1 How that thing ever got in and through boot camp is a mystery to my simple self.

2

Usually with a little shit like Manning, it's a case of shine 'em up and ship 'em out.  Here the guy's direct supervisor took one for the team and said, "I'll keep  him.  He does not belong in Iraq."

That goes against all bureaucratic good practice.  But I'm impressed by the supervisor.  The folks should have listened.

3 Ya know, when someone tells you that a person is too screwed up to send to IRAQ, you really should listen. 

4 Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher ranking soldiers

...that he dated.

5 I won't ask if you don't tell.

6 I can see situations in which a non-head-case throws a chair or shouts in a non-head-case way (everyone gets pissed). But based on the fact that this little prick is a born head-case, I have to think these instances were the head-case hissy-fit/inappropriate rage type of act-ups.

All due respect Ace, did they know he was a born head-case.  Which begs the second question:  Now that the DoD has been a volunteer force, why/how did this born head-case get in?

Just askin'.

7 Anyone in possession of a Lady Gaga CD should not be allowed anywhere anything labeled "intelligence", not matter how many chairs they do or do not throw.

8 Ya know, when someone tells you that a person is too screwed up to send to IRAQ, you really should listen. 
In Obama's administration such a person is recommended for promotion, or the very least, an advisory position.

9 A PFC that throws chairs at colleagues sounds like just the thing for combat duty (in a PC world).

10

Throwing chairs and shouting in a workplace? In the civvy world that gets you shitcanned right quick with possible law enforcement involved and maybe a lawsuit or two.

Really? Has our military become that pussified? God help us.

11 Ace, you bitch!!! That's my bottle of Blood & Semen!!!!

12

Pfc. Bradley Manning's direct supervisor warned that Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher ranking soldiers in the year he was stationed at Fort Drum, N.Y., and advised that Manning shouldn't be sent to Iraq, where his job would entail accessing classified documents through the Defense Department's computer system.

 

Ya' don't diss a queen.

13 What happened to the Army? How did they get so messed up that they would admit someone like that, much less give him a security clearance? This is just unbelievable.

14 He was clearly unsuitable for intelligence work of any kind. Those kinds of emotional outbreaks scream security risk.

15 He was clearly unsuitable for intelligence work of any kind. Those kinds of emotional outbreaks scream security risk

Hell, he was unsuitable for work at IHOP.

16 Well sending him to Iraq is one thing. Letting him come back alive is another thing

17 Bad call in hindsight, but you don't let shitbirds avoid tough duty by acting like an asshole.  Back in the old days, his Sergeants would have tuned him up behind the barracks.

18 12
You got that right.
He is the poster boy for DADT intel troops!
Where would we be without this kind of expertise?

19 Heh. And they wouldn't let me in because I've had too much eye surgery.

Great decision making going on in Teh Army.

20 ...that he dated. Posted by: Rocks I think this might be the reason...

21 Patton would have done more than slap this bitch, probably would have shot him.

22 Bad call in hindsight, but you don't let shitbirds avoid tough duty by acting like an asshole.  Back in the old days, his Sergeants would have tuned him up behind the barracks.

Posted by: dan in michigan at January 28, 2011 07:33 PM (9jRMu)

 

Yup.  The original "attitude adjustment".

23 Clearly this man is not fit to conduct one of my high speed trains that will singlehandedly win the future.

24 Bad call in hindsight, but you don't let shitbirds avoid tough duty by acting like an asshole. Back in the old days, his Sergeants would have tuned him up behind the barracks. Posted by: dan in michigan at January 28, 2011 07:33 PM (9jRMu) Yup. The original "attitude adjustment". Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2011 07:36 PM (Oo2Ip) No this guy was bad news and it must have been very obvious. He should have spent his hitch shoveling shit in Arkansas.

25 Heh. And they wouldn't let me in because I've had too much eye surgery.

Great decision making going on in Teh Army.

Posted by: sifty at January 28, 2011 07:34 PM (96ttX)

I was refused by the Navy because I had asthma when I was a kid.

26 Stories like these are why I support Sarah Palin for president.

27 I would have beaten that kid to the fucking ground. And every NCO in my platoon would have looked the other way. That's field-grade Article 15 shit. Throwing chairs? Screaming at NCOs and officers? At BEST this kid would have been chaptered out with a General Discharge. What kind of pussy branch is Intelligence anyway? I shit on his entire chain of command for having no balls. What a disgrace to the Army.

28 Having thrown a chair or two in my time in the Army, and having had LOUD discussions with my seniors, those things alone aren't necessarily disqaulifying for further service. People in the Army can be pretty... uh, vehement. But when the guy's own supervisor is saying he can't hack it, maybe they SHOULD have listened. No commander wants to deploy shorthanded, but they sure need to remember that the 80% of their time spent on 20% of their troops is only going to be worse when deployed.

29 Bad call in hindsight, but you don't let shitbirds avoid tough duty by acting like an asshole. Back in the old days, his Sergeants would have tuned him up behind the barracks.
Posted by: dan in michigan at January 28, 2011 07:33 PM (9jRMu)



Yup. The original "attitude adjustment".

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2011 07:36 PM (Oo2Ip)

No this guy was bad news and it must have been very obvious. He should have spent his hitch shoveling shit in Arkansas.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:37 PM (/Ibu

My old platoon sergeant said an entrenching tool does wonders in adjusting attitudes.

Ah, the good old days.

Today, he would be up on charges and Manning would get a promotion!

30 How that thing ever got in and through boot camp is a mystery to my simple self.

ARMY. Because somebody has to make the sammiches.

