1 gheyest band ever?

2 Sorry to hear that, Open Blogger.

3

It's morning in America, somewhere

Perhaps the sun will shine

But there's tears and sadness at the MBM

For Casey Obama has struck out

4

The commie dictator wants to significantly jack up CAFE standards via executive fiat

Funny me, I thought these were set via legislative act.

5

The Hill is glad to regurgitate Obama lies

You know at the height of the Clinton lying machine the press recognized he was a liar and made niggling little comments about it. No so with this lying asshole.

6

Gee who would-a-thunk it. Pass more laws get more crime

And this law they are talking about here I personally knew someone who ran afoul of this. He was picking up stuff while hiking through a national park in KY. It is a damn felony, not just simple little shit.

7

Ah, new threads always have a nice bacon-y smell.

Of course, eventually, it turns to a dusty hobo scent, but we can enjoy it for a little while.

For Casey Obama has struck out

LOL. He's going to keep striking out against Republicans today, isn't he?

8

The Obama years...

The Daze of Whine and Poses.

9 If you both work a divorce will pay for the trip to Bermuda.

10 LOL. He's going to keep striking out against Republicans today, isn't he?

Well since the umpires are totally in his back pocket he gets an infinite number of strikes.

11 I'd love to see a picture of President BoyChild at 11:01 this morning, sitting all alone at a conference table, looking like a little boy behind daddy's desk.

12 The State Department has a new secret private army of 5,500 of "screw 'em" mercenaries in Iraq.  What could go wrong ?

13 11 I'd love to see a picture of President BoyChild at 11:01 this morning, sitting all alone at a conference table, looking like a little boy behind daddy's desk. Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2011 08:33 AM (MMC8r) With a rattle in one hand and a half-eaten cookie in the other ...

14 Feel good story of the day.

Clearly jars must be banned to Save Teh Planet...unless black bears contribute to global warmening, and then I need to wait for some high-school dropout celebrity to tell me what to think.  *eep!*

15 I don't know why Boehner gave that JEF as much time as he did.. He should never have been negotiating with him.. Boehner should be working a deal with Reid and other leaders of the Senate and pass it up to the White House.  Then Obama can decide to sign it or not.

16 He will still "win" MI. The unions will pull him across because they control the auto companies now and they don't worry about evil "profit" and they are protected from bankruptcy.

17 I'd love to see a picture of President BoyChild at 11:01 this morning, sitting all alone at a conference table, looking like a little boy behind daddy's desk.
Posted by: nickless at July 23, 2011 08:33 AM

Forget that one, bucko.

At least according to MSNBC, Boner will be going, hat in hand, to the White House this morning. Who knows what "grand bargain" they'll come up with?

Most of the Repubs in D.C. are whining p*ssies. Osama Obama will win, now and in '12, and the country will continue its slide into the toilet.

As "Poppin' Fresh" would say, "in fairness...." My question: "in fairness" to who? This regime has peculiar ideas of "fairness." Oh, to be a Muzzie, an America-hater or a member of a protected minority!

18 Even as we speak car companies are not meeting the current cafe standards that were passed by congress in 2007 after the commies took over.

Rather than build cars that nobody wants they simply pay the EPA fines and pass the cost on to consumers.

19 "The bear weighed just 115 pounds, when it should have weighed around 200. It was released into the Cherokee National Forest." We can safely assume that the upstart who scribbled this line did not seek the opinion of 'Chelle, Goddess of All Things Avoisdupoisian.

20 He was picking up stuff while hiking through a national park in KY. It is a damn felony, not just simple little shit.

Damn.  Maybe it's a good thing I'm too lazy to label my fossils with more than state/county.

21

“Fifty six (miles-per-gallon) is a sweet spot that is both achievable, reasonable, highly beneficial in terms of as economic standpoint, and will meet the president’s goals of dramatically reducing our dependence on foreign oil,” (Jack) Gillis told Fox News. - from the "56 mpg CAFE Standard!"

