1 I've never read a Cohen screed that made any sense to a real human living in the real world.

If he were a member of a "protected class" I could understand the WaPoo running his crap...after all, they print Eugene Robinson's babblings, too. But Cohen is just your basic white lefty, stumbling out of a flower-painted VW Bus after a ganja-induced hibernation.

What a great racket: being paid to put any old shit that rattles around in your hear on paper!

2 Right, PERRY is "not electable." And a radical Socialist presiding over the Second Geat Depression that he strove mightily to create is?

3 And the phrase is "it's not JUST another beach," not "it's JUST not another beach." Whatta maroon. What an ULTRA-maroon!

4 I can haz first? Perry obviously scares the **** out of Barack Obama, the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Massive Failure.

5 Joe Scarborough is so freaking annoying with his patently bigoted derision of Perry and anyone with an accent... yet that sort of bigotry is "moderate" and "intellectual" in his worldview. His entire crew frets Perry is "extremist" based on... the fact they can sense he can win, and Win Big.

6 Perry wasn't electable when he was in the legislature.

Apparently he wasn't electable as Ag Secretary.

Nor was he electable as Lt. Governor.

And he really wasn't electable as Governor, either!

Now if only someone would just sit down and tell the man so he could take the friggin' hint!

7 Morons are slipping: no one has yet mentioned that Osama Obama is a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure yet.

8 Yup on that ganja induced hibernation.   But Poor Little Richie (he was in the Hamptons so he could suck up to people with big buckks--he didn't get there on a WaPo columnist's salary) doesn't have to stumble out a flower power bus to write a column.  My favorite recent Cohen screed was about a dream he had about Obama while riding his bicycle.  Cohen's bicycle that is--not Obama's.  I'm not accusing Cohen of being a bicycle seat sniffer.

9 I say Mumsie, that Barack fellow seems to have cracked our nest egg.  We shall have to have the servants scrape his bumper sticker off of the Land Rover.

10 6 Perry wasn't electable when he was in the legislature. Apparently he wasn't electable as Ag Secretary. Nor was he electable as Lt. Governor. And he really wasn't electable as Governor, either! Now if only someone would just sit down and tell the man so he could take the friggin' hint! Posted by: Robert at September 07, 2011 07:44 AM (4ixH5) Unfortunately for his Presidential aspirations... he truly wasn't electable in the Republican primaries. And much of that was self-inflicted: what the hell was "Oromneycare," followed-up with a fear of looking Romney in the eye the following night and telling him his socialized medicine schemesucked, all about? HE torpedoed any hope he had of coming across as a strong, decisive leader when he did that. Seen in that light, the primary process is really pretty good at getting down to strong candidates. Say what you will about Obama as President, for example... he was a strong enough candidate to WIN. (of course... Senator Maverick can be cited as proof of just the opposite)

11 Crap... sorry about the bold... I just wanted to highlight one word...

12 So, basically, he's not going to raise the proposed $1 Billion re-elect campaign?  Nor is he even going to match his ridiculous 2008 total?

13

Poor Washington compost, they have no idea how much of a joke of a newspaper they've become, no wonder they keep having to close their distribution centers.

Have they polled independents? former dems? 

At this rate, I'd vote for Rick Santorum if he was the repub nominee, and I cannot stand Santorum, I'm not pro-life, not a social conservative, and yet if its santorum v Barry, I'll hold my nose tight for santorum.  But its not santorum that'll be the nominee, it will be Perry, and I like Perry, I like his bluntness, his 10th amendent views, and in my humble opinion, its going to take a cowboy to beat a chicago thug in 2012. And Perry isn't going to go hide when he's called a racist, like Romney will.

Perry is absolutely electable.

14 Perry is absolutely electable. Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 07, 2011 07:55 AM (ACkhT) Do you think the MSM would spend one second fretting over him if they didn't know it in their hearts? They can spot a threat the moment they see it.

15 The dems have taken over many institutions - mostly in the infotainment business where lying is essential - Huntsman is their most high-profile effort at taking over the GOP.

16 The MSM is so damned predictable.  Whoever they say the loudest CANNOT WIN is the candidate SURE TO KICK THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES.  Why the hell would they actually advise us to nominate the candidate who could beat them?

The next 14 months is gonna be a riot to watch.

17 13 So, basically, he's not going to raise the proposed $1 Billion re-elect campaign? Nor is he even going to match his ridiculous 2008 total? Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 07, 2011 07:53 AM (7md2G) Speaking of Media Hypocrisy, where is all the fretting over "the Role of Money" in elections, and outrage that a Presidential candidate would reject federal funding & associated limitations, over Obama's stash of private billionaire funding??

18 The Left isn't afraid of simply losing an election, they are afraid, assuming the Republicans pick a strong young VP as well, that they will lose power for 16 years!  God they must be writhing at the idea.

19 "In general, Obama was faulted for lacking political skills." Yes, and in general the last 3 years have proven that to be exactly right. The MSM could get the guy elected by refusing to vet him and actively promoting the Messiah Cargo Cult that grew up around him. Alas, they could not help him GOVERN, something that requires far more political skills than merely winning an election.

20 21 The Left isn't afraid of simply losing an election, they are afraid, assuming the Republicans pick a strong young VP as well, that they will lose power for 16 years! God they must be writhing at the idea. Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 07, 2011 08:02 AM (uVlA4) They should be even MORE afraid of Roasting in Hell For All Eternity, the rotten little Marxist reprobates.

21

I think this is much, much bigger than Perry.  He may be the target this time around, but this is evidence of a systemic problem. 

Nearly every member of the media believe REPUBLICANS are not electable.  "Of COURSE I voted for Kennedy."  "I don't know anyone who voted for Nixon."  "Chicago is... out?"

With the caveat that this only applies when there are more than 96 hours before an election, there will never be an instance wherein a member of the media acknowledges that a Republican on a national ticket can win.  They honestly don't understand how people can believe what Republicans believe.  We conservatives are even more of a mystery.