31 The repeal of DADT will ensure drama queens like this douchetard infest the military. Thanks Mark Kirk, thanks Olympia Snowe!

32 In keeping with our fabulous new strategic vision and some really great decorating ideas we got from watching Celebrity Cribs, all US troops will be recalled to the Continental United States to aid in the construction of a high speed rail link from San Francisco to Palm Springs to Provincetown.

33 Yup. The original "attitude adjustment". The Army term is "wall-to-wall counseling session."

34 Will DADT improve the performance of high speed trains?

35 Throwing chairs? Screaming at NCOs?  WTF?  I got sent to mental health for just saying I didn't like my job! Months of scrubbing toilets while I waited to see a shrink.  This little bastard should have had his security clearance revoked and been court martialed!

36

 Having thrown a chair or two in my time in the Army, and having had LOUD discussions with my seniors, those things alone aren't necessarily disqaulifying for further service. People in the Army can be pretty... uh, vehement.

 

You were in a different army than I was.  My seniors would have had my ass for lunch with conduct like that.

37

 He was clearly unsuitable for intelligence work of any kind. Those kinds of emotional outbreaks scream security risk.

Totally.

38 "Pfc. Bradley Manning's direct supervisor warned that Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher ranking soldiers in the year he was stationed at Fort Drum, N.Y."

a gay evening enjoyed by all i'm sure

39 I've been in the AF for 23 yrs and I've never seen or heard of anyone 'throwing chairs and yelling at superiors'.

This guy would have been out of my squadron in a nanosecond with a direct psych referral, good luck with that TS clearance. The supervisor made a very strong effort, in our new PC-centric military, to do the right thing. Now it's time to look at the commander who signed off on the DEPORD for this traitor.

40

Will DADT improve the performance of high speed trains?

A critical question and why the hell isn't anyone talking about it!!

41 Can someone make up a Bradley Manning/ High Speed Rail joke? I'm feeling kinda lazy.

42 XBradTC, I can and have shown my ass, too. But the difference is, I was RIGHT. And my platoon sergeant had my back (I was a platoon leader's Bradley gunner - I'm sure it's all clicking into place). It sounds like this kid was just throwing bitchtastic drama fits for his own amusement.

43

Pfc. Bradley Manning's direct supervisor warned that Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues

Eh...sound like a day in my office.

 

44 Soona, I guess so. You could do anything you wanted to in my Army. Just as long as you were prepared to pay the consequences. I have counseled wall2wall, and been counseled wall2wall...

45
.......and shouted at higher ranking soldiers.....

This young man would have been before Courts & Boards on my watch, and his time in either the stockade or prison would have been a meaningful experience......for him.

46 The fact that Manning threw chairs or yelled at his superiors is not what bothers me. It's the fact that he's so fucking lame.

47 41  You can't throw chairs on a high speed train--they're bolted down.  But you can scream at the passengers.
lame, but it is all I can come up with for now.

48 41 Can someone make up a Bradley Manning/ High Speed Rail joke? I'm feeling kinda lazy.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at January 28, 2011 07:45 PM (HpT9p)

Sorry after 6 beers the best I can do is poddy jokes.

 

49 Can someone make up a Bradley Manning/ High Speed Rail joke? I'm feeling kinda lazy.
Private Bullet Train entering the tunnel at high-speed and reporting for duty!

50 Throwing chairs? Screaming at NCOs?  WTF?  I got sent to mental health for just saying I didn't like my job! Sorry, but I had a chuckle at that. What did the Division Head Fucker tell you?

51 I don't know about the army but yelling at superior officers in the Marines will get you into all kinds of hurt, some of it likely to be physical. I had disagreements and let them know, yelling though, nope.

52 I'm thinking that the person who disregarded this warning might have a little Manning-residue on his junk.

53 I don't know about the army but yelling at superior officers in the Marines will get you into all kinds of hurt, some of it likely to be physical. I had disagreements and let them know, yelling though, nope. Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2011 07:50 PM (hVDig) Shit as a Navy Doc I always found it much healthier never to yell at any Marine, even the recruits. But then they always feed me good.

54

Will DADT improve the performance of high speed trains?

A critical question and why the hell isn't anyone talking about it!!

Posted by: Bill Maher at January 28, 2011 07:45 PM (kDTRQ)

 

I'll be glad to be a guest and discuss that topic but my rider demands 30 lbs of White Castle Jalapeno Sliders, 12 gallons of Pepsi and a can of Crisco, just to grease the gullett.

The fuck are you waiting for? Time is money!

55 Why do we know less about the guy who stole the classified documents than the nancy boy who posted them on a web site?

56
With Bradley Manning as a bunk mate, military service would have been dreamy.

57 There's difference of opinion (a matter of principle), and there's insubordination (a matter of total disrespect for the mission).

58 This all sounds like the same PC bullshit that gave us the scumbag that shot-up Fort Hood.  

59 Why do we know less about the guy who stole the classified documents than the nancy boy who posted them on a web site? Posted by: CJ at January 28, 2011 07:52 PM (tNWxq) hard to get to know someone when they are held incomunicato in a basement at Quantico muzzled like the dog he is

60 @ Empire of Jeff: He sighed, said I had some passive-aggressive tendencies, but other than that I was pretty normal and wished they'd stop wasting his time. 

61 Shit as a Navy Doc I always found it much healthier never to yell at any Marine, even the recruits. But then they always feed me good.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:52 PM (/Ibu

We had a navy doc in our CAP, that fuckin guy is still my hero,

62 Ah yes, diversity is more important than the lives of troops.  I remember that well.  How's that MAJ Hassan court martial working out for you?

