September 09, 2011
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Huge power outage in Southern California
Apparently this outage was caused by failure of a power line from Arizona to CA. The West coast has significant power problems caused by two things. First California has become the NIMBY of NIMBY States and does not generate enough electricity to supply its needs even during days when demand is low. So they bring in power from out of State.
This line was AZ and probably being fed because they have those evil plants at Palo Verde that CA does not want. When the power being carried by a single line like that nears capacity or exceeds it for an extended period of time, it WILL fail. And that brings on the second major problem.
The Western power grid is called “The Great Western Doughnut”. Most of the country is just a spider web of interconnections. Because of the Rocky Mountains the West has a big doughnut shaped grid. Failures anywhere in their grid causes ripples which circle the grid causing cascading failures at a rate higher than in other parts of the country.
The solution, like almost all grid problems, involves building more local power plants for both steady state base load and for spinning reserves when any one major power source is lost. Too bad CA has neither of those.
If the economy wasnÂ’t in such a mess right now we would be seeing a lot more of these blackouts and not just in CA. This is because base load is controlled by factories and major businesses in operation, not the type of fraking light bulbs you may have one or two burning in your house.
So all of you watermelon eco-tard CA commies, eat those damn CFL light bulbs and shit some power. Otherwise welcome to the dark.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:04 AM (M9Ie6)
Caution; NYT link:
And here is one of those eco-tard watermelon commies; Google
They use 260MW of power continuously.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:04 AM (M9Ie6)
As expected, Obama's jobs rhetoric is more of the same shit
President Barack ObamaÂ’s $450 billion economic proposal unveiled Thursday night is a familiar medley of targeted tax cuts and spending programs, coupled with a promise of future spending cuts and a demand for new taxes on companies and wealthier individuals.
So it is $450M, about half of the first porkulous.
However, he did not detail his proposal to fund the $450 billion cost of the plan. The details will be released September 19, he said.
The word prior to the speech was that it would be funded after he left office by our old “friend – unspecified spending cuts down the road and his cousin, revenue enhancements”.
The president presented himself as a fiscal moderate, and the champion of ordinary Americans.
Another claim so outrageous it screams to world; why is the press not mocking this lying idiot?
Next week, the administration will send Congress the draft legislative language needed to debate and pass the jobs act, said Jay Carney, the White HouseÂ’s spokesman.
So we get to the heart of this call for a joint session of congress. It is nothing more than a political grandstanding kabuki theater designed to give him more ammunition to attack Republicans. This is truly unprecedented.
This is what you get when you do not have free press.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:06 AM (M9Ie6)
Talk about stuff that is so obvious it shouldn't considered news!
Nikki Haley will not endorse Jon Huntsman. One wonders why the Democrat PR rag even printed this story. It is not news and it will not hurt Nikki Haley.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:07 AM (M9Ie6)
Interesting article on ridiculous DWS advertisement strawman on support for more pork
BTW, the cost of the Hoover damn in 1931 dollars was $50M. That is about $710M in today’s money, or about ¾ of the total porkulous-I spending bill which did little or nothing for infrastructure.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:07 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Gerbil Malodor, the Skin flutist at September 09, 2011 03:08 AM (Ta/+T)
David, you stupid asshole, it was the same fucking speech,.
Posted by: mugiwara at September 09, 2011 03:11 AM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 03:11 AM (RKzwg)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:12 AM (M9Ie6)
According to that same newspaper he was very negative about it. Playing to the home crowd maybe?
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:14 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 03:18 AM (RKzwg)
..."the champion of ordinary Americans."
I promise you disss, dattt, and the other ting. - King Putt
Posted by: Case at September 09, 2011 03:20 AM (FD6YW)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Tea Party SOB at September 09, 2011 03:22 AM (d0Tfm)
The Teton Basin Project
At a House subcommittee hearing on August 5, 1976, Congressman Leo J. Ryan, of California, described the Teton Dam failure as "one of the most colossal and dramatic failures in our national history."(1) The dam's collapse was the first in the Bureau of Reclamation's nearly seventy-five year history. Eleven lives were attributed to the tragedy.(2) The dam failure cost millions of dollars in damages, and led to increased attention placed on dam safety by Reclamation and other Federal dam building agencies.
Now of course, the greenies are advocating tearing down the ones we have. They interfere with nature or some such rot.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 03:23 AM (ENKCw)
Gimme Stimulus Mulligan's Mulligan and I promise not to raise your taxes if you earn less than...(thank you, Romney, for augmenting my campaign '08 pledge).
/can ya tell when I write my own great speeches?
Posted by: Circus Preacher Baroque O'More-ah at September 09, 2011 03:25 AM (lpWVn)
Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?
What else do you expect him to do? In fact, what the hell else can he do? Babbling about unformulated plans and basking in the adoration of the multitudes (after they are carefully screened to ensure maximum suckage) is all the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure knows how to do.
In that line, a scan of the NY Slimes's headlines (no need to read; the headlines and subheads give enough info) today reveals a total reversion to full-on Osama Obama worship. He Has Saved Us! David Brooks is capable of erections again, and the editorial board is producing enough drool to fill Lake Michigan.
I'm beginning to think we are in for another four years of stuttering clusterf***ery. The Traitor-in-Chief will simply never be judged by the laws that affect the rest of us.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 09, 2011 03:27 AM (YjjrR)
The last major damn project was by the TVA. It was shutdown by eco-tard litigation using the stupid snail darter.
Thank you eco-commie Democrat congress who made this type of ludicrous shit possible
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:27 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Plymouthmom at September 09, 2011 03:28 AM (O/5X6)
Posted by: Brian Williams at September 09, 2011 03:30 AM (nGQQE)
OK, the Post office can go bankrupt now. Evolution has filled their ecological niche:
Amazon Testing Locker System That Lets You Pick Up Package At 7-11
For some of us with day jobs getting a delivery from Amazon can be a bit of a pain. You can't have the delivery driver leave the package outside, which means you wait in line at the post office or UPS or FedEx depot to pick it up. But according to reports, Amazon is about set to test a new system that would deliver packages to a locker inside your local 7-11 store.
When the package is actually delivered, the customer receives an email notification along with a bar code to his smartphone and heads to the 7-Eleven. There he'll stand in front of the locker system, which looks like the offspring between an ATM machine and a safety deposit box. The machine will scan the bar code on his handset to receive a PIN number. He'll punch that PIN number and retrieve the package.
Consumerist
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2011 03:32 AM (EeYDk)
Nikki Haley will not endorse Jon Huntsman.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 07:07 AM (M9Ie6)
Any word on Will Folks' views on the matter?
Posted by: No Whining at September 09, 2011 03:32 AM (wX3Af)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 03:32 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 03:33 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:33 AM (AEIYh)
David, you stupid asshole, it was the same fucking speech,.
Posted by: mugiwara at September 09, 2011 07:11 AM (KI/Ch)
Obama could take a steaming shit on Gregory's kitchen table and he'd love it. He'd probably roll around in it like a dog. Gregory is the worst of the partisan hack MFM all rolled into one lurching monkey faced pile of fail.
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 09, 2011 03:34 AM (nGQQE)
Posted by: No Whining at September 09, 2011 07:32 AM (wX3Af)
What is funny is that SOB hasn't been heard from since the primary. Makes one wonder doesn't it?
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:35 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:35 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 07:33 AM (Fw2Gg)
The article I read didn't mention that. It is possible, but it would be extremely rare. I'll see if I can find out more.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:36 AM (M9Ie6)
Did they actually get to the pouring concrete part of the plan on the TVA dam? I was going on memory on the Teton project being the last to be attempted as in pouring concrete.
It's been about the same length of time since a new nuclear reactor was proposed, licensed and built. All the ones we have are nearing the end of their life cycles; they provide around 20% of our electricity.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 03:36 AM (ENKCw)
38 On the radio this am they are saying that the power outage was the result of an employee making a "mistake" at a substation?
That's one big SCOAMF of a mistake! I'm not a fire can't melt steel there was no airplane type. But wouldn't a f-up like that seem to be intentional? I know zippo about the system. But it's not like the guy just hit the off switch apparently.
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 09, 2011 03:38 AM (nGQQE)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 09, 2011 03:39 AM (Fo83G)
That is possible, but a total blackout will not be caused by a single point failure in any location unless the system is already dangerously overloaded.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:42 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 03:42 AM (6djgu)
No longer content to turn the other cheek about what he calls an “increase in public nudity” in the Castro neighborhood he represents, San Francisco Supervisor Scott Wiener1 said that he plans to introduce a measure to make such behavior more “sanitary.”
WienerÂ’s proposal would not outlaw the practice of "dropping trou" on the streets of San Francisco, but would rather require so-called naturists to be a little more respectful of othersÂ’ hygiene concerns.
If the measure is passed, naked people who are out and about would be required to place something between their posteriors and public seating before alighting. And they would also be required to wear clothing in restaurants.
"San Francisco is a liberal and tolerant city, and we pride ourselves on that fact," Wiener said in a written statement. "Yet, while we have a variety of views about public nudity, we can all agree that when you sit down naked, you should cover the seat, and that you should cover up when you go into a food establishment."
Hate crime! Hands off our bodies Mr. Bush!
1. Wiener? For cereal?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2011 03:42 AM (EeYDk)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 03:42 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Case at September 09, 2011 03:43 AM (FD6YW)
I don't remember if they got that far or not. But there are a couple of utilities that are building new nukes now.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:44 AM (M9Ie6)
Gee.. one of his speech writers found him a catchy line to keep repeating.. I'm sure saying it 20 times of so will convince Boehner to do just that.. what a fucking moron (and not in the good sense).
When I heard "teachers and firemen" I stopped listening.. more pork for his union buddies back in the states..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 09, 2011 03:44 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 03:44 AM (6djgu)
Ryan was the Congressman killed by Jim Jone's goons? Sad.
In America today, we have gone from 'can do' to 'can sue'.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 03:44 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 03:44 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:45 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 03:45 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: David Gergen at September 09, 2011 03:45 AM (STTZD)
The scene that comes to mind is the guy from the movie "Airplane" pulling the extension cord on the runway lights just as their landing. "Just Kidding".
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 09, 2011 03:47 AM (nGQQE)
I had not heard that. Actually that is good, but imagine an act of congress to get around that today.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:48 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:49 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: lowandslow at September 09, 2011 03:49 AM (GZitp)
Last night in the ONT I threatened to go postal on someone, then explained that in today's world that meant going broke.
Going postal just doesn't have the zing of nutso any more.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 03:49 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: small town girl at September 09, 2011 03:50 AM (dlvSM)
Why do they insist on ruining classics?
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:51 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 09, 2011 03:51 AM (nGQQE)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at September 09, 2011 03:52 AM (j84s0)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 07:45 AM (Fw2Gg)
No, they have actually commenced building. Issuing a license to operate in one of the last stages from the NRC.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:52 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 03:52 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: dogfish at September 09, 2011 03:53 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 09, 2011 03:55 AM (ZDUD4)
Gnubreed, so much confidence in earth-filled dams, temporary fixtures at best.
The early 20th-Century initial Reclamation "Minidoka Project" traditional concrete dam system on the Snake River survived Idaho's Teton "Dam" earth-berm failure, though Sugar City, Rexburg, and every town in the flood were washed away. The Teton Dam melted under the running water pressure before it was completed. Blessing in disguise? Had there been more water in that reservoir at the time of collapse and flooding, the dams down hill wouldn't have managed, drained or not, more water than arrived.
Initiated in 1969, responsibility for the plans rest in the Nixon-Ford administrations, partnered with Knudsen-Morrison awarded the construction contract.
So much for surveys and studies in advance, given a priori policy bias to build no matter. Study of the dam's environment and structure placed blame on the collapse on the permeable loess soil used in the core and on fissured (cracked) rhyolite in the foundations of the dam that allowed water to seep under the dam.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 03:55 AM (lpWVn)
The International Longshore and Warehouse Union believes it has the right to work at the facility, but the company has hired a contractor that's staffing a workforce of other union laborers.
Geesh. They still get their thug on when it's other union workers. Shock I know. Somone should take these sons a bitches out!!
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 09, 2011 03:55 AM (nGQQE)
He looked paler during his speech Thur. Was is lighting? Fear? Moochelle's eating all the food?
Maybe he's been hitting the ole crack pipe?
Maybe he had some "darkening" done before the election to boost his "street cred/African heritage" and it's just now wearing off.
He spends so much time on the golf course, he should be darker.
Posted by: I don't know WHO I am anymore at September 09, 2011 03:56 AM (iniPz)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:56 AM (M9Ie6)
it is almost as though there was something called a market, but that this market thing was stuck behind a wall a wall marked "regulation" with a thunderstorm called "litigatory potential" hindering progress or something.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:57 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 03:57 AM (M9Ie6)
exactly which is why it is not going to happen....
California decided this was its destiny a LONG, long time ago they were warned they went anyway....
CALIFORNIA taking its population back to the stone age one razor cut at a time.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 03:58 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: California Unicorn at September 09, 2011 04:02 AM (i3+c5)
I saw that shit coming a long time ago. I had a conversation with an eco-tard up in the mountains one evening. We were talking about nukes and generation in general and he was opposed to both. He was a nice guy and otherwise rational, but was totally brainwashed on energy needs.
I left CA in 1977.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:03 AM (M9Ie6)
Netflix has a treasure trove of foreign flicks to augment Hollywood's library.
I was interested that as recently as 1970, law and order & crime doesn't pay was the message of a classic French flick. Incidentally, it shows France's roads filled with American automobiles. The only French cars were municipal purchases for the police.
Le Cercle Rouge (The Red Circle), 1970
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 04:04 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 09, 2011 04:04 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 09, 2011 04:06 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 09, 2011 04:07 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:08 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 09, 2011 04:08 AM (eOXTH)
"Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress disapproves of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit, as exercised pursuant to the certification under section 3101A(a) of title 31, United States Code."
Welcome to another $500 bn of NEW debt going into the Zero's stash.
I can hardly wait for the "super duper committee" to screw us over! This is what always happens when you give natural born criminals a license to steal.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 09, 2011 04:09 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:11 AM (ZDUD4)
Apparently David Brooks was opining in the NYT this morning that Obama "has earned a second date".
Sounds like somebody got a reach around.
Posted by: Nash Rambler at September 09, 2011 04:12 AM (/Cz3M)
Did you follow that link I posted. There are 4 sites actually under construction.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:14 AM (M9Ie6)
A pox on the Senate, this was defeated (45 to 52) last night.
Rep Nays:
Brown (R-MA)
Corker (R-TN)
Dem Ayes:
Nelson (D-NE)
Not Voting
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Rubio (R-FL)
Webb (D-VA)
Well, Rubio is certainly acting like a Vice President....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2011 04:14 AM (EeYDk)
On August 18, 2011, the TVA board of directors approved the completion of Bellefonte Nuclear Plant Unit 1 in Hollywood, Alabama. When it begins commercial operation between 2018 and 2020, the 1,260 megawatt reactor will be the largest in TVA's nuclear fleet. Bellefonte's output will be equal to the electricity needs of 750,000 homes, and its power will cost less than most other energy alternatives.
You would not believe the hoops TVA has had to jump through to get this far. And this was "fast tracked".
Posted by: Case at September 09, 2011 04:16 AM (FD6YW)
Indeed....I think I saw another trillion dollars go *poof* last night....if I did bambi is going to eclipse Bush's too high spending over 8 years in 4 and the newsies will NEVER tell the low information voter.
Oh and remember the van Jones Kerfluffle from two years back about the 30 billion dollar non Congressionally Oversighted "green jobs slush fund"?
Yeah he was entwined with Solyndra, I think Barry's little Red buddies left a paper trail Holder is trying to burn.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:18 AM (AEIYh)
Yes, and Webb isn't running for re-election so he could have shown some balls (although he hasn't shown any during his term so far) and voted against this.
Rubio and Corker are disappointments, but especially Rubio. Guess he is learning the no paper trail trick from the Zero!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 09, 2011 04:21 AM (i3+c5)
It's brooks....Pantload and Piggy noonan if she gets swoony over her husky man child are indicative that the kool-aid works but let's not lose sight of the fact that you only get your cherry popped once....
