1

Again, is this a big deal? If Boehner can't get one freaking Dem to vote for it, how in the hell is he going to get them to vote for it the Senate? Even if it makes it out of the House, it's going not going to become law.

2 The question is moot.

3

From commenters, I hear that 24 are confirmed "no" which means Boehner can't lose another one.

 

That sounds a lot like math.

4 Yeah first

5 oops

6 If Boehner can't get one freaking Dem to vote for it, how in the hell is he going to get them to vote for it the Senate?

Not the point.  The point is that we have a plan, and the Dems don't.  Something beats nothing every time.  That's where the '12 PR battle will be fought.

7 someone suggested a neat idea: Pass it, and then adjuourn, and just say, "We're done."

8 No matter what Boner sends to the Senate, Dingy Harry will vote no on it, and Jugears would veto it anyway.

This is all designed to create a crisis they can pin on the GOP with the MBM writing the scripts, and Jugears creating a crisis "that won't go to waste"

Huge tax hikes on those earning over 200K and under 2 million is the end game here. Spending hikes AKA "investments in our future" is what Jugears wants, and the only thing he'll settle for.

9 not that expect that to happen. But it does sound big balls.

10 Can we do some outside thinking here?

What is Obama's grand scheme here?  The house will have one plan and th Senate will have another.  What then?

11 Conservative Rep. Jeff Flake is asking for a few serious concessions; I would give them to him. Same with any other conservative improvements wanted by other members.

12

The point is that we have a plan, and the Dems don't.  Something beats nothing every time.

 

Nothin' beats Rock.

13

someone suggested a neat idea: Pass it, and then adjuourn, and just say, "We're done."

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We could have done this already....oy.

Look, I'm not saying I had to have CCB, but why in the hell didn't we use CCB as our starting point and then let the Dems counter? Why did we counter ourselves with this Boehner plan? That's what I don't understand.

Compromise, I get it, but good lord make them come in with an offer before you start bidding against yourself.

14 paper

15 and dynamite

16 Out of every plan offered by all sides, this one has the least deficit reduction, save McConnell's. I'm ambivalent about its passage: hopefully some Senators are working on something better.

17 We already passed something. We should have adjourned the House after that, not after this bill.

18 11 Can we do some outside thinking here?

What is Obama's grand scheme here?  The house will have one plan and th Senate will have another.  What then?

RE your last question, we may get reconciliation.

19 marco

20 polo!

21 Nothin' beats Rock.

I stand corrected.

22 phoenixgirl, darn, I never win that game.

23 I hear Boner doesn't have the votes.

YES!!!

Let the Senate choke on CCB. Fuck Reids fucko bill.

24 >>>Look, I'm not saying I had to have CCB, but why in the hell didn't we use CCB as our starting point and then let the Dems counter? Why did we counter ourselves with this Boehner plan? That's what I don't understand. As I said we should have shut the government down in the budget battle, and then forced the president to sign a bill regarding the order of payments in event of a shutdown or lack of funds. But we didn't.

25 I detest Karl Rove with the heat of 1,000 nuclear warheads

But even a busted clock ...

A Small Business Dies

There will be no more wafer-thin pancakes served at Furin's restaurant.

26

Boehner wants to pass this because Reid has a bill with the same title in the Senate, and the two parties can just work out a compromise in conference.

Getting the Boehner bill as it exists would be the best case scenario for Republicans at that point. The bill will come back worse with the same pressure and whip counting to pass the next iteration.

27 Reid is also still short on his count.

28 The “cuts” in the Boehner plan are only cuts from the CBO baseline, which is an assumed path of constantly rising spending. If Congress wanted to, it could require CBO to increase its “baseline” spending by, say, $5 trillion over the next decade. Then Boehner could claim that he was “cutting” spending by $5.9 trillion, even though his plan hadn’t changed. You can see that discretionary “cuts” against baselines don’t mean anything.

29

RE your last question, we may get reconciliation

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Oh, and I'm sure it will be swell.

I see something like- 1 trillion in cuts 10 years out with an immediate 2 trillion in debt ceiling increase that gets this past 2012. Oh, and the 1 trillion is the ending of the Afghanistan war.

