1 I thought the golden rule was, "He who has the gold, makes the rules."

2 Lead and Steel dont care about the rules, very honey badgerish.

3 Happy Tuesday, M&Ms. Stay cool and wait for the doom, for surely it cometh to all morons.

4 My DoJ SWAT Team's lead rules!

5 I guess nothing happened overnight

6

A big, ol' hound dog howdy to y'all on this fine Tuesday morning.

Has the world ended in Washington? Did the "hobbit terrorists" win the budget battle? Have the fiscal "extremists" secured the country's DOOM! through their outrageous demand that we stop pissing other peoples' money away like drunken sailors in Bangkok? Has anybody marched on the Capitol yet?

Inquiring Morons want to know.

7 Former Gingrich Staffer: 80% Twitter Followers are Fake; Gingrich Loses 20,000 Followers in a Week

http://bit.ly/oqklmA

8 I guess nothing happened overnight

Posted by: Jean at August 02, 2011 07:08 AM (4jJCE)

Functionally nothing's changed - we are a nation of borrowers and debt, except that getting purely symbolic cuts was pulling teeth (fortunately though Boehner got his $17 billion for Pell grants).  The GOP leadership is certainly pimping this as a win, and taking credit for the deal.  Is that smart? We'll see I suppose.

If, nightmare of nightmares, we wind up losing big in 2012, we could be rending our garments wishing we had done more.

9 I find it interesting ( and expected for a change) that the Feds/HHS have apparently managed to get us tax payers to pay for the quasi-abortion of birth control--free to all comers.  I guess we tax payers wouldn't want anyone to get punished with a baby.  How compassionate of us.
I am fascinated at the liberal/progressive logic of not being able to get drugs to treat breast or prostate cancer with no copay (which was most definitely not a personal or life style choice) while birth control pills of all sorts are to be gratis to support the existence of what is most certainly a life style choice where the US taxpayer picks up the tab. 
I am willing to say that I don't really care if you have the sexual appetities of a rabbit, but I do not see why I should be picking up your tab for avoiding the consequences of your life style.
I sure am glad that we are finding out what was in that wonderful Øbama health care legislation that was passed without reading or understanding.

Øbama/Holder 2012 (the only way to get Holder out of DoJ)

10 I am willing to say that I don't really care if you have the sexual appetities of a rabbit, but I do not see why I should be picking up your tab for avoiding the consequences of your life style.
I sure am glad that we are finding out what was in that wonderful Øbama health care legislation that was passed without reading or understanding.

Øbama/Holder 2012 (the only way to get Holder out of DoJ)
Posted by: Hrothgar
........
While I fully agree with you on a moral level.. on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years.

11 @10 RE: Lifestyle choices Did you ever see the _Dragnet_ movie with Hanks and Aykroyd? The bad guys were an organization called P.A.G.A.N. That stood for "People Against Goodness And Normalcy." That is what the democrat party has become.

12 ".. on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years." And, cheapest of all is not paying either. That is coming to a bankrupt country near you RSN (real soon now).

13 Thank you, sir.  May I have another serving of doom, please?

14 ...on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:25 AM (Wm4Mf)

Well if you're going to kill people to save money, why stop at babies?

15 I think the next futile write-in topic should be a request to our "representatives" that they refuse to vote on anything (even naming a bridge after George Washington) without a 72 hour on-line posting of the entire legislative text. 

I can dream, can't I?

http://tinyurl.com/72hourreview

16 Well if you're going to kill people to save money, why stop at babies?

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at August 02, 2011 07:29 AM (j5CHE)

I have a plan for that!

17 This morning's FOX local radio news highlights a 30% increase in Mexican drug cartel gang activity in Central Texas (where Gov. Rick Perry governs, failing repeatedly the past decade to even allow a Senate vote, let alone pass, House Bill legislation requiring photo ID to vote in TX).

Relate that to the lame reasoning from local law enforcement refusing to enforce State immigration law, whether Sheriff Dupnik in Tucson, AZ or Birmingham, AL Chief of Police A.C. Roper, on grounds that such law enforcement would "hamper local law enforcement's ability to police the community effectively" because the law will require law enforcement to "expend scarce resources on immigration matters at the expense of" municipal priorities.

Golden Rule: Better to be raped than to rape.  Earlier today the bishops who lead the Episcopal, United Methodist, and Roman Catholic churches in Alabama filed a civil lawsuit to try and block enforcement of Alabama's new immigration law.

18
18   That is so much more true than your jest.
Yes, he and his friends did have that plan. They've almost abandoned that approach but there are a significant number in the group that still believe in the camps. Most have abandoned it as untenable.  You should hear these people when they think it's safe to talk amongst themselves.