Under what  interpretation of the 3 Laws of Thermodynamics does this jackwagon operate under?  a "56 mpg CAFE Standard" would mean

1) smaller, lighter cars - suprisingly unpopular with many people

2) high technology - read very expensive - hybrid systems (batteries, supercapacitor regen, high performance turbo diesels or ICE)

3) An overall decline in sales of new cars - people will hold onto their older cars longer.  In fact, I'd bet that a "56 mpg CAFE standard" will spur a whole new business of doing major rebuilds of older cars.  And that will probably spur the government to mandate the removal of cars of a certain age from the road. Fascism Marches On!!

22 You know at the height of the Clinton lying machine the press recognized he was a liar and made niggling little comments about it. No so with this lying asshole.

Here the Boston Globe knows who is responsible for the collapse of the debt talks:

"Barack Obama took office vowing to usher in a post-partisan era that would drain the toxic anger of the Bush years and focus the country on practical, long-overdue reforms. Like Bush, he was no doubt sincere in wanting to unite the country. Unlike Bush, he has governed in a manner largely consistent with that ideal. A lot of good it's done him: Washington is more poisonous than ever. And as Congress courts disaster by threatening to default on the national debt, Obama must marvel at his plight. Practically a caricature of Spock-like rationality and sober caution, he's presiding over a capital that has become completely unhinged."

The god damn post-partisans just won't recognize Obama's "Spock-like rationality and sober caution."  If the post partisans just gave Obama all of the free money he wants, this debt crisis would be over.

23 Their dark fur does soak up lots of heat ... unlike the poor, drowning, reflective Polar bears. Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 23, 2011 08:39 AM (G/MYk) That's "moody, reflective and deep" polar bears, bucko! After all, they're practically scandis ...

24

What is the background of the Norwegian bomber?

Is he a convert to Islam?

A neo-Nazi?

Just a crazy paranoid schizophrenic loon?

 

 

25 This man [Obama] thinks he knows everything about everything to the point where he is immune to fundamental laws of science and economics . What he needs is a person smart enough and with the confidence to say, "Mr. President, you are wrong."

26 What is the background of the Norwegian bomber?

Nobody

27 He will still "win" MI. The unions will pull him across because they control the auto companies now and they don't worry about evil "profit" and they are protected from bankruptcy.

Posted by: Vic

Maybe not. Outside of "Greater Detroit" and Ann Arbor the state is pretty conservative/Republican.  If the viability of Detroit continues to decline and people vote with their feet, Michigan going Republican is not inconceivable.

28 An overall decline in sales of new cars

That's the point.  They want to restrict private motor vehicle ownership to the rich and politically connected (BIRM).  The rest of us serfs need to be forced back onto the bus...or back to the19th-century, when most Americans never traveled more than 25 miles from their birthplace.

29 Practically a caricature of Spock-like rationality and sober caution ... A person sitting across from me at the dining table who uttered that odious bullshit would be pulling a fork out of their hand ...

30

But Spock had people writing his dialogue.

Oh, wait...

31

What is the background of the Norwegian bomber?

Is he a convert to Islam?

A neo-Nazi?

Just a crazy paranoid schizophrenic loon?

The fine folks over at Little Green Footballs are rapturously proclaiming that he is a Christian.

32 I don't know.  I see Obama more as Kahn't.

33 That's the point.  They want to restrict private motor vehicle ownership to the rich and politically connected (BIRM).  The rest of us serfs need to be forced back onto the bus...or back to the19th-century, when most Americans never traveled more than 25 miles from their birthplace.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 23, 2011 08:51 AM (0vDuM)

TRAAAAAIIIIIIIIINS!

34 Practically a caricature of Spock-like rationality and sober caution, he's presiding over a capital that has become completely unhinged.

I love when "edjukated" people use big words completely wrong while they're trying to pose as sooper-smart.

I'm reading this as an endorsement of his bit yesterday when he was bitching about how having three branches of government is inferior to just letting him rule over us as Führer.  What madmen thought it was a good idea to give elected representatives of the unwashed masses any sort of power?!

35

Somebody said that he ran an "organic farm".

 

36 Passed, a House bill which makes a 6.4% cut to the congressional budget (Legislative Branch Appropriations Act)

37 Worst morning ever. 

Some little neighborhood shit thought it would be hilarious to ring the doorbell of the parents of a Marine at 5:30 in the morning and run.

