1 How conservative is Trump? Not any at all

But he isn't a RINO. You have to be a Republican before you can be a RINO.  He is not a Republican.

2 Who cares what Trump has to say. He probably wont run.

3
He is just riding the publicity wave.  This is his bread and butter.

What I think the takeaway from this Trump stuff is that this PR-saavy guy has made the determination that being the thorn-in-Obama's-side is a great way to become more popular.  This says something about how the public feels about Obama right now.

4 Okay, if Trump can't get behind some variation of the Ryan plan- at least as a starting place- then he brings nothing to the table.

Social Con: Divorced how many times?
Military: Believes the war in Iraq was "the wrong move" and that he'd pull us out of Afghanistan.
Fiscal Con: ??? General mouthings about taxes and spending, but rejects the only sane plan currently on the table?

5 I don't think he's doing it just for publicity. I think he's really running. Whether he will flame out is another question, but I think he's currently pretty sure he's running. It makes no sense to offend the liberal media and take strong political opinions just for "publicity." Celebrities usually don't seek or want that kind of heat.

6 DIABLO...  Go F yourself Donald...   Ryan isn't even  a strong cut of current expenditures...

Zombie Chainsaw Al Dunlap 2012

7 He thinks this will sell cologne.

8 Trump says whatever pops into his head.

9 Trump said: I don't believe in ground troops, they just get blown up. Just what we need for a CIC.

10 His 15 minutes were up a long time ago, because he has an ego big enough to fill the airship hangar at Lakehurst I guess he figures this is his new gig...

11 You have to be a Republican before you can be a RINO.  He is not a Republican.

Harsh.

12 I think support of Trump is as close to a litmus test for conservatism or seriousness as you can get: if you support him, despite his favoring nationalized health care ("I am a liberal on this issue" <--holy shit how can anyone survive that statement?), despite his multiple failed businesses and bankruptcies (the man lost money running a casino, for fuck's sake), his horrid personal life, his multiple flip-flops on any and every issue of social importance...well if you support him despite all that then you're basically a brainless starfucker.  You just drool for anyone who flashes you some tit onstage, regardless. 

I haven't even mentioned the Birtherism!

Honestly, I do think he's an Obama stalking horse.   Okay, maybe I don't think it for sure, but I think it's sort of possible.

13 Too extreme? No shit? I listened to what he had to say right up to that point. No, he has one job. To be completely insane and bombastic so the other front running GOP noms. Look good to the independents. A useful billionaire idiot.

14  Or, make corporations pay what they owe.

If you're a knucklehead, not as good an option as sticking it in the middleclass ass. But a perfectly plausible, even obvious, solution.

15 I don't believe in ground troops, they just get blown up.

Seriously?  That is Biden-level stoopid. 

16 Trump really should be "running" as a Democrat.  That would make things interesting.

17 16, Good point, never thought of that.

18
I think he might run too.... but I don't really think he is serious about it.  I think that if he does actually run, he will be using the Republican Primary system as a stage for his publicity stunt. 

And I don't really think that he is offending the liberal media TOO much.  He gets cute from time to time with remarks like this about Ryan that make sure that he is walking a fine line. 

But he is also getting his little jabs in at Obama and he knows that a huge segment of the public is dying for a mainstream guy to do just that.

19 You know, if I were a shady businessman who regularly engaged in "aggressive" and "creative" accounting and business dealings ... and if I were concerned that the authorities were investigating me ... a high-profile presidential campaign against the incumbent would be  a really good way of making any such investigation look politically motivated and illegitimate.

Just a thought.

20 Then again, I doubt any Republican presidential candidate will strongly endorse the Ryan plan, either.

If we're very lucky, Ryan would.

21 Celebrities usually don't seek or want that kind of heat.

We wanted to change our audience.

22 Posted by: Charles Fourier at April 19, 2011 02:15 PM (5PiVP)

This wouldn't possibly be a troll referring to the fact that GE (yes, the company who has a C level employee now effectively a cabinet member) managed to shelter its funds (quite legally) to avoid paying any taxes this year, would it?  Because that would be a little hypocritical.

It also couldn't possibly be a troll trying to insinuate that the only party that wants to seriously cut spending is the SAME party that would be forced, inevitably, to raise taxes on the middle class, could it?  Because that would be positively insane.

Also:  HBDGAS

23 If you're a knucklehead, not as good an option as sticking it in the middleclass ass. But a perfectly plausible, even obvious, solution.

Posted by: Charles Fourier at April 19, 2011 02:15 PM (5PiVP)

Erg, you have a big problem. Obama paid a whopping 27% income tax on $1.7 Million in income. He didn't even pay the top rate of the evil Bush tax cut because he used every loophole available to him and other millionaires.

Your idol is a hypocrite but we already knew that.

24 Then again, I doubt any Republican presidential candidate will strongly endorse the Ryan plan, either. They'll say something weak like "it's a good start to a national conversation" or something. The right thing here is definitely not the popular thing, and I doubt many candidates will tank their chances for the sake of honesty and integrity.

Ahem. From back in December.

25

Celebrities usually don't seek or want that kind of heat.

Yeah, but at the same time, he, as a businessman, understands the value of the the publicity he's generating. It's of the type and quantity even he can't purchase.