30

Da Bone Man has the votes. He just needs to pick and choose who he lets have some political cover and future favors. The bill passes.

 

31 They should try physics where you can square your seconds.

32 Deem it passed.

33 shit

/retard sock

34 Did Sarah Palin's FB post cause this delay?

35 Funny how controversial bills always seem to come down to "one vote." I think it's a done deal; they're just haggling over who gets to vote against it. It's all just a sham act.

36 cherry π:
What is Obama's grand scheme here?

Yeah, I'm not really seeing it, either.

He's pretty much in complete control.  We can't pass anything unless he agrees to it.  And yet, he's stalling.

I'm not sure if it's incompetence or strategy.

37 Anyone else never been particularly impressed with Harrison Ford's acting?

38

Jesus, people, Dow futures are tanking since the first reports came out that Boehner didn't have the votes.  It's gonna be a fucking disaster tomorrow if this thing goes down tonight.  We're looking at a gargantuan selloff.  And guess who will get the blame for that?  And guess who will then panic as a result? 

I don't know about y'all, but I would really like to keep at least few dollars of what is left in my retirement funds.

39 Obama eats rocks, burns paper, and melts scissors.

40 As long as this crisis doesn't get wasted, then there's a good that chance I will.

But at least until I find an opener I'm gonna be vigilant.

41

Da Bone Man has the votes. He just needs to pick and choose who he lets have some political cover and future favors. The bill passes.

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Yea, I'm thinking he has the votes. He'll get a dem or three.

I mean, if you're a D and you voted for CCB, why exactly would you back away from voting for this. Are you seriously going to take the DeMint stance and say this doesn't cut enough? Is anyone going to buy that bullshit from a D?

42 So what was the CCB?  Chopped liver?  Doesn't chopped liver beat nothing?

Good point, but the difference is that CCB was passed while there were still other options.  I'm not saying Boehner is the perfect negotiator, and you won't get everything you want, but Boehner is a hell of a lot better than anything the Dems have put on the table, and the vector is finally pointing in the right direction.  This is an existential moment for the Dems and they know it.  If they can't promise government goodies to buy votes, they have nothing, since their economic approach is ludicrous.  They can't come out and say that, so instead they will delay as long as they can.

43 10 not that expect that to happen.

But it does sound big balls.

Posted by: ace at July 28, 2011 05:59 PM (nj1bB)

What are these "balls" you speak of?

44 Remember, it is better to attack your own forces in circle jerking formation than to suffer a smaller victory than desired.

45 The difference between the House and the Senate getting votes together is that the unprincipled, all politics all the time Senate Democrats will get to 51 whenever they need to.

46 If it's really "long-standing" conservative members holding this up, I guarantee that what's happening is completely normal horse-trading in Congress to get votes in exchange for something the member wants.   They will give them whatever that X is, the member(s) will change to a "yes" vote, and Boehner will get his bill.    

47 why pass another bill? they've already sent a good one over there. the ball should be in Harry's court, let him stew on it while the clock runs out.

48 I think the House should keep passing "Dead on Arrival Bills in the Senate" with deeper and deeper cuts daily. Send a message. If the Senate won't even consider this POS what do we have to lose?

49 I don't even think the problem at this point is voting for Boehner's plan, but people knowing that voting 'yes' means pressure for the vote when it comes back to the House after conference.

50

Jesus, people, Dow futures are tanking since the first reports came out that Boehner didn't have the votes.  It's gonna be a fucking disaster tomorrow if this thing goes down tonight.  We're looking at a gargantuan selloff.  And guess who will get the blame for that?  And guess who will then panic as a result?

I don't know about y'all, but I would really like to keep at least few dollars of what is left in my retirement funds.

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And I'd like a country to live in for the next 50 years of my life that actually can function.

51

Look, I'm not saying I had to have CCB, but why in the hell didn't we use CCB as our starting point and then let the Dems counter? Why did we counter ourselves with this Boehner plan? That's what I don't understand.