Boehner is going to put as much of the Roadmap in a non renamed passing of the American Blowj*b Bill and try to aikido Harry and barry into not passing the bill they'll be whining over....
this is all just kabuki
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:21 AM (AEIYh)
Jim Webb isn't against Barry and harry he just doesn't want sent home against his will.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:22 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:22 AM (ZDUD4)
just wait until more gangwalker stuff comes up or are we to believe that of all the Metro areas in the US to play this game the Feds chose Indy metro alone?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:23 AM (AEIYh)
Anyone that doesn't think a lot of Zero cronies did well from Solyndra (and that is one of the few we have learned about) needs to spend more time on AoS. A lot more time!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 09, 2011 04:24 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 04:25 AM (RKzwg)
Posted by: small town girl at September 09, 2011 04:25 AM (dlvSM)
As for the collapse being caused by a single switching error here is an analogy that may help you understand that.
Imagine a lawn sprinkler system all cross-connected with 3 feeder lines from wells supplying 10 gpm max flow each. Each sprinkler head will use ½ gpm at minimum system pressure. In order to supply the minimum flow, the sprinkler heads require 30 psi pressure head. That minimum pressure is reached when total flow in the system reaches 30 gpm.
There are 100 sprinkler heads in the system so if one attempts to place all of them in service at the same time the system will exceed maximum available flow and it will collapse. All the heads and the supply lines are remotely controlled from a panel inside a house nearby.
The system is in service with 60 heads in service flowing 30 gpm at 30 psi. The operator in the house as a mimic panel that represents the heads and supply lines with labeled switched for each one. He is in the process of switching off one head in order to place a different head in service as he is rotating the area of the lawn to be watered. He reaches down to close off head 1-3A but instead grabs switch 2-3A which close the supply header from well 3. This causes the supply to be immediately be reduced to two wells which can not supply the current load and the entire system collapses when pressure goes below 30 psi.Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:25 AM (M9Ie6)
Another worth seeing is from Russia. 9th Company (9 Rota), 2005
If it's a survival drama set in Spain, I recommend Goya's Ghosts, 2006.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 04:25 AM (lpWVn)
Well the speech did all it was hoped to do: target republicans as stingy and give dems campaign ammunition either way it goes. Never did understand how hiring more teachers and union stooges is going to do anything but lower our productivity. Just sayin.
So it was a complete non-event, except the MSM were so excited they had some make believe high drama to cover. They looked like they were ready to orgasm on air. Jeebus - I do so wish we had a free and diverse press in this country. What a bunch of butt lickers.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 09, 2011 04:27 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 04:28 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: small town girl at September 09, 2011 04:28 AM (dlvSM)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:28 AM (ZDUD4)
OK, maybe I was misreading the chart. I was looking at the list above the "subtotal label" The 4 I was reading as under construction are "planned".
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:29 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:31 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 09, 2011 04:31 AM (6IV8T)
One candidate taught Brian that fake compassion isn't worth supporting.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 04:33 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:34 AM (M9Ie6)
"What kind of country would this be if this chamber had voted down Social Security or Medicare?"
Umm... solvent?
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 04:36 AM (OITDh)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:37 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 04:37 AM (Fw2Gg)
the nature of the beast the trick is adding enough poison pills you get your agenda as speaker passed to the degree you can.
The newsies will do everything in their power to get some wind behind Bambi's sails and they may get his # as high as 42% but it is too far out and he can't keep going to the pork cannon for "stimulus"....
if anything he just made it easier on the republican candidate to mock his wreckoveries.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:37 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Case at September 09, 2011 04:39 AM (FD6YW)
You can't expect them to call Harry on his zeal in running after taxes can you?
The taxes are why the thing won't work and is another defacto slush fund/union sop....
all they're doing is sprinting the US towards Athens
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:39 AM (AEIYh)
Sir Golfsalot is planning on YOU wrapping your head around the Flintstones being "high tech"....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:40 AM (AEIYh)
So all of you watermelon eco-tard CA commies, eat those damn CFL light bulbs and shit some power. Otherwise welcome to the dark.
Posted by: VicLOL. Welcome back, Vic.
Posted by: Retread at September 09, 2011 04:40 AM (btEUN)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 08:34 AM (M9Ie6)
I guess Chrissie finally got all the sand out of his vag from Newt's mean comments about his comrades in the MFM. Maybe he used his red diaper.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 04:40 AM (RKzwg)
And I will give the Obamanites some credit. The energy bill they passed did have a provision to reimburse utilities if excessive delays are caused by eco-tard litigation. That more than anything spurred new construction.
What would have been better would have been to limit the ability of the eco-tards to do serial litigation.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:40 AM (M9Ie6)
So all of you watermelon eco-tard CA commies, eat those damn CFL light bulbs and shit some power. Otherwise welcome to the dark.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (M9Ie6)
Well said.
Are you familiar with those self-contained power reactors that supposedly will be on the market in a few years? That's what I want in my back yard. I'll sell power to my whole town!
I am an IMBY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 04:41 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2011 08:14 AM (EeYDk)
Rubio's mother has suffered several strokes recently, so he was away from Washington and with her. Hence his absence from the vote.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 09, 2011 04:42 AM (4df7R)
Well if SSDI didn't exist then at least half the professional criminal class claiming disability wouldn't have government cash to start their drug businesses and buy weapons. The welfare queens cranking out broods of check children would have far less cash on hand from having their children declared 'disabled' too.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 09, 2011 04:42 AM (ijjAe)
nah it's a win win they sucker in new litigant bait to build, their lawyer buddies and special interests raid the investors and the companies and the investors raid the taxpayer....
in other words this whole charade is aimed at the taxpayer.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:42 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 04:43 AM (Fw2Gg)
Yeah, I did some research on them last year when someone on the ONT brought them up. From what I saw they are not very cost effective and even their proposed saving depend on the NRC doing some shit in the licensing process that they have NEVER done in the past.
I just don't see that happening.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:44 AM (M9Ie6)
SS and Medicare are a nice 17% drain on the wage potential of the US.....
the wage potential is lost investment capital potential.....
the almost 1/5th of the worker's pay runs two half assed programs that get thrown in the general fund and are now going to eat up 15-45% of the tax base since they are overloading.....
none of this is a bug it was a feature of the system.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:45 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 09, 2011 04:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 09, 2011 04:46 AM (ijjAe)
Deja vu, voters expressed worries that they don't trust Obama, that they're afraid of an Obama administration. McCain assured them "Obama is a decent person, a decent family man, a person you don't need to be scared of being President."
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 04:46 AM (lpWVn)
best hedge is a tiered staggered independent grid with wind, solar, and a LNG/Propane genny feeding your battery farm....
the main problem with that is the hazmat potential of a bank of yacht batteries.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:46 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 04:47 AM (ZDUD4)
Albert and Isaac are playing a game. Isaac is standing on the Earth while Albert zooms by in a spaceship at 99% the speed of light, during which he shows Isaac a one-meter stick and a ten kilogram bowling ball he has stashed on board the ship; he also displays a poster in a window of the ship for one minute as he goes by.
From Isaac's perspective, how long does Albert's one-meter stick appear to be, how much does the bowling ball weigh, and how long was Albert's poster displayed?
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 04:47 AM (mh8Iu)
but Mark Steyn is filling in for him so that should be just about as fun.
Thank god for Steyn. Some of the others are too awful.
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 04:48 AM (6djgu)
Ah contrair, there have many of those extensions issued. In fact CBD and I were discussing NJ shutting down their pant even after a license extension was granted a few months ago.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:48 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 08:40 AM (M9Ie6)
Limit the trial lawyers' ability to fleece every fucking body in this country? Oh Vic, you're such a kidder.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 04:50 AM (RKzwg)
Perry's Presidential Moment
You mean, you didn't watch the debate to learn Brian Williams' opinion?
Posted by: franksalterego at September 09, 2011 04:50 AM (7/sDI)
Thank god for Steyn. Some of the others are too awful.
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 08:48 AM (6djgu)
I'd much rather listen to Steyn than Rush
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 04:50 AM (RKzwg)
none of this is a bug it was a feature of the system.
Considered how economically illiterate Democrats are from drinking the Marx kool-aid, I don't think any of them realize there needs to be an actual productive tax base to pay for all the largess. The difference between labor and productive labor is NEVER understood by these idiots.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 09, 2011 04:51 AM (ijjAe)
Supplying the grid from banks of batteries fed from windmills and solar panels would require 250% of the land area be covered with batteries, windmills, and solar panels.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:51 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 04:51 AM (Fw2Gg)
sorry wasn't clear I am talking about personal use screw the people who elected these pieces of shit neo-luddites....
there simply is no national solution to maintain current consumption and meet the restrictions the ecotards are putting on production let alone transmission....
people who can afford it need to save themselves.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 04:54 AM (AEIYh)
Let's look at best-case: Obama loses, his replacement is a gung-ho nuke proponent.
It will take 7-10 years for the first new design to push its first electron.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 04:54 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: cantankerous at September 09, 2011 04:55 AM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 04:55 AM (mh8Iu)
Police called after man butchers cow in his driveway
LINK
Posted by: mrp at September 09, 2011 04:56 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Count de Monet, Sons of Bitches Martyrs Brigade at September 09, 2011 04:56 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 04:57 AM (8y9MW)
I don't know about 250%, but after a week of cloudy weather with no wind, they'll be in the dark.
And we just had that exact weather, so it's not like it never happens.
Math is a bitch, and even Obama can't repeal it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 04:57 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Connielu at September 09, 2011 04:58 AM (i0aCV)
Morning, y'all.
I want to laugh at the bumper sticker at Legal Insurrection, but I have a horrible feeling that the owner is serious.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 04:59 AM (XdlcF)
That chart is calling for some of those new ones much sooner than that. Of course delays can happen but the Watts Bar one is slanted to go on next year. I don't think it will be delayed that long.
The grain of salt in the whole is not the EPA for the nukes. It is the NRC, keeping in mind that the current head is an old minion of Ed Markey, the biggest eco-tard idiot in congress and certified nuke hater.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 04:59 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Blaster at September 09, 2011 04:59 AM (Fw2Gg)
You use super capacitors instead of batteries and drill several hundred feet down into the earth to hold them vertically like underground skyscrapers. The ground itself acts an insulator, assuming the right geological conditions. Of course this will never happen because the greens are against any form of drilling period.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 09, 2011 04:59 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Connielu at September 09, 2011 05:00 AM (i0aCV)
Perhaps a young, new VP with no personal network of political alliances could be left simply posing for media pictures and visiting dignitaries. And putting a promising young good looking Quayle into the VP cut Dan's elected political career to the quick. (Maybe Quayle preferred leaving public office.)
When it comes to getting a professional ring leader in Congress fighting on the President's behalf to accomplish an agenda, Newt shouldn't be overlooked just because we know his warts and all. One thing about Newt, give him an agenda and he does the job come hell or high water. On transparency, though, keep him in a glass house.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:00 AM (lpWVn)
Yikes ... thanks Russia! We'll have to be sure to revisit that whole Eastern Europe thing when we get another Republican in the White House. Apparently they have too much time on their hands.
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 05:00 AM (mh8Iu)
Pretty much. The MFM are falling over themselves to proclaim that tthe "Obama Comeback" is on, while the sane among us knew what the speech would be and watched football.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 09, 2011 05:00 AM (dIHHd)
250% was a grab, hell it would collapse the first night even if there were no clouds.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:00 AM (M9Ie6)
why?
I mean it is like Bachmann's little drama last night screwing up no-selling his reiterated laundry list....
I am especially charmed that little Sarahcuda's "union brothers and sisters" up in Wash state are now in the kidnapping and illegal detainment business without facing prosecution.....
Sarah has potential to be a Schlafley, but she is not going to be President until she stops the rockstar nonsense and rebuilds her resume.
I was one of her biggest fans here in '08 last year and much of this but at the end of the day unless she embraces a role of kingmaker and subtle influencer for a while she is just generating noise and something for the M$M to point at.
The notions put forth are not unique to her, and seem sensible but the press jihad against her anytime she is a threat and the lack of a position of resume authority means she is no more able to mount a decent defense of her position than Janeane Gorillafella on MSNBC and Olberdouche can take down Limbaugh. Had she hopped in even two months ago I'd be lobbying back home in ohio trying to stir up primary votes but she waited too long. I feel the same way about Coulter's little bowling ball Christie by the way.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:01 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Blaster at September 09, 2011 05:02 AM (Fw2Gg)
Here's the link to DC local radio WMAL conservative talk. I love Chris Plante. He's about to descimate Obama's speech. I promise you will enjoy it, he's the best thing on radio.
http://tinyurl.com/6hll7o
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 05:03 AM (6djgu)
What would the price of a Hoover Dam be once the EPA, Sierra Club, and the courts review and condemn the construction plan?
Posted by: Jimmah at September 09, 2011 05:03 AM (F13r2)
Yes. As a matter of fact that one in NJ was issued during this term. But one must keep in mind that it takes years to do the work for those license extensions.
My old plant got one and it took a damn long time and a LOT of work.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:03 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 08:47 AM (mh8Iu)
1. I was told there would be no math
2. There's a huge flaw in your query. Assuming Isaac is looking at Albert zooming by at .99c, he'd never see him. Albert would have to be well inside in the athmosphere to see a 1m stick. Between athmospheric friction and the gravity well, Albert would be very dead. If Albert stayed outside the athmosphere, Isaac wouldn't be able to see him with the naked eye. If Isaac used a telescope or other light-gathering/magnification took, that would skew the result.
3. You have a spaceship that goes .99c and you're playing games with meter-long yardsticks and bowling balls? What kind of retard are you?
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 05:04 AM (OITDh)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 05:04 AM (ZDUD4)
Yeah, I don't think you realize how massive an undertaking that would be.
Consider that, to run a house for about an hour, even with most super capacitors (withing current technological limits) it would take a 9000 cu. ft. (not actually as big as it seems) "battery" (capacitor, really) to run a house for about an hour. (Those numbers may be off slightly, they were back-of-the-napkin numbers from my engineer uncle).
For all practical purposes, Wind and Solar will never be more than supplemental energy providers. They actually work fairly well on a relatively small scale- homes, for instance, if you can afford the cost of entry and the conditions at your residence happen to be just right.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:04 AM (8y9MW)
Judge Warns Union, Stop the Nonsense Bitches!
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 09, 2011 07:46 AM (Lt/Za)
Nothin a few taser grenades, followed by a barrage of tear gas and cattle prods, cant fix
Posted by: Red Shirt at September 09, 2011 05:05 AM (FIDMq)
it happens the EC/EF birds are extremely vulnerable to EW themselves if you nail them with the right pulse.....
the fact that they almost did the same thing back in '09 tells me we're getting way too complacent and predictable....
don't worry nothing will be done about it and the TV news will not report on it except once maybe in passing....it would hurt the Boy King reminding people that even with his "gutsy call" bullshit he is weak on projection/defense of US power.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:05 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 09:00 AM (M9Ie6)
I ran the numbers a few years ago for my house. I think I can get a few days worth of storage for about $20k worth of batteries.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 05:06 AM (LH6ir)
Patterico's:
Mel Gibson is making an epic about Judah Maccabee, one of the greatest warriors in ancient Jewish history who routed the Seleucid Empire in the 2nd century BCE.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 05:06 AM (XdlcF)
AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 09:04 AM (8y9MW)
so 9000 cf capacitor runs a house for an hour, install 24 said capacitors, and you no longer need 'lectric from the grid!
/Barkynomics
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 05:07 AM (OITDh)
oddly I agree...the RoKs go out of their way to hate and blame us for their not being part of the north until they are in their 40s...
I say "let the kids get their way"....
