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July 18, 2011

Uh-Oh: Dem-Leaning Polling Firm Puts Romney Ahead of Obama In Michigan
— Ace

I don't know if this is intrinsic to Romney, per se. The poll specifies the Romney-Obama head-to-head, of course. But maybe Romney could be a stand-in for any nonthreatening sort of "Generic Republican."

Is there any plausible path to victory for Obama that doesn't include Michigan?

he poll showed 46% of likely voters either supporting or leaning toward supporting Romney, compared to 42% supporting or leaning toward supporting Obama, with 12% undecided. Romney is considered to be the presumptive frontrunner among the large field of Republicans running for the nomination to face the Democrat, Obama, next year.

Actually, this is the second finding that Romney leads in Michigan; his support as far as certain voters actually sagged a little in this one.

Thanks to CAC. He adds:

Romney currently leads or ties in MI,IA,NV,NC,PA,FL,NH. Added to the 180EV's from 2008 and Indiana, which is an obvious win, that would give Romney an EV total of 287 (assuming that he loses Virginia somehow).
EPIC is headed by a group of former Dem leaders in the state, so if they are showing Obama down, he is down here.

NOT endorsing Romney, but the perception that Obama is still "leading" is just utter horseshit. Kos' own pollster, PPP, found just butt-ugly stats out of Pennsylvania, our eternal political cocktease

Romney does tie Obama in PA, according to a Kos poll.

Posted by: Ace at 06:12 PM | Comments (85)
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1 and yet I still get this sickening feeling Obama will win in 2012.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:13 PM (Z71Vg)

First?

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:14 PM (HjxoE)

3 Well it's kinda hard to imagine Obama losing Michigan, actually. He's going to speechify that "Republicans tried to destroy the auto industry but I saved it" and they will believe it.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 06:14 PM (1N25r)

4 What is Michigan's U3 unemployment, over 12%? That might be the key.

Posted by: fluffy at July 18, 2011 06:14 PM (SwkdU)

5 from hair weave to hair wave?

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2011 06:15 PM (EzuND)

6 Memba what happened the last time we let Dems pick our candidate for us?

Posted by: Gazzer at July 18, 2011 06:15 PM (P6Hce)

7 right, this is probably just a tease. Still... I just like seeing bad news for Obama.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2011 06:15 PM (nj1bB)

8 Besides, last I checked, Detroit is still in Michigan.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 06:15 PM (1N25r)

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 10:14 PM (HjxoE)

Nope!!

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:15 PM (Z71Vg)

10 Romney has family history in Michigan where his Dad was Governor and an important Auto Man last time Detroit was on the precipice.

OT,

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Posted by: Sack Puppet at July 18, 2011 06:16 PM (mLAWK)

11 Damn. Anyway, I'll take a little good news, thank you very much.

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:16 PM (HjxoE)

12 9 - too quick for me

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:16 PM (HjxoE)

Still... I just like seeing bad news for Obama.

Me too. He makes him all testy and shit and I love it when he gets testy because then his true colors begin to emerge. The worse the news is, the more he will show his true self. He may be a genius (according to some) but he's also a narcissist.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:18 PM (Z71Vg)

14 After carefully weighting this poll thread...

First!!!!

Posted by: cbs polling at July 18, 2011 06:18 PM (oUG6f)

15 There is no path to victory for O without PA; having to fight for MI takes money away from it and other recent purple states. If the RNC can manage to grab a stranglehold on OH and FL, retake VA, NC, and worry about CO if it's even a possibility, the incumbent JEF is fighting on multiple geographic, demographic, and "gimme!!" fronts at once.

THAT is how you wishcast, people.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 18, 2011 06:20 PM (D+phB)

9 - too quick for me

Considering my really shit day, I'm surprised I was that fast! Had a little to much to drink, been a bad day here.. saving it for the ONT.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:20 PM (Z71Vg)

17 It's BALL-DIPPIN' TIME!

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 18, 2011 06:20 PM (2G2Xo)

18 17 It's BALL-DIPPIN' TIME!

