residence quarters of the White House after putting in a few weekend hours on the links. But he made an unusual beeline for his West Wing office last Sunday that raised eyebrows only in retrospect.

He was headed for a top-secret meeting to review final preparations for a military operation he'd approved two days earlier, the one involving a raid by Navy SEALs that would end with the death of Osama bin Laden, one of the world's most hunted men.

But only a few insiders knew the real deal.

In a remarkable 72 hours of his presidency, Obama carried around a momentous secret and gave no hint of it as he went about his duties consoling tornado victims, delivering a college commencement address and cracking jokes at a black-tie dinner.

 

 

The AP needs a fresh set of panties. They've obviously wetted another pair writing this hagiography of Barry

130

>>It seems I am not alone in my doubt.

Posted by: maddogg at May 03, 2011 09:07 AM (OlN4e)

That's a safe assumption, but I'm still waiting for more dust to clear while working to separate rumor and innuendo from what can be safely called established fact.

No theories yet here, just a peculiar smell (and I've already showered).

131

To put it on display actually sounds like a fine idea to me.  Our cultural predecessors, the ancient Romans, did similar things from time to time.  Put it in a transparent vat of formaldehyde, and feature it in a parade in New York.

Too gruesome, deflesh the bones, articulate the skeleton, and put it on display in the Smithsonian.

132

 

They told me that if I voted for McCain, the White House would be running black ops assassination squads.

Next election I'ma vote twice!

 

133 http://tinyurl.com/3vwsmbr
Here is the burial of those Soviet sailors when Glomar Explorer recovered part of that Soviet submarine.

134 "MYSTERY: What's On The Blurred Out Document In Front Of Hillary Clinton In The Situation Room??"(I linked this cause you guys can we way way funnier on this one)

135 >>Make sure the corpse lands where the Cordoba House Victory Mosque is being built.  Win-win.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 09:12 AM (UnhxL)

I could go with that as long as there are no shrineable scraps, and a name change from Victory to Win-Win.

 

136 154 I noticed the blurred out paper, and thought it was a color map print out.

137

Too gruesome, deflesh the bones, articulate the skeleton, and put it on display in the Smithsonian.

Posted by: maddogg at May 03, 2011 09:21 AM (OlN4e)

OK - I can go with that.  On the condition that the articulated skeleton be fitted with puppet strings and featured in demeaning street shows every 9/11.

138 t's been done before.  To wit:

No. 3 Squadron, Australian Flying Corps, gave Manfred Von Richthofen (The Red Baron) a full military funeral in April, 1918.  Complete with a guard of honor, rifle salute, and memorial wreaths.

Whither shall I go, being an idiot?

Dear Sir,

You can't be serious.

Regards,

kdny

139 I see "Obama got Osama" t-shirts are on sale.  Navy SEAL team 6 is apparently his callsign when he's out cutting throats for Uncle Sam.

If Lincoln had been like Obama, the Gettysburg address would have been "I just won an important battle."

140 I think it was the takeout menu from the organic Thai place on Mass Ave.

141 "Or how about the battle of “wits” (I say this knowing full well the irony) between Barack Obama and Donald Trump, two soulless rock-emÂ’ sock-emÂ’ robots in a fake duel for fake polls, fake votes, and a fake presidency."  link

the pictures he paints in your mind in this piece are just amazing.

142 Can we stop using the term " muslim burial honors"? A religious burial ceremony isn't an honor. It's not like he received a 21 gun salute. Per reports they washed his body, which would have been done after an autopsy anyway which was surely preformed, said a prayer over him and dumped him.

143 Heh. Its true. No bounce for zerO.

144 154 "MYSTERY: What's On The Blurred Out Document In Front Of Hillary Clinton In The Situation Room??"
Posted by: curious at May 03, 2011 09:23 AM (k1rwm)

Instructions on how to disinfect and sanitize office upholstery.

145 Ranger up's got Osama dead T-shirts up.  Bang your dead seal memo; and a “We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail.” shirt.

146 154 Curious

That photo is a bit curious - Obama proportions don't look right.  His head is as small as people standing much further away.  His frame seemed dwarfed compared to Biden's. 

147 Canadian PM Stephen Harper's victory speech

He is unapologetically proud of his country. Wish I could say the same about Obama.

148 better yet toss the corpse from the rising Freedom Tower.  Make sure the corpse lands where the Cordoba House Victory Mosque is being built.

On fire, 3000 times.

149 A religious burial ceremony isn't an honor. It's not like he received a 21 gun salute. Per reports they washed his body, which would have been done after an autopsy anyway which was surely preformed, said a prayer over him and dumped him.

It is an honor for a mass murderer whose goal in life was to be a religious martyr.  And getting rid of the body within 24 hours makes us look weak and fearful of Islam.

By the way, the prayer said over his body exhorts Allah to spare him from the fires of hell.

150 164 Heh. Its true. No bounce for zerO.

It says 2/3 of he data is from before bin Laden became fish food. This is also interesting:

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

First we have a poll showing the country is more accepting of ObamaCare, now we see that Obama's approval rating is moving. What did he do before this event to move his numbers?