58 years is long enough
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:07 AM (AEIYh)
One drone with a Hellfire would fix this problem.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 05:07 AM (LH6ir)
Would $20K worth of lead-acid batteries fit in the yard? Assuming $40 per battery that would be 500 batteries.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:10 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:10 AM (8y9MW)
you can....the thing is you have to be savage about your HVAC solution and it in all likelihood would be best to use a geothermal heat pump/sink like Dubya the most GREEN PotUS in his personal life in modern times does.....
hell were a person so inclined they can install a LNG/Propane feed to their refrigeration solution and reduce their consumption by a good margin....
throw in a cistern using reflective paint/black paint to regulate ambient temperature and you can reduce the necessity for a huge water heating solution....
it can be done, but it is neither cheap nor portable.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:10 AM (AEIYh)
yup.....
I think having a few kamikaze missions with drones filling the old wild weasel role would be a wise investment of resources....
I also think that we should be researching submersible drone aircraft carriers for just such missions.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:11 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Blaster at September 09, 2011 05:12 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:12 AM (M9Ie6)
9000 cf is roughly 20' on each side. put into perspective, it's roughly four 40' shipping containers/semitrailers (2360 sf each.)
So with only 48 semi-trailers of starage capacitors, you can power the house for 12 hours.
Wouldn't it just be simpler to burn coal?
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 05:13 AM (OITDh)
Ewwwww. Who is listening to NPR? They creep me out because of that soft (you're in an insane asylum) tone.
And my local affiliate is even worse. The tone is so buttery it drips. If I say anything about it, like how smarmy and hollow it sounds, I get smacked by my wife.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 09, 2011 05:14 AM (4sQwu)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 09, 2011 05:16 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 05:16 AM (ZDUD4)
Look if the American people knew Sarah the politician who tried to slay the corrupt GOP establishment in AK they'd love her....
they don't and because she allowed mcCain to package her as Caribou barbie, and is now Sarah MILF rockstar! they won't unless she is patient enough to take the time to teach them who she is and slowly bend the GOP to her will like Schlafley did through Reagan.
She did not become Sarah the successful reformer in Alaska overnight either, I donate to her pac, and had she thrown her hat in earlier I'd be donating to her campaign but she didn't and I have moved on this cycle. What she does have the potential to do is help push someone over the finish line and grant some RiNO squish like Romney some conservative cover and I hope she does....
because if she somehow screws things up in what looks like an ego exercise and gets Barry reelected by splitting the party ala Bob Barr I am done with her and I am not alone in feeling that way.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:17 AM (AEIYh)
Looked in on the KosKids. They have had mass bannings (30+) this week by the chief dickhead hisself. 36 others had their ability-to-rate-comments privileges revoked.
Ironically, he called it "The Great Purge of 2011." These marxists-socialist idjits sure like their purges, pogroms, and final solutions, don't they?
Posted by: Count de Monet, Sons of Bitches Martyrs Brigade at September 09, 2011 05:17 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: The Maine Sisters at September 09, 2011 05:18 AM (d04ac)
"Comrade Stalin wouldn't it be easier just to let the Kulaks go back to running our farms well?"
//Ukraine in the '30s
Dude they don't care about your need or your wants they care about the Sierra Club and Goreons
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:18 AM (AEIYh)
and yeah I agree the Tina fey hatchet job and taking 3 years to barely lay a glove on Bambi is part of why I love political "entertainers"....
Ace would like Sarah if she were being sarah the reformer....Blaster she's not she is live action roleplaying some weird hannah montana! dual identity thing
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:20 AM (AEIYh)
1. I was told there would be no math
2. There's a huge flaw in your query. Assuming Isaac is looking at Albert zooming by at .99c, he'd never see him. Albert would have to be well inside in the athmosphere to see a 1m stick. Between athmospheric friction and the gravity well, Albert would be very dead. If Albert stayed outside the athmosphere, Isaac wouldn't be able to see him with the naked eye. If Isaac used a telescope or other light-gathering/magnification took, that would skew the result.
3. You have a spaceship that goes .99c and you're playing games with meter-long yardsticks and bowling balls? What kind of retard are you?
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 09:04 AM (OITDh)
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1. The answers require no calculations.
2. Looking for problems in the setup of a physics questions seldom improves your chance of solving it.
3. What else am I going to do with it, create green jobs? We don't have a space program any more!
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 05:22 AM (mh8Iu)
How long before a movie exposing Mel Gibson's last wife's indiscretions is released (names changed to "protect the innocent") ?
Amazing settlement, that, when the dust settled.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:22 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Blaster at September 09, 2011 05:22 AM (Fw2Gg)
Report: Turkey, Egypt to hold joint military exercises
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 09, 2011 05:25 AM (c0A3e)
I'm not....
I am discussing banking enough power to run my minimal IT solution and lowest end power needs off a combo battery dump/LGN or propane genny with the mini-grid set up to backfill battery storage in a jam with the genny.....
people who are not argaming reducing their consumption to the bone if bambi gets reelected and has no check on his desires had better get it through their heads he WILL destroy coal and coal is currently 45% and climbing of energy production.....
cost will skyrocket and I am mostly certain we will not have enough of that expensive power anyway......
I am learning to embrace my tablet and droid as a serious casual IT solution.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:25 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 05:26 AM (mh8Iu)
Interesting archaeology find reported (link to Yahoo News). Man, it sure would be nice if they could somehow find remains with DNA material in them.
Also, I think I found an explanation for some of our "concerned independent" interlopers (link to Wired)!
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 05:27 AM (5H6zj)
It's something that power-geeks/material science geeks think about from time-to-time. The elec. engineers mostly think it's silly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:27 AM (8y9MW)
I really don't get this line of logic. There's a reason why there's a date by which somebody has to declare and that hasn't happened yet. Imo, the campaign season is far too fucking long and I think the length is as demeaning to the public as the SCoaMF is to the office of the President. This perpetual campaign season seems designed to provide the fuckheads in the MFM with easy talking points.
For the record, at this point I'd rather she rid the Repuke party of the grifters and shitheads like Rove and his ilk, that keep ace supplied with bullshit about "electability" and candidates like McCain.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 05:28 AM (RKzwg)
no I am analyzing the best way for her to get to where her path leads....
right now she is on pace to become John Anderson or Ross Perot with a better rack....
ie someone so wrapped up in hurting the GOP "bad guys" that they attempt to enable a democrat win....well we survived Perot's temper tantrum the stakes are higher and people now it right now.
a serious political thinker does not have a campaign bus tour while not on campaign with all the hoopla involved, her in and out coy game of will I or won't I burned up my trust and goodwill towards her....
if she were a serious force she'd have been quietly cultivating state cointacts of like minded middle party officials....
instead she was on TV doing a "MTV Real World" set in the arctic.....
no Blaster I am a fan of the woman whose run for governor almost had me tell the wife to take an assignment to Ft. Wainwright.....
I am not a fan of Tina Fey's slightly smarter doppleganger.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:30 AM (AEIYh)
I calculated 250 deep discharge marine batteries @ $80.
.75ft2 x 250 = 187.5ft2
And that doesn't take into account the room necessary for maintenance, etc.
Oh, the $20k doesn't include cabling and controls. It probably will work out to almost $30k.
What a joke. Nuclear power, coal and NG is the answer to a question that we don't even need to ask!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 05:31 AM (LH6ir)
Good morning, morons.
I haven't been here a long time but I have enjoyed it. Many of you know I have been unemployed and broke for a while. So I wanted to let you know that yesterday I finally got a job, and a good one. It is almost miraculous. In fact, I got a second almost-offer right after the first one came in. Crazy. This has been a hard slog for me, but now I feel like I can do anything! I still have a credit report in tatters that will take time to repair, a lot of debt to dig out of, and two kids to get through college, but now I know I will be able to do that. Somehow my marriage survived this and I didn't kill anyone, though I sure thought about it a few times. ;-)
I will be working for a bank, one of the good ones that did not take any TARP money or do any subprime loans or crazy stuff. Amazingly it is the only major bank that is based in my area, so I will not have to move, though I will have an hour commute. I will be helping this bank deal with all the Dodd-Frank nonsense and some CRA stuff. I took a 25% pay cut from my last fulltime job, and that kinda sucks, but I am lucky to have gotten this job and I am not going to complain about the money. Besides, I have become so thrifty now that it will feel like I am back to my old salary.
If anyone needs advice on looking for a job, I have a ton of it. Hit me up on the Yahoo group. I worked with a recruiter on this job and he was fantastic.
I start Monday so y'all won't be seeing me as much around here, but I love each and every one of you and wish you all the best.
Posted by: rockmom at September 09, 2011 05:31 AM (lSyyU)
I have been saying for a long time that "electability" is a self-fulfilling BS term used to advance an agenda unless you are talking about some fringe nutcase that is so far outside of the mainstream that less than 1% of the population would support them even after knowing all about them.
prime example are the likes of David Dukes.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Some of Sarah Palin's Ideas Cross the Political Divide (NYT blog) LINK
But something curious happened when Ms. Palin strode onto the stage last weekend at a Tea Party event in Indianola, Iowa. Along with her familiar and predictable swipes at President Barack Obama and the “far left,” she delivered a devastating indictment of the entire U.S. political establishment — left, right and center — and pointed toward a way of transcending the presently unbridgeable political divide.
Posted by: mrp at September 09, 2011 05:32 AM (HjPtV)
Congratulations. My daughter just got a new job with a bank after being laid off twice before, but she has a 45 min commute.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:34 AM (M9Ie6)
I am holding her to that standard because if you're a dark horse be a dark horse....
the only way she can kick the moneychangers out of temple is to have the force of the party middle leadership behind her.....
that is how Newt, DeLay, and Boehner did it in '91-'92 over the house Bank where the old guard GOP leadership was willing to trade giving the donks a pass to protect 2 or 3 dirty republicans.....
her behavior strikes me as someone who thinks they are going to be crowned "the saviour" when they are already a damaged brand who will have a terribly hard drive no matter what.....
I just don't see her as being serious enough about cultivating a base of allies at the mid state level enough to be a serious reformer or power broker....
I wish I did.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:35 AM (AEIYh)
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Let me guess: Johnny Depp? Does Chaz Bono get the role of the Charles Deetz?
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 05:35 AM (5H6zj)
Wouldn't it just be simpler to burn coal?
Posted by: Chuck Z at September 09, 2011 09:13 AM (OITDh)
Occam says:
YES!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 09, 2011 05:35 AM (LH6ir)
I think al-NYT is trying to sow dissension in our ranks with faint praise.....
they are using her to attack the GOP taking the hit it gives dems because they know they cover the dems' sins better than the GOPs as a shield.....
we're already going over it but thanks for the excerpt being put up here
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:36 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 05:38 AM (RKzwg)
Given the plight of his own constituents, Lloyd Doggett (D) is joining the chorus of Texan officials being given Obama's deaf ear.
Obama postponed his pet EPA regulations as if to exonerate himself from any onus to extinguish the wildfire state of emergency. It's as if Obama considers wildfires as a source of energy. Why burn coal when he can burn Texas?
Given all the speeches Obama makes, no mention of Texas except some pork for his friend representing Houston, Sheila Jackson Lee. As if she needs more fat in her diet. But anything to insure her "One Voice" allegiance, and her re-election. Whatever federal funds are directed to highway construction get spent along the way before any roadwork is laid. How many "under construction" shovel-ready highway signs will clog Houston freeway shoulders for how many years until the pork's all gone with nothing but gluttony to show for it's consumption? It isn't as if the new pork will convert any of TXDOT's tollroads into non-toll freeways. More likely, any new construction on present highways will convert them into the exorbitant tollroads TXDOT already imposes on travelers.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:38 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 09, 2011 05:38 AM (eOXTH)
and I agree the 'electability" thing is hype by the middle wing to grab more power than their numbers in the party merit....
that said Sarah's flaws on electability are real enough I am afraid that some GOP to Barry crossover voters would shun her....
my sister and sister in law crossed over because "I can't trust sarah palin to be President" last cycle....
retarded? yup
media driven regurgitation of an Ezra Klein founded Jlist propogated meme?
Yup
does it really matter?
Nope....we need to win this one bad.....too bad to lose nobly "doing the right thing" for a young candidate that can get her chance later and needs her resume built anyway.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:39 AM (AEIYh)
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Let me guess: Johnny Depp? Does Chaz Bono get the role of the Charles Deetz?
Here's an idea for Hollyweird - how about they set about remaking every movie ever made? That's what they are doing anyway, so why don't they dispense with any pretense of originality and just publicly announce this endeavor?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 09, 2011 05:40 AM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 09, 2011 09:37 AM (UOM4
Apparently fellatio is an excellent cure for summer colds.
With the appropriate cajoling, I am sure that your husband would be happy to help!
Posted by: Typical perverted moron at September 09, 2011 05:40 AM (LH6ir)
congrats....don't be a stranger once you are in full swing....at least check in I am happy for you.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:40 AM (AEIYh)
The problem with that is that the columnist obviously hasn't been listening for the last two years. That's what just about everybody in the Tea Party movement has been saying (and some have been saying even longer than that).
Let's sum up the points:
1) We shouldn't have an Aristocracy ruling over us- For Government to be "of the people" it has to be made up of regular working folks.
2) Business != Capitalism. A big business that uses its size and wealth to gain competitive advantage via legislation is not capitalism.
3) The "enemy" is not Democrats as such (for Tea Partiers), it's a big, unaccountable government and their corporate vassals.
This wouldn't be news if they'd actually been listening.
However, for someone late to the party, it wasn't bad.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:41 AM (8y9MW)
indeed...Newt laid the groundwork for the K street crap which was unfortunate.
I'd back Newt in a heartbeat if I didn't know that his personal life would be like a drunk hobo on a pogo stick in a minefield fodder for the press and late night dorks.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:43 AM (AEIYh)
*summer colds suck ass.....feel miserable.....pity party for one*
Yeh, we're passing one around right now. Thankfully, each of the boys has only felt rotten for about 1 day.
Hang in there!
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 05:43 AM (XdlcF)
Congrats, rockmom!
I'm looking at starting up a job hunt again soon and I must say I am not looking forward to it at all.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 05:43 AM (VtjlW)
the reason a higher % of donks are reformers enemy is that the donks are addicted to the money the big media/govt/crony corp model provides to playb with and they worship the state....
there are several GOPers who come to mind as well
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:44 AM (AEIYh)
Get well soon Jane. I'm told brown liquor mixed with honey is good.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:45 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 05:45 AM (mjR67)
First: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Second: Lloyd Doggett is a snake in man's clothing.
Third: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Fourth: That's okay, it's why we have the rainy-day fund (as much as it sucks that they take our taxes for FEMA, and then we don't actually get Federal Emergency assistance).
Firth: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:45 AM (8y9MW)
I agree. I was just saying that it's not being a Democrat which makes them an enemy, its the fact that they're corrupt cronyists that makes them our enemies. As you says, corrupt cronyists are more likely to be Democrats, but we've got a few in the GOP, too.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:47 AM (8y9MW)
Ironically, he called it "The Great Purge of 2011." These marxists-socialist idjits sure like their purges, pogroms, and final solutions, don't they?
Posted by: Count de Monet, Sons of Bitches Martyrs Brigade at September 09, 2011 09:17 AM (4q5tP)
That's because they're so open minded and tolerant
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 09, 2011 05:47 AM (1Jaio)
all bambi is doing is making it easier for Texas to tell Obama to go f**k himself if he tries to force you into the stone age with EPA....
IF/when that day ever comes I'll be with Texas...
I was born in Ohio, but Tx is my second home in the lower 48
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:48 AM (AEIYh)
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Why does "professional advisors" follow from what I said? (Assuming that by that term you mean folks like Weaver)
I was actually thinking more along the lines of some evidence of her listening to folks like Dick Cheney or Fred Thompson. But I do think she needs to bag the folks on her team who keep advising her to respond every time some third-rate celebrity or a potential political rival makes a snide remark. And I think it's damned clear that hagiographic books and movies, not to mention bus tours, have not done a single thing to make her more acceptable to a broader cross-section of voters.
Whether or not she'd need "professionals" or merely folks who work more professionally (as true advisors and not fans) is a minor question. Right now her entourage is closer to Ruby Rhod's (super green!) than what you might want to see in the WH.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 05:48 AM (5H6zj)
I'd back Newt in a heartbeat if I didn't know that his personal life would be like a drunk hobo on a pogo stick in a minefield fodder for the press and late night dorks.
