1 Did anybody see this?

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/42309

2 I'd hate to think I felt this crappy on a Monday.

3 Motivated and dedicated eh Gabe?

4 Sneaked in on me early!

Yet another smoking gun on corruption in the WH

When will it be enough for impeachment or jail time for some of these Chicago mobsters? – NEVER. He is impervious to impeachanite.

5

Obama's bullshit "jobs" bill included a tax on employee healthcare - again

He keeps pushing this shit even though his own Party shot it down last time.

6

Even more evidence that Romney is a flip-flopping CF of a used car selling shit-weasel.

How can anyone support this guy and still call themselves a conservative?

7

We are sending billions to Europe still. Billions that we do not have.

8

The most miserable cities in the U.S. per Business Insider

It appears that they weighted the drop in home prices the most, so perhaps they should just go ahead and say the biggest home price drop cities. You will see that the bulk of the cities are in the two States with the largest housing bubble bust, CA and FL.

Also a link to the most miserable countries.

9

And that is it for the news, not much out there this morning. There is one thing though today.

The high here today is supposed to be only 65°. It was 75° at midnight so I suspect that will be the high for today. That is unheard of for mid September. The lowest “high” I have on record previously was 72° in 2008.

So much for Al Gore and his AGW fraud.

10 good to see you morning updates Vic!

11

"This time, they’re not just out to personally attack the President — they’re also out to mislead Americans about the record of accomplishments that he’s compiled. Just the other day, a Republican financier actually quoted Saddam Hussein in telling a group of millionaire donors that defeating President Obama will be “the mother of all wars.”

Wouldn't that be a little hard to do?

http://tinyurl.com/5s5grxq

12 So glad you're back Vic.
I had a Hemi-Colectomy and small intestine resection after a Surgeon perforated my bowel during a colonoscopy and didn't say anything about it. I developed MRSA internally. 5 Months In Hospital. Five operations. NDE when they screwed up my anesthesia.

13 I had a Hemi-Colectomy and small intestine resection after a Surgeon perforated my bowel during a colonoscopy and didn't say anything about it.

WOW.

14 F&F showing ugly Carvill blasting Obama over and over. Have they turned over a new leaf or is it just a case of more liberals turning against Obama?

15 F&F also reporting another push by Moochell to regulate restaurant portion sizes.

Is there nothing they can not regulate?

16 Of course Gretchen is all for that.

17 Posted by: macintx at September 16, 2011 07:05 AM (ucs8Y)

Good to be back.

18

What will the conservatives do if Obama is re-elected?

19

We have been wondering when these union thug groups would be hit with a RICO suit

Well,. SEIU hit with one and they fold like a cheap suit after looking at a sure loss.

20 What will the conservatives do if Obama is re-elected?

In this universe nothing. Obama is different in that alternate universe you mention.

21 Notice that the most most miserable cities tend to be run by conservatives. I think Romney is moving in the right direction.

22 I will soon be adding more solar panels to my house.

23

Just saw an article on Foxnews.com about "attackwatch" and how it has become a "conservativte punching bag". One tweeter said "hey, attack watch. I just saw 6 ATM's killing a job in an alley. It looked like a hate crime!" Outside of these comments, that's the funniest thing I'll read all day. BTW, welcome back Vic. Always good to see you here. Semper Fi.

 

24

How can anyone support this guy and still call themselves a conservative?

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 06:53 AM (M9Ie6)

Mitt Romney is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE!!!11

25

Today is National POW/MIA day.

http://tinyurl.com/3zxr89q

26

Brian Fitzpatrick at SCOTUS Blog predicts the demise of class action suits

Fox News ad department hardest hit. LOL, the end of these stupid make money suits for lawyers could not come fast enough for me.

27 I smell a sockbot in the posts above.

28 21 PC7, Hey I'm glad you guys are back to work in Axelrod's basement. Tell me, is it your contention that Las Vegas and Mexifornia's little bundles of joy are ran by "conservatives? I see that Adolph Soetoro and Michelle Antoinette have been handing out the peyote licorice in das Fuhrer bunker again.

29

Morning Vic

it's good to see you back. welcome home

thanks for the 'predoom' this am.   my morning jump start.

30 Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 07:26 AM (AEIYh)

I'm pretty sure it's a sock.

31 What the hell happened there?!?!?

32

Looks like it could come down to Mitt vs Obama. Where will the US be in the future?

 

 

33 I am reporting all you doomsters to Attack Watch. Enjoy the reeducation. Camps wingerz!

34 32 You dragged your mouse to the left and picked up the whole page when you copied

35 31 BL, Socks are a masochistic cry for a kick in the head....to keep us sharp and all.

36 What the hell happened there?!?!?

Block copy error?

37 Sean double commenting. It's an AOSHQ feature.

38

I am reporting all you doomsters to Attack Watch. Enjoy the reeducation. Camps wingerz!

Can I reserve a cabin with a lake view?

Oh, and bring breakfast at 7 please.

39

handing out the peyote licorice in das Fuhrer bunker again.

coffee, meet table, and floor,and omg, wall.

 

40 If a troll trolls in the HQ and nobody answers it, did it troll at all?

41

Sean double commenting. It's an AOSHQ feature.

I denounce myself.

42 Jimmy Carter giving Mittens the Good Habitat Seal of Approval is like Michael giving Fredo the tongue. ALSO... I nominate Vic to be moderator of this post. He seems more than up for the task.

43

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 07:32 AM (sbV1u)

That's racist

44 I have seen several posts saying Carter has endorsed Romney but no links?????

45

That's racist

Yes, I know.  But you forget that thanks to Obama the word "racist" now means, "anyone who expects all people to be treated the same way."

46 45 I have seen several posts saying Carter has endorsed Romney but no links????? Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 07:36 AM (M9Ie6) Go over to Tepid Air.

47 Jimmy Carter giving Mittens the Good Habitat Seal of Approval is like Michael giving Fredo the tongue.

No no, see Carter doesn't really like Mittens Aurelius, he's just endorsing him because Democrats know he needs to be taken out.  Cause Mitt is like a huge threat.   Nobody wants to campaign against a guy who put a dog on the roof of his car.

Carter is widely acknowledged as a regular spider king of intricate machinations.  Just look at his term as president.  The man is Tzeentch incarnate.

48 Obama might be the next FDR? Scholars/Experts are comparing Obama to Lincoln.

49

Obama might be the next FDR? Scholars/Experts mental defectives are comparing Obama to Lincoln.

FIFY

50 The man is Tzeentch incarnate. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2011 07:37 AM (FkKjr) What is a "tzeenc?" By the way, Dr. Oz gets pimp-slapped by the FDA. Any word from Orca Winfrey?

51 I have seen several posts saying Carter has endorsed Romney but no links?????

Sidebar

52

45

link to hot air, sidebar.

53

OK, this solidifies the Bachmann decision.

She's doubling down on teh stupid.   Not backing off that "retardation" statement at all, she just keeps deflecting.

At this point I have to ask, are all evangelicals idiots?  Because so far this seems to be a common theme.

54 Go over to Tepid Air.

OK, looks like he has endorsed all of them. Just more acts of a senile old fool.

55

Fox News ad department hardest hit. LOL, the end of these stupid make money suits for lawyers could not come fast enough for me.

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 07:25 AM (M9Ie6)

 

Amen.  It would be a glorious day.

Given that we can not seem to attach profit to fair/just outcomes only, I've felt that of all professions the legal profession is the one most worthy of government regulation.  I think that's one area where the free market isn't the best solution.  Ideally, lawyering would be only a moderately well compensated field, with little incentive to look for ways to exploit the system.  The only way to discourage abuse is to kill the profit motive.  It would take a pretty substantial overhaul and there is no perfect solution that can't be gamed, but surely there must be some way to rein in the madness we have now.

  

56 Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 07:43 AM (M9Ie6) You are right. Has no idea how much the rational world "values" his opinion. He also likes Huntsman, whose positive approval rating is now a negative number. Is that statistically possible?!

57

but surely there must be some way to rein in the madness we have now.

Yup, there is.  Loser pays.

 

58

Romney and Obama both have Harvard Law Degrees.

 

Sean..are you calling the most educated and richest americans mental defectives? LMAO

59 I think that's one area where the free market isn't the best solution.

The problem is that it isn't a "free market". Democrats in State and Federal legislators have made suing big buisness ludicrously easy, especially with the phony "partial liability" rules where a judgment that deep pockets have a 1% liability and some doofus has 99% of the fault guess who pays.

As always, a real free market would fix the problem. In addition real reform of the jury selection process and rules of evidence would go a long way as well.

60 Carter is widely acknowledged as a regular spider king of intricate machinations. Just look at his term as president. The man is Tzeentch incarnate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2011 07:37 AM (FkKjr)

 

LOL!  I did NOT expect to see a Tzeentch reference this morning.    Seems fitting - if the powers of Chaos were indeed at work in the world the American Liberal would be among their chosen zealots.

 

61

Romney and Obama both have Harvard Law Degrees.

 Sean..are you calling the most educated and richest americans mental defectives? LMAO

No only one of them.  The one who has actually gone on to get a real job has redeemed himself. 

The one who has never worked a job that doesn't a require a degree in victimology has not.

This is hard for you to understand?

I really think the statistics speak for themselves.  Just go check the unemployment rate.  Come back and see me if you have any further questions.

62 I know the what if Bush did it game has lost its zing, but imagine if you will Olbermann reacting to a Bush launched Attack Watch. Go ahead. I'll wait.

63 I saw on" I own the world" blog where somebody was trying to set up Obama as comparable to Lincoln.  A commenter said,"Yes, that is true.  After all, they both have beards."

64 What is a "tzeentch?!" Please advise.

65 Tzeentch, Really? Do you thing we could go through one morning without me having to Bing something?

66

A commenter said,"Yes, that is true.  After all, they both have beards."

No, I really did just spew my coffee all over the desk.  Damn you!

67 Tzeentch is a God of Chaos who represents the vitality and volatility of change. Tzeentch is closely associated with sorcery and magic. Thanks Bing.

68 I thought that tzeench is Russian for cinch, or something.

69 Get a government job. I am going back to countmy my money from my Government pension. I love USA.

70 LOL!  I did NOT expect to see a Tzeentch reference this morning.    Seems fitting - if the powers of Chaos were indeed at work in the world the American Liberal would be among their chosen zealots.

Well Nurgle is obese, so I doubt Michelle would get along with him very well.  He's also pretty jovial, and the left isn't really a big fan of that either.

71

As always, a real free market would fix the problem. In addition real reform of the jury selection process and rules of evidence would go a long way as well.

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 07:48 AM (M9Ie6)

 

I think the latter recommendation - reforming jury selection and rules of evidence is vital, particularly for criminal cases.  I'm not sure, though, that the problems in your first paragraph are really related to a "free market" for legal services.  They are more related to bad liability rules that open the way to exploitation for profit, which is a decision made by the agents of the state.  It is only natural that where such unjust law exists that the unscrupulous will swoop in to take advantage.  Only through measures to kill that ill-gotten profit, which is gained by doing that which is unjust, can we get better outcomes. 

The system now rewards those who are unjust.  If deep-pocket corporations can't even afford good enough legal counsel to save themselves, the rest of us have no hope at all.

72

Sean..are you calling the most educated and richest americans mental defectives? LMAO

Posted by: ProgressiveCapitalist7 at September 16, 2011 07:47 AM (t4YF+)

--sniff, sniff--

73 I thought that tzeench is Russian for cinch, or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 16, 2011 07:53 AM (UlUS4)

Tzeentch is the chaos god of Hope, Change, and magic in Warhammer.  Knowing this makes you an uber-dork.

So...sorry about that.

74 Even more evidence that Romney is a flip-flopping CF of a used car selling shit-weasel. Really, thanks Mitt. So what is he then? If she who cannot be named decides to give the presidentin thing a try, Expect the word Marxist to be used.

75

Well Nurgle is obese, so I doubt Michelle would get along with him very well. He's also pretty jovial, and the left isn't really a big fan of that either.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2011 07:55 AM (FkKjr)

 

Two words.  Michael Moore.

Granted, he's not very jovial, but he is a diseased and maggot-infested bag of festering puss.  So it fits.

 

76 40 pitchforksandpowder,

Sorry, it's early and all.  They really are going to double down on Bambi to that point.  When the EV projections show him having trouble breaking triple digits he's gonna cover himself in peanut butter and move game pieces from Chutes and Ladders and candyland around on a roadmap of the US muttering about "words just words I am the one I've been waiting for..."  Gonna be interesting to see the spin on why his handlers won't let anyone seee him.

77 sven, Looks like peanut butter, But it's not.

