1 Privilege? Immunity.

2 Never been a fucking courtesy for me, then again I'm not chummy with NYPD union bosses.

3

the Bronx case suggests that a culture of corruption and entitlement has spread through the ranks of the thin blue line.

This is news?

I suppose, I too, in my naivete thought that the police weren't corrupt as hell. I've discovered that they will happily lie to make the state more money. I suppose they are rewarded for this some how.

4 Well, duh.

5

I suppose, I too, in my naivete thought that the police weren't corrupt as hell. I've discovered that they will happily lie to make the state more money. I suppose they are rewarded for this some how.

Posted by: dagny at November 07, 2011 07:33 AM

OTOH, I've always though there was a certain level of corruption in the NYPD. My initial take is that the Guy With Three Names was looking for something to fill a blog post and said to himself: "self, let's talk about the horrid corrupt cops in NYC!"

In short, I call drivel on this.

Historically, police forces have been fertile grounds for corrupt practices, just like any other governmental authority. When a group is given more privileges than the citizenry at large, exploitation follows. It's not confined to NYC, either.

So that big gelatinous pile of verbiage may have impressed the hell out of Gabe, but to me it was a time-waster in search of an editor, full of obvious points rendered in multi-syllabic grandiosity. I can just hear the guy hitting the "send" key and saying: "oh, what a good boy am I."

6 The scariest part is that we are losing our faith in our system of government (as it has deviated from a Constitutionally based Republic), and we are right to think the worst.

7 It's nice that someone is writing these thoughts down.  They are thoughts and ideas we have been sharing here for ages.

8 Posted by: MrScribbler at November 07, 2011 07:43 AM (HkOAc)
Re special privileges, I think it despicable that the murder of a police officer in the line of duty is considered more heinous than the murder of any citizen going about his daily routine.

Then again, I don't believe in hate crimes as an add-on for actions that are already criminal.

9 8 hrothgar wow

10

"hate crimes" are thought crimes.  A dead lover is just as dead as a dead stranger.

Just remember, a dead white Christian heterosexual man is less valuable in the eyes of the law than any other kind of person.

11 the whole article is fantastic, and depressing

12 The cops are a publicly funded gang.

Remember all those folks who think only the police should have guns?  These thugs would have a monopoly of force under that scenario.

13 Hate crimes are but one of many steps the progs have taken to prepare us for class warfare!

14 So we have a non-governmental body issuing directives to cops. 

Yeah, no problem there.

15 "It's a courtesy, not a crime." Werd

16 “It’s a courtesy, not a crime,” was the slogan.

And some animals are more equal than others.

17 Generally speaking, cops don't have to get traffic tickets like speeding fixed for other cops because those tickets are never issued. Fixed tickets are more likely due to a relative/friend of a cop getting one. Fixing tickets used to be a lot more common than it is today.
 
I think it breeds a certain disdain or contempt for the very laws they are supposed to enforce. Or as Orwell says, some animals are more equal than others.
 
I like the site Injustice Everywhere as he tracks police misconduct nationwide and does statistical YoY reviews of various categories.

18

Just remember, a dead white Christian heterosexual man is less valuable in the eyes of the law than any other kind of person.

Posted by: Truman North at November 07, 2011 07:57 AM (I2LwF)

At least we know he wasn't killed because of hate, because its impossible for minorities to hate us lovable white guys...

19
Where's Giuliani's heir to clean up NYC corruption, to replace crony corruption Occupy Bloomberg?

..."most European, most enlightened" ... a fallacious, stale gimmick. Most European police includes the SS, Stasi, Ceka, Police d'Etat or Etatisée, Sûreté Nationale, Assault Guards and Carabinieri, KGB, Interpol ...  Europeans never embraced the most enlightened form of government as their own, given their Old World long standing permeation of authoritarianism where "most enlightened" translates as serve your European lords, those who know what's best for you, better than you. Americans who long for European authoritarianism have no right to impose such national corruption of our Constitutional Republic to usurp balance of powers into a monopoly of powers to abuse.

The value system that actually touts Europe to be a desirable model for America illustrates grand scale vanity.

20 I actually don't have as much of a problem with ticket fixing as I do with planting evidence, lying, lying in court, intimidating, picking on people who can obviously pay, lying some more, having a chip on their shoulder, lying, lying some more, then lying again. Lying liars.

