April 21, 2011

Unbelievable-Slash-Inevitable: Wonkette Plays the Homophobe Card
— Ace

In a tweet, Wonkette announces that their former advertiser, Papa John's, is not only "shitty," but "homophobic." Clarification/Correction: The tweet was by "Wonkette" and not necessarily Ken Layne, as I first assumed. Maybe it's him, maybe it's some other shrieking ninny. I don't know who does their tweeting.

Homophobic = not giving gays a pass on every nasty thing they say or do. That is the only possible definition of the word he can be using to get to this conclusion.

The site was just as gay when Papa John's was advertising on it before. The only difference is that they posted that nasty Trig post.

So the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the gentleman scholars at Wonkette believe that only homophobes could ever hold gays responsible for their actions. Truly enlightened people give them a pass on everything.

Because they're gay.

By the way, I don't know who's gay or not over there. I don't read the site (except for its regularly-scheduled Traffic Drive Outrages like this). But apparently the whole site is gay, because Ken Layne thinks the gay card can be played in favor of anything written there.

Patterico (at the link) also notes that Ken Layne apparently can't count how many children he has -- in an email to one person, he claims two plus another on the way; in another email, he claims four.

In more fallout:

Gutfeld uses a comic approach.

Tommy Christopher (who reveals, purely for context, that he is a father of two special needs children) attempts to cadge some repentance out of the unrepentant Ken Layne.

I deduct a point from Christopher for buying into the whole justification that "Palin uses Trig as a prop." In what sense? That a mother is seen in public with her child?

I do not think the left would give that justification creedance if jokes about a prominent liberal politicians' kids (I won't say who, as that would sound like a threat, and I actually don't mean to be threatening; I wouldn't do it; we wouldn't do it) suddenly became the fodder for nasty partisan "jokes."

But in fact we have seen plenty of some other politicians' kids. To some extent, every politician uses kids as "props" in the sense that they all know that kids = warm feeling. On the other hand, showing your kids is just normal. It's your life, after all, and you're selling not just your policies but the sum total of your life experiences.

I wouldn't attack Barack Obama for granting Access Hollywood exclusive interviews with his daughters. I most assuredly would not attack his daughters, who I assume just do what daddy says.

But the left feels differently. Because they never ask the shoe-on-the-other-foot question. They don't think that applies to them -- they are very comfortable, and very accustomed, to double-standards that work perpetually in their favor and vindictively against their opponents.

The noble tradition of classic liberalism descended into cynical leftism right around the same time they stopped asking the shoe-on-the-other-foot question, which is, at its heart, about trying to create fair and equal standards for all.

When they became the New (Disgusting) Left, they stopped with all that idealistic hokum and just focused on At Any Cost.

Related Nonsense: Tina Fey's pretty sure that the ill-will she generated from her Sarah Palin impression is all due to sexism.

“No one ever said it was ‘mean’ when Chevy Chase played Gerald Ford falling down all the time. No one ever accused Dana Carvey or Darrell Hammond or Dan Aykroyd of ‘going too far’ in their political impressions. You see what I’m getting at here,” Ms. Fey writes.

Robert J. Thompson, the founding director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular Culture at Syracuse University, is skeptical of Ms. Fey’s insinuation that the flak she’s taken is a “gender issue.”

“I’m not aware of Amy Poehler, for example, getting much grief about her impersonation of Hillary Clinton,” he says.

And let me note that no mere head writer on SNL has every been relentlessly boosted before by a media determined to make her a star, based on her gender.

And don't tell me there weren't hysterical head writers before -- Jim Downey, there's a great head writer. But he never got constantly hyped into his own TV show.

Tina Fey somehow doesn't notice sexism when maybe it's working in her favor.

And no, I'm not claiming she's not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success.

But a lot of people deserve success, but never get their shot. Tina Fey not only got her shot but she got like five of them. Based mostly on the novelty of a woman making it in the tough and very male world of comedy writing.


Thanks to RD for that.

Posted by: Ace at 07:45 AM | Comments (152)
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1 Brilliant way to attract sponsors by trashing those that leave on principle.  What a fucking dumbass.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 21, 2011 07:55 AM (vEVry)

2 Gays eat pizza?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 21, 2011 07:56 AM (4MkV+)

3

The site was just as gay when Papa John's was advertising on it before. The only difference is that they posted that nasty Trig post.

 

Something tells me that ordering the "extra-white cheeze" pizza was a bad idea.

Posted by: Blue Velvet Hen at April 21, 2011 07:57 AM (6rX0K)

4 But when Congresswoman Jackie Speier used her own abortion as a political prop to defend Planned Parenthood, that was just fine, right?

Posted by: David Letterman at April 21, 2011 07:57 AM (PLvLS)

5 The homo card will not buy food when the shit hits the fan.

¡VIVA LA REVOLUCÍON!

Posted by: Bob Saget at April 21, 2011 07:57 AM (F/4zf)

6 Papa John's is a no go on Passover or I'd order 2 pies right now. (But the Paja John's web site is excellent-click on pepperoni-poof-it's on the virtual pie your building!)

Posted by: Pecos Bill at April 21, 2011 07:57 AM (j84s0)

7 Gays eat pizza?

Double sausage!

I stole that one.

Posted by: Andrew Sullyvan at April 21, 2011 07:58 AM (2PTT7)

8

This sounds like homophobe talk to me ace.