63 Reminiscent of Major Hassan at Fort Hood, isn't it? Makes you wonder if we have a lot of Army officers who have their heads up their asses, doesn't it? The same fools who are okay with abolishing DADT, no doubt. Career brown-nosers.

64 52 I'm thinking that the person who disregarded this warning might have a little Manning-residue on his junk.

Posted by: sifty at January 28, 2011 07:50 PM (96ttX)

Oh...do tell.

 

65 my son was in Iraq in very similar circumstances and skillz/MOS. He has NOTHING good to say about Manning and they did suffer general collateral punishment for this c*cksucker's actions.

66 With Bradley Manning as a bunk mate, military service would have been dreamy.
Hands off! He's mine, douche!

67 63 Reminiscent of Major Hassan at Fort Hood, isn't it? Makes you wonder if positive we have a lot of Army officers who have their heads up their asses, doesn't it? The same fools who are okay with abolishing DADT, no doubt. Career brown-nosers.

FIFY!

68 He also knows Manning's Bootcamp Buddy, and said nobody liked him - they knew he was "wrong" from the start

69 my son was in Iraq in very similar circumstances and skillz/MOS. He has NOTHING good to say about Manning and they did suffer general collateral punishment for this c*cksucker's actions. Posted by: Frank G at January 28, 2011 07:55 PM (4X0aT) We all did. After Manning the way you were able to use DOD computers changed

70 55 Why do we know less about the guy who stole the classified documents than the nancy boy who posted them on a web site? Why do we know more about the nancy boy stealing documents than we know about the Commander in Chief?

71 He was probably furious that he couldn't go to Captain's Mast, so he could try to fit it in his mouth. Once they explained that A) that's in the Navy, not the Army and B) Captain's Mast is not a euphemism for cock, he flipped out and started throwing shit. I blame his recruiter. Probably told him non-judicial punishment was like a BDSM gay porn flick.

72 hard to get to know someone when they are held incomunicato in a basement at Quantico muzzled like the dog he is

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:53 PM (/Ibu

That doesn't explain why we've seen almost nothing reported about his vast pre-muzzled life.

73 The only thing my son loved more than betraying his country was high speed rail. He always told me he loved "trains", especially ones that would thrust their way in, deposit their load, and zoom off like you had VD.

74  hard to get to know someone when they are held incomunicato in a basement at Quantico muzzled like the dog he is

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:53 PM (/Ibu

That doesn't explain why we've seen almost nothing reported about his vast pre-muzzled life.

Or Hasan's either.  Guess they think we'll eventually forget about the whole thing.

75 74  hard to get to know someone when they are held incomunicato in a basement at Quantico muzzled like the dog he is

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:53 PM (/Ibu

That doesn't explain why we've seen almost nothing reported about his vast pre-muzzled life.

Or Hasan's either.  Guess they think we'll eventually forget about the whole thing.

"That sort of thing is out of bounds, not like battle plans or state secrets."  NYT Editorial Staff Guidance

76 Shit can always seep through sometimes. All it takes is a command structure that is too concerned with larger issues to take the time to evaluate an individual. The consequences usually don't take on the proportions that they have with Manning of course. It isn't until they do that everyone stands around looking at the paper trail and wondering why "something" wasn't done.

77

Sounds like bullshit to me. I have a nephew in Army intelligence who got sent home from Iraq for wrestling around with a coworker while technically on duty..but not engaged in anything to do with intelligence.

shortage my ass

78 sounds like the Army has its own RINO-type problems...

79 If you like your half a fag, treasonous scumbag....

80 I am really starting to like Rand Paul, I know his dad's nuts but this guy makes a lot of sense. Hot air has a interview of him with Wolf Blitzer

81

What the fuck is going on at the Pentagon?

I've been through FBI background checks to work with our youth group and a variety of  other checks just to get a gig at a fucking Dollar General store and assholes like these are getting through?

I have the utmost, deep respect for you folks that serve but our military is fucked in a really bad way.

Not that you don't know that.

82 If this really did happen... his CO could have pulled his clearance in a snap...furthermore he could have been ordered to see a shrink.

83

Sounds like bullshit to me. I have a nephew in Army intelligence who got sent home from Iraq for wrestling around with a coworker while technically on duty..but not engaged in anything to do with intelligence.

shortage my ass

Posted by: beedubya at January 28, 2011 08:08 PM (AnTyA)

My guess is nobody wanted to be the one to sign that he was unfit due to possible political fallout.

84 I am really starting to like Rand Paul, I know his dad's nuts but this guy makes a lot of sense. Hot air has a interview of him with Wolf Blitzer

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2011 08:19 PM (hVDig)

RAND PAUL!

85 There may be officer shortages in Army intelligence but this idiot was enlisted.  They pull clearances on "E"s if you even think about acting strange.

86 Rand's got all of Ron's good traits and only a handful of Ron's many bad ones.

87

RAND PAUL!

AQUA BÃœDA (!)

88 That chair was obstructing my view of Uranus!

89
I think he's a nice young man and vewy cute, too.

90 Part of DADT was not "asking." And Manning was all but telling. Maybe the Army was afraid any action taken against the bastard dickcheese would be....constructively misinterpreted as being against DADT, but on the part of his superiors.

91 Posted by: Anonymoose at January 28, 2011 08:28 PM (ZgvjV)

Absolutely!

92

He had to have been facilitated by some other anti-American puke who was in the service under false pretenses.  To have had the time to download that much data, he had to have  had someone watching the door, or someone who gave him the go ahead.