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 18, 2011 10:20 PM (2G2Xo)

May I recommend Tobasco?

Posted by: J...E...F...JEF! at July 18, 2011 06:21 PM (D+phB)

19 Where's the Intrade troll when you need it?

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 18, 2011 06:21 PM (N8HQT)

20 13 - and petulant, whiny, egotistical, lazy, preachy, and a really bad liar. I tried to go easy.

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:21 PM (HjxoE)

21 We've got a lot of GOP-candidate savaging and self-immolation to do before next year.

Posted by: sifty at July 18, 2011 06:22 PM (ECjvn)

22 16 - oh yay! That should make the ONT fun

I got the house to myself tonight, so buckle your seat belts, bitches...

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:22 PM (HjxoE)

23 Obama's done if the economy continues to falter. If we're looking at 9+% UE and flat/slightly negative GDP numbers then his goose is cooked. The fact that he's taking such a hard line on the the debt ceiling and you have SJL out there (i know, I know) playing the race card already says to me that his internals are horrible. I almost feel sorry for the guy...almost.

Posted by: volfan at July 18, 2011 06:23 PM (Wv02x)

24 Dem-Leaning Polling Firm Puts Romney Ahead of Obama In Michigan You're going to have to go further left, Zero!

Posted by: t-bird at July 18, 2011 06:23 PM (FcR7P)

25 16 - oh, and I'm sorry to hear you had a suck-ish day

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:24 PM (HjxoE)

26 Dammit, it's 7:23 PDT, Ace is still throwing up posts and the ONT is nowhere in sight. Can any of you fellow fapaholics tell me what is wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Peaches at July 18, 2011 06:24 PM (afUO8)

27 I'm still firmly in Generic's camp.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 18, 2011 06:24 PM (jx2j9)

28 May I recommend Tobasco?

Great Balls O' Fire!

Posted by: Jerry Lee Lewis at July 18, 2011 06:25 PM (MMC8r)

29 28 - Hang in there, lady. Any minute now. I hope.

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:25 PM (HjxoE)

30 I'm still firmly in Generic's camp.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 18, 2011 10:24 PM (jx2j9)

I voted for him last time, the grouchy old prick lost.

Posted by: robtr at July 18, 2011 06:25 PM (MtwBb)

31 24 Obama's done if the economy continues to falter. If we're looking at 9+% UE and flat/slightly negative GDP numbers then his goose is cooked. The fact that he's taking such a hard line on the the debt ceiling and you have SJL out there (i know, I know) playing the race card already says to me that his internals are horrible. I almost feel sorry for the guy...almost.

Posted by: volfan at July 18, 2011 10:23 PM (Wv02x)

You give SJL too much credit - it's not like she can take direction. Her retardery is more internally driven, and independent of aught but unearned ego. Nice handle, by the way.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 18, 2011 06:25 PM (D+phB)

Considering my really shit day, I'm surprised I was that fast! Had a little to much to drink, been a bad day here.. saving it for the ONT.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 10:20 PM (Z71Vg)

Big hug, girlfriend. About to join you in the "too much to drink" zone, sorry about your day, I was hoping it was just me . . .

Posted by: Peaches at July 18, 2011 06:26 PM (afUO8)

33 Good news: Romney leads Obama in a must have Democratic state.

Bad news: Romney? We're not really going to do that are we?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 18, 2011 06:27 PM (y07gN)

Big hug, girlfriend. About to join you in the "too much to drink" zone, sorry about your day, I was hoping it was just me . . .

Posted by: Peaches at July 18, 2011 10:26 PM (afUO

Nope it was a shitty day here today too. The sun is beating down and it's hotter than hell. It got up to 72 today. I'm dyin here.

Posted by: robtr at July 18, 2011 06:28 PM (MtwBb)

Big hug, girlfriend. About to join you in the "too much to drink" zone, sorry about your day, I was hoping it was just me . . .