Jarred the two of us from sleep and we both rushed to the door with our hearts racing.

Son hasn't deployed yet, but is heavy into training, which is certainly not without risk.

I swear to God, I'll choke to death a bastard if I ever catch him.

38 House Conference Chair Hensarling, R weekly address:

"The Democrats who run Washington are pretty good at telling us what theyÂ’re against, but they have yet to put a plan on the table that tells us what theyÂ’re for. Sen. Reid, if you donÂ’t like our plan to deal with the debt crisis, where is your plan?  Mr. President, if you donÂ’t like our plan to deal with the debt crisis, where is your plan?"

39

The Obama years...

The Daze of Whine and Poses.

Posted by: bigred at July 23, 2011 08:29 AM (weBtw)

 

Awesome

40 O/T, but I have a question.  When a state recognizes gay marriages, I assume that marriage would be legal in every state.  Is that right?  And if it is, does that carry over to other things, such as concealed carry rights? 

41

Morning, morons.

Got some good news on a possible job late yesterday.  Hope to get called for an interview next week.   I feel like I am running out of time to get employed before the bottom drops out of this economy completely.

Hubby also interviewed for a promotion at his office last Monday.  Would mean a sizable raise for him, and he hasn't had one in three years.

Send us some good vibes y'all!

42

Send us some good vibes y'all!

Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2011 09:19 AM (lSyyU)

Good luck to the both of you!!

43 Multiple tales this morning of how Boehner as become a nasty evil conservative to please his hard-core conservative conference. The Hill is also repeating and expanding on the deal first reported by the NYT, including that bit about potential repeal of the individual mandate. But it still sounds too good to be true and it;s two different sides giving their perspective.

44

Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2011 09:19 AM (lSyyU)

Thoughts and prayers for you and your husband.  Good luck!

45 #48 It depends on state laws.  Some states have already passed laws stating they will not recognize any marriage from any state other than that between a man and a woman.  Other are silent and it will probably be litigated.  This is going to be a big issue in some states now because New York does not have a residency requirement for marriage licenses.  New Jersey apparently doesn't have any specific law on recognizing marriages performed in other states, and there are a lot of same-sex couples from there planning to get married in New York.  NJ does have a civil union law that provides couples pretty much all the legal advantages of marriage.  But there will surely be some couple that will litigate it anyway.

46 Cantor: House "likely" to vote on balanced-budget amendment next week

_{/The Hill quoting Cantor email (as opposed to anon. sources)}

47 Best wises and good luck to him, rockmom.

48

#51 I am totally not believing anything reported by any MSM outlet on these supposed "deals."  It's obvious they are all carrying water for the White House and think nothing of outright lying if it will help their boyfriend look good.

This whole game has been all about splitting the GOP and demoralizing the Tea Party.  Reporting so-called deals that involve huge tax increases or dangle things like repeals of the individual mandate or other parts of ObamaCare are explicitly designed to get us riled up and bitching at Boehner.

They are trying their best to manipulate us and divide us.  It's the only chance Obama has to get reelected, and if they fail, he is done and so are they.

49 crossing fingers for both of you, rockmom!

50 "The bear weighed just 115 pounds, when it should have weighed around 200. It was released into the Cherokee National Forest."

We can safely assume that the upstart who scribbled this line did not seek the opinion of 'Chelle, Goddess of All Things Avoisdupoisian.

Shhh. Don't give 'em any ideas, or we may find The Jarhead Diet to be the official government solution to those obese kids we hear so much about these days.

51 Fuck it.  I just skipped to the bottom to say this -

When the Jap cars first started hitting American soil, they were getting at least 30-35 MPG almost 40 years ago....

40 years ago, all the computing power on the planet would be dwarfed by my Netbook...  shit, mebbe even my Galaxy Smart Phone could kick The 70's ass...

And they're gonna sit there and tell us, that despite all the technological and engineering advances since then, a ride still only scores 30-35 MPG*?? 

WTF, Chuck??  I call shenanigans and BULLSHIT!! on the whole fucking works.