Perry is currently the biggest threat to Obama's re-election, so he will, as a matter of course, draw the heaviest fire.  If you're not drawing fire, you're not over the target.  It's not just him though - this is a long-held belief, and a disgusting pattern of behavior. 

22 So, Cohen's only valid conclusion would be that Rick Perry can't be elected President of the Hamptons.  These insular fucks have no clue.  But then, that's a good thing, and it is entertaining. 

23 Richard Cohen in the Hamptons ha? Now there's a pic for ya. And the "elites" are down on obama ha and talking about it. Hey Richard or should I say dick, no Israel bashing this past weekend?

24 16 CoolCzech,

indeed....

remember the newsies are the ones who patiently explained to us since '04 that ONLY McCain could attract crossover dems in '08....how'd that work out for us again?

I trust the newsies to have the GOP's best interests at heart like I trust a porn queen for good marital advice.

25 So, Cohen's only valid conclusion would be that Rick Perry can't be elected President of the Hamptons. These insular fucks have no clue. But then, that's a good thing, and it is entertaining. Posted by: Alamo at September 07, 2011 08:05 AM (Cv3GE) When I'm in Uniform, people usually come up to me to talk and are very nice. I bet that would not happen in the Hamptons. And that pretty much says it all. And how do I know that? I was in Uniform once on the Campus of Columbia University. I never felt so much hate

26 I'm forever amused that the filthy rich of places like Martha Vineyard or the Hamptons or Greenwich, CT are always solid Ultra Left supporters. I think there's two things going on: 1. Intellectually elitism: since the American mainstream solidly rejects socialism for what it is, they feel more "intellectual" than the "unwashed masses" by claiming to be "smart enough" to "understand" that only ignorant people fear socialism (something the "smart" and "educated" people know is "just a word.") 2. They are so rich, What, really does high unemployment or high taxes or high inflation mean to them, anyway? Nothing. Their huge seaside palaces - and trust me, they ARE magnificent and completely out of the realm of ordinary life - and incredibly expensive cars and exotic vacations, on and on, will continue no matter what. They don't feel the pain of a single mom struggling to get by when she sees the price of hamburger skyrocketing.

27 22 CoolCzech,

the newsies can't help him govern they can only ignore his lack of genuine political skill.....the modern media can't report what it doesn't see and frankly they start from a position of distrust with only one party....thus they ignore superior management by the Cheney types and fawn over Jugears descending from Mt. Idiot to lecture we plebes about what needs done....

28 Morons are slipping: no one has yet mentioned that Osama Obama is a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure yet.

Did you see Insty's post this morning where he called Obama a miserable failure? Heh, as the professor might say.

29 Posted by: CoolCzech at September 07, 2011 08:11 AM (niZvt) Well said

30 Shouldn't Cohen be condemning the Hamptons as a hotbed of racism? Because that's the obvious conclusion.

31 It's simply aPALLing what's happening to all the best spots.  I mean, first the Vineyard, and now the Hamptons.  One can't tolerate such close elbows with the proles. 

32

Oh please, Cohen. All you sophisticated libtards are going to pull the lever for Obama again.

Blind faith/bad faith - it's what you democrats do.

33 just woke up to some one on the wall street journal radio show telling the audience that the young should lower their expectations and the old need to stop hoarding their wealth.....needed to take more risks with it.......i didn't catch the guys name....but HOARDING THEIR WEALTH?........i think it was david weiner? weiger? holy shit i'm pissed off for the day........

34 ...remember the newsies are the ones who patiently explained to us since '04 that ONLY McCain could attract crossover dems in '08....how'd that work out for us again? Exactly, Sven. One moment he was their favorite Republican. The next, they were actually doctoring magazine cover photos to make him look like a sinister vampire. That cover ALONE should forever shut up anyone snickering at the idea that the Media is biased.

35

"A fine example of Democratic intellectual firepower this is not."

That is where you are wrong....this is, indeed a perfect example of "Democratic intellectual firepower".....in that it holds at least two antagonistic end points as being simultaneously being both true and rational.

36 Quite honestly, places like the Hamptons probably are the strongest case that can be made for an estate tax on the mega-rich. People that have been THAT rich for SO long, generationally rich, are the ones that become the most avid socialists. And then they turn around and use their money not to innovate, etc., but to fund Obama's campaigns. That's always been the rub with the rich, at least the ones that inherit the money. On the one hand, they are an unavoidable product of capitalism, on the other, they are the very seeds of its destruction.

37

The snooty elite uber-wealthy Hamptons could break off and fall into the sea and no one would care. Certainly no one in the real world gives two shits about what rich white guilty libtards think.

 

38 but then he writes that these same unhappy folks would consider voting for Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman John McCain. Yeah, we've been there. John McCain was the nice, non-crazy Republican. That lasted until, oh, August 2008, then he became another crazy conservative until around November 8, 2008.

39 The snooty elite uber-wealthy Hamptons could break off and fall into the sea and no one would care. Certainly no one in the real world gives two shits about what rich white guilty libtards think. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 07, 2011 08:20 AM (0fzsA) Be patient, I'm working on it

40 Hey, they forgot "terrorist". Eat shit, Joe Biden.

41 "The only people defending Obama these days is the Secret Service." Cute line... I'm totally stealing it. But my favorite stolen lines forever remains the one about "tiny little Japanese twin sisters will climb out of a picnic basket and sing a song to my dick." THAT is seriously weapons-grade funny!

42 Just because R. Cohen is R. Cohen doesn't mean he can't be right once in a while.  And even though there is no question of his being an improvement, Elmer Gantry Perry is not electable.

43

Yes, the LSM's "maverick" Mccain was a tactic used by the LSM.  I was still a registered dem, and I remember it convinced me to vote for Mccain/Palin. But I do remember how vicious the NYT was to Mccain as soon as he was the nominee, something about a front page story about an affair with a lobbyist. I finally am understand how the game is played by the lefty media.