We're not used to out and out traitors in the American military; but if there is this one guy, then there are probably a couple of others who enabled him to do his traitorous deeds.  I just can't believe he acted alone, was all by himself, and just decided on his own to send top secret stuff out over the ether.

The bloke who told his commanding officer to ship him out anyway may have been looking for just this type.  Someone who, if he were caught or killed, wouldn't be sorely missed.  But who could be convinced to act out his pathetic little feelings of confusion or unrequited love or whatever.

93

I have the utmost, deep respect for you folks that serve but our military is fucked in a really bad way.

Not that you don't know that.

Posted by: ErikW at January 28, 2011 08:19 PM (lQVKk)

Yeah..I don't know what your tryrin to get at.

 

 

94 The Army has had problems with PC for a number of years now.  I was in during the late 70's and here is my PC story:  A cooks helper (a private) got mad and slugged the company comander (a captain).  Into the brig he went - for all of two hours.  Our Col. bounced the man out and into MY motorpool.  The private was black and in those days you couldn't look crossed eyed at our affected class minority without coming up on EEO charges.  I suspect that muslims and gays will have the same kind of protection these days.

95 86.  Too many officers are political animals first, thus leery of getting in a politically incorrect position, as it is a guarantee of promotion stagnation.  DADT was a loaded gun pointed at the head of any warrior troop.

Besides, it isn't like we're fighting to win or anything!  In fact the CinC doesn't know where combat operations ended.

96

PFC.  Private First Class.  If your rank has "Private" anywhere in it, you're not so fucking indispensible that you can't easily be replaced.  I don't care what his MOS is.

The Unbelievable Bullshit warning is going strobe here.

97 well they knew all about the ft hood MURDERING ISLAMIC PIG too, and did nothing about him.......

98

HEH!!

Check out the first two word of the headline and the pic neath it

99



But, but, but ...  WE NEED prissy drama queens to stay in the Army.  THat's why we repealed DADT!!!!!!

100 86 There may be officer shortages in Army intelligence but this idiot was enlisted.



Or is that just another lie used by the left to impose their will on the last vestige of government that still works.

101 thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher ranking soldiers

This was pre-repeal-DADT / gay affirmative action days.

If true, he would have ended up Chapter 15.

102

Bullshit like this - tolerating drama queens and other loons, while at the same time forcing PC bullshit down the throats of the real men, has cost the army many good soldiers. 

Time to get the social engineering out of the army, and return to a more reality-oriented way of doing things.  It won't fix every problem (my friends who served in the army had a hundred stories of horrific and systemic wrongness) but it would go a long way toward keeping the useful folks, and dumping the worthless/dangerous pukes.

 

103 100 well they knew all about the ft hood MURDERING ISLAMIC PIG too, and did nothing about him.......
No, they kept promoting him and passing him along!  Those protected classes make life in a mission oriented organization tough.

104 Sounds like the staff officers he was working for were fucking worthless.  You get that once in a while.

105 I think it's clear: Private Manning needed a good dose . . .

. . . of SUPERTRAIN!

106 Offhand, I would think that if an actual formal declaration of war by Congress was required before any troops were sent in harm's way, then we "might" return to a military that did not have  to tolerate PC-ness, but rather focused on winning the war.
Police actions and AUF just don't seem serious enough.

107 101

HEH!!

Check out the first two word of the headline and the pic neath it

Posted by: beedubya at January 28, 2011 08:44 PM (AnTyA)

Eh. don't get me started. You think the chicken is warn out? You have no idea.!

 

108

49 Can someone make up a Bradley Manning/ High Speed Rail joke? I'm feeling kinda lazy.

I call the big one "Bitey"

109

If true, he would have ended up Chapter 15.

Bankrupt?

110

Can someone make up a Bradley Manning/ High Speed Rail joke? I'm feeling kinda lazy.

Is there a Rail Line to Fire Island?

111 112 I began to suspect Manning was gay when his crank tasted like ass.

Posted by: Manning's Cellmate at January 28, 2011 09:00 PM (ZgvjV)

At least your crack don't smell like a side car.

http://tinyurl.com/4q9uplt

Yeah...she  mixes drinks with me.

 

 

 

112   63 Reminiscent of Major Hassan at Fort Hood, isn't it? Makes you wonder if we have a lot of Army officers who have their heads up their asses, doesn't it? The same fools who are okay with abolishing DADT, no doubt. Career brown-nosers.

Posted by: Brian at January 28, 2011 07:55 PM (sYrWB)

Rule of thumb: Anything above O-5 is purely political among line officers. LtCol Allen West would never make O-6 in that system because he's a warrior.  I'd like to see him as CINC one day.

113 Nidal Hassan and now Bradley Manning,can we see a pattern here?

114 What happened to the Army? How did they get so messed up that they would admit someone like that, much less give him a security clearance? This is just unbelievable.

This is the same organization that tolerated Nidal Hasan.

I was listening to NPR earlier and they had someone on explaining the Army policy (specifically relating to gays, but in general).  Apparently you can't "disrespect" people.

Now, I'm all for treating people with respect.  But if you create a bureaucracy that empowers the disrespectee to decide what constitutes disrespect, you're inverting the command structure.  It's bad enough that it happens in business, where companies that can't function under these kinds of constraints are put out of business by those that can.

But the army has no competitors to keep it honest in peacetime, or even in the kind of wars in which we find ourselves.  Is this a force that's going to be able to fight a real war, against an adversary like China?

115 I should have read the comments first.

116 119 Gen Casey's statement after the Hassan shooting was one of the most depressing things I've ever heard.