*I ain't countin' that POSrius 'cause in the long run, it'll wind up costing more than the $$M.S.R.P. to operate and maintain than a straight Dino-Juice burner...

52 OMG, these reports of the massacre in Norway are so horrible.  This is like Beslan all over again.  As the mom of two teens it is breaking my heart.  What kind of monster could do such a thing?  How can such evil exist in the world?  It is a mystery. 

53 who says the TEA party is demoralized?  if not for them, the GOP would have rolled months ago. 

54 When a state recognizes gay marriages, I assume that marriage would be legal in every state.

There have been quite a few entertaining stories about idiots who took a vacation to get gay-married in MA later being refused divorces by the states where they actually reside.  Apparently MA will marry anyone who drops in for a few days, but won't hear divorce petitions from non-residents. 

No-fault divorce and "starter marriages" are so culturally acceptable--shit, they're practically the only rite of passage to adulthood we have left, I am so sick of people insisting I'm a child because all my relationships have ended before we needed lawyers to divide my assets--people don't think through "getting married" except in terms of romance and "free" health insurance from employers.

55 57 #51 I am totally not believing anything reported by any MSM outlet on these supposed "deals."  It's obvious they are all carrying water for the White House and think nothing of outright lying if it will help their boyfriend look good.

This whole game has been all about splitting the GOP and demoralizing the Tea Party.  Reporting so-called deals that involve huge tax increases or dangle things like repeals of the individual mandate or other parts of ObamaCare are explicitly designed to get us riled up and bitching at Boehner...

I agree. The details to be considered with some degree of certainty (IMO) are those related by named GOP sources. Most everything else last night and early this morning is about calling Boehner some hardliner who is unwilling to accept a good deal because he takes his orders from the Tea Party. It's a line (well, several) borrowed from Obama's screed yesterday evening.

56 61 OMG, these reports of the massacre in Norway are so horrible.  This is like Beslan all over again.  As the mom of two teens it is breaking my heart.  What kind of monster could do such a thing?  How can such evil exist in the world?  It is a mystery. 

Posted by: rockmom at July 23, 2011 09:34 AM (lSyyU)

Checked out the NYT this morning.  They're calling the killer a "Christian fundamentalist" and "far-right winger."  Of course, at least one of the commenters equated the killer with the Tea Party.  Because as a Tea Partier myself, I'm all about violence.  Shades of Gabby Giffords all over again.

57 When will progress stop? The republican party is too divided right now.

58 I saw that Jane about the bomber being a "Christian Fundamentalist". An angry uneducated white guy who lived off daddy?

59 Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 23, 2011 09:32 AM (YGzTa) Thermodynamics. Ever heard of it?

60

Kelly, I'm not suggesting the Tea Party is demoralized, I am suggesting that the White House is coordinating with the MBM in an all-out effort to demoralize us and split the Republican Party.  They know the Tea Party people are suspicious of Boehner and downright hostile to Mitch McConnell; so what do they do?  Continue to pump up McConnell's plan and undermine Boehner by floating all these "deals" he is supposedly working on behind the backs of the Tea Party freshmen.  It's so damned obvious what they are doing.

Shame on us if it works.  I'm with '80sBaby, we HAVE to rely ONLY on named sources in these reports, and not assume Boehner is lying.  That is exactly what the White House and the media want us to believe. 

61 And by the way, anyone here who has a Democrat Senator should be raining that office with calls and emails, demanding that they pass Cut, Cap, and Balance and PRODUCE A BUDGET.  Since the media are giving them a free pass, we have to keep the heat on them.  I've been calling Bob Casey's office every day this week.  I've written a letter to the Inquirer but I doubt they will run it.

62 Thank you all for answering my question.  I think it is absurd that only the second amendment has so many restrictions imposed on it, and so many calls to even more restrict it.  As far as I can tell (with the new exception of calls to limit displays of Christianity)  only gun rights are so constantly under siege.

63 Good morning, morons.

Unfathomably depressing news from Norway.  God bless the victims and their families. 