However this time around, there is absolutely no one the GOP nominates that I will not vote for, I will be voting in the repub primairies, and it will be either Romney or Perry, I will vote for the person I think best to fight back hard and best chance to win against the chicago thug and the media that protects him, in my book its Perry. Perry doesn't look like he'll be intimidated, and unlike Mccain, Perry actually wants to win.

44 I'd venture a guess that most of the democrats who live in the Hamptons don't pay enough in taxes. Somehow they get away with NOT paying their fair share.

45 Actually, all the porn queens I know give pretty solid marital advice...

46 Perry doesn't look like he'll be intimidated, and unlike Mccain, Perry actually wants to win. Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 07, 2011 08:23 AM (ACkhT) Looking back at McCain's Suspended Campaign, I'm convinced he only wanted the nomination so he could scold older white woman that Obama posed no danger to the American Way of Life.

47

After all, sitting around various lunch and dinner tables were mostly Democrats.

The rest were communists, marxists, and stalinists but voted democrat.

48 Jeebus a Jewish Ivy Leaguer from WAPO (is there any other kind?) surveys  WASP Ivy Leaguers Buffy and Chad in the Hamptons and finds out that WASP Ivy Leaguer's don't like Sparky anymore but would vote for Huntsman or Romney, but not Perry. I wonder why? Can anyone say bigotry of the so-called brightest. Here's an idea, we swear an oath not to vote for any asshat that went to an Ivy League school and see how things go. As Sparky has proven, the Ivy League has no credible standards of merit but are merely a high-school clique of smarmy butt lickers. Lets go all American this time. You know, cow college, military service, business experience and some of that governing experience. Fuck the Northeast and the horse they rode in on. They are the problem we have been looking for - now lets solve the problem.

49 I suppose the take-away message is that now Cohen is raaaaacist, too.
This will be epic. People will be talking about the 2012 general election for 300 years.

50 50 Uncle Mikey,

I agree, but wouldn't trust their counsel enough to take it at face value.....


(see what I did there?-0)

51 Two years. For two years, Obama, Reid, and Pelosi had a lock on the legislative process. They could have given us card check, amnesty for illegals, single-payer healthcare, an end to our foreign wars, gay marriage, and a renewed "assault weapons" ban. How did they blow this for *us*? (let the recriminations begin) If we can get these pieces of shit slashing each others' throats, I'll pay to airdrop straight razors into their districts.

52 Looking back at McCain's Suspended Campaign, I'm convinced he only wanted the nomination so he could scold older white woman that Obama posed no danger to the American Way of Life. I never thought of it that way. Looking back I have to agree.

53 50 Actually, all the porn queens I know give pretty solid marital advice... Posted by: Uncle Mikey at September 07, 2011 08:25 AM (umot9) "Practice your Kegel exercise until you can use it to lift a 20 lbs dumbbell" is marital advice? I suppose...

54 After all, sitting around various lunch and dinner tables were mostly Democrats. The rest were communists, marxists, and stalinists but voted democrat. Posted by: dagny at September 07, 2011 08:26 AM (yIe7z) You left out imbecile members of the golden sperm club

55 "If there's any hope, it lies with the proles..."

56 It's time for a report from T. Coddington VanVorhees VIII.  Only T-Cod can provide the scincillating insight we need.

57

"Practice your Kegel exercise until you can use it to lift a 20 lbs dumbbell" is marital advice? I suppose..

Ya know what? When you want lover boy to finish up so you can get back to watching MadMen then this isn't bad advice. 

58 I correspond w a middle of the roader - he claims, really he hates Republicans - and he laments that Huntsman is so dreamy and "sane" and the Republicans won't nominate him, that he's the only electable Republican. When I remind him of the McCain gambit he says that the "authentic" McCain would have won. Seriously the you have to have liberal Republicans crew is delusional.

59

"convinced he only wanted the nomination so he could scold older white woman that Obama posed no danger to the American Way of Life. "

Oh yes, those white older hillary women supporters had more of a spine than Mccain. Both videos are worth a watch, BTW, this manhatthan woman is a waitress, a working class person, one of those Hoffa Jr would call a "SOB"

http://tinyurl.com/3un7oc8
http://tinyurl.com/3l9wrvg

60

Well if this hack can location drop, then so will I! I have been going to the "Hamptons" for 26 years now. A brother-in-law who remained a bachelor, worked in pharm marketing and amassed a small, by Hamptons standards, fortune.

Aside from the undeniable natural beauty of the places/towns around there, and the fact that all that money keeps riff raff from building boardwalks, arcades and other obnoxious "shore town" attractions, it's like any other part of the country; there are depressed areas, an Indian reservation, middle class neighborhoods (like my bro-in-law's) and then there are humongous mansions, usually glimpsed from behind enormous Privet Hedges, manicured by the numerous illegals who hang around the 7 Eleven just outside of Southampton proper, awaiting a truck to pick them up for a day's work.  

That said, I have never seen a ruder bunch of folks, met especially in grocery stores, in all of my life. They're all in a hurry, and can't imagine that you may be also in a hurry, and whether they're moneyed or not, they treat people as peons. I think this clown fits that category, smart, elitist that he is, he is probably the guy I saw at the farm stand who was overly impatient with the young girl waiting on him. And his wife was probably the gal who wanted to by two peaches with a credit card- at a farm stand. For real. There are some very nice folks there too, mostly the hard working class of people who have to deal with the likes of those aholes that attend the types of soirées that Cohen attended while "In the Hamptons".

Whenever we are in an election cycle and travel there, we love to flaunt our R bumper stickers, and once in a while, we get some thumbs up, even in the Hamptons. Yes, there are Republicans in the Hamptons Virginia. I'll  be up there again in a couple of weeks- sure wish I had a Perry bumper sticker...