Aww, thanks Peaches and twice blessed mom. You girls are awesome. Hope to be able to meet you someday!!

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:28 PM (Z71Vg)

36 35 Good news: Romney leads Obama in a must have Democratic state.

Bad news: Romney? We're not really going to do that are we?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 18, 2011 10:27 PM (y07gN)

Depends...where does he stand on mosques?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 18, 2011 06:28 PM (D+phB)

37 Bad news: Romney? We're not really going to do that are we?

Thank you! And let's not forget to tip our waitresses tonight. Particularly the non-union ones who show up and get 'er done when they are supposed to. 7:29 PDT, in case anyone is without a timepiece.

Posted by: Peaches at July 18, 2011 06:29 PM (afUO8)

38 Folks, I believe--with rather strong confidence that unless you know who pulls a rather gigantic political rabbit, say on the size of the Orion Nebula, out of a certain orifice, that it will not be close next year. The key results from last November were in Ohio and Wisconsin. If he has to play defense in Michigan and Pennsylvania we're going to walk.

Buck up, gang. He's not a hundred feet tall. As we have repeatedly pointed out.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2011 06:29 PM (7utQ2)

Nope it was a shitty day here today too. The sun is beating down and it's hotter than hell. It got up to 72 today. I'm dyin here.

Oh STFU! It was already in the damn 90's at 10:00 am with 80 percent humidity!

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:29 PM (Z71Vg)

40 Can any of you fellow fapaholics tell me what is wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Peaches at July 18, 2011 10:24 PM (afUO

Ahh ken tell ya son, that languishin', just as us black folk been languishin' all these yeaas, ain't gonna be bringin' that overly nocturnal emittin' thread no soona. Heaa?

Posted by: Rev. Jesse Jackson at July 18, 2011 06:30 PM (jx2j9)

41 Nope it was a shitty day here today too. The sun is beating down and it's hotter than hell. It got up to 72 today. I'm dyin here.

DENIALIST!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2011 06:30 PM (7utQ2)

42 I have a feeling Obama is going to lose in 2012. The hope and change is dead. Take it to the bank.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 18, 2011 06:30 PM (0fzsA)

Buck up, gang. He's not a hundred feet tall. As we have repeatedly pointed out.

I hope you are right but I didn't think he had a snowballs chance in 08 either.

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:31 PM (Z71Vg)

44 Rubio for VP. Rubio for VP. Rubio for VP.

What I say three times is true!

Posted by: Brett_McS at July 18, 2011 06:31 PM (q+fa8)

45 37 - that would be great! ONT girls unite!

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:31 PM (HjxoE)

that would be great! ONT girls unite!

We are you twiceblessed?

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:32 PM (Z71Vg)

47 I do think Romney would barely win after a very very ugly election where Obama/nutroots/institutional left/LSM/rabid badgers (but I repeat myself) will have no ideas or record to run Obama on. All they will have is "OH NOES !!1!1! Look at Romney's crazy religion!"

All of these poll numbers are before the left ramps up their "flood the country with anti-LDS bigoted Alysnki operation." Maybe Perry or T-Paw can spare us all that.

Sorry was that a 2012 spoiler? Can it be an actual "spoiler" if it is more predictable then a Disney or Lifetime movie?

Posted by: Sack Puppet at July 18, 2011 06:33 PM (mLAWK)

48 jewells & Peaches sorry about your crappy day

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 06:33 PM (1N25r)

49 Snark-free guy posting the Deep Impact of Obama policy.

The real reason Democrats have refused to release a budget for 800 days: they know that S&P will downgrade the U.S. if it passes

Posted by: sTevo at July 18, 2011 06:33 PM (VMcEw)

50 Oop, thats *where* are you?

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:33 PM (Z71Vg)

51 What I say three times is true!
Posted by: Brett_McS at July 18, 2011 10:31 PM (q+fa

I rather like the ring of "Majority Leader Marco Rubio". It would be excellent to see one of our own (a real one, not Mitch McC) control the Senate calendar. A man can hope, after all.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 18, 2011 06:34 PM (D+phB)

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 10:33 PM (1N25r)

Thanks chemjeff. How are you handling this horrible heat wave?