IMO, he's not gonna run. He could be a thorn in Obama's side, but that's about all. He could also serve as the foil to bring up things that the mainstream GOP leadership cannot say. But, in doing that, the MBM will take him apart if they "pick" him as the front-runner, which I think they're salivating to do. They want him as The Vapid One's™ main opponent, so they can discredit the whole of conservatism.

26 Its all about Donald, not the country. Lighten up Francis. Donald is doing the deconstructive preliminary work on the WON. He has no serious plans to run. Merely bulldozing the rat infested condemned property known as JEF. Donald is using his media magnet to force the public to ask the right questions. Lord knows the media won't do it.

27 Being a politician is like being a cockroach and the media plays role as both the refrigerator to hide under and the spotlight for the big dumb giant to decide what to squash. I am always confuzzled how the conservatives are constantly looking to their politicians to restore their constitutional governance. If you want control of politicians you have to get control of the media. Otherwise, you will continue this game where all your crusading cockroaches get stomped right away and the only ones left are those hiding in the medias shadow. Not that I want the right to become just a new left with a media empire but you have got to at least achieve some sort of parity protect your own and get the worst of theirs ousted.

28 Aren't we all agreed that Trump is a liberal, Hillary-fan, douchenozzle?  I say we not post anymore about Trump.  Or comment.

29 erg's got nuthin.

30 I'm reading this morning that GOP Iowa caucus voters and SC primary voters are beginning to take The Donald (tm) seriously, after all. Why do Republicans hate winning so much? Do they enjoy being out of power? Can we stop letting Trump suck up all of the oxygen? He's an opportunistic parasite, that's about it.

31

"If he's not behind some variation of the Ryan plan, then, like everyone else, he's got two options: Raise taxes significantly on the middle class or let the country go bankrupt. Those options don't change just because he's The Donald."

Knowing that it's The Donald, I'm going to go with "Bankruptcy."
 Zing!

32 What America needs in 2012 is a fucking VIKING, not a schmoozer.

Posted by: Ingwee Moomsteen at April 19, 2011 02:20 PM (d1Reb)

Honey, where's my helmet with the horns?

33 Oh, and this may well be the first and last time I ever approvingly cite Mark Levin for anything, but he was right on the fucking money the other night pointing out how Trump has used his Big Business leverage to abuse eminent domain laws in an outrageous way, getting states to steal people's houses away from them for pennies on the dollar in order to convert the land into parking lots for Trump limousines. 

This guy is the worst of Big Business (the genuinely corrupt log-rolling side that gets in bed w/Big Government) mashed up with the dumbest of populist schtick, with no moral core at the center.   I'll admit that I enjoy it when he takes the stick to Obama (how could I not?) but no serious person should vote for him in a primary.

I would vote for Sarah Palin over Donald Trump in a New York minute in a GOP primary, and you all know how I feel about Sarah Palin.

34 Ace, has TP updated the image they're using? Because I see over there an image that does show the quoted language. Sure, they extracted words and phrases to make it, but it doesn't look like a stretch to say he's including Reagan in his characterization.

That said, I could care less what political views Trump holds. He's a clown, and not getting my vote. (Well, if he somehow became the GOP nominee, I suppose a clown would be better than Ear Leader.)

35 I really thought the Campaigner in Chief would start campaigning later and not this early but the guys always breaks the record for stupidity. No way he will live it down once Palin calls him out on it on tv.

36 Posted by: Olliander at April 19, 2011 02:21 PM (6uiF7)

Who the fuck are you?

37 So, if the current polls are correct, here is your 2012 Presidential choice: Donald Trump or Barack Obama.

Wanna buy a calendar?

38 Ryan's plan is too extremely timid.  Bigger cuts, much bigger cuts are needed to get ahead of the entitlement tsunami.

39 I really thought the Campaigner in Chief would start campaigning later and not this early but the guys always breaks the record for stupidity. No way he will live it down once Palin calls him out on it on tv.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:22 PM (QFDy/)

Question for you. If the R candidate is not Palin and maybe someone a bit squishier, do you still plan to sit out election day?

40

But the quoted passage does indicate misgivings about Reagan,

Actually, more than a 'misgiving,' it is the Standard Liberal Assessment of Reagan for decades: Reagan wa a B actor who lacked substance.

and demonstrates Trump's basic politic

See above.

 

41 Wanna buy a calendar?

Posted by: The Mayans at April 19, 2011 02:23 PM (2PTT7)

Yeah, but could you leave the heads on the hot Mayan chicks this time? The last one was disturbing.

42  Or, make corporations pay what they owe.

Ah yes, let us not forget the most expensive, least efficient tax collecting mechanism in the US. But it is the best way for liberals to tax the middle class and the poor without actually saying they are taxing the middle class and the poor. All we see is all of our sh*t just costs more, we don't even get a sales tax reach around to tell us how much of the food on our families table is hidden corporate taxes. Oh erg, why do you hate the poor so? Such that you want to crush them with inflation and hidden corporate taxes?

43 We need to cut spending, but if a politician seriously cuts spending, he won't get re-elected, and his cuts would get undone. This has been true since the 1970s. That's why we are so screwed.

The people are the problem. We need a clear majority that wants to cut spending, especially entitlements.

44 Question for you. If the R candidate is not Palin and maybe someone a bit squishier, do you still plan to sit out election day? Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 19, 2011 02:24 PM (EFot6) Depends on the candidate. I would vote for Pawlenty for example. But who else but Palin would really attack Obama. The other candidates are really vanilla.