 

61 64 Blaster,

tell your friend that the "real" John McCain would have won handily but we replaced John ith his evil twin Skippy McCain in August and kept Skippy in place until January of the next year.....

62 When I remind him of the McCain gambit he says that the "authentic" McCain would have won. Right. And Socialism would work... if only "They Had Done It Right."

63

also, these white liberals, who've notiiced to be some of the biggests racists don't realise that working class people, those reagan dems, clinton dems do not identify with them, and these white elitist liberals along with the CBC are now the demonrat party.

this post is a response from a blue collar hillary supporting dem to Hoffa jr's "SOB" comments, read the comments, these were all dems at one point, now independents.

http://tinyurl.com/3pspwag

64 @66: being rude is a description of today's rich you hear more and more often... be they at the Hamptons, Martha's Vineyard, you name it. I'm a bit of an architecture buff and know they love to build palaces that make them feel like European old aristocracy. But you know, the funny thing about the true European aristocrats that are still around is, They tend to be the most courteous, least snobbish people around. In other words, they have true aristocratic bearing, in the best sense of the word. Unlike the nouveau riche snobs that support Obama.

65 The Democrat base is the "working class"? Somebody should ask Cohen what year he thinks it is.

66 Articles like this are just ballot management

67

That said, I have never seen a ruder bunch of folks, met especially in grocery stores, in all of my life.

Come to DC environs. Makes NYC look friendly.

Actually, I met a woman who was temporarily living in Arlington with her physicist Stanford professor husband. She was Indian-indian from Boston but she said the rudest coldest nastiest people on earth live in Palo Alto.

68 Yes, there are Republicans in the Hamptons Virginia. I'll be up there again in a couple of weeks- sure wish I had a Perry bumper sticker... Posted by: Trish at September 07, 2011 08:33 AM (rS4W1) Yes but that would be Hampton Roads, Virginia

69 Does it ever occur to people like Cohen that columns like his send the message that Obama is the candidate of the rich and powerful? Doesn't that message contradict the claim that the Democrats are the party that protects the poor and middle class from the evil Republicans?

70 Does it ever occur to people like Cohen that columns like his send the message that Obama is the candidate of the rich and powerful?

Huh, good point.  For some reason it seems that dichotomy is lost on a party that likes to put Warren Buffet's pleas for torture front and center.

71

#76

Like fish don't know water's wet, elitist liberals don't realise what cacoon they live in. That's why they can't see that Tea party people are working class people, it contains union members, not bosses, and yet thy keep attacking the very people who are leaving the dems in droves thinking that will make the demonrats stronger as an entity by attacking them.

72

Richard Cohen is rather funny to read. Doctrinaire liberal on every issue, until it comes to Israel, then he starts to foam at the mouth. You see, the reason Arabs hate Americans is because they hate GWB and his illegal wars, but the reason Arabs hate Israelis is because they're Muslims who are taught to hate Jews and there is really little common ground to be had.

I'd call Cohen out for being intellectually dishonest, but that would assume he actually has an intellect to speak of.

73 Don't forget guilt as a motive for rich liberals. If you're living on the money that Daddy or Grandpa made -- or if you made your own fortune in a win-the-lottery trade like acting or singing, where you personally know people more talented than you who can't pay the rent -- then you feel terribly guilty about enjoying what you don't deserve. Now you're not about to give it away, but you can salve your conscience by supporting a party which claims to "help the poor" by making other rich people (who you naturally assume are no more deserving of their wealth than you are) give away their money.

74 Stories like this always reminds me when I was spat on and called a baby killer at Yale (circa 1987). I laughed my ass off. That little girl was so proud of her righteous indignation. I get a giggle thinking of her look of shocked amazement, which just made me laugh harder. Good times. Posted by: Beefy Meatball at September 07, 2011 08:45 AM (bZ8J6) She probably works for Obama's Department of Social Justice, now.

75

Interesting. When a liberal mediaite states that someone is unelectable lots of folks here jump all over it.

 

When a conservative mediaite states that someone is unelectable lots of folks here agree.

 

Not trying to make trouble. Justan obsevation.

76 Bill Mitchell @21: Four years of David Dinkins was enough to keep the Dems out of NYC's city hall for 20 years (and counting). The damage President Billy Ray Valentine has done to the country in four years all falls to the Dem brand. 16 years in the wildnerness? Please, please, please~

77 81 Don't forget guilt as a motive for rich liberals. Right, but that guilt - and supposed desire to be "taxed more" - doesn't keep them from tax sheltering their money and avoiding ALL taxation if possible. So I say, let's assuage their guilt by confiscating their money, if it's third generation inheritance. Why should some little liberal fuck live in a palace in the Hamptons, and give millions to Obama, simply because Grandpa - who said little fuck probably despises as an Evil Capitalist - was good at making money? Hell, if he's so hardcore left and SO elaborately guilty, you'd think the Little Liberal Rich Fuck Ought to be Thanking Us for confiscating his money for the Greater Good. No?

78 If you're living on the money that Daddy or Grandpa made --

or a sugar daddy...

79 Hey richie boy, ABC, Gallup, NBC, Rasmussen, and Zogby all say you are wrong. Perry trailed Obama by an average of 16 before announcing. He trails by 1.6 just a few weeks later. In fact, per Gallup and ABC, republican pollsters hardly, he beats your fallen angel. Even the MSMs meme of unelectable isn't working in their own damn polls. Delicious.

80 Posted by: Beefy Meatball at September 07, 2011 08:45 AM (bZ8J6)

"Baby killer" applied to the self righteous whore using abortion as birth control during that era of "free love".

81 "But Huntsman isn't to the Left of the President and neither is Romney." Are you sure about that? I don't know what the hell Huntsman is. In my lifetime, I have been lied to by so many candidates that I stopped listening to what they say. I only focus on what they have done. Huntsman did what was expected of him by his constituents in Utah. He could not have got away with anything really lefty radical. I look at huntsman's time with the chicoms. Every interaction we have with the Chinese we take it up the ass. I know he is not the decision maker but WTF, at some point he could have stepped away and said that our policies were feeding the red menace and are not in our best interests. I think if Huntsman shaved his head we would find three sixes lined up neatly on his scalp. I believe he is a Trojan Horse.