78

Gonna be interesting to see the spin on why his handlers won't let anyone seee him.

Did the NYT ever come out with the "Obama is depressed" story yet?

It would not be all that hard to believe.  When you're the living embodiment of the Peter Principle, depression tends to come quickly.

79 54 Sean Bannion,

What other move does she have? It is pretty well known I have a healthy disdain for her, but you're seeing her "accept" that she is not the nominee and she is sticking around just to act as a damper and comic relief.  At least she is capable of grasping she is a mobile punchline unlike Dr. Goldspeculum.

Evangelicals are all Bachmann backing idiots like all RiNO squish spelunkers are Romney fans which is to say "not really".  She attracts the GOP version of  the "Original Bambi backers" who are sorta too dumb to really understand what he is talking about underneath all the cotton candy but boy he/she sure does look good saying it.  Every movement has those types in varying percentages from "low" ala Fred Thompson/Alan Keyes fans to "eleventy%" when you looks at RonPAUL111!!!/Huntsman fans.

The trick is in identifying the mix.

80

“And I just have to remind people that, here’s one thing I know for certain: the odds of me being reelected are much higher than the odds of me being elected in the first place.”

“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”

81 78 OSP,

que?

Oh the troll being a sock in all likelihood?

Yeah well I have been wanting to introduce our resident trolls to the "Sven Hammer of love" for the last 4 days and they won't come play I'll have to play with a sock provided blow up doll.

Anyone want to guess over under on how long 'til cogent talking points get released?

Let's set the number at "3" I'll go with "over"....

82 81 Ogabe on Operation Let's Fool 'em Again,

Yeah...George W. Obama's great difficulty is a media that is adversarial to him getting out his message....

83

What other move does she have? It is pretty well known I have a healthy disdain for her, but you're seeing her "accept" that she is not the nominee and she is sticking around just to act as a damper and comic relief.

For starters, she can walk it back with the, "I phrased it inartfully."  We all know that's bullshit, but it would at least show she realizes that she's stepped in it.

As for the rest of your comment, I'm right with you.  But my comment about evangelicals is based not just on her and Huck, however.  It's based on having entirely too many conversations with evangelicals who want to talk about my "personal realtionship with Jesus."  As if it's any business of theirs.

I think the common characteristic there is these folks (evangelicals) frequently lack any sense of personal boundaries.  Carry that on long enough you tend to lose all perspective when it comes to talking to anyone who doesn't see the world that way you do.

And Alan Keyes supporters are just as insane as Ron Paul!!!!!! supporters.

84

“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the cemeteries message out to vote.”

FIFY

85 82, You said the one may cover himself in Peanut butter and chutes and ladder pieces, I suggested that it will actually be his own shit. Once he figures out that he is a joke and this whole affirmative action experiment has failed, his ego will send him into a self destruct mode that will not end well.

86

I'd hate to think I felt this crappy on a Monday.

Posted by: harleycowboy at September 16, 2011 06:46 AM (BGVHF)

Thanks alot.  This is MY Monday.  FML

87 Perry passed "loser pays" in Texas.. THAT is what puts a damper on frivolous lawsuits!

As far as cities run by "conservatives"?  I don't live in the city of CHicago any longer (way out in the burbs) but Rahm has sure come in kicking ass! 

He promised during the campaign to put more cops on the street.  Well, he put 800 more cops on the street without hiring one new one. Some had already been on the street in "special units", but a lot were in station houses.  He disbanded the special units and put them all out on patrol.  They reported a 20% drop in crime, but who can believe a government's own numbers?

88 84 Sean Bannion,

Eh maybe, I know evangelicals who understand the tackiness of mixing political and religious zeal.  I know Free Market enthusiasts who are so fervant they may as well be fire and brimstone(hint me).  A lot of it is in manners.

The Keyes supporters who were genuine never seemd like Rabid Paulnuts, but a lot of the idiot wing of the GOP glom on to whomever they think has no chance.

The "lemming caucus".

89

Once he figures out that he is a joke and this whole affirmative action experiment has failed, his ego will send him into a self destruct mode that will not end well.

Don't worry, Valerie will hide the worst if it from us.

Time to start subtitling Hitler bunker videos

90 Seriously, there are practically no evangelicals, up in Massachussetts, and they put
Patrick, Obama 1.0 back in office, yes Cahill split off part of the vote, but if that isn't the definition of insanity, I don't know what is.

91 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

92

I know Free Market enthusiasts who are so fervant they may as well be fire and brimstone(hint me).  A lot of it is in manners.

Aye. But I like your fire and brimstone!

Spot on about manners though.  I see less and less of it every year.

Oh God, when did I become my grandfather?

93 86 OSP,

yeah that's the other possibility.

We'll finally get to know if he is Malignant Narcissist, OCD, BPD, or a satyr.....

should be fun

94 94, Don't complain, apparently Gramps was pretty bright.

95 Oh oh Peggy Noonan gushing douche out her nozzle on MSNBC again! I get the feeling she may have spent the Reagan years saying all sorts of nasty things about him behind Reagan's back, at cocktail parties.

96 95, We all joke, but I really think he is unstable. POTUS should not be unstable.

97

Seriously, there are practically no evangelicals, up in Massachussetts, and they put Patrick, Obama 1.0 back in office

Well, speaking as a native Bostonian, that everything to do with what's in the water there.

My programming wore off when I left the Commonwealth.

98

General William Shelton, head of the Air Force Space Command, told House members in a classified briefing earlier this month that he was pressured to change prepared congressional testimony in a way that would favor a large company funded by Philip Falcone, a major Democratic donor, congressional sources told Fox News.

This is the kind of thing MFM accused GWB of every day.  Here it is boys - classic corruption deserving of impeachment, indictment, jail time.  Oh - you're too busy to notice?  mmkay.

99 I haven't seen any evidence that the hardcore "evangelicals" are coming out in support of any one candidate this cycle.

If they did I suspect that Perry, Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum would all appeal to them. The only ones who don't would have to be Romney and Huntsman. So far Huntsman and Santorum don't appear to be appealing to anybody.

100 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure If it stutters, we can kill it.

101 94 Probably about the same time I became some crotchety old bitch. I was already a bitch but now I'm scandalized by 1. Music, 2. Skanky girls, 3. Public behavior. I was always horrified by  libs so that's not new.

102 Oh oh... MSNBC has identified yet ANOTHER area we need to spend More Money on!

103 http://preview.tinyurl.com/3v6bcgc

above link is Fox news trying the "everyone does it" defense of Ogabe's Solyndra habit....

The funny thing is of course, that they are trying to say putting money in in '07 and having the biz implode last month is just the same as putting money in a piggy bank and breaking it out in under 2 years....

Fox may not be MSDNC but they are most ASSUREDLY not "right-wing" in their reporting

104 103 Dagny,

Yeah....

I dunno somehow I just lost the bubblegum nihilism necessary to identify with pop culture back in the '90s in my 20s..

105

General William Shelton, head of the Air Force Space Command, told House members in a classified briefing earlier this month that he was pressured to change prepared congressional testimony in a way that would favor a large company funded by Philip Falcone, a major Democratic donor, congressional sources told Fox News.

There is less to this story that it sounds.  However, I still would not have done it.

Written Congressional testimony is routinely sent to every agency with any potential interest in what the person testifying is going to say before Congress.  That's done to make sure there are no glaring factual errors and that - if the person testifying is an adminstration official - that the testimony is consistent with Administration policy.  Most of the people testifying welcome this internal vetting.  The one one in recent memory I can remember who didn't was Richard Holbrooke.  Huge surprise there.  /sarc off

The act of doing this is routine, and not nefarious.

But the boys in the Pentagon get a lot of leeway in their tesimony when it comes to matters purely military.  That is the reason that I, if I were an OMB staffer, would not have made any "suggestions" to alter his written testimony.

106 97 CoolCzech,

P*ggy wants back in the tent....

I think she had Multiple Personality Disorder and when she sees little red lights like on those cameras it unleashes her alter ego "Nadja Ninotchka-bomb throwing commie symp".....

must be hell on her love life.

107

Probably about the same time I became some crotchety old bitch.

I don't think you're crotchety.  I think you're spot on.

But then again I like Kenny G

108 But then again I like Kenny G Well, nobody is perfect. With the exception of a flock of seagulls phase, I've always been a reneck.

109

But then again I like Kenny G

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 08:35 AM (sbV1u)

Someone is gonna ask for your man card.

Mornin' morons!

110 Morning Tami!!!

111 @103: I hear you, Dagny. What irks me is the never ending erosion of public standards of just common propriety. Just look at a society where soon more kids will be illegitimate than not! In our office, one woman was actually joyfully announcing her unmarried daughter was pregnant! PROUD of it, For Oete's Sake! I mean, What are you supposed to even say? "Congratulations she got knocked up! Is Daddy going to Marry Mommy, or was it just a Ten Minute Pole Dance?" On the other hand, cute skanky girls in see-through dresses and g-strings are Hawt...

112

Well, nobody is perfect. With the exception of a flock of seagulls phase, I've always been a reneck.

I was a Geographical Redneck.  I was only a redneck when I was living in Georgia, Texas and Kansas. 

But for the record, I've never been a metrosexual.

 

113 On the other hand, cute skanky girls in see-through dresses and g-strings are Hawt... You don't have daughters do you CC?

114 Sean liking Kenny G is okay in my book....

speaking of preference cascades I personally pull for Yablo

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3veg4ov

Youtube of the Master at work

115 Good morning, morons!

I love (well, not love love) the Ron Paul Constitution Day money bomb ad that pops up on the kermit video on the sidebar. 

116

I dunno somehow I just lost the bubblegum nihilism necessary to identify with pop culture back in the '90s in my 20s..

Yeah, me too. I was always one of the cool kids but more because I punished the too earnest with biting sarcasm than because I was overly hip. I stopped watching TV in the late 90s when competing for it became too difficult around here and I was disgusted with the constant libtard message. Quit absorbing their constant cultural memes and the koolaid doesn't reach minimum dosage levels.

I don't have daughters but I do wonder how a society that was supposed to have made women more "equal" in the last 50 years now has them dressing like pole dancers with 1/4 in inseams at age 15--and this is normal and expected? I contend that women have been sadly duped into not only dressing and acting like whores but not getting compensated for it---they're expected to work as much or more than men while providing a lot of the rest of the care.

117 115 Cool Czech,

our society is made of soda crackers...

one or two more good kicks and "crumble"....

one of the horrors of Soviet Russia was the destigmatization of illegitimacy and promiscuity coupled with state encouraged abortion created a demographic timebomb....

we all have a good time with mocking Fwance and Italy's "youth demographic" being 59 years old but Russia has pulled off the magic trick of low lifespan and low birthrate.

118 @117: Nope, and believe me: I thank God. Though I really always did want a little girl. It does sadden me sometimes I didn't get that chance.

119 Was the Timmy charecter in South Park modeled after Ron Paul? TIMMY! RON PAUL!!

120 Tom Ridge to endorse Huntsman

121

On the other hand, cute skanky girls in see-through dresses and g-strings are Hawt...

I had the an experience like the one you described a couple weeks back.

I was in the Campus convenience store at Boston University few years back when in walks some co-ed heading to class in a spandex micro-mini and a seriously low cut top.  - at 8:30 a.m.!!!  

I wasn't looking at her at all, but I had to get around her to get in the refrigerator case.  So I slide around her in the aisle and as I am standing there trying to decide if I am going to get the fruit or lemon-lime bottle of G-2, she says, "Perv."

I fonrtunately had the presence of mind to say, "Try not dressing like a slut and I'll try not looking at you like one."

That shut her up. 

These girls just do not "get it."

Well, they get it, but that's not what I am talking about here.

122 122, I spent lots of time telling them to cover up and trying to teach the virtues of modesty. Meanwhile, society screams, SHOW US YOUR TITS!!!!

123 120 Dagny,

I am happy that if I can only have one child he was a boy.

The gender gymnastics the moonbats try to program/deprogram kids with is indeed distorted.  He is forcibly being kept from acting like a male while the girls are encouraged to act like a weird hybrid of male/nymphomaniac.....

the generation of boys in school right now are either going to be the best warriors in history or the worst.....

I get the feeling the best, because once they are told "go ahead and just let the rage all out now Johnny" Johnny is gonna kill everything he sees.

124

Yes, I know.  But you forget that thanks to Obama the word "racist" now means, "anyone who expects all people to be treated the same way."

I thought it meant "anyone who disproves my argument."

125 I get the feeling the best, because once they are told "go ahead and just let the rage all out now Johnny" Johnny is gonna kill everything he sees. Yeah but unfortunatly it will be in a public school and not on a battle field.