117 69 my son was in Iraq in very similar circumstances and skillz/MOS. He has NOTHING good to say about Manning and they did suffer general collateral punishment for this c*cksucker's actions.
Posted by: Frank G at January 28, 2011 07:55 PM (4X0aT)

We all did. After Manning the way you were able to use DOD computers changed

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 07:57 PM (/Ibu

Here's one aspect of the fallout:

GENERAL ORDER 267:

NO MORE LADY GA GA.

118 Cocktails anyone??

119 While Egypt burns at the the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran, the Press Corp has time to joke about Palin's WTF comments.

120 Best thing about high-speed rail? High-speed cabooses! All Aboard!!

121 I should have read the comments first.

Posted by: steevy at January 28, 2011 09:10 PM (T4ZvL)

 

Sorry but I believe that would be a direct violation of Moron Code, Section Who Gives a Shit?

Carry on as you were, please.

122 124 While Egypt burns at the the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran, the Press Corp has time to joke about Palin's WTF comments.

Posted by: momma at January 28, 2011 09:14 PM (penCf)

Sarah Palin? Yeah, we would soooo hit it!

 

123 While Egypt burns at the the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran, the Press Corp has time to joke about Palin's WTF comments.

Posted by: momma at January 28, 2011 09:14 PM (penCf)

Not like they really give a shit about what's happening ni Egypt considering they seem to have had a hand in it.  The telgraph links to a document that shows that the US was secretly backing it.

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://tiny.cc/stqc9

We are so boned.

 

124

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://tiny.cc/stqc9

We are so boned.

 

Posted by: Steph at January 28, 2011 09:26 PM (AkdC5)

But...but...Mubarak's regime is the stable ally.

Is this more war for oil??

But  Egypt has no oil. WTF?

Is Obama pushing a leftist regime?

Pewshaw!!

 

125 I'm trying to figure this out. Intel must be special, because in any line unit, whatever service, where a junior enlisted guy throws a chair, things end a short time later, after the NJP or perhaps court martial, with an OTH and a ticket home. Call me old fashioned.

126

WE no nothing!

 

127 Those wakidicks documents are from 2008. It doesn't say anything about the last three years.

Posted by: Anonymoose at January 28, 2011 09:29 PM (ZgvjV)

So, this part of the document is just nothing then, right?

(C) Comment: xxxxxxxxxxxx

offered no roadmap of concrete steps toward April 6's highly

unrealistic goal of replacing the current regime with a parliamentary

democracy prior to the 2011 presidential elections. 

It sure looks like someone planned concrete steps after that meeting.

 

128 81 I am really starting to like Rand Paul, I know his dad's nuts but this guy makes a lot of sense.

Sure. Fabulous timing for Rand to say we should cut off aid to Israel.  Absolutely brilliant. 

He lasted, what?, a week before revealing himself to be the same sort of foreign policy kook as his dad.  Mighty impressive. 

129

I am really starting to like Rand Paul, I know his dad's nuts but this guy makes a lot of sense.

Sure. Fabulous timing for Rand to say we should cut off aid to Israel.  Absolutely brilliant. 

I caught half of that during the break. Rand, huh?

The crazy asshole doesn't fall far from the tree.

130 206 As Ann Coulter said during the 2008 election..."it took a Carter to get a Reagan".

Posted by: tom_06060 at January 28, 2011 08:59 PM (y5tGs)

from previous thread...

It takes an Obama to get a Christie.

 

131

Hey y'all 20% unemployment!!  Whoot, Whoot!!!

Really hope this won't affect your UNemployment rate.

What? wrong thread??

132

Sure. Fabulous timing for Rand to say we should cut off aid to Israel.  Absolutely brilliant. 

Yup.  You would think, for the sake of strategy/credibility, he would have held off with the chip off the old block stuff.  Disappointing.

 

133 Speaking of the military, did you all see Patty Murray has been named the chair of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee?  Yeesh!

134 Know of a case where a similar drama queen on suicide watch in Kuwait was sent forward to Iraq without the suicide info being sent along.  Two big mistakes there.  Kid killed himself.  His barracks mates and immediate chain were hammered pretty good by higher who was trying to prove to the NYT that they really care about suicide.

135

So what's your friggin problem??

Hey, help me light this bong will ya?

 

 

136

I am really starting to like Rand Paul, I know his dad's nuts but this guy makes a lot of sense.

Sure. Fabulous timing for Rand to say we should cut off aid to Israel.  Absolutely brilliant. 

I caught half of that during the break. Rand, huh?

The crazy asshole doesn't fall far from the tree.

To be fair he said we needed to cut off all foreign aid. Blitzer then pushed him to say specifically Israeli aid. Obviously ALL aid includes aid to israel.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic. I love Israel, but baby we broke. I would prefer we cut aid to every other country first before cutting aid to Israel, but if we have to cut all aid then we need to cut all aid.

Whatever Israel loses in US money will be offset by their enemies also being cut off from US money, keep in mind we bankroll everyone

 

137

Patty Murray has been named the chair of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee?

When I think battle hardened warrior, defender of our Nation's freedoms, I think Patty Murray!  I mean think of the long hard slog she faced, walking in those sneakers.  Courage.

138 And this dude's a senator.  We're stuck with him for 6 years. 

This is why I don't like people who've never held elected office to jump right out of the gate into big political offices. 

Here are his committee assignments:
The U.S. Senate Republicans announced committee assignments for the 112th Congress today. Sen. Rand Paul received placement on four committees: Energy and Natural Resources; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Government Affairs; and Small Business.

Well, at least he's not on the Intelligence Cmte. 