82 Beefy Meatball I believe you are USMA? My roommate was a hockey player and one night he came back from playing Princeton and he got slammed into the boards and the guy called him a fucking baby killer. Roommate did not understand. He was just playing hockey. The 80s. Good times, good times.

83 "So I say, let's assuage their guilt by confiscating their money, if it's third generation inheritance." Guilt-based leftardism is sociopathic. Out of regret for having been blessed by the fickle finger of fate, they influence public policy to encourage confiscatory taxation (theft under color of law) to assuage their unfounded guilt.

84 I know he is not the decision maker but WTF, at some point he could have stepped away and said that our policies were feeding the red menace and are not in our best interests. The supreme irony of American history is that, starting with Nixon, we Americans finally figures out how to make (Chinese) communism work.

85 Uh, I meant, figured.

86 Over the Labor Day weekend, I went to a number of events in the Hamptons.-- Richard Cohen

As if that doesn't say it all, Labor Day in the Hamptons.

So much for journalists investigating the working man's plight on Labor Day.

87 Cohen feels the need to drop in the DNC's continuing attempt to paint Huntsman and Romney as electable and Perry as not.

The left wants to make sure that even if a Republican gets elected, it will be one that merely manages Obama's mess better, instead of trying to roll it back.

88 79, used to enjoy going to civilian colleges in our circa 1840 wool uni's, feeling their hate, then banging their girlfriends.

89

Hell, if he's so hardcore left and SO elaborately guilty, you'd think the Little Liberal Rich Fuck Ought to be Thanking Us for confiscating his money for the Greater Good.

Spot on. 

Ever notice how rich libs - hell, libs in general, never have the courage of their convictions?  Their solution is always that someone else has to give/do/say more than they do.

90 @97 you USMA too?

91 Hell, if he's so hardcore left and SO elaborately guilty, you'd think the Little Liberal Rich Fuck Ought to be Thanking Us for confiscating his money for the Greater Good.

No?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 07, 2011 08:50 AM (niZvt)

That's not how it works for them.  If you believe the right things and support the right candidates, you are exempted from the confiscation.  In fact, your morality entitles you to have more money than those greedy bastards in the middle class.

For the left, wealth is justified by adherence to progressive values, not by merit.

92 "Their solution is always that someone else has to give/do/say more than they do." That was my point. Anyone able to satisfy a "something must be done" urge by coercing somebody else to do it is wired wrong in the head.

93 I look at huntsman's time with the chicoms. Every interaction we have with the Chinese we take it up the ass.

Huntsman didn't make news rebutting crack-head Biden's endorsement of China's one-child policy.

Irony, coming from Utah's majority population representing large families, as if Huntsman holds a McCain-sized grudge against his constituent base.

94 Let me add to 97, and the academies

95

My roommate was a hockey player and one night he came back from playing Princeton and he got slammed into the boards and the guy called him a fucking baby killer.

Yeah, because in the 1980s, the Army was engaged in multiple hot wars using genocide as a weapon.  ::: eye roll :::

I was in ROTC in those years.  That shit used to crack me up.  At some point those morons became a parody of themselves.  Did they ever listen to themselves?  Did they ever know what they were saying?

It's a rhetorical question.  We all know the answer.

96 99, no, el cid

97

Anyone able to satisfy a "something must be done" urge by coercing somebody else to do it is wired wrong in the head.

That is the operational definition of Hayek's "fatal conceit."

98

el cid

Maximum security college.

99   PERRY is "not electable."

Them's fightin' words here at Perry Campaign.. er...AOS  Headquarters.

100 I'd take Huntsman over Romney any day. If you look at the kind of changes that Huntsman made in Utah, he is way to the right of Romney.

101 "That is the operational definition of Hayek's 'fatal conceit.'" I was thinking more in terms of individual "reasoning" processes. Any person that can make that leap is a malfunctioning component.

102 Jean I am fromSouth Cakkalaki have many relatives who are Citadel grads and had a Citadel scholars scholarship but went to USMA instead.

103 For the left, wealth is justified by adherence to progressive values, not by merit.

"From Far Right to Far Left" : In 1940 the Republican party presented itself as the party that was against centralized power, against militarism and foreign meddling, against Communism; it was for local control, individual liberty and the pioneer spirit. -- James Boyd, The New York Times Magazine, December 6, 1970.

Example already cited, The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 illustrates how progressively Left the Republican establishment and Leadership function today, to the ruin of the American economy and the global economy.

Pelosi's admonition for the "common values" bipartisan establishment to remain united isn't to be dismissed as if the monopoly on vice belongs to a single party being "the left" ignoring merit or value.

104 Posted by: Texan Economist at September 07, 2011 09:10 AM (TC/9F)

Given the candidate line up, I wouldn't waste any breath over either of those.

105 Obama still has me.

106 FYI Richard we fish here. You don't have to go to the Outer Banks to fish. When you to the beach do you see that the large body of water in front of you? That is the Atlantic Ocean. It is the same body of water in North Carolina. Guess what there is fish in the Atlantic Ocean and you can fish in the Hamptons too. Try it sometime you may get a different perspective.

Apparently Richard Cohen knows as much about fishing as intellectuals.

107

Let me call the roll. I am talking about are writers and editors, lawyers and shrinks, Wall Street tycoons and freelance photographers, hedge funders and academics, run-of-the-mill Democrats and Democratic activists.

 

Ah yes, the party of the average working person. It's the Republicans that are the EVIL rich

108 Huntsman is obama lite! In interviews he comes across as so superior and with the same raised head looking amusingly down at the interviewer - let's see  he could be called the white obama. If any one saw the fawning interview with piers morgan - you could get a sugar high!
However I think Romney could appeal to a wide swath of both libertarians, dems and repubs, and he is miles ahead in experience of huntsman and others.