Compromise, I get it, but good lord make them come in with an offer before you start bidding against yourself.

Posted by: Rich at July 28, 2011 06:00 PM (OX4OZ)

You forgot about me, bitches! I aint goin down easy!!

52 He's pretty much in complete control.  We can't pass anything unless he agrees to it.  And yet, he's stalling.

I'm not sure if it's incompetence or strategy.

Never attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity.  Especially in the case of this fool.

53 41

We're looking at a gargantuan selloff. 

What the hell's that mean? I'm not green like my brother, you know. I'm the nice one. Bigot.

54 Maybe Obama just wants to ride in on a White Horse at the 11th hour and save the day?  Figuring this will gain a few points in the polls.

55 31 The “cuts” in the Boehner plan are only cuts from the CBO baseline, which is an assumed path of constantly rising spending. If Congress wanted to, it could require CBO to increase its “baseline” spending by, say, $5 trillion over the next decade. Then Boehner could claim that he was “cutting” spending by $5.9 trillion, even though his plan hadn’t changed. You can see that discretionary “cuts” against baselines don’t mean anything.

Congress always cuts against the baseline. Always. Can Cato find an example since the creation of CBO in which they didn't? I also don't see how cutting spending as compared to last year or even five years somehow doesn't count as a real cut. Why even talk about returning to '06 levels if that means absolutely nothing?

56 Gamara Save Us!!!

57 Boehner's plan is a fucking joke. It cuts nothing, eliminates nothing and plays us off as suckers. How about eliminating one program? You'd think in a $3.4 trillion budget you could eliminate something.

58

Reid is also still short on his count.

RLY?? NOTHING passes both houses. LOL

59


it is better to attack your own forces in circle jerking formation than to suffer a smaller victory than desire

Republicans and conservatives are not co-extensive. 

Remember, some men just want to watch the world burn.  Care to compromise and just let them burn half of it?

60 Hot Air, quoting The Hill, has the Boehner plan short by 25. And, it is unlikely that Reid will be able to get his plan through the Senate (not to mention the House). So, it appears we are on the path to the best solution of all: no deal.

The only deal I've even heard about that sounded, in the balance, attractive was the CCB bill. If we really hit the debt limit and the G has to stop sending out some checks, that is the point that the Dems will start getting serious about a deal where they have to give something up. Like sending a balanced budget amendment to the states.

61 51 I think the House should keep passing "Dead on Arrival Bills in the Senate" with deeper and deeper cuts daily. Send a message. If the Senate won't even consider this POS what do we have to lose?

Posted by: osoloco at July 28, 2011 06:09 PM (D7W2L)

 

I like it. Good plan, just double the cuts every time.

62 Looks like we're getting ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

63 Help me Obi Wan Kanobi!  You're my only hope!

64 59 Gamara Save Us!!!

You did know he's queer, right? Him and Rodan...mid-air boofoo. Oh yeah. Queer.

65 What the Dems don't get is that while there aren't there enough votes to pass JB's plan because of their obstruction, the Republicans in the house sure as Hell aren't going to roll over and vote for some Dem shit sandwich at this point. The whole debt issue is going to deadlock from both sides.

66 Jeebus that old bag is 17 kinds of stupid!

Noted theologian, Nacy Pelosi actually said that "What were trying to do, is save life on this planet as we know it today."

Unbelievable.

I mean, the stupidity, you'd think that it would just burn or at least itch mightily, or something...

67 I'll just say that the NRO vote count was little more up-to-speed than the one over at Hotair.

68 The only deal I've even heard about that sounded, in the balance, attractive was the CCB bill. If we really hit the debt limit and the G has to stop sending out some checks, that is the point that the Dems will start getting serious about a deal where they have to give something up. Like sending a balanced budget amendment to the states.

I would be thrilled if you are right and I am proven wrong.  But it won't happen.