Fortunately, here are Rubio's committee assignments:
Commerce, Science and Transportation; Foreign Relations; Small Business and Entrepreneurship; and the Select Committee on Intelligence.

God, I wish Rubio was ready to run now. 

139

Hey, Willie Nelson only smokes killer weed.

 

140 Sure. Fabulous timing for Rand to say we should cut off aid to Israel.  Absolutely brilliant. 

He lasted, what?, a week before revealing himself to be the same sort of foreign policy kook as his dad.  Mighty impressive. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 09:37 PM (pW2o

Look, I am as pro israel as anyone else. Do you want to tell me where we are going to come up with the money to give to Israel or anyone else? Our deficit is $1.5 Trillion, that's with a T.

List the things you want to cut so we can give money to other countries without borrowing it. Even with Pauls cuts we still have a $1 Trillion deficit. In less than 10 years if we don't fix it all of our budget will go to interest and entitlements. We can either make cuts now or wait a few years and they will be made for us.

Everyone saying we have to cut but not here get's pretty tiring .

 

141

When I think battle hardened warrior, defender of our Nation's freedoms, I think Patty Murray!  I mean think of the long hard slog she faced, walking in those sneakers.  Courage.

Heh!  That's funneh. 

When I think of my Senior Senator Patty Murray, I think mental midget in tennis shoes.  I remember her idiotic words post 9/11--"People loooove Osama Bin Laden because he built roads, daycares and hospitals."  The only thing he was missing was an high speed train. 

142 @Ben
It's unforgivable to say something so destabilizing about that region right now. 

Even if the goal is to reduce foreign aid, you don't pick a time like this to say it when you're a U.S Senator and you certainly don't allow yourself to be maneuvered into saying it about Israel. 

Frankly, he was adept at interviews during the campaign, so I assume it's the anti-Joo Paulian streak emerging and not a misstep.

143 While I believe it was completely stupid to send him and if anything he should have been sectioned out, I can attest that yes, at that point military intell personnel were in very, very short supply -- so that part of the equation does fit. 

144 Any of you old-timers remember the army's VOLAR (VOLunteer ARmy) experiment during the 70s? "Don't join the Army - let the Army join YOU!" "What kind of Army do YOU want to join?" I only point this out because the Pentagon has now said that the new openly-gay military goes live in three months. And if you remember, or had a platoon-daddy who remembers what a complete goatfuck VOLAR was, you're shitting your pants with excitement right about now. Remember what a fucking shambles the armed forces were when Reagan took office? Yeah. And that was BEFORE they gave the thumbs up to soldiers chugging cock in the barracks.

145

Everyone saying we have to cut but not here get's pretty tiring .

Yeah, I say no cuts, or minimal cuts to our number 1 ally and friend in the region. 

Get back to me when the worthless Department of Education is abolished.

I'm all for cutting foreign aid by the way, priorities would be nice though.

 

146

I love Israel, but baby we broke.

Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2011 09:49 PM (DKV43)

 

That's about the most ignorant and apathetic fucking attitude I've ever seen towards our Israeli friends. Are you high or just a jerk-off?

147

Patty Murray has been named the chair of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee?

Hey! You wingers needed me.

**sniff**sniff**

 

148

Get back to me when the worthless Department of Education is abolished.

I'm all for cutting foreign aid by the way, priorities would be nice though.

 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 28, 2011 09:56 PM (A0VTZ)

Then watch the fuckin interview, getting rid of the dept of education was part of his plan.

149 ONT??

150 Look, I am as pro israel as anyone else.

No, I don't think you are. 

Do you want to tell me where we are going to come up with the money to give to Israel or anyone else? Our deficit is $1.5 Trillion, that's with a T.

HuffPo (this is the company Rand and you are keeping) had a "cut aid to Israel" piece recently citing $3B in military aid to Israel.  Is $3B going to make a dent in that $1.5T? 

How will our economy be if that region further destabilizes?  Or do you want to pull out of the Middle East altogether? 

Setting aside the moral issues of emboldening Israel's enemies at this time in history, Israel is of strategic military importance to us.  It should enjoy a "special relationship" with us, like a few other close allies. 

151

@Ben
It's unforgivable to say something so destabilizing about that region right now. 

Even if the goal is to reduce foreign aid, you don't pick a time like this to say it when you're a U.S Senator and you certainly don't allow yourself to be maneuvered into saying it about Israel. 

Frankly, he was adept at interviews during the campaign, so I assume it's the anti-Joo Paulian streak emerging and not a misstep.

they were talking about spending. Not foreign politics. The media always does this to us.

A republican will say we need to make cuts in social security, then the reporter will say, " but sally smith is a quadrolpegic who is blind, deaf, dumb and works in a zinc factory at the age of 88 and will die if you cut social security, surely you don't support cutting her social security check" to which the republican always says, "no of course not".

 

Paul didn't capitualte, we should applaud that. Blitzer was talking about spending cuts, Paul said foreign aid needs to go, then Blitzer furthered the point to include israel, which we all knew was included in the first questions, Blitzer did this because he wanted paul to say, "no of course not Israel" and that way he could call him a hypocrit on spending cuts.

Disagree with paul but he stuck to his guns which is more than any other republican does when the media pulls this s*it

and I say this as someone who is a zionist.

we need to cut spending, sure we can make israeli aid the last foreign aid cut, but we have to cut spending.

152

27 As for "what kind of pussy branch is Intelligence"...like every other MOS you have great soldiers, good soldiers, average ones, ok ones, and poor ones...and then you have the ones who are such bad news that they get people killed.