How do you think the planet will look with a population of a billion or less.

19 on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:25 AM (Wm4Mf)

It's not a coincidence that as population has increased, the standard of living has risen, not fallen.

More brains = bigger economy.

20 Posted by: maverick muse at August 02, 2011 07:36 AM (lpWVn)
such law enforcement would "hamper local law enforcement's ability to police the community effectively" because the law will require law enforcement to "expend scarce resources on immigration matters at the expense of" municipal priorities 'like issuing parking tickets, manning speed traps, setting up mandatory DUI checkpoints, and doing seatbelt checks'.

My assessment of his municipal priorities.

21 Golden Rule: America rebuilding Europe and Japan after WWII, feeding and medically nursing poverty stricken regions around the world, now bailing out the global financial corporatists makes the USA the Global Parasite.

22 How do you think the planet will look with a population of a billion or less.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at August 02, 2011 07:37 AM (j5CHE)

The view from my houseboat should be GREAT!

23 Well if you're going to kill people to save money, why stop at babies?
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself
............
There ya go!

So, birth control is "killing people"?  What are you, a Catholic??

24 While I fully agree with you on a moral level.. on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:25 AM (Wm4Mf)

 

You're totally correct, but be careful.  Around here, talk like that will have you labeled "nazi eugenicist" in no time.  Some see it as our duty to make sure as many babies are born as possible - especially to those who can't afford to support them.

25

It's not a coincidence that as population has increased, the standard of living has risen, not fallen.

More brains = bigger economy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
..........
I would argue there is a point of diminishing returns, and we have reached it.

The standard of living has taken a decided turn for the worse in the past few years, and with new jobs mostly being in the near-minimum wage category, I don't see this improving much real soon now.

26 How do you think the planet will look with a population of a billion or less. --Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at August 02, 2011 07:37 AM (j5CHE)

The view from my houseboat should be GREAT! --Posted by: Al Gore Global Warmenista at August 02, 2011 07:42 AM (yrGif)

Decommissioned naval aircraft carriers for sale, privately owned and armed floating cities.

27 You're totally correct, but be careful.  Around here, talk like that will have you labeled "nazi eugenicist" in no time.  Some see it as our duty to make sure as many babies are born as possible - especially to those who can't afford to support them.

If dirt farmers a hundred years ago could support more than two children, there's no reason people can't do that now.

Western civilization already has a sub-replacement birthrate, largely because our views on sexuality have become so 'advanced' we suck at reproducing.  We don't need any incentives to convince people to stop breeding.

28 Earlier today the bishops who lead the Episcopal, United Methodist, and Roman Catholic churches in Alabama filed a civil lawsuit to try and block enforcement of Alabama's new immigration law.

Posted by: maverick muse at August 02, 2011 07:36 AM (lpWVn)

 

Blatantly un-christian.  Goes to show that those "churches" involved are little more than feel-good social clubs that like to talk about religiosity once in a while.  Whatever happened to obeying the law, rather than trying to carry out a crass circumvention?  What happened to private Christian charity, rather than the all-providing State?

Sickening.

29 Well if you're going to kill people to save money, why stop at babies?
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself
............
There ya go! So, birth control is "killing people"?  What are you, a Catholic?? --Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:45 AM (Wm4Mf)

There ya go, totally missing the point while wasting oxygen waiting in that extermination line.

30 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 02, 2011 07:20 AM (OWjjx)

Do they even make music videos any more?

31 I would argue there is a point of diminishing returns, and we have reached it.

People made that argument in the 1800s as well.  And the 1900s...

There are no diminishing returns.  The more people you have, the better off your society ultimately becomes.  That is, provided you don't engage in foolish social engineering.

32 While I fully agree with you on a moral level.. on a practical level it is probably a bargain paying for women to not get pregnant than paying for the offspring for years.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:25 AM (Wm4Mf)

I am right there with you.. 

Solidarity now!

33 Yes, apparently so... much too clever for me, I guess.

34 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 07:39 AM (FkKjr)

correlation does not equal causation.

Standard of living would have increased faster without as much population growth.

35 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 07:25 AM (Wm4Mf)
Posted by: Margaret Sanger at August 02, 2011 07:54 AM (rus4r)


Cheap and easy effort at a sock..

No hard feelings? 

36 There are no diminishing returns.  The more people you have, the better off your society ultimately becomes.  That is, provided you don't engage in foolish social engineering.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 07:54 AM (FkKjr)

Well, I think you have found the catch-22 in your thesis.  Civilization has always played at social engineering and it is always foolish.  If there was a universal expectation of personal responsibility for all, not just a few, then I would agree that there is virtually no downside to a large population.

