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April 27, 2011

Trump Deeply Unpopular With Independents In Swing States
— Ace

A different poll, by USAToday, poses a a key question -- would you consider voting for Trump? -- 63% nationally say they would not even consider it. (Obama's figure is 46% -- bad, but as you can tell, 46% is less than 50% so he could still win with such a high no-consider figure.)

So why the heck is Rush boosting him every day?

Maybe that's not fair; maybe he's boosting him the way I am -- merely knocking away unfair attacks and saying, "Well, I'm glad someone's out there treating Obama like a run of the mill politician instead of an untouchable Emperor of America."

However, Rush seems much more taken with him than just that. His praise is positive, not merely knocking away others' negative statements.

Does Rush not know the man has given mostly to Democrats? That his "pro-life conversion" story sounds as if he made it up on the spot? That on a whole host of issues, Trump has not only taken the liberal position but the fringier outlier of the liberal position -- like pimping for universal health care or enthusiastically endorsing the Kelo decision as the state just making you move so that it can allow developers to create economically-useful properties?

Okay, let's say Rush just wants a winner. I can understand that.

How about these distressing poll numbers?

What is Rush's plan here, exactly?

And I repeat, it is not true that "Trump is the only person taking Obama" on. A lot of people are. Palin. Bachmann. Even Boehner.

Even Romney. Romney in always very, very critical of Obama.

And of course Gingrich, who has never had a kind word for Obama (unlike Trump, who once had plenty of kind words).

It is simply not true that "no one" is taking on Obama. Others are, but the media's not covering them.

That is not their fault.

And the media is not covering Trump because they figure he has the best chance of unseating Obama. Surely Rush understands that.

Now, Trump has an engaging and entertaining way of speaking. I like his persona. I've been watching his stupid, stupid show on and off but largely on for like ten years or whatever it is. Something about the guy, I admit, is appealing.

But we're not picking based on whether something about someone appeals to us.

We are nominating someone with a very specific job to do, and that job is to beat Obama.

And if Trump looks like he is unlikely to beat Obama -- and he does look like one of the least likely to do so, based on these poll numbers -- then why the hell are we talking him up as a contender?

As I said, I like the guy. He's got charisma. There's an attractiveness about his brash swagger, even if it frequently sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about -- hey, at least the guy is confident on the stuff he's shaky on.

But that doesn't mean he's the best, or even a marginally good, candidate to beat Obama.

You know that that is? That element of genius I've just demonstrated?

Sure you do.

Integrative Complexity

It's the New Hotness neologism for the Old and Busted former neologism "Negative Capability," but the left's been saying that for 40 years and it doesn't sound smart anymore now that everyone knows what it means so on to the next deliberately overcomplicated jumped-up term for a simple idea.

Posted by: Ace at 10:35 AM | Comments (151)
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1 The rich, when it's all said and done, take care of the rich. Rush is always the smartest man in the room, just ask him. I like to think he's just touting the fact that "The Donald" is the ONLY one going after Obama, but I refuse to believe that Trump is Rush's "guy" to take 2012.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2011 10:38 AM (UK9cE)

2 You would think he would read the threads on which he comments. That's what you think.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 10:38 AM (oDMwn)

3 It's a PPP poll. PPP is now an arm of the DNC and nothing they say should be taken seriously. Not a defense of Trump, I don't want him to run.

Posted by: Chris R at April 27, 2011 10:38 AM (QiNmA)

4

Why?

Because the election is a year and a half away. Now is the time to throw bombs and see what sticks, which is exactly what Obama is doing.

Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 10:39 AM (uFokq)

Do we want a Clinton Democrat in the WH? Better than Barky but....

Posted by: Cheri at April 27, 2011 10:40 AM (oiNtH)

I think Rush is boosting him for two reasons.

1. Trump donated 100K to a charity Rush supports on his show

2. Trump, while he won't be our candidate, may very well open the door for our eventual cadidate to be more direct when leveling criticism of Obama.

Right now the entire Republican party is still under the impression that Obama is wildly popular and its simply his policies that aren't, whereas they are now both unpopular.

While I absolutely hate Trump, he is serving his purpose and we are still 19 months or so away from the election, so the whole Trump sideshow will be forgoton come election time, however the body blows trump landed on Obama won't be forgotten

Posted by: Ben at April 27, 2011 10:40 AM (wuv1c)

7 Trump is just like Obama - his sole discernible talent is self-promotion.

Posted by: That's Mr. Jehovah To You! at April 27, 2011 10:40 AM (QgAFR)

8 Rush wants an attack dog. That's all there is to it. He doesn't know anything about winning elections and he doesn't care about a candidate's sincerity -- he backed Romney last time around for God's sake. He wants this bombastic, attack-dog personality and that's really all he cares about.

Posted by: Caiwyn at April 27, 2011 10:40 AM (ttktr)

9 Repeat comment;

My only question for Trump; Hair Club for Men or cast-offs from a supermodels Brazilian wax?

Posted by: Marcus at April 27, 2011 10:41 AM (CHrmZ)

Trump is an ass.

Doesn't mean he can't be used to do some field work or bear the load, though.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2011 10:41 AM (khs+8)

11 ace, ** Somebody ** has to throw himself onto the barbed wire so that Mitt Romney can get the nomination. Might as well be Trump. -

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 27, 2011 10:41 AM (h6mPj)

12 Well because I've hit my limit with Trump stories for the day.

If anyone wants a story on the lighter side of things, read on. If not, skip

Man Moron on Meth arrested wearing an Oakland Raider's jacket, socks, a g-string, and a scrunchie around his junk.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 27, 2011 10:41 AM (OAarG)

13 If Trump ends up as the nominee, I'm moving to Texas and hunkering down. The country is frelled either way.

I am tired of statists in the GOP. We need to be rid of them.

Posted by: cranky-d at April 27, 2011 10:41 AM (SVFOd)

14 If independents, then Republicans even less so. Trump's base is located with working class independents and Dems. GOPer? No way.

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 27, 2011 10:42 AM (bgSjf)

15 Don't get bent out of shape. Rush is fairly straightforward "if you communicate a conservative message in a straightforward, unapologetic manner, I will laud you" Trump does that and is getting some cover from Rush.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 27, 2011 10:43 AM (QxSug)

He's sucking the air out of Bachmann and T-Paw thanks to this:

And the media is not covering Trump because they figure he has the best chance of unseating Obama. Surely Rush understands that.