151 "Goldman Comments On The Canadian Election Results"

152 http://silentespeaks.com /wp-content/uploads /2008/05/ launch.JPG

153 Hmmmm ... Don't tell Cindy Sheehan, but it's confirmed that Brennan was wrong - he wasn't hiding behind any woman.

154 Yahoo's got a story up about Obama with a clenched jaw walking into the oval office; so dedicated he only play 9 holes of golf and sacre blue - left his golf shoes on!!!

155 Sorry - three new rangerup shirts - Waldo is back on top of the list.

156 or just hosed off on a steel mortuary table.
pictures, DNA, etc. taken.
Wrapped in a fresh sheet, a quick Allens Snackbar & into the drink.

157 I'm pulling this from a comment I saw at whitehousedossier.

Not sure if I buy all of this, but the fact that Jarrett is not in the picture, but Clinton is, is a very interesting item.

Quote:

Obama looks like he just walked in off the golf course, which in fact he did.

Who’s missing from the pic? Obama’s chief handler, Valerie Jarrett. She accompanies him virtually everywhere – including overseas trips. She can usually be seen close to the Pres, hanging on his every word.

From an alleged WH Insider – this acct was published 4:30 today:
(note – BD  =  Bill Daley;  HC  = Hillary; LP  =  Leon Panetta)

Please get this out ASAP. Want specific people to know we know.

RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter – both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.

Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat – this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.

158 I think Ras has got his finger on the scale, over correcting for accusations of right wing bias. 

159 Did someone call?

160

It is to muslims.  They love to riot and toss their corpses in the crowd during the procession - which, I have to admit, is fun to watch.  Arafat's corpse almost went crowd surfing in Ramallah.  It was close.  What the US gave bin laden was extremely solemn, by comparison.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 09:40 AM (G/MYk)

He received bone of that. No wake. No people to come and pay their respects. 

It is an honor for a mass murderer whose goal in life was to be a religious martyr.  And getting rid of the body within 24 hours makes us look weak and fearful of Islam.

By the way, the prayer said over his body exhorts Allah to spare him from the fires of hell.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 03, 2011 09:40 AM (FkKjr)

The prayer said over Jeffrey Dahmer asked for the same. I don't think it makes us look weak either. What would have made us look weak is holding the body till Muslims forced us to release it at which time he would have been honored.

161 In the Navy!!!!

162 Trying to figure out the link tool here. I'd include a link for above, but the tinyurl error I'm getting is not something I know how to fix.

163 According to another one of those White House briefings of reporters designed to suck up all available credit for good news, President Obama's homeland security advisor reveals that it was a really tense time in the air-conditioned White House as unidentified U.S. Navy SEALs closed in on the world's most wanted man after midnight a half a world away.

If it would make Obama look better, the White House would claim that it was ObamsÂ’s house that UBL was living in.

164 Does full muslim honors mean someone had to rape the corpse the way the child molester mohamed raped his aunts corpse?

165 What would have made us look weak is holding the body till Muslims forced us to release it at which time he would have been honored.

Why would this have happened?  We could have displayed the body for the press and others to see for a few days, then incinerated it and thrown out the ashes.  You know, what our sensibilities would dictate, not theirs.

166

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 03, 2011 09:47 AM (IxaHn)

Thats mighty interesting, Dave. Mighty interesting.

167 @184 Trying to figure out the link tool here. I'd include a link for above, but the tinyurl error I'm getting is not something I know how to fix.

Just replace the "." with "dots" or put in spaces so it doesn't look like a URL. 

168 Ramirez cartoon: "Got Him"

169 46 Apparently the raid wasn't as stealthy as we might be inclined to think as this tweet indicates: Sohaib Athar began tweeting messages about one in the morning local time complaining about helicopters hovering and than a window-rattling blast...
___________

We definitely should have used the shushcopter technology from "The Nude Bomb".

170 Just stuck the phrase "Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners" into Bing and got 20 web sites with that exact quote on it.  Biggest names look to be Free Republic and Blaze.

Three possibilities that I see:

1) Someone on our side has made up that report, noting that Jarrett wasn't in the photo

2) There is a leak in the White House or CIA that is reporting some (or all of the truth)

3) There is a leak in the White House or CIA that is leaking false info as a political stunt.

One thing that has been bothering me since Sunday night is the "We've known where OBL likely is located since August", but we only now get around to it?  Wouldn't this have made for an excellent October Surprise right before the election?  Yes, I get the fact that you have to verify evidence and train for a mission, but 8 months is a very long time to keep something like that under wraps. And what if OBL had moved during that period?

171 Which thread did you lift that from.WhiteHouseDossier.

172 >>Months ago.  Yep.  Hussein was intentionally stalling, once again.  Who could have predicted that?
Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 10:00 AM (G/MYk)

So it only follows leftist (il)logic that TheWon alone should get all the credit.

As I said yesterday, The prideful insanity of these nitwits requires them to believe their own BS.