126 15 F&F also reporting another push by Moochell to regulate restaurant portion sizes.

Yeah, I'm so grateful that Princess Fatbutt has given restaurants top cover to serve me even less food for more money. 

127

I dunno somehow I just lost the bubblegum nihilism necessary to identify with pop culture back in the '90s in my 20s..

Try being in your 60's.

Oh, and get off my lawn.

128 Just saw an article on Foxnews.com about "attackwatch" and how it has become a "conservativte punching bag". One tweeter said "hey, attack watch. I just saw 6 ATM's killing a job in an alley. It looked like a hate crime!"

This one if from a few days ago: Dear AttckWatch, I just saw some people not eating their peas! Do you guys have SWAT teams?

129

I spent lots of time telling them to cover up and trying to teach the virtues of modesty. Meanwhile, society screams, SHOW US YOUR TITS!!!!

I have a daughter, and if I could put her in a convent, I would.

Thankfully, she's only 10 months old right now.  Maybe something will change by the time she's a teen.  The culture does sort of have a pendulum-like nature to it. (And if it doesn't then just humor me and tell me it does....)

Because yes, yes, I've been to Amateur Night at Rick's Lounge with 300 drunken, screaming paratroopers.

Not something I ever want my girl to deal with.

130 Hello boys and ghouls Hope you're having a Good Mourning! Eeee-hee-heee-hee! Because now it's time for- Michele Bachmann's Tales of Terror They'll make you all a-scared and stuff....

131

Sorry, it's early and all. They really are going to double down on Bambi to that point. When the EV projections show him having trouble breaking triple digits he's gonna cover himself in peanut butter and move game pieces from Chutes and Ladders and candyland around on a roadmap of the US muttering about "words just words I am the one I've been waiting for..." Gonna be interesting to see the spin on why his handlers won't let anyone seee him.

damn sven, i had cleaned up the coffee...and now i must repeat the process with breakfast     

as for the handlers, they  ought to be purchasing straitjackets..in bulk

132 131 Trainer,

Oh I imagine the current shit looks worse the further you get away from "ground zero"....

wonder what the Flappers thought of the Hippies?

133 Just dropping by for my ritual denouncement:

RAAACISTS!
( h/t: hillbuzz )

Goin' back to Free Dominion to see who I've insulted today...

134 135 pitchforksandpowder,

Heh...

Looky here Jay Carney the sleeves tying in the back makes it easier for you to pull snark out of your ass so don't whimper, and turn around so I can cinch you up."

//Bill Daley

135 wonder what the Flappers thought of the Hippies? They probably thought "Damn, Refer Madness was a documentary".

136 127 120 Dagny,

I am happy that if I can only have one child he was a boy.

The gender gymnastics the moonbats try to program/deprogram kids with is indeed distorted.  He is forcibly being kept from acting like a male while the girls are encouraged to act like a weird hybrid of male/nymphomaniac.....

the generation of boys in school right now are either going to be the best warriors in history or the worst.....

I get the feeling the best, because once they are told "go ahead and just let the rage all out now Johnny" Johnny is gonna kill everything he sees.
  sven, make sure your boy plays baseball, football and basketball. Especially before reaching junior high. You will have no worries if you do this.

137

Well, they get it, but that's not what I am talking about here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 08:46 AM (sbV1u)

I guarantee you that in her mind, teeny as it may be, one of the reasons she dressed like that was to call someone a 'perv'. 

138

  sven, make sure your boy plays baseball, football and basketball. Especially before reaching junior high. You will have no worries if you do this.

Read that again, sven.

Baseball, football and basketball.

Not soccer.  Do you hear me man?!?!  Not soccer.

Not unless you want a metrosexual that is.

139

"But my comment about evangelicals is based not just on her and Huck, however.  It's based on having entirely too many conversations with evangelicals who want to talk about my "personal realtionship with Jesus."  As if it's any business of theirs."

Sean, I'm an evang myself.  I think you'd be shocked to know that there are HUGE numbers of us that mind our own business and DON'T proselytize our neighbors to the point of rejection.  But we do believe deeply in JC.

BTW, Bachmann turns me off big time.  I like Perry and not because he talks about GOD, but because he talks about the 10th Amendment.  If he gets into the WH, he had better keep his word and gut every dept back to the states.

140 142 Sean Bannion,

He wants to wrestle, take judo, and is a swimmer.  His goal has been to be in the Coast Guard since he was 5 or so.  I am trying to talk him into playing football like I did, but he doesn't like blindside contact.

I hope he'll be okay.

The soccer thing is no problem, even his mother who played thinks Soccer is an anarchist training ground.

141 Don't have a link, but saw on Faux last night that the K-daffy armories are unsecured and appear to be a walk-in shopping opportunity for those with a taste for weapons and HE.  Not that there are any people like that in free Libya.
I guess when you lead from behind, you can never be sure where the point man is actually going to go.

Saints preserve us from more "smart" diplomacy and "NATO-led" actions

142

Barry Rubin castigates Waxman for perpetuating the cursed “Elders of Zion” meme.

143 143 ST,

Remember we are electing a President not an Obama clone in reverse.  Perry only has the power to try to devolve power backwards, without enough Senators the Maine twins will stop us.  Sorry to be a dwoner, and nice post.

144 I get the feeling the best, because once they are told "go ahead and just let the rage all out now Johnny" Johnny is gonna kill everything he sees.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 08:47 AM (AEIYh)

The rage gets out.  After a day of their teachers bitching at them, the kids go home and rip apart Harpies with Kratos.

145 I went to College in my 30's. Whenever I ran accross those young harlots I always did the Winston Chuchill/ George Bernard Shaw (depends on who you believe) line. "We have established your profession, now it is just a matter or price" That shut em up.

146 Is it really any wonder we find our economy in its current state?  I mean, just look at whom a majority of Americans chose to invest in for POTUS.

147 Posted by: naturalfake at September 16, 2011 08:51 AM

LOL.  Well done!

148 Jellyfern Jeni Williams   thanks #AttackWatch for such fun entertainment! Love knowing so many others think like me #worstpresidentever #NObama 4 minutes ago   Preference Cascade! I have been reading the tweets on Attack Watch for comedic value this week and I think one of the uninteded consequences for The SCFOAMF is that now American's can find out that they are not alone in thinking that the SCFOAMF is SCOAMF'Y.

149

Sean, I'm an evang myself.  I think you'd be shocked to know that there are HUGE numbers of us that mind our own business and DON'T proselytize our neighbors to the point of rejection.  But we do believe deeply in JC.

Sukie, I wish I'd run into more like you then.  Because the military is the opposite.  It's very evangelical and very outspoken about it.  Depending on the branch and part of the country you're in.  Air Force in the upper Midwest?  No issues.  Army in Georgia?  Issues. 

I just used to shut them up by saying, "Look, I'm very Catholic, OK?"

Of course then 50% of the time I'd have to listen to the whole "Whore of Babylon" schtick. 

To me, religion is intensely personal, and intimate - and it ought to be.  That means there should be boundaries.  You don't run up to people you don't know that well and start having that conversation.  Better to live your faith as an example than to just shout it from the rooftops.  I've just run into too many times where there weren't any boundaries.

150

Barry Rubin castigates Waxman for perpetuating the cursed “Elders of Zion” meme.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 16, 2011 09:00 AM (jx2j9)

Geez....the picture about knocked me out of my chair!

151 145 Hrothgar,

There is a genuine possible market opportunity for an enterprising bunch with an old Liberty ship, a group of 20-40 ex military, 2 good lawyers, and about 10,000 bucks cash.

152 Sean, I'm an evang myself. I think you'd be shocked to know that there are HUGE numbers of us that mind our own business and DON'T proselytize our neighbors to the point of rejection. But we do believe deeply in JC. There is many many more of us than there are the others, Unfortunatly the Tamborine whackers are so freaking irritating..........

153 Who says you can't still go and have some fun after you are dead?:
 
After a shorter, but boozier and less amusing real-life version of the film Weekend at Bernie's, Denver prosecutors have charged two men with abusing a corpse, identity theft and criminal impersonation. Court papers say they loaded Jarrett's body into a car and drove him to various stops around Denver for a night — including a bar and a restaurant — while they used his ATM card.
 
Party on, dudes. They must be liberals.

154

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 16, 2011 09:06 AM (ZDUD4)

My point exactly OSP.  See my next post above.

155 The rage gets out.  After a day of their teachers bitching at them, the kids go home and rip apart Harpies with Kratos.

This!

With all the news coming out of Egypt and Turkey nearly very day, one probably could make a daily DOOM post of that all by itself.

Egypt declares Camp David accords with Israel 'not a sacred thing'

156 @125: Somebody needs a Slutwalk!

157

I guarantee you that in her mind, teeny as it may be, one of the reasons she dressed like that was to call someone a 'perv'. 

i've seen this behavior, from some of the women i used  (USED TO)to hang out with..always found it disturbing. 

another angle, and god knows, i'm not trying to make light of the subject, but, the clothing choice was made yesterday...she hadn't gotten home to change...ifywim    

158

Maybe SCOAMFUS will take a cue from these idiots: They entered into legal contracts, but are pissed they are expected to honor them.

159 Holy cr*p!  Dr. K calls Soc Sec a Ponzi scheme.  Link to WaPo. 

160

another angle, and god knows, i'm not trying to make light of the subject, but, the clothing choice was made yesterday...she hadn't gotten home to change...ifywim    

Now see?  I had never thought of that.  You're probably right.

Whore!

161 Sven, I had The Heir in judo when we lived in New Orleans and he loved it.

162 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Morning 'rons and 'ettes.

163 Panic

164 Rage does not make a good warrior.

165 Sukie, I wish I'd run into more like you then.  Because the military is the opposite.  It's very evangelical and very outspoken about it.  Depending on the branch and part of the country you're in.  Air Force in the upper Midwest?  No issues.  Army in Georgia?  Issues.

Yeah, but that goes both ways.  My wife and in-laws are very evangelical and I am very Catholic.  They've never tried to convert me or anything.

My wife, on the other hand, was asked point-blank by my very old-fashioned Parish priest if she would convert to Catholicism.

166 When I was younger and worked weekends, I lived in an apartment complex. I have seen more than one walk of shame complete with last nights crooked wrinkled slutty dress. It always made me laugh.

167

Rage does not make a good warrior.

Properly channeled rage does, however.

That's the purpose of Basic Training and AIT.

168 Lots of strikes going on, or about to. Teachers in Tacoma, transit workers in Phoenix, The UAW, CA grocery workers, and longshoremen in WA have all been mentioned in the news very recently.
 
Looks like a great big opportunity to create some new employees.

169

My wife, on the other hand, was asked point-blank by my very old-fashioned Parish priest if she would convert to Catholicism.

Good point.

I find that when that happens among Catholics, it tends to be lower key.  But you're right, I have seen (and heard) that.

170 172, It's PATCO time!!!

171 Posted by: franksalterego at September 16, 2011 09:12 AM (7/sDI)

My problem with that article is that it keeps claiming that Obama did all those things.

At most, he's castrating our efforts in the Middle East (pulling out of Iraq, not stepping up for Israel, stupid ROE in Afghanistan, etc.).

The rest of it he completely outsourced to Reid/Pelosi and didn't even bother to oversee what they were actually doing.

Which is something Republicans need to hit: All Democrats are tied to Obama, because it was the Congressional Dems who actually implemented most of Obama's agenda.  We need to say it over and over and over: A vote for ANY Democrat is a vote for Barack Obama, and a vote to keep ObamaCare.

172 Posted by: ProgressiveCapitalist7 at September 16, 2011 07:21 AM (t4YF+)

Praise Gaia!

173

  Good morning, good people.

  Being retired means that Friday is simply another day of idyllic ease, to be savored like a fine wine. Hope that helps.

174

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 16, 2011 09:18 AM (LH6ir)

Did you notice that "progressive capitalist" in an oxymoron?

175 The teachers at our Catholic high schools are on strike. The last time they struck (I think) I was in school and they didn't close the schools b/c half the teachers were nuns or priests so they could easily cover the striking lay teachers. Not so now - they had to close the schools. It's about seniority, not money - not surprising to me since many of the teacher *I* had - who were old then! - are still teaching. Can't get rid of them. They're great guys and all, but come on! Retire, seriously. And we need more damn nuns and priests or the whole thing is just going to collapse.

176 175, I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when that young MOH winner, during his private beer summit, busted Obamas ass about ROE's getting his friends killed.

177

Being retired means that Friday is simply another day of idyllic ease, to be savored like a fine wine. Hope that helps.