21 How the hell can a cop even fix a ticket?  They are sequentally numbered, and the recipient/cause recorded.  Any kind of scratch-off would raise eyebrows.  Once they even start writing the ticket, they are pretty much committed.  I don't get it.

22 Hey, anybody can receive "courtesy", for a price.

23

Imagine it this became a nation wide movement:

Every time you see a cop you tell him that your taxes pay his salary.

24

The value system that actually touts Europe to be a desirable model for America illustrates grand scale vanity.

It demonstrates a grand scale of stupidity. It takes an incredibly naive or incredibly stupid wonk to desire things "european". Why would you want a lesser system? How did some americans become convinced that europe was desirable? Hell, most of this country is composed of people who FLED europe. Please tell me one thing that Europe has/is/produces that we cannot or do not supercede. I can only think of "body odor" and we may have over come that deficiency at OWS.

25 it  = if

26 I love all the fatties in the picture accompanying the article.

27 The union is the organizer = enabler, and the benefactor = cheerleader, and again these are public employees that are being emboldened, vastly overrated and in the final analysis criminalized.

Surprise (or shock, SHOCK!) by the leftist media is as usual the most disingenuous, inappropriate and counter-intuitively staged response.       

28 How the hell can a cop even fix a ticket?
 
By either not turning it in or by not being in court when the ticket number is called.

29

Americans who long for European authoritarianism have no right to impose such national corruption of our Constitutional Republic to usurp balance of powers into a monopoly of powers to abuse.

Nor, in my opinion, do they even have the write to consider themselves "Americans."  They really are what Washington would have called "Tories;" pathetic Euroworshippers that deeply disdain their own countrymen as "beneath them."

Today's varient even worships Asian despotism: just witness the love notes Thomas Friedman routinely writes the killer regime in Beijing, that routinely executes human beings like dogs (typically, a gunshot to the back of the head after being forced to kneel) and immediately thereafter has a "doctor" remove their marketable organs for sale on the black market.  That idiot - who would have written essays about how Mussolini made the trains run on time back in the 30's - calls these inhuman monsters "enlightened."

If that is an example of what Liberals like to call "enlightened," then by all means, pack them up and ship them off to Beijing (along with the OWS types, while you're at it).  Hope none of us get stuck with Friedman's kidney, though...

 

30 21, simplest way is for management to ensure the officer who wrote the ticket is busy on the court date.

31 My brother in law ate "european". (He held his silverware in the european way to either look more sophisticated or to insult America or both.) My mother in law did the same thing but finally realized what slimey little weasels the euros were and quit. I can't even wrap my mind around wanted to "look european". I can only assume this is a libtard hate america thing to do. If some euro wants to think I'm boorish because I hold my fork in my right hand they can come and tell me. Then we can see who wins that fight.

32 Re special privileges, I think it despicable that the murder of a police officer in the line of duty is considered more heinous than the murder of any citizen going about his daily routine.

Then again, I don't believe in hate crimes as an add-on for actions that are already criminal.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 07, 2011 07:48 AM (i3+c5)

I can understand why killing a cop carries such a heavy potential sentence, since the purpose is to make criminals think twice before adding an even heavier burden to whatever charges they may be facing at the time they're arrested.  Otherwise what's to stop a psychotic, or a plain thug, from just killing every cop that comes to find them?  So I understand the theory behind the practice, even if I don't fully endorse it. 

But, that said, I personally believe that there should be no pre-defined "ceiling" for a maximum sentence on any crime.  Every felony should have every possible sentence, up to and including the death penalty, on the table as an option.  I don't care about your history or what "made you do it."  Rapist?  Pedophile?  Serial abuser?  Repeat drunk driving offender who killed three people after swerving onto the sidewalk?  Death penalty. 

33 28 "How the hell can a cop even fix a ticket?"
 
By either not turning it in or by not being in court when the ticket number is called.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2011 08:38 AM (ENKCw)

Not turning it in would produce the problem of the unaccounted for ticket... remember, they are numbered, the same way personal checks are.  Someone would notice and ask what happened to it.

If a cop didn't show up for court, I'm not sure that would necessarily invalidate the ticket.  And even if it did: wouldn't he get in trouble for now showing up?  What about all his other tickets that went before the judge that day?

Whatever they did to "fix" the ticket, it must have been more involved than that.

 

34 Freidman and Holdren, the wonder twins of stupid

35 now s/b not in my previous post, darn it.