45 4 Fiscal Con: ??? General mouthings about taxes and spending, but rejects the only sane plan currently on the table?
________

Far as I can tell, his plan to balance the budget is to raise tariffs on imports.

46 There are two Americas, -People whose drive small to medium size cars but whose gas budget comes out of the food-vacation budget. -Rich white leftists who celebrate high gas prices because it means us rubes will stop driving so much. I don't know about you all but I hate that group so much I will happily ally politically with anyone we can stomach to put a stop to them.

47 He goes after Obama on the birth certificate, he wants a trade war with China, he wants to sue PEC, that sounds more like Andy Kauffman level stunts, not any serious policy, and the fact that he accused Bush of 'lying us into war' just like
Joe Wilson should tell you where he really stands,

48 Such that you want to crush them with inflation and hidden corporate taxes?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 19, 2011 02:27 PM (vULTR)

I'm intrigued by your newsletter and would like to subscribe to your jib.

49
what's the Trump plan?

50 All Trump cares about is himself and what can be done to aggrandize the Trump name. He's selfish and a bit of an egomaniac. I will not vote for him.

51

If the Donald doesn't grasp the simple math behind Ryan's Budget and the great importance of cutting the size of government, then he can't possibly be serious about running.

Wouldn't Trump be doing the country and conservatism a big favor by backing Ryan and establishing himself as a true fiscal conservative? The fact that he doesn't tells me he ain't gonna do it.

He could be explaining the budget and Obama's effort to bankrupt the nation on the national stage. I'm disappointed that he's not doing it.

52
Wow, this article in the sidebar is F'n comedy:

http://tinyurl.com/3zelqhf

Seriously....  classic.  A parody could not be a better hack partisan piece.  I would love to sit down for lunch with whoever wrote that bit and just ask: "really?"

53 What would The Donald plan to do about mechanations such as this?

Iran plans to expand relations with BRICs

54 what's the Trump plan?

Posted by: Soothsayer Sheen at April 19, 2011 02:31 PM (uFokq)

Negotiate payments and interest rates with creditors, declare bankruptcy, protect assets...hey.  Maybe Trump is the right guy at the right time.  Who better to lead the USA through a bankruptcy?  Honestly.

55

Oh, Lord. It just keeps getting worse.

Pundits wouldn't take him seriously, apparently forgetting the likes of Obama, Schwartzenegger, Hulk Hogan, and Al Franken - celebrity candidates, all.

I was always stunned whenever "the Donald" spoke about anything having to do with the economy. I couldn't believe a top businessperson could prosper while being so downright clueless. But, then, his industry is the real estate in NYC - so how attached can that possibly be to the real word? He must be a master of crony mercantilism. That's not really what we need right now, to say the least.

56
just listened to Rush's last segment. Pretty fiery. His message to the GOP: stop being pussies.

Rush thinks the White House is ours for the taking. I concur...but only if we nominate someone who will actually want to defeat Obama.

57
I think my favorite part from the article is:

>>> High prices lead to lower prices. Mackubin Thomas Owens, a professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College and editor of Orbis, the journal of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, theorizes that if gas prices rise enough, the government will open up areas now closed to oil production, and oil companies will be able to invest in more-expensive methods of extracting oil. Soon we will be drowning in the stuff, and prices will drop again

So if high prices lead to low prices.... then isn't that bad because low prices are bad since high prices are good...... AHHHHHHHH MY BRAIN HURTS

58 I would vote for Pawlenty for example. ... The other candidates are really vanilla.

Really?  You example of a non-vanilla candidate- other than Palin- is Tim "Whose that guy with the governor's wife" Pawlenty?

59 Ah, I was trying to find where you got the "con man" language. Finally found it -- in the headline, of course! That's where they get to take liberties. In the body, the argument is weaker -- that Reagan could "con people" for a time. And in the quoted passage, it's even weaker -- that Reagan was a example of someone whose promises were beginning (this was written during his second term) to be questioned. Trump doesn't even explicitly say that he's on of those "people" who is questioning the issue, just that some vague collection of critics existed. Well, duh, welcome to politics.

60 Man I am SO FUCKING EXCITED about the prospect of $5/gallon gas!

61 I'm pleased to announce that the emergency is over.  You may now return to your regular program of hating the Jews.

62
Negotiate payments and interest rates with creditors, declare bankruptcy, protect assets...

get divorced, get married, sign a pre-nup with America, call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig...

Maybe he is worth a second look.

63

Who better to lead the USA through a bankruptcy?

Hmm, that's a good point. He does have experience with that.

It's too bad he doesn't want to divorce America from progressivism...

64

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:29 PM (QFDy/)

It's really too bad that only a "PURE R" would motivate you to vote against the JEF who is destroying our nation. Sad really.

65 Man I am SO FUCKING EXCITED about the prospect of $5/gallon gas!

Posted by: New MSM Meme Generator at April 19, 2011 02:35 PM (yemTi)

The Earth will begin to heal, the oceans will stop rising.

I keep my promises, bitch.

66

Jeff B putting the wood to Trump - well done.

I can't believe I just said that.

67 +4 true but sad "We need to cut spending, but if a politician seriously cuts spending, he won't get re-elected, and his cuts would get undone. This has been true since the 1970s. That's why we are so screwed."

68 All Trump cares about is himself and what can be done to aggrandize the Trump name. He's selfish and a bit of an egomaniac. I will not vote for him.