I know of one who was up for a Bronze Star in Iraq (it went to an infantryman, but for an intel person, a fobbit, a pussy if you will Jeff, to even get considered for one is pretty noteworthy)...so they can't all be pussy ass mofos...right?

153

Then watch the fuckin interview, getting rid of the dept of education was part of his plan

I know. 

I said get back to me when it happens, not when it is proposed.

I'm not for cutting off aid to Israel.  You?

154 114

If true, he would have ended up Chapter 15.

Bankrupt?

Posted by: Ronster at January 28, 2011 09:04 PM (1F/m

HEH!, I was off a bit, Chapter 15 is "Separation for Homosexuality"

I meant Chapter 14, "Misconduct"

provides that you may be separated involuntarily for-- Civilian court conviction as a juvenile offender or for having committed certain types of offenses after entering the Army. Commission of a serious offense. Abuse of illegal drugs. Acts or patterns of misconduct, such as repeated failure to pay valid debts, repeated failure to support dependents, or frequent incidents of misconduct with civil or military authorities. Minor military disciplinary infractions, such as disobedience of lawful orders, disrespect, failure to repair, or absence without leave. If you are separated under these provisions, you may receive a discharge under other than honorable conditions.

155 Setting aside the moral issues of emboldening Israel's enemies at this time in history, Israel is of strategic military importance to us.  It should enjoy a "special relationship" with us, like a few other close allies. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2011 09:59 PM (pW2o

You can think whatever you want, I really don't care. Israels income tax is far lower than ours. There 10% rate goes up to $57,000 ours ends at $8,000 if you are single and $16,000 if you are married. The balance of their tax rates have the same disparity to ours.I think they could come up with the $3 Billion and we would still support them if they were attacked.

So you can come up the the $3 Billion if its so easy to come by and send it to them. 

156 160 27 As for "what kind of pussy branch is Intelligence"...like every other MOS you have great soldiers, good soldiers, average ones, ok ones, and poor ones...and then you have the ones who are such bad news that they get people killed. I know of one who was up for a Bronze Star in Iraq (it went to an infantryman, but for an intel person, a fobbit, a pussy if you will Jeff, to even get considered for one is pretty noteworthy)...so they can't all be pussy ass mofos...right? No, they can't ALL be pussies. Sigh... It seems like every six months or so I have to explain this: I am a hater. I hate. The job description is contained within the job title. When you receive your diploma you are issued one brush. It is wide, and you are required to paint EVERYTHING with it. So quit busting my balls for doing my job. The pressure to keep that deployment manifest as close to 100% is huge. I've seen it. However. Manning's chain of command identified him as a security risk and still let him deploy. I guarantee you if his immediate supervisor would have told HIS superior, "Sir, PFC Manning is a security risk and I believe he will endanger our safety and/or national security. However, since you are deciding to not send him to the Division Head Fucker and deploy him over my warnings and objections, could I just get you to sign this memo acknowledging this conversation?" THAT would have been squared away.

157 @Steph, the cable says there is no concrete plan so that means there is?

Posted by: Anonymoose at January 28, 2011 09:54 PM (ZgvjV)

Did you read the whole thing?   All I'm saying is that at one time the US seemed to be backing the potential, otherwise why would they have had opposition leaders come to DC to dicuss it?

And, the timeline seems to fit.   Does it not?    I'm just saying that it was discussed & it certainly doesn't look like it was forgotten, at least by some, because um WTF is happening today?

158 I'll tell you exactly what PFC Manning's problem was. PFC Manning was low man on the totem-pole. As such, and has been ever since armies began forming, low man gets a lot of shit details. Pure and simple. PFC Bradley thought he was above such treatment and resented it, immensely. Throwing chairs and hissy fits on crew gets you nothing but more shit details and lots of derisive behavior directed your way. Thus, his resentment grew, fueled by his overwhelming sense of entitlement, to the point where it affected his judgement and colored every action he took. There is a reason that Marine Corps boot is the way it is. It weeds out little turds like this. Army......not so much.

159 I believe this guy was sent as a result of the Army's PCness.  In fact, I would not be surprised at all that he didn't claim or threaten to claim discrimination for a mental health diagnosis making the higher ups scared to death of having to face such a charge.  So here's the truth: The Army has gotten soft.  The kinder, gentler Army if you will.  They don't take problem soldiers on unless it is so bad they can't hide the issue.  Seriously, they worry now about self esteem and the harming of it, which could happen should you get yelled at by a superior.  Worse?  There are Master Sergeants advising against issuing official discipline for cocaine use to avoid it "following the soldier and ruining his career".  Ummm, ok...

The diversity group has run amok, and no, I don't mean just from race.  Women soldiers (not all, of course) cry foul when their feelings get hurt.  And, sadly, claims of racism fly when someone is counseled for fill in the blank.  It really is a mess and makes those soldiers of all races who are busting their tails frustrated as heck.  The MEDDAC, which is its own island of crazy, has caused my career, live and breath the Army husband to put in his retirement right before he was to go to the Sergeant Major's Academy.  My heart breaks for him that he achieved this at the age of 38 and feels he has to walk away because he can't stand what the Army has become.  Again, my husband is no slouch, he has deployed over 6 times and his ribbon rack is something to behold.  This guy is one the Army needed to keep, but their PC above all else mentality has made it unbearable for him and many like him.

160 Does anyone here think that the reason Manning got away with this shit is because his superiors were afraid of reprimand for "picking on" the emotional sissy ? Since when does a soldier get away with raising his voice to a superior, let alone throw chairs at them? I pray to God that Manning has an "accident" in jail, that little treasonous bastard.