36

ALL PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. They create a corrupt petry dish. Even FDR, the left's lefty mircale man, knew it.

 

37 I'm pro-authority and pro-rules, but take a rather neutral position on whether "Cops" are corrupt. Look in any slice of the population, your gonna find "corrupt" individuals and a corruption of the culture in one way or another. From my experience some of the Police I know think they are due privileges just because they are cops..like parking anywhere they want and not giving tickets to their friends and Family. And others don't. It's rather annoying to have to deal with the ones who think they are privileged but it's not the end of the world

38

@31: I eat "European" because I was raised that way.

 

I hate to side with the Europeans on anything, mind you, but in this case I do agree with them.  To anyone used to using their utensils European style, the American method of taking a beautiful steak and first chopping it up into a beef goulash, and then putting down their knife and holding their knife in their right hand, looks pretty crude.  Almost as though the person wasn't coordinated enough to use their fork with their left hand.  Sort of the thing a peasant would do... which is how, I suspect, the practice started in America to begin with.

39

I despise corruption at all levels.  That said, I have less of a problem with the corruption -- the low level corruption at least, such as ticket fixing -- than I do with the brainless union sycophants who are happy to stand out there in their police blues and actively endorse criminal behavior.  The union SHOULD be brought up on racketering charges, among many other things.  And like I mentioned in my last comment, every single penalty should be on the table when handing down a sentence, up to and including the death penalty.  How many people have been negatively affected, even killed, as a result -- however tangential -- of police corruption?  The total is greater than the sum of its parts.  It's an endemic, systemic cancer.

40 Cop killing needs the kicker, however, it should never be an issue in court.

41 CoolC, eat with your belt knife, they might be appalled at your manners - but they wont say anything.

42

And their brethren in corruption, the LIRR union, scammed millions in collecting "medical injury: benefits.  Because, let's face it, $85K/yr is just not enough for walking up and down an aisle.

 

43 I visited with the 30 members of Occupy Dallas yesterday. The smartest guy there was upset that the corporations were keeping the miracle that is hemp illegal.

44

I hate to side with the Europeans on anything, mind you, but in this case I do agree with them.  To anyone used to using their utensils European style, the American method of taking a beautiful steak and first chopping it up into a beef goulash, and then putting down their knife and holding their knife in their right hand, looks pretty crude.  Almost as though the person wasn't coordinated enough to use their fork with their left hand.  Sort of the thing a peasant would do... which is how, I suspect, the practice started in America to begin with.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 07, 2011 08:48 AM (Iaxlk)

I eat "european" style, though I've never really considered it like that.  It wasn't a conscious choice, and no one else in my family eats that way.  They're all a little puzzled where I picked it up.   I am, too, for that matter.  I have no idea why I eat like that.  I think it's because I can't see the point in wasting energy by constantly having to pick up and put down the knife when it's just easier to hold the knife and fork throughout.  I didn't even know there was anything odd about it until my mother pointed it out to me.

Then again I'm borderline OCD about keeping my plate neat, so that might have something to do with it, too.  Hacking up a big ole chunk of meat is detrimental to a tidy plate.

Yeah, I'm weird.

45 Yes, Virginia, some "conservatives" still believe that it's only a few "bad apples" and that 99.999999347105% of cops are honest.

46

It's amazing how in just 3 short years Obama has ruined our once great nation. He has promied to bring us together and has done nothing but divide and vilify. He is an evil dangerous man.

 

47 I think the "wanting to be European" is a "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" kinda thing.

As far as corrupt or abusive police go a friend of my daughter was beat up badly by a sheriff  a couple of weeks ago. He was on an ATV and according to witnesses the sheriff used his vehicle to stop him.  WTH! The sheriff told the hospital he was in an accident then charged him with resisting arrest. So conflicting stories from the start. I think the sheriff thought he could get away with saying it was an accident then realized the injuries and witnesses would say otherwise so he charged him.

He has a Broken eye socket and jaw. Had surgery for the jaw last week. Originally not able to see out of one eye but says he can see light through the lid now. Bruised all over.

He was unconscious for 2hrs and they would not take him to the hospital till bail of a $100,000 was posted.

And of course this sheriff is already under investigation for brutality. Court date this week so we shall see.

48

the American method of taking a beautiful steak and first chopping it up into a beef goulash,

Properly, you would only cut one bite at a time. More than one is improper. You should only butter one bite of bread at a time as well.