I'd go further and say they think it hurts us. Which it certainly was when Birtherism was the main issue, though he did get Obama to play the trump (heh) early.

Posted by: Beagle at April 27, 2011 10:44 AM (sOtz/)

17 And I repeat, it is not true that "Trump is the only person taking Obama" on. A lot of people are. Palin. Bachmann. Even Boehner.

You ought to be flogged sir for putting Boehner in there. Boehner's moves look more like head fakes to appease, queue the derogatory music, Tea Party types.

Boehner hasn't consistently bulldozed Obama in any way. In fact, when challenged he folded like a lawn chair.

Bachmann is more like listening to Bobby's mother and seems way out of her depth.

Posted by: Marcus at April 27, 2011 10:44 AM (CHrmZ)

18 I think because he suspects like I do that Trump won't really end up running. This is just part of Operation Chaos part whatever, 2012 pregame spectacle. At least I hope it is. I posted this at the bottom of another thread, but I'll repeat it here. I keep hoping there is a bit of "shoot for the moon but land among the stars" mentality going on; that Trump will bow out as a presidential nominee but set himself up nicely to run for governor or mayor. Heaven knows that NY needs someone friendly to business at the helm. On to phase 2: RELEASE THE ~~KRAKKEN~~ TRANSCRIPTS!

Posted by: LizLem at April 27, 2011 10:44 AM (lSuMX)

19 That his "pro-life conversion" story sounds as if he made it up on the spot?

I could do better than that. Wait...

Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 27, 2011 10:44 AM (uqJo6)

20 yeah, what's with the scrunchie around his neck?

as for Trump, he's his own reality / game show, not a candidate. He's Perot with hair and and even bigger ego

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 27, 2011 10:45 AM (UqKQV)

21 Even Romney. Romney in always very, very critical of Obama. Posted by: Ace ----- What?! Did you catch him on Greta last night? At least two time Romney said "Obama is a nice guy, he just doesn't know how to..". That is pretty tepid criticism. Prefacing all your attacks with what a great guy your would be opponent is.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 27, 2011 10:46 AM (fCl9s)

22 Ace-integrative complexity is not new. It's just that we used to call it an inability to focus. But I guess your term sounds better.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2011 10:47 AM (fe+Ez)

23 um, diverting Media Anal Scrutiny away from other Rs is maybe not a bad thing

of course, they'll get to It sooner or later, and it will be intrusive and painful

( close your eyes and think of England )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 27, 2011 10:47 AM (UqKQV)

24 yeah, I suspect Caiwyn is right, for a different reason though. The talk-radio guys all support the same type of brash, trash-talking candidacies. Why? Because it's their own personality type. When you have a hammer, all the world looks like nails, etc. I have that personality type, a bit, too, but that doesn't mean I necessarily endorse it as teh best way to win. You know why? Because I have.... INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY I don't know what the fuck I think and that makes me smart.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 10:47 AM (nj1bB)

Moron on Meth arrested wearing an Oakland Raider's jacket, socks, a g-string, and a scrunchie around his junk.

Banana Clips are the new Scrunchie!

Posted by: Moron Accessory Czar at April 27, 2011 10:47 AM (khs+8)

26
1. The election is 18 months away.

2. No one, besides Trump, is actually making news.

3. Nature and politics abhor a vacuum.

If Pawlenty, Gingrich, Romney, and whoever want to be president, then they should go out and make news.

Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 10:47 AM (uFokq)

27 Rush is happy that someone on our side is actually giving interviews like the Dems have for years.

He answers questions the way you (Ace) have been begging to the GOP to do so for so very long. You have said we must get out points in, ignore the stupid questions, and educated the masses.

Trump is doing that.

He declared victory (when he lost)

He ignore 'you lost' question and went after the transcripts

He was talking about the BC yet slipped in high gas prices, transcripts, and questions sure to stick in the mind of stupid voters ('Why did it take this long?)

He also bragged about his 'power' and how sad it is that he has that much influence on the Commander in Chief.

He accused BO of being scared.

He is doing everything we wanted our candidate to do (no I don't want him to run).

He uses the MSM to his advantage. He doesn't give up. He doesn't need to reload - his gun is always full.

Posted by: momma aka inflate your tires at April 27, 2011 10:49 AM (penCf)

28 Rush made it clear today he hasn't come out supporting Trump - he's praising him for attacking Obama and literally as I typed this was saying the best way to get rid of Obama is to start hammering away at him and not allow him to get away with this stuff, taking the fight to Obama instead of playing defense. Trump, I guarantee, isn't going to last the week as a candidate. Maybe Friday, Saturday at the latest, but that's it. The COLB was the only reason he was getting any real poll numbers, let alone running away with the top spot - and THAT is why Obama released it today. He wants to take the wind out of Trump's sails.

Posted by: Jim_from_NJ at April 27, 2011 10:49 AM (WV8m9)

29 Rush is using Trump like the media whore that he is. He'll toss him away like a used rubber when he's shot all his load.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 27, 2011 10:49 AM (EL+OC)

30 Political correctness has no business in politics, but the only ones that are using it are the Republicans. Trump isn't really all that into PC, so he's doing what he does. Bachmann, Palin, not so much. Romney? Fuck that......Romneycare will never leave my mind. That guy is WAY to worried about his perfect hair anyway. SilkyPony anyone?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2011 10:50 AM (UK9cE)

31 If Pawlenty, Gingrich, Romney, and whoever want to be president, then they should go out and make news.

Agree. They should go out, get drunk and wear g-strings. Because not one of them will otherwise win the race.

At least if they look freakish, droll and under-qualified they have a chance. I mean c'mon 2008 wasn't that long ago man.

Posted by: Marcus at April 27, 2011 10:50 AM (CHrmZ)

32 I seem to miss the part where Rush is boosting Trump as a viable candidate. For example, I am listening to Rush right now saying that Trump is a populist (in a bad way) and not a conservative. He's also saying that Trump doesn't seem to understand Ryan's budget plan, that Trump's criticism of Ryan's Medicare proposals are populist and non-conservative.