Posted by: Carmelo Anthony at April 19, 2011 02:31 PM (1fB+3)

Looks like someone won't be getting an invitation to ride on the luxurious Trump Air Force One.

69 Posted by: dan-O at April 19, 2011 02:34 PM (bRLuD)

The stupid.  It burns.

So, because of all these things THAT ARE BAD WHEN ACTUALLY CONSIDERED PROPERLY are true about higher gas prices, higher gas prices are good.

70

The Cabbage Smasher says that Trump is in!

And so it will be.

 

71 Really?  You example of a non-vanilla candidate- other than Palin- is Tim "Whose that guy with the governor's wife" Pawlenty?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 02:34 PM (8y9MW)

No he is really vanilla. I would vote for him though.

72

It's really too bad that only a "PURE R" would motivate you to vote against the JEF who is destroying our nation. Sad really.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 19, 2011 02:36 PM (EFot6)

Tim Pawlenty is not one though. Who are you supporting?

73 Rush thinks the White House is ours for the taking. I concur...but only if we nominate someone who will actually want to defeat Obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer Sheen at April 19, 2011 02:34 PM (uFokq)

You betcha'

74 Posted by: dananjcon at April 19, 2011 02:39 PM (pr+up)

Oh, please no.  Cabbage smasher can just go away.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:40 PM (QFDy/)

Ah.  That makes more sense.  I would have a hard time voting for Mittens (still can't get past RomneyCare) or Huckster.  The rest of the field would be fine- assuming they won the primary.

75
If my memory serves me, Trump spent most of the '90's as being regarded as a buffoon and a failure.

Then all of a sudden he's a billionaire businessman, again.

76 Honestly, I do think he's an Obama stalking horse.

Being deployed against whom? There's no potentially Obama-beating Republican whose support Trump is reducing. There's no potentially Obama-beating Republican, period, so Trump's opportunistically bigfooting the job, presumably for extra-political gain.

It would have been easy to for a GOP candidate to hold the ground Trump has suddenly—and effortlessly, note—occupied, by adopting a similar don't-give-a-fuck posture. But that'd be winning. And there'll be none of that.

Trump is proving quite handy to the permanent-minority GOP, not to Obama (except by proxy). By coming out against Ryan, specifically, Trump casts his own dipshit non-ideas as the polar pair of Ryan's, when the real opposite of Ryan's b.s. is actually cutting stuff. And excluding actual cutting from the world of possible things is the GOP's dipshit plan.

77

. Who are you supporting?

Satan if he is the R nominee

78 Ah.  That makes more sense.  I would have a hard time voting for Mittens (still can't get past RomneyCare) or Huckster.  The rest of the field would be fine- assuming they won the primary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 02:42 PM (8y9MW)

I would not vote for Mitt or Huck though. Only those two candidates I wont vote for. Sorry but that is how I'm doing it.

79

I just watched Trump's interview that ace linked.

He didn't say Ryans plan was to extreme. Maybe ace and the corner got that from Think Progress.

He did say he thought Ryans plan was too far out in front on Medicare, whatever that means but he mentioned nothing about it being extreme.

I am going to keep and open mind about Trump, he has all the liberals and a bunch of the republican establishment in full attack mode so he's doing something right.

80
It would have been easy to for a GOP candidate to hold the ground Trump has suddenly—and effortlessly, note—occupied, by adopting a similar don't-give-a-fuck posture.

This is an excellent point.

The lack of Republican leadership created a vacuum that has allowed a Trump to step in.

81  Sorry but that is how I'm doing it.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:45 PM (QFDy/)

You have now officially lost all right to bitch about anything The JEF does. Not one fucking complaint out of you. Not one...

82

Did Obama's 'Peace Million' ever show up on his Tax Forms?

I recall his claims that he would donate it to charity, but can't recall his charitable contributions ever exceeding 1 mil.

83 I can't see Trump doing well when the primaries really start getting fired up.  He really hasn't expressed anything that comes close to core values about the country as a whole.  Plus, I believe we won't see the whole field of repub candidates until later this summer. 

84 The Donald needs to get this out of his system and quit. Then he needs to convince Hillary that running from the left against Barky in the DemonRat primaries is the best thing for the country. And the great thing is, he would be right!

85

You have now officially lost all right to bitch about anything The JEF does. Not one fucking complaint out of you. Not one...

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 19, 2011 02:47 PM (EFot6)

The JEF?

86 I would not vote for Mitt or Huck though. Only those two candidates I wont vote for. Sorry but that is how I'm doing it.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:45 PM (QFDy/)

Would you vote for Obama over them, then?

I wasn't fully following politics until just before the 2008 election (I'm still young), so I probably can't understand the pain conservatives felt at having to vote for McCain, but now that we understand just how bad Obama is, would you pass over a flawed candidate to him back into office? I have a hard time believing any potential GOP candidate being worse.

87 One good thing about him running will be that his wife's internet videos will finally be getting some exposure. 

88
An important endorsement for the Donald:

Gary Busey

89 Would you vote for Obama over them, then?

I wasn't fully following politics until just before the 2008 election (I'm still young), so I probably can't understand the pain conservatives felt at having to vote for McCain, but now that we understand just how bad Obama is, would you pass over a flawed candidate to him back into office? I have a hard time believing any potential GOP candidate being worse.