37 Standard of living would have increased faster without as much population growth.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 07:56 AM (LH6ir)

Total conjecture, whereas historically we know that larger concentrations of people generally tend to become more advanced than smaller ones.

38

Standard of living would have increased faster without as much population growth.

Maybe so, maybe not- that's a tough one to prove though, innit?

39 Finally able to listen to the Piss Mathews clip this morning..
Where he was talking about Gabby Giffords being back in Congress..

The man is so frakking stupid that you could beam him in the head repeatedly with a 2 x 4 with no  brain damage..

And he kept saying 'Event' like, "evENT"  

40 Posted by: Dave C at August 02, 2011 07:56 AM (rus4r)

First rule of Ace of Spades: Never apologize for a sock (especially a good one).

41 May I remind the room of the movie "Idiocricy" 
WHO is reproducing is the difference between today and the 1800's and 1900's.

42 Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 02, 2011 08:01 AM (tk5O7)

Of course. It was a provocative comment -- but one that is as correct as the converse.

43

Forcast to go up to 106 or 107 today and tomorrow. Did that here yesterday while partly cloudy and it's always a little hotter here than at the weather station.

And I have to shop for a new car radio. Or, excuse me, in dash system that could work with an iPod, GPS, Bluetooth and DVD player. Then there's sat radio, HD radio, internet radio and I'm pretty sure I saw a coffee maker in one of them.

44 Also, back in the day, If you were to breed more than you could feed, the government didn't feed them for you.

45 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 08:01 AM (FkKjr)

Yes -- conjecture. Just like your comment. Once again, correlation and causation are very different things. And success of a society has so many variables that suggesting that simple population growth causes it is simplistic.

46

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 08:01 AM (LH6ir)

I know..  But it was Margaret Sanger..   A progressive's answer to Hitler..

Thought I should say something before it  stained and corrupted my soul by using her name.. 

47 Mama AJ
look at Crutchfield .com

48 Naah.. Good ole Margaret Sanger..  It's hard to mention birth control or family planning without someone reacting with "eugenics!" or "population control!"

49 Posted by: Dave C at August 02, 2011 08:05 AM (rus4r)

She was a fine woman -- and much misunderstood.

50 Well, I think you have found the catch-22 in your thesis.  Civilization has always played at social engineering and it is always foolish.

Show me one - one - civilization which fell apart because its population got too large.  In fact, a great many civilizations have been simply bred out of existence.

51

I am looking at Crutchfield! I'm now reading the articles after my eyes started crossing while looking at the list of options.

52   What happened to private Christian charity, rather than the all-providing State? Sickening.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 02, 2011 07:51 AM (xUM1Q)

Sold out to the GWBush ordination that officially commits church to the promotion of the authoritarian State.

Matthew 7:22-23
Luke 6:46

/Historically, having demonized Martin Luther while sainting Martin Luther King, Jr., we've ironically completed a circle finding ourselves back where Liberty to think, let alone to be, does not exist.

53 Standard of Living Vs. Population Growth.

It's not always tied together..  SoL and PG need to be fostered in a climate of freedom and liberty so then it would flourish.. 

If just population growth was the key, shouldn't India and China be all flying their own personal jet-car living in floating homes by now?   

54 Show me one - one - civilization which fell apart because its population got too large.  In fact, a great many civilizations have been simply bred out of existence.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
......
They used to have these things called wars to take care of over-population.

55 Naah.. Good ole Margaret Sanger..  It's hard to mention birth control or family planning without someone reacting with "eugenics!" or "population control!"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 08:05 AM (Wm4Mf)

If anything, this demonstrates that the state should NOT be in the business of distributing or providing birth control or abortion.

56 Yes -- conjecture. Just like your comment. Once again, correlation and causation are very different things. And success of a society has so many variables that suggesting that simple population growth causes it is simplistic.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 08:04 AM (LH6ir)

Okay, provide an example of a low-population society which developed major technological advancements over everybody else.

The way invention and technology works isn't that one genius yells "Eureka!" and comes up with something out of whole cloth.  Small improvements lead to major breakthroughs.

Large populations give you more people to look at things and improve on them in different ways.

57 They used to have these things called wars to take care of over-population.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 08:12 AM (Wm4Mf)

War is an extremely ineffective way to kill people, especially the farther back in time you go.