173 Why would this have happened?  We could have displayed the body for the press and others to see for a few days, then incinerated it and thrown out the ashes.  You know, what our sensibilities would dictate, not theirs.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 03, 2011 09:55 AM (FkKjr)

Where?  Where would the ashes go that would not make the site a martyr's shrine?  Marianas Trench?  Seems the USN took the most expedient route. 

174 Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 03, 2011 09:47 AM (IxaHn)

"147 Apparently, the latest batch of Wikileaks documents revealed that we were on to the couriers.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 03, 2011 09:17 AM (oDMwn)"

175 One thing that has been bothering me since Sunday night is the "We've known where OBL likely is located since August", but we only now get around to it?  Wouldn't this have made for an excellent October Surprise right before the election?  Yes, I get the fact that you have to verify evidence and train for a mission, but 8 months is a very long time to keep something like that under wraps. And what if OBL had moved during that period?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 03, 2011 10:06 AM (IxaHn)

Several days ago, someone here posted a link to a website that had a story about Bill Daley and Valerie Jarrett at each other's throats.  Michelle Obama was involved too.  Anyone remember the linked site?

176

EAST WENATCHEE, Wash. - A teacher who vowed nearly 10 years ago not to cut his beard until Osama bin Laden was captured or proven dead said he cried Sunday night upon hearing of the terrorist's death.

"I spent my first five minutes crying and then I couldn't get it off fast enough," said Gary Weddle, 50, who lives in East Wenatchee but teaches middle school science in Ephrata.

177 "Just replace the "." with "dots" or put in spaces so it doesn't look like a URL."

Now I feel even more stupid.

http://www whitehousedossier com/2011/05/02/photo-obama-aides-watch-action-unfold/#comments

That is what I'm trying to create a link to.

178 tami,

this?

179 Dave,

Here....

http://tinyurl.com/3j8gsyf

180 Yeah, that's it....thanks curious!

181 Dave, when you try to create the link in tinyurl it says "server not found"

182 Tami got it.

183 Where?  Where would the ashes go that would not make the site a martyr's shrine?  Marianas Trench?  Seems the USN took the most expedient route.

Oh please.  Considering it took ten years to find the guy while he was alive, how long would it take to find him if his ashes were scattered out of a moving plane, or thrown in a refuse pile in Virginia?  For that matter, would it really be anything more than mind numbingly stupid for radical muslims to attempt pilgrimage to an America to honor Bin Laden?

As for the 'oh noes, martyr shrine' logic, I have news for you:  There will be a martyr shrine, most probably his mansion will have a mosque on it.

But this is far afield of my point - we should have used the body for our purposes, then dumped it unceremoniously.

184 Dave in FL - if you look at the photo of the situation room, it looks like Obama was not in the room either - looks like a cut and paste job to me.  His porportions aren't just right.

185 They shoulda put him in a wooden box and propped it up like they did with bank robbers in the old west.

186 "Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?"

187 DRUDGE: WH releases OBL death photo yet, no link.
 

188 211 Same story twice.

189 DRUDGE: WH releases OBL death photo yet, no link.
 

Posted by: Barbarian at May 03, 2011 10:20 AM (EL+OC)

WTH Drudge...if they released it why don't you have it?

190

WTH Drudge...if they released it why don't you have it?

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 10:22 AM (VuLos)

Hit whore?

191 "Meet The 'Seal Team 6', The Bad-Asses Who Killed Osama Bin Laden"

192 Ah! I hadn't read that inside the white house report, but the fact that Jarrett isn't in the room when the biggest action in the Obama presidency occurs is very telling.

I was in the West Wing for a visit during the Clinton administration, and I can say that the structure of that place completely supports the description provided. Very small offices, very small corridors. If a disagreement occurs in a hallway, it is very easy to over hear it. I was almost run over by Al Gore, because the hallway was so small outside an office I was waiting at.

193 IMPORTANT:  Dems Go To The Filibuster Mat For John J. "Jack" McConnell, Jr.McConnell is the first District Court nominee ever opposed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.  Ever.  That should tell you something.

This is McConnell's second go-round.  He was one of four nominees left out of a deal last Christmas in which numerous Obama nominees were confirmed.

McConnell passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on a party-line vote, with the exception of Lindsey Graham, who voted in favor.

Perhaps emboldened with Obama's new-found momentum, Harry Reid just filed a cloture petition on McConnell's confirmation, meaning that there will be a cloture vote as early as tomorrow.

If cloture is achieved, McConnell almost certainly will be confirmed because of the Democratic majority in the Senate.

It is important that you make clear to Republicans in the Senate that they should not vote for cloture.

Start by contacting Lindsey Graham's office, via e-mail or better yet, telephone 202-224-5972.

Update:  My sources tell me that in addition to Graham the following Republicans may vote in favor of cloture, leaving only 41 against:  Cornyn, Thune, Hatch , Snowe and Collins.  (Added.) Apparently Kirk and Brown also are potential problems, so there may not be enough to stop the nomination, but things are fluid.  I have calls or e-mails into several offices, and I'll keep you informed.