Rush seems only to be pointing out that Trump is filling a void on the Republican side by standing up in a fearless-seeming manner to Obama. Rush admires how Trump is "taking it to Obama," but also says he (Rush) is hoping and expecting a solid conservative to step up and face down Obama in the same way.

"Is there anyone in our [the Republican] field who would say, 'Obama is a disaster'", Rush asks. Well, obviously, Sarah Palin would and does, but she is not yet in "our field" of declared or presumptive candidates, and she certainly may decide not to run in 2012.

So who of the various likely Republican candidates would be able and eager to step up and call Obama a disaster and a failure?

Posted by: stuiec at April 27, 2011 10:50 AM (ELpjS)

33 Obama is taking flak from Trump. Look at the media message. They are concerned about their guy. Instead of conservatives and republicans just staying the hell out of Trump's way, they feel the need to insert themselves into the conversation. If the school bully is getting his ass beat by a guy that I normally avoid, I don't take the side of the school bully. I stay out of the fight. Let Trump do the damage - he's not going to be picked, and the Obama camp now finds itself defending the campaigner in chief against a guy with a boatload of money. It's not my fight. Let them duke it out. When our side gets involved and defends Obama, it pisses off the base, and gives Obama a campaign commercial for next year.

Posted by: Dr. Eviler at April 27, 2011 10:50 AM (VtutD)

34
Maybe Trump will light a fire under the asses of the rest of the GOP field.

Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (uFokq)

35 You know why? Because I have....

INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY

I don't know what the fuck I think and that makes me smart.

Posted by: ace

Admission is the first step to healing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (6rX0K)

36 I agree with Liz - this is another Operation Chaos. And ace, are you trying to say you oppose Integration? Racccciisssssst.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (Y0wFY)

37 arrested wearing an Oakland Raider's jacket, socks, a g-string, and a scrunchie around his junk.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 27, 2011 02:41 PM (OAarG)

but were they argyle socks?

makes a difference you know

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (h+qn8)

38 My favorite idea is that Trump is a stalking-horse.

But whose stalking-horse?

Obama's?

Rush/Palin's?

Trump's?

Posted by: sock reaching limits of creativity at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (smvTK)

39 Rush isn't boosting Trump. He's merely saying Trump is the kind of candidate we'd like to see in others. And he's right.

Posted by: Sgt. York at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (LJBsr)

40 I'd say Trump is taking on *the media* as a proxy for Obama, and that is what is so satisfying. Trump is directly, fearlessly taking on the media for covering obama. The other candidates refuse to do that.

Posted by: kathleen at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (0IgN8)

41 "independents" don't make up their minds until days or maybe a week before the election. They don't like anyone, and often pick the Lesser of Two Evils

They also often / usually don't vote, and vote on "no issue content" bases like going along with their spouse, facial appearance, "his eyes are too close together" etc

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 27, 2011 10:51 AM (UqKQV)

Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 02:47 PM

I agree with this. Why get so worked up about Trump at this point? Whether he runs or not, he's pulling the conversation in a direction it needs to go in order to make electing anyone other than Obama possible.

Posted by: kwh9 at April 27, 2011 10:52 AM (YBypo)

43 >>>He answers questions the way you (Ace) have been begging to the GOP to do so for so very long. You have said we must get out points in, ignore the stupid questions, and educated the masses. >>>Trump is doing that. True -- except for the brashness and oft-unwarranted cocksuredness, yes, elements of his hard-charging style should be emulated. And I've said so. But I don't want him to win the nomination because he looks like a very tough candidate to actually push over the top in the general. See, I'm smart. INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY I agree with contradictory statements so I'm a fucking scholar.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 10:52 AM (nj1bB)

44 Taking a sock off. Although perhaps I should retain the handle here. It seems somehow appropriate . . .

Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2011 10:52 AM (smvTK)

45 Rush is using Obama like a Drift Sock.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2011 10:53 AM (khs+8)

46 Even Romney. Romney in always very, very critical of Obama. Except on the deeply unpopular Obamacare, which is modeled after Romneycare, and is deeply unpopular with 62% of Americans and facing legal challenges.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 10:54 AM (mHQ7T)

47 Kind or OT, but related:

NiceDeb (video of Red Eye asking same and SE Cupp's article on him) asks -
Why Not? McCotter For President
I really don't know anything about him. Will someone please put me some knowledge?

Posted by: momma aka 'its good to be in Sunshine!' at April 27, 2011 10:54 AM (penCf)

48 I'm a fucking scholar.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 02:52 PM (nj1bB)

What are you studying now?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, who is curious Yellow at April 27, 2011 10:55 AM (UqKQV)

49 My favorite idea is that Trump is a stalking-horse. But whose stalking-horse? Obama's. The answer is A.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (mHQ7T)

50 I agree with contradictory statements so I'm a fucking scholar.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 02:52 PM (nj1bB)

A racist Scholar, but a scholar nonetheless.

Posted by: Whoopi's Coitus at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (UK9cE)

51 I couldn't decide between honey or jelly on my toast this morning. So I had one of each.

INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (8bdLZ)

52 Good. We don't want him as the nominee anyway. He can be as deeply unpopular as he likes.

I thought ace was all politically astute, and shit.

Negative ads work.

Trump is just a walking negative ad campaign against Obama. The pollster should not waste their time asking how those ads make respondents feel about Trump popularity, since he's got no shot. They should be asking about how these ads make the respondents feel about Obama.

Compare and contrast this with Ron Paul:

One one hand you've got a guy with no chance in hell of getting the nomination rolling around in the mud with the President of the United States. In other words, to invoke the spirits of pedantic sitepests past: Preznit Easybake is punching down.

On the other, you've got a guy with no chance in hell of getting the nomination sending out his flying internet monkeys to attack every other conservative, neocon, paleocon, moderate, and squish RINO.

Unless Trump is really a viable threat to win the nomination or at least go deep into the playoffs, he doesn't hurt us a bit. With all his baggage, I doubt he is such a threat.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (oDMwn)

...and Trump is using Obama like a Toss Rag.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (khs+8)

54 I think Trump will overplay his hand and he will not get the nomination. However, he is preparing the battlefield for the real candidate, and that is a good thing. Obambi just gave it to him today with the birth certificate! Punching down!