109 I hope we don't get into a situation where the perfect is the enemy of the good. What we want is a fiscally responsible, pro-defense, nationalist, small-government conservative. What we need is someone who a) isn't Obama, and b) will win in 2012.

I want Perry. But I'll vote for anyone or anything running against Obama.

110 @ex pat "Huntsman is obama lite! In interviews he comes across as so superior and with the same raised head looking amusingly down at the interviewer - let's see he could be called the white obama. If any one saw the fawning interview with piers morgan - you could get a sugar high! However I think Romney could appeal to a wide swath of both libertarians, dems and repubs, and he is miles ahead in experience of huntsman and others." In style he is like Obama in philosophy he is a right winger. Romney is NOT a right winger at all, he just wants more subsidies, more privatizing profit and more socializing losses.

111 15 ... and in my humble opinion, its going to take a cowboy to beat a chicago thug in 2012. Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 07, 2011 07:55 AM (ACkhT) And the film that documents the 2012 election battle will be called, "Cowboys and Aliens: This Time, For Reals" and a debt bomb will play a major role in destroying the Alien's vehicle.

112 Blaster, I got in to canoe u., but did not get an appointment. Only time we spent at WP was a sleepover on a rugby trip to McGill - so your gf were safe. Went to Annapolis quite often . One trip to AF to present a paper with 2 MECEPs - that was surreal.

113 Can Perry get the independent and disillusioned demcrat vote in the swing states? Will his signing the pro life and marriage amendment pledges in combination with the evangelical meme hurt that effort? I hope not but it's not unreasonable to think it will and thus the opinion that he is unelectable. Its not my opinion that he is unelectable. I just think it will be a tougher race. The Dems can use all of their normal scare and false meme tactics with Perry whereas they will have to use a new strategy for Romney.

114 For shame @Gabriel Malor you left out the part about how surprised (shocked-shocked, I say) Cohen was at how "surprisingly popular" Obama is in Texas LOL

115 Yeah!  The Hamptons!  Let's take those sons-a-bitches OUT!

116 The Democrats are hitting hard on the "Scary Christians!" meme this year. I can't say how effective it is. Most people in this country -- even Democrats -- still think calling someone a "good Christian" is a compliment. Only the Kostard lefty base think it's a bad thing, and they'd vote for Obama even if he strangled Ruth Bader Ginsberg on live television.

And anyway, the Democrats and their media catamites will just make shit up about any candidate who gets the nomination. Picking someone with "no negatives" is futile.

I'm most concerned about character. I want a fighter. A bulldog. Somone who'll campaign energetically, push back against the media bias, and challenge all the Democrat shenanigans in voting and tabulating on election day itself. That's what we need -- someone who's willing to win.

117

#53

The day America started going bad is when people bought the line that Ivy Leaguers were smarter than everybody else.

118

"Will his signing the pro life and marriage amendment pledges in combination with the evangelical meme hurt that effort? "

I can only add my 1 opinion, but I'm not pro-life, I'm socially more centerist, a libeterian, so while I support NY as a state to have gay marriage, I would just as equally respect UT as a state to ban gay marriage, Perry is a strong supporter of the 10th amendent, which I like.  In my opinion, abortion should have been handled this way rather than shoving a ruling down on everyone. If there is a movement on an issue one way or another, then change the consitution, get the states to ratify it, in the meantime, leave the states alone.  As long as an individual is never discriminated against because of their race, sexual leanings etc, the state can decide what it wants when it comes to these issues.

The LSM will no doubt harp on these issues, which by 2012 will be nonissues for those voters who want fiscal limited govt.

Perry I can vote for even if I disagree with him on social issues, because I don't get the sense he's going to ram his views on others via policy.  I like Perry, from what I've seen and read of him, he's a strong fighter, and that's what's needed to evict the Chicago thug from the WH.

119 However I think Romney could appeal to a wide swath of both libertarians, dems and repubs, and he is miles ahead in experience of huntsman and others.

I don't see how Romney would appeal to any libertarians. 

I think he is probably electable, but he would lose a decent sized chunk of conservatives and libertarians in the general.  Especially the former because he's at best a pretty standard Republican, not a Tea Party Republican. 

I also really challenge your assertion that Romney is miles ahead of Huntsman (whom I loathe) on experience.  On paper, Huntsman is really the strongest candidate because he has both private and public sector work experience and he's certainly got the most foreign policy experience of any of the candidates.  You're forgetting he worked for several GOP administrations in international trade and diplomatic service. 

120

That picture on Drudge says it all. 

121 109 I'd take Huntsman over Romney any day. If you look at the kind of changes that Huntsman made in Utah, he is way to the right of Romney.

Posted by: Texan Economist at September 07, 2011 09:10 AM (TC/9F)

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To what are you referring:  Huntsman reneging on his campaign promise to back school vouchers or him signing the state up for cap & trade? 

122 Y-not so you think conservatives and libertarians will vote for Obama or just not vote? Really?

123 johnc EXdem that's my point. By signing these pledges he is obligated to ram his views on you via policy.

124 Cohen's been a mediocre hack since he was a local reporter for the Post.  His promotion to the national beat was hardly due to his sterling reporting, and probably far more due to his being a MOT.  All the democratic "movers and shakers" he's so proud of hobnobbing with are also NY  and CA Jews - the stereotypical "snooty" Hampton resident stopped vacationing there decades ago.

125 Can Perry get the independent and disillusioned demcrat vote in the swing states? The swing states are FL, OH, NC, VA, IN ... Perry doesn't need disillusioned Dims to vote for him, he just needs the Pubs to turn out and to a lesser extend, the Dims to stay home. Turnout not flipping voters by being "moderate" is what matters. The independents will go with momentum, and Obama's got no mo right now.

