Yeah Baby!

_scoamf

SP has her own standard.  Like Jon Stewart said, people should take her seriously.

She fininshed a four-year governor term in only two and a half years.

When she debuted her comedy act, she debuted on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.

This lady sets her standards.

Oh.... and others sometimes judge her differently too so the standard assigned her is different.

"Since we're flingin' all sorts of personal-benefit allegations around with no evidence, I'll note it occurs to me that Sarah Palin's monetary stream dries up if there's a conservative president."

Yes, and the election of George W. Bush took all the wind out of Rush Limbaugh's sails because he didn't have Bill Clinton to criticize anymore.

If you want to make a straw man argument to illustrate how petty the charges against Perry are, at least make one that has some internal consistency.

But Dr. Ronald DePinho, the new president of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, says the vaccine is not just sound but "one of the great scientific advances in the history of medicine."

Sure, if you consider an epidemic of late onset retardation and crying mothers a great scientific advance.

I don't like Sarah Palin, and I thought Perry was bought back in 2007.

Look, the vaccine was never tested on pre-pubescent girls, yet Perry mandated that it be given to 12 year-olds or younger. And only girls, not boys, even though boys are carriers. And the thing it's vaccinating against is behavioral, not environmental, so there is no earthly (or governmentally sound) reason to force people to vaccinate against it in order to attend government-mandated schools.

My problem with that is that his knee-jerk is to do whatever the hell he feels like regardless of the rights of the people or even their opinions. It was wildly unpopular when he did it, but he assumed if he forced it down people's throats, they'd get over it. He repealed it only when it was causing a problem long enough to risk his re-election. Truly, a man in touch with his consituency.

And has anyone mentioned that Perry actively worked with his lieutenant governor, the Rep speaker of the house, and the Rep senate leader to scuttle the anti-TSA bill here in Texas? Because he loves freedom.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 13, 2011 05:15 PM (8y9MW)

And holding a sweet, innocent, 12 year old girl down and injecting her with autism against her will makes sense to you!?!

Hey Ace,

Since you mentioned standards, check out this from the Sarah Palin/Gardasil thread below.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:13 PM (KxADM)

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 05:18 PM (0M3AQ)

Their CEO bundled $500,000 for him in 2008

Four posts today saying the same thing.  All inceasingly frantic.

I thought Palin and Bachmann had destroyed themselves yesterday. Why all the anger then?

In listening to "The Five" on FNC right now.....it's like they've been reading the comments here from the debate thread last nite.

Its.....eery. They've been saying the same things that people said here last night.

The more I think about it, the more I think Palin/Leno should be talked about.  What could anger a lib more, especially a comedian, than people talking about Sarah Palin "killing" on the Tonight Show for her debut set, and getting invited over to the couch to chat with Jay for a while?

In listening to "The Five" on FNC right now.....it's like they've been reading the comments here from the debate thread last nite.

Its.....eery. They've been saying the same things that people said here last night.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 05:20 PM (mwfMy)

Great Morons think alike....

Perhaps Palin should temper her statements about Perry's FORMER aide going to work for a lobbying firm that had Merck as a client.  Maybe someone just might start asking her questions about Sean Parnell.  Parnell? You say?

Yeah, Parnell was Palin's hand picked running mate when she ran for Governor of Alaska.  At the time, Parnell was working for one of the largest lobbying firms in the U.S. who represented the oil companies in Alaska.  Parnell maintained his job as a lobbyist the entire time he ran for Lt. Governor, and only resigned the day before he was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska.  So it could be said, legitimately, that when Palin resigned as governor, she turned that office over to a lobbyist.  Parnell, as a lobbyist, also contributed to Palin's campaign coffers.

But it gets worse; Parnell was also part of the legal team that defended Exxon in the Exxon-Valdez oil spill case.

But the Palinistas will never admit that their chosen one has warts of her own.

I thought Palin and Bachmann had destroyed themselves yesterday. Why all the anger then?

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 13, 2011 05:20 PM (ROFkf)

You really want to know why? I'll tell you why I am pissed as the father of two daughters. Bachman in her craziness has been all over the national media telling everyone that this vaccine will make you crazy with absolutely no proof. If she scares just one parent and one young woman dies from cervical cancers because of it Bachman should be jailed. For life.

That's why.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 13, 2011 05:15 PM (8y9MW)

Shut up!  That's how.