58 Didn't Hillary Clinton once quip what a great woman Margaret Sanger was?

59 They used to have these things called wars to take care of over-population.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 02, 2011 08:12 AM (Wm4Mf)

Past tense? Map the Middle East 2011. Where's Waldo? CIA and the US Military now officially joined at the hip, telling Americans we'll be in Afghanistan for at least 30 years more if not longer, beyond our generation. "They" used to have 30 year wars and 100 year wars in Europe. Overpopulation, which end of the egg to break? Déjà vieux

60

TheyÂ’d better do the right thing here or this will place the U.S. way down the slippery slope toward full marginalization of Israel, imo.

61 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 08:14 AM (FkKjr)

The USA.

Great Britain in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.

All relatively low population countries in which the catalyst was not the great number of people but rather the small number of intelligent, dedicated and motivated people.

If you are correct, then China, India, Pakistan and Indonesia should be first world countries.

62 I find it interesting ( and expected for a change) that the Feds/HHS have apparently managed to get us tax payers to pay for the quasi-abortion of birth control--free to all comers. 

Offering it and having people use it are two different things.   When its time for said user of BC to have another kid, she'll still pick up the BC... It's her right.. but it will be tossed aside like her responsibilities for her children..


I am fascinated at the liberal/progressive logic of not being able to get drugs to treat breast or prostate cancer with no copay (which was most definitely not a personal or life style choice) while birth control pills of all sorts are to be gratis to support the existence of what is most certainly a life style choice where the US taxpayer picks up the tab.

Rush has said this multiple times but the Left is the culture of Death..  Abortion on demand, death with dignity (Abortion on demand, late term abortions, even post birth 'abortions', Going Dr. Jack on old folks and people with  terminal conditions..  Except for AIDS because of the gay lobby and people on death row in prison... product of their environment or something).  And after seeing the policies that they fight  tooth and nail for, you would have to be a fool not to believe it. 

Find some issue that involves preventing life before it begins or where it hustles it along to the end, and you'll find a leftist in support of it. 

63 There are no diminishing returns. The more people you have, the better off your society ultimately becomes. That is, provided you don't engage in foolish social engineering.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 07:54 AM (FkKjr)

 

LOL.  Then let's expand until there's standing room only.  Once we have enough people on Earth that none of us can sit down, we will achieve nirvana!  And, why on earth are China and India to f-ing primitive and backward compared to us, if population is the determiner of success?  It's absurd.  CULTURE matters.  Once you have enough to sustain  yourself and fend off enemies, population is secondary or even tertiary in importance.  We have super weapons now.  We don't need numbers.

Anyway, the problem isn't so much "too many" as it is that those who produce the least, contribute the least, are reproducing the most.  Those habits of dependency are transmitted to the following generations, and it is hard for them to escape the mentality.  One day we'll be overwhelmed. 

Right now I have to pay for multitudes of bastards I had no part in conceiving.  From cradle to grave, they are a burden to me.  I have no idea why I should consider that a good deal. 

 

64 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 08:16 AM (FkKjr)

Yes, but it is a lovely excuse to cull the more irritating groups.

65

Christian extremismÂ’s propaganda war.  They are just out of control!  The humanity!  Can they be stopped?  Is this the end?  Do bears shiÂ…

Oh, sorry.  Got carried away for a moment.

66 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 02, 2011 08:25 AM (jx2j9)

Par for the course for our lovely, anti-Semitic state department. They have always been Arabists and anti-Israel. But now they have kindred spirits in the White House.

67
The USA.

Great Britain in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.

All relatively low population countries in which the catalyst was not the great number of people but rather the small number of intelligent, dedicated and motivated people.

With the US, (and GB to some extent) you had the government standing aside and letting people be their best. 

68 Well, I think you have found the catch-22 in your thesis.  Civilization has always played at social engineering and it is always foolish.

Show me one - one - civilization which fell apart because its population got too large.  In fact, a great many civilizations have been simply bred out of existence.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 08:08 AM (FkKjr)

Think you missed the point, which was that personal responsibility (a culture related aspect) is a key to the success of populations (large and small).

69

War is an extremely ineffective way to kill people, especially the farther back in time you go.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 08:16 AM (FkKjr)

In Britain following the fall of the Roman Empire (holy or not), the result of losing in war was one's extermination if male, and enslavement if female. According to the 2006 BBC bipartite series by David Starkey, Monarchy, the victors in Medieval war killed the remaining male population of Britain as it became England, conquered by the Germanic Anglo and Saxon tribes, then by the Germanic Danes, and later the Germanic Christian Franks.

70 We're really rehashing the 'overpopulation' nonsense? Sheesh.

71

Those pesky corporate jet owners!  TheyÂ’re everywhere!