194 That story in NewsFlavor is all too believeable, due to the fact that it aligns perfectly with what is known about the character of the Obama White House.

195 You people who are going out of your way to defend the way Osama was given an honorable burial really disappoint me. Let people share their righteous disgust at the undeserved respect this man was given without having to defend that disgust because you disagree.

196 Thanks Tami. I'm going to need to figure this out for the future so I can post links.

197 I'm telling you "it's a small world, over and over and over and over, can be very effective"

198 Congressman Outraged That 3 Convicts in Terror-Related Cases Were Granted U.S. Citizenship

199 There are no headlines, only Vic and Google.

Only Zombie Vic. No headlines today.

200 222 Highlight word in comment box, click chain, put tinyurl in its place, cut off the heading as there is a drop down box for that, insert apply ok.

201 WTF Matt Drudge?

202 if you look at the photo of the situation room, it looks like Obama was not in the room either - looks like a cut and paste job to me.  His porportions aren't just right.

Posted by: lan sing at May 03, 2011 10:17 AM (YHrQZ)

He is also sitting in a different sized chair than everyone else.  I have no clue about cut & paste though - I'm kind of computer ignorant

203 Seems like the pres should be in a position of authority, and not getting comfy?

204 Dave, are you using Firefox?  If so, download the tinyurl generator.  Then, when you are on a page you want to post here, right click and choose "create tiny url for this page' from the menu that appears. (this automatically copies the tinyurl link to your clipboard)

Come here to the comment window and click the chain link icon on the toolbox.  Paste that into the second box on the hyperlink window that opens.  (the first box should remain empty).

Click the 'insert' button and then click the 'apply' button.  Then 'Post'.

205

Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 10:31 AM (penCf)

_{Do you yell at your kids like that?}

^_Huh?

206 Ugh, over the months I've come to despise this guy, I don't think he's a conservative at all and they're crowing him king

these people are definitely in their own little world....

207 Same thing Tami linked, just making sure I've got it working

208

Posted by: curious at May 03, 2011 10:38 AM (k1rwm)

Thats becaues the wheeled one IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.

209 Thanks Tami, Tinyurl generator isn't working for Firefox 4 yet, but I got there, I appreciate the help.

210

_{Do you yell at your kids like that?}

^_Huh?

Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 10:38 AM (HBqDo)

Damn straight   My kids don't call me a dictator for nothing.

I still can't figure out how to decrease the size of a CNSNews link.  It's the only site that does it.

Sorry. 

211 What is wrong with the VP's eye in the picture?

212 Test.

213 U.S. Army Corps Blasts Mississippi Levee to Divert Flooding

214 So bin Laden wasn't shielded by a woman. He was not armed. He refused to surrender after given the opportunity. He was shot and killed. So what did bin Laden do to refuse surrender? Brandish a beard trimmer?

215 Ignore this link, just found an updated tinyurl for Firefox 4, testing it

216

OBL was not an honorable man.  His body was not given the same level of respect and burial honors that was given to the Red Baron.

The point is that the handling OBL's body received looks nothing like what we do to give full respect and honor to the enemy dead.

Neither are we Somalia, hanging burnt, desecrated enemy bodies from a bridge after dragging them through town.  We like to think of ourselves as humane and civilized.

OBL was killed, his body taken away for DNA sampling (which also prevented the enemy from burying the body in grand fashion), given some minimal preparation, then dumped overboard.  Gone.  Disposed of quickly so that it's presence or location or handling could not continue to be an issue.  Problem solved in a logical, expediant manner. 

However (un)ceremoniously OBL's body dumping took place, it got the minimal lower boundary of civilized treatment.

So the body got washed and religious prayers were said over it.  So what?  That's what civilized people do.  Even when it is not deserved.  It's not about him not being civilized or not being humane, it's about us preserving our humanity.  The body got the least little part of ours.

For those offended and outraged by the USN's handling of the body and burial at sea as too respectful or deferential, what would you have done differently?  I ask 'cause other than skipping the rinse (possibly for health and safety of body handlers? IDK) and prayers, to me anything less would not be civilized.

217 >>these people are definitely in their own little world....
Posted by: curious at May 03, 2011 10:38 AM (k1rwm)

Kraut was a speechwriter for Mondale and won his Pulitzer (in 86 IIRC) writing for the liberal New Republic.

Neo Con with the accent on Con.

218 Another test ... I think I'm done, thanks for the tips folks.

219 237 What is wrong with the VP's eye in the picture?

Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 10:43 AM (penCf)

Its open.

220 So what does Sen. Lindsay have to say about releasing the photo? 

Is the little bitch-eyed f*ckstick concerned that releasing it may-be/may-not-be-such a good idea?

221

>>Sorry. 

Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 10:42 AM (penCf)

_{C'mon now, just fun'n.}

222 if you look at the photo of the situation room, it looks like Obama was not in the room either - looks like a cut and paste job to me.