Posted by: JoeInMD at April 19, 2011 02:49 PM (PIahf)

No. I just would not vote for a President.

Research Huck a bit and it will show he is not a con. Neither is Romney. They would give us another Obama like Bush did. They would also do nothing because they would be called mean things.

90 You morons need to get past the media image and listen to a man with actual business experience and a track record of dealing with debt in the billions of dollars. Who else has that resume? Plus, he knows what many don't: Our History bears me out on this: in a Trump presidency, the first two years could see him negotiate both maturity extensions and reductions in debt face value while retaining a healthy economic growth and preserving the convertibility of the US dollar. OR He could trot out a new, younger, built-for-speed, busty Ukrainian sexbot. Either way, let's not be too quick to judge.

91

The JEF?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 02:48 PM (QFDy

The Jugeared Fuck. Obama.

You have stated that you will only get your ass up and go vote if it is one or two candidates. Which means, you will deny a vote against The JEF if the stars don't align the way YOU wish. So, I don't want to hear any complaints out of you from here on out. Ever.

92
re: Ace's addendum for Trump's party-switching

If you think McCain's "maverick-isms" bothered you...

93 It would have been easy to for a GOP candidate to hold the ground Trump has suddenly—and effortlessly, note—occupied, by adopting a similar don't-give-a-fuck posture.

This is an excellent point.

The lack of Republican leadership created a vacuum that has allowed a Trump to step in.

Posted by: Soothsayer Sheen at April 19, 2011 02:46 PM (uFokq)

The vacuum he filled so far is the rhetorical one. It's a vacuum all unelected politicians fill. I have enough unelected folks spouting ideas I believe in. I require someone who can be elected.

 

94 The other candidates are really vanilla.

I was surprised when I checked out Ryan at the 'On the Issues site. He is actually to the right of Bachmann. Bachmann is just more vocal.

Right now my top 3 candidates are Palin, Bachmann, and Ryan. I will not firm up though until after the debates.

I fully expect Huckleberrydouchehound to win Iowa and Romneybot to win NH. There is no clear lead in SC and the upcoming debate will help solidify that....assuming the assholes get off the dime in time.

95

You have stated that you will only get your ass up and go vote if it is one or two candidates. Which means, you will deny a vote against The JEF if the stars don't align the way YOU wish. So, I don't want to hear any complaints out of you from here on out. Ever.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 19, 2011 02:52 PM (EFot6)

Pay attention. I said I would not vote for two of the 10 or so candidates if the get the nom.

96 If I want an ideologically inconsistent guy to go down to defeat speaking Conservative Truth to Power, I'll go with Newt Gingrich.

97
I'm sure Ivanna will soon rear her ugly plastic head and throw a monkey wrench in Donald's plans.

Bitter ex-wives have a way of doing that.

98 in 1999 he switched to the Independence Party because he was thinking of running for Perot's semi-party nomination.

In 2009, he switched from Democrat to Republican. I guess he switched from Independence to Democrat between 1999 and 2009.

So he's a political hermaphrodite?

99 Why are we wasting so much time on this mouth with a troll-doll haircut?

100 Donald Trump thinks Paul Ryan is an extremist too, eh? That's interesting, because Ryan thinks the same plan is "modest".* So I'm can't vote for someone who uses liberal rhetoric instead of offering constructive criticism. Trump also needs to do some soul-searching about the looming economic catastrophe if he truly believes what's necessary is extreme.

_{*A few more House Rs have jumped ship, unfortunately.}

101 When I first heard Trump was thinking of running, I thought "Really?  Ha!"
Then I gave it some more thought, and listened to things he was saying and thought, "Well, maybe."  Then people brought up things from the past (I hadn't realized he'd been a Democrat, for instance, as well as a few other things), and he gave some interviews that I got to hear live- instead of just excerpts later- and now I'm thinking, "Go.  Away."

The problem, as I mentioned in a thread yesterday (IIRC) is that I don't think- now that he's publicly set this course- that his ego will let him do anything other than run for President- if he can do so as a Republican, he'll be fine with that- but he would run Independent in a minute, if he found himself a candidate without a party.

102 Trump also needs to do some soul-searching about the looming economic catastrophe if he truly believes what's necessary is extreme.

_{*A few more House Rs have jumped ship, unfortunately.}

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 19, 2011 02:57 PM (uVLrI)

He didn't say Ryan's plan was to extreme. Ace copied "too extreme" from the corner. I don't know where they got it.

Trump did not say that in his interview.

103 Didn't Trump's golf course near Portuguese Bend, due to seismic activity, lose three holes on the back nine to the rising tides of Mother Gaia? 

Shrew businessman, he is.

104
Ryan's plan is already tainted. The GOP didn't organize properly and promote his plan BEFORE it was revealed and before the Democrats could form the tarnishing narrative.

So now all that people know about Ryan's plan is that "guts" medicare and "gives tax-cuts" to the rich.

Again, the vacuum thing.

105 I fully expect Huckleberrydouchehound to win Iowa and Romneybot to win NH. There is no clear lead in SC and the upcoming debate will help solidify that....assuming the assholes get off the dime in time.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 02:54 PM (M9Ie6)

Schmuckabee wont run. A Palin run would halve his base once she starts warming up, what is the point? He hates Mittens. He also has that thing with Maurice Clemmons going on. Plus, he likes his comfy job at Fox news and has a 3 million dollar mortgage on a house in Florida. He needs to pay that off and he SUCKS at fundraising. His purpose of announcing in the summer I believe was to see how Palin would fair. However she seems to be sticking it to him by not announcing too soon.