Does that mean you want me off your lawn?

178 Wonder when this will come to fruition?  Does anyone know anything about this?

Getting mixed signals on the new patent laws that they quietly passed.  Some folks who are small inventors are saying it discriminates against them.

179 172: Speaking of unions, I ran across yesterday on wikipeida that blew my mind: the page on the Blue Man Group has a section on 'Labor History.'
Shit you not.

I can't be the only one to think that is more than a little bit creepy.

180 How about the Washington Times story about how the SCOAMF is at or below 50% approval in all of the states he flipped?
Better yet, how about how they refer to him as Mr. rather than President? (Remember how that is the leftie way of showing contempt?)

181 I have to disagree about soccer. My son is the most conservative kid around and he played soccer all through school. Course it helps to have a mom who shoots a Mossberg off the back porch. At libtards.

182

 I have to disagree about soccer. My son is the most conservative kid around and he played soccer all through school. Course it helps to have a mom who shoots a Mossberg off the back porch. At libtards.

Well, there are some mitigating factors.

I would say you have one.

183 171 SB, Exactly rage doesn't make for good soldiers. Good soldiers however keep their rage in a nice little box. This next generation is going to have a lot of "motivation fuel" thanks to all the sublimation their mentors try to force on them.

184

Good point.

I find that when that happens among Catholics, it tends to be lower key.  But you're right, I have seen (and heard) that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:17 AM (sbV1u)

There's people who get overzealous in every religion.  The thing about Catholics and Evangelicals is that they may get slightly annoying when they try to convert you, but at least they don't try to kill you anymore.

Some other religions though...

185 My wife, on the other hand, was asked point-blank by my very old-fashioned Parish priest if she would convert to Catholicism.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 16, 2011 09:15 AM (FkKjr)

Well, he is a priest....it's kinda in his job description.

186 Just more acts of a senile old fool.

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 07:43 AM (M9Ie6)

Not fair. Carter has been stupid for a very long time. It's tempting to blame senility, but in fact his mind is as sharp as ever. He is just stunningly, mind-bogglingly dumb.

187 181 well played ...

188 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:17 AM (sbV1u)

Honestly, I think any Christian who isn't asking their friends and family to convert to their denomination is acting (at least a little) in bad faith.  Not so much, perhaps, friends and family who are already Christian (though some of that, too), but certainly if you're a Christian and they aren't, you should be trying to convert them.

Think about it: As Christians, we believe that Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth, and The Life, and that the only way to the Father is through the Son.  We then also, presumably, believe that our own denomination is closer to the "true" church than all the others (or else we'd join a different one that we thought was closer).  If both of those things are true, isn't it an act of loving kindness to try to get your friends and family closer to the True Path?

Now, this is not to say I think everyone should go all Jehovah's Witness and ride our bikes to random strangers' homes, but I don't feel upset in any way when my friends try to convince me that their denomination is closer to the Truth than mine. 

Of course, they're all blighted heretics, but I'm pretty sure that's out of ignorance, not malice.

189 Hot Air has a headline post up about people wishing for Hillary.  Let's not forget, she'd be a lousy president, too.  She'd just be lousy in a different way. 

190 161 I guarantee you that in her mind, teeny as it may be, one of the reasons she dressed like that was to call someone a 'perv'.  i've seen this behavior, from some of the women i used  (USED TO)to hang out with..always found it disturbing.     This. I don't think there's a man alive that hasn't experienced this at some point. I think it's actually the gal's conscience projecting: they KNOW how they are dressed and the looks they DESERVE (Yes, I say! Deserve!) to get. So they anticipate it even if it's not really there.

191 "I guarantee you that in her mind, teeny as it may be, one of the reasons she dressed like that was to call someone a 'perv'." The same thing happened to a friend of mine earlier this year. He was standing behind an inappropriately dressed girl in line at the dry cleaner, and she called him a "perv" immediately after turning to leave. He told me about it since it bugged the crap out of him because he has a daughter in college and he was catching up with emails on his crackberry the whole time. Sounds like some stupid game.

192 Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 16, 2011 07:52 AM (6IV8T)

LMAO.

193

This next generation is going to have a lot of "motivation fuel" thanks to all the sublimation their mentors try to force on them.

Shit, it must suck to be a boy now.  When I was a kid I remember climbing 100 foot juniper trees, by myself, far away from any help if something went wrong.

These days kids would have to do that with a helmet, swiss seat, and someone on belay.

If they were allowed in the tree at all that is

194

164

there.   that did it

i cannot eat or drink and read this blog.    if anyone out there has advise on stain removal, linky, please.        oh, forget it, i'd be wary to open a link from this crew  

 

old sailor, what you were seeing wasn't a walk of shame...honest to god, in some circles, it was a badge of honor.   tarnished,yet worn proudly. told you, i've hung with some pretty 'interesting women' .   i managed to wise up in my mid 30s. staring down the barrel at 50 now...looking back, i made some poor choices as far as people i thought were friends.    the past is the past. i live for tomorrow, these days. 

195 It's raining in San Antonio! Not much but we will take anything!

196

After the raging success of AttackWatch, Obama supporters are ready to launch MiserableFailure, to help point out that everything is still Bush's fault. It should be equally successful.

197 Properly channeled rage does, however. That's the purpose of Basic Training and AIT The only newspaper I saw during Infantry OSUT was the front page photo of the dead, naked bodies of Michael Durant's Blackhawk crew being dragges through the streets of Mogadishu. It was like dangling a steak in front of Rottweilers that hadn't eaten in days.

198 I am very happy I have daughters.
A friend's son was just released from the hospital with a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain. Capt. of h.s. football team, looking at scholarships, wanted to be a doctor... He and the boys were fooling around in the parking lot, car surfing. He is lucky to be alive.

199 Hot Air has a headline post up about people wishing for Hillary.  Let's not forget, she'd be a lousy president, too.  She'd just be lousy in a different way.

Yeah, but I'm also thinking she would be qualitatively less lousy.  If only a little.

Obama supporters are ready to launch MiserableFailure

Pleasepleaseplease tell me that isn't a joke.  Because Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

200 198, Well, maybe some, but the girls I saw had that the shame look of the housebrokin dog that shit on the rug.

201

After the raging success of AttackWatch, Obama supporters are ready to launch MiserableFailure, to help point out that everything is still Bush's fault. It should be equally successful.

Even Hitler agrees AttackWatch is a joke. 

202 Getting mixed signals on the new patent laws that they quietly passed.  Some folks who are small inventors are saying it discriminates against them.

If that patent law remained in its original form (and I think it did) it favors big companies with armies of lawyers vs the actual inventor of the item.

It makes it a lot easier for them to steal patents from small companies and inventors. There were many warnings of this but the MFM didn't want to push it because the commies were pushing it.

203 Well, he is a priest....it's kinda in his job description

That's what I was going to say.

Also, if he brought it up when you were dating/engaged/married, it is completely understandable to me.  A mixed marriage is certainly possible, but I think it's more difficult on both the spouses and their children.  RCism is pretty regimented. 

204 She'd just be lousy in a different way.

Posted by: Y-not at September 16, 2011 09:24 AM (5H6zj)

I read that too quickly and saw something about Hillary being a lousy lay.

The intimation that someone here has direct experience with the sexual skills of that woman was one of the most disturbing ideas of my life.

205

Now, this is not to say I think everyone should go all Jehovah's Witness and ride our bikes to random strangers' homes, but I don't feel upset in any way when my friends try to convince me that their denomination is closer to the Truth than mine. 

You're right, there's a duty.  But there is also more than one way to evangelize.

But you also made my point.  It was your friends that do that.  Not your co-workers, not acquaintances.  It was people who knew you. 

I never have a problem discussing religion - mine or anytone else's - with people I know well.  For example, my life mission is to drag my father-in-law back to his Catholic roots as opposed to swilling a latte and listening to Christain rock at his current mega-church every Sunday.  ;-)

The difference is I know him, and I know before I get there if I am going too far.  Strangers do not do this, and that's my hang-up with their efforts.

206

Baseball, football and basketball.

Not soccer.  Do you hear me man?!?!  Not soccer.

Not unless you want a metrosexual that is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 08:56 AM (sbV1u)

If your kid starts showing signs of metro, have him play rugby.  That will knock the metrosexual out of him.

207 201 EoJ, One of the niftiest moves I saw Dubya do in the GWoT was offer to send the 75th back to Somalia with a slightly looser RoE if the Skinnies made it clear they were overtly trying to hide AQ leadership. Nice "they're dying to say hello" was left unspoken.

208 I have a 13 yr old daughter as well as son ( who played soccer and is NOT metro) . Being a female teenager has to be scary as he'll these days. We are thinking of putting her in a military school for high school.

209 Posted by: real joe at September 16, 2011 09:27 AM (w7Lv+)

Every child, but especially the males, contract a disease around 13.  It's called "teenager" and one of the symptoms is, quite frequently, abject stupidity.  If they're lucky enough to survive it relatively unscathed, it usually goes away about the time they hit 23, though the specific age of contraction and age of recovery may vary.

I'm sorry to hear that he was one of the casualties- you never like to hear about such promise cut short.  Tell your friend they're in my prayers (I don't have to know them; God does).

210
  @ 181--Nah, morons are always welcome, you just can't come in the house.


  BTW, has anyone noticed that Firefox has devolved into a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserably failed browser?

211 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 16, 2011 09:06 AM (ZDUD4)

Give me a country of evangelical Christians, some Jews like me and nevergiveup and Hussein the plumber and a few others, and I will be a happy camper. We will need to throw in some mainline protestants -- just for their martini-making skills and their cute teenage daughters. Oh, and some Hindus for the food.

212

If your kid starts showing signs of metro, have him play rugby.  That will knock the metrosexual out of him.

I played rugby in college and the Army.

You ain't whistling Dixie.

Ever try and tackle a Samoan?  Their biceps are the size of your thigh.

213 OMG, someone needs to report this to Attackwatch Stat.

214 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 16, 2011 09:17 AM

What it points out is, Democrats are backstabbing cockroaches.

Like we didn't know that, already.

215 218, 205, probably the best Hitler vid to date.

216 as opposed to swilling a latte and listening to Christain rock at his current mega-church every Sunday.

I've never understood those churches.  Church service (I'm not Catholic, so I won't call it "Mass," but, let's face it: Sunday Service is Mass) should be a time of devotion and praise to God.  I don't see how you do that with a rock-band on stage.

I can stand and sing in church directly in front of someone who can't carry a tune in a bucket (and, quite frequently, do) and I'm fine because I know they're singing His praises.  I don't think I could be quite so sanguine if there was a band on stage playing off-key.  If that's the case, that suggests the band being on-stage is about the band, not God, doesn't it?

217 217 What is up with those guys? They are all freaking huge ...

218 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:19 AM (sbV1u)

Oh yes! Actually, it's so obviously a sock or a troll that it is fun. I am too lazy to Bing the hash to see which.

219

If they were allowed in the tree at all that is

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:25 AM (sbV1u)

My two are grown, and they had 6 trips to the ER between them for various broken bones and cuts needing stitches.
 
The joys of parenthood. I doubt it is much safer for this crop of kids, unless their parents are real smotherers.

220 222, The women are huge. Not fat, huge.

221

CoolCzech

b.i.n.g.o.     it chaps our arses, too, you know. 

   i've wondered if they've  ever outgrow this sort of behavior....hmmm. maybe i'll look a few of them up, and inquire.       nah. 

222 The best way to convert someone is through your actions. 

What's been interesting to me here (Provo/Orem) is that the folks really integrate their religion (LDS) into virtually everything they do.  It's very natural to talk about religious things here in just normal conversation.  Although I'm RC, and there's really no chance I would convert to Mormonism, it doesn't bother me.  It's kind of pleasant, in a way.  I sort of feel like I've been transported back in time to my parents' era when they lived in a close-knit (Catholic) community and pretty much everyone shared that aspect of their lives. 

I'm not sure how Jews feel about it - because the folks here include overtly Christian things as opposed to more generic type of religious talk - but I have met several Jews who have said they like living here.

No one has tried to convert us, but my husband works for someone really well-connected with the church leadership, so I think we have sort of a little bubble around us.  Folks probably figure if anyone is going to try to convert us, it would be him. 

223 His name was Ronnie, he was in Congress
From the 14th district of Texas

224

I don't see how you do that with a rock-band on stage.

Exactly!

I have no problem with success.  I do have a problem with his "pastor" driving a Mercedes E series.

That should not be on the benefits list from the HR Department.