69 Gamera is filled with meat.

70 U.S. stock futures are up across the board, as of about five seconds ago on Fox Business Channel . . .

71 Since Reid already promised to veto the bill Boehner should send over a gigantic tab for Chinese takeout.

72 It appears a possibility that we might get McConnell/Reid forced on the House. Oh, please, no...

73 I mean, the stupidity, you'd think that it would just burn or at least itch mightily, or something..


Please, never again mention Pelosi and itch in the same sentence.  I must go wash now.

74 75 Since Reid already promised to veto the bill Boehner should send over a gigantic tab for Chinese takeout.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 28, 2011 06:13 PM (HBqDo)

Can't.  Would increase the debt.

75 This bill is shovel ready

76

Well hey, we can trust Reid and McConnell, right? 

Bawahahahahahahahaha!

77 Our government is surviving one day at a time, progressoverpeace. But don't stop commenting. You're one of a handful of people making this place worth reading.

78

 U.S. stock futures are up across the board, as of about five seconds ago on Fox Business Channel . . .

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GIGANTIC, ENORMO, MASSIVE EFFIN SELL-OFF

79

Yep. If Boehner loses this vote, I'm sure the plan will be to use Dem votes to pass a Senate compromise rather than to stand firm on CCB or a conservative bill.

80 Chaffetz is one of the hold outs and, gauging from his FB page, his constituents are not demanding that he vote no.  It seems pretty evenly split. 

81

Ya know, I have a long-standing member . . .

82 63 Hot Air, quoting The Hill, has the Boehner plan short by 25. And, it is unlikely that Reid will be able to get his plan through the Senate (not to mention the House). So, it appears we are on the path to the best solution of all: no deal...

He needs 216 and can only have 24 no votes cast. Also, it looks like the Senate might try to force a bad deal on the House.

83 Here is what I really want to know. Does it even matter if this plan passes, now there is talk of the plan C, with tax triggers. Now I understand the long game, I don't like it but I do. If plan C is the plan, I'm looking for a quick out to my running back and I'm gone.

84 41

Jesus, people, Dow futures are tanking since the first reports came out that Boehner didn't have the votes.  It's gonna be a fucking disaster tomorrow if this thing goes down tonight.  We're looking at a gargantuan selloff.  And guess who will get the blame for that?  And guess who will then panic as a result? 

I don't know about y'all, but I would really like to keep at least few dollars of what is left in my retirement funds.

Posted by: rockmom at July 28, 2011 06:07 PM (lSyyU)

RINO.

85

I'll send out an S.O.S.

Message in a bottle...

86 A prince should stab his fellows in the back if he gets not his way for it is better to be prideful than successful.

87 The words
get stuck in my throat
The wooooooords
get stuck in my throat...

doo doooooo....

88 So it appears the dems and OdipO want to work for a "shutdown" ala Clinton.  Fine by me.

89 I'm gonna go down faster than a $5 whore tomorrow.

90 When the Federal Govt shuts down can the red states band together and secede?

91 Has anyone been popping into the poll thread?  It's amusing as hell. 

92

No matter what Boner sends to the Senate, Dingy Harry will vote no on it, and Jugears would veto it anyway.

How about this for everybody: they do that, then we can all agree to stand firm on Cut, Cap and Balance. We can always say "hey, we tried to be reasonable, but the Commiecrats would have none of it. They just want to spend spend spend."

I know the MFM won't report us honestly, but Ace and the rest of the good guys will?

93 FUCK THIS NOISE, man. I'm goin' the airport an' eat a bitch.

94 97 Has anyone been popping into the poll thread?  It's amusing as hell.

I'm not amused.

95 There seems to be a whole lot of angst going around over essentially nothing.  There is an illusory $20 billion in cuts relative to some baseline that couldn't be duplicated with a rocket's trajectory.  Whatever happens in the future is in the future and has nothing to do with anything these guys decide now.

This whole exercise has been for nothing because ultimately the Republicans weren't willing to shut the government down. 

But on the bright side we finally have a quantifiable difference between the parties that can be measured with absolute scientific precision --- and it is --- $20 billion.

96 We're having BBQ hobo balls tonight.  Pretty good, just a little stringy.

97 McConnell/Reid is the only thing that we were going to get from the second that jowly piece of shit McConnell cut the legs out from under us.