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 07:58 AM (wuv1c)

9 Homophobic? You keep usthing that word. I do not think it meansth what you think it meansth.

Posted by: Initgoes Montoya at April 21, 2011 07:58 AM (Q1lie)

10
yeah, and that noodle restaurant is NOODLEPHOBIC for not allowing noodle employees to be creative with the noodles!


Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 07:58 AM (uFokq)

11 Hey, come back and advertise with us you shitty pizza chain or I'll keep calling you a homophobe!

Posted by: Ken Layne's Advice to Salespeople at April 21, 2011 07:59 AM (y3wz3)

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 21, 2011 07:59 AM (PLvLS)

13 This is kind of like Tina Fey playing the sexism card w/r/t people's negative reaction to the Palin parody.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 08:00 AM (7a1y5)

14 It's pretty bad when saying "neener neener neener" makes you look relatively erudite.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 21, 2011 08:01 AM (vEVry)

15 In the end Wonkette is little different from Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church; they justify any incivility or pain they cause others in the service to their own god.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at April 21, 2011 08:02 AM (y3wz3)

16 Somehow lefties have come to the mistaken conclusion that THEIR actions have no consequences.

I blame their parents...

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 21, 2011 08:02 AM (OtQXp)

17 Damn.  I've got a craving for Papa John's now. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:02 AM (UOM48)

18

I like how The Atlantic's National Journal scores the fight and gives more points to Wonkette.

 

the comments section is pretty good too. ( i should note you don't have to register to comment there, wink wink)

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 08:02 AM (wuv1c)

19 17 In the end Wonkette is little different from Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church; they justify any incivility or pain they cause others in the service to their own god.


thread winner

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:02 AM (UOM48)

20
I'm gonna treat myself to some Papa John's pizza real soon I think.

Posted by: dan-O at April 21, 2011 08:03 AM (bRLuD)

21

 Damn.  I've got a craving for Papa John's now. 

it's the best chain store pizza you can buy. I used to order them in college all the time.

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 08:04 AM (wuv1c)

22
Let's recap.

i. Jack Stuef made a mistake, but it was really Sarah Palin's fault for a) using the baby as prop, and b) having the baby, in the first place.

ii. We're sorry...and, btw, Papa Johns hates homosexuals.


Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:05 AM (uFokq)

23 Papa Johns - Better Ingredients. Better Morals.

/I need to hit up a few of them sometime soon.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 21, 2011 08:05 AM (9hSKh)

24

The whole damn place is gay.

Apparently.


Posted by: s'moron at April 21, 2011 08:06 AM (UaxA0)

25 Speaking of the ads....

This is rich....

1-800-Flowers hadn't pulled their ads yet. They're on Wonkette advertising for....wait for it...Mother's Day.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:07 AM (7dkEj)

26 Papa John's was already likely dinner for this evening, but that's sealed now.  And for all time if it wasn't already...

Down with Wonkette!  Viva Papa John's!

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord© at April 21, 2011 08:08 AM (GBXon)

27

the comments section is pretty good too. ( i should note you don't have to register to comment there, wink wink)

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 12:02 PM (wuv1c)

Whoa, Caitlin Dicksuck is being beaten like she owes everybody money.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 21, 2011 08:08 AM (vEVry)

28

it's the best chain store pizza you can buy. I used to order them in college all the time.

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 12:04 PM (wuv1c)

That shit is disgusting.  Gets me sick every time I've eaten it.

Where is there not a real Pizzeria?  Why would anyone choose to eat that shit?

 

Posted by: garrett at April 21, 2011 08:08 AM (9ZHgM)

29
btw, what has Sarah said about all this?

or, rather: Has Sarah injected herself into this story, yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (uFokq)

30

I can't imagine homosexuals are big fans of attacking handicapped people. So I will be suprised if a lot of gay groups come out in his defense.

 

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (wuv1c)

31 so whent the Left calls Breitbart Gay, are they insulting  or supporting Him. I'm so confused!!

Posted by: willow at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (h+qn8)

32 My girls love Papa Johns, mainly because they think those little garlic sauce tubs they give you, nevertheless I'll treat them (again) after Lent.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (IXLvN)

33

They're all Twinks! 

 It was a setup!!!!

Posted by: Geroge Costanza at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (9ZHgM)

34 I remember right around when the Palin kids were shown at the GOP convention and reading all over the Leftosphere that they were now "fair game."  Exact words.  As if there was some technical barrier after which it was considered right and proper to publicly destroy children.  The technical barrier was - and remains - of course, just a pretext that the Left uses to hide the fact that they truly enjoy destroying children by virtue of the childrens' association with their politician parent.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 21, 2011 08:09 AM (IVQSY)

35 19

I like how The Atlantic's National Journal scores the fight and gives more points to Wonkette.

 

the comments section is pretty good too. ( i should note you don't have to register to comment there, wink wink)


Thanks, Ben.  I just posted there.  I think I recognized a few moron's comments.  Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:10 AM (UOM48)

36 I need an editor.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2011 08:10 AM (IXLvN)

37

Let me get this straight - it's cool to mock Trig because Sarah uses him as a "political prop". When called out for being an ass, Layne throws up his hands and says "It's only a joke! I have kids too!"

Using kids as a prop = evil

Using kids as a shield = totally cool

This is why I don't understand the left.