I thought Palin and Bachmann had destroyed themselves yesterday. Why all the anger then?

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 13, 2011 05:20 PM (ROFkf)

I guess you don't know ace.

Posted by: Johnny at September 13, 2011 05:22 PM (jTasq)

So you're saying Perry reads Ace's posts.

And holding a sweet, innocent, 12 year old girl down and injecting her with autism against her will makes sense to you!?!

Could be worse. My parents said they cared, didn't want me to get polio, took me to the doctor's to get a shot. The next morning, I was a dog.

86 It does amaze me that the MFM is willing to run with anything and everything when they did NOTHING to vet the current Commander Cluster*uck in office.

Screw you media.  You've proven that you really fuc*ing suck.

Courage.

By all means, blame the WaPo headlines on Sarah Palin. Blame her for the TX wildfires too... makes about as much sense.

I'm more concerned with Perry's "just because their last name sounds different, that doesn't mean we shouldn't give illegals taxpayer subsidized educational benefits" comment. Because, as Perry made clear with that clarification, it's racist to oppose taxpayer subsidized benefits for illegal aliens.

Let me get this straight.  Are you saying we can't buy our politicians or that we can?  I get confused.

I suppose the issue isn't whether or not we can buy them - it's whether they stay bought. 

It's unfotunate, but I don't think Perry stayed bought.  As a conservative, that makes me mad.  If someone pays you off, you have a duty to come through for them.  so, I will vote against Perry b/c Merck properly paid him off with $28,000 and Perry did not stay bought - the EO was rescinded.

Can't we trust anyone anymore. 

I'm also mad that Perry allegedly came so cheap.  We're not even talking about real money here.

The slate of candidates sucked 6 months ago and it still sucks. Sorry to all the Perry-winkles but Perry pretty much sucks too despite some of y'all havin man crushes and boners for him since he jumped in.  Every damn one of them is seriously flawed.  Michelle is "out there", Santorum is radioactive, Cain is clueless, Newt is old and busted, Paul is ... well...Paul, Romney is a douchnozzle RINO and I have an ever growing uneasy feeling that Perry will screw us the same way W did by growing government once he gets in.

Obama has soured the country on the Dems and we are poised to make huge gains and win back the white House but every one of the candidates is a friggin' loser. This has nothing to do with "purity". The fact is that they all have serious issues, not just little ones here and there, and we are stuck with one of these assholes. Notr a single quality individual to fill the leadership vacuum at a critical time. What a wasted opportunity. 

Help us Marco Rubio Kenobi --- you are our only hope...

But it gets worse; Parnell was also part of the legal team that defended Exxon in the Exxon-Valdez oil spill case.

But the Palinistas will never admit that their chosen one has warts of her own.

Posted by: zane at September 13, 2011 05:23 PM (96MtQ)

Where the hell were those cocksuckers in 2008?

Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 05:33 PM (Xm1aB)

Digging through snow in Wasilla.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 13, 2011 05:31 PM (TUax9)

Eh, this is weak sauce.  The whole 'it's only about money for Palin' thing is a strectch, to say the least.  Hate her for her politics or hate her for her drama, but this 'need a RINO to stay relevant' crap kinda reeks of the Area 51 grand conspiracy nonsense that Ace went ape-sh*t over just a few days ago.  The money stream argument is completely lame, especially when there are real reasons to be critical of SP.

Maybe it is time for Bachmann to answer why her own state introduced legislation to mandate Gardasil for girls in the same age group?  Did she do anything to stop that? 

The lobbyist Bachmann talked about was a FORMER aide to Perry.  I wonder, does Bachmann think that if you work for a governor and leave that position, the governor has the right to tell you where to go to work?

Here's the deal;  Perry was initially portrayed as being too "conservative" to run for POTUS.  He got in, and immediately, the left started pounding on him, along with the Karl Rove neo-cons, and so the establishment Republicans started pounding on him.  Basically, they want Romney, who is more like G.W. Bush, and less like Reagan.  The goal is to pound Perry until he is unelectable, and wind up with Romney, who will win, and the day he assumes office will revert back to the left leaner he is with an R behind his name.