I don't think it's a Photoshop job (aside from blurring Hillary's copy of Playboy), I just think Barry looks like a very small man in that situation.  Which goes along with the "coup" theory.  (As does the fact that the timing is nearly the worst possible for him to gain much political advantage from).

223 Oprah's interview with the Destructive First Couple:


Mrs. Obama: The thing that I always loved about my husband is that he's always been the person that can keep his eye on the prize in the midst of some craziness. And I think that's what makes him a special leader. ... Those are the decisions that he's been making every single day.
..
"What's happening is that there are these big global changes, and the world is more integrated because of technology—we know what's happening on the other side of the world instantly," he begins.

"And that's a good thing," Oprah says.

"That's a good thing," the President agrees. "But what it also means is that if there is a problem in one place, it can move around the globe very rapidly. So what happens in Libya suddenly affects oil prices here. What happens because of a subprime loan in California can cause Iceland to be bankrupt."

"Have you been disappointed at how difficult it is to get things done?" Oprah asks.

"It can be painful to watch," Mrs. Obama says. "But, Barack was in the Senate for many years, and I think he had a taste for how challenging it is when you work in a democracy—and that's one of the beauties of our country. We have a democracy. ... I always tease people, 'Barack's not a dictator, and that's a good thing.' ... It requires congressional cooperation and a whole range of cooperative actions that make our country great. But it makes the process difficult and slower than I think most people would like."
..
As with any election, partisan politics can sometimes distract both voters and nominees from the real issues. Yet, President Obama says he hopes for a respectful race in 2012. "What I want to do is make sure that it doesn't get personal and that the focus is where the focus should be, which is how to make the lives of the American people better," he says.

The president also says that he believes that improving Americans' lives is the intent of the Republican party as well. What the parties disagree on, he says, is how to do that. "I think it's very important to understand that we can disagree without questioning each other's intentions or patriotism," he says.

"Or citizenship," Mrs. Obama says.


Lots more here.

224 What the Left-Wing Media Would Say If Bush Were President Right Now

The Bush regime has once again violated the sanctity of a sovereign nation and acted unilaterally to bring destruction and war to the peaceful Islamic people of Pakistan by attacking a compound hiding Osama Bin Laden. U.S. military killers shot dead a female in a ruthless exchange of gunfire that may lead to an increase in global warming and local pollution in Abbotabad, Pakistan.

BushÂ’s reckless military expedition into Pakistan resulted in the loss of a military M-60 helicopter which released caustic smoke into the earthÂ’s atmosphere as it burned, threatening nearby residents with toxic Western-style laissez faire pollution and filth.

..

Although the operation was successful in killing Bin Laden, it raises troubling questions about the cowboy-like response in acting unilaterally and and not seeking approval and a corresponding resolution from the United Nations Security Council. This opens a dangerous chapter in American foreign policy.

225 Drudge really trying to turn the head shot pics into a drama. Screw him.

226 249 The president also says that he believes that improving Americans' lives is the intent of the Republican party as well. What the parties disagree on, he says, is how to do that. "I think it's very important to understand that we can disagree without questioning each other's intentions or patriotism," he says.

So he didn't mean it all those times when he implied that the Rs were unAmerican because of their budget resolution? Will he apologize for that, then?

_{/Yeah, I know.}

227 Drudge doesn't have them yet.

228 Especially as the muzzies love to see their corpses crowd surfing on the way to their final resting.

It's hard to imagine anything less dignified than pedophile Arafat's body surfing over the pali mosh pit on its way to join Mo the Profit in Hell.

229

Only real problem I can see about releasing the photo is how much he may have changed over the years. It could just be a photo of an old, dead man shot in the head. There haven't been any pictures of him for years, that I'm aware of.

(Which of course have always fueled the theory that he's been dead for a long time).

 

230 Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2011 10:45 AM (XBM1t) d.

The cleaning - and sea burial within 24 hours - were done because it is Islamic law on what to do with a body, not for any practical considerations.

As was said before, display the body to the press, Take it back to the US and take pictures of it, incinerate it, and dump the ashes off in a random unknown place.  Do it on our timetable and don't give him a funeral.

And sorry, but exhorting Allah to spare Bin Laden from the fires of hell is just stupid.  That's what the 'prayer' was.  And if you are concerned about 'civilized' behavior, 'civilized' people put their enemies on trial.

231 I have some printer iron on transfers for t shirts.

232 Cremating his body without any religious rites would have been civilized. But keep defending giving this mass murderer of civilians the ceremonial washing and religious rites and keep questioning people who disagree. Prick.

233 When they blur images on the E! True Hollywood Story, it's usually embarrassing lesbian porn from some beauty pageant winner's wayward youth. Not implying anything. Just sayin'.

234

Drudge is reporting "no immediate bounce" for Obama according to Rasmussen.  Which surprises me. 

 

235 Out, damned sock!

236 GP: "Flashback: Obama & Biden Insist 'Waterboarding Is Not Effective' (Video)"

237 263 How would they know? They haven't been water-boarded yet.