 

Posted by: landshark at April 21, 2011 08:10 AM (w9bWB)

38

"The noble tradition of classic liberalism descended into cynical leftism right around the same time they stopped asking the shoe-on-the-other-foot question, which is, at its heart, about trying to create fair and equal standards for all."

That's at the heart of everything these days.  From Obama seeming to claim the rich don't pay more income tax already to segregated dorms being the new 'anti'-racist trend.   They permit 'peace' groups with ties to HAMAS to recruit jihadi fodder on campus but not the US military.  

 

Posted by: Beagle at April 21, 2011 08:11 AM (sOtz/)

39

Lady Meghan McCain will still order pizza from Papa John's...and beef sandwiches from Arby's...and cheesecakes from Eli's....and thickburgers from Hardee's...

And speaking of pizza delivery guys, what's Levi Johnston's up to? 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 21, 2011 08:13 AM (81qtQ)

40 So, what's Sushi and Malaria doing nowadays?

Posted by: CUS at April 21, 2011 08:15 AM (wOGfT)

41

This is why I don't understand the left.

 

Posted by: landshark at April 21, 2011 12:10 PM (w9bWB)

don't try to. everything they espouse is a load of bologna.

only useful tools to be drug out to smash the knees of their political opponents, now i just laugh or heckle them .

Posted by: willow at April 21, 2011 08:15 AM (h+qn8)

42 I can't remember ONE conservative making any jokes about the Obama girls even when the First Fatass was in public discussing their BMI's to push for Obamacare.

am I wrong?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:15 AM (7dkEj)

43 BMIs? 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 21, 2011 08:16 AM (81qtQ)

44 From Caitlin Dickson, scrunt:

Who's Winning: The original Wonkette post was, if activism, pretty tasteless activism. Derek Hunter scored a win for his side by getting Papa John's to withdraw advertising. Yet you also have to give Wonkette credit for turning the tables that quickly and ferociously to defend and clarify the original post. Who knows how this will end up. The only thing we can say definitively is that Papa John's does not win for unwittingly getting in the middle of all this when a shockingly low number of their customers probably read Wonkette.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:16 AM (UOM48)

45

Thanks, Ben.  I just posted there.  I think I recognized a few moron's comments.  Heh.

yeah, mine is the one about how it's high time someone took special needs kids down a notch

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2011 08:16 AM (wuv1c)

46

 Brilliant way to attract sponsors by trashing those that leave on principle.  What a fucking dumbass.

Well, duh, we want to show potential advertisers that we want to keep their business!

Posted by: Jack Stuef at April 21, 2011 08:17 AM (Ew27I)

47
BMIs?



Booty Mass Index?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (7YzRS)

48 Maybe it's him, maybe it's some other shrieking ninny.

Sthrieking ninny? Now that'sth homophobic right there. Bitcth.

Posted by: Initgoes Montoya at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (Q1lie)

49
The only thing we can say definitively is that Papa John's does
not win for unwittingly getting in the middle of all this when a shockingly low number of their customers probably read Wonkette.



This is what's called "talking out of one's ass."


Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (uFokq)

Posted by: brando at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (fwqRS)

51 BMIs?

Body Mass Index.

You'll become v. familiar with this when your  doctor is forced to limit your care based on your inability to keep yours under control.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (7dkEj)

52 46

Thanks, Ben.  I just posted there.  I think I recognized a few moron's comments.  Heh.

yeah, mine is the one about how it's high time someone took special needs kids down a notch

---------------------

Yeah, and I recognized a Westboro Baptist Church comment.

And moron's should have been morons'..........sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:18 AM (UOM48)

53 They claim Papa John's in homophobic because they used that christian football coach as a spokesperson for a while. That's where that smear comes from.

Posted by: Honey Badger at April 21, 2011 08:19 AM (H0dXA)

54 I just sent an e-mail to 800-FLOWERS informing them I will never use their service again as long as they advertise on a vile and disgusting site like Wonkette.  I used FTD instead to send flowers to mom today.

Posted by: mpfs at April 21, 2011 08:19 AM (iYbLN)

55

We're having Papa John's tonight!!!  I've never been so excited to order Papa John's in my life!!!

Posted by: Thinking Lots, Saying Little at April 21, 2011 08:20 AM (SQvIY)

56
Caitlin Dickson, you stupid cow.

She can 'definitely' say, with authority, that her guess about the amount of Wonkette's readership who patronizes Papa John's is probably maybe low.

Who is this fool?

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:20 AM (uFokq)

57 Christ. Anyone not prancing around in a bedazzled tubetop and hotpants is a homophobe to Wonkette.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:20 AM (7dkEj)

58 But the left feels differently. Because they never ask the shoe-on-the-other-foot question. They don't think that applies to them -- they are very comfortable, and very accustomed, to double-standards that work perpetually in their favor and vindictively against their opponents.

Well said.  I think for most of them it's unconscious.  Like the teacher who attacked Christie:  On the one hand, it was all about the money.  On the other hand, it was all about the children, and that was reason why she was in it.  While in either state of mind, she seemed to have no awareness of the other state--like there were two different people standing there.  I've mentioned this before, but it reminds me of the Monty Hall problem and working memory overload.  Working memory overload is what perpetually hands us these evergreen arguments.  They seem not to be able to reconcile conflicting self-views, so they maintain them both at different times, depending upon what is expedient.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 08:21 AM (7a1y5)

59

Christ. Anyone not prancing around in a bedazzled tubetop and hotpants is a homophobe to Wonkette.