...a perfect Washington fit.
The point remains, the others don't have his ability as VP to "make" the case in Congress on behalf of the president's agenda.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:48 AM (lpWVn)
zinc! that will kill it....
Cold Eeze, baby. I've got mild cold symptoms but it's not getting worse.
Unless it's just allergies and the actual cold will hit tomorrow...
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 05:48 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: CanaDave 'You can have my Gibson when you pry it out of my cold dead fingers' at September 09, 2011 05:49 AM (T3vxL)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 05:50 AM (Fw2Gg)
Congrats, Rockmom!
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 09, 2011 05:50 AM (6IV8T)
The snark is so thick, it almost reads like it was written by a Moron.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:50 AM (8y9MW)
So all of you watermelon eco-tard CA commies, eat those damn CFL light bulbs and shit some power. Otherwise welcome to the dark.
Heh! Heh! And keep off Vic's grass!
It's great to see you back! And sounding like your old self!
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 05:50 AM (0fUOB)
well I mock him here....and I know he is less than beloved but Boehner would be a good PotUS or Veep....
I just wouldn't want to lose him in the house...
Boehner is not theatric but when he sets his mind to a task and sees the window of success he drops the hammer cold.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 05:50 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 09:45 AM (mjR67)
LOL, consider that even in areas not as power short as CA a deranged load dispatcher at a major utility could black out whole sections of the eastern seaboard.
This is one reason they NEVER stand watches alone.
The CA situation is more because CA is always on the brink of black out anyway.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 05:51 AM (M9Ie6)
I am continually amused by all the press folks who opine endlessly about how "Sarah Palin doesn't seem to be doing anything" right before she does something completely unexpected and garners days of coverage. You'd think folks would catch on after awhile and stop saying she isn't doing anything.
Every day that another currently-declared candidate does something dumb is another day that validates a strategy of waiting until the last possible moment to officially declare. Bachmann has faded. Perry had a poor national debate debut. Romney continues being flip-flop Mitt.
I'm not saying she will run. I hope she will. But if she does, events are validating a wait-and-see approach on her part.
Incidentally, to the point about caricatures of candidates being hard to overcome, why do none of the Perry folks seem to even acknowledge the difficulty Perry will have escaping being stereotyped as a less-articulate, even-more-puffed-up version of George W. Bush?
MCDNC did their best, with Romney's disgraceful but effective help, to paint Perry out-of-the-gate as Bush version 2.0, dumber and more "Texas-y." And he stepped right into the trap with his answers and general demeanor.
Why is Tina Fey a problem for Palin and Bush isn't a problem for Perry?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 05:51 AM (dcoFe)
There wasnÂ’t one single mention in a speech about jobs and economic stimulation that addressed the need for the energy necessary to support it
...
If Obama was serious about economic expansion, weÂ’d have heard a serious approach to domestic energy production last night. The fact that we didnÂ’t demonstrates ObamaÂ’s lack of depth in economics, perhaps even more than his retread of Porkulus did.
Ed at Hot Air.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 05:52 AM (XdlcF)
250.......That's what just about everybody in the Tea Party movement has been saying (and some have been saying even longer than that).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 09:41 AM (8y9MW)
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Yes, exactly. The sentiments embodied in the Tea Party are nothing new. Those sentiments are what got Reagan elected.
Ross Perot tapped into those anti-Washington sentiments in '92. But the fact that they were used to get Bill Clinton elected, made them go dormant for a while.....Not go away. Just go dormant, still simmering under the surface.
The tyranny of Obama brought them to the surface again. Critical mass was reached.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 05:53 AM (vKRHm)
I'm told brown liquor mixed with honey is good.
Try the Hungarian Hat Cure. Take a hat. Put it at the foot of the bed. Drink until you see two hats. It's not so much that it cures the cold as it is that you no longer care.
Why is Tina Fey a problem for Palin
Do you have any idea how many of my oh so intelligent friends I've had to tell that Sarah Palin did not actually say "I can see Russia from my house!"
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 05:55 AM (VtjlW)
You're back in form, Vic ;--)
Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2011 05:55 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 05:57 AM (lpWVn)
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First, you're asking the wrong people. None of the folks here, even those of us who have become disenchanted with Palin, factor Tina Fey per se into that rationale. I doubt most of us even watch Tina Fey. Some point out that it makes it harder for Palin to be taken seriously -- something she could have countered by getting a serious gig after she resigned, perhaps. But that's merely pointing out what most polls support about the broader public's view of Palin.
Second, who says Bush isn't a problem for Perry? Of course it is. That's why Rove is beating that drum and criticizing Perry for how he has tried to distance himself from Bush. The difference is, however, that Perry can make arguments based on what his is currently accomplishing, and what he has accomplished, to make the case he's not Bush. All Palin seems to do is point to her enthusiastic base of supporters to prove she's someone worthy to be taken seriously.
Palin has the same problem that Romney, Gingrich, or any of the "formers" have. She doesn't currently have a job, so her ability to counter is limited. Add to that that her last job was cut short by a scandal - whether manufactured or not - and it's a tougher hill to climb.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 05:57 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 09:55 AM (VtjlW)
To quote a rock band quite popular in the late 70's through the 90's: "Sad but true."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 05:57 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 06:00 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:01 AM (8y9MW)
Now classÂ… classÂ…
When are felonies not felonies – or even crimes?
A country of laws that only apply to those who our betters decide they apply to. YouÂ’ll find out.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 09, 2011 06:02 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Maxmbj at September 09, 2011 06:03 AM (deaac)
263.....IF/when that day ever comes I'll be with Texas...
I was born in Ohio, but Tx is my second home in the lower 48
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 09:48 AM (AEIYh)
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To paraphrase the SCoaMF:
'I will stand with Texas....should the political winds shift in a negative direction.'
Heh.
And yeah, Sven......Sarah's "union brothers and sisters" are embarrassing her, aren't they. Doesn't look like they are ready to put down their ball bats and sing Kymbayah with her.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 06:03 AM (vKRHm)
Honestly, what I do for a cold is deal with it. Advil and/or Tylenol (if there are aches and pains, or a fever), lots of liquids, and (for a bad enough cold) about one day of sleep.
Of course, that's what I do for the flu, too, except that instead of one day of sleep, I usually take two or three.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:03 AM (8y9MW)
bwahahaha
ok....
look I was one of the first 2000 people to donate to SarahPac....
I maxed out the wife and my donation allowance to McCain after he picked Sarah making it clear to the RNC it was ONLY because of Sarah and finally fed them some love too since I hated Steele.
Sarah Palin does not have 1/3d of Reagan's street cred to move the party that is my point. Reagan was a force and had a presence down to county level in every major state in the union by the time he was readying to leave being cali governor he never tried to alter the party overnight. He was not easily ridiculed because his political speeches and pieces were damn near bulletproof.
He cultivated political friendships and alliance taking advice from Milton Friedman, Hayek, and other stars of the Chicago school of economics. He crafted an alliance with the woman who slew radical feminism's constitutional overreach Phyllis Schlafly. He single handedly made the case for why Universal healthcare is intrinsically unAmerican and stopped it cold.
You are not hearing me.....
I want what works as a reform, not what doesn't.
What she does, how she does it is her business she will make her case and choices and I will follow or not what I do not need is a Glenn beck style professional crybaby who does not build the infrastructure to succeed in seeing a reform through.
That is a waste of her time and influence and it would be a waste of my geometrically less powerful time and influence.
If I wanted a beyond reproach, non-credentialed, media rockstar who wants to mouth feelgood platitudes and pretend reformer credibility on the national level I can run and join the pied piper's parade that is already there....
and be with the media labeled "cool kids".
She has to build the credibility to be a force, she wasted the last 9 months after she almost treed healthcare.
I give her credit she shone in spots, but she didn't seal the deal like Reagan did.
"moderates" and Conservatives who focus all their attention on flailing "reform" of the GOP alone elect democrats.....
ask Perot, RON PAUL111!!!, and bob Barr about it....throw in a game attempt by Patsy Buchanan as well.
You reform the GOP by cultivating silent political alliances within in it to force it to your will and then getting the voters to demand the party go your way.
She's forgetting to build the network within as well as without.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:03 AM (AEIYh)
Failure to report a felony or to enforce the law in itself is a felony as well. Misprision of felony.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:05 AM (M9Ie6)
Qui custodiet, as it were.
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
And without a known exception, all union leaders are evil.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:06 AM (8y9MW)
I start Monday so y'all won't be seeing me as much around here, but I love each and every one of you and wish you all the best.
Posted by: rockmom at September 09, 2011 09:31 AM (lSyyU)
Congratulations and well done!
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 06:06 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Chicago Voter at September 09, 2011 06:07 AM (Pir3k)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 06:08 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 10:01 AM (8y9MW)
During the Cold War they were very strategically valuable. That was a while ago...
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 06:08 AM (RKzwg)
(or at least that is what my mom complained about our schools).
But if the watchers are union and the watched or union, then nobody.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:09 AM (M9Ie6)
I start Monday so y'all won't be seeing me as much around here, but I love each and every one of you and wish you all the best.
Congrats, Rockmom!
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 06:10 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 06:10 AM (cbyrC)
heh. I was taught in a school system that refused to teach Latin (or Greek) because it was a dead white man's language!
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:11 AM (5H6zj)
A SIGN OF THE APOCOLYPSE!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!
NY Times writes favorable article about Palin
Some of Sarah Palin's Ideas Cross the Political Divide
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (OhYCU)
It is a serious problem that she has spent three years working on. As much as people like to diss her FB posts, she has a long virtual paper trail of serious, on-point, and effective policy articles published through that medium.
No other candidate has written that much over the last three years about so many different aspects of public policy. Nor as effectively. "Death panels," anyone? None of them.
The evidence is out there that she's been doing the work. Hong Kong, India, and Israel trips and speeches. South Korea in a few weeks. She's been hiding her policy chops in plain sight.
That is aside from all the other marketing of herself through the tv show, Fox gig, etc. The reality show especially was targeted to the exact people she speaks about in her speeches: middle and working class average Americans. Who do you think watches reality tv? There is a consistent theme to everything she has done over the last three years if you only open your eyes. She is specifically appealing through a variety of media to the very folks we always say we need, the so-called "Reagan Democrats."
I"m not saying it'll work. But things that seem random and disconnected when they occur often become clearer and obvious in hindsight.
I just don't think that Perry has done, or can do in the next 14 months, the kind of work Sarah Palin has obviously been doing over the last 3 years. She has worked for 3 years to beat back a stereotype of her that is completely manufactured and is only 3 years, to what degree of success is debatable.
Perry has 14 months to beat back a stereotype of Bush/Texas that has been around for over a decade. And he isn't trying to overcome the stereotype, he's embracing it. I just don't see that as a winning strategy in a country that still thinks that Bush started the problem that Obama has made exponentially worse.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (dcoFe)
Really? The MFM would do this? IÂ’m shocked! Ok, shocked is too strong of a word. Minutely wordless for a fleeting millisecond, like when I manage to kill a fly with a rolled up magazine.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (jx2j9)
Well, yes, but "strategically valuable" != ally.
Turkey has never been an ally to us except when it was convenient for them. We need to kick them out of NATO and stop providing any support (I presume we send them money- we do to everyone else). Then we need to send them the dreaded "strongly worded letter" that says "F*ck with Israel and we'll turn Istanbul into glass. Oh. And then we'll start calling it Constantinople, just because we can."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (Fw2Gg)
I think the original formulations did contain zinc.
Weird.
It has, according to the label, 13.3mg of zincum gluconicum. And the dilution is 2x, which is way different than most homeopathic crap. So they want people who believe in it to buy it and they want people who want actual zinc to buy it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 06:12 AM (XdlcF)
Barber shops are no longer allowed to use leeches because they are protected by the endangered specie act.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:13 AM (M9Ie6)
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks fell sharply at the open on Friday after sources told Reuters that European Central Bank Executive Board Member Juergen Stark would step down from his post because of a conflict over the central bank's bond buying program.
Oh yeah, that's the reason the market tanked. Everything was just soooooo hunky dorey before that
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 09, 2011 06:13 AM (1Jaio)
Yeah. But then they quit doing that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:13 AM (8y9MW)
even then they were of questionable utility...
there were projections that in the event of a limited war between Nato and the Warsaw Pact Turkey would use the main conflict as a distraction to allow her to attack Greece or vice versa.
Nato was a wobbly thing and I am glad it was never relied upon for serious defense needs...
I get the feeling it would have been a close run thing.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:14 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 09, 2011 06:14 AM (3zFBF)
But I DID have 4 years of Spanish!
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:14 AM (M9Ie6)
well....
it's not like there was a major speech by "the decider" on economics or anything right?
*sigh*
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:15 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Chicago Voter at September 09, 2011 06:15 AM (Pir3k)
Well, we can't consider the fact that maybe the markets are nervous about a plan presented by the Precedent that would add another half-trillion dollars to the deficit and that same Precedent's threat to demagogue anyone who dared disagree with him.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)
I hereby proclaim all dates post 2013 are A-SCOAMF, all before B-SCOAMF.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:16 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 06:17 AM (mh8Iu)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:17 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:18 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 09, 2011 06:20 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:21 AM (8y9MW)
It can be, if you've got pics to post.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:21 AM (8y9MW)
Yes, that's what I said. That's what a lot of people have been saying.
It is a serious problem that she has spent three years working on. As much as people like to diss her FB posts, she has a long virtual paper trail of serious, on-point, and effective policy articles published through that medium.
I submit to you that her strategy is not working. It's time for her to choose a new strategy. I think if she shook up her team and brought in some new ideas she might have more success.
Further, I do not want to risk losing to Obama by running someone who image rehabilitation is still a work in progress.
I just don't think that Perry has done, or can do in the next 14 months, the kind of work Sarah Palin has obviously been doing over the last 3 years. She has worked for 3 years to beat back a stereotype of her that is completely manufactured and is only 3 years, to what degree of success is debatable.
So I guess you're saying neither is electable. Palin, because she still has an image problem after three years and Perry because he has an image problem after three weeks.
Perry has 14 months to beat back a stereotype of Bush/Texas that has been around for over a decade. And he isn't trying to overcome the stereotype, he's embracing it.
That's simply not true. Perry was criticized by Rove this week for his remarks contrasting himself with Bush (by referencing their alma maters). Heck, I think it's possible Perry's own people released his A&M transcripts just to help solidify the difference between the two.
I also think it's an oversimplification - and inaccurate - to meld "Texas" with "George Bush." Bush's image was of a pampered guy who got into Yale and Harvard because of his family connections, not because of his intellect. That's really not the stereotypic Texan.
I think Perry is banking on the theory that people don't dislike Texans, per se, but rather the cartoon version of George W. Bush and the failures of his administration. That's why he is running as himself - a self-made, rugged individualist (including switching parties, incidentally) who has a focus on the most pressing domestic issues right now and has achieved results in Texas.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:22 AM (5H6zj)
Barber shops are no longer allowed to use leeches because they are protected by the endangered specie act.
F-ing A, bro.
Posted by: Endangered Barbers at September 09, 2011 06:23 AM (XdlcF)
I have a hard time singling them out for feeling that way. We haven't exactly bent over backwards to accommodate them as well: Support for the Kurds (which I agree with but it didn't make the Turks very happy) and political grandstanding by the donks over the Armenian genocide (I thought it was strange that the commiecrats concentrated on banging them over that). Friends of mine in Germany tell me that the immigrant Turks are very Westen oriented and about as far from the Wahabbi shitstains as you can find.
You're quite correct that the country has gone in the shitter over the past few years; I'm just pointing out that wasn't always the case.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 06:24 AM (RKzwg)
This dude has totally shot his wad. Rhetoric and flourish only works if the listeners buy in, and most of America simply isn't buying what he's selling.
So go on, run back into the arms of your buddies Barry ... the unions, the media, academia, the victims' groups ... you do that. But know this: the word on the street from 55-60% of America is fuck you, we're tired of your lies and bullshit.