225

Ever try and tackle a Samoan?  Their biceps are the size of your thigh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:33 AM (sbV1u)

If you ever see a Samoan running down the street screaming, you know that there is a Tongan chasing him.

226 230 bahahahahahahaha!

227 I do have a problem with his "pastor" driving a Mercedes E series.

Yeah... I tend to think that any congregation which can afford to pay its ministerial staff like that isn't doing what it should.  Now, that presumes a relatively new, Mercedes, of course.  If he saved his pennies and bought a 2 or 3 year old lease-return, that's another matter.

Of course, I also come from a church that doesn't call our ministers "pastor."  They're just "preacher."

228 Kinda on topic, Lieberman praises Perry and Bachmann for including their faiths in their public lives/campaigns.  Link to NRO.

I know he's bone-headed on many things, but I like Joe Lieberman.  He seems like a good person.  I hold out hope that some day he'll see the light and reject the progressive movement. 

229 If you ever see a Samoan running down the street screaming, you know that there is a Tongan chasing him.

I'm so glad I wasn't taking a drink when I read that comment.

Though, in response to the original comment: If you find yourself having to tackle a Samoan (or a Tongan, for that matter), it's usually time to find a new pass-time.

230 White House works to quell Dem dissent
"Senior administration officials met with Senate Democrats for an hour and a half on Thursday to answer their complaints about President ObamaÂ’s jobs bill."

Dem insiders blame Bill Daley for Obama's failures
“'Is there a level of unhappiness with Bill around the White House? Yeah,' said a person close to Obama who spoke on condition of anonymity, like almost all other insiders interviewed for this story."

Obama to highlight 'urgent' bridge repair in BoehnerÂ’s home state   
“'It’s not a coincidence in that the bridge is one we can get to and highlight from the White House on a day trip that absolutely illustrates the problems that we have with infrastructure in this country,' [Carney] said in Thursday’s press briefing."

231

I know he's bone-headed on many things, but I like Joe Lieberman.  He seems like a good person

I like Lieberman too.  I'd never vote for him, but I like him.  He seems to be a liberal you can reason with.

Which makes him an endangered species.

232 Whats next on this road to serfdom? Aren't price and wage freezes the next thing?

233 He seems like a good person....for a Jooo.

Posted by: Y-not at September 16, 2011 09:42 AM (5H6zj)

FIFY

234

Though, in response to the original comment: If you find yourself having to tackle a Samoan (or a Tongan, for that matter), it's usually time to find a new pass-time.

And this is why I no longer play rugby.

That and I broke the same ankle 3 times.

235 “'Is there a level of unhappiness with Bill around the White House? Yeah,' said a person close to Obama who spoke on condition of anonymity, like almost all other insiders interviewed for this story."

Oh.  Look.  Someone else to take the blame for the Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failures, um, failures.

236

Well, he is a priest....it's kinda in his job description.

Posted by: Tami at September 16, 2011 09:23 AM (X6akg)

Very true, but trying to convert a devout Protestant when half the people in the country don't believe in God is kinda useless.  It's not like she's hell-bound and godless.

Also, if he brought it up when you were dating/engaged/married, it is completely understandable to me.  A mixed marriage is certainly possible, but I think it's more difficult on both the spouses and their children.  RCism is pretty regimented. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 16, 2011 09:28 AM (5H6zj)

He wasn't a bad man by any stretch, but conversion wasn't really going to work in our case.  Both her minister and the priest we were doing marriage counseling with discussed the issues which arise from an interfaith marriage.  The biggie is baptism.  After that things aren't so hard.

237 Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 09:28 AM (M9Ie6)
Nothing favored by the establishment supports the small guy. 
IANAL, but as I understand it the previous patent law gave the edge to the first invented claim, while the new and improved job creating version gives the edge to the first filed.
The example goes like this.  I invent a widget in my garage and document it (photos, drawings, logs, description, witnesses, etc., all dated to establish origination).   I then organize my material and prepare a patent application and submit it to a DMV like patent office.
A big corporation, loaded with labs and lawyers, has been working on a similar widget and finally gets one working a day after my dated proof of concept.  They pull all their material together and submit it to the PO via special messenger one day before my application arrives.
Old rules, after PO review, the lonely garage inventor gets the patent rights as first to invent.
New rules, after the PO review, the lonely garage inventor gets screwed over and the corporation gets the patent rights as first to file.
Sounds about right to me, not!

238

Oh.  Look.  Someone else to take the blame for the Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failures, um, failures.

When SCoaMF is out (Oh! Happy day!!), I am going on lock-down for a month solid just to read all the "kiss and tell" books that are going to come out.  You'll hear the fapping all the way to Attu and Kiska.

Please send Spam and Valu-Rite

239

The left are pining for Hillary now that they realize that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure as if Hillary would have been any better.  The U.S. foreign policy is jokingly non-existent except for the constant negative pressure on Israel.  American prestige is in the cesspit.  The only difference between Hillary and SCOAMF is that Hillary would have been the Menopausal Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, imo.

240 Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 16, 2011 09:43 AM (o2lIv)

Infrastructure is a code word for liberal spending.

Here's an idea: Stop mandating the use of union labor on all of these infrastructure projects and we will have lots of shiny new bridges in half the time and under budget.

241
  If the wife and I never did anything else in our 40-some years of marriage, we can point to having raised the two finest daughters in this hemisphere. They were brought up just as we were--please and thank you and all the other values that were drilled into their parents.  And it's SO great to see the grandkids following suit. To my mind, that is the best legacy we could have imagined.


   And Firefox STILL sucks.

242 The only difference between Hillary and SCOAMF is that Hillary would have been the Menopausal Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, imo.

I disagree.  I think she's less ideological and more power-hungry.  I think she would have backed down on Health Care, and would not have doubled (now tripled) down on Stimulus.

243 oh Joy, Monty touched on this in yesterday's DOOM!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3pcr9js

Link to "the street"

It looks like Timmy Turbotax and Helicopter ben Bukkake are going to TARP EUtopia.  The fix is in for Greece fellas, Germany is not going to be on the hook we are.  Remember in yesterday's DOOM how I said the minute you know they are getting bailed out put your play money in hellenic bonds?(NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR)

Looks like it's time.  The rumor mill has the fed moving 421.1 billion USD secretly into EUtopian banks this last two weeks.  Good to know that the guys who ultimately hold our economy in their hands thing that another half trillion is just what the doctor ordered.

244 I can stand and sing in church directly in front of someone who can't carry a tune in a bucket (and, quite frequently, do) and I'm fine because I know they're singing His praises.

I'll try to do better this week, Allen.

Cats have been known to stare in amazement when they hear me.

245

woke up this morning and it was 40 degrees outside. High of 59  today.

 

Finally, this is my type of weather.

246 LOL, all of ya'll talking about Samoans and rugby reminded me of the sport of choice for them on the ship back in the 70s.

That was power lifting at sea and Australian rules football in port. Rugby and soccer weren't that big in the far east then. ARF is kind of a mix between soccer and football except that it is much much rougher.

247

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 16, 2011 09:50 AM (8y9MW)

I agree with you.  I also don't think she would have bailed out GM or Chrysler.  I think her attitude, driven by ideology more than the need for union votes, would have been more along the lines of "Fuck those capitalists."

Which would have been, paradoxically, the right move.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

248 The only difference between Hillary and SCOAMF is that Hillary would have been the Menopausal Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, imo.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 16, 2011 09:47 AM (jx2j9)

I'm not sure. Hillary is smarter than the SCOAMF, so she might not have overreached as much. And she understand the legislative process better than Obama (pbuh), so she might have been more successful in getting her policies through congress.

I'm glad we will never find out.

249 I wouldn't trust Muffer Stalin Rodham as far as the length of her strap-on.

250 Vic,

Notice that the end result given Moochelle's mandated "reset" restaurant size servings is that customers are paying more for less food, a win for the supposedly injured restaurant industry. Overcharged, again, and without Hillary's help.

251 Posted by: Retread at September 16, 2011 09:51 AM (o/h26)

Honestly?  The I enjoy the sound of the little old ladies who can't sing, trying.  The only thing that makes me smile bigger (in church) is hearing the kids (try to) sing.

252

I wouldn't trust Muffer Stalin Rodham as far as the length of her strap-on.

It's only six inches, but Donna Shalala likes it that big around.

253

Well, he is a priest....it's kinda in his job description.

Posted by: Tami at September 16, 2011 09:23 AM (X6akg)

 

Well said.  My parish priest told me that his flock doesn't consist of Catholics only.  He felt a responsibility to ALL Christians in his jurisdiction.  Just one of the many things I love about the Church. 

254 Sock Fail @258

255 "I've never understood those churches.  Church service (I'm not Catholic, so I won't call it "Mass," but, let's face it: Sunday Service is Mass) should be a time of devotion and praise to God.  I don't see how you do that with a rock-band on stage." I just had this same argument with an aunt of mine. It may be just a personal preference thing, but I don't get how one can express the appropriate reverence for God when there's the rock concert/ coffee bar thing going on. It just seems to me like the whole attitude from the "seeker" friendly folks is one of faith being about man and his feelings instead of being about God. But again, that's my opinion. I converted to Catholicism this past year after two years of study and I can't tell you how awful some folks have been to me about it. I've got one cousin who's a Church of God preacher and he takes every opportunity to needle me about how Catholics are going to hell for being a part of the "whore of Babylon." It's more annoying than anything, but i do get tired of the nonsense, esp. since most of his opinion on the subject is based on ignorance and misinformation. I try to mind my own business when it comes to faith and the few conversations I have about it (like the one with my aunt) are always initiated by someone else's inquiry. I try to live my faith as much as possible and let that be an example instead of getting in people's faces or being confrontational. Confrontation turns folks off, in my experience.

256 253 Sean Bannion,

Laissez-Faire works whether delivered from a kiss or a kick in the nuts.

Her Majesty the Ice Queen strikes me as resilute enough in her faith that a few hundred million of personal play money is enough....

Ogabe wants Astor type playmoney

257 Baseball, football and basketball. Not soccer. Do you hear me man?!?! Not soccer. Not unless you want a metrosexual that is. Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 08:56 AM (sbV1u) Late to the sport discussion but- Soccer is great for young boys(4-9). They run almost the whole time. And their not bored like with baseball. My two oldest played it through high school and believe me boys' high school soccer *is* a contact sport. My youngest wanted even more contact but is small. He'd never get playing time. He tried both rugby and lacrosse. And loved lacrosse. I have to say lacrosse, if our experience is any indication nationwide, has the best set of coaches and parents and good sportsmanship, of any sport. Anyway, speed, skill, and physical contact- try lacrosse. @151 Thanks, Y-not!

258 I'm denouncing all of you to the inquisition .

259 Huntsman to pick up endorsement by...Tom Ridge? I'm on my phone so no direct link but it's over at National Journal.

260 The Samoans in the army are very cliquish, too. Have a problem with one? Now you have a problem with all of them. Really, guys? Overkill.

261 Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 07:26 AM (AEIYh)

Nah, that's gotta be snarky sarcasm.

262

It just seems to me like the whole attitude from the "seeker" friendly folks is one of faith being about man and his feelings instead of being about God. But again, that's my opinion.

Yes, yes, and yes!

I knew I loved you.  ;-)

since most of his opinion on the subject is based on ignorance and misinformation

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”  - Bishop Fulton Sheen

263

It's only six inches, but Donna Shalala likes it that big around.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:54 AM (sbV1u)

To Stumpy's credit, she was the only Cabinet member to call out Clenis for lying to everybody about Monica.  It might've been because she considers hetero love as an abomination and rape, but at least she didn't roll over like RINO Bill Cohen.

264 Looks like our Nutmegger Morons have some work to do (link to NRO): Connecticut voters are divided 48 – 48 percent on President Barack ObamaÂ’s job approval, down from 53 – 44 percent approval June 15 and the presidentÂ’s lowest grade ever in the state.  There is a large gender gap as women approve 52 – 42 percent while men disapprove 54 – 43 percent.  By a slim 49 – 46 percent, voters say the president deserves reelection.

For a heavily Democratic state, thatÂ’s pretty darn bad. But so far, no Republican candidate has closed the sale:

In 2012 general election matchups, Obama tops Perry 52 – 33 percent and beats Romney 49 – 36 percent

265 On Barky's call for more infrastructure stimulus I keep waiting for at least one Republican with balls to ask him two questions:

1. What happened to the first infrastructure spending in the $1T spending?

2. Perhaps we should cease spending all the highway tax funds on bike paths and buses and start spending it on what it was originally intended for.