 

Whew...what a relief.

  I'm safe.

Posted by: garrett at April 21, 2011 08:21 AM (9ZHgM)

60

This is why I don't understand the left.

 Posted by: landshark at April 21, 2011 12:10 PM (w9bWB)

You'll understand them better when you accept that they're simply evil and irrational.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 21, 2011 08:21 AM (xUM1Q)

61 Why does Ace of Spades HQ hate gay people?  (Gabe is self-hating, of course.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 21, 2011 08:22 AM (NjYDy)

62 Anyone not prancing around in a bedazzled tubetop and hotpants is a homophobe to Wonkette.

Call me.

Posted by: Richard Simmons at April 21, 2011 08:22 AM (wOGfT)

63 Stupid low-carb diet.  I'd kill for a Papa John's Spicy Italian on a thin crust.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:22 AM (UOM48)

64
Does Caitlin Dickface even know what unwittingly means?

I think she means unwisely.


Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:23 AM (uFokq)

65 No shrine to Lady GagGagin comprised of blood, semen, and feces in your bedroom?

HOMOPHOBE!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:23 AM (7dkEj)

66 Huggie's also cancelled their advertising. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:23 AM (UOM48)

67

>>>Christ. Anyone not prancing around in a bedazzled tubetop and hotpants is a homophobe to Wonkette.

>Whew...what a relief.

>I'm safe.

Yeah, I only have the bedazzled tubetop, so I'm off the hook, right? 

RIGHT?

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 21, 2011 08:24 AM (NjYDy)

68 Why does Ace of Spades HQ hate gay people?  (Gabe is self-hating, of course.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 21, 2011 12:22 PM (NjYDy)


It's because gays use their spouses children as props.

Posted by: Rocks at April 21, 2011 08:24 AM (Q1lie)

69 68 Huggie's also cancelled their advertising.

More companies are following suit:

More Companies Pull Ads From Wonkette After Trig Palin Post

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 21, 2011 08:24 AM (9hSKh)

70 That makes you bisexual, Jeff.

Not good enough though.  HOMOPHOBE!!!!11!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 21, 2011 08:25 AM (7dkEj)

71 Huggie's also cancelled their advertising. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 12:23 PM (UOM4


Why the fuck would Huggies be advertising there to begin with?

Posted by: Rocks at April 21, 2011 08:25 AM (Q1lie)

72
By the end of the week the only advertisers left on Wonkette's gay site will be for gay sex toys and gay escorts.

Just like the rag The Phoenix in Boston.


Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 08:26 AM (uFokq)

73 When someone throws that out, I like to say "What would you know, you have severe depression and multiple personality disorder!"  When they get mad, and say I just made that up, I enjoy saying "Much like how you just made up that I've been diagnosed with a DSM-V Phobia.  But it's ok.  You didn't know any better.  Now go get your shinebox, you schizophrenic rapist."  lulz.

Posted by: brando at April 21, 2011 08:26 AM (fwqRS)

74 " The only thing we can say definitively is that Papa John's does not win for unwittingly getting in the middle of all this when a shockingly low number of their customers probably read Wonkette." I take that to mean that their customers actually work for a living and don't try to pay with food stamps (new Obama currency).

Great comment at ANJ.  Which one of you guys is this?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:27 AM (UOM48)

75

Smell the sweet desperation and witness last gasps of loser regression emanating from the kingdom of lies and hypocrisy that is the modern left.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2011 08:28 AM (0fzsA)

76 Why the fuck would Huggies be advertising there to begin with?

It was appropriate - Wonkette is also full of shit. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 21, 2011 08:28 AM (9hSKh)

77 So in order to not be considered homophobic, I need to advertise on Wonkette? Well, interesting idea for generating revenue, but maybe Wonkette is anti-heterosexual unless it advertises on AoSHQ?

Posted by: Penfold at April 21, 2011 08:28 AM (1PeEC)

78

 The only thing we can say definitively is that Papa John's does not win for unwittingly getting in the middle of all this when a shockingly low number of their customers probably read Wonkette.

So I guess the question is what advertisers are making good use of their money by advertising at Wonkette. Any? Thanks to this Caitlin person for bringing up this point up to any advertisers left.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 21, 2011 08:29 AM (XdlcF)

79 "the whole justification that "Palin uses Trig as a prop"

Haha all pols have done that since forever.  So what...It's got to burn their asses that R's have so many babies and grandkids and stuff.

Posted by: jeannie at April 21, 2011 08:29 AM (GdalM)

80 Some dbag just had this insight on the issue "It's ok to make fun of Trig Palin because it's not like he can read!"

Fucking idiot. Kids with DS can read. If you spent 5 minutes with one instead of pointing and laughing, you'd know that.


Posted by: Lauren at April 21, 2011 08:29 AM (/KhFj)

81 71 68 Huggie's also cancelled their advertising.

More companies are following suit:

More Companies Pull Ads From Wonkette After Trig Palin Post

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 21, 2011 12:24 PM (9hSKh)

Nordstrom's advertised there? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 21, 2011 08:30 AM (UOM48)

82 Why the fuck would Huggies be advertising there to begin with?



They were just part of an ad-network. It wasn't targeted advertising.