No one now talks about Romneycare, which is a massive failure and the only reason it still exists is because Obama's Stimulus Bill infused $764 million into it in 2009.   In spite of taxpayers all across the nation picking up the tab for Romneycare, Massachussetts has a debt to GDP ratio of over 25%, while Texas has an 18% ratio.  Debt per citizen in Massachussetts is over $14,000 while in Texas it is around $8,000.    But Romney is the GOP establishment choice, and they will do anything they can, including destroying Rick Perry, to get him elected. 

So be prepared for 8 more years of "compassionate conservativism", i.e. more spending and less frugality.

Posted by: LAZRTX at September 13, 2011 05:36 PM (WvqFW)

Do you have any evidence they did? If you do why don't you just put it out there.

Could be worse. My parents said they cared, didn't want me to get polio, took me to the doctor's to get a shot. The next morning, I was a dog.

Posted by: Benji at September 13, 2011 05:28 PM (F5OMl)

I can top that.

The local afternoon guy in Boston is a big Romney cocksucker.  He was trying to say that voters could overlook Romneycare being a blueprint for Obamacare, but they couldn't overlook the Texas DREAM Act analog.

Lookit, they're both flawed.  I'll take a conservative over a NE Republican any day.

"I just wonder how it tastes,"

Not as tasty as my ass.

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at September 13, 2011 05:38 PM (IhHdM)

That's fine, it's your choice and your free to make it. There is a big difference from that and going on national tv to say the vaccine will make you retarded just to try to save your already failed presidential campaign.

"So let me get this straight.

Rick Perry gets some lumps in the debate and then WaPo posts a negative article on Perry. And the response is... to attack Sarah Palin?"

----

And they say Palin fans are irrational.

Eh, this is weak sauce.  The whole 'it's only about money for Palin' thing is a strectch, to say the least.  Hate her for her politics or hate her for her drama, but this 'need a RINO to stay relevant' crap kinda reeks of the Area 51 grand conspiracy nonsense that Ace went ape-sh*t over just a few days ago.  The money stream argument is completely lame, especially when there are real reasons to be critical of SP.

Posted by: joejm65 at September 13, 2011 05:38 PM (UZuc4)

Would it help if I clarified a bit and said it's not the actual money that gets her off, but the concept of someone giving her money? In other words, the need to stay relevant and believe people give a shit about her opinions.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 13, 2011 05:41 PM (hUt8E)

Honestly, you people have got to stop getting your panties in a bunch.  Gardasil will be played out.  Then it will come back again, then it will die again.

>>>The RGA, by the way, supports all Republican gubernatorial candidates, so Rick Perry's "piece" of that sweet sweet Crony Capitalism pie is about, what, one 25th of that figure?

Really it is 1/57th, isn't it? We're going to compete for governorships in all 57 states, after all.

And not only was there never shown any corrupt decision-making by Cheney, there was never any mechanism by which he could benefit.

Finally, the stock didn't really show any great pop from all that war-mongering Cheney did after he war-cocked the Towers into rubble.

Posted by: blaster at September 13, 2011 05:42 PM (l5dj7)

Don't do that again. I'm serial.

Would it help if I clarified a bit and said it's not the actual money that gets her off, but the concept of someone giving her money? In other words, the need to stay relevant and believe people give a shit about her opinions.

Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 13, 2011 05:43 PM (TUax9)

And for that she'll do everything in her power to torpedo the GOP in 2012?  So she can be the face of the opposition and draw people to her to satisfy her...whatever?  Nah.

I can top that.

Posted by: Gregor Samsa at September 13, 2011 05:40 PM (QKKT0)

At least your family took care of you afterwards. Not me, though. No! I was always having an "adventure" that had me crossing the Rocky Frickin Mountains! Innoculatin' bastards!!

Hope they all get lockjaw.

But the Palinistas will never admit that their chosen one has warts of her own.

Posted by: zane at September 13, 2011 05:23 PM (96MtQ)

Genital warts too. Should have tried me.

108  Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 13, 2011 05:32 PM (21lBC)

A voice of reason today! Thank you.

The HPV stories are causing a lot of retardation today.

This entire hooha about Merck is simply a distraction for the other losers he is beating.

Still voting for Rick Perry in the Florida Primary. Unless there are photos of Rick dating little boys while wearing a tutu and tiara, count me in the Rick Perry poll, Ace. I am unmoved by the drama.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 13, 2011 05:43 PM (8y9MW)

Yes it is.  You're anti-science!

Excelsior!