FWIW, Jawa has had the best updates that I've found.  I still think it's odd that the guy's FB and Twitter feeds were both new and meticulously (according to Jawa) put together, but with very little history. It sounds as if both were done for effect.  IIRC Jawa said he had had an older FB page which was taken down some time back and replaced by the new one about a week before the attacks.  Someone - maybe just him or maybe a group - was trying to make a very specific point by including the things they included, such as his (supposed - sorry, but someone who does this shit isn't really a Christian) religion and membership in the Masons. 

At home, I hope Boehner hangs tough.

64 How many dems voted for the House bill on CCB?

65 How many dems voted for the House bill on CCB?

IIANM 5 voted for it.

66 "Thermodynamics. Ever heard of it?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT"

As a matter of fact, yes I have.  Understand it completely?  Not so much. 

But, can you explain to me how a computer controlled, fuel injected, etc., etc., 2011 Civic only gets just a coupla more MPG than a carb'd early '70s model does??

I ain't tryin' to be a jerk, but if you can put me some knowledge, help a Moron out....

67 3 It's morning in America, somewhere Perhaps the sun will shine But there's tears and sadness at the MBM For Casey Obama has struck out ---------- For Casey Anthony has snuck out (sigh; no HTML editing on the iPhone; can't strike through)

68 Y-not,
Good points about the facebook issue.  Remember, just this week we were exposed to a 10 million dollar PSA from Napolitano showing that terrorists are white people.  Pretty convenient.  I pray for the gentle people of Norway, and all gentle people everywhere.

69 I don't know what that nut in Norway's background is, but the MSM is certainly crowing about the fact that he has "blue eyes".

70 Those 60s vintage Toyotas didn't get much better gas mileage than the ones now do. All of that baout huge gas mileage then was pretty much a myth unless you were talking about the real small engines with only 40 hp.

One other thing was that back then they didn't have a shitton of anti-smog equipment on the engine bogging it down.

If you wanted to drive a tiny vehicle with a 50 hp engine you can get good gas mileage now. The problem is that nobody wants to drive tiny vehicle with a 50 hp engine.

71 BTW, I had a 3.97 average in thermo.

72 74 IIANM 5 voted for it.

Boren, Cooper, Matheson, McIntyre, Shuler

73 @77
There's just something screwy about the timing.  The Norwegians finally, as I understand it, do something about their domestic terror cell, and that's when this dude decides to attack?  Really weird.

I think it's most likely he was just a hateful person, because his plan seems designed to maximize his chance to take out as many of these politicians' kids in a very personal way -- it's almost like the bombings were secondary. 

Sick mothereffer. 

74 There are many progressives who want cars with 50 hp engines Vic. I have two homosexual neighbors with a yellow smartcar.

75 As for the hard on the Islamists and their enablers on the Left are getting about his (supposed) Christianity, when they show me footage of his bishop exhorting the congregation to wipe out Muslims (or Jews or whoever), I might be persuaded to see some parallels.  Otherwise, the Jihadis and the Progs can stfu. 

76 Update at Long War Journal.  Much more thoughtful comments than at most sites. 

77 Re: Norway - of course, nobody is going to ask how such a pleasant, peaceful, progressive state like Norway could produce suck a violent sicko.  That shit suppsedly only happens in America, where we worship guns and have Rush Limbaugh ordering people to bomb government buildings every day.

78 @86
Well obviously he subscribed to Rush's podcasts. 


A commenter at Jawa pointed out the obvious -- that their sites and other anti-Jihadist sites are likely to experience a lot of "scrutiny" from government agencies.  Purely out of "concern" of course. 

It sickens me to think about the folks who will be making political hay out of this.

79 I have two homosexual neighbors with a yellow smartcar.

Like I said, nobody.

What is funny is a few years ago the CEO of Toyota was in the State to dedicate the opening of a new Toyota factory over in Florence county. He was asked about the Prius which had been out for about a year but had only sold 2 cars in the entire State.

He said that they really would not be cost-effective until gasoline reached $5.00/gal (pre-QE dollars).