Fight on, The Donald!

Posted by: PJ at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (POf3u)

55 You and Jeff B. seem to be overly worried that we're stupid enough to want Trump as our candidate. I want Trump to lead like I want our Afghan allies to lead our troops: walking point, with the firing pin removed from his rifle and a squeaky boot.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 27, 2011 10:56 AM (Y0wFY)

56 You know Ace I love you like my mother's brother's other son's second cousin Maurice, but can we just put paid to this Trump hump, pump and bump until we are, you know, within striking distance of a real election. Like Obama, I'd rather see your sterling intellect used on "the bigger stuff we have to do."

Posted by: vanderleun at April 27, 2011 10:57 AM (cswem)

57 Ace -

I already posted the answer to your question re: Rush in the other thread, so I shall repost here:

Hey, ever wonder why Rush Limbaugh, who is not a stupid man, has treated Trump with such kid gloves? It's not for his personal amusement, it's because he very smartly calculated that, this far out, Trump's wild shit-talking was seriously weakening Obama's mystique. Despite the Birther talk, Obama was taking body blows from Trump's willingness to call him out. Limbaugh doesn't want him as a GOP candidate either, but he understood that Trump was "softening him up" so to speak, laying the ground for the GOP to really rip him apart during the real campaign. Making it possible for them to take him on head-on without seeming gauche, or like they're commiting lese majeste, etc.

And now, I fear, that wonderful weapon in our arsenal has been blunted if not shut down completely. I'm not angry at Trump! In fact, if he gets away with this and goes on to be even more effective as a hammer against Obama, then no harm no foul. But I'm afraid Obama's move here was designed to neutralize one of the greatest threats against him. Dig?

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 27, 2011 10:57 AM (NjYDy)

58 Limbaugh knows Trump on a social level, specifically on the golfing scene. If you've watched any of the Golf Channel's Haney Project series with Limbaugh, you'll see Al Michaels & Limbaugh chatting about hanging out with Trump. I'm speculating that they're fairly buddy-buddy on a personal level.

Posted by: Fartnoise at April 27, 2011 10:57 AM (bCxgV)

59 Rush will have Mark Steyn on tomorrow and Friday. Blimey. I was hoping for Dr. Williams.

Posted by: Large McBighuge at April 27, 2011 10:58 AM (Mj95h)

60
re: Mitt on Greta saying Obama is a nice guy but...

This is worrisome. I understand Mitt doesn't want to get mired in the personal attacks. But you can accomplish that by not taking part in that sort of stuff. No need to qualify everything you say with a compliment or apology to Obama.

And I suspect Mitt won't be the only GOP contender to do this...again.

Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 10:58 AM (uFokq)

61 I won't consider this poll statistically honest. Because we question every other poll and talk about the skewed sample. We then rationalize the outcome.

Frankly, I don't need to examine the sample. I already know the outcome. There was an oversampling of a group they knew in advance would hate Trump.

Ex-contestants of The Apprentice hurt most.

I can do that because Ive got INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY.

Posted by: Marcus at April 27, 2011 10:58 AM (CHrmZ)

62 I really don't know anything about him. Will someone please put me some knowledge?

McCotter probably has the biggest brain in D.C. Plus, he's a nice guy, knows how to read the room. Brilliant on his feet. But I don't know if he has the "it" factor, whatever that is.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (8bdLZ)

63 True -- except for the brashness and oft-unwarranted cocksuredness, yes, elements of his hard-charging style should be emulated.

Yeah. That is why I really wish he didn't come out and say he was looking at occupying the WH. What he is doing is valuable, but I agree that his brashness will hurt the GOP nominee.

Posted by: momma aka 'its good to be in Sunshine!' at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (penCf)

64 This is what I think.

Rush likes that Trump is getting coverage on certain issues, he's even showing up on access hollywood and stuff, and Rush is talking trump up for 3 reasons.

1) To draw attention to the questions and the hard hitting campaign questions that the media should have paid attention to before the second term election cycle.

2) To keep the negative coverage of the serious 2012 hopefuls away from them until the primary season starts in earnest, because as soon as Rush throws his support behind anyone, Christ Matthews is gonna get witty with his insults and start calling them a baloon head, and sully will say that they never gave brith to a child and is a bad parent, and Larry O'Donnell will be saying that they misinterpret christianity and used to get stoned with whores, rather than stoning them.

So the more attention on an obvious loser in the primaries (if he actually runs) means that the media negatives are being absorbed by the clown rather than the serious candidates.

3) I think Rush might be really worried about Trump running as a third party Candidate, so by Rush "supporting" Trump, trump might stick it out through the primaries, because I think there is a time limit to register as a third party candidate. So with Rush on trumps side sorta trump will primary himself out of a third party bid by thinking he could take the republican nomination from the mores serious candidates, while Trump himself will act as a foil by which the serious candidates might demonstrate their statesmanship. Once that date (I'm sure there is one, but I don't know when it is) comes by Rush will begin to focus on the positives of the actual candidates.

sorta related, there aren't that many republicans making as much about running as trump, trump isn't the only game in town, but it's the only one worth watching right now.

Posted by: Douglas at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (YKOnu)

65 I'm a fucking scholar.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 02:52 PM (nj1bB)

What are you studying now?
---
That would be lots of porn. Duh

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (uqJo6)

66 My favorite idea is that Trump is a stalking-horse.

But whose stalking-horse?

I've gotta go with Clinton, Inc. One of the Morons made the astute point earlier today that Trump is politically a DLC Democrat, like Bill. Just listen for the cackle every time Trump lands a blow on Barry.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (cd11S)

67 OT/

I just realized that Allahpundit from over at Hot Air hasn't woken up yet. He has no idea the Birth Cert. has been released!

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (bAySe)

68 Stuiec seems to have it right, I was also listening to Rush at the exact same time, and I am glad he's clarified his position on Trump, because he has had him on the show twice! and he never interviews.....which gave me great pause.

I've always gotten the impression Rush is a Palin supporter.

That said I wouldn't put it past Rush AND Trump to have made some weird bet on the golf course along the lines Trump could get Obama to dance. I'l bet Rush owes him money.

Given the great pleasure Rush seems to have gotten from this wacky theatre today, it seems plausible. Pay the Donald, Rush.