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 13, 2011 05:41 PM (hUt8E)

more fats an furious, AND now that the media is so interested in campaign donations maybe they will check out OBAMAS?

ahha ha. yeah i know

Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 13, 2011 05:37 PM (hyUyU)

And somtimes... there are just not enuf rocks...

The SCOAMF-in-Chief could take a lesson from Perry. At least Perry had the good sense to rescind that order, something for which he apologized in last night's debate and Bachmann tastelessly continued to pound him for.

Obama passed his health care monstrosity and won't even talk about putting a single iota of it on the table for consideration, after all his whining about "compromise."

Update: Merck donated $5000 to Perry for his 2010 election, long after he'd dropped the "mandate." So the amount donated prior to this was $23,500.

It is not clear why they continued making their Crony Capitalism payments to him after he dropped support of Gardasil like a hot potato.

For the same reason they donated every other penny, of course - because Texas under Perry has been a hotbed of success and development for all aspects of the health care industry.

Not that that matters for the person who cares so much about Open Government that it forced her right the f*ck from office.

Posted by: Jack

Were you forced to make telephone calls to Jews on election day? That's a clear symptom.

Could we please go after democrats?

Wouldn't it be more fun to go after Indians?
http://tinyurl.com/6dkbd93

Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 13, 2011 05:47 PM (6IV8T)

I'm sticking with whoever gets the nomination.  If Zombie Jeffry Dahmer gets the nod, then it's Zombie Dahmer 2012. Because electing a gay flesh-eating necrophile as POTUS would make me more proud of my country than the SCoaMF currently occupying the office.

An Ace in drag, so to speak.

Nope, not enough fur.

This day is stupider than the day Ace thought Weiner won.

They're all somewhat corrupt. Obama is destroying the country. I'm all for peeing my pants over this shit when a Republican is president. I really hope we do, cause fuck GOP big government.

But to do it right now...?

Posted by: New York Times volunteers who went through 100,000 Palin emails

Nope. Not a bit.

"That's fine, but... Okay, bear in mind Sarah Palin will live by that same standard, too."

ur such a H8er.

ur such a beltway, riiiiiino

Posted by: Johnny at September 13, 2011 05:51 PM (jTasq)

You're already there champ. The Obama cultists want all Evil Corporate money out of politics.

Let me guess, your candidate isn't fit to carry Sarah's purse.

Posted by: ace

Are we really pretending that the word c*unt is not back in action?

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 13, 2011 05:41 PM (hUt8E)

It would take an extra paragraph to get to Sarah in a Solyndra post.

This is all going in the; We should have won 2012 in a goddamn landslide but we lost cause we're a bunch of stupid fuckers, file.

Posted by: Johnny at September 13, 2011 05:51 PM (jTasq)

Horseshit.... please show some evidence that Perry went out and SOLICITED that money?

MERC saw a guy who was putting in TORT reform, which helped THEM.  So they decided to try to keep that guy in office... heck, I bet Perry did not even know those checks, which were in single digits of thousands of dollars per election, were even given to him.... LOTS of people give him money.

I think his debate response was good... 'if you think he could be bought for $5000... that IS an insult...' and this is just a few years of those smaller checks, added together, to make it look bad.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 05:54 PM (nj1bB)

Wanna clarify this 'you guys' stuff?  Most posters on this site have been ripping her a new one for months. 

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 05:54 PM (nj1bB)

@228

Damn Ace. That was nice and needed. If she were in the fray, fine, politics ain't beanbag. But taking pot shots at someone who can beat Obama is unacceptable.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 05:57 PM (F5OMl)

Posted by: Scrutiny at September 13, 2011 06:00 PM (Xm1aB)

---

We'll pick up the slack!

No, Perry isn't a crony capitalist. Sure.  He would never reward campaign contributors.  Never.

Read the Politico article about a contributor named Adams and a company called Terrabon Inc.

Solyndra Texas style.

Are we now saying that getting rich saying things on television is not OK when it's SP?

I just want to update my scorecard.

You're already there champ. The Obama cultists want all Evil Corporate money out of politics.

Posted by: robtr at September 13, 2011 05:54 PM (MtwBb)

Except I don't want corporate money out of politics, I want the government to stop giving handouts to corporations (and unions and any other special interests for that matter). That the only solution to corruption you can think of is identical to the only solution to corruption Obama cultists can think of is quite telling though. Try again dipshit.