80 "One other thing was that back then they didn't have a shitton of anti-smog equipment on the engine bogging it down.
Posted by: Vic"

'Tis true.  That part of the equation slipped my mind...  24+ hours w/o sleep and a copious amount of Val-U-Rite will do that to you.

Iffin I's to strip all that emissions bullshit off the Camry, I'd bet that fucker'd get close to 50 MPG..

And is that a cubic or a metric shit ton??

81 The first testicular guard, the "Cup," was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974. That means it only took 100 years for men to realize that their brain is also important. Ladies.....Quit Laughing.

82 Vic..I think calling homosexuals "Nobody" is a hate crime.

83 Probably is except I'm safe in this State. We don't have "hate crimes".

84 Interesting post at Gates of Vienna.


BTW, is it a hate crime on my part to point out that the Norwegian body-builder turned killer looks ghey as a 3 dollar bill?

85

From Automotive.com

Below is a list of all the new vehicles that, according to the EPA, cross the magical 50 mpg barrier:

2011 Nissan Leaf; MSRP $32,780

 

 

end list

 

Ah, but many motorcycles (organ donors) get well over 50 mpg.  Just keep your mouth closed while riding.

86 Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 23, 2011 10:23 AM (YGzTa)
Back when all this emission crap started, I thought it would be a great idea to have a regulation free design option, that is any engine with a displacement of less than 1.0 ℓ would have no emission regulations.  I think the creativity allowed by this would have lead to some very interested high performance high mileage designs.

87 Posted by: Count de Monet at July 23, 2011 10:38 AM (4q5tP)
Don't forget to factor in the repair bills for Leaf accidents and the hospital bills for motorcyclists.

88 Boehner spox: Boehner will tell Obama today that, to pass the House, cuts must be greater than debt limit hike.

89 There are many progressives who want cars with 50 hp engines Vic. I have two homosexual neighbors with a yellow smartcar.

Posted by: richrepublican

Amd frankly, Smartcars do not get THAT great a mileage.  They were originally intended as little commuter cars for big European cities that have minimal parking.

There are some nice (little) cars out there that get very good mileage:

Austin Mini-cooper

VW Geo 1.5 TD

But the CAFE standards apply to a Fleet average. The AVERAGE of a car maker's fleet of manufactured cars would have to be  56 mpg. Some lower, some higher, but that is ridiculous. I wouldn't mind owning a little car/high mileage to commute in, but for a long roadtrip, or a family with kids, that's ridiculous.

The "thermodynamics" aspect is well explained by the anecdotes people have made about little cars in the '70's that got "great mileage". Computer engine management, hybrids, etc. can improve performance and mileage at the margins, but the basic efficiency of burning liquid fuel with air in a combustion chamber is only going to yield so much energy that can be converted to motion (kinetic energy) through a crank gear and transmission to a drive shaft and road wheels.

Battery powered cars are, I think, a false hope. Any battery that can actually store very high energy levels (high electrical density) would itself become pretty unstable. Small flaws in the designs of newer lithium batteries have caused them to be fire hazards at times (eg, computer laptop batteries).  Just imagine what a really big battery (to drive a car) would be like if they were occasionally flawed and decayed or discharge dramatically.

90 Count, back in my EMS days, we called 'em DONORcycles....

91 In an engine that operates in a cycle the thermodynamic process is more efficient if you raise the temperature of the energy source and lower the temperature of the heat rejection cycle.

However, more efficient doesn't necessarily convert to "cheaper".   Right now the fact is that gasoline has much more energy per gal than other available fuels and given equal design features will get the best miles per gallon of use.

92 FORGER, take a look at typical weights of late 1950's to mid-60's sedans, compared to new ones. The new ones are several hundred pounds heavier. Now, the Miracle of Unibody was supposed to save a lot of weight, every metal trim part replaced with plastic was "to save weight," and engines are made of alloy now instead of cast iron, so that's one hell of a lot of airbag we're lugging around.

Also, early hi-milers used leaded fuel: 100% gasoline, leaded fuel you could run an airplane engine on.  You're now burning 10%[+] alcohol, in a lower compression head. Not a recipe for efficiency, I don't care what the snot-nosed brats on AutoGreen say.

93

Rockmom, good luck to you and your husband!