266 "I like Lieberman too. I'd never vote for him, but I like him. He seems to be a liberal you can reason with." I *want* to like Lieberman because he *seems* reasonable, but he should have pulled Algore aside during Florida 2000 and talked him down from the ledge. At the very least, he should not have closed ranks as he did. I don't think this country will ever recover from the poison Gore and his goons spewed in those five weeks.

267

The Samoans in the army are very cliquish, too. Have a problem with one? Now you have a problem with all of them.

Noticed that, did you?

But when they're on your side, they're alllllll on your side.  When I was a Support Platoon Leader my Fuel Section NCO was Samoan.

Damn, he saved my ass so many times.

268 260 mandy P.,

Keep the faith.

I am a lapsed catholic from a family of Protestants who has:

1)been very pious

2)renounced my faith in my teens

3) dabbled in Buddhism and Asatru

4)resumed the faith and begged forgiveness of the maker

5)been disillusioned with the secular invading the clerical

6)left the Church after a Priest took the time to call my newborn son a bastard because the wife and I were married by a judge

7)found happiness with a Baptist Church

can't fins the right flock in my new town.

Faith is how you frame your devotion to Him, it is the most personal matter around.  If you can be a decent citizen and a good Christian it is not your kin and former friends affair how you bend knee.

Even my hellraising father has a form of devotion to the word, he taught me that hard work is how one shows love for family and the Father.

I have yet to be dissuaded there is merit to his view.

269 Notice that the end result given Moochelle's mandated "reset" restaurant size servings is that customers are paying more for less food, a win for the supposedly injured restaurant industry. Overcharged, again, and without Hillary's help.

I don't think she was actually shooting for that. It is a "side benefit".

270

>>>The Samoans in the army are very cliquish, too. Have a problem with one? Now you have a problem with all of them.

They're delicious, I wish the girl scouts sold them year round.

271 1. What happened to the first infrastructure spending in the $1T spending?

Posted by: Vic at September 16, 2011 10:00 AM (M9Ie6)

Exactly; when I was listening to the Indonesian talking about the bridge between Ohio and Kentucky being in shitty shape I was thinking why Porkulus 1 hadn't fixed that.

272 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 09:59 AM (sbV1u) That quote from Archbishop Sheen is so true! Since I converted my Mom's been asking all sorts of questions because she gets crap from my extended family about my conversion. So she's been talking to me about it and I directed her to some good books on various controversial subjects and she's told me how amazed she is at how much she agrees with and how much sense we make. Honestly, there isn't nearly as much difference between us and Protestants as a lot of people think. A sizable portion of the problems are a result of a difference in semantics. I've found that a goodly amount of time we're all saying the same things but using different words, and then arguing about it. So we spend a lot of time arguing about areas where we agree but express it differently instead of hashing out the real doctrinal differences.

273

246   kudos on a job well done.

i'm struggling with this, now.  she's only 5, but the questions have started.   the easiest of them, was when we lost power for 3 days, recently. this sort of thing is new to her, and we tried to explain it the best way we could...the power co. had been called, but there are many without power, be patient, yada, yada, yada      she asked who would take care of us...and the answer began with, 'we will take care of ourselves'.   it was cool to see the look on her face, and empowering moment, for a child, and you could SEE it. a teachable moment, and the lesson was learned...will keep up the reinforcement, always.

and yes, i did wonder, when had i become my mother.       it is generational.

274

6)left the Church after a Priest took the time to call my newborn son a bastard because the wife and I were married by a judge

I can see he's not in line with the Magestirium.  Too bad he couldn't.  Canonically speaking, he was wrong.

Seems to be a common problem with a lot of Priests these days.

I am really lucky to be in the parish I am in.  I dread having to leave it when my wife wants to move back home.

275 Irish college expels Professor Conan T. Barbarian

"Trinity College in Dublin was spoofed Thursday when an unknown prankster posted an academic profile of its newest English lecturer: a certain Conan T. Barbarian, complete with Hollywood mug shot of a shirtless, sword-clad Arnold Schwarzenegger in his maiden film role."

276 276 Captain Hate,

or the democrat in charge at the time....

Ogabe is flailing and trying way too hard to be way too cute....

when you are handing ammo to your enemy you are either flailing or a retard.

The only way his line of thought works is if you can't answer back.

"Hey bambi you had your shot...a trill worth maybe if you'd had less signs made there'd a been more cash for workers?"

Bambi better have Bridge in a Box handy.

277 6)left the Church after a Priest took the time to call my newborn son a bastard because the wife and I were married by a judge

Surely you jest?????

278

Tavis Smiley wants Obama to "look after blacks".

So Smiley is speaking to NBC's Lester Holt and he said that Obama should look after blacks because they represent the most loyal part of his base.  Smiley goes on to ask the brilliant question; "What ever happened to the notion that to the victor goes the spoils?"

Well Tavis, not only are you an ignorant bigot, but you propose a dangerous and damaging precedent.  Let me explain.

Suppose Tavis, that Rick Perry is elected president in 2012.  Can we say that the "most loyal" part of his base are caucasians who need to be looked after? Adopting your precedent that to the victor goes the spoils, can we then have President Perry end affirmative action, kick all minorities off of welfare, and then transfer that wealth to caucasians?  I'm just spit balling here, Tavis, and applying the precedent that you yourself wish to apply.

Do you see now what an ignorant, bigoted, dangerous FOOL you are Mr. Smiley?

279 My house is being buzzed by a black Huey, Now WTF did I do?

280

Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 16, 2011 10:04 AM (qFpRI

Go find "If Protestantism Is True" on Amazon.

Give it to your Mom.  It's a quick read.

281 Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 10:01 AM (AEIYh)

I became a Jew for the gold.

282 Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 10:01 AM (AEIYh) Thanks, Sven! I'm really happy with my decision to convert and I don't begrudge anyone else their faith at all. Wish I could get a bit of that in return from the extended family, but what can you do? They're family and so I love them anyway.

283 She'd just be lousy in a different way.

Ah yes, the ol' Clinton machine "reset" back to Clinton. More fries! Forget her willing suspension of disbelief, America.

284 286, I became a Lutheran for the pickled fish. WINNER!!

285 charliebrown.......is that why you vote republican....to protect your gold?//////

286 The older folks thought the Flappers were crazy sluts headed straight for Hell. They also thought Louise Brooks was teh hawt. She was.

287 Slimebag sentence for ripping off GIs and families.

Prosecutors said Quimby, of Redlands, Calif., had more than 16,000 identities on his computer. He used various file-sharing programs to download files with personal information from the computers of his victims.

"One of the things he downloaded was a roster from a particular military base that had very detailed information about where people were stationed, their names, their date of rank, date of birth," U.S. Attorney Frank Gatto said.

Many of the victims are active-duty and reserve service members.

"They were vulnerable because, had they been overseas, they may not lave know about it until they got back, so their families would have to deal with it as well as the fact that they were away overseas," Gatto said.

Flaunt it.

288

I became a Jew for the gold.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)

If I pointed out that Catholicism is really just an ancient Jewish sect, would I get the gold too?

289 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 10:07 AM (sbV1u) Thanks, Sean. I've read good things about that book and just hadn't checked it out yet. I'll have to get her a copy.

290

They also thought Louise Brooks was teh hawt. She was.

Yes, yes, she was.

I know because my wife looks like the love child of Louise Brooks and Winona Ryder.

291 I became Scottish for the whiskey.

292

PIAPS being smarter than presidunce isn't a strong point. They both despise the country equaly. She'd just be better at tearing it down.

293

284

did you sock attack watch??     

294 279 Sean bannion,

it really horrified me...the wife's mom was Pentecostal, she was baptist we had decided when we were courting that we would raise the child with one faith.  Unsolicited she asked to start the Cathechism and had that little gift dropped in her lap.  I started to lung over the table at him and gently reminded him that if he wanted to know why the faith was dying in the US maybe he should preach a little less about social justice and spend a little more energy policing the priest's nocturnal habits.  We were then going to go Anglican but there is a civil war in that Church going on, so I devolved back to going Baptist since my family and the wife are comfy there.

Anyway like I said I don't pry I offer advice on making peace with God when asked how I stay motivated to work or do kindness.  I don't try to convert to one faith or sect I try to explain to people that the human condition requires a sublimation of self to the timeline and mission that faith in God represents.  Understanding that though our time on this planet is short and the work we can do here at best is transitional and attritable the effort and love we give is eternal.

regards,
sven

295 I'm going to miss Longhorn Steak House, Olive Garden not so much.

296 Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 16, 2011 10:09 AM (eOXTH)

Of course! I am consciously rejecting the tenets of my faith to defend my vast horde of gold that I stole from the parents of the Christian children I bled to make matzoh for Passover.

297 To show my support for Judaism I had myself circumcised. Again.

298 295 You are a lucky man, then.

299 286 CBD,

I became a buddhist for the rice and tarts....

300 298, Just the Hitler Attackwatch video. Those Marxists have no sense of humor. It's gone now. It circled for about 5 mins.

301 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 10:09 AM (sbV1u)

Sorry, you folks blew it two thousand years ago.

302 Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 16, 2011 10:04 AM (qFpRI)

I've found that the various denominations have much, much more in common than they do in conflict, and it's those who are least well versed in their own denomination who believe the differences are the most vast.

I may disagree with many things the Catholics believe, but I don't believe they aren't Christian.  I get in arguments with Baptists fairly frequently (and they do have one piece of doctrine with which I disagree vehemently), but I would never argue that they're not Christian (wrong, maybe, but still Christian).

303 or the democrat in charge at the time....

As I've stated before, Twitch literally didn't do a single positive thing, or anything that worked in any fashion, in 4 years.  Btw, Kasich was on Laura Ingraham this morning and sounded pretty good in his "aw shucks" way.

304 I became a Jew for the gold.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 16, 2011 10:07 AM (LH6ir)

 

Be careful or  Henry "I escaped from the Island of Dr. Moreau" Waxman will come after you

305 Hollywood mug shot of a shirtless, sword-clad Arnold Schwarzenegger in his maiden film role."

Miss80sBaby,
hillarious² given Ahnold's maiden role. How did he put that, girly-man?

306

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 10:12 AM (AEIYh)

Your understanding of your faith is still very Catholic.   ;-)

I am really sorry that happened.  But, he was wrong canonically, and he was wrong theologically.  Period.  Moreover, he denied any forgiveness at all, and as the Catechism would point out, there is no sin so serious that it cannot be forgiven in the Church.

Sorry, I was bored so I picked up an MA in theology with my GI Bill (no shit).

307 As long as you are shamed by breaking any one of the ten commandments, You can pray to a Swiffer damp mop, I couldn't give a FK.

308 Palestinian leaders announced on 15 September that they would seek full membership at the United Nations next week.

President, Mahmoud Abbas will address the United Nations General Assembly on 23 September to request the Security Council to recognize Palestine as an independent state - a necessary condition for full UN membership. The Obama administration has promised to veto the resolution.

In announcing the position, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad al-Maliki said he was not closing the door to the possible resumption of peace talks. "We have decided to submit our application for full membership," said al-Maliki. "At the same time, we have said that, until then, we are open to any kind of suggestions, ideas that could really come from any side for the renewal of negotiations."

Any suggestions?

309

I've found that the various denominations have much, much more in common than they do in conflict, and it's those who are least well versed in their own denomination who believe the differences are the most vast.

As usual Allen, you're hitting home runs.  Spot on.

310 "Unsolicited she asked to start the Cathechism and had that little gift dropped in her lap." Ugh! Thats awful! I guess it just goes to show there are jerks in every faith. I really feel lucky that I landed in the parish I did. The priests are great and take the faith seriously. Our pastor is a canon lawyer so he's very much in line with doctrine and at the same time is a very gentle man. There's a really good balance there. Our parochial vicar is a younger guy who is extremely reverent but manages to avd being stuffy. Again, I feel so lucky. I've read about some awful parish experiences from the ultra-liberal ones where they advocate for all sorts of crazy nonsense, to the ultra-conservative ones where everyone not attending mass in Latin is looked down upon. It's a crapshoot sometimes. But like I said, I think that goes on with any faith. It's just the nature of people.

311 Moreover, he denied any forgiveness at all, and as the Catechism would point out, there is no sin so serious that it cannot be forgiven in the Church.

There is one sin that can't be forgiven I thought, but it is pretty specific and even then there are loopholes.

312 As usual Allen, you're hitting home runs.  Spot on.

Thank you, but I can't claim sole credit.

My favorite theological book (and I read it at least once a year) is Mere Christianity.  My two favorite Apologist books are Miracles (also by Lewis) and I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist.

313 "but I would never argue that they're not Christian (wrong, maybe, but still Christian)." I'm right there with you, Allen!