Posted by: Lauren at April 21, 2011 08:30 AM (/KhFj)

83 Wonkette don't like Papa John's? Sounds like they have major daddy issues.

Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at April 21, 2011 08:32 AM (uC8K6)

84 Why the fuck would Huggies be advertising there to begin with?

After all the bananas shoved up their tailpipes, their muscles get weakened and they can lose control pretty easily.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: CUS at April 21, 2011 08:32 AM (wOGfT)

85

Wonkette is anti-heterosexual unless it advertises on AoSHQ

Fucking anti-potty-mouthed-pervs. So much for tolerance.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 21, 2011 08:32 AM (XdlcF)

86

Michael Savage encapsulated it with brevity:  it's a mental disorder. 

As with most psychological illnesses, one shows tendencies early in life, then it becomes manifested in full bloom around the time of late adolescence/"transitional adulthood."  This happens to be the time when one is most exposed to the pernicious influences of high school social studies teachers; the vulnerable self-select, go to college, have their psychotic beliefs reinforced, and emerge as pseudo-functional members of society.  In actuality, they've been programmed to serve to undermine the culture--they're predictable and guileless, yet relentless.   

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 21, 2011 08:33 AM (81qtQ)

87 It occurs to me that the Leftards feel solidarity with the Islamic monsters because they are so similar. Except for not having the guts to kill themselves for their "cause". Understandable as their gods have no afterlife to look forward to.

Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2011 08:34 AM (OlN4e)

88 I made poopy.

Posted by: Jack Stoof at April 21, 2011 08:36 AM (uC8K6)

89 "the whole justification that "Palin uses Trig as a prop"

Haha all pols have done that since forever.  So what...It's got to burn their asses that R's have so many babies and grandkids and stuff.

Posted by: jeannie

 

But...but. She has cute smiling kids and all I have to hold up on stage is a specimen jar. Have you tried dressing a specimen jar in a cute costume!?! It's not as easy as it sounds.

Posted by: One of your betters at April 21, 2011 08:37 AM (6rX0K)

90 To some extent, every politician uses kids as "props" in the sense that they all know that kids = warm feeling.

Not just kids -- think of Sarah Brady wheeling Jim around on her crusades to enact the Handgun Violence Prevention Act. Political prop-wielding in the truest sense.

Posted by: Fartnoise at April 21, 2011 08:39 AM (bCxgV)

91 And no, I'm not claiming she's not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success.

My idea of "funny" is "has said or done some things that surprised me, and my instinctive reaction to those surprises was unbidden laughter." She doesn't do that for me, and I don't believe she does it for anybody, because I've never seen it happen. I've seen her get applause, and "I better act like this woman is funny or my girlfriend is gonna go fuck a lifeguard" ha-ha-yeahs, and I've heard comedians say she's funny out of career-minded terror, but that's it.

I realize unforced laughs aren't what people want from comedy nowadays, and they can pay people they call "comedians" however much they want for emceeing their creepy bonding/reassurance/exclusion rituals, but it's not funny. It's chilling.

"She is funny." Look at that.

Posted by: oblig. at April 21, 2011 08:40 AM (xvZW9)

92 I would call what they post on Wonkette unadulterated crap, but I expect it's been as adulterated as those boys could manage.

Posted by: huerfano at April 21, 2011 08:40 AM (6zFxS)

93 they are very comfortable, and very accustomed, to double-standards that work perpetually in their favor and vindictively against their opponents.

It also reminds me of splitting.  It also reminds me of Dissociative Identity Disorder.  In all these cases (like with the working memory overload I mentioned at #59 above), when they're in one state of mind, they can't conceive of another.  So Christopher probably really does think Palin kid = prop.  Right now, anyway. Because it's expedient.  But if we're talking about Obama's kids tomorrow, well, it might not be the same then.  Because that's different.

They don't see themselves doing that.

I think I have more respect for those who do it purposely--for those who are consciously employing different rhetorical angles.  It may be more evil, but it's less animal.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 08:41 AM (7a1y5)

94 Not just kids -- think of Sarah Brady wheeling Jim around on her crusades to enact the Handgun Violence Prevention Act. Political prop-wielding in the truest sense.

That was so wrong.  It was a crazy loon with a Jodie Foster fixation that got a gun not a law abiding gun owner.  He would have found a gun no matter what kind of laws were on the books, he was nuts. I found her propping up the husband distasteful.

Posted by: mpfs at April 21, 2011 08:42 AM (iYbLN)

95 So Papa Johns is homophobic now, huh?

Well, just for that, I'm going to eat a giant slice of Papa Johns pizza while I'm drilling my wife from behind and NOT ONCE am I going to imagine that I'm with Edward Norton.

Not once.

 

Posted by: Warden at April 21, 2011 08:42 AM (fVIlG)

96 I'm not claiming [Tina Fey's] not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success.

See, here's where you and I have a fundamental difference of opinion, Ace. I think she's a dreadfully unfunny hack.

Posted by: Fartnoise at April 21, 2011 08:44 AM (bCxgV)

97 The picture Gutfeld posted was hilarious

Posted by: Jackhole at April 21, 2011 08:45 AM (+qHxi)

98 What really frosted my flakes were the idjits in the #wonkette comments on Twitter who said it was okay because Sarah Palin wasn't his real mom, and gave links.  That they believed in that instance it was okay to trash an innocent 3 year old just blows me away.  Second to that were all of the comments about using Trig as a prop and making money through him.  What? 