Posted by: Derak at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (CjpKH)

69 Rush just laid into Trump about 20 minutes ago. He was lambasting him because he said he knows that Trump hasn't read Ryans plan but yet demagogues it.

Posted by: ScottInMiami at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (5ubdk)

70 So, if you have DIFFERENTIAL SIMPLICITY does that complete the CALCULUS OF SMARTITUDE?

Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2011 10:59 AM (smvTK)

71 Something about the guy, I admit, is appealing.

Combine a massive ego with a complete lack of self awareness and you frequently get unintentional comedy gold. It's hilarious to watch him act like a total dick and get away with it because he is literally incapable of understanding criticism.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at April 27, 2011 11:00 AM (+lsX1)

72 So lets support Huckabee, that's the consensus choice right, from the folks who saw fit to poll Charlie Sheen,(that's PPP)

Posted by: Randolph Duke at April 27, 2011 11:00 AM (AYwIq)

73 #8 Rush wants an attack dog, and he backed Romney last time around.

That is some complex fucking thinking right there, folks.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 11:00 AM (oDMwn)

74 Trump shows that willingness to fight. He is the only one who is potentially running that "is taking it to Obama."

I know this whole "stand and fight thing" is a strange thing to you more Establishment types instead of your usual strategy of just bending over and taking it but hopefully one day y'all will get it.

Posted by: GhostShip at April 27, 2011 11:00 AM (kWn29)

75 Rush Limbaugh's desire to buy a second boat and giant house affects all of us. You will get stuck with freakshow Trump, and Obama wins a second term.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 11:01 AM (mHQ7T)

76 My favorite idea is that Trump is a stalking-horse.

With that mane, I would agree.

Posted by: Marcus at April 27, 2011 11:01 AM (CHrmZ)

77 What does "negative capability" mean? Honestly never heard that and I've been around the campus left most of my adult life.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (QcFbt)

78 So, we're all in agreement then? Trump is an unacceptable candidate?

Good, I'm glad we have that straightened out. I'll go ponder this and report back in a while on what our next move is going to be.

Posted by: SeethsewerD2 at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (FYCiJ)

79 That would be lots of porn. Duh

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2011 02:59 PM (uqJo6)

Well, porn IS in 3-D now......

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (UK9cE)

80 Ben, at #6 is on to it. I'd add:

3. It is painless - Rush will not face any criticism for featuring Trump at this point in the game.

4. It is savvy - Trump is getting tremendous media attention, and his criticism are -at least- considered noteworthy, if not entirely credible. This places Rush squarely within the mainstream media's own determination of 'acceptable discourse.'

5. It is convenient - Trump has zero realistic chance of getting the Republican nomination, and zero chance of a third party run (who the hell is going to donate money to Trump, because Trump sure as hell is not going to spend his personal fortune on being another third party loser.) So Rush can easily distance himself when the time is right.

Posted by: ThomasD at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (il3MK)

81 Trump - Bold, aggressive, pushes the envelope, huge ego, knows he will never be elected to anything but likes to set the narrative. Rush - Bold, aggressive, pushes the envelope huge ego, knows he will never be elected to anything but likes to set the narrative.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2011 11:02 AM (TMB3S)

82 Rush said he doesn't think Trump will run. Unlike Ross Perot who was going to run, but was running to lose. or help Bush 41 lose.

Posted by: Bannor at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (6AXh/)

83 Thad McCotter should run against Debbie Stabenow for Senate in Michigan, and may just do that. (FWIW, there are already whispers out there that, one way or another, he will not run for reelection to his House seat in 2012. That would be a real loss if so.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (NjYDy)

84 ace,

If talk radio guys support brash loudmouthed candidates, how does #8 bolster the argument by citing Rush's support for Mitt Romney?

Help me out here.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (oDMwn)

85 I just realized that Allahpundit from over at Hot Air hasn't woken up yet. He has no idea the Birth Cert. has been released!

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 27, 2011 02:59 PM (bAySe)

I believe he's still rim-jobing his boyfriend as usual.....

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (UK9cE)

86 If Trump can pass off that pelt on his head as hair. He is a real teflon Don. If the zerO had any balls at all he would have told Trump "ill show you my birth certificate if you show me what's under your hairy pelt.

Posted by: Jackhole at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (+qHxi)

87 INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY

I agree with contradictory statements so I'm a fucking scholar.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2011 02:52 PM (nj1bB)

Naw, that's COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY is the White Queen:

Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Because I'm a fucking Nobel laureate.

Posted by: stuiec at April 27, 2011 11:03 AM (ELpjS)

88 Integrative Complexity? Lets talk about Integrative Stupidity...so someone in the WH or other decides to make the BC more readable, uses a program to layer the BC, giving the birthers another thing to hang on to because it looks like modification. Dumb and Stupid.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 27, 2011 11:04 AM (IXLvN)

89 Hey Ladies

Posted by: the Beastie Boys at April 27, 2011 11:04 AM (khs+8)

90 Right now this is a smoker.

Trump is in training and is working on his form. Is he a dancer? Jabber? Ringer? Bomb thrower? I say let him spar to show his stuff against Clubber Hussein and we'll eventually figure out if he's the next big contender or a long-shot flop artist.

As long as Hussein is absorbing blows, I'm happy.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2011 11:05 AM (AN8d5)

91 Trump is winning because he is a gimmick.

Palin was a presumed frontrunner for the same reason.

Next, maybe Snooki or Beiber will charge to the front of the pack.

That's what you get when the majority of Tea Party are "birthers" who are scared of "death panels." The Tea Party is all emotion.

The long slow work of educating people does not work in the 24 hour news cycle. So, maybe Trump will win. Maybe he's a Democratic plant. Maybe you are a shill for the establishment. Maybe I am. Maybe Huckabee is the real Republican values guy. Or maybe he is just a RINO. Or, maybe Romney is the good guy. That's the problem when the intellectual middle of the party is an unseasy alliance between social and economic factions, and the typical voter is rooting their philosophy in their feelings. If there were an intellectual backbone to the GOP, as their used to be, we wouldn't be so vulnerable to fickle forces. On the other hand, you'd have to settle with a longer electoral strategy that requires selling sound ideas to moderates.