314 282 Vic,

No I do not.  Reflecting on it as I have aged and my passion on the matter has cooled I understand that it was an asshole running his mouth frock or no.  Still haven't been back to Mass nor will I ever.

Besides I thought about my faith and the structure therein a lot in the anger afterwards.

At the end of the day I am more clockworker deist than anything...
 
I believe in and love God, I cannot look at our universe and life and credit the creation of all things to a catastrophic chemical coincidence.  Judeo-Christian doctrine and morals seem to me to be the best way to express love for the Creator and have a moral community.  Certain people's vocal reliance on constant divine intervention and miracles seems a heretical narcissism to me were I to have a more structured theological bent than I do I would in all likelihood still include a purgatory in my view.

Freewill is inherent in our faith, and the aforementioned narcissist acts like the Maker is manipulating reality non-stop.  I figure He does miracles to reset the clock, but mostly he allows creation to go towards whatever end is His plan.  Unlike some more vocal Deist types and atheists I cannot believe that we simply cease to be at the end.

The mystery of it all still keeps my interest.

315 When you're the living embodiment of the Salt Peter Test Tube Baby Principle, depression tends to come quickly.

apply fify liberally avoiding contact with eyes.

316

The priests are great and take the faith seriously. Our pastor is a canon lawyer so he's very much in line with doctrine and at the same time is a very gentle man. There's a really good balance there. Our parochial vicar is a younger guy who is extremely reverent but manages to avd being stuffy.

Sounds like you're in my parish.  LOL.

The younger parochial vicar has the best homilies.  Theologically rich, but still really practical.  The older PV has a sense of humor as dry as kindling and it shows every week.  He was my daughter's baptism sponsor (Godfather) and he comes to pick her up and hold her before every mass, just like it was his kid.

The Pastor is, unfortunately, a rabid Packers fan.  But we don't hold that against him.

317

FRIDAY, BABY!

Good morning, good people.

  Being retired means that Friday is simply another day of idyllic ease, to be savored like a fine wine. Hope that helps.

Owning your own business means that Friday means there are only two more days to do this week's paperwork. 

On the other hand, I've hired three people this month.  I've created more jobs than the President. 

318 There is one sin that can't be forgiven I thought, but it is pretty specific and even then there are loopholes.

The Bible says that "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the only unforgivable sin- but I've always learned (and my reading of the Bible seems to back up) that the problem there is that true Blasphemy (claiming to be God, or to be greater than God) is a condition which won't allow you to repent, not that God won't forgive you, but that you won't ask.  Once you're no longer doing that, of course, you could receive forgiveness, but the Sin itself is one that tends to go on, as opposed to, say, a lie, or murder, or something that is more "done and over."

319

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 16, 2011 10:22 AM (8y9MW)

I've read Mere Christianity about 5 times now.  If you like Lewis, go pick up some G.K. Chesterton.  You'll love him.  Start with Heterodoxy and then Orthodoxy.

 

320 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 16, 2011 10:17 AM (ZDUD4)

This.

321 Enjoying the religion and philosophy discussion. Good stuffs folks.

322

He wants to wrestle, take judo, and is a swimmer.  His goal has been to be in the Coast Guard since he was 5 or so.  I am trying to talk him into playing football like I did, but he doesn't like blindside contact.

 

Lacrosse is awesome. It's a contact sport and rising in popularity. My boys all play football and lacrosse. They dropped soccer or kickball as they call it because it was all the skateboarders, potheads, and lawn fairies.

Let me caution you about wrestling. I had two boys wrestle until I said "NO MORE". It was great to teach them how not to EVER be afraid and be able to drop anyone who has not wrestled especially all the *snort* karate, judo, martial arts wusses. However, wrestling is a filthy, dangerous sport. The mats they wrestle on are covered with more diseases than a Singapore whore. Here are the diseases and injuries we had to deal with because of wrestling and I'm not including dehydration, malnutrition, low blood sugar, etc from "making weight"

Wrestling warts, impetigo, ring worm, damaged ears, bacterial skin infections (4) of undetermined type, a broken elbow requiring surgery, MRSA, other staff, a PICC line to administer intraveneous antibiotics to the heart to combat the MRSA, broken ankle requiring 6 screws and a plate, busted lips, black eyes, and potential encephelitis.

Football is far far safer (esp because of the helmet--no helmet in basketball or soccer).

Start them young so they know how to play by middle school--it's the noobies that get hurt.

323 Biden is in town surveying the flood damage.

He just mentioned he's from Scranton.

I blame him for my alcoholism -- he's got me drinking shots at 10:25 in the morning.

324 316 Bevel,

Suicide is in His perception not ours.  I got into a very interesting discussion with a friend who is devout about whether the jumpers on 9/11 were suicides.  I think not, they were not voluntarily in harm's way initiated by themselves and may have in a way simply been surrendering to their faith and destiny.

As I said earlier I believe in miracles, I also believe they are rare enough they merit the definition of "not common enough events to be called everyday".

If I were to believe God had anything to do with that horrible day it would be that we didn't suffer more dead, and that he steeled the spines of the men of flight 93 to do right in protecting their brothers and sisters regardless of cost.

Like I said it's personal and how we make peace with fate, choice, and destiny.

Sorry I rambled on so.

325 @232: My sister-in-law's family attends a Lutheran - Missouri Synod church. Their minister tools around in a Lexus. I'm not one that demands clergy live in poverty, but it's heartening that the Synod has finally settled the question, Did Jesus Own His Robe? Apparantly, he did. And it was the most expensive one in the store!

326 Why is it so hard to find a conservative church? 
I would accept almost any denomination (raised Presbyterian US), but I can't seem to find any that have a biblical message as their primary aim.
Wife and I have pretty much given up on the search.

327

There is one sin that can't be forgiven I thought, but it is pretty specific and even then there are loopholes.

I'd go find the cite in the Catechism, I know it's in there.  But, I am lazy right now.

 

328

I'm not one that demands clergy live in poverty, but it's heartening that the Synod has finally settled the question, Did Jesus Own His Robe?

Apparantly, he did. And it was the most expensive one in the store!

I'm not demanding poverty - merely prudence.

The E class Mercedes violates that precept.

329 Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 16, 2011 10:31 AM (sbV1u)

You know, you filthy Papists have some of the coolest words.  We Church of Christ goobs can't even call our Sanctuary a "Sanctuary."

As one of my brothers once asked: "Why is it that everyone else calls their meeting hall a 'Sanctuary' but treats it like an auditorium, but we insist on calling ours an 'Auditorium' but treat it like a sanctuary?"

330 Wednesday night I taught a two hour class on "The existence of God" to a record breaking RCIA class of 30. I spent 20 minutes on CS Lewis' "The Problem of Pain". This is going to be a great year. They were so engaged, I almost whooped. Last year, no one came but crash test dummies even when I resorted to slapstick.....

331 Wow, Tom Ridge endorsed Huntsman! He probably was taken with the way Huntsman looked so Level Orange during the first debate.

332 331 Hrothgar,

in part because the Church feels the need to dabble in the secular to stay relevant....

I like my Churches as apolitical as possible because the conflation of Faith the Church strives for and the greed and cunning in the Secular political world do not mix well.

Keep looking, and failing that slowly strip a decent Church of our secular fascinations through your voice and get them focused back on the Clerical and genuine service to community without secular overtones.

333

As one of my brothers once asked: "Why is it that everyone else calls their meeting hall a 'Sanctuary' but treats it like an auditorium, but we insist on calling ours an 'Auditorium' but treat it like a sanctuary?"

We mackerel snappers picked up all the cool terms from Latin.  They're ours now, keep your mitts off.  ;-)

334 335 Dagny,

Good, I don't trust myself enough to teach anything but a philosophical inquiry on that matter.  The pain one can cause when people voluntarily come to you for data on the faith terrifies me.  I suspect as our adversity grows people will take refuge in the flock.

It is vital we have good people introducing or reintroducing them to absolution and service.

335 336 CC, RiNOs dig oompa-loompas buddy

336 Suicide is in His perception not ours.  I got into a very interesting discussion with a friend who is devout about whether the jumpers on 9/11 were suicides.  I think not, they were not voluntarily in harm's way initiated by themselves and may have in a way simply been surrendering to their faith and destiny.

Sorry I rambled on so.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 16, 2011 10:28 AM (AEIYh)

Good points, but actually I was referring to blasphemy against the spirit, which Jesus says cannot be forgiven.  In terms of suicide I think that's one only God can sort out. 

Sean Bannion was correct upon study - the Catechism does allow the sin to be forgiven, it is considered 'unforgivable' for the reasons AllenG described.

Always good to learn something new.

337

It is vital we have good people introducing or reintroducing them to absolution and service.

 

truer words, have never been spoken.

338

sven,

I would never excuse a priest calling your son a bastard.  Where he was coming from was the fact that the Church does not recognize your marraige because it was performed outside of the Church. Since the Church does not regard you and your wife as being married, this priest concluded that your child was born out of wedlock.

I'm not making any judgements, I am only providing insight as to where the priest was coming from. Clearly the priest could have handled that situation with more care.

 

 

339 331 Why is it so hard to find a conservative church?
I would accept almost any denomination (raised Presbyterian US), but I can't seem to find any that have a biblical message as their primary aim.
Wife and I have pretty much given up on the search.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 16, 2011 10:31 AM (i3+c5)

Can I put in a good word for my denomination, the Presbyterian Chruch of America? Very gospel-centered, very education-oriented (faith and reason are mutually dependent, after all), very little social gospel crap.

340 I had a Hemi-Colectomy and small intestine resection after a Surgeon perforated my bowel during a colonoscopy and didn't say anything about it.

So, what's it like being Executive Vice President and part-owner of a hospital?

341 Posted by: Hrothgar at September 16, 2011 10:31 AM (i3+c5)

Look for (in the South) a Church of Christ (note: NOT United Church of Christ, or Church of Christ, United).  In the North, look for a Christian Church (yes, that'll be their name).

The Stone/Campbell movement that eventually became those two denominations was started by Presbyterians in the mid-to-late 1700s.  Most of the Presbyterian trappings are either gone or heavily modified (as I understand it) but much of the theology is the same.

CofC and the CC used to be proof-positive of conservatism (in religion), but it's less sure now.  You have have to visit a few congregations before you find one.

342

Good, I don't trust myself enough to teach anything but a philosophical inquiry on that matter.  The pain one can cause when people voluntarily come to you for data on the faith terrifies me.  I suspect as our adversity grows people will take refuge in the flock.

I researched the hell out of the whole faith for 16 years before I submitted. I am probably the biggest intellectual skeptic out there. I was dragged into opening my mind long enough to look at it by just the presense of our current pastor. He's a saint and would never agree to that. I'm his disciple.

As I told my class the other night: the pastor and I differ on (a specific point). You should go with him.

343

Since the Church does not regard you and your wife as being married, this priest concluded that your child was born out of wedlock.

The priest was wrong.  The Catholic Church recognizes the validity of all civil marriages - including the legitimacy of the resulting children.

What the Church would ask though, is that people "co-validate" civil marriages in the Church.

When my wife heard that she said, "Another wedding?  Sign me up."  ;-)

But that did NOT mean, my daughter was illegitimate because we had not been married in the Church at that point.. 

How a priest can make it all the way through seminary and not know all this, is completely beyond me.

344 Spent some time in ministry positions. The one quality I cherish most now when discussing faith and doctrine is humility.

345 343 Spiker, Oh I know, I went through the "will you marry us" routine. We chose our drunken judge to not offend her mom. It worked. Had I detected even the hint unspoken of "but I will be thrilled to marry you," in his delivery I would have fainted from joy. My reaction was the glint in his eye and the fact he seemed almost dismissive of the wife's interest. I am not proud of my (over)reaction, but I also have not looked back and felt the need to go through the doors again. My son has a purer more earnest faith in the word than I ever did, and his mother is a better shepherd to that innate faith than I could ever be. I have always had a little too much of Thomas in me.

346

Moreover, he denied any forgiveness at all, and as the Catechism would point out, there is no sin so serious that it cannot be forgiven in the Church.

 

 

Sean,

Was forgiveness sought?  We don't know that.  The Church doesn't just forgive sins because they are sins.  The sinner must seek absolution with a penitent heart.

347

 He's a saint and would never agree to that. I'm his disciple.

Posted by: dagny at September 16, 2011 10:45 AM (MtBk+)

You catch the article on Fr. Cregan at World Youth Day in the last Arlington Catholic Herald?

348

My dad was Church of Christ (Cambellite). My Great great grandfather was an early minister. It's funny because I have a guy in my catholic RCIA class whom I just met with the same name as my g-g- Church of Christ minister ancestor.