Say a husband and wife comes to your yardsale and wants to buy an old TV.

The price tag on the TV says $20.

The Husband tells you he'd really love to buy it but he only brought $15 cash in his wallet.

The Wife immediately looks at the Husband and loudly says, "Honey, I know you have $50 in your wallet and I have another $250 in my purse because I put it in there myself this morning!"


Who are you going to try to deal with?

98

>>Can't.  Would increase the debt.

Posted by: filbert at July 28, 2011 06:14 PM (smvTK)

Yeah, but since we're already sticking the Chinese for several hundred billion that they'll never see, how could a few more eggrolls hurt anybody, and Harry will never be able to get takeout in DC again.

Win/win with wonton on the side.

99 Will any of this affect my newest fucked-up concert outfit?

100 @100

The comments from the later risers read like fan letters from Teen Beat. 

101 The Democrats will vote for Boehner's bill if they need to after all it's basically the same thing as Reid's bill.

Despite all the Left's talk they know that a vote for Boehner is a vote for Reid.

Yep! Isn't it a great day to be a Republican.

102

I honestly want to see this thing passed at this point just so I can see it voted down in the Senate. Then everyone who told the wingerz to get behind the bill because it was the only legit option can then begin to tell us about a brand new and even better legit option that we need to get behind.

103 I will gladly pay back the government Tuesday for tax increases today.

104

The comments from the later risers read like fan letters from Teen Beat.

 

I'm a life-long subscriber!

105 Kabuki theater?  Or Noh?

106 but it starts feeling silly commenting on the same basic situation playing out over and over as if it were Groundhog Day.

babe ...
I got you babe ...

107 The comments from the later risers read like fan letters from Teen Beat.

It's going to be Jonestown 2.0 for some of those folks when she doesn't toss her hat in the ring.

108 I hope it goes down in flames. It's Reid lite...if that's even possible.
Stand pat on what they passed.
Let the Dems put out something on paper that we can point and jeer at.
There is no deadline other than Obama's Fuck that.

109

"Jesus, people, Dow futures are tanking since the first reports came out that Boehner didn't have the votes.  It's gonna be a fucking disaster tomorrow if this thing goes down tonight.  We're looking at a gargantuan selloff.  And guess who will get the blame for that?  And guess who will then panic as a result? 

I don't know about y'all, but I would really like to keep at least few dollars of what is left in my retirement funds."

What the fuck are you talking about.  Futures are up one measly point.  I'm in the business; I watch this shit all the time.  Where the hell are you coming from?

110

It's going to be Jonestown 2.0 for some of those folks when she doesn't toss her hat in the ring.

 

 

Lacey, why do you hate women?  //

111 I don't know what to think about this anymore.Someone tell me what to think!!

112 The comments from the later risers read like fan letters from Teen Beat.

Hey, you try to keep coming up with new stuff when you have to coordinate the mass spamming of conservative sites for the old lady.

113 http://tinyurl.com/3n4l3a5

You're welcome.

114 I, for one, welcome our new financial overlords . . . as long as I can keep my tax-free yacht.

115 It's going to be Jonestown 2.0 for some of those folks when she doesn't toss her hat in the ring

I dunno.  Perhaps not Kool-Aid, but a helluva lot of tinfoil hats.  I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of blame tossed around, none of it directed to the right person.

116 Bestest Fan Evah sock off

117 You know who all of this benefits?

118 I vote to store all Baby Boomers in the Yucca Mountain facility.

119 I would love to see the poll results plotted over time. 

120 95 The GOP, as a viable party, might not survive that.  They're breathing heavy, as things stand.

Then why the hell give them the opportunity now by not voting for Boehner's plan? It's much easier to throw the ball back in their court than to let this die and be forced into a position to hand Obama the keys by way of McConnell/Reid. No, no thanks.

121 Poll Thread?  are you kidding me, I thought we were required to immediately go to the top thread.

There will be a vote tonight it has been announced.

122 125 I vote to store all Baby Boomers in the Yucca Mountain facility.         Then, we nuke the site from orbit.  Only way to be sure.