94 But, can you explain to me how a computer controlled, fuel injected, etc., etc., 2011 Civic only gets just a coupla more MPG than a carb'd early '70s model does??

I ain't tryin' to be a jerk, but if you can put me some knowledge, help a Moron out....

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at July 23, 2011 09:57 AM (YGzTa)

I gots a solid B+ in high school physics, I'll give 'er a whack.  First, what is the difference in mass between as 1973 CVCC and a 2011 Civic?  Then, what's the difference in the coefficient of drag between the two models?

Then there's this.  In 1973, the Honda Civic was introduced as a 2-door coupe and a 3-door hatchback with a 70 cubic inch (1170 cc) engine that produced 50 hp, got 40 mpg, sported 12-inch wheels, was 140 inches in overall length and weighed about 1,500 pounds.  Power front disc brakes, manual transmission, AM radio, vinyl seats, and reclining bucket seats all came as standard equipment.  Optional equipment included air conditioning, automatic transmission, radial tires, and a rear wiper on the hatchback.  The Civic's slogan was, "It'll get you where you're going."

In the following decades, the Civic got longer, wider, heavier, more powerful, and more plushly trimmed out w/power everything.

Long answer short:  they ain't the same car.  Ain't it great that Honda engineers were able to keep the Civic's high mpg while transforming it from Karen Carpenter thin to Meggie Mac plush?

95 If Breivik had been a Muslim, Y-not, some of us would have been "making hay" too. Sometimes the plate of turd sandwiches gets passed to us.

Ace will be better off than some sites out here. When someone here even jokes about doing a Breivik, Ace bans and/or humiliates and/or reports the weirdo. I've done some ragging on Ace (and even more on the cob loggers) but I never did see anything wrong about sweeping the nuts out of the comment section.

96 Let us not forget that when Oslo happened, it was Muslim groups who (a) took credit and (b) said that it was payback for lots of things, including the cartoons.

Murderous sociopaths can be affiliated with any group, but what matters is the group that cheers him.

97 Shit, comatus, a 50-60's American sedan prolly outweighed the early Civis by AT LEAST 1000 pounds...

Of course, The Ol' Lady's 2011 Camry SE prolly outweighs the early Civics by several hundred pounds...  but I'm not expecting it to get 50 MPG, cause we both have a heavy foot and that 4-banger bitch will get you from 0 to "Take Me To Jail" fast with the quickness.

I took it out on I-55 and I didn't floor it, but steady, heavy mashin' on it got me into Trip-Digits in under 0.5 mile..  I was runnin' 112 MPH before I had to get outta it for traffic, but She didn't show no signs of quitting.  And she corners like a roller coaster. 

It's rated for 35(?) MPG, but my size 13 and it's response and handling cut that down at least by half...

But it's the most fun I've ever had at $3.50/gal....

98 "Ain't it great that Honda engineers were able to keep the Civic's high mpg while transforming it from Karen Carpenter thin to Meggie Mac plush?
Posted by: Count de Monet"

Same-same for the Camry.  One of our front desk girls drives a mid 90's Camry and the difference is like night and day. 

I guess if you can keep the same MPG and increase the comfort, size, sportiness and almost 4X the H.P., it's a WINNAH!!

Now, if they could do something in the OPPOSITE direction about the $27K sticker................

99 Matter of fact, I hate to admit its almost as much fun to blast the twistys in it as it is on my 1200 H-D Sportster..

100 104 If Breivik had been a Muslim

Well, we really don't know that he isn't.  The fact that we don't hear a lot about his prior activities (a la Hassan or Loughner) suggests that he was a real sociopath and likely had few social contacts at all.  The language barrier is obviously hampering knowledge on this.

The five day old Facebook account is suspicious also.  For what purpose?  There isn't a rant.

101 Amish, sorry, but your post #105 is illogical.

That group which cheers a given murder might not matter in all cases. What matters most is what spurred the murderer in the first place; what made him think he was doing the right thing. Those cheering him after the fact only matter in this case if they kept cheering him; they only matter when they make him a saint.