If I'm out and about at the grocery store, the park, wherever, I am stuck with the thought that many of the people I see are people who probably believe this way and are people I'd love to slap across the face. 

Posted by: Theresa D at April 21, 2011 08:46 AM (2hQbY)

99 I'm not claiming [Tina Fey's] not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success.

See, here's where you and I have a fundamental difference of opinion, Ace. I think she's a dreadfully unfunny hack.

Posted by: Fartnoise at April 21, 2011 12:44 PM (bCxgV)

 

Couldn't agree more. Not funny and not attractive. She kinda has Obama ears.

 

Posted by: Jackhole at April 21, 2011 08:46 AM (+qHxi)

100

I did my bit. I wandered on over to the Atlantic and noted that even the title of their little puff piece was wrong. Wonkette is not "duking it out with Papa Johns". They chose to duke it out with a toddler, and they are angry that people didn't fawn over them for their decision.

 

This is the Dixie Chicks stupidity all over again.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 21, 2011 08:48 AM (6rX0K)

101 Why is it that Palin's special-needs son is off limits, but John McCain's imbecile daughter is fair game here? Sexism!

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 21, 2011 08:50 AM (a5ljo)

102 @ 104 This is the Dixie Chicks stupidity all over again.

Oh, don't even get me started on that ridiculous shit.

Posted by: Fartnoise at April 21, 2011 08:51 AM (bCxgV)

103 After all the bananas shoved up their tailpipes, their muscles get weakened and they can lose control pretty easily. Or so I've heard. Nicely put.. And yes, I've heard about that 'medical condition' as well..

Posted by: Dave C at April 21, 2011 08:53 AM (8nyvw)

104 Why is it that Palin's special-needs son is off limits, but John McCain's imbecile daughter is fair game here? Sexism!
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 21, 2011 12:50 PM

He's a three year old.  Meggy's an adult with the maturity and intelligence of a ... 

When you're right, you're right.

Posted by: huerfano at April 21, 2011 08:56 AM (6zFxS)

105

@4: "But when Congresswoman Jackie Speier used her own abortion as a political prop to defend Planned Parenthood, that was just fine, right?"

If she was aborted, how did she get elected, let alone make a statement defending Planned Parenthood?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 21, 2011 08:57 AM (xy9wk)

106

Picture of Jack-Jack over at Hillbuzz.org.

It looks like he has his (clean, no "orange") (only?) dress shirt on, and a grim look (when you're that pudgy, after all his moobs are showing, it's tough to tell) ...

Either Jacker's preparing for a duel (bet he's got his lucky dice all warmed up, for good saving throws), OR the reality of Papa John's bailing has just set in, and he now reaizes the ugly truth ... he'll be losing 40 pounds real soon ... and involuntarily.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2011 08:59 AM (KGxUH)

107 Oh, just wait and see the sick-assed shit I put on my fucking blog the next time one of da Mocha Messiah's fucking kids have a birthday!!!!!!!!

It's goan be fuckin' EPIC, bitches!!!!!!!!

Posted by: I'm Dolemite, bitch at April 21, 2011 09:00 AM (PET8M)

108 Papa John's does not win for unwittingly getting in the middle of all this when a shockingly low number of their customers probably read Wonkette.

Sounds like pulling their advertising was just a solid business decision

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 21, 2011 09:01 AM (pdRb1)

109

Related Nonsense: Tina Fey's pretty sure that the ill-will she generated from her Sarah Palin impression is all due to sexism.

Of course.  WouldnÂ’t have had anything to do with the willing weaponization of her impression to discredit a candidate, to the point that ridiculous statements made by Fey-as-Palin became attributable in the broader culture to Palin herself – and possibly affecting the outcome of a Presidential election.

At the very same time, we got the Fred Armisten reverent non-impression impression, which didnÂ’t work because “there was nothing funny” about Obama - he was just that perfect.  The brunt of the joke was of course on the fawning media simply noticing how awesome he was.   

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 21, 2011 09:03 AM (IVQSY)

110 I'm not claiming [Tina Fey's] not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success She spent her tour of duty on SNL making fun of the Right to a liberal audience.. And those who weren't liberal were being polite in laughing with the crowd so the tires to their car wouldn't be slashed later.. With 30 Rock, she is in essence a newsreader who passes the broadcast off the Sports, Weather, and whatever Special Reports are going on. Tracy Morgan, Alec Baldwin (Who is funny in the role.), the Blond chick, the actors who play the writers and the dude who plays Kenneth the Page are the ones who bring the funny to that show. And mostly because they are really pretty much playing themselves with a different name. TM plays a guy who is semi-crazy and AB plays a egotistical jerk. Not much of a stretch. Anything really gut busting funny that ever came from Fey on 30 Rock, I chalk it up to coincidence.

Posted by: Dave C at April 21, 2011 09:04 AM (8nyvw)

111 107:

O-ring Disfunction Disorder or "Belladonna's Disease"

Tragic. Simply tragic.

Posted by: sifty at April 21, 2011 09:05 AM (+cmP9)

112 I'm not claiming [Tina Fey's] not funny. I'd never claim that. She is funny. She deserves success.

I had to watch 30 rock once on an airplane.  I wondered what all the fuss was about.  I mean not only was it not funny, it was not even witty or entertaining. 