123 It's going to be Jonestown 2.0 for some of those folks when she doesn't toss her hat in the ring.
Posted by: laceyunderalls




It's going to be the Great Auto-da-fé of Lisbon around here if she does....

124 "Vote on Boehner Bill Postponed"

I'm Shocked!

^{(aren't you?)}

125 I'm not sure if it's incompetence or strategy.

Neither? Obama's natural inclination for bitchy passivity works. He doesn't have to do things. Never has.

This time, he's allowing the Republicans to cave as many times as they want to, and in the manner of their own choosing. They picked "about four times" and "by publicly gang-raping the crackaz who brung us."

Tonight they'll pass Orangina's shitty no-cuts pile of debt-bloating shit, and the Ds will reject it, even though it's pretty much what they want. In a couple days, they'll pass Reid's shitty shit, or something worse if they can come up with it before the 2nd.

Then Obama will bitch about it, and they'll try harder to please him next time.

126

It's going to be the Great Auto-da-fé of Lisbon around here if she does

 

Sarah Palin is a lesbian?  That's hot!

127 "by publicly gang-raping the crackaz who brung us."

I like the way you think.

128

"I vote to store all Baby Boomers in the Yucca Mountain facility."

Here...Here! They are a bunch of spoiled brats!

^{(Except those who fought in Vietnam....You guys Rock!)}  

129

Tonight they'll pass Orangina's shitty no-cuts pile of debt-bloating shit, and the Ds will reject it, even though it's pretty much what they want.

If the Commiecrats do that, then hang it around their necks.

130 126 I would love to see the poll results plotted over time.

Yeah, Rick Perry commanded a majority of the results while the thread was active this morning.  Checked it now and looky-loo, Palin™'s acolytes have been busy.

There's no significant difference between Palinistas and Paultards.

131

^{(Except those who fought in Vietnam....You guys Rock!)} 

 

 

Hey, thank you very much!

132

Yeah, Rick Perry commanded a majority of the results while the thread was active this morning.  Checked it now and looky-loo, Palin™'s acolytes have been busy.

There's no significant difference between Palinistas and Paultards.

Oh puhleeze. Foreign policy?

133 See what we need to do here is shut the government down so we can lose the presidency, the house, and senate in 2012. While at first it may appear that this would be a total catastrophic loss, we can bask in righteous indignation as our nation goes down in flames. Sweet. Count me in. Winning is for pussies.

134 This whole debt ceiling charade has given a riveted nation a Proctologist's view of Capital Hill.

135 _{There's no significant difference between Palinistas and Paultards.}


SRSLY?

wow

136

There's no significant difference between Palinistas and Paultards

 

 

Not true!  Our tinfoil hats are biodegradable!

137 Summer. a cool rag
to damp the heat in D.C.
I weep for more time

138

Winning is for pussies.

 

Hey!  I'm right here!!!

139 There's no significant difference between Palinistas and Paultards.

Marijuana intake, for one.

140

See what we need to do here is shut the government down so we can lose the presidency, the house, and senate in 2012. While at first it may appear that this would be a total catastrophic loss, we can bask in righteous indignation as our nation goes down in flames. Sweet. Count me in. Winning is for pussies.

Since when is caving in--yet again--"winning"?

141

#70  And while she's saving life on the planet; the oceans will rise. 

Are we sure she's not Zero's 'real' mommy?

142 Tigger Blood!

143 A B Stoddard is explaining whipping.
I always had that feeling that she wasn't getting by on her looks alone.

144 >>Then why the hell give them the opportunity now by not voting for Boehner's plan? It's much easier to throw the ball back in their court than to let this die and be forced into a position to hand Obama the keys by way of McConnell/Reid. No, no thanks.

McConnell/Reid has to pass the house or am I missing something? As far as Boehner's plan, it's a joke.

145 134 The Senate can't force a revenue raising bill on the House.  It just isn't possible.  It would take some particularly inept legislators in the House to even allow that situation to be spoken about as serious.  The Senate can't vote on anything until the House sends it to them.