106 To hell with Trump.

On to other news: Now that CNN has failed the Administration by not doing the job our intelligence divisions should be doing, guess what network the White House has turned to?

Today, when he visits the White House, officials tell him they watch AJE to monitor the protests, and at the State Department, “when you go down the hallway, you see it on virtually every TV and computer.”

107 @110:  Ulululululululu!

Now where's that goat costume for Kal Penn?

108 Schmuckabee wont run.

If he doesn't I expect Romney to take Iowa then. This is why I hate the Republican Party leadership. Republican voting States should go first. Perpetual Dem States should go last.

And if they really want bellwether States then run the tossups first like Ohio and Florida.

109 Ryan's Plan: too extreme How we got into this mess in the first place: a good start, but just a start.

110

I have failed to be a discerning news consumer. Is it a merely an assumption that Trump would run as a Republican because he's attacking Obama? I don't remember him saying it; I only remember him saying he's thinking about running and speculating about an independent run.

For what it's worth, I don't put a whole lot of trust in Trump. But it is nice that someone is taking on Obama, even if its a false flag triagulation on the birth certificate issue. Conservatives can put some dents in the Obama brand and distance themselves from the birther slur by continually pointing out the effort of Obama to obscure every aspect of his past, even the most mundane documents. The point here is to show what he does, how he acts because you allow the indies the opportunity to conclude that how he acts tells us who he is. [yeah, probably a naive hope]

Conservatives need to see the scope of the Alinski tactic here both offensively and defensively and react accordingly. Obviously the offense is the personal attacks on specific individuals [Palin, Ryan, Bachmann]. The defense is more nuanced. First the pre-emptive autobiographies. Second the withholding/scrubbing of public records. One purpose of the bios and the withouholding of info [in addition to controlling the narrative] is to reduce the target area for conservative counter-attack. Exposing the tactic though has the Alinsky effect of personalizing the target.  Obama's failure to disclose details normally disclosed by the usual pol should be continued. No expectation that the MFM will do this. Obviously. We, as individuals, are the ones who will have to push this narrative. However, it is only one of many tools.

111

You're all props.

Me too. We're part of the Inevitable Trump Seeks the Nomination reality TV show.

Sure, he might be hoping that lightning strikes and he pulls it off. Not likely, but worth a shot, for him. Either way, he's not coming out of his empty-handed. Smile and play the part.

112 If he doesn't I expect Romney to take Iowa then. This is why I hate the Republican Party leadership. Republican voting States should go first. Perpetual Dem States should go last.

And if they really want bellwether States then run the tossups first like Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 03:04 PM (M9Ie6)

 

My cure for all of this is to have the repub. primary election for all the states on the same fucking day.  I'm getting tire of the northeast and midwest choosing the repub. candidates. 

113 Ryan's plan isn't extreme enough.  We should be taking a chainsaw to Dept Ed, Dept of Energy, HUD, Interior, State, and very selected aspects of DoD.

114 If he doesn't I expect Romney to take Iowa then. This is why I hate the Republican Party leadership. Republican voting States should go first. Perpetual Dem States should go last.

And if they really want bellwether States then run the tossups first like Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 03:04 PM (M9Ie6)

Yeah right. Him beating Palin after she starts campaigning? I doubt it. Huckabee will also try to kneecap romney from his show.

115 What happened Vic you didn't use a derogatory nickname for Romney in your last post. You going soft?

116
> 114  "Is it a merely an assumption that Trump would run as a Republican because he's attacking Obama? I don't remember him saying it; I only remember him saying he's thinking about running and speculating about an independent run."

That's what I've been wondering. Bad Hair keeps saying, "I think you'll be surprised!" when people ask him when he's going to announce.

117 He could trot out a new, younger, built-for-speed, busty Ukrainian sexbot.

Isn't Melania Yugoslavian?

/heads off to do some in-depth image searching

118 Hey y'all.  Here's an article that will have you torn between busting your gut laughing or having the veins pop out your head:

"Why you should love $5 gas" (MSN Money)
http://tinyurl.com/3eqgbzq

119
>117 Ryan's plan isn't extreme enough. We should be taking a chainsaw to Dept Ed, Dept of Energy, HUD, Interior, State, and very selected aspects of DoD.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 19, 2011 03:12 PM (LLyvE)

Mark Steyn said something like that the other day. At least one cabinet-level position needs to go.

120

Ah: A commenter notes at the top of the page Trump is generally talking about politicians not being "able to deliver the goods." Still, it's not directly matched to Reagan (kinda-sorta), and I still see no "con man" connection to Reagan.

Why is so important whether or not Trump said Reagan was a "con man" when he clearly said there probably was not "anything beneath that smile"..?

That's standard, liberal Reagan-bashing.

121 Yeah right. Him beating Palin after she starts campaigning?

I have said it many times, I do not think Palin will run. Especially if Bachmann runs.

122 Al Jizz in the White House.  You can't make this stuff up.

123 I have said it many times, I do not think Palin will run. Especially if Bachmann runs.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 03:17 PM (M9Ie6)

Did you watch he Wisconsin speech? She dropped an unofficial announcement I think at the end. Sarahpac got a new website too. It looks campaigny.