Ansar al-Islam are assholes, and they've proven themselves a criminal organisation just for making clear that they would make saints of similar vermin who happened to be Muslim. But in this case, they're a sideshow.

102 @104
When someone here even jokes about doing a Breivik, Ace bans and/or humiliates and/or reports the weirdo.

Completely agree. 

That wasn't really my point.  My point was that this administration is looking for any excuse to shut down dissent (see: Fox News), so this site - but more particularly the dedicated anti-Jihadist sites, will certainly be targeted by DoJ etc under the guise of concern. 

103 Stereolab rules. 

104 But in this case, they're a sideshow.

Maybe. I'll believe the whole 'fundamental Christian' thing when we hear about the church he went to kicking him out of it. The shiny-bright Facebook pages and some other things about the reporting on this guy make me wait for some real info, not gushy wishcasting gotcha! crap from the New York Times.

105 My wife and I couldn't decide whether we should take a trip to Bermuda or get a divorce. We decided to get divorced. A trip to Bermuda only lasts two weeks, but a divorce is something you have forever

You do know this is a Woody Allen joke, right? It's from his early days as a stand-up comic.

106

"Tot Macht Frei" oder "Frei Macht Tot"
Nordic Labor Party Camp Motto

I noted on the overnight that the Prime Minister's message reeks to high heaven of Neo-Primitivism, the willing sacrifice of their own children in order to advance a perverted agenda.

Witnesses initially reported that the shots were coming from everywhere, not from a lone gunman.

A point worth remembering was posted by De' Debil Hisself at July 23, 2011 08:22 AM:
I smell bullshit.
Someone firing an automatic weapon in open ground at moving targets would need to expend a lot of ammo for every hit.
For example the Ft Hood Shootings. Shooter = Military trained with dozens of hours of practice with his weapon. Victims= Trapped in a building. All shots at nearly point blank range. Hasan fired 200+ rounds and Killed 30 people. There were 13 wounded.
  A hit does not equal a fatal wound. 10-25% would be fatal wounds. That would mean there are 240-600 wounded. He would have needed to expend 3000+ plus rounds if he were the proÂ’s pro of shooting. ThatÂ’s three cases of ammunition. ThatÂ’s hundreds of magazines. Did this guy who hitched a ride on a skiff have that? Well the answer is no.
This is a set-up and done by multiple agents. Homeland Security has been hyping to law enforcement that Al Qaeda is now white right wingers for over three years! Now this happens.

107 Posted by: maverick muse at July 23, 2011 12:48 PM (lpWVn) Don't take this the wrong way, but you got that all, well, wrong. Your math just doesn't work. Norway has mandatory military service, so ABB almost certainly had official training, possibly more than an Army psychologist would. People have varying degrees of natural "talent." Other training is available, and we just don't know what ABB availed himself of. An "automatic" weapon is simply what the press calls anything that looks scary, heck, at least half the references to Gunwalker involve machineguns or automatic weapons, despite the fact that the guns involved are not such weapons. ABB is described as executing the wounded on the ground - doesn't require skill but does increase the death toll. No one fought back, so he could take his time, and medical attention was (relatively) slow in arriving - death rates from gunshot wound are low *if* medical attention is prompt. Rifles and shotguns are enormously more lethal than handguns, even the unusual FN 5.7 that Hassan used at Ft. Hood. Hassan killed 13 people, over 30 were left wounded. Basically the whole situation is horrific, but no, it's not impossible for one person to have done it.

108 Of course, now MPJ is reporting a witness claiming there was a second shooter. Anders was earlier described as alone in the van, but a van has lots of hiding space. We could still have one on the loose. They'll probably be unraveling it all for a while.

109 ...and it's happened. Amy Winehouse dead. Sad, Girl started with an amazing talent that she couldn't help but destroy.

110 RIP to Amy Wine house,27. First time I heard her sing I thought who is that,wow. Sad. I feel terrible for her parents, they tried everything they could to help.

111 --And if it is, does that carry over to other things, such as concealed carry rights?

Absolutely not.  Google CWP and reciprocity.

112 I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

113

Once you are away from her and don't hear her anymore, your stress level will drop.

Good luck.