Yes, but there's a simple way to fix that. Reid negotiates with and pressures Boehner into taking part of what they have because Boehner wants a deal. The panic created by the tensing markets could potentially cause some menbers to pass a bill out of the House (send to the Senate) that they would have otherwise rejected. Remember the circus that was TARP?

146 "At this point, the likeliest outcome (not preferred, of course) -- in my humble estimation -- is the passage of some iteration of Reid's plan, after GOP input.  How much of that input Democrats may feel compelled to incorporate could ride on tonight's vote, which is a major leverage point.  If Republicans sandbag their own leadership's plan, Reid will have little incentive to give much ground.  Hell, he might even demand some concessions.  Democrats would have already won the messaging war, and Republican leadership would be compelled to go along with a demonstrably worse plan in order to prevent default -- a clearly stated GOP goal from day one.  Ugh."

~Guy Benson

147 Yeah, Rick Perry commanded a majority of the results while the thread was active this morning.  Checked it now and looky-loo, Palin™'s acolytes have been busy.

I guess the Palin folks just got off work.

148 The Kraut defines "Establishment Politician" That guy never really takes a position, has no real opinion, just disagrees with both sides, and apparently poeple find that principled? He and O'Reilly are one and the same!

149 Since when is caving in--yet again--"winning"? Damn right if we can't get everything we want right now, at this very moment, let's burn the place down. That is certainly a winning Strategy. We elected a conservative house. Screw getting the Senate and the Presidency. That might take courting independents. The Shame!

150 157 Yes.  And that's why I say that such a move could easily be the last serious, official act of the GOP as a political force.

That's why I say just pass Boehner's plan tonight. Better to do that than kick the situation entirely to the Dems and legislate in pure crisis mode. No more last-minute fixes.

151 @159 
Oh, c'mon.  The thread launched at 7:28 AM (Eastern).  It was showing a consistent sampling of supporters until some time after the Instalanche.

152 Attacked by a Sock!

153 Obama eats smokes rocks, burns paper doobies, and melts runs with scissors.

Posted by: WalrusRex

FIFY

154 @134 " The Senate can't vote on anything until the House sends it to them."

While almost true - this is actually complete BS in the way things are actually done.

The Senate regularly does crap like amending "House Bill on Unicorns and Fairies" to read "Amnesty Bill, take 427" and sends it back to the House.

There are -always- extra bills lying around for the Senate to pick up and completely gut and turn into something completely different. So "The Bill originated in the House!!!" but ... the Senate essentially completely rewrites it and sends it back.

It's one of 'the powers of the House' that the Senate regularly games. And the House can't restrain themselves from passing extraneous bills.

So in our case, there's at least three bills I can think of that the Senate "has" that they could amend and send back to the House. "Hey, everything in this here 'Ryan plan bill' is crap. Let's add an amendment: a) strike every word, b) change title to 'Fuck the House Bill', c) add whatever Reid wants."

The bill "originated in the House". And yet the Senate could use it to articulate whatever fairies and unicorns plan they think will fly in smurfland.

155 from HA:

Jim GeraghtyÂ’s comment on PalinÂ’s FB post is epic:

“If she were any clearer, they would have woken up with horse’s heads in their beds this morning.”

156 Gallup must do all of its sampling when people are at work, too.

157 Krauthammer left psychiatry, the most inexact science in all of medicine, while at the same time enabling all sorts of troubling behaviors, to be a political pundit. A neat fit.

He's in the right line of work to be taken seriously by unserious people.

158 PoP, you're never happy even when they give you exactly what you want.

159 So they adjourned the house without a vote, supposedly to let Boner get more votes.   I guess it is too much to hope that they decided to send a note to the presentdent  telling him, "we came up with multiple plans, where is yours?"

160 I haven't gotten anything close to what I wanted, but your heart's in the right place

So is yours, so it's cool.

161 Put the Plan to a Vote. Defeat it. And get a new Speaker.
Winning.

162 Give me the gavel!

163 My principles are clear: What we need to save American in this crisis is a new freeway off-ramp in my district, and a hefty five-figure donation to my 2012 campaign fund!

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