72 We're really rehashing the 'overpopulation' nonsense? Sheesh.

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2011 08:42 AM (MMC8r)

Officer, that's NOT how the brawl started!

73 We're really rehashing the 'overpopulation' nonsense? Sheesh.

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2011 08:42 AM (MMC8r)

 

I'm not sure it's that, so much as some of us are just sick of paying for other people's babies.  Babies should be paid for by PARENTS.

74

I'm not sure it's that, so much as some of us are just sick of paying for other people's babies.  Babies should be paid for by PARENTS.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 02, 2011 08:45 AM (xUM1Q)

Yes, and I like your use of the plural!

75

In Britain following the fall of the Roman Empire (holy or not), the result of losing in war was one's extermination if male, and enslavement if female.

Posted by: maverick muse at August 02, 2011 08:39 AM (lpWVn)

 

Say what you will about the policy's morality - at least then you tend not to have to suffer 'payback' later on.  Rubble don't make trouble.

76 A Dem Job Creation Fallout:
http://tinyurl.com/MoreGovernmentPlease

77

Say what you will about the policy's morality - at least then you tend not to have to suffer 'payback' later on.  Rubble don't make trouble.

Posted by: Reactionary at August 02, 2011 08:49 AM (xUM1Q)

Guess who ran the court system!

78 Thanks for sharing, please keep an update about this info. love to read it more. i like this site too much.

79 "Say what you will about the policy's morality - at least then you tend not to have to suffer 'payback' later on. Rubble don't make trouble." While you are 100% correct, there is no reason to take things that far. Where the modern West is screwing the pooch repeatedly is in its misguided effort to implement Marshall Plans long before the enemy is defeated in the field. Talk about cargo cultism!

80

Right now I have to pay for multitudes of bastards I had no part in conceiving.  From cradle to grave, they are a burden to me.  I have no idea why I should consider that a good deal. 

Posted by: Reactionary at August 02, 2011 08:30 AM (xUM1Q)

You shouldn't.  The opposite method of paying people not to procreate is just as disastrous however.  China is going to be massively fucked because of their efforts.

Before there was global warming, there was overpopulation.  It is the original pseudo-scientific scare tactic.  People have been predicting the earth would get too full since the 19th century.

81

In Britain following the fall of the Roman Empire (holy or not), the result of losing in war was one's extermination if male, and enslavement if female.

Posted by: maverick muse at August 02, 2011 08:39 AM (lpWVn)

And yet population growth far outstripped the numbers killed.

82

And yet population growth far outstripped the numbers killed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 09:05 AM (FkKjr)

No Internet Pr0n!

83 The USA.

Great Britain in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.

The USA and Great Britain were both populous nations, and as members of Western civilization (Europe) were benefiting from extensive technological exchange with the mainland.  Just the USA and Great Britain wouldn't have produced as much as them in concert with Europe did.

If you are correct, then China, India, Pakistan and Indonesia should be first world countries.

Well, Pakistan and Indonesia are Muslim.  China and India are socialist.

Still, both those places are better off than if they had half their populations.

84 China is going to be massively fucked because of their efforts.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 09:03 AM (FkKjr)

 

I respectfully submit that the real problem is the sex selection aspect of that policy.  Creating that kind of gross imbalance is a culture destroyer.  (note - the abortions are also abhorent to me - but I'm thinking primarily about the practical effects of the policy)

Yes - there will be a glut of old people at some point, but if they're like the Japanese that will not be such a horrible burden.  Most older folks, especially men who keep active, can still do a tremendous amount.  And as farming and industry become more heavily automated, few hands are needed to provide for everyone.  Heck - that's part of our economic problem now.  Not enough ways for eveyone at the lower skill level to participate in the economy.  They're too replaceable. 

85 Now tea party members are said to need a software upgrade. Our software is 50 years old. I guess that software changes.

86 Actually, you will find that the wars in Europe of the 14-18th century were quite good at keeping the population under control. Mostly due to the superiority of the longbow to the crossbow. David

87 I heard that Obama is preparing for another Stimulus. Who thinks there will be another Stimulus?

88 Who thinks there will be another Stimulus?

Posted by: richrepublican at August 02, 2011 09:35 AM (t4YF+)

Did they spend all the last one?

89 Does anything the progressives do really surprise you anymore?

90 Obama is raising more money than any other president in history for his re election campaign. How does Obama do it?

91 Well. Look at all the illegal immigrants and bottom of the pile native born people getting government assistance and you see your obama voters.

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93 Does anything the progressives do really surprise you anymore