124

Did you watch he Wisconsin speech? She dropped an unofficial announcement I think at the end. Sarahpac got a new website too. It looks campaigny.

 

Sounds like she hired my voice coach, too!

125 "Why you should love $5 gas"

I couldn't resist tweeting about that one when I saw it.

126 125 Yeah right. Him beating Palin after she starts campaigning?

I have said it many times, I do not think Palin will run. Especially if Bachmann runs.
Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 03:17 PM (M9Ie6)

There was a big rooba-rooba the other day over Palin's new SarahPAC website. Everyone thinks it's a signal. So I checked it out. It manages to avoid any mention of her own plans, while explicitly showcasing politicians she supports. The PAC appears to be aimed at sending money to those and similar pols.

Makes ya wonder.

127 Is it not becoming obvious that Ryan is the only one who has the ability to explain all this and actually pull the country from the cliff?

128 "Why you should love $5 gas"

That is the most disjointed rambling nonsense I've read since I finished The Da Vinci Code.

129 Al Jizz in the White House.

Finally, a news organization that might ask Ogabe uncomfortable questions.

130 That is the most disjointed rambling nonsense I've read since I finished The Da Vinci Code.

Obviously, that MSN writer was off their meds.

131 I haven't watched the speech but I have been to her site. I still don't think she will run.

But, as I said earlier, she is in my top three list of potential candidates.

132 I am fully erect imagining the ragespittle that will fly between Jeff B., Jeff B.'s girlfriend, and Jeff B.'s girlfriend's mother (who thinks her daughter could do so much better than Jeff B.) if Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee.

133 16 Trump really should be "running" as a Democrat. That would make things interesting.

Posted by: filbert at April 19, 2011 02:16 PM (smvTK)

Hmmm.... intersting thought...

Will he pull more Blue Dog Dems from Obama, than he would Pull Repub Base?

There are a LOT of folks who vote AGAINST Republicans, and thus are a lock for the dems.... now... with a Social Lib/ Fiscal Con INDEPENDENT running, do these people vote for him? (or at least a good percentage of them)....

We need to look a LOT deeper at the numbers...remember these straw polls are of REPUBLICANS, not of all voters...

134

Trump as the Alinsky-ite foil to Preznit Lemon Squeezer is just too good to be anything other than wishful thinking. At best its just a fortunate by-product of a showman's loud mouth. To credit the GOP with this level of forward thinking is too much for me to believe. Let the Trumpster do his thing, in the end he will not run, he will piss-off the JEF and he will get more people to listen and become engaged in the process and issues. Trump pointing out flaws in the GOP candidates is not a bad thing either. 

135 136 I am fully erect imagining the ragespittle that will fly between Jeff B., Jeff B.'s girlfriend, and Jeff B.'s girlfriend's mother (who thinks her daughter could do so much better than Jeff B.) if Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2011 03:26 PM (Y0wFY)

And Jeff B.'s roomate's cousin.

136

>>>Who are you supporting?

>Satan if he is the R nominee

Hear fucking hear.  This.

137 About that Wisconsin speech. One of the lamest aspects of the entire right-o-sphere is the utter incompetence in putting on a show.

From a modest townhall to the national convention, it's all a show. You run the basic setup like you're doing a show. You don't just get some fool with a porta-PA and a $10 mic and start yappin'.

Palin probably felt like she had to scream the entire speech because she couldn't hear herself well over the noise. That's pathetic. A decent monitor setup would have made her feel like she was on a stage inside a ballroom.  But No0oO0Oo. Our side goes with the lame setup. We're just lucky it wasn't squealing the entire time.

Get a pro sound company to run the damn sound. Bring the watts. We need more watts!


(This comment not intended as an endorsement for any website, especially ones with the letters, "watts" in the middle, even though you should check those sites out to be informed)

138 Palin probably felt like she had to scream the entire speech because she couldn't hear herself well over the noise.

What they should have done is hired a large squad of thugs to beat the hell out of the union thugs that were disrupting the speech.

All the party hacks need to be prepared for that in the upcoming elections.

139 >>>I am fully erect imagining the ragespittle that will fly between Jeff B., Jeff B.'s girlfriend, and Jeff B.'s girlfriend's mother (who thinks her daughter could do so much better than Jeff B.) if Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee.

Dude, make no mistake -- if Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee I will silently fear the worst but I'll *still* drag me and everyone else I can get across broken glass to vote for her in November.  I wouldn't support her in a primary, I worry she wouldn't be a great President in terms of raising up the GOP/conservative brand, but you'd have to shoot me in the face to prevent me from voting for her in a general election if it comes to that.

140 Shit, #143 is supposed to be me.

141 Are there any State level elections, like Prosser's, coming up that we can use to test some of these candidates?

142 >>Are there any State level elections, like Prosser's, coming up that we can use to test some of these candidates?

Um...is this a joke?  The WI State Sen recall elections?

143 The Billy Madison game show quote is missing in the 'best' comments for that $5 gas 'festival of stoopid' by Lynn Mucken.

144 It's a politico link but the headline on drudge is interesting.  I see stamping of feet, taking the ball, and walking away.

145

There are a number of Governor elections this year.

KY should make a good test case.

146 well now, another one of those conferences, a motley group this is, are there any republicans among the bunch?  politico again

147 At least he is not teh stooopid like that snowbilly chick. Know what I mean?

148 While we were working to get tea party conservatives elected in 2010, Trump was supporting far left liberals. FACT.

149 He's a straight up huckster.  Lord preserve us all.

150 Satan if he is the R nominee

Oh, he will be.  Trust us on this.