126 131 Y-not so you think conservatives and libertarians will vote for Obama or just not vote? Really?
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I'm certain that a subset of them, particularly the libertarians, will vote third party or not vote.  It's happened before.  It will happen again. 

That's not a reason to not nominate Romney (I have other reasons that put him below Perry on my list).  And, I do think he would draw some "moderates" (liberal Republicans, Independents, and perhaps a few Democrats). 

I think Romney's electability issues (which every candidate has of some type or another) have to do with his ability to mobilize enough of the base to counter the shenanigans that Obama's base is going to pull (again) and also withstanding the media onslaught that will be driven by the gay lobby. 

Even though Perry is conservative on gay marriage, he allowed himself wiggle room via states' rights... and, more importantly, he does not have the specter of the LDS church hanging over him.  After living in California during the Prop 8 travesty I've seen first hand how intensely the LDS church is hated by the Left.  I am really worried that they will be successful in tapping into peoples' bigotry against Mormons. 

127 Posted by: Muffy von Clenchjaw-Monocle<<<

I admit it.  I LOL'd.  Out loud.

128 BTW, I said "former" when I meant "latter."  Obviously more coffee is needed!

129 Y-not Perry sign the Marriage amendment pledge so any wiggle room he had was eliminated.

130 138 Y-not Perry sign the Marriage amendment pledge so any wiggle room he had was eliminated.

I disagree.

No one believes that a President has much effect on passing a constitutional amendment. 

131

"By signing these pledges he is obligated to ram his views on you via policy. "

With all due respect, do you understand how a change to the consitution is implemented? He can sign whatever he wants, first it would have to pass congress, both houses by 2/3rd majority, this will never happen. Second, it has to be ratified by 37 states, that's not going to happen either.  At least he's signing a pledge to do this the correct way, the way the founding fathers intended for change to happen. Unlike Barry, who rams thru a PO$ ObamaCare bill forcing people to buy a private product, I would bet if the supreme ct says that's consitutional, you will have a massive uprising from the states to change the consitution to not allow the fed govt to force people to buy a private product, 27 states are already sueing on this reason only 7 more are needed.

The fed govt doesn't dictate on the extent of its powers, the union of the states dictate the limit of the federal govt's power.

Perry gets it, in fact I was pleased to Bachmann explain this in her first debate as well, Palin as expressed this as well. This in my opnion is a consitutional conservative, of which I consider myself one, even if I am not a social conservative. Romney, I really don't get where he stands, at least with Perry I know where he stands,and is willing to explain his stances.

132 Also Perry has the specter of being an evangelica over him which the press will focus on much more than they would the LDS. Besides Harry Reid is LDS so the retort is ready to go.

133 Of course Perry isn't electable.  No one Cohen knows would vote for him.

134 @139
That's the beauty of Perry's positioning (which I also think is a sincere one) from a political standpoint. 

He's saying "states' rights" on these hot button issues.  That gives folks who are leaning conservative on fiscal issues but firmly liberal or laissez-faire on social issues reassurance that Perry is not going to change their lives in those arenas when he gets into office. 

But Perry's core values are such that he believes that things like abortion and marriage are so fundamental that they should become part of the constitution via amendments.  I think that's a fine position, particularly on abortion (which to me is so friggin' fundamental as to be about human rights - for the unborn).  But how many of us think that those amendments are going anywhere until the economy is turned around? 

135 I see you didn't read either pledge as well as moving your own goal post. Fine.

136 Ron Paul is not to the left of Obama and the embodiment of conservative intellectual firepower!!!

137 #144 was for John EXdem.

138 141 Also Perry has the specter of being an evangelica over him which the press will focus on much more than they would the LDS. Besides Harry Reid is LDS so the retort is ready to go.

Here's the thing about that... and perhaps this is colored by my perspective as a Roman Catholic.  The Evangelical Church is not really a Church, it's a mindset or movement.  There's no hierarchy, no leader, nothing tangible to demonize.  Catholics and Mormons attract a lot of hatred because we're highly organized and codified.  Hell, I am not sure I even know what Evangelicals believe... it seems to be quite variable.

So although Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, she's not a practicing Catholic in good standing.  No one can look at Pelosi's views on abortion and be confused about what Church teaching is because all they have to do is ask a Cardinal or the Pope to find out what the teaching is. 

I think the same applies to Reid.  He may still have a temple recommend or whatever (just as Nancy may still be allowed communion), but if he is promoting gay marriage (honestly, I don't know his position on that), then he's not following LDS teaching. 

139 It seems as though some folks buy the reasoning that constitutional amendments are unconstitutional. 

I am amazed by how many people can't grasp the concept behind what Perry said.  His position is that under the current constitution, gay marriage is a state's issue.  He went on to say that he supports the efforts by the states to change the constitution to define marriage. 

140 ABBO

141 It's probably worth recollecting that Obama didn't win New York (The Hamptons by a percentage a bit higher than the rest of the state) in the 2008 Dem primary.

142 #148 Y-not I hope you're not referring to me. What I can't understand is how some people can't grasp the concept that Perry has taken the position he wants to take away the present states constitutional right to make a decision on gay marriage. That he wants to do it properly by changing the constitution by amendment makes no difference to the people who support gay marriage.

143 Cohen must have gone to Worst Hampton

144 What I can't understand is how some people can't grasp the concept that Perry has taken the position he wants to take away the present states constitutional right to make a decision on gay marriage. That he wants to do it properly by changing the constitution by amendment makes no difference to the people who support gay marriage.

The states would be doing the changing, not Perry.

The states decide what constitutional principles they want to abide by as a collective.  It's fucking hard to accomplish.  (Where's that Equal Rights Amendment I grew up hearing about?)  Does that mean every individual in the country agrees with everything in the constitution?  No.  There's no guarantee of that.  But to act like it's federal overreach to support a constitutional amendment, which is what you seem to be doing, is incomprehensible to me. 