228....Anyone but me kind of notice she's gotten quite rich while being the Selfless Martyr of the True Conservative Cause?
___________

*looks up from knitting*

Why yes....I've noticed that too. Mmmhmm. Yes she has.

*resumes knitting sweater which says Ace is my Hero across front*

Posted by: ace

I don't see anyone else being called c*unt. How is that the same treatment?

Posted by: joejm65 at September 13, 2011 06:00 PM (UZuc4)"

Wild guess here, but maybe Ace is talking about Palin's fans who are angered by criticism of Palin that they cheer when given to someone other than Palin.

I'm a fan of both Palin and Perry.   I think Palin needs to ease off the insinuation thing, but she's probably smart enough to do that.  She's also staying relevant.  I imagine she is pleased to do so, and I don't begrudge her that if she can just play fair.

I'm saying stop playing the Millionaire Martyr card.

Stop telling me she's a fucking saint for making shitload of money tossing red meat to people who want some red meat.

OK.  I don't think I'm in that boat.  I like her better now that she's rich.  Not that I want her to get into the race.  She can't win.

brb, updating scorecard

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 05:54 PM (nj1bB)

Well, to be fair to her, she isn't a member of the corrupt legal profession.

When they leave office, they become a partner in a DC law firm and rake in the bucks that way.

That's more cricket, old bean.

That being said...I didn't like it when Rove attacked O'Donnell after the primary and I feel the same way about Palin now. 

If she's going to sit on the sidelines and tease us, I have no problem with that, but when she uses that opportunity to bash Republican candidates, I have no use for her.

Calm down Ricksters!  Pace yourselves!

We havent even gotten to open borders for illegal labor cronyism, the high tech fund cronyism, or the Trans Texas Corridor cronyism, each reeking worse than the one before.

But we will.  If lil 'ol Gardisil reaps this kind of utter hysteria, just imagine the agony when we get to the good stuff.

This was an exploration:  Palin is now inside the Rickysphere's OODA loop and, being able to predict the reaction to a given stimulus before it occurs, traps will be set and perrybots pushed into them. 

Ace, you magnificent bastard, you're invaluable!

Dick Cheney started the War in Iraq "to increase his Halliburton stock value,

So Cheney quit a job where he made ca. $20 MM/yr, with salary, bonus, the value of stock options, etc., to become VP where he could make the big bucks: $200 K/yr. The public vilification from the CPUSA came free, as an added benefit.

Behold liberal financial acumen.

Now when are the Reds going to look into Soros's dealings? That's where influence is being used to generate massive profits, fer cryin' out loud.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 06:05 PM (UOM4

No

Posted by: Truman North, SOB

Because the latter involved deaths. For the former, Obama will simply pretend that he didn't do what we know he did.

Jay Carney just said the the president would be ok if the GOP breaks up the bill.  He would sign it if it's the parts he likes.  Then he would go back out on tour to get public support for the rest.

Yeah, that sounds like a really likely scenario.

Read the Politico article ...

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 13, 2011 06:02 PM (ROFkf)

Nope.

In fact, I think anybody who makes the crony capitalism charge against Perry with this thin gruel is just covering for Obama.

And, yes, that includes Bachmann and Palin.

And sock off.

Posted by: Phoenixgirl at September 13, 2011 05:59 PM (yPn1/)

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 13, 2011 05:20 PM (ROFkf)

after Ace's Castle meltddown, this is what he does. Shit is fucking tiring to say the least

Can we just say:  We got one shot to repeal Obamacare and save the Republic.

One.  Shot.

Are you going to take that shot with Romney or Perry?

Anyone but me kind of notice she's gotten quite rich while being the Selfless Martyr of the True Conservative Cause?

Class envy??  Rush has gotten rich expressing conservative values.  So has Hannity and Beck.  What about Mark Steyn?  Vince Flynn has gotten rich by writing novels with a conservative leaing.  There's nothing wrong with accruing wealth from a marketable item or idea.  It's the American way. 

And please tell me what you think the definition of "conservative cause" is.

Posted by: buzzion at September 13, 2011 06:11 PM (GULKT)

Sarah...Palin?

Can we just say:  We got one shot to repeal Obamacare and save the Republic.

One.  Shot.

Are you going to take that shot with Romney or Perry?

Well of course not.  I'd rather get spanked by fifteen points and nominate a national laughingstock.  Worked in Delaware, didn't it?