I didn't convert till my dad died. He would have not been happy and I didn't have the 16 years to convince him that it took me.

349

The sinner must seek absolution with a penitent heart.

True.  Absolutely true.  But as described, the way sven put it, the priest didn't even ask.  He just blurted that out.

And regardless, it wasn't a sin.

350 348 Sean bannion, I suspect desperation on the part of the Church is part of it. At any rate the issue was generated by a man, not the faith itself. He was 67 if he was 50 and perhaps he gives great service in many ways but that day was a devestating one to me as a husband and follower.

351

sven,

I'm proud of you and I am glad things worked out for the best for your family.

352

And I agree, most denominations/sects of Christianity have far more in common, yet we seem to focus on the differences. Even far more in common with Judaism than we sometimes realize.

353

I suspect desperation on the part of the Church is part of it. At any rate the issue was generated by a man, not the faith itself. He was 67 if he was 50 and perhaps he gives great service in many ways but that day was a devestating one to me as a husband and follower.

If he lost you, and he has, it was not great service.

But I'd also go on to point out, it's not about the man at the altar, it about the man on the Cross.

354 357

And I agree, most denominations/sects of Christianity have far more in common, yet we seem to focus on the differences. Even far more in common with Judaism than we sometimes realize.

Posted by: Honey Badger at September 16, 2011 10:50 AM (GvYeG)

Some of those differences are pretty important, though.

355 And I agree, most denominations/sects of Christianity have far more in common, yet we seem to focus on the differences. Even far more in common with Judaism than we sometimes realize.

That's because it's human nature to argue.  If I had to guess, I'd say its part our Pride and Selfishness: we want to be seen as "smarter" than the other guy (God knows that's my flaw.  One day I hope he (gently) teaches me humility).  If we focused on what we had in common, we wouldn't get to impress the other guy with our brilliance.  Conversations would go like this:

"Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior."
"Yup."
...
...
"Nice weather we're having."

356

352 Yeah. I told him that I was getting tired of reading in the press how "cute" he is.

There is a difference between being married and being sacramentally married. They recognize civil unions but not for sacrmental purposes. Your kid isn't "illigitimate" but you can't take communion, go to confession, be confirmed, etc.

357

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 16, 2011 10:53 AM (8y9MW)

Given our (fallen) human nature it would probably be more like:

 

"Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior."

 

"Yup."

...

...

 

"Nice weather we're having."

 

"Nice weather?!? Horseshit!  It's brutal!  How can you stand this humidity?!?  What? Are you some kind of mutant?"

 

358

Allen,

I have to confess I was one of those guys ...

 

 

359 354 Sean Bannion, Spiker has an interesting line of inquiry using old doctrine though. I have often wondered what the Catholic colonials who took on a native wife here in the colonies must have been put through by the Parish. The doctrine of innate bastardy through refusal to recognize non-conventional unions seems self-defeating for purposes of conversion to me. When I try to detach my faith from my scholarship with regards to the Church's expansion it has become apparent o me that the founders of the Church were very flexible in their civil law understanding in the early days. I suspect the evolution of the archaic doctrine espoused by some diehards had to do with the Church eventually controlling inheritance in the secular world. Would be fascinating to be able to go look at in person. It is a touchy subject to me anyway because my grandfather was a bastard from a time where that still carried hurtful meaning.

360 Some of those differences are pretty important, though.

Some of them are, but you'll notice (if you pay close enough attention) that even the degree of importance of the differences is one of the differences.  The Church of Christ (in as much as we have a single, set doctrine) says that Baptism (full immersion, no less) is required for salvation- most other denominations take a "Yes, but" approach to it.  When you get a CoC member and, say, a Methodist arguing about it, the Methodist will mostly say "meh."  If someone from the CoC and a Baptist start in on it, though, you might as well sell tickets.

What that tells me is that most of the differences are not as important as we think they are.  God wants our hearts, minds, souls, and strength.  There are specific things he spells out that he requires, but my Bible only has three commands actually given to Christians: Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy mind, all thy soul, and all thy strength.  Love thy neighbor as thyself.  Love each other as Jesus loved us.

If you're doing those things, I figure God will sort the rest out.

361 and the format on firefox is borked.... why do they insist on getting cute and screwing up two things for every one they fix?

362 The concept of the jewish mikvah (immersion/baptism) is a fascinating study ... the concept of being born from above ... born a new

363

But I'd also go on to point out, it's not about the man at the altar, it about the man on the Cross.

This is so important and I can't emphasize it enough. The "Church" is not the "church" in so many ways. You can't expect every priest, minister, lay minister, nun, teacher, etc to behave like Jesus. They are not. They are flawed.

I get up and teach from the catechism. I don't dare utter a word that doesn't have an imprimature because I am SO flawed. I can't even IMAGINE what would come out of my mouth if I didn't chain myself to revelation and Church approved text.

In fact the other night I was talking about the idea that one way we know there is a God because of  widespread moral law (this is in the catechism). A guy (who I'm gonna like) mentioned the islamists. I almost choked trying to get through a reply that didn't include my own inclinations in that area.

364

Sean,

I am not going to go up against your knowledge and education on these matters.  I know when I am out of my league.  LOL.  I only had my own personal experience to go from.  Thanks for educating all of us.

365

Posted by: dagny at September 16, 2011 11:02 AM (MtBk+)

In fact the other night I was talking about the idea that one way we know there is a God because of  widespread moral law (this is in the catechism). A guy (who I'm gonna like) mentioned the islamists. I almost choked trying to get through a reply that didn't include my own inclinations in that area.

That would have been hard for me.  Good you held yourself back.  I think my answer would have been, "Yes, that's proof of God.  It's not proof they are correct in their view.  One step at a time..."

I'd like to audit your RCIA class.  Sounds great to be surrounded by enthusiasm.

 

366

The doctrine of innate bastardy through refusal to recognize non-conventional unions seems self-defeating for purposes of conversion to me.

Huh. The Church always wanted to just regularize the union. They call it validating it. They would only not validate it if there was an impediment--impediments included and still include, prior marriages, unwillingness or coersion on the part of one of the people, non-baptism, the refusal to have children or to raise them catholic. Now they will even wed a non-baptized person and a catholic but it creeps them out. The marriage is then valid for the catholic but not sacramental. If any couple approached the church and said, we need to be married, I doubt it ever said, "we refuse" without a good reason.

367

I am not going to go up against your knowledge and education on these matters.  I know when I am out of my league.

I assure you that an MA in Theology and $3.00 will still not get me a latte at Starbucks.  There's too much to know, the Magisterium is almost too deep to know in a lifetime.

But I know that priest was wrong dammit!  ;-)

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Posted by: dagny at September 16, 2011 10:54 AM (MtBk+)

 

Thank you, dagny, for clearing that up. 

That squares with my conversion story.  I could not recieve the sacraments until my marraige to my ex-wife was annulled because she was a catholic and failed to marry me in a Catholic Church.  I was not Catholic at the time.

I basically had to "clear the slate" before I could take communion.  That included receiving a conditional baptism because we were not sure my initial non-Catholic baptism included the words "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." 

369

the Magisterium is almost too deep to know in a lifetime.

 

That is so true.  And we haven't even touched the lives of the Saints!  LOL!

370 372 Sean, your words bring to mind the thought ... "I desire mercy, not sacrifice ... "

371 371 Dagny,

I guess my point in "refusal" is running out of the gate with the harsh stare about it over history.  Of course the Church wants you married within the faith and always would have, but to use that particular hammer so forcefully to get people there?  It wasn't even needed the wife and I had said when we married that the Judge's marriage was simply our "first wedding" and that at some point we would be married by a Priest or Pastor for our own state of mind.

I may have not waited long enough for him to smile a beaming smile and say "but we'll take care of that."  I was younger and a lot more hotheaded in the nineties.  The religion talk just got me to reflecting back on it, and as Sean said at a minimum he expressed current doctrine so inartfully it may as well have been 180 from current thought.

372 371 Dagny,

anyway I hope I was the only person to either get the bad data from him or mistake his delivery...

373

But I'd also go on to point out, it's not about the man at the altar, it about the man on the Cross.

 

This is why the Catholic Church moves their priests around.  They want to prevent "priest worship". 

374 375 Honey Badger,

and therein lays one of the powers of the faith and why we took Rome over time....

375

I was younger and a lot more hotheaded in the nineties. 

Oh Dude, I hear you.  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

My confirmation name is "Augustine" for a reason.

"God grant me chastity and temperance, but not just yet." - St. Augustine.

376 366 and the format on firefox is borked.... why do they insist on getting cute and screwing up two things for every one they fix?

Look at it this way: It could be much worse, e.g., IE9.

377 The mystery of it all still keeps my interest. -sven

I like the ecumenical approach John Paul II lent our pilgrimage through life as Christians. "Mutual respect is a prerequisite for authentic ecumenism. (154)." It's fascinating to appreciate the cultural distinctions of the various Christianities, and to consider the historical events and personalities that effected such schisms in order to monopolize "truth" (stumbling blocks). "I think that it is wrong to maintain that Saint Thomas's position stands up only in the realm of the rational. Saint Thomas celebrates all the richness and complexity of each created being, and especially of the human being. It is not good that his thought has been set aside in the post-conciliar period; he continues, in fact, to be the master of philosophical and theological universalism. In this context, his quinque viae--that is his 'five ways' that lead toward a response to the question 'An Deus sit?'--should be read. (31)." "Truth, in fact, cannot be confined. Truth is for one and for all. And if this truth comes about through love, then it becomes even more universal (162)." Crossing the Threshold of Hope, 1994.

Interestingly, the Coptic Christians firm doctrine separates church and state based upon Jesus' admonition to give to Caesar what's his and unto God that which is God's. And of course the massive annihilation (literally given Constantine's Legions) of any Christian sect believing in anything that Rome found threatening to it's monopoly on power, having merged church with state for empirical theocracy, killing every heretic who dare think according to his own conscience, faith and beliefs -- no matter scripture so easily revised by the "victors" of war. There's a brief video highlighting the book of the same name Constantine's Sword that makes interesting historical observations by a former Catholic Priest, James Carroll, a National Book Award winner and columnist for the Boston Globe and still a practicing Catholic. And of the Coptics, those indigenous Egyptians who predate the Muslim conversion, they are being annihilated today no thanks to America's foreign policy. The same fate of annihilation enabled by US foreign policy besets the indigenous Christians throughout vast quadrants of the globe, from the Balkans and Near East through Arabia, Egypt and Africa.

Considering their fate, Pope John Paul II spoke of all the Christian martyrs throughout the globe. "They have completed in their death as martyrs the redemptive sufferings of Christ and, at the same time, they have become the foundation of a new world, a new Europe, and a new civilization (177)." In search of lost unity: "So there is a basis for dialogue and for the growth of unity, a growth that should occur at the same rate at which we are able to overcome our divisions--divisions that to a great degree result from the idea that one can have a monopoly on truth (147)." Of the validity of "proof", "Cognitive realism, both so-called naive realism and critical realism, agrees that 'nothing is in the intellect that was not first in the senses'. Nevertheless, the limits of these 'senses' are not exclusively sensory. We know, in fact, that man not only knows colors, tones, and forms; he also knows objects globally--for example, not only all the parts that comprise the object 'man' but also man in himself (yes, man as a person). He knows, therefore, extrasensory truths, or, in other words, the transempirical. In addition, it is not possible to affirm that when something is transempirical it ceases to be empirical. It is therefore possible to speak from a solid foundation about human experience, moral experience, or religious experience. ... Inasmuch as positivism distances us--and, in a certain sense, excludes us--from a more global understanding, hermeneutics, which explores the meaning of symbolic language, permits us that more global understanding, and even, in some sense, to deepen it (33-35)." Crossing the Threshold of Hope, 1994.

378 Note well the distinction between hermeneutics and revisionism.

"Words, just words."
Orwellian Newspeak

379 MY DOG HAS CREATED MORE SHOVEL READY JOBS THAN OBAMA

380 There is water falling from the sky here in Texas.  Been so many months I forgot what the word is we have for that.

381 And naturally being Texas it can't just rain.  Thunder, lightning, high winds, and small hail.  This is ridiculous, where can I go to get weather that is more like earth?

382 No Ace, that's not something. Go back to your Zima and your Mani-Pedi.

383 Ace, Ace, Ace...Of course it's something darling! Now, you lay your furry little head down, (while It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again). And let "Buffalo Bill" make it all better. XOXO

384

Extreme amount of cuteness and geekiness--kitteh and light saber!  http://tinyurl.com/43w4psr

385 http://www.enorthfacejackets.com/