151 Yeah, Ryan's plan is chickenshit. Not extreme enough. Think about it 1.6T deficit THIS year. His plan is going to cut 6T in 10 years? So we are only 10T more in debt at the end of that decade. Not enough. Not even close. And we won't get that, it will have to be a compromise anyway, and how many trillion dollars do you bet that compromise looks a lot like 4T over 12 years, with 3.8T of that in years 11 and 12?

152 Posted by: blaster at April 19, 2011 03:45 PM (l5dj7)

You're probably right- Ryan's plan probably won't go anywhere.  And, while it's very bare consolation, we will still be able to say "I told you so" when America is a 2nd world country (headed to third) within 8 or 10 years.

What Ryan's plan really does- if implemented as written- is two things: 1) give us breathing room to figure out the "what next" that Ace keeps asking, and 2) prove (hopefully) to the Entitlement Addicts that they really don't need all that government after all ("Hey, if Medicare changing to a voucher didn't kill anyone, what's so wrong with private retirement accounts?")

153 >>Not enough. Not even close. And we won't get that, it will have to be a compromise anyway, and how many trillion dollars do you bet that compromise looks a lot like 4T over 12 years, with 3.8T of that in years 11 and 12? You're leaving out a very important element. The bank is about to shut us off.

154 The bank is about to shut us off.

The bank (China) has already shut us off. We are living on printed money now. And the Ryan plan?

The Senate Repubs are already compromising it away. They aren't even going to give Boner a chance. They are ready to agree to a tax hike and no meaningful cuts at all.

That is the reason for the "negative outlook".

155 Trump and his enormous ego may turn out to be Obama's savior in 2012.

Trump ... Perot 2.0

156 Trump is a plant -- a spoiler.  Obama can't win another term without someone like Trump to pull anybody-but-Obama and Not-Obama-but-not-Republican votes from the GOP. 

157 He donated to Schumer and Weiner. 'Nuff said.

158 Circa:  Ryan's Plan Not Extreme Enough.  Trump Full of Shit.

159

Keep an eye on Trump. Given his willingness to bend financial laws and Obama's willingess to bend voting laws, I foresee an agreement between the two for Trump to try to split the anti-Obama vote in 2012.

Look at his actions. As his first act as a "serious" Republican candidate, he demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. This in not the action of a serious conservative or even a serious Republican; this is the action of someone pretending to be conservative trying to embrace what they think is important (but really isn't) to conservatives.

I hope someone with some media presense exposes this unholy alliance before it turns to Ross Perot all over again (with much worse consequences!)

160 Trumps view on private property rights is basically that your property is yours until Trump and his local government allies want it in order to enrich themselves.

161 Trump is just humping the public's leg like an oversexed three-legged dog. When he comes off of it, he will hobble up to the next sympathetic victim (or runway model) with a sore pecker and, irrespective, once again try to satisfy his insatiable lust.

What do we get? A pair of pants we throw out and soon forget. We also foreswear that no dog will ever distract us with their affliction, gain our sympathy and hump our leg again.

My only question is; how long will he hump our leg? Will it be long enough for Ross Perot II?

162 Trump is a plant -- a spoiler.  Obama can't win another term without someone like Trump to pull anybody-but-Obama and Not-Obama-but-not-Republican votes from the GOP. 

Posted by: starboardhelm at April 19, 2011 04:03 PM (ctMcG)

Starting to look that way.  He was funny for a couple days until he basically told us Republicans if we didn't nominate him he would run 3P and destroy us.  WTF?  I regret thinking he would be a fun diversion for a couple weeks. 

163

More grist for the BS 9th circuit ruling

An Arizona sheriff says he has been flooded with calls and emails of support from local and federal agents who back his claims that the U.S. Border Patrol has effectively ordered them to stop apprehending illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexican border.

164 oops, wrong thread

165 Negotiate payments and interest rates with creditors, declare bankruptcy, protect assets...hey.  Maybe Trump is the right guy at the right time.  Who better to lead the USA through a bankruptcy?  Honestly.

The last time a superpower went through a bankruptcy, the Soviet Union became Russia, the Ukraine, the Baltic states,  and a zillion 'stans..  Plus, the extinction of the Warsaw Pact.

And that was the best case scenario.

166 He speaks ill of the Ryan plan?  I officially hate him now.  Okay maybe just hate him more than I already did.   He hasn't earned the right to even speak Paul Ryan's name, much less disparage actual serious work on real issues.

Trump the Chump is hereby dubbed "Shiny," in honor of the fucking brain-dead imbeciles who are attracted to him like a shiny object. 

***hate***

167

>>>Who are you supporting?

>>Satan if he is the R nominee

>Hear fucking hear.  This.

THIS ^^^

Thankfully, I still have faith that it will NOT be Shiny Trump the Chump. 

***hate***

168 Trump is now a Repub?  He has been a dem for years.  Wo DONT want a damn RINO.  I am getting so sick of him.  Even Fox News will not shut up about him.  Hannity, O'reilly, and Greta keep promoting him.  Give it a break!  We need Comrade Obanumbnuts out before we become the USSA.

169

The left are in full on destruction mode. Their ideas are poison - so full on destruction is all they have left.

 

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