Posted by: blip at April 27, 2011 11:05 AM (XIFQU)

Trump's useful NOW to finally get answers to some of the stupider non-issues, like the birth certificate and hopefully next - the transcripts. He's getting the media to focus on things the media should have investigated long ago (and would have if Obama was Republican).

I'll say positive things about Snookie for Rupublican nominee if she can get the transcripts.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 27, 2011 11:05 AM (GKQDR)

93 Trump can be the sheep you drive in to clear the minefield.

Posted by: nickless at April 27, 2011 11:06 AM (MMC8r)

94 I know this whole "stand and fight thing" is a strange thing to you more Establishment types What is the point of standing and fighting for shit that NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT and cannot be proven anyway? So, your plan is to ask Obama whether his was a gentleman's C at Harvard when he graduated MCL? Remember how bad it hurt Hilary that she wrote her thesis on Alinsky? Trump is wrong on everything. Starting a trade war with China will not bring us jobs, and "taking the oil from Libya" is not just impossible but a stupid idea. He sounds like a fascist headcase, and so do his supporters. Here we go again, spending another election talking about "the blacks," ass sex and balls.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 11:07 AM (mHQ7T)

Posted by: blip at April 27, 2011 03:05 PM (XIFQU)

Great minds. I have no real idea of who Snooki is aside from she's on Jersey Shore which I've never seen.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 27, 2011 11:07 AM (GKQDR)

96 INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY

I couldn't decide if I needed another cup of coffee or not, so I seviced my husband and went to bed.

Posted by: momma aka 'its good to be in Sunshine!' at April 27, 2011 11:07 AM (penCf)

97 shep smith is an absolute Odipstick supporter, he is as bad as chrissy matthews.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 27, 2011 11:08 AM (IXLvN)

98
Posted by: blip

STFU, dunce.

I remember the last time you posted here. Stick your moderation up your ass, mobes.

Posted by: Soothsayer, over easy at April 27, 2011 11:08 AM (uFokq)

Rush is just happy to seem someone who takes communication skills seriously. Like Thomas Sowell wrote this week:

What Trump has that so many other Republicans are so painfully lacking is the ability and the willingness to articulate his positions clearly, forcefully and in plain English...

Why Republicans seem not to understand the crucial importance of putting the same time and attention into articulating their positions as the Democrats do is one of the enduring mysteries of American politics.

Posted by: Matt at April 27, 2011 11:09 AM (ecpMe)

100 who is snookie?

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2011 11:10 AM (h+qn8)

101 Is Ace on crack again? A weird post just went poof!

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 27, 2011 11:10 AM (dDbkT)

102 Ace is learning Karate!

Post up!

Post down!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 27, 2011 11:10 AM (LH6ir)

103

What Trump has that so many other Republicans are so painfully lacking is the ability and the willingness to articulate his positions clearly, forcefully and in plain English...

Posted by: Matt at April 27, 2011 03:09 PM (ecpMe)

But, but.......Obama is "The Great Orator"!!!!!!! Why does he have so much problem communicating?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (UK9cE)

104 Trump is like a court jester ... he gets to the royal court, but never the throne

Posted by: Neo at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (tvs2p)

105 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 03:07 PM

Review JackStraw's post. Maybe that will help you understand.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (oDMwn)

106

What is Rush's plan here, exactly?

Rush's plan is the same as it has been for years and years:

1) boost ratings of my show

2) make big $$$$

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (VndSC)

107 "who is snookie?" A little person.

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (dDbkT)

108

However, Rush seems much more taken with him than just that. His praise is positive, not merely knocking away others' negative statements.

Rush, big time golfer

Trump, Big time golfer and golf course owner

simple.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 27, 2011 11:11 AM (pr+up)

109 like the birth certificate We have the answer to that, and each new inquiry will be met with eyerolls, because Trump has been discredited as a birther. You're alienating independents if you continue on this course. You got Obama to admit he's a Marxist in 2008. We know about Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, al Mansour, Rezko, etc. We will not know everything till he's out of office. But the best way to prove Obama is weak, stupid and anti-American is to talk up the things every American has seen with their own eyes. Bear in mind the average voter's attention span.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 27, 2011 11:12 AM (mHQ7T)

110 Fox does need to fire Shep "My sacred honor requires I reveal I had sexual relations with that woman. In her secret lady parts. Where sex happens." Smith.

Shep can go back to his roots as the spokestool for NAMBLA.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at April 27, 2011 11:12 AM (QcFbt)

111 Unfortunately, the typo in my first sentence shows I have meager communication skills.

Posted by: Matt at April 27, 2011 11:12 AM (ecpMe)

112 Posted by: blip at April 27, 2011 03:05 PM

Stupidity and fecklessness so dense it has its own gravitational field.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 11:12 AM (oDMwn)

113 Has anyone seen my crunchy fig? I could have sworn I left it here by the dancing fangs.........

Posted by: Barry the Poet at April 27, 2011 11:13 AM (OlN4e)

114

Obama will beat any known possible candidate on the radar........

Because when it comes down to it, DemonRats, Blacks, Homo's, and Commie's will not vote Republican no matter what, and the electorate will favor the DemomRats again this time around. Our only hope for victory is to figure a way to get his base to turn on him, or run some unknown guy that makes Reagn look like the Manager of your local Walmart.

Posted by: Jimi at April 27, 2011 11:13 AM (JMsOK)

115 Okay, as long as it's conspiracy theory day, let's throw this out. I don't believe for a second Trump is running-running for the republican nod. So what is he, and by extension Rush etc, doing? I'm thinking Trump has been drafted, willingly on Trump's part for PR, to be the point guy and take the hits. Knowing full well he intends to drop to the rear.

Trump, via GOProud's slot at CPAC, virtually torpedoed Ron Paul. Having been effective he's now moved onto bigger targets. The problem with messing with a guy like Trump. His ego. He's been great so far but in the end what if he gets full of himself and decides he can win?

Posted by: Rocks at April 27, 2011 11:13 AM (Q1lie)

116 Obvious question: Didn't we ally ourselves with Joe Stallin to crush Hitler? It seems to me that Rush sees a compelling personality with money, popular position and an axe to grind and is helping him. We did give Stalin a whole lotta materiel and money as long as he was killing Germans. Seems simple.