49 Sort of the thing a peasant would do... which is how, I suspect, the practice started in America to begin with.

According to legend, the practice started during the Revolutionary War.  Many reasons are attributed - what I always heard was that it was keeping your knife out of your hand during heated arguments about Independence over dinner.

50 While the post is about the police in particular the article itself seemingly is about the growing discrepancies between classes of people (specifically the party of blue)and the fight for the resources /that the model encouraged by wall street and those in power isn't able to work in this financial climate. or am i reading this from a cynical edge this morning? i am awfully testy lately.

51

Properly, you would only cut one bite at a time. More than one is improper. You should only butter one bite of bread at a time as well.

Posted by: dagny at November 07, 2011 09:05 AM (Ol+5L)

So if I butter the whole thing, I get to jam the whole thing in at once? and still be 'proper'?  AWESOME

52 holding your fork and knife in a proper manner is so retro. Why bother just use a spoon to scoop everything, If it won't work on a larger piece of meat use your hands! jeeze morons why make it so difficult.
napkins also a waste of resources , use your shirt sleev for goodness sake.

53 napkins also a waste of resources , use your shirt sleeve for goodness sake.

Posted by: willow at November 07, 2011 09:22 AM (h+qn

I am sorry that was so unthinking of me, Use the bottom of your shirt that can be tucked and hidden away in your skirt or pants for aestetics sake.

54 or better use Red Shirt's, shirt.

55

The "wanting to be European" thing is not new. ....It dates back to when the Euro countries were creating as many colonies as they could around the globe.

It was just 'understood' that Europe was the wellspring of all that was enlightened, educated and cultured. ....So the low-class plebian colonists were conditioned to value all things European above anything else in life.

 

Back to topic:  Union Privilege.

Unions are anti-consumer. ....The product does not improve with unionization. If anything, it decreases in value....while the cost of it increases.

This is why there should be no government unions. Government unions are sheltered from the competition of the free market....because they have a monopoly on the funding source for their employment.

56 I'm with Scribbler. This is not a new phenomenon. I could make the case it has been worse in the past. As with any authoritative agency it's on ongoing battle to keep the corruption under control. And to add just a bit of balance to the criticism of law enforcement, 152 officers have been killed in the line of duty this year

57

Courtsey cards are a license to speed.   very dangerous.  I know a lot of folks related to police officers who have courtesy cards.  One women said that she was pulled over for going 50mph in a 30mph road.  Her husband is a cop, so she was not ticketed, but received a lecture, because she was driving that fast with her baby in the back seat!  She said that she often feels comfortable speeding, because she has the courtesy card..  Very dangerous.  I'm surprised this hasn't been brought to light sooner.

58 Ummmm, I think cops are Teh Awesome!!! Just saying H8rs

59 People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty or justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. Book I, Chapter X, Part II, pg.152Wiki - Stuff Adam Smith said.

My IronyMeter is still broke and a little blue on blue is not my problem.

60 "Hey, anybody can receive "courtesy", for a price."

Yep.  And that's when it becomes a crime that needs to be dealt with.

"How do you 'fix' a ticket?"

Easy.  The person pleads not guilty, and shows up (or has a lawyer show up) for the trial date.  The cop doesn't show up, and the ticket is dismissed.

61 CoolCzech:

Yes, it actually is that simple.  It's rare that a cop will have more than one ticket to deal with at any given hearing, and it's not like his boss is going to bitch, when next time it might be one of his family members who's catching a break.

62 The person pleads not guilty, and shows up (or has a lawyer show up) for the trial date.

Actually from what I have seen all you have to do is show up anyway and the ticket will be reduced.

63 All public unions need to be banned and we will probably need a Constitutional Amendment to do it.

64 If a cop didn't show up for court, I'm not sure that would necessarily invalidate the ticket. 

No witness.

And even if it did: wouldn't he get in trouble for now showing up? 

Would depend on the jurisdiction.

What about all his other tickets that went before the judge that day?

All thrown out. 

It is not that unusual, at least in the state of Texas, for contested traffic tickets be thrown out. The exceptions tend to be for the most egregious moving violations and for those jurisdictions where traffic fines make up a relied-upon portion of the annual budget.

Who pays tickets? Those who have a job from which they cannot make time to appear in court on multiple days - suckers.  And non-local recipients who find it inconvenient to return for multiple court appearances.

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