Posted by: CUS at April 21, 2011 09:05 AM (wOGfT)

113 SNL is still on? Outside of New York City? Well, I'll be.

I thought they just broadcast SNL and Woody Allen shit over the airwaves in New York like flouride in the water.

Posted by: sifty at April 21, 2011 09:07 AM (+cmP9)

114 Ken Layne apparently can't count how many children he has -- in an email to one person, he claims two plus another on the way; in another email, he claims four.

I bet he just claimed 8 on his tax return.

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2011 09:09 AM (WkuV6)

115 Ken Layne apparently can't count how many children he has -- in an email to one person, he claims two plus another on the way; in another email, he claims four.

What do you mean you have FOUR kids?

Posted by: Mrs Ken Layne at April 21, 2011 09:11 AM (wOGfT)

116 119 Ken Layne apparently can't count how many children he has -- in an email to one person, he claims two plus another on the way; in another email, he claims four.

What do you mean you have FOUR kids?

Posted by: Mrs Ken Layne at April 21, 2011 01:11 PM (wOGfT)

What's this MRS. Ken Layne, bitch???? Your name is Doug, you effeminate slut.

Posted by: Ken Layne at April 21, 2011 09:16 AM (PET8M)

117

@38: "This is why I don't understand the left."

Don't try to understand 'em

Just rope, throw, and brand hang 'em.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 21, 2011 09:17 AM (xy9wk)

118

@90: "As with most psychological illnesses, one shows tendencies early in life, then it becomes manifested in full bloom around the time of late adolescence/"transitional adulthood."  This happens to be the time when one is most exposed to the pernicious influences of high school social studies teachers; the vulnerable self-select, go to college, have their psychotic beliefs reinforced, and emerge as pseudo-functional members of society.  In actuality, they've been programmed to serve to undermine the culture--they're predictable and guileless, yet relentless."

As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable.  As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks.

Posted by: Will Graham at April 21, 2011 09:25 AM (xy9wk)

119 I remember the humor that Fey ignored in the Kerry campaign--the kind of stuff that was so funny it wrote itself.  When something particularly funny or bad would happen, I'd tune in to see if SNL hit it.  Nope.  They went out of their way to step around that stuff, making the humor more tenuous and contrived. 

"I don't see that; I see this."

Her partisanship really hurt the show.  There were times she'd do that wink and a nod, "we know who the smart guys are" and "we know who the dumb guys are" type shit, and it was so primal, tribal, and lame.  Primitive posturing, like mbuna in a fish tank.  SNL was never blind in the left eye before her.  Remember Willie Horton at the Dukakis watch party?  Remember the Bush 41 sketches and the Reagan sketches?

Fey was occasionally funny but generally terrible, and I started to wonder if she avoided criticism simply because she was the first female head writer.  And at the same time, it became fashionable to like her.  What an odd thing.  I don't recall any critic ever slamming her.  Or any entertainer for that matter.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 09:26 AM (7a1y5)

120 When Stuef grows up, he wants to be a KGB torturer.

Posted by: Lazarus Long at April 21, 2011 09:26 AM (Pmc9i)

121 How many children does he really have?  Does he really have any?  If he has children does live with them or does someone else have custody of them?  Somehow I think neither answer is correct.

Posted by: airedale at April 21, 2011 09:32 AM (46XIH)

122 124 When Stuef grows up, he wants to be a KGB torturer.

Posted by: Lazarus Long at April 21, 2011 01:26 PM (Pmc9i)

Ummm...we don't admit fucking pikers...

Posted by: Vlad "Da Man" Putin at April 21, 2011 09:32 AM (PET8M)

123 “No one ever said it was ‘mean’ when Chevy Chase played Gerald Ford falling down all the time."

Actually, Chevy's portrayal was criticized heavily at the time and continues to be criticized as unfair and untrue (I understand that Gerald Ford was actually one of the most athletic and coordinated of the Presidents).

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at April 21, 2011 09:32 AM (91XRk)

124 SNL never did a skit with Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton in Tusla dodging sniper fire, and that was low hanging fruit. She was portrayed as Reese Witherspoon in the movie Election, someone ambitious to a fault, ruthless and willing to do whatever it takes to win. Of course, this couldn't be further from the truth. Mark Penn ran a campaign based on inevitability. The AK Hillbillies had plenty of favors to call on from everyone who held office in the party that they built from the ashes of the Carter years. Hillary didn't realize those people would stab her in the back for favors from Obama, a neophyte she was sure would be her VP. No, she was lazy, smug and dumb as a stump. By the time she caught onto what was happening, the mob got ugly with daily calls for her to drop out. That was the reality of SNL writer Tina Fey's feminist hero. Hillary was supposed to win, because her husband had been the president, and damn it, that's how it works in the Third World. While Hillary was spared the humiliation of being mocked for inanities that actually came out of her mouth, Sarah Palin was ridiculed for things that did not happen and that she did not say. Her children were attacked. I remember a Weekend Update when they spread the meme that Palin's kids were fair game, because she "uses them as a prop." The joke was something like she "held that retarded baby up like Simba in The Lion King. Not only was Sarah Palin caricatured in the most sexist ways, but the media chose to run the SNL skits instead of the footage from actual events. The attacks on Hillary from the media were awful, but we have never seen such disgusting attacks on a woman running for office as we have with Palin. Ford actually tripped on camera, and he already was in office. The first vice presidential candidate since Ferrara, the first for the GOP, and they call her a bimbo, a slut, a golddigger, an unfit mother? Tina Fey should hang her head in shame, but she can STFU with the whining about how women hate her for savaging one of her own.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:34 AM (mHQ7T)

125 AR not AK Hillbillies

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:35 AM (mHQ7T)

126 Hey Tattoo....gimme the link to your comment, man. That was fucking awesome!!!

Posted by: Eric at April 21, 2011 09:37 AM (PET8M)

127
Not just kids -- think of Sarah Brady wheeling Jim around on her crusades to enact the Handgun Violence Prevention Act. Political prop-wielding in the truest sense.