Posted by: Ginormous Goober DeLarge at April 27, 2011 11:14 AM (Q5+Og)

117 I can do that because Ive got INTEGRATIVE COMPLEXITY.

Posted by: Marcus

Dear God. It's contagious

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 27, 2011 11:15 AM (326rv)

118 Rush isn't boosting him at all, he's using him has a club to beat all the other Republican candidates. As Rush says, he is the only one taking it [the fight] to Obama. ALL the other candidates are mealy-mouthed weenies.

Posted by: Andrew at April 27, 2011 11:16 AM (Yvrvz)

119 If you had listened to Rush yesterday, you wouldn't have posted this.

Posted by: kdny at April 27, 2011 11:16 AM (3j6OS)

120 I didn't get the impression that Rush wanted Trump to be The Candidate.

I did distinctly hear him imply that Zero will dignify Trump with a response when he won't do that for Ryan, and that Ryan is who he's really scared of.

I also heard speculation that he did the announcement today to crowd out the news of Bernacke spooling up the turbines on his helicopter.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at April 27, 2011 11:16 AM (rVfMa)

121 Looks like Rush is using Trump as a tool attacking Obama.

Trump uses it to get attention.

Win win.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 27, 2011 11:18 AM (bAL0J)

122 #118 Obama will beat any known possible candidate on the radar........

Well, I guess we should just pack up and home. It is damned near impossible to beat an incumbent with under 50% favorability ratings, an economy in the toilet and rampant inflation.

Put it this way: If the economy in Fall 2012 is anything like it is today, Obama won't beat any known possible candidate on the radar......

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 11:18 AM (oDMwn)

123 And Pixy won't let me say why as apparently it is
annoying unbroken text".

Posted by: kdny at April 27, 2011 11:18 AM (3j6OS)

124 O/t: CNBC: Uncle ben's presser, "a news conference designed not to make news"

Posted by: curious at April 27, 2011 11:20 AM (k1rwm)

125 We are nominating someone with a very specific job to do, and that job is to beat Obama

The trouble is, after they beat Obama, they'll have a different specific job to do, and it's rather important that they do it well.

Donald Trump is an ass. He's a comedian. It's funny to watch him mock Obama, but he's no candidate for public office.

Posted by: sandy burger at April 27, 2011 11:21 AM (MT+0i)

126 Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 27, 2011 03:18 PM (oDMwn)

My dad keeps telling me that perot was a creation of the clinton, carville, morris, crowd, cause they knew Clinton couldn't win one on one and they had to introduce a third candidate. I keep thinking about that which is why though i really like trump, i wondered since he gave oodles of money to Ram if he was the ross perot figure for BO.

Posted by: curious at April 27, 2011 11:22 AM (k1rwm)

127

Trump is useful and using Alinsky methods back on The Won.

I wish Trump had a better record as a candidate. I also wish he did not have that complex comb-over and wear bronzer. I do like him much better than Obummer with the Twitching Nasal Mole any freaking day.

I am thankful for The Donald for starting the war on the lies this country has been fed by this Poser-in-Chief and this administration. Someone now needs to step up, or needs to by this fall. Ryan/Rubio, I am talkin' to you.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 27, 2011 11:24 AM (FnRYN)

128

@126,

I wish it was possible for you to be correct. You forgetting something and that is.....any country dumb enough to have allowed him to come to power is dumb enough to be manipulated into keeping him in power, especially when the media is entirely in the tank for him. The Propoganda Campaign will start to ramp up by the end of the summer, and it won't let up till the election.

You seem to believe that they actually used the Stimulus money for Stimulating.....I don't.....I believe the money will appear in the Summer of 2012 to temporarily make the economy appear like it's on fire, and I think we won't be allowed to hear about anything going on overseas.

But....Let's just say.....it would have been nice to limit him to one term.

Posted by: Jimi at April 27, 2011 11:25 AM (JMsOK)

129

What's with that "circus barker" crack? What happened to The New Tone?

(chortle, chortle, chortle)

Posted by: Optimizer at April 27, 2011 11:26 AM (2lTU+)

130

I always figure there's an "inside baseball" story we're not seeing, and people like Rush have info we don't.

My guess is, Trump knows he's not a real candidate, and whatever reason he's doing what he's doing now, it's effective. Rush will back Trump up and until Trump stops being useful to the party and to conservatives, and no further.

Posted by: Mr. Fire at April 27, 2011 11:28 AM (TOk1P)

131

Rush undoubtedly recognizes that Trump has the necessary "star power". It's an uphill battle to unseat an incumbant - even an incompetent one like Obama. It took Reagan to unseat lowly Jimmy Carter.

Trump is no conservative, and definitely not even a libertarian. Many of the things he says - on serious issues - are kind of stupid, to be honest. What Trump is, is a so-called "crony capitalist".

I'll take a crony capitalist over a socialist any day, but it's still pretty shitty.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 27, 2011 11:31 AM (2lTU+)

132 What is Rush's plan here, exactly?

My guess would be to increase his ratings. He is in the rating business and Trump is a rating booster. Nothing more.

I don't see anything else, just more money for Rush, unless Rush wants to be invited over to Trump's pad. They both live in Palm Beach. Sort of a neighbor helping out another neighbor.

Yeah that's it.

Posted by: Kemp at April 27, 2011 11:32 AM (JpFM9)

133

135 My guess is, Trump knows he's not a real candidate...

When will people get past this? Ever heard of a guy named Schwartzeneggar?

And in MN, they literally elected a clown to the Senate, for Christ's sake!

Posted by: Optimizer at April 27, 2011 11:34 AM (2lTU+)

134 Are you listening to a different radio show than I am? I do not hear Rush saying that Trump is a good candidate, or that he is conservative - I think he was talking about the Rahm Emmanuel donation yesterday. What I*do* hear him saying about Trump is that he is not afraid to "take it to Obama" and that actual Republican candidates should see that as a signal - the reason why Trump IS getting attention from conservatives is because he will, essentially, get in Obama's face/ I mean, think about McCain and all his talk about how Obama would me a perfectly fine President. Really? Loser talk. Rush said, way back when, he hoped Obama failed, and everyone - yeah, Gary Oldman in The Professional kind of EVERYONE - castigated him. Rush thinks that being critical of Obama is key. He isn't afraid to go negative. And neither is Trump.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2011 11:36 AM (Fw2Gg)

135 If we elect an ass like Donald Trump, his poor performance will further discredit right-wing ideas, and we will never get out of this statist mess we're in.