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 06:24 AM (mh8Iu)
305....No other candidate has written that much over the last three years about so many different aspects of public policy. Nor as effectively. "Death panels," anyone? None of them.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 10:12 AM (dcoFe)
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Oh please.....The things that Sarah Palin has been saying are nothing 'original'; they were mined from the internet. They've been said by others in articles, on blogs and in blog posts...before she said them.
I am glad that she is reiterating those talking points, though....and bringing them to the attention of people who apparently only read Facebook.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 06:24 AM (vKRHm)
Good to see you back. I assume everything went well. Lot's of people were asking about you over the past days
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 06:24 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2011 06:24 AM (WkuV6)
Heh.
My local dc talk radio guy, Chris Plante, just called for lifting the concealed carry ban in DC for the weekend due to the heightened security threat so that americans can respond in real time to the islamists.
Loooove it
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2011 06:25 AM (6djgu)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 10:13 AM (M9Ie6)
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Only if taken internally!
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:25 AM (5H6zj)
Okay, to replace the worn out "Longbow vs Crossbow" argument, I suggest replacing it with "Battle Line v Skirmish. (Re: the Revolution and War of Northern Aggression)"
I'll start:
Skrimish tactics only work once you have semi-automatic weapons, or when fighting in relatively enclosed places. For colonists (or the Union or Confederacy) to attempt to use skirmish tactics in big battle would have been suicide.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 06:26 AM (cbyrC)
________
Don't know nothin' 'bout no maths, but if Albert has already accelerated to his 99% of speed of light, the bowling ball weighs nothing 'cause it's in freefall. Did you mean to ask how much mass it appears to have?
Posted by: Anachronda don't like trick questions at September 09, 2011 06:26 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:26 AM (Fw2Gg)
Needs to be redone.
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 10:17 AM (Fw2Gg)
Amen. Our so-called Allies in Europe must all be re-evaluated and their usefullness, and level of commitment, more honestly assessed. Germany and France and most of the other western continental nations are useless now. I'd keep Britain, Poland, and any others in the east that seem like reliable helpers in our struggle against Russia and the M.E.
I also think it's time to unleash Japan and encourage them to militarize as much as possible. In my opinion it was a shame we didn't work to be more accomodating of their expansion into China in the pre-WW2 period. We weren't really taking advantage of our Chinese holdings. Why not let Japan take over the headache? They could have spent their aggression on the asian mainland as we made $ selling them our scrap iron. Many mistakes have been made in the far east, which have left us with countless headaches. Putting that mess right may not be possible, but I hope that the worst possible outcomes can be avoided, or at least mitigated.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 09, 2011 06:26 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: backhoe at September 09, 2011 06:29 AM (rFdqZ)
My local dc talk radio guy, Chris Plante, just called for lifting the concealed carry ban in DC for the weekend due to the heightened security threat so that americans can respond in real time to the islamists.
It would be nice. Of course, you can already do that across the Potomac.
Thank God for that. I would not, however, exercise your right to open carry in the City of Alexandria, cops still pretend that they know the law even when they don't.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 09, 2011 06:29 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Chicago Voter at September 09, 2011 06:29 AM (Pir3k)
you are not criticizing Palin for trying to do in 2 years what took Reagan 20.
There is no reason for her to even humor Presidential aspirations or the appearance of aspirations if she is seriously laying an infrastructure. It is wasted energy. She cannot at this point even carry Reagan's 1960 jockstrap.
You are incorrect by the way about Reagan not having a shadow party within the party, Reagan was within 3% of unseating Ford in '76 and should have...
it took a Herculean effort of the old guard to stop Reagan had he not picked a moderate Rockefeller Republican as his VP if nominated he would have gotten it in all likelihood.
The guy he picked was so odious that Jesse Helms flipped, and they lost 5 conservatives for ever 2 liberal republicans he gained.....
sound familiar?
Reagan was one of the driving forces behind Goldwater's machine. Reagan lost to Ford in part because he had not built up the rust belt enough in his previous work. Ohio was a big blow.
Sarah does not have that kind of pull yet and seems focused on playing stalking horse in a very vital race snarking on the people who are running.
She keeps it up she will continue alienating Palinistas to whatever degree, she costs us the race somehow something Reagan never did she'll lose a lot more.
Barack Obama is not the person to throw the race to to "make a point about the GOP" Bill Clinton "maybe" not this guy.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:29 AM (AEIYh)
Just two weeks before the 9/11 hijackers slammed into the Pentagon and World Trade Center, members of a Saudi family abruptly vacated their luxury home near Sarasota, leaving a brand new car in the driveway, a refrigerator full of food, fruit on the counter — and an open safe in a master bedroom.
In the weeks to follow, law enforcement agents not only discovered the home was visited by vehicles used by the hijackers, but phone calls were linked between the home and those who carried out the death flights — including leader Mohamed Atta — in discoveries never before revealed to the public.
The FBI knew about this 10 years ago per the article. This looks like ruh roh material.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 06:30 AM (ENKCw)
I'll take a swing at that: Getting the majority of grass-roots conservatives to support her. She has some rabid supporters, and a few more rational supporters, but the majority of conservatives (while they may like her positions) don't support her for anything except going back into private life and occasionally making appearances.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:30 AM (8y9MW)
Uhh, Turkey is, ahh, a valuable ally that shares my views on Israel.
Posted by: The SCOAMF at September 09, 2011 06:30 AM (tqwMN)
331.......I also think it's an oversimplification - and inaccurate - to meld "Texas" with "George Bush." Bush's image was of a pampered guy who got into Yale and Harvard because of his family connections, not because of his intellect. That's really not the stereotypic Texan.
I think Perry is banking on the theory that people don't dislike Texans, per se, but rather the cartoon version of George W. Bush and the failures of his administration. That's why he is running as himself - a self-made, rugged individualist (including switching parties, incidentally) who has a focus on the most pressing domestic issues right now and has achieved results in Texas.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 10:22 AM (5H6zj)
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Nicely said, Y-not.
I think the elitist Texas-phobes are ignoring the fact that us folks out here in flyover country actually do *like* cowboys....and we love Texas, too. There are millions of us.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 06:31 AM (vKRHm)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 10:26 AM (Fw2Gg)
Where are you seeing she's third place? Every poll I've seen she is hovering around Herm Cain levels.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 09, 2011 06:32 AM (FkKjr)
As Insty pointed out today, Bush went to *two* Ivy League schools, so by the NYT's standards he's twice as smart as King Putt.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 09, 2011 06:32 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 09, 2011 06:33 AM (H/MnC)
You mean that RINO Senate Minority Leader?
No.
Okay, he may not be a RINO, but he is insufficiently conservative and lacks intestinal fortitude.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 10:25 AM (8y9MW)
Agreed. The use of a rifled barrel made skirmishing more effective than it normally would have been in the Revolutionary War period, but as I recall the bulk of the army used smooth bore muskets, which could not be effectively aimed. You needed a mass of fire that only an organized line of men can provide.
By the time of the civil war the rifled barrel was the norm, which greatly enhanced the effectiveness of the weapon, but you still had the issue of control. Coordinating fighting units on a battle field with no radios was a mess. It was hard enough to move columns and lines around - controlling an army of highly mobile skirmishers would have been impossible.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 09, 2011 06:34 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 06:34 AM (ENKCw)
Listening to Mark Levin from last night, is it true that El JEFe will now go on the road to stump for this campaign speech jobs bill?
Why, yes, yes, that is true. So taxpayers get to foot the bill! It's the Chicago Way, peons, deal with it. Whoohoo!!!
Posted by: Prezident SCoaMF at September 09, 2011 06:35 AM (8DdAv)
I'm not Vic, but we actually get energy from Nuclear reactors in the same way (more-or-less) that we do from coal, or oil: we use generated heat to boil water. We would do the same thing with fusion that we do with fission.
As I understand it, the problems with fusion come from containment (we don't want to build what we think is a power-plant, but is actually a bomb).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:36 AM (Fw2Gg)
TM over at JOM makes it clear Â…
“But let’s credit Obama with a great idea for stimulating the economy – I am going to buy a sports car and tell my wife it is already already paid for, with savings that she and I will identify later. That will work!”
Yeah. ThatÂ’s the ticket !
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 09, 2011 06:36 AM (e8kgV)
Yes, that's true. I guess you mean a double standard. That's actually not true. I put Romney and Gingrich in the same category as Palin. In fact, I often criticize Romney for not having used the time since he left the governorship to do something constructive and I call his resume dusty. The difference is, Romney's resume is more impressive to me (not his policies, necessarily, but his actual work history) and the polls show that he has a broader base of support.
However, as I mentioned the other day, even if Romney disavowed (and dissected) Masscare and Obamacare - and said the right thing on cap & trade - he would still be well below Perry. I'm looking for accomplishments that are relevant to the situation at hand, not rhetoric.
You say that her strategy isn't working. Really? What is she failing at?
She's failing at broadening her base. I actually think she's narrowed it.
She's failing at adding to her list of accomplishments in areas that matter for being an effective president.
And she's apparently failing at making any money off of that movie.
Winning the Presidency? She's not even running and she's in third place or so.
Is she? It's hard to gauge her support because she is not really included on all polls.
Look, we're not going to persuade each other of Palin's suitability for President this time around. The only reason I jumped in to respond to phoenixgal, is that I really would like to at least help us to be talking in concrete terms with each other about what we are actually saying, instead of the tendency (we all have) to generalize or drift off topic based on our frustrations with what other folks have said about Palin or Perry or any of this stuff. I think we can do that and I think we need to do that so we can still listen to each other when crunch time comes and we have to vote.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:36 AM (5H6zj)
I obviously disagree about Palin's strategy because we haven't seen the end-product of an actual declared campaign, and we may not. I think we will, but I have no more information on that than anyone else.
On Perry, I think there is no way that he can overcome the Texas stereotype. That's a stark statement, I know. It has been beat into ordinary people's minds for a decade what Texas is and what Republicans from Texas are. It isn't fair and it isn't accurate but it is what people believe.
And he is determined to play to that stereotype, not against it. His contention isn't that George W. Bush isn't too Texas, it is that Bush wasn't Texas enough. How do you defeat a stereotype by being even more of the stereotype? It doesn't make any sense.
Perry fans here the death penalty answer as a reasonable response to a gotcha question. Average people hear it as, "Yep, we fry 'em in Texas, baby!" And SS is a "Ponzi scheme!" Old people hear that he's gonna take their checks and don't hear the part before about preserving the system for current retirees.
Combine that with his finger pointing, chest out stance, looking out over the audience with his eyes squinting, with that high-tenor, west Tx accent and he checks all the boxes in people's Texas/Bush stereotype list.
His supporters may think bold tough talk is the answer. Done the way he does it, it is a loser in a general election. The Obama folks have to be laughing their asses off thinking that we would be stupid enough to run Bush on steroids against them.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 06:36 AM (dcoFe)
??
...Reform via silent political cultivation of alliances within to force alliances to your will and demand your way of the party.
That describes the transition of the Republican Party during the 1960s from constitutional conservative for limited government to revisionist PC neoconservatives for bigger and authoritarian government.
It also describes the coincidental transition of the Democrat Party to ditch all in favor of Socialist-liberalism.
Hitler played that authoritarian game of "the will" allying nationalist Labor before demanding the world go his way.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 06:37 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2011 06:37 AM (FcR7P)
>>Amen. Our so-called Allies in Europe must all be re-evaluated and their usefullness
They have none. We need to jetison our 16th-20th century thinking.
Europe is done. It's time has passed, and it's not coming back. The only nation capable of bringing Europe back, Germany, is still suffering from a slew of mental issues related to institutionalized post war guilt. You can't maintain a nation without some sense of nationalism or at the very least national pride. Oh, that and having kids might help.
Asia isn't the future, it's the here and now.
We need to blunt China's expanding reach.
A Pacific NATO is our future. India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Australia, and the Phillipines.
We cannot let the South China Sea, Indian Ocean or Straights of Malacca fall into China's sphere of influence. We cannot keep them out on our own, so will will need a combined force(navies) from the countries listed above.
China cannot be allowed to continue to expand at will. It's an extremely nationalist and irredentist nation with a authoritarian government and tons of cash. Not a great combination. Actually it sounds a lot like Germany in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 06:37 AM (wuv1c)
Thanks for the info. I'm a bigot because the moment I see "homeopathic," I guffaw and move on.
While looking for backup that 2X is 1/100 dilution, I see that Wikipedia addresses Zicam in its article on homeopathy.
Yeh, almost helpful info in the zinc gluconate article:
zinc lozenges definitively shorten the duration and severity of cold symptoms but offers no recommendations as to dosage
<Sigh>
I'll just have some chicken soup. Or eat a cube of bullion so there's no dilution issues.
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 06:37 AM (XdlcF)
They have not even solved the "cold fusion" problem yet, much less the ability to contain it. I have come to the conclusion that fusion as a power generation source is a pipe dream.
And really, the problems with fission reactors are 99% political, not scientific or logistic.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:38 AM (M9Ie6)
I get spam emails asking if I want that much added!
On a serious note, Vic, I'm a survivor and want to wish you well. I can tell you that there is nothing like the first step outdoors into the sunlight after each of those periodic visits to the oncologist, in the years of followup. It seems like entering a new universe. You take a deep breath and smile from ear to ear. And then after that last visit, maybe five years out, when he or she has pronounced you well enough not to have to come back, you feel as if you could dance like Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, all the way to the car.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 09, 2011 06:38 AM (4sQwu)
(sigh) You know that calls for a dumb joke on my part right??
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 06:38 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Chicago Voter at September 09, 2011 06:38 AM (Pir3k)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 10:36 AM (8y9MW)
I don't pretend to understand much about nuclear physic, but from the little I get wouldn't fusion be the more safe way than uncontrolled atom splitting in fission?
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 09, 2011 06:39 AM (H/MnC)
continuing resolution and the debt ceiling deal work out for you all, that you were insisting was the best thing since sliced bread.
Posted by: ian cormac at September 09, 2011 06:39 AM (z2F2b)
. I'd even settle for "be a voice from private life that is reasoned and tutored by the kind of group Reagan formed and get back into some form of public service to erase the Governor stain that was unfairly put there".
I am not the type of person who thinks you need to be an elite to lead a party, I am also not the type of person who deludes themselves into thinking the job is so easy anyone can do it.
Right now Sarah's grab for the brass ring reeks of Barack's in a funhouse mirror.
The notion that I am not a fan, or was wishcasting on her is funny. I was one of the people who knew enough about her work to discuss it here and at hotAir and LGF out of the gate. Some of her Alaska work was brilliant contrary to the M$M and Tina Fey.
All that said the destruction of her image by the M$M happened and the GOP did not do enough to help protect her in the stupor that infected it after election '08.
I have a lot of rage at the McCain wing over their abandoning her to be the national democratic machine and corrupt AK GOP's punching dummy I assure you.
The thing is at the end of the day any energy the party expends to rehabilitate her right now is energy wasted that should be focused on barack obama.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:40 AM (AEIYh)
Control is less the problem (though it is one) than Rate of Fire.
If I have a massed formation 3 deep using Civil War era mini-ball rounds, I can fire a shot every 20 seconds. (Yes, at the time, that was unbelievably fast). Skirmishers just couldn't get the mass of lead in the air to be able to overcome that.
Once semi-automatic (and, later, fully automatic) weapons became the norm, however (especially with aim improvements that rifling provided), skirmish tactics began to work much better.
It really wasn't until fully automatic weapons (like the Gatling gun, and, eventually, machine guns) came into their own that it became actively bad to mass your troops, though.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:40 AM (8y9MW)
The NYT is now liking Sarah Palin?
Well yeah, of course they would. It's part of that new MFM meme they are forwarding......that Rick Perry is even "more extreme" than Sarah Palin.
In other words, Perry is that "true conservative" that Palin has been -saying- that she is looking for. And the Obamamedia will do everything they can to bring him down.......even embrace Sarah Palin to do it.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 06:40 AM (vKRHm)
That never gets old! I guess I'm a product of my generation. Thank you, Steve Martin!