Posted by: jewells45 at July 18, 2011 06:34 PM (Z71Vg)

53 48 - FL and the ONT is up

Posted by: twiceblessedmom at July 18, 2011 06:34 PM (HjxoE)

54 I hope you are right but I didn't think he had a snowballs chance in 08 either.

2008 was their perfect storm and I knew after the Palin bump faded that it just wasn't possible. Conditions are different now. The one thing that will kill us is if whoever the nominee is pulls a McCain and goes all soft in the last six weeks. What the hell was that? I don't think even Romney would do that.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2011 06:34 PM (7utQ2)

55 Mittens!

Posted by: Mittens! at July 18, 2011 06:35 PM (1N25r)

56 jewells staying indoors and drinking beer

how about you?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 06:35 PM (1N25r)

57 Is ridiculous to wonder if Obama will be the Democratic candidate?
And if not, who could step in now?

Posted by: free opinions while they last at July 18, 2011 06:36 PM (zMG/R)

58 I was just talking to a guy here at Applebee's - he decided to spend the 99+ degree day floating down the river in a canoe, except that he did more paddling than floating, and his "planning" with him & his 2 buddies consisted of bringing 2 Lunchables (for the 3 of them), 1 bottle of water each, and... 66 cans of beer.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2011 06:36 PM (1N25r)

59 chemjeff - remember Obama saved the UAW, not the auto industry. Those emails about how the WHouse let the non-union pensions at Delphi and other parts suppliers go down the tubes probably hurt more people in MI then the UAW has still employed there. Plus, with Detroit hemorrhaging population, the urban kick might not be there.

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2011 06:37 PM (7P7Ij)

60 I really have never followed CAC's thinking when he lays out a bunch of states that represent a single sampling snapshot at a single moment in time through our own selection bias of what polls to look at. It's silly.

Rather, look at the electoral pathways. Romney's template is George W. Bush in 2000. If you consider NV, CO, IA, WI, MI, PA, VA, NH as toss-ups, Romney has 19 winning combinations without any state necessary to all winning strategies. Obama has 8 pathways, all of which rely on MI and PA.

Given Census2010 changes, Romney can lose Colorado and Nevada from W2000 and still win with 270. Nevada is on the order of 10% Mormon with economic problems, so it will be a good state to look to. He can also play in Wisconsin and Michigan, the latter state will cause Obama to expend much resources as it's a necessary state. Virginia will be decided by the Senate rematch.

Apply the state demographics, current polling and economic modeling on top and you find Romney is likely undervalued in the information exchanges given his general election chances, mostly as a discount because the conservatives like you are still beating him up.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at July 18, 2011 06:47 PM (EEOfv)

61 Who the hell is sjl?

Posted by: D. Hopper at July 18, 2011 06:49 PM (kBWjM)

Sheila Jackson Lee

Thread at Michelle Malkin, maybe Hot Air too, about her

Posted by: Arbalest at July 18, 2011 06:51 PM (YZDMu)

63 Not only is Detroit's overall population down [makes it harder to 'steal' non-existent voters] but the current Clerk is evidently serious about cleaning the voter list. At least she did a decent job before the 2010 elections.

And there are a great many people here who aren't wild about how the UAW got saved while everyone else [pretty much] is getting cuts.

I think it is more uphill here for Obama than history would indicate.

And if *any* reasonable candidate would run against Debbie Stupidcow I don't care how much damn money she has, she'd lose. I simply don't understand why no one wants to run against her.