Or Carolyn McCarthy digging up her murdered husband's rotting corpse so she can rant about banning guns with a "shoulder thing that goes up".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2011 09:41 AM (7YzRS)

128 With 30 Rock, she is in essence a newsreader who passes the broadcast off the Sports, Weather, and whatever Special Reports are going on. Isn't that all she did on SNL for the most part?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:42 AM (mHQ7T)

129 Tattoo, while that is applicable to SNL, I think Fey was gone in '06.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 09:43 AM (7a1y5)

130 Thanks, Eric, that was freestyle.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:44 AM (mHQ7T)

131 134 Thanks, Eric, that was freestyle.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 01:44 PM (mHQ7T)

Again, much respect, man. I'm floored.

Posted by: Eric at April 21, 2011 09:46 AM (PET8M)

132 Oh, I see.  Fey was a frequent guest during the '08 campaign.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 21, 2011 09:48 AM (7a1y5)

133 Speaking of the first daughters. Do you know I have a hard time recalling their names? You know why? They're NEVER TALKED ABOUT. Chelsea Clinton got talked about, the Bush twins got talked about - but not the Obama kids. Oh, and of course its different for Sarah Palin. It would seem she's not allowed to have her kids in public. But we know the rules are meant to skewer her...

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at April 21, 2011 09:51 AM (5uGq7)

134 Wonkette don't like Papa John's? Sounds like they have major daddy issues. Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at April 21, 2011 12:32 PM (uC8K6) Threadwinner.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:52 AM (mHQ7T)

135 I honestly had no idea that Wonkett was gay. I just thought they were leftist and vile.

Posted by: Texan Economist at April 21, 2011 09:52 AM (VtC0L)

136 I used FTD instead to send flowers to mom today. Posted by: mpfs at April 21, 2011 12:19 PM (iYbLN) I use FTD, because I get flier miles with US Airways. But that's good to know they don't advertise on that ass-banging glory hole known as Wonkette.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 09:59 AM (mHQ7T)

137 I have a special needs son. Am I using him as a prop when I take him places with me? Am I supposed to hide him from the world as if I were ashamed of him? I think what what's-his-name on wonkette's site is saying is that Trig should be hidden from the world and that the Palin's should be ashamed of him. I think he's just phobic of people that are different. How's that for tolerance?

Posted by: Gordo at April 21, 2011 10:00 AM (X0i8R)

138 Yeah, I thought they were gay in the synonym for lame, annoying, generally shitty, pathetic, boring, emo whack sense of the word. Btw, gay activists changed the definition of gay on Urban Dictionary so that it's the opposite of how it is usually used in society. Yes, now stinky, poop-bumping is the new awesome. Elsa Kleg and Janet Reno are sex symbols. Up is down, etc.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 10:05 AM (mHQ7T)

139 Isn't that all she did on SNL for the most part? Well, yeah.. hence the format for 30 Rock.

Posted by: Dave C at April 21, 2011 10:09 AM (8nyvw)

140 Ken Layne apparently can't count how many children he has -- in an email to one person, he claims two plus another on the way; in another email, he claims four. He's referring to the number of small children he's molested in the last 24 hours. It changed between the one email and the next.

Posted by: Ken at April 21, 2011 10:33 AM (ZBbts)

141

On the Mediaite post "wonkette editor comments on reprehensible birthday greeting to trig palin" the jackass Wonkette editor actually said, "Nuance is not exactly a common reading-comprehension skill in this country. So I have told Jack to cool it with that, you just have to make things so clear when writing about *certain subjects*" 

Nuance?  Okay, I missed the nuance.  Nuances.  Nuanciness.  Whatever he was shooting for nuance-wise, I didn't get it. 

I hope that idiot doesn't get paid to write.  He's not competent. 

 

Posted by: Penultimatum at April 21, 2011 11:06 AM (dJ7er)

142 So, how many kids does Layne really have? Anyone know?

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 21, 2011 11:14 AM (dDbkT)

143 Tina Fey was and is a partisan hack. The fact that people laugh at someone does not make them funny.

There are a number of dumb lefties (many have been on SNL) that are actually funny, Fey just garnered laughter because she confirmed a large share of her audiences' prejudices.

"Aren't my political enemies awful" isn't really a "joke."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 21, 2011 12:10 PM (bxiXv)

144 So, how many kids does Layne really have? Anyone know? Do the dead ones in the basement count?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2011 12:40 PM (mHQ7T)

145 Not sure if it's been mentioned but John Schnatter, Papa Johns founder, has a child with a disability.
And what the fuck is a "wonkette?" Every time I hear or read it, I think of the most irritating noise in the world from "Dumb and Dumber."

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