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (5H6zj)
Crossing my fingers:
Republican Bob Turner led Democrat David Weprin by 6 points in the nonpartisan Siena College poll released this morning.
The nonpartisan survey conducted Tuesday through late Thursday found 50 percent of those polled would vote for Turner if the election were held "today" while 44 percent would vote for Weprin. Six percent of the 886 likely voters polled said they were undecided.
The numbers have flipped from a Siena poll a month ago, when Weprin had a 6-point lead.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (0fUOB)
A Pacific NATO is our future. India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Australia, and the Phillipines.
We
cannot let the South China Sea, Indian Ocean or Straights of Malacca
fall into China's sphere of influence. We cannot keep them out on our
own, so will will need a combined force(navies) from the countries
listed above.
Amen.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (c0A3e)
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 10:38 AM (AnTyA)
Hey, I fed the line out there to maybe get us away from the Palin wars.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (M9Ie6)
It wasn't meant to be a big deal. As everyone with a science background probably already knows, when observing objects in a reference frame moving at a constant rate near the speed of light from a slower moving reference frame, the observed length of the fast moving object will tend toward zero, while the mass and time tend toward infinity.
Posted by: Physics Geek at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (mh8Iu)
>>The NYT is now liking Sarah Palin?Well yeah, of course they would. It's part of that new MFM meme they are forwarding......that Rick Perry is even "more extreme" than Sarah Palin.
No, they're simply trying to get her in the race to blunt Perry's rise and give us Romney as a candidate.
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 06:41 AM (wuv1c)
The state of the race, so far...
Perry: slaughters small defenseless coyotes
Romney: shoots and misses small varmints
Palin: kills dangerous gigantic mooseses
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:42 AM (OhYCU)
yeah....
her overperforming in online polls and polling from enemy sources and ABC is an enemy source just not as bad as NBC touches on the other thing....
her super zealous fans....
RONPAUL!!!!!111111 territory is approaching.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:42 AM (AEIYh)
The NYT is even getting passed the poo being flung at Palin and actually looking at what she is saying.
This will drive the Palin-phobes nutz!! Glad Ace won't be awake for several hours yet.
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 06:42 AM (AnTyA)
Ma, they are still laboring to reach 'the breakeven point' in fusion, where they get as much energy back out as they are putting in to cause the fusion. There are at least two big projects working on this, using lasers and particle accelerators to create the temps/pressures required.
There will be no Mr. Fusion powered Deloreans in our immediate future.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2011 06:42 AM (ENKCw)
Good Lord! I hope this chemo shit doesn't last 5 years!
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:43 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:44 AM (Fw2Gg)
Is it just me or does Kratos rock ... ?
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 09, 2011 06:44 AM (GvYeG)
I think so....she is so damaged they view her as no threat...I suspect their polling shows she alienates white liberal GOP women who are jealous of her....
I suspect that Sarah is being used as a stalking horse by the national media to horsewhisper the GOP to "safe"....
Mitt lost points with me on the scaring seniors gymnastics of his own sucker punch but I am not a hellbent for Perry guy either......
I want a primary that gets the best candidate without leaving gaping wounds to attract the sharks being inflicted by other GOPers....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:45 AM (AEIYh)
I didn't see the Faker-in-Chief's speech last night, but am watching clips of the *ahem* highlights right now.
This dude has totally shot his wad. Rhetoric and flourish only works if the listeners buy in, and most of America simply isn't buying what he's selling.
So go on, run back into the arms of your buddies Barry ... the unions, the media, academia, the victims' groups ... you do that. But know this: the word on the street from 55-60% of America is fuck you, we're tired of your lies and bullshit.
I didn't see it either, but I knew what he was going to say before he even said it. I even knew what his tone of voice would be before any words came out of his mouth.
I think I might get a 1-900 number and give Miss Cleo a run for her money.
Looking forward to Mark Steyn's insightful, witty analysis of this speech today. It should be entertaining.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 06:45 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 06:45 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 10:12 AM (dcoFe)
Sorry, my friend, it's always the percecption not the reality.
Posted by: The Ghost of Grace Kelly at September 09, 2011 06:46 AM (8DdAv)
Why do you think the fission is uncontrolled? Its not.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:46 AM (M9Ie6)
No. Fusion actually releases far more energy than does fission, so it's harder to contain.
Fission may have the ability to go into overload (though we've pretty well solved that little problem), but fusion starts out there. We simply do not have the ability to contain the energy released by nuclear fusion.
I saw an article some months ago where several nuclear physicists are starting to think (as Vic seems to) that cold-fusion (which would be required for us to contain the energy from the reaction) is a pipe-dream. Maybe the article was a IO9 or The Register? I can't remember.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 09, 2011 10:43 AM (vbh31)
It wasn't the nationalism that was the problem (every country has it). The problem was what was done with it
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 09, 2011 06:47 AM (H/MnC)
but she is so awesomesauce that even not being a candiate she is 3d YAY....
errrr
if her theatrics are some super secret ploy to make the GOP more popular and attract the psycho longshoremen away from felonious assault and violating judge's court orders I wish she'd get to it....
I also wish she'd reduce her carbon footprint and quit teasing back when she could have gained support and annoying the race now that you tell me she is not
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:47 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:47 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:47 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:48 AM (SB0V2)
I was just down to the Piggly Wiggly getting the kids their Mountain Dew and barbecue-flavored Fritos for breakfast and noticed that ALL the cart-getters, baggers, and stockers were all seniors.
I realize that the kids are back to school, but this is still something I had never seen before.
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 06:48 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:49 AM (SB0V2)
If I understand correctly, some of the proposed fusion methods, like Polywell (currently getting some Navy research funding), would generate electricity directly, without the boiler/steam turbine arrangement of fission nukes.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 09, 2011 06:49 AM (JUzf5)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (U9jjw)
Why do you think the fission is uncontrolled? Its not.
See the Fukushima Reactor. Like I said, I am no nuclear physicist. Just asking questions
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (H/MnC)
>>>I guess that presents a catch-22 for Germany. Historically, Teutonic nationalism hasn't worked out so well.
I think Germany could do just fine with nationalism, it was the overly militaristic Prussian nationalism that was problematic, but that's long gone. Most of what was once Prussia is now occupied by various other nations such as Poland or Russia. The old Junkers are long gone. The uniforms and pagentry too.
They faired pretty well between 1866-1888. It's just that gimp Kaiser Wilhem II who pushed them further and further towards confrontation with the other powers and was entirely unreasonable
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: The Clogginsteins from Brattleboro, VT at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (48wze)
Why would you consider Palin and Romney alike? Romney has been an announced candidate for a while. He has been pretty much committed to running for President since 2007. Romney's goal is to get Romney elected.
Palin isn't running. Again, I think she has a different goal in mind. If she isn't doing what you think she should do as a candidate, could be that, you know, she's not a candidate.
--
OK, I think we have a disconnect.
I am only interested in Palin right now - or anyone right now - insofar as they are either running for president or helping us unseat Obama and replace him with a non-Ron Paul Republican.
Until Palin says she is not running, she is in the mix. That's obviously intentional on her part (motivations are unclear to me - could be to drive book and movie sales or could be to be a king maker by holding onto a base of primary supporters she can send a candidate's way or could be she's running but is holding off for some reason). So when I think about Palin, it really only has to do with that context. I don't care about her career, per se.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (SB0V2)
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhl6p
Posted by: Hedgehog at September 09, 2011 06:50 AM (hewPj)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 06:51 AM (mjR67)
Okay, that would be cool... but how?
If nothing else, they still have to generate electricity on the line somehow.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
whereas I do but will not tolerate her pretnding to be a candidate to up her book sales and play rock star if it interferes with the mission at hand unseating Obama.....
but yeah she is either in or out and if out get the hell out of the way and pick somebody to help and go on tour slagging Barry to whip up your base sarah
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:51 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:51 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:51 AM (Fw2Gg)
Monty linked to a piece the other day showing that seniors are carrying more and more debt into retirement; seniors are finding ways to supplement their income and they aren't "above" menial jobs to get extra cash.
The downside of is that this crowds out younger workers from the workplace.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 09, 2011 06:52 AM (c0A3e)
They did not have "uncontrolled fission". They lost the ability to remove decay heat through several simultaneous beyond design basis events brought on by nature.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:52 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:52 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 09, 2011 06:53 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 10:50 AM (SB0V2)
Some of my lib "friends" on FB make me contemplate life as a cloistered hermit.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 06:53 AM (RKzwg)
________
That much I know, but I don't know the specific numbers involved. Short of guessing "1mm, 99% of infinity, and I don't know nothin' 'bout no time", I couldn't answer them.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (6fER6)
Poll: Republicans On Verge Of Shocking NYC Upset
Republican Bob Turner holds a six-point lead in next week's special election to replace disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., according to a new Siena College poll released early Friday that shows voters in the overwhelmingly Democratic district are poised to deliver a stinging rebuke to President Obama and his party.
Turner leads Democratic Assemblyman David Weprin in the poll, 50 percent to 44 percent. Six percent of likely voters in the Sept. 13th election are undecided.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (nsjpb)
yup...and the reason why is because of the artificial restrictions on their earning potential....here where I live in indy metro there is a 35 year machinist who works at wal-Mart to "keep my earnings in balance" so as not to impact his social security.....
what a waste of talent.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (SB0V2)
How do Perry people simultaneously believe that SP can't overcome stereotypes about her that are only 3 years old and that she has been working every day for those three years to overcome, but Perry can overcome stereotypes that are 10 years old that he not only isn't working to overcome but is actively embracing?
You do realize that a significant proportion of the independent voters out there stil blame Bush for the economic downturn? They blame Obama for making it worse. The last thing they think is gonna fix things is bringing back another version of Bush.
It ain't fair and it ain't right but it is what it is. Saying that "I like cowboys" doesn't change the fact that a lot of people don't. We're already going to win Texas. We need to win in Ohio.
Ohioans had 8 years of a "Texas president." I don't hear a great clamor in Ohio for another 4 years of one. If you think Bush 2.0 is going to drive up turnout in Hamilton County and discourage turnout in Cuyahoga County, you're on crack.
And those are the counties that matter to this election. Texas isn't a swing state. Ohio is.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 06:54 AM (dcoFe)
yeah look for the press to suddenly be disinterested if we get both....
and it will NOT be a reflection on the national trust in the donk agenda.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:55 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 06:55 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Maxine Waters at September 09, 2011 06:55 AM (e8kgV)
From the NYT article about Sarah Palin:
"...Is there a hint of a new political breakthrough hiding in there?"
"Ms. Palin may be hinting at a new political alignment..."
Well duh.....The NYT is drooling at the thought that Palin might sabotage the 2012 election with a 3rd party run like Ross Perot did. ....Or at least create enough discord in the opposition to make people dissatisfied with whomever the nominee is that they will stay home.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 06:55 AM (vKRHm)
And I guess I should add, for clarity, that I assumed Mitt was running so that I applied the same standard to Mitt well before he announced. When Obamacare was coming down the pike, I was expecting him to show some leadership on that issue and deliver a detailed, scathing indictment of government run health care, but he didn't. I hold that against him even though he was not a candidate (officially) at that time.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:55 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 06:56 AM (mjR67)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 06:56 AM (Fw2Gg)
By the way, I think that the "average person" like the death penalty. The MFM tried the same crap on Bush, and gave up on it when it got the opposite reaction they expected...sort of like the applause that Perry got the other night.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 09, 2011 06:56 AM (dIHHd)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 09, 2011 06:56 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 06:57 AM (qFpRI)
the only reason Ohio is a swing state is because we were stupid enough to empower the Cleveleand gang of GOP who pissed off the SW union/former union crossover GOP to NO GAIN in Cuyahoga through the power and influence we sold Voinovich....
what I am hearing in Clark, Darke, Miami, Greene, and Montgomery counties is "anybody but bambi".....
Porkulus, Tarp, and the GM bailout not saving that areas' factory jobs lost him their support and cost the donks the Governorship this cycle.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:58 AM (AEIYh)
I don't think she is running. I think that she realizes that as long as she let's the media think she's a potential candidate, the longer they'll keep the spotlight on her.
Some may say she's being opportunistic and is trying to further gain financially from it. That very well be her motivation,
...but honestly, I couldn't give a shit (are we allowed to say that word still?). She is taking it to the SCoaMF ..and hard...when no one in the GOP field will.
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 06:59 AM (AnTyA)
yup....a lot like gun control which the M$M finally dutifully accepted was not a major gain for donks when Pelosi herself put it away so they stopped.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 06:59 AM (AEIYh)
This is my last post because I have to go, but I disagree with your premise that Perry is up against the same type of entrenched personalized (demonized) stereo types as Palin. Perry has only been on the national radar for a couple of months (including the pre-announcement lead up). So even if there is the sort of anti-Texan (not anti-Bush) sentiment you describe (which I really doubt, actually), it has not been something hung around Perry's neck for ten years in the nation's mind.
And I think you skipped my part about how you overcome these sorts of stereotypes. I think Palin's strategy, which is essentially a PR strategy, is not working. Perry is still governing the second largest state (and one of the world's top economies iirc) in a time of economic crisis. He will have a broader array of tools for countering negative stereotypes.
Have a good day, folks. See you later!
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 06:59 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Ohioan at September 09, 2011 07:00 AM (dIHHd)
3. Always guide the passengers to fasten the seat belts to avoid injury if accident occurred and keep close the windows in order to avoid hearing of any explosion voice inside the car and avoid the entrance of any hand grenade thrown by an enemy.
Posted by: JOBS!! Shovel ready at September 09, 2011 07:00 AM (PcoXF)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 07:00 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: blaster at September 09, 2011 07:00 AM (Fw2Gg)
Tell that to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. "Kemelism" established Turkey's independence as the SECULAR, parliamentarian democratically elected Republic of Turkey.
As if Turks fighting North Koreans and the Chinese was "convenient" for Turks.
Turkey was the US ally fighting with forces in Korea, paving its way to joining NATO in 1952, providing a bulwark against Soviet expansion into the Mediterranean. A defining aspect of Turkey's foreign relations has been its ties with the United States. Based on the common threat posed by the Soviet Union, Turkey joined NATO in 1952, ensuring close bilateral relations with Washington throughout the Cold War.
Turkey hosted US Military Missiles arranged by Eisenhower, poised against the USSR during the Cold War that JFK forfeited in order to get Khrushchev to withdraw the Russian missiles from Cuba (Kennedy having blinked, losing the previous game of chicken--obviously not ciabff).
Following that shift of American ties with Turkey, compounded by the subsequent geopolitical upheaval when the USSR "fell", it was a series of changing (short sighted but convenient) AMERICAN foreign policies that aborted our own former alliance with Turkey. Of course Turkey's best interests direct Turkey's changes in policy as well given the principle of "sovereignty" and allegiance to their own populations.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 07:01 AM (lpWVn)
On the Palin issue, she has until 10/31 to declare or not. There are several states that have that as their deadline for declared candidates.
So at leat we know there will be an end date to the will she or won't she saga.
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 07:01 AM (wuv1c)
Can someone put me some knowledge about this? WTF?
Posted by: Barbarian at September 09, 2011 07:01 AM (EL+OC)
Wait!
What??
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 07:03 AM (AnTyA)
Honestly, blaster, you did not read what I wrote.
And feelings have nothing to do with it. This is about evaluating people who are apparently still in the field of candidates or potential candidates and determining if I think they're qualified to be president. Very secondarily, it's about whether they're helping or hurting us in unseating Obama.
Ciao.
Posted by: Y-not at September 09, 2011 07:03 AM (5H6zj)
Also to add to Maverick Muse, Turkey let us put nuclear missles in their country. By doing so they made themselves a target for nuclear attack from the Soviets should anything happen, and considering they bordered the Soviet Union they would have been one of the first to be hit.
They were certainly an ally to us for a very long time, but not so anymore. This new fundementalist Islamic Revival going on across the the Middle East (and all muslim nations for that matter) has pulled them away from us.