The stakes are very high right now. It is better for Obama to win than for a crappy Republican to win.

Posted by: sandy burger at April 27, 2011 11:38 AM (MT+0i)

136 Ted Nugent!

Posted by: Ted Nugent! at April 27, 2011 11:40 AM (xs5wK)

137 11 ace,

** Somebody ** has to throw himself onto the barbed wire so that Mitt Romney can get the nomination.

Might as well be Trump.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 27, 2011 02:41 PM (h6mPj)

+100

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2011 11:41 AM (U292F)

138 It's "operation chaos" all over again. Rush has schemes that play well with his listeners.... but if you ask independents, both Rush and Trump suffer the same way, they are gross. Amusing, but gross. People get mad because Obama had a good laugh over the birther thing. It is funny that people think that. But it says a lot that people would call Obama petulant for laughing at something that is laughable, but not reserve the same scorn for people who embrace such a laughable theory. Trump is the petulant one. And you can't even see it!

I am not saying this as a Republican. It's embarrassing to be a Republican. I am saying this as someone who voted for Obama, but voted for Republicans before that.

I look at all the Republican games and it all just comes across as trivial. The only issue of any substance, the deficit, is lost behind all this other nonsense. But still, you can't help yourselves. You'll call me a name before you admit it. And that's why you won't win, even in this bad economy, you won't be able to put up a candidate that can beat Obama. But, given the scope of the GOP plans to "fix" the deficit.... I am kind of glad of the fact. Obama is a far cry from perfect, but I'd rather deal with a known quantity than someone who will do anything to get people to buy their book or watch their teevee show.

Posted by: blip at April 27, 2011 11:43 AM (1WdUw)

139

And I repeat, it is not true that "Trump is the only person taking Obama" on. A lot of people are. Palin. Bachmann. Even Boehner.

Even Romney. Romney in always very, very critical of Obama.

And of course Gingrich, who has never had a kind word for Obama (unlike Trump, who once had plenty of kind words).

It is simply not true that "no one" is taking on Obama. Others are, but the media's not covering them.

None of them have found their sente yet.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2011 11:44 AM (U292F)

140 My dad keeps telling me that perot was a creation of the clinton, carville, morris, crowd, cause they knew Clinton couldn't win one on one and they had to introduce a third candidate. I keep thinking about that which is why though i really like trump, i wondered since he gave oodles of money to Ram if he was the ross perot figure for BO.

Posted by: curious at April 27, 2011 03:22 PM (k1rwm)

Your dad was right.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2011 11:47 AM (U292F)

141 2) To keep the negative coverage of the serious 2012 hopefuls away from them until the primary season starts in earnest

Yeah -- I don't take Trump seriously as a candidate, but he's at least running interference / drawing fire from the rest of the field for now, letting the Bolton / West ticket put itself together without getting undercut by the MFM.

Posted by: Alex at April 27, 2011 12:02 PM (/yzYn)

142 Rush isn't a GOP booster and hates the GOP almost as much as the Democrats. It isn't his job to make it easier for some (possibly more viable) GOP candidate to win; it's his job to talk about what he likes, and right now he likes how Trump is stirring things up. Rush is the first one to say that nobody in either party likes him, and it's because of exactly this. He thinks it's good policy now for someone to question Obama. But he isn't a mouthpiece of the GOP, and to start acting that way and to only endorse the most-solid GOP candidate would lessen his credibility as an insightful outsider.

Posted by: Mikey Mike at April 27, 2011 12:24 PM (M4i+4)

143

138

Sorry, what I meant is I'm guessing Trump is only pretending to be a candidate. I could be wrong, it's just a guess, but if it were true I could see how Rush would be in on it.

Posted by: Mr. Fire at April 27, 2011 12:25 PM (TOk1P)

144 It must be real embarrassing to be blip.

Posted by: Ronster at April 27, 2011 12:31 PM (CZBRL)

145 Big deal.

If Trump is so damn unpopular, he'll get quickly knocked out of the race during the primaries (assuming he even makes it that far).

I think Trump is a clown shoe, personally, and he's not getting my valuable SC primary Republican vote, but I'll *STILL* take him over Obama.

Posted by: looking closely at April 27, 2011 12:47 PM (PwGfd)

146 Rush is amused , election long way off. Trump is smackin big ears in the teeth. He won't run. Either way, eventually the Tea Party WILL be in charge. Just may take us awhile. I believe Allen West will be our first Tea Party Pres....

Posted by: marine43 at April 27, 2011 12:59 PM (EA2Cn)

147 Rush is enjoying Trump taking on JEF AND the media. He's questioned a lot of things about Trump as far as being our candidate so he's not propping up anything but the fight. Even if our side has been attacking Ã˜, the media have been ignoring them, but they can't ignore Trump because they think it's hurting the Repubs. Polling, and a produced B.C. today suggest the opposite.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at April 27, 2011 01:37 PM (UU0OF)

148
However, Rush seems much more taken with him than just that. His praise is positive, not merely knocking away others' negative statements.

Here's what Limbaugh's daily email summary of his show says:

Populism is Not Conservatism: Trump is not a conservative, but his tactics are useful.

I don't see that as support or being taken with Trump as much as an atta-boy.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 27, 2011 01:41 PM (1hM1d)

149

Trump is in the news...a lot. I am puzzled as to why the media is covering him so much especially on a subject obama has tried to downgrade. Rush doesn't necessarily have to think Trump has a chance but Trump is ankle biting obama and that's good. Also, Rush might have a plan in mind to punk the media agan.

I wouldn't underestimate Rush at a.

Posted by: BarbaraS at April 27, 2011 03:01 PM (jvOOf)

150

Rush; doesn't push as much as you might think. His(Rush) biggest point is that he is going after Obama and not backing down; i.e. he will ask controversial questions. Just today Rush talked about the problems D. Trump will have in an election; and how some of his views are not conservative; i.e. tariffs on China up to 25%.

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