161 I still don't think he was doing this crap by himself. It just beggars belief that one person should have such unlimited and unsupervised access to such a huge number of classified materials. And come on, he was a fucking private.

162 to 167 Army wife: same thing has happened to the USMC, tho to a lesser degree. It got so crazy we decided re-upping would be crazier than leaving. It was such a shame, these men are the solution to the problem. It seems like the system punishes them and uses them like rented mules till theres nothing left to give. why are the good guys treated like chumps and fools?

163 And theres a bunch of wackos why are already big time supporters of that manning wacko becuase their all dedicated liberal pea-brains

164 Okay, so Brad was a complete asshole nutbag -- NOW I get why Jane Hamsher is obsessed with him.

165 for those of you who don't know about Jane Hamsher loosing her shit on Manning see this

http://shoqvalue.com/regarding-team-bradley-manning

Serious blue on blue and Shoq takes Hamsher and Greenwald to school.

166 Was Manning another Scott Beauchamp but with bigger ambitions?

167

OK, question for someone who has some knowledge...

Everyone is talking about how if Bradley manning had thrown a chair at a high ranking NCO or Officer in their old unit, he would have been UCMJ'ed, court martialed, or given wall to wall counseling.

But are we all getting punked by the news media report?

Pfc. Bradley Manning's direct supervisor warned that Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher ranking soldiers in the year he was stationed at Fort Drum

OK, when he was stationed at Fort Drum, he was just a private.  So since collegues *usually* implies co-equals, couldn't this mean he was just throwing a chair at other privates?  And technically, even a E-4/Specialist is a higher ranking soldier than Private Manning.

I mean, throwing a chair at another private could just be barracks shenanigans.  And yelling at an E-4 as a private isn't really going to cause a whole lot of official notice, all else being equal.

The guy is a shit head, no question about it.  I just want to know if anyone has any further info about who he yelled at and threw chairs at, more specifically than just "collegues" and "higher ranking soldiers".

Private Throwing Chair at Private = Shit happens.

Private Thowing Chair at SFC = Some shit is going to come down on said Private.  Type and intensity to be decided by CPT or LTC if UCMJ.

Private Throwing Chair at Captain = Whoa.  That's some wild, crazy shit.  Get out of the impact area of expected counter battery fire ASAP.

168 I got expelled for it.

Throwing chairs and shouting in a workplace? In the civvy world that gets you shitcanned right quick with possible law enforcement involved and maybe a lawsuit or two.

169 Ed?  Anyone who isn't an NCO is a collegue for every Non-nco/private soldier.  I think the army is different in what they consider NCO's.  Spec 4 doesn't count for NCO, I think, but I was never in the Army, I was Marine.

As for yelling?  Well, the military is a far more volatile environment than civvy life, but it's generally kept quiet.  I would NEVER have done what manning is said to have done, but I did destroy a few things when out of the site of authority figures, and when caught, I took my lecture, and then there was "Private Counseling" also some "physical counseling."  I remember one specific, I was FURIOUS! and I throw a door open, so hard that the effing thing when it bounced back sounded louder than a gunshot.  

I immediately turned around walked in, and stood by my section head a master sergeant with 20 odd years in, not saying a word as he read me the riot act.

What Manning got away with doesn't sound like the service I was in, and I was/am quite confident I served during the most puzzified era of the Marines.

170 I am betting someone in his CoC is either a DADT candidate, sympathizer or was at a minimum worried about his sexual preference becoming an issue. There is no freakin way this is about a shortage. That's just guys up the chain trying to cover their asses and minimize disciplinary action.

It is almost incoceivable, especially in that MOS and that division, this traitors hissy fits go unnoticed. Anybody else would have bought the shittiest duty imaginable while waiting for a psych evaluation and general discharge. The latter of which they should give to every ass-covering, empathetic retard in his CoC that ignored the direct supervisors concerns.

171 None of this came up in his background investigations?

172 I suspect that this guy got breaks because he was a homo.

173 hahaha! So, Hammy's car got impounded because she had expired tags. The lying skank!

174 To answer the "what kind of job is intelligence" guy, I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1971.  They did ask me what I wanted to do.  They then told me what I was going to do.  They were not the same.

I didn't throw any chairs.  It turned out to be far better than anything I could have imagined, but that's another sea story.

175 Topsecretk9: Hammie is still going at it and lashing out at this guy Shoq. Apparently, not having your pillow fluffed daily is akin to torture. LOL!

176 23 Clearly this man is not fit to conduct one of my high speed trains that will singlehandedly win the future.   On the contwary.  This fine young man is just the type we need to wun our new wailroads.  

177 How about being really politically incorrect here. Have the trial, after conviction...HANG PVT MANNING!!!  Then make poster of him hanging from the neck....black hood , of course. While we are at it...Jane Fonda comes to mind.

178 Obviously his CoC were fucktards, if you're that desperate for someone to deploy it seems it's never been a problem to yank people from elsewhere. I find it hard to believe that someone like that was essential to a mission in any way shape or form. Epic failure.

179 105

Time to get the social engineering out of the army, and return to a more reality-oriented way of doing things.  It won't fix every problem (my friends who served in the army had a hundred stories of horrific and systemic wrongness) but it would go a long way toward keeping the useful folks, and dumping the worthless/dangerous pukes.

Correction:

Time to get the social engineering out of the United States and return to a more reality-oriented way of doing things.  It won't fix every problem (my friends who served in various industries had a hundred stories of horrific and systemic wrongness) but it would go a long way toward keeping the useful folks, and dumping the worthless/dangerous pukes.

180 altın çilek - fx15 - leke kremi - yudali - zayıflama hapı - ozon yağı