Absent that she's no more relevant than Alan Colmes.

I'm not so sure. She is a king-maker and has been instrumental in getting a whole bunch of conservatives elected to state offices in '010. We won, in case anyone's forgotten. More states are red now than in a long, long time, and she helped.

Y'all know I love her like a sister, and me being from Alabama, that really means something. But even I realize she's not electable and can be more effective as a conservative gadfly, stinging the left at every opportunity, which is what we all should be doing IMHO. Ace is just doing his version of fine-tuning the attack.

Aren't we all on the same team? The SCOAMF-in-Chief, his administration and everything he's inflicted upon the country has to be tossed out ASAP. It will take a Republican president and Senate, in addition to additions in the House to save the nation.

Focus, y'all, focus.

Liberals walk into a mansion and think, "How can anyone (besides the Politically-connected of course) live like this?"

Conservatives think, "Everyone should live like this!"

Class envy is ugly.

Yeah, that sounds like a really likely scenario.

So they changed their mind, then.

Posted by: Chuckit at September 13, 2011 06:07 PM (rNmq0)

its not a defense of perry, its an expose' of sarah and her hypocrisy. but i still have to point out that this happened long long ago and she still campaigned for perry last year. where was her outrage then???

Posted by: snookered at September 13, 2011 06:15 PM (0cBMc)

It goes both ways. Last night she did something she hasn't done, as far as I know.  She attacked a Republican.

Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 05:18 PM (brQV4)

You just going to re-post this on every thread until Nov 2012 or what?

the rallying cry of the Perry-Winkle?

"God Save the Status Quo!"

oh, you didn't get that memo?

of course not, and you won't get it until he's in office and it's too late.

Posted by: snookered at September 13, 2011 06:15 PM (0cBMc)

Tell that to Palin before she starts throwing out accusations of crony capitalism with no proof. Oh I forgot, can't criticize Palin, sorry.

Posted by: snookered at September 13, 2011 06:15 PM (0cBMc)

st sarah rescinded that 11th commandment last nite. guess you didnt get your daily talking points on stone tablet

Posted by: poljunkie at September 13, 2011 05:21 PM (XuiJf)

checking...

affirm.  no movement.

Posted by: Truman North, SOB at September 13, 2011 06:18 PM (I2LwF)

Bears repeating.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 06:19 PM (l9zgN)

No he doesn't.

Horseshit.... please show some evidence that Perry went out and SOLICITED that money?

I don't think you understand how this works. You don't go out and solicit that money. That would be illegal. You look at your donations list and pick who you give money or other goodies too. The companies know this, which is why you see a lot of shifts in donations when a new party takes over. I don't need to provide evidence for anything. It should be assumed by default unless proven otherwise. I don't see a lot of conservatives providing evidence the unions and democrats in general have a contract to rip off the public, it's assumed, and for good reason. Strangely though, when Godking Perry does the exact same fucking thing I'm suddenly supposed to have a video of shady interactions between them.

I think his debate response was good... 'if you think he could be bought for $5000... that IS an insult...' and this is just a few years of those smaller checks, added together, to make it look bad.

Posted by: Gump, Forrest Gump at September 13, 2011 05:58 PM (NtXW4)

His response is worthless. It costs him nothing to return favors for political donations because it's not only not illegal if done implicitly, but pretty much expected and standard operating procedure.

Posted by: snookered at September 13, 2011 06:15 PM (0cBMc)

Tell that to Palin before she starts throwing out accusations of crony capitalism with no proof. Oh I forgot, can't criticize Palin, sorry.

Posted by: robtr at September 13, 2011 06:18 PM (MtwBb)

Well, we should tell that to Bachman, too, for making shrill forced-retardation claims against Perry, no?

IMPORANT:

Commentors:  Ace has asked us to obey like, three rules.

One of them is not to use the C word.

Stop it.  It's not funny, it's not creative, and it's not allowed.

Are you going to take that shot with Romney or Perry?

Posted by: Truman North, SOB at September 13, 2011 06:12 PM (I2LwF)

Might want to ask the American People, instead of a few dozen commenters on a blog. They do the deciding.

JackStraw at September 13, 2011 06:21 PM (TMB3S)

Perry sought money from merck??? where's your proof?

Well, we should tell that to Bachman, too, for making shrill forced-retardation claims against Perry, no?