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at July 18, 2011 07:00 PM (290l2)

64 I've lived in Michigan all my life, including the Carter years, and things have never been so bad here. People are fed up, and even long-time Union people are looking for a change. I really don't see Obummer winning Michigan at all. He isn't going to get any votes from the west or the north of the state, and his big stupid liberal stronghold of Detroit is an empty wasteland that isn't big enough to save him now. The Detroit suburbs used ro vote liberal in big numbers to help pad out Detroit's numbers, but Downriver is going conservative now, since people are finally waking up to the bankruptcy of liberal policies I think, given where it has obviously taken them now. I think people are in for a big surprise come Nov. '12. I'm calling it right now - Michigan is going red for the first time in decades by say, oh, 5 points or so, I'm gonna predict.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2011 07:05 PM (wiCt4)

65 66 cans of beer. in the boat...
66 cans of beer...

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 18, 2011 07:07 PM (UrPTC)

66 59 Is ridiculous to wonder if Obama will be the Democratic candidate?
And if not, who could step in now?

Posted by: free opinions while they last at July 18, 2011 10:36 PM (zMG/R)

hillary clinton?

Posted by: curious at July 18, 2011 07:18 PM (k1rwm)

67 Wasn't Romney's father a popular governor of Michigan. I'm sure that helps too

Posted by: Ben at July 18, 2011 07:25 PM (DKV43)

68 I want to see Obama go down in flames so that his tight puckered ass hurts for the next twenty years......... Obama loses in a landslide ! Who wants four more years of his commie crap... Maybe when he sees that he is going to lose by double digits he may do use a favor and quit... Oh please GOD make this happen ...... To my fellow blacks, Obama is a traitor and a commie...Do we really want this shit ?????

Posted by: LaQuisha Johnson at July 18, 2011 07:29 PM (qXGZK)

Romney is leading despite the perception of many Michiganders that he wanted to sellout GM and Chrysler during the days prior to the bailout. He definitely was against the government doing the deed, and wanted a true bankruptcy proceding. I think he overcomes this issue in Michigan now, based on the results of the bailout, as many here think now maybe he was right. Especially GM bond holders, who were shafted royally. Obama has less and less support every day. BO has done nothing for Detroit and that is a fact. The Dem turnout will be lower in 2012 than in 2008, significantly, and the state redistricting plan looks to be quite advantageous to the R guys.

He was here some months back and I went to his event, he asked me for money of course, and I had to give it a bit of thought first.

I'm still thinking it over.

Posted by: MisterMoney at July 18, 2011 07:31 PM (wN82N)

70 I might be wrong but it seems like Detroit has hit bottom so badly that they're finally ready to kick the assholes out who got them there. I realized this last year when they kicked Kwame's mother out of her elected job that she held forever and a day and thought "Dayum those fuckers have finally woke up".

Believe me, they're much further along than Cleveland is who still keeps electing cocksuckers like Kucinich although he's getting redistricted out of existence and will pack his carpetbag for Washington state where he can stink it up.

Also in Dave Bing I think people of Detroit finally have a mayor who wants to do the right thing; too bad for him that things are so fucking bad though....

Still I wouldn't be surprised if Bammy has a tough road in Meechigan.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2011 07:33 PM (zsvKP)

71 Fuck Romney. I don't want another McCain POS.

Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2011 07:51 PM (fh2Y7)

72 Obama is in HUGE trouble. You barely even see the left defending him on the economy these days because they know it is screwed and won't meaningfully recover by November 2012, if at all. All they have is ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK! Do not fall for the electability stuff the media will tout with Romney. We can do better than him. Obama will lose to any one of a handful of our candidates because his record is atrocious and the people know it. They see their friends and families who have been out of work. Slick ads won't change that.

Posted by: Dan at July 18, 2011 07:55 PM (mXBxH)

73 Posted by: Dan at July 18, 2011 11:55 PM (mXBxH)

todya on CNBC they were basically saying "it's the housing crisis stupid" and saying we can't recover unless housing recovers and, as is, they don't see any recovery until 2014.

Just saying that date doesn't bode well for reelection unless somehow only dems vote in the election or something.