238 >>It's hard to imagine anything less dignified than pedophile Arafat's body surfing over the pali mosh pit on its way to join Mo the Profit in Hell.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 03, 2011 10:58 AM (vEVry)

And yet somehow uplifting, in the perverse sense that the pervert so richly deserved.

239 Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 10:53 AM (G/MYk) We treated OBL's body that way because we are better than him. We sent that message. Let it sink in in the Muslim world: Fuck with the USA and you get a bullet in the face and plopped into the sea.

240 261 Drudge is reporting "no immediate bounce" for Obama according to Rasmussen.  Which surprises me.

CBS will likely spot him 15-20 points so that he can not only claim the high road in the budget battle but also brag he got a higher bounce than Bush did when our military caught Saddam.

241 CIA Chief Breaks Silence: U.S. Ruled Out Involving Pakistan in bin Laden Raid Early On

In his first interview since commanding the mission to kill Osama bin Laden, CIA Chief Leon Panetta tells TIME that U.S. officials feared that Pakistan could have undermined the operation by leaking word to its targets. Long before Panetta ordered General William McRaven, the head of the Joint Special Forces Command, to undertake the mission at 1:22 p.m. on Friday, the CIA had been gaming out how to structure the raid. Months prior, the U.S. had considered expanding the assault to include coordination with other countries, most notably Pakistan. But the CIA ruled out participating with its nominal South Asian ally early on because “it was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardize the mission: They might alert the targets,” Panetta says.
http://tinyurl.com/43n9d33

242 268 CIA Chief Breaks Silence: U.S. Ruled Out Involving Pakistan in bin Laden Raid Early On

Why does the Regime hate to keep secrets from our enemies?

243 Bin Laden Summary by VDH

244 Let it sink in in the Muslim world: Fuck with the USA and you get a bullet in the face and plopped into the sea. we will pray that Allah lets you into paradise.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 11:03 AM (p2AIq)

FIFY

245 @BreakingNews: US has 3 sets of photos - from raid, from Afghan hangar where bin Laden's body taken, and from burial - @natlsecuritycnn

246 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 11:05 AM (qdBf5)

Link DOA

247

Link DOA

Posted by: ontherocks at May 03, 2011 11:07 AM (HBqDo)

Works for me.

248 FIFY Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 03, 2011 11:05 AM (FkKjr) Heh. He got a bullet in the face no matter what you say. Don't you get it? Can't you understand the use of propaganda? Can't you understand that we are telling Muslims they can be Muslims, but if they fuck with us they die?

249

>>Works for me.

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 11:08 AM (VuLos)

Weird, took 4 attempts.

250 We don't need to prove it or send that message to anyone. Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 11:11 AM (G/MYk) You are quite wrong on this.

251 Record big game dieoffs in northern rockies due to long cold winter.

252 All House and Senate members to receive classified briefing on Bin Laden mission today

253

We treated OBL's body that way because we are better than him.

We sent that message.

And who, exactly, gives a fuck? The Muslims sure as hell don't.

254

Reuters headline says "Pakistan Embarrsed Says Excluded from bin Laden Raid".

 

Are they REALLY embarrassed?  I don't think so.  They should be, but they're not. 

 

Let the drone attacks in Pakistan continue.  When the Paks complain about violations of their sovereignty, I want the US response to be like Belushi in Animal House after smashing that guy's guitar:

255 @JimPethokoukis

Trail to OBL began w/ "aggressive interrogations at Guantanamo Bay, CIA “black site" prisons overseas"-U.S. officials

Slaughter in Iraq "was bin Laden's great moral undoing" and collapsed his support among global Muslim community

"After Qahtani was subjected to some of the humiliating interrogations at [Gitmo] ... he started to cooperate"

Qahtani "provided a wealth of information about al-Qaida, including references to the courier in question, the U.S. official said."

256 Eman you must not be paying attention. They don't care if they die. They want to be martyrs. You don't get it.

257 Can't you understand that we are telling Muslims they can be Muslims, but if they fuck with us they die?

You do remember these are people who kill themselves just to kill us, right?  They don't care about dying.  Life is trivial to them.  What matters to them is the chauvinism that Islam is superior to all other religions and governments.  If you respect Islam, the message is that Allah will not allow even the infidel to violate it, and that even we ultimately know their religion is *true*.

It will encourage, not discourage them.

258 283 http://tinyurl.com/3vb922w

259 Anybody still here?

260

Are they REALLY embarrassed?  I don't think so.  They should be, but they're not. 

Let the drone attacks in Pakistan continue.  When the Paks complain about violations of their sovereignty, I want the US response to be like Belushi in Animal House after smashing that guy's guitar:

Posted by: Kortezzi at May 03, 2011 11:16 AM (piR9

If they're embarrassed it's only because the jig is up.

261 Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 11:11 AM (G/MYk)


You still here?

262 Fox News is reporting that Obama is still weighing whether to release the photos.

263 Eman you must not be paying attention. They don't care if they die. They want to be martyrs. You don't get it. Posted by: polynikes at May 03, 2011 11:16 AM (lSnks) This is true for the radicals. The propaganda is not directed at them.