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (mjR67)
It shows which politician proves the statesman.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (lpWVn)
indeed...but it is a joke a month and change out to declare when you already have that hill to climb....
if she does run it is a waste at this point IMHO and is a vanity drive which is what her bus tour has been.
459 barbarian,
harry wants to try out some even more expensive borrowing....
ATHENS HERE WE GO! TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
//Reid
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (AEIYh)
You really don't know anything about Palin do you? She ran as anti-establishment in her campaigns - as a Republican. She will do the same this time.
McCain didn't understand that she is a real reformer, not a talker.
The only person that can get Obama re-elected is Trump - running as a 3rd party. And his Dem operatives have already setup a 3rd party organization to do just that.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 07:04 AM (OhYCU)
as Capt puts it, is bewildering, like sidling up with the Gorilla,
Posted by: ian cormac at September 09, 2011 07:05 AM (z2F2b)
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2011 07:05 AM (WkuV6)
FIFY
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 07:05 AM (lpWVn)
ATHENS HERE WE GO! TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
//Reid
Sweet. More more more more...
Posted by: Barbarian at September 09, 2011 07:05 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 07:05 AM (qFpRI)
Austin Bay has a new biography out about Attaturk that I plan on picking up.
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 07:06 AM (AnTyA)
So, the answer is to run another connected, big-business crony governor just like what ruled Columbus for 16 years and gave us Sherrod Brown in the US Senate and a Dem fuck-all governor as a protest, who also looks and sounds just like that last Texas guy who still is underwater in opinion polls in Ohio?
You don't think that the Ohio Dems aren't thrilled with the possibility of driving urban turnout with a Bush 2.0 boogieman? Every speech Obama will give in Cleveland and Toledo will be all about how Perry is Zombie Bush. Looks like, sounds like, will govern just like Bush!
Hell, I could write the speech myself and I'm sure you could, too. Why make it easy for the fuckers by giving them the perfect candidate to fill the stereotype?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 09, 2011 07:06 AM (dcoFe)
It's not even funny, cherry pi. It is kind of like a war. The way you have to watch your tongue all the time, and just listen to them rant and say nothing.
I do sympathize with that position. There's a portion of my internet life in which I am, pretty much, the only conservative. This is supposed to be a non-political forum but those who claim to be oh so tolerant act in the manner that you would expect. Every six months or so I flip out and respond with the exact same level of decency and respect that's shown to me. The last bout ended up with my losing some friends I've had for over 10 years. What I find hilarious is that when I point out that I am simply abiding by the standard of decency which is shown for my views, well, I'm lectured about being divisive and blah blah blah.
At a certain point it becomes a matter of weighing if participation is worth the stress. It's a bit easier for me because it's just fannish stuff that I don't really need a community to experience so who cares if I walk away. I have an uncle who is an Obamabot and with him I just bite my tongue. He's very ill and every day he's around is a gift so it's not worth it to fight.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 07:07 AM (VtjlW)
Should I just rest my case now?
What you're saying is that, in return for us providing them military assets (including missiles) to protect them against USSR Aggression, they assisted us when we were defending the ROK from the NORKs.
However, it wasn't anything America did that caused the Islamist uprising in Turkey. And it wasn't anything America had done that caused Turkey to deny us use of their airspace (we weren't even asking for bases or ground-based troop movements, remember) in the run up to the invasion of Iraq.
I don't blame Turkey for being in it only for Turkey, but I do think they negotiated their relatively minor role (compared, say, to England of the '50s) into much greater concessions than they actually deserved. And now, they're threatening a literal Act of War against Israel- who are our staunchest ally, including England and Australia.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 07:08 AM (8y9MW)
I'll never figure this out. I was a newcomer to Ohio when Rhodes was governor and I thought the state party had its shit together; LOL @ me. Groin-itch would've been an obscure back-bencher at the county level if some drunk fuckstick hadn't run over his young daughter Molly when he was running against Kucinich for mayor of Cleveland (talk about a crummy race) and all the old biddies that voted for the perverted dwarf because he was pro-life (LOL) switched over in sympathy and the sawed-off little shit was toast. It became obvious when he was mayor that Voinovich was a RINO who never met a tax he didn't like. He had no coat-tails for other Repubs when he eventually became governor and Senator because Cuyahoga county is permanently a blue hell. What a bunch of fucking idiots run the state party.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 07:08 AM (RKzwg)
448.....@ MandiP
Yup. Rand Paul was on Hannity last night, saying that his dad told him it was a "completely friendly conversation" that was going on during the debate break, between his dad and Rick Perry.
No confrontation....No 'assault.....No threatening whatsoever.....on Perry's part.
The whole internet tempest in a teapot was much ado about absolutely nothing.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 07:08 AM (vKRHm)
Posted by: Ben at September 09, 2011 07:11 AM (wuv1c)
UNPRECEDENTED!!ELEVENTY!!
(Cribbed from HA):
Officials from the Department of Energy have for months been sitting in on board meetings as “observers” at Solyndra, getting an up-close view as the solar energy company careened towards bankruptcy after spending more than $500 million in federal loan money.
Word of the Energy DepartmentÂ’s unusual arrangement came as federal agents on Thursday converged on the California headquarters of the failed solar company, focusing fresh attention on the first corporate beneficiary of President ObamaÂ’s stimulus program to create new clean energy jobsÂ…
“The FBI raid further underscores that Solyndra was a bad bet from the beginning and put taxpayers at unnecessary risk,” said Reps. Upton and Stearns. “President Obama’s signature green jobs program went from a darling of the administration, to bankruptcy, to now the subject of an FBI raid in a matter of days.”
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:11 AM (0fUOB)
Why? I suggest making calm quiet statements designed to set them off on ridiculous rants that make them sound crazy. (I do this here with Palin statements
)Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 07:11 AM (OhYCU)
you'll have to show me the "too hot for Perry" passion plays like the Palinista and Paul fans put on....
I am less than thrilled that thus far I think perry has the best platform to nail barry from....
Mitt is compromised on obamacare which is unpopular
Newt has baggage
Cain need polish
O'Donnell is look even somebody as verbose and prone to posting too much doesn't want to elaborate on her flaws....dear god she is like a clone of sarah without the charisma, executive resume, or common sense
Perry has the onus of association with bush(unfairly) but that said the more the donks whine about Bush the more powerless they look while Perry accomplished things and maintained growth even while Bambi fiffled while the economy burned.....
Mitt had a chance to give the most serious and safest call for entitlement reform, and market sense.....
his backing himself into a perceived rhetorical corner on entitlement reform will undermine our moral standing to do real changes even if we win as big as i suspect we will and flip the senate....
he attacked Perry on the issue for no reason other than a cheap sucker punch when perry's position is little different than his own that he is on written record as having
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:12 AM (AEIYh)
FBI is scrubbing out evidence of van jones acting as bagman even as we speak.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:12 AM (AEIYh)
My parents have done a great job of preparing for retirement, which I really appreciate because my in-laws have not.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but do they differ in their political persuasions? I'm guessing your in-laws could be Obama voters?
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:14 AM (0fUOB)
in policy, I think My Gov. Scott proves the point.
Posted by: ian cormac at September 09, 2011 07:14 AM (z2F2b)
If this were Bush, they would have called a “leak” to the press of this type pure unadulterated “Wag the Dog” stuff.
So now we are told there are three guys with “plain names” seeking to do car bombs. Or maybe it’s just Jimmy Hoffa and his boys.
Posted by: Maxine Waters at September 09, 2011 07:14 AM (e8kgV)
FBI is scrubbing out evidence of van jones acting as bagman even as we speak.....
I do think that the FBI raid was no coinkadink. I, like you, think that they were there to destroy evidence of The Administration's corrupt dealings.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:15 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 09, 2011 07:16 AM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 09, 2011 07:17 AM (Kpy8m)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 07:17 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 09, 2011 07:17 AM (F13r2)
Posted by: Malcolm-XX Obama at September 09, 2011 07:18 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:19 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 07:19 AM (mjR67)
467.....You really don't know anything about Palin do you? She ran as anti-establishment in her campaigns - as a Republican. She will do the same this time.
McCain didn't understand that she is a real reformer, not a talker.
The only person that can get Obama re-elected is Trump - running as a 3rd party. And his Dem operatives have already setup a 3rd party organization to do just that.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 11:04 AM (OhYCU)
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It's not me....it's the libturd NYT that is slobbering over the idea that Palin could divide the conservatives.
Maybe the way she aligned herself with "Maverick McCain" and wrote a book called "Going Rogue" has something to do with that.
And maybe the way her rabid fanistas have been trashing the other candidates as a way of clearing a path for her possible run, has something to do with that too.
I do actually know quite a bit about Sarah Palin, because I was a big fan....until I heard her call the union thugs in Wisconsin her "brothers and sisters". The bubble began to dissolve for me, and I started taking a closer look at what her *real* positions are on the issues.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 07:19 AM (vKRHm)
She's bulking up on MarxyCut right now.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 07:21 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 07:22 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2011 07:22 AM (WkuV6)
I maintain a couple of real-world friendships with liberals, and what keeps us friends is that we never discuss politics or religion.
The late BFF and I were about as opposite politically as you could be. We got along because we both respected each other's positions and because there were certain matters that we agreed to never, ever, ever discuss. She also was fantastic about letting my flail at her about things and then patting me on the head.
God, I miss her like burning.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 07:22 AM (VtjlW)
That's the thing I suspect the union types in SW Ohio donkey ranks and weak crossover back to us will hear barack still blaming Bush and roll their eyes at the UAW/GM betrayal....
I am not saying perry is superman I am not even a huge fan but I can't see where Mitt will thrill them either since socially those voters are more conservative than Mitt....
Perry will fire up socially right buckeyes, Mitt will fire up who the Cuyahoga Bluebloods?
Cuyahoga is a lost cause......
I dunno I don't have all the answers or even a bunch all I know is Ohio's anger at the GOP right now is because the Governor's austerity moves are not bearing fruit with the speed that Indiana and the rest of the rust belt's are.....
if there is tangible growth in the state that is obviously from our hands I do not think they will get fired up for Obama other than in the urban center...
Voinovich ruined Mike deWine, once upon a time i thought Mike would be a dark horse candidate....
we couldn't have elected the V man without Celeste being so corrupt and stupid....so we elected a blandly graftish RiNO who drove our industrial base to death.....
add in the farms being taxed right up to the edge of profit as a baseline and what can we do?
I'd give anything to know if SE Ohio can be fracked to production again....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:22 AM (AEIYh)
Late to the thread. Going from memory from when I calculated solar, to match the energy you get from the power company, all of it, without conserving, and batteries for night time it would cost around $125k for me. Which is about the same as if I'd paid my electric bill 25 years in advance.
I think I read somewhere that the average solar panel lasts 6-10 years. Maybe it's better now? Still, doesn't seem like a good investment, and it's a total blight on the landscape. I'm sure that Barry and Michelle removed the solar panels from "The People's House" because of their lack of aesthetics. Funny that President Green Piece hasn't bothered to have new ones re-installed yet--think of the jobs that would create.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:22 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2011 07:23 AM (WkuV6)
And do you think the high score was more because of good offense, or more due to lack of defense?
If you'd asked me last night, I would have said "good offense," but thinking about it more, both of those offenses (while good) were not playing stellar football (good football, yes, stellar, no). I'm going with lack of D is what allowed that game to score a combined 62 points.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 07:24 AM (8y9MW)
Good gawd....Obama is going to speak AGAIN?!
For cthulhu's sake WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE TOTUS! It cannae take no more!
Posted by: alexthechick at September 09, 2011 07:24 AM (VtjlW)
If nothing else, they still have to generate electricity on the line somehow.
Essentially, it would trap high-energy particles resulting from the fusion reaction in a collector, generating electric potential directly. Lots of detail here.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 09, 2011 07:24 AM (JUzf5)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 07:25 AM (ZDUD4)
Speaking on behalf of millions of Americans who've grown angry and frustrated over the president's 32-month ineffective inactivity on the job creation front, President Obama on Thursday told members of Congress they really have to do something about the crummy employment situation -- and do it quickly.
If it didn't read "Los Angeles Times" across the top I would have sworn it was The Onion.
Posted by: Clueless at September 09, 2011 07:25 AM (LyOUH)
..yep...especially when you consider under what cabinet's purview the FBI falls
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 07:26 AM (AnTyA)
I maintain a couple of real-world friendships with liberals, and what keeps us friends is that we never discuss politics or religion.
Yup. Although, it was kind of fun a couple of weeks ago when one of my BFF's (a big Obama supporter) said to me: "Wow, I can't believe what's going on with Obama. A lot of people are really mad at him right now. He did inherit a really bad economy from George W. Bush."
We never discuss politics, but I said "Yes, he inherited an economic downturn, but he made things much worse and increased spending by trillions including a huge, unfunded new liability, Obamacare. I proceeded to launch into a missive about Obamacare (I just can't help myself). She was suprised but I think because I am a nurse, she actually listened and agreed with me at the end.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:26 AM (0fUOB)
You have to "pass the bill" to find out how they will pay the bill.
IÂ’ve seen this movie before.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 09, 2011 07:27 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: JOBS!! Shovel ready at September 09, 2011 07:27 AM (PcoXF)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 09, 2011 07:28 AM (iYbLN)
I maintain a couple of real-world friendships with liberals, and what keeps us friends is that we never discuss politics or religion.
This. Most of my family, especially my mother and most of the elderly clients whom I work for.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 09, 2011 07:29 AM (44b3v)
They will be drowning in less than 18 months.
Posted by: fluffy at September 09, 2011 07:29 AM (4Kl5M)
DeWine was an idiot from the jump
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 07:29 AM (AnTyA)
Good gawd....Obama is going to speak AGAIN?!
Well, the good folks in CA missed out on seeing him Thursday what with their power outages.
Seriously, I'm beginning to think that the WH needs to start an infomercial channel like QVC so that Precedent Sham Mao can get the word out on a continuous basis, uninterrupted by silly things like commercials and football games.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:30 AM (0fUOB)
RT @jimgeraghty: From reader Robert Hall: "It's not a 'stimulus.' It's a 'kinetic fiscal action.'
Lol!
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:30 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 07:31 AM (cbyrC)
Hyperion mini nuclear reactor <-- the keywords
No moving parts, the size of a garden shed, will put out enough to power a small town for 25 years. Buried just under ground, and too hot to steal.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 09, 2011 07:31 AM (F13r2)
Okay... Aside from showing a standard cycle for sea ice... I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing there... unless you're also making some other reference I don't get.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 09, 2011 07:31 AM (8y9MW)
Haven't they suffered enough?
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:32 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 09, 2011 07:32 AM (OhYCU)
First of the screwings from the crying boner and mist McConnel cave-in deals hits
The Senate has voted to raise the debt ceiling by $500B. By some means a $500B increased is requested. Both Houses must then vote to halt the increase and Obama can veto the halt.
IOW that lying shit-stick of a deal virtually approved unlimited increases in the debt that the Houses must stop and Obama can veto. We are truly screwed.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 07:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Your concern is touching.
Ronald Reagan was president of SAG. He also enjoyed a great deal of support from rank-and-file union members in 1980 and 1984. They were called "Reagan Democrats" at the time.
Sarah Palin strongly supported Governor Walker and the Wisconsin Legislature last April against the united labor front and the other member constituencies of the Hard Left. I didn't see Mitt facing down the clowns in Madison. Rick Perry was nowhere to be seen - he was probably too busy bitching about the Texas Legislature terminating his Gardasil and TTC projects with extreme prejudice. Huntsman? Santorum? Cain?
Posted by: mrp at September 09, 2011 07:33 AM (HjPtV)
When?!
Posted by: Clueless at September 09, 2011 11:32 AM (LyOUH)
There was a 'Breaking News' thingy up on CNBC about 20 mins. ago that said 'Obama to speak on jobs & economy momentarily'.
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:34 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 09, 2011 07:34 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2011 07:34 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:37 AM (0fUOB)
This is nothing but playing games with identity politics.
Her husband in in a union..
She was reaching out to those union members who don't necessarily agree with what the leaders are doing.