Posted by: joejm65 at September 13, 2011 06:23 PM (UZuc4)

Yeah I've been saying that for last two hours that Bachman is a joke and a dangerous joke at that. He was referring to people attacking Palin though.

Might want to ask the American People, instead of a few dozen commenters on a blog. They do the deciding.

I know.  But the American people aren't here in the room with us.  I was kind of wondering what you think.  You and people like you.  That's the only group of people I can ask.

A quick question for everyone defending Palin over her comment.  What if the roles were reversed?  What if it were Perry on some show, not as a candidate but as a 'maybe I'll run maybe I won't' commentator?  What if Palin was a candidate and at the debate.  And afterwards, as a commentator who may or may not be a candidate, Perry had crticized her and defended another candidate?  Would everyone be okay with that?  Just wondering...

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 06:23 PM (x3YFz)

Wow, you hate Obama and Biden that much, huh?

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 06:26 PM (OhYCU)

fuck no, it's Castle part deux

Oh, brother.

Your defense of Perry here is so hamfisted and whiny that it almost has talked me out of my position that there was no real payoff here.

Stop it.  It's not funny, it's not creative, and it's not allowed.

Posted by: Truman North, SOB at September 13, 2011 06:24 PM (I2LwF)

Why c*n't people understand t*at?

I know.  But the American people aren't here in the room with us.  I was kind of wondering what you think.  You and people like you.  That's the only group of people I can ask.

Posted by: Truman North, SOB at September 13, 2011 06:26 PM (I2LwF)

Well this room isn't that conducive to that kind of thing, what with all the thrash music and slam dancing.

A quick question for everyone defending Palin over her comment.  What if the roles were reversed?  What if it were Perry on some show, not as a candidate but as a 'maybe I'll run maybe I won't' commentator?  What if Palin was a candidate and at the debate.  And afterwards, as a commentator who may or may not be a candidate, Perry had crticized her and defended another candidate?  Would everyone be okay with that?  Just wondering...

Posted by: Deanna at September 13, 2011 06:26 PM (bZvNX)

As far as I can see, nobody defended Sarah.

Posted by: Deanna at September 13, 2011 06:26 PM (bZvNX)

You mean if Perry would have accused Palin of being a criminal with no proof whatsoever? Is that what you are asking?

No that wouldn't be ok and it would remove him from being someone that mattered in my opinion.

Is it safe to come out yet?

Only if you need to pee or get another beer.

  They're all thought to be "big boys" and it's just laughed off.  Palin, however (really, more her supporters, but we blame Obama for what his supporters do, so fair is fair),

Right and wrong.  Many (not all) of Palin's supporters have made her some sort of infallible goddess, but I have not seen but perhaps once, maybe twice where she herself has told her detractors that they're being too mean.  Even Rush has made comments along these lines (especially when someone accuses him of racism).  I don't think we have any idea what it's like to be publically  disparaged as much as outspoken conservatives have been publically disparaged in the media.

As far as Obama is concerned, why do you think SCOAMF has caught on as the AoSHQ password?

I still dont get why you Ricksters care if Sarah is aiming at the ol Cowpoke instead of Obama.

You all keep telling us she's irrelevant, a loser, a quitter, down in the polls, a golddigger and on and on.

Yet this is someone you seem to want so desperately to speak well of your candidate, or at least not criticize him.  Why should you care in the least what such a person says, one way or the other?

Yet you seem to think the only way this evil person could possibly redeem her worthless self is to endorse your guy.

This hysteria is self contradictory, inexplicable and merely foolish UNLESS you IN FACT regard Palin as very much a threat to your man.

If you do, fine, just stop denying it.  If you dont, then shut up.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 06:31 PM (OhYCU)

Hey, the campaigning hasn't even started yet.

At this moment in time, I'm a tepid Perry supporter.  I wish he'd govern as conservative as he campaigns.  The only real issue I can see with him is the amnesty thing, which, by the way, is exactly the same position any of the GOP would take when safely in office. 

If I'm his buddy, I strongly suggest he repudiate his former position immediately.  Use whatever rationale you have to.  Just get off the amnesty side.  The rest of it is nonsense.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 06:26 PM (OhYCU)

Not even close.  Callin' this game for the night/week/month... whatever.  Nothing productive here.

What I am loving the most about Ace's pushback today is that it is disolving one of the most repeated myths of the Palinistas......which is