264 Anybody still here?

Got a light?

265 Drudge finally changed his headline to read White house TO release.....from his previous White House releaseS.

266 Humane and civilized for our daily life, but ruthless and merciless, when necessary.

It's not even the actual muzzie rites the Indonesian made the military give bin laden's waste of flesh corpse, it's how they are stupidly begging the muzzie world to believe that they did it "correctly".  That is dhimmitude of the worst sort.  Especially as the muzzies love to see their corpses crowd surfing on the way to their final resting.  LOL.  And, for those who weren't satisfied with that muslim rite idiocy, Hussein thought it important (in the same address as the death of bin laden) to stress that "We are not at war with islam.  We will never be at war with islam."  Not only is islam at war with us, NOW, but ... "never"?  WTF? 

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 10:53 AM (G/MYk)

We executed OBL, ruthlessly and without mercy, as was necessary.  Its corpse got the minimal ritual.

I do agree with you on the points about dhimmitude and "Not at War with Islam," especially the latter one.  We didn't start the troubles, didn't go looking for trouble; they brought it on us.  We should be of a mind and spine to make sure it ends in our favor.

267 294 Drudge finally changed his headline to read White house TO release.....from his previous White House releaseS.

Lame

268 Its corpse got the minimal ritual. a prayer asking for it to be admitted to paradise.

Seriously, stop trying to make stupid quisling behavior sound tough.  The tough guys shot him.  The bible-burning don't-touch-the-koran set handled the funeral.  It's a disgrace.

269

We executed OBL, ruthlessly and without mercy, as was necessary.  Its corpse got the minimal ritual.

Yeah, I feel so much better he got the minimal ritual. What ritual did those people jumping out of the twin towers get? What ritual did those Blackwater guys murdered, burned and hung from a bridge get? Civility is wasted on these people. We are kidding ourselves that this is good propaganda. It is in fact a wast of time and a smooch on the ass of dhimmitude.

270 Lame

Posted by: Barbarian at May 03, 2011 11:25 AM (EL+OC)

I know, right?  You were right above....he's a hit whore.

271

In a portion of an ABC radio interview between a female broadcaster And General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters..

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL COSGROVE: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see how.. We will be teaching them proper Rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm. 

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.

GENERAL COSGROVE: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, But you're not one, are you?

The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, this interview was over.

272 @allahpundit: Wikileaks file suggests courier's ID supplied by AQ operative captured in...Iraq http://is.gd/TVG38R

273 I find it interesting that the blood thirsty Boosh-Darth Cheney administration captured Sadam Hussein alive and handed him over for trial... but the hope and changey Obama administration went for assassination.   I guess the new tone isn't what I was expecting it to be. 

274 The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, this interview was over.

Posted by: Chain Mail at May 03, 2011 11:29 AM (NgFRh)

 

OMG...too funny!

Although, she's the media, so I'm not to sure about the general's conclusion.

 

275 Fox News is reporting that Obama is still weighing whether to release the photos.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby

He should wikileak them, this way he has deny-ability.

276 Dem communications advisor sends-out memo stating that Dems must deny Bush credit:

“In your day jobs, do not let Republicans turn this into continuing the Bush legacy. This has to be about Obama’s decisive leadership,” the guidance said. “He is the one who oversaw bringing bin Laden to justice, much like how Bush failed to do so at Tora Bora and then claimed Osama wasn’t a priority.”

http://tinyurl.com/3b7n9u7

277 I wonder why this obvious lie hasn't been picked up - "There was no choice but burial at sea."  The rationale has varied from "We don't want a shrine/target" to "No country will take him".

Proof of lie:  Bury him on a U.S. military base.

278 Cantor floats idea of clean debt limit bill

"Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told reporters in the Capitol that 'if it is necessary for us to tell the president that [a clean vote] is dead on arrival in the House, I believe we can do that.'

So the idea would be to hold a vote with the purpose of having it fail miserably.

279

Proof of lie:  Bury him on a U.S. military base.

An artillary range would be nice. Just have to bury him quick, before the guns open up...

280

Yeah.  What's up?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 11:20 AM (G/MYk)

Sorry,  My internet keeps crapping out. I've got some information I think you might be interested in.

281 Take a look at this.


Link.

282 Ah, good, you've seen it. Now take a look at the link in the next message. (i've got to find it again.)

283 Download this picture, magnify it, and look at what is on the chair arm.

Damn link is messing up. I'll try again on the next message.

284

Damit, it's still not working. I'll go to tinyurl.

285 DL, you're having a hell of a day.

286 http://tinyurl.com/572baa


Try this. I HATE Ace's link system.

287 I'm actually quite pleased with myself at the moment. I think I may have cracked the case.

288

I've seen that pic before.  Pam Geller ran a few of Stanley's racy ones a while ago.  What's the connection with the music?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 11:57 AM (G/MYk)

LOOK at what is on the arm of the chair.  Look at the Release date of the Album.

289 January 1, 1960. When was the picture taken? Notice that the Christmas Presents are UNOPENED.

290 315 DL, you're having a hell of a day.