She wasn't agreeing with union tactics or policies of those at the top
Posted by: beedubya at September 09, 2011 07:38 AM (AnTyA)
the WH needs to start an infomercial channel like QVC so that Precedent Sham Mao can get the word out on a continuous basis, uninterrupted by silly things like commercials and football games.
Funniest thing I've read today.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 09, 2011 07:38 AM (44b3v)
537527 When that lottery win comes in, I'm buying one to power the compound.
---
Yes, at 25 million each, plus permit fees ($40? minimum) you'd have to hit the lottery to buy one.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 09, 2011 07:38 AM (F13r2)
He's going to tell us in two weeks his plan to pay for it but last night he kept yelling at us that Congress should Pass It Now!! So is Now! now, or is it in two weeks?
Posted by: Retread at September 09, 2011 07:38 AM (btEUN)
Plus Celeste couldn't keep his wang in his pants; he was Clinton north, complete with a lesbian wife.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 07:39 AM (RKzwg)
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:39 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: treehugger821 at September 09, 2011 07:39 AM (t4YF+)
it all goes back to Jim Rhodes, back in his era Voinovich's Cleveland gang held JUST enough sway in the Cleveland suburbs and richer urban area to negate some of their sway...unions were still strong and so he sold out to keep the wheel in '79 to beat Celeste,,,,
he hated Celeste with a passion because back then Ohio was not a joint ticket and celeste undermined his term.
Voinovich was the only guy who could hurt Celeste up north, but the reagan democrats were offset by the diminshed power of the cleveland gang to maintain their hedge on the Urban Cleveland Donk machine as the rich moved out to their mansions on the outer loop.....
Voinovich being out of power forced him to cultivate relations with the SW GOP ....
one of Voinovich's strengths was his showing with the black communities statewide, of course the price for that was constant moderation of his fiscal policy and tolerance of expensive social programs....
even after he lost the black crossover vote he never lost the tax and spend habits he developed as Cleveland mayor.....
once he felt secure in the governorship he set out to artificially empower Taft as holder of the line on the cleveland gang far beyond his contributions to the state GOP.....
it is a sad story of 8 years of wasted potential to empower ohio to be the Aviation manufacturing and design capital of the region, and try to refire our industrial belt....
had we cut our discretionary spending to the bone and focused on targeted tax packages for Toyota and BMW we'd probably have the plants that went south.......
instead we milked the Clinton era for revenue and so increased our baseline budget that we were doomed to implode at the first hiccup in our tax base.
I miss home, I miss it even when I am there.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:40 AM (AEIYh)
He's going to tell us in two weeks his plan to pay for it but last night he kept yelling at us that Congress should Pass It Now!! So is Now! now, or is it in two weeks?
Standard Operating Procedure. Reading is for dummies. Pass it now!
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:41 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 09, 2011 07:41 AM (44b3v)
what?
huh really....so bambi is really gonna go the TV evangelist route and underperform on growth again?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:41 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: DJIA = -251.34 at September 09, 2011 07:43 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: no good deed at September 09, 2011 07:44 AM (mjR67)
Boehner is going to corner him by passing it with a strategic set of tweaks...
yeah barry the answer to jobs is not getting the EPA and IRS out of the way...the answer is more of you flapping your purple passion makers...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:44 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 07:45 AM (RKzwg)
Ronald reagan did not make apolgies for a union that was on the warpath with prosperity last I checked....
I look at that longshoremen's crowd and i see a lot of "just a few bad apples".....
She wants to try to peel them off fine, spare me the jive about their nobility
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:46 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 07:48 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: DJIA = -251.34
And now it's off 297.96. Stop speechifying SCOAMF.
Posted by: Retread at September 09, 2011 07:48 AM (btEUN)
huh really....so bambi is really gonna go the TV evangelist route and underperform on growth again?
OK, maybe a two pronged attack will be the best approach. In addition to the Infomercial Channel, Teh WH could do a religious programming channel as well. Some of the offerings could include:
"A Time of Hope with Father Obalma", "A Wing and a Prayer" with Ben Bernanke, "The Hour of Faith" featuring various media figures, "Prayers and Props" with vaunted liberal communists and of course other inspirational programming (some vintage Rev. Wright sermons, deep thoughts from Father Phleger, devotionals by Brother Bill Ayers, ruminations from Mumia, etc.)
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:49 AM (0fUOB)
thanks...
I was pretty politically precocious and a pretty high up GOP operative in the state liked my work on US and Ohio history and Econ I was sort of friendly with one of his aides daughters and got to hang around the extreme outer edges of the SW part of the party.....
maybe had I finished school and not travelled somuch I could have worked my way in but never elected...
I am a republican and I have had some interesting event in my love life.
you know the rest.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:49 AM (AEIYh)
I almost drowned when I read Precedent Sham Mao. Hot tea up the nose isn't fun. May I steal that one, runningrn?
Please do!
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:50 AM (0fUOB)
you'll know he's jumped the shark for good when even CNBC and MSNBC admit he should probably quit talking....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:50 AM (AEIYh)
Doesn't "pivot" basically mean, to rotate in place ?
Posted by: qzy at September 09, 2011 07:51 AM (PoAaM)
right now we have the illusion of a filibuster....Barry's ONE smart aspect of his revival tour is that it scares Snowe, collins, and Browne back towards reid....
that's it....
so harry runs the show like 2006-2010 again
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 07:51 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 11:50 AM (AEIYh)
I don't think FBN has even mentioned the speechifying going on.
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2011 07:52 AM (X6akg)
I am a republican and I have had some interesting event in my love life.
Sven had an encounter with a Thai Tranny ladyboy! Wow, way to seal your moron creds!
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:52 AM (0fUOB)
IOW that lying shit-stick of a deal virtually approved unlimited increases in the debt that the Houses must stop and Obama can veto. We are truly screwed.
Posted by: Vic at September 09, 2011 11:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Now Vic, you can't possibly believe that any House Republican actually read the bill before they voted for it and knew about this feature (not a bug). It was another we have to pass it so we can find out what's in it--a Pelosi House legacy for legislation.
Our RINO betters deliberately pissed away their Constitutional duty and leverage, even though they were fresh from a 2010 election that indicated their base desperately wanted fiscal accountability.
The fun is just beginning as the useful idiots in the Super Duper Committee buy their way into the history books (oh wait I forgot--if it isn't reported, it didn't happen).
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 09, 2011 07:52 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 07:53 AM (cbyrC)
I have a hard time singling them out for feeling that way. We haven't exactly bent over backwards to accommodate them as well: Support for the Kurds (which I agree with but it didn't make the Turks very happy) and political grandstanding by the donks over the Armenian genocide (I thought it was strange that the commiecrats concentrated on banging them over that). Friends of mine in Germany tell me that the immigrant Turks are very Westen oriented and about as far from the Wahabbi shitstains as you can find.
You're quite correct that the country has gone in the shitter over the past few years; I'm just pointing out that wasn't always the case.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 10:24 AM (RKzwg)
--I'd have to disagree. We have a large NATO presence in Turkey. When I visited there, everyone was very friendly to me (they really want tourist dollars). They're as pro-US and West as you'll find and they're, in general, quite secular. They have, for instance, national beer and wine brands. It's a pretty good country IMHO.
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 07:53 AM (YwDKF)
you'll know he's jumped the shark for good when even CNBC and MSNBC admit he should probably quit talking....
He can't help himself! He loves hearing himself talk, the sound of his mellifluous, golden tones. The applause, the fainting, the hands grasping for him. In his mind, he is a god-king and he is just giving the people what they want.
Posted by: runningrn warming up the Spinner at September 09, 2011 07:53 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 07:54 AM (YwDKF)
Of course. The Federal Relations Authority decertified PATCO in 1981, after the air traffic controller strike was crushed. Sarah Palin didn't make apologies for the Wisconsin teachers' unions, either. She fought them by speaking in support of Walker on the steps of the Wisconsin State Capitol building.
Posted by: mrp at September 09, 2011 08:00 AM (HjPtV)
they did read it...they got what they could....
every time we play Mexican standoff on the debt pisses people off at the GOP and risks military pay while we are at war....
Barack does not care....it is not a bluff he will not pay anybody but his union people out of the emergency hedge if we shutdown.....
the destruction of morale, efficiency in commerce, emergency services all of it...
he does not see the harm as a harm he sees it as BONUS round he gets to hurt the government and get his opponents dirtier than he gets.
Much as I wish we could filibuster we can't....
Boehner will be left holding the blame ball and he grasped the media will not give him a podium to argue his case that he has sent dozens of bills to harry....
we are stuck right now.
It is the price we are paying for Bush not arguing against the flamethrowing he was getting and governing with sanity domestically....
we pissed our voters off and the donks got their way...now we have to take the machine back
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:00 AM (AEIYh)
I must have missed where Goivernor Palin broke the Wisconin unions' back like reagan did the ATCs....
you got a link?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:01 AM (AEIYh)
I hope he keeps at it...
no seriously he should make a nice long speech about how "this is all paid for" understanding that there are people smart enough to know we just made 500 billion more funny money last night when he was lying.....
it'll do wonders for investor confidence to know he is raising their taxes and lowering their margins....barely
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:03 AM (AEIYh)
I agree...of course the correct thing to say would be.....
The President of the United States is the chief law enforcement officer in the country, in allowing the longshoremen leadership to engage in these attacks in violation of a Federal Judge's ruling is condoning an attempt to interfere with people's livelihoods just because they belong to a different union and as such he should be sending a federal taskforce to enforce that ruling!
instead we get a verbal pat on the hand for the kneebreakers
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:06 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 11:53 AM (YwDKF)
Been to Turkey recently?
Things in the Mid East can change very quickly.... but always seem to change one direction.
Lebanon went from a very pro western country, to shitsville in a very few years in the late 70's. Iran in 79 changed rapidly.
Its the cascade effect... where a smaller event has large implications to a Nations attitude.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 09, 2011 08:09 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2011 11:54 AM (YwDKF)
I was pretty confused so thanks for pointing that out. Turkey has always been an East meets West place going back to the Byzantine Empire. As such it will always be in a state of temporary back and forth as the pendulum swings and, I think, will be limited as far as how deep in the muzz shitter it will go.
Btw, I'd like to commend my fellow morons on the level of discussion on this thread; even when they make the obviously fuckheaded move of disagreeing with me.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 09, 2011 08:11 AM (RKzwg)
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Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 09, 2011 08:15 AM (3WzDD)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 12:06 PM (AEIYh)
Yeah, its about time for the 'Equal Protection' under the law arguement to be made.... but GOP? /crickets.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 09, 2011 08:16 AM (NtXW4)
511..... I am not against all Unions, just public sector ones. The ones that have to make it in the private sector live and die on their own.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 09, 2011 11:25 AM (ZDUD4)
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When private sector unions start taking responsibility for killing jobs.....then I will have a more favorable view of them.
When private sector unions stop supporting the politicians who heap taxes and regulations on businesses to the point of putting-them-out-of-business and thereby killing more jobs.......then I will begin to have a favorable opinion of them.
Unions started out as a good thing.... I applaud them for the work they did in good working conditions, safety regulations and abolishing child labor..... But they did not disband after they accomplished their original goals. Instead, they came up with new demands.....and have morphed over time into little more than extortion clubs fostering an entitlement mentality and sheltering slacker behavior.
Collective bargaining is not a right..... If it were, then what about us poor non-union folks who have to pay higher prices for consumer goods because of the increased costs that union demands cause?
Union demands do not result in better products for consumers.....they simply add to the price of those products. This also fuels inflation across the board.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 08:21 AM (vKRHm)
Posted by: runningrn at September 09, 2011 08:27 AM (0fUOB)
@534 Mrp
Perry was very vocal about his support for Scott Walker back in February. [There are videos of it on YouTube.] So it's not true that he "was nowhere to be seen"....you just weren't looking.
Perry was busy doing his job and looking after his state.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 08:29 AM (vKRHm)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 08:29 AM (cbyrC)
+1000
The private sector unions right now lack the moral justification they once had they are stifling our competitiveness trying to hold on to gains made during more flush times like a drunk on hooch gettting between the workforce and work....
In flush times with a radical disequilibrium in the profit split there may be a moral argument to make if the business is not using the flow to recapitalize and is raking in pure profit while choking off the labor from their gain BUT even that argument is on shaky grounds merit wise as nobody holds a gun to the worker's head.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:31 AM (AEIYh)
or looking at the long game and that the mess will stick to Harry and barry more than them....
we can't stop barack with the numbers being what they are just slow him down and we ARE doing that he retreated from a bad EPA decision that would have killed his numbers for good I think
Posted by: sven10077 at September 09, 2011 08:33 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 09, 2011 08:38 AM (cbyrC)
587 Thanks, Sven.
And all that other stuff you said was just......hawt.
*fans self*
Some of the things you post are like conservative pron for me and make me want to roll around on the floor like Jamie Lee Curtis did in 'Fish Called Wanda' whenever she heard Russian being spoken.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 08:41 AM (vKRHm)
589 Well you're right about that, FRONT.
I was trying to be nice and think of something positive that unions have contributed to our history....that's all I could come up with.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 09, 2011 08:45 AM (vKRHm)
Posted by: runningrn at September 09, 2011 12:27 PM (0fUOB)
Hell, they didn't even want to be there, but Harry Reid made them go.
So, what, the GOP is supposed to be background for a photo op?
Posted by: AmishDude at September 09, 2011 09:08 AM (T0NGe)
Yup. Today at noon ABC Radio News reports that the market is down because the Republican house won't pass Obama's jobs bill.
This is why conservative blogs are replacing talk radio. Unlike listening to Linbaugh on an ABC station, I can read AoSHQ without being interrupted every 30 minutes by a bunch of chickenshit liberal bull shit.
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Posted by: ian cormac at September 09, 2011 09:48 AM (z2F2b)
My sister just forwarded the recently declassified photos of NYC 9/11/01.
God Almighty, hear our prayers.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 10:01 AM (lpWVn)
AllenG.,
JFK pulling out our treaty missiles as "America" did left Turkey's ass wide open to Khrushchev USSR aggression, after Turkey lived up to its end of the treaty bargain. Bad form on our part caused bad blood between our nations. That was enough to sour any "trust" between our nations, proving to Turkey how fickle American Policy is. (American history is rife with broken US Government treaties with peoples who are deemed inconsequential, native indigenous tribes.) Our treaty with Turkey lasted only as long as it was convenient on our part to maintain. It's the nature of our beast, peaceful turn-over of government per election cycle. But excusing our own breach of trust as if no mistrust resulted isn't going to clarify anything. Kennedy treated Turkey as poorly as Obama treated Poland.
As far as Islamist uprisings go, anywhere in the region over the years, of course they have their own agenda: authoritarian theocratic world domination. But again to pretend that the CIA is never involved in anything to do with Islamist uprisings would be as erroneous as to blame everything bad that ever happens on America.
Regarding Bush's decision to invade Iraq, Turkey had every right to remain neutral and stay clear of that war given their own information that didn't coincide with Bush's WMD propaganda which didn't pan out, anyway. As for America delivering "democracy" to Iraq, realized through linking POLITICALLY the common majority Iraqi/Iranian Muslim sect populations, again, Turkey's reasons for not supporting Bush in ousting Hussein proved more reliable than the Bush propaganda as the dust of American occupation settles. Not only are the minority Muslim sects persecuted by the corrupt government that the US installed in Iraq, but Iraq's indigenous Christians who predate all the Muslim sects have been annihilated--the same population that Hussein left alone to get along with neighbors.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 09, 2011 10:34 AM (lpWVn)
Tea Party men are nasty and uneducated. They are just crude people.
Posted by: treehugger821 at September 09, 2011 11:05 AM (t4YF+)
Ok, I didn't say they didn't support Walker, I said that they didn't show up in Madison to support him. If Mitt and Tim did stand on the Capitol steps in support of Walker and face down the public employee union agitators, then I missed those dramatic moments and I'm sorry.
And I'll take the word of the Perryistas that Perry made some pro-Walker videos for posting on YoutTube back in February.
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