Of the two issues, I feel most strongly about the abortion one simply because we are guaranteed life and that has been denied to millions of unborn people.  However, after looking at the disaster that has occurred with Islamic polygamy in Europe (such as in the UK where it has lead to even more strain on their social programs), I am coming around to the need for a federal marriage amendment.  It's the only way to stop polygamy (Islamic, FLDS, or whatever religion condones it) and I really think it must be stopped. 

I guess I am a little confused about where you think Romney stands on gay marriage.  He is by all accounts a good, practicing Mormon -- unlike Huntsman -- so I sincerely doubt that he would do things much differently than Perry on gay issues. 

145

I have read the pledge, don't agree with it, but I can understand Perry's position. Like I stated I'm not a social conservative, but I can support Perry. For those who's only position is gay marriage, yes, then Perry will not be their candidate, but there are many who disagree with Perry's positions yet realise social issues this time around will not be the predominant issue and so can support Perry.

146 I hope you realize, polynikes, that I don't hate Romney.  I'm very frustrated with his refusal to do a thorough walk-back of Masscare and I am baffled by his ethanol stance, but I don't hate the guy.  I will say, however, that irrespective of Romney's positions on those two issues, I'd still favor Perry simply because he has the fresher resume (Mitt's is dusty) and the most compelling, simple case to make to the American people going into the general. 

147 My point is Perry has unnecessarily put himself in a position by signing these pledges that backs him into a corner. No one questioned his pro life or pro hetero marriage bonafides. He had the wiggle room as Y-not put it that could have appeased some voters concerns that he was going to make these issues a priority. No longer. I will support Perry with money and time if he is the nominee but I think his is the tougher road.

148 He had the wiggle room as Y-not put it that could have appeased some voters concerns that he was going to make these issues a priority. No longer.

I guess I don't see that there's much of an increased risk of him making these ("social") issues a priority by him simply confirming he supports constitutional amendments.  I assume john-recent-ex-democrat is not alone in his willingness to give Perry a pass on those things. 

I do agree with you though that in general these sorts of pledges are a very bad idea.  They have a tendency to blow up in candidates' faces.  I'm a little confused about whether or not Romney signed it - I see conflicting reports from August 4th on that. 

One reason I wish Romney would have a sit down with Perry and come to terms about running as his VP is that if Mitt dropped out, Perry could run more centrist in the primary.  I'd prefer that to him having to run right to grab Bachmann's supporters (assuming she drops out) and trying to grab Palin supporters. 

I think Romney would be a very good VP pick, even though he's not the exciting star Rubio is.  He exudes the competent manager people like to see in a VP and he brings some regional and fundraising benefits. 

149 The MSM could get the guy elected by refusing to vet him and actively promoting the Messiah Cargo Cult that grew up around him. The MSM is the Obama Messiah Cargo Cult.

150 He did not simply confirm a position. These pledges obligated him to make these issues a priority. Take for instance the Pro life pledge. It restricts who he can appoint to his administration base on their abortion position. That's a bridge too far. It's an unforced error and Perry has a tendency to do that. Also let Perry participate in a debate before you have Romney asking Perry to be Perry's VP.

151 this is the new journolist marching chant- Obama the Centrist!1! And it's pure hogwash Obama still gets the self described Liberal in Gallup with a 79% approval rating. Where he has been slipping is with Moderate Democrats, Conservative Democrats and Independents-so the journolist goal is to sell Obama as a centrist. It's funny how Krugman and a bunch of others all came out with the "Obama is too centrist" meme at about the same time.

152

Rick Perry is not going to win.  Ever.  If you have convinced yourself that his book will not matter, you are deluded.

It is good for Romney to be off the far left's radar for a while.  The last thing we need is to give the DNC a clear front runner at this point.  Let Perry shield Romney for a couple of more months.  Perry is perfect fodder for the left to get rabid over. 

The more liberals look at Romney and say, "I could vote for him."  The better off the country is.  Rick Perry is doing Romney and the United States a real favor, by showing the GOP at it's worst.

When the serious voting begins, Perry will fade away, he is an embarrassment waiting to happen.  And I think most of you who claim to support him already know that.

I have no idea why you refuse to throw your weight behind Romney, but it is probably good that you hold off for now.  We don't need him taking all the hits just yet.

It is obvious who the eventual nominee will be.  There is only one qualified candidate.  But let's keep the lefties distracted with red meat insanity for a bit longer.  That way Romney will have something of a mandate when he wins.

153 Also let Perry participate in a debate before you have Romney asking Perry to be Perry's VP.

I don't know about you, but debate performances are very low on my list of determining factors.  If they were critical, I'd be considering Newt. 

Perry would have to do cataclysmically poorly for me to bump him below the others.  His appeal for me, and I suspect many of us, is his record more than his rhetoric.  The rhetoric is just a cherry on top of what I think is the best record to run on at this time in the country. 

154 Re the marriage amendment pledge, to which one are you referring?  Romney signed the NOM one.  So he's on the hook for the marriage amendment, too.  However, that did not result in him watering down his 59-point economic plan.  So I just don't accept your assertion that making something "a priority" has a heck of a lot of meaning, frankly.  It will not change what Perry or Romney would do one bit.  To me, it's simply not an unforced error.  It was a judgment call.  It might not have been one I'd make, but it's by no means disqualifying. 

As for the abortion thing, I suspect what that means in practice is that people with a public record of promoting abortion will not get high-profile slots in the administration.  Whether that means a guy like Rudy would not be given the AG slot, well, I guess the world won't come to an end.  There are other folks out there who would make a fine AG. 

155 99 @97 you USMA too?

Posted by: Blaster at September 07, 2011 09:03 AM

Quite a few of us out here in Moron Nation.

156 A fine example of Democratic intellectual firepower this is not.

Uh, yes it is.  Sure, the intellect it shows is pretty bad, but that's what makes it such a fine example!  Quite typical of their firepower.

157 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

158 Yep! I was agreed, I'll keep in touch to your blog.

159

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