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 11:55 AM (VuLos)

Sorry, I'm buzzed up on coffee and a bit excited. That earlier message was meant for you but I forgot to quote your message to indicate it.

291 I'm sorry, but there are THREE pictures in that set. I thought you had them. Here, i'll send them to you on the next message.

The date of all THREE pictures was DECEMBER, 1960. It is the ONLY time period that fits.

292 http://tinyurl.com/6r9yjf


Here's the one with the Unopened Christmas presents in it.

293 And the one with "M****" _____ "Chris***" in the background.


http://tinyurl.com/5o2zn5

294 Oh, and how we know it's Stanley Ann.

http://tinyurl.com/63bd85c


Look at the teeth of the Woman in the picture after magnification. You can see the same sort of indentation at the same place in Stanley's teeth.

295
Now, I ask you. What are the Odds that Barack Obama Sr. would have an Apartment in December of 1960 with a Phonograph and an entire collection of American Jazz records, as well as a very nice pair of ladies shoes? Oh, and he has to have a camera too.

296 Now what is so particularly interesting about the period between December 1rst and December 25th, 1960 in Stanley Ann Dunham's life?

A time when she happens to be posing Naked in the living room apartment of someone who like American Jazz, and likes to take pictures of a Naked woman? Odds are, if she's posing, she's putting out.

What do you think?

297 I am convinced that Barack Obama is a "Natural Born Citizen."

298 I am convinced that Barack Obama is a "Natural Born Citizen."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 12:19 PM (v2K2g)

FMD?

299
I don't know what the story with those pictures is supposed to be.  Who took them?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 03, 2011 12:18 PM (G/MYk)

You haven't been keeping up with this aspect of the story?

Frank Marshall Davis is a Black man originally from Chicago, who was a good friend and poker buddy with Stanley Dunham. (Barack's grandfather.) He admits to being a swinger (in his autobiography) and loved having sex with white women. (His wife was white.) Rather than tell you what I've learned, i'll just  point you to a link where you can review some information yourself.

Next message.

300
Start here, and read through various links. You will find out more about the people in the Early part of Stanley Ann's life than you would have believed. Make sure you find the part about Frank Davis's autobiography where he admits having sex with a 14 year old white girl named "Ann."


http://tinyurl.com/6n8qux

301

FMD?

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 12:20 PM (VuLos)

That would be my guess. A lot of evidence points to him, and what I figured out today points to an American Black male. Would a Kenyan' have a Jazz music collection?

302 See paragraph 9 from this site:

http://tinyurl.com/ygkelww

303 336 See paragraph 9 from this site:

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 12:33 PM (VuLos)

I haven't seen that site before, but it pretty much jives with what i've read elsewhere. I'm going to bookmark it.


What do YOU think about whether I pinned down the date properly?

304
What do YOU think about whether I pinned down the date properly?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 12:39 PM (v2K2g)

If the publication date on the album is correct, you're probably correct about where the photos were taken.

The only other explanation could be that they were taken at her parent's house.

305
The only other explanation could be that they were taken at her parent's house.

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 12:41 PM (VuLos)

She would be taking nude photographs at her parent's house?

306

She would be taking nude photographs at her parent's house?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 12:43 PM (v2K2g)

Well not necessarily while they were home.

307

Well not necessarily while they were home.

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 12:44 PM (VuLos)

Eh, could be. I would assume the Jazz collection would be more like FMD's type music than The Dunham's or Barack Obama Sr.'s.

Anyway, the time frame must almost certainly be after Thanksgiving and before Christmas 1960. Obama was born August 4, 1961. Nine months earlier is EXACTLY the time period of those nude pictures.

308 The other question I have is who is more likely to have up a tree w/ presents and decorations on the wall for Christmas....The Dunhams or Davis?

I'd guess the Dunhams....but I could be wrong.

309 342 The other question I have is who is more likely to have up a tree w/ presents and decorations on the wall for Christmas....The Dunhams or Davis?

I'd guess the Dunhams....but I could be wrong.

Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 12:51 PM (VuLos)

Or a muslim exchange student?

Davis was married by the way.

310 Oh wow, look: it's the crazy sacks of shit all gathered in this quiet corner of AoSHQ, sharing Birther pr0n! 

You people are fucking saaaad.

311 344 Oh wow, look: it's the crazy sacks of shit all gathered in this quiet corner of AoSHQ, sharing Birther pr0n! 

You people are fucking saaaad.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 03, 2011 12:58 PM (U8Os0)

Thank you for your contribution. It is about what I would expect from someone not astute enough to realize when he's being played.

312 Interesting stuff, nice sleuthing DL!

313 346 Interesting stuff, nice sleuthing DL!

Posted by: Smash'em at May 03, 2011 01:11 PM (0fOi9)

Thanks. I could kick myself because I THOUGHT of doing this two years ago. I just figured "experts" would do it, so I didn't bother. 

314 I'll check back later.

315 I really like this website , and hope you will write more ,thanks a lot for your information.

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