Posted by: curious at July 18, 2011 08:03 PM (k1rwm)

74 You know what the mass exodus from Detroit means? Plenty of names of previously registered voters that can be used to manipulate the election and keep it blue.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at July 18, 2011 08:26 PM (mRKwV)

75 LOLOLLLO!!!1111LOL Romney is a mormon. the electorate will vote in a scientologist in America before it votes MORMON.

Posted by: wheelers cat at July 18, 2011 08:36 PM (o4KFi)

76 Rational or not, there is a strong cultural memory connection/narrative involving Romney and Michigan. I don't just mean that his dad was Governor, or even that he ran AMC, but that "phenomenally successful Michigan kid grows up, leaves state, finances successful businesses, fixes Olympics, and becomes, like his dad, Governor, while Michigan goes down and down. And down. Those who have not left the state who aren't Medicaid wards see could very well see Romney as kind of a savior, or at least symbol of hope.

Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 18, 2011 09:51 PM (oISis)

77 Look, 2012 boils down to this at the top of the ticket: barring an economic miracle which looks highly unlikely due to Obama's anti-business policies, practices, and rhetoric, if the election is about Obama, he loses.

So Obama will spend all his money* and the DNC's demonizing the GOP nominee. This is why I think we need an experienced but somewhat boring figure, someone who is hard to paint as nuts or extreme. Pawlenty was attractive in this respect, but so are Romney and Perry. There aren't likely to be any surprises about any of them coming out, and it will be hard to portray them as out of the mainstream with their years of public life.

For some reason, the media fell all over Huntsman when he declared, assuming the same thing perhaps, or maybe he was just so close to Obama he won them through the reflected glory.

* Despite the media fawning over Obama's fundraising, he is behind where he was in 2007 at this point, and even behind Bush in 2003. So it ain't nearly so impressive as they make it sound.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 18, 2011 09:57 PM (VfmLu)

78 I think I will be okay with Romney. Sure he's a bit RINO and all, but consider the budget cuts - I'd rather have Romney handling the meetings than frickin' Obama. At some point, leadership and management play a role at least as important as political ideology, and Romney, even as a RINO, isn't going to be defending every program and refusing to make any cuts, etc. The next 4 years will be round after round of budget cutting. I think I'd rather have the GOP, even with some of the RINOs doing it than the Dems, who can be complete dicks and the media doesn't call them on it. BTW, do you know that every increase of 1% in the interest rate would cause our deficit to go up 1.06 trillion dollars? That means we will have multiple rounds of cuts. There will be no deal that fixes it for good I don't want to have to listen to Obama whine anymore.

Posted by: sexypig at July 18, 2011 10:26 PM (VwxAL)

79 the MFM is pushing Romney so they can get Ear Leader re-elected.Mc:

he is the McLame of this cycle and yet everyone is still buying into the bullshit.

enough already! as the slogan on the old Wallace button my folks have with Humphrey & Nixon on it says "Not a dime's worth of difference between them"

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2011 11:15 PM (d1FhN)

80 ABO

Posted by: toby928™ at July 19, 2011 03:47 AM (GTbGH)

81 1. Anybody But Obama
2. Anybody Romney
'nuff said

Posted by: Pragmatic at July 19, 2011 04:48 AM (AEKuS)

82 I meant: 2. Anybody But Romney

Posted by: Pragmatic at July 19, 2011 04:48 AM (AEKuS)

83 A republican presidential candidate will not win MI. Not in 2012, and probably not for decades to come. No way. No matter how bad it gets in MI, the dopes will just blame Bush that much more. This state is run by teacher unions, UAW, liberals. They would've re-elected Granholm to another term if she could've run again. Don't get your hopes up for MI because it will not happen. This state has gone full-retard long time ago.

Posted by: D-FENS at July 19, 2011 07:59 AM (FbBtq)

84 We need a Reagan to win Michigan, nbot another weak kneed, RINO who is scared of his own shadow, not another Drewophile.

Posted by: Molon Labe at July 19, 2011 12:09 PM (g5MrG)

85 IÂ’ve been looking everywhere for this! Thank goodness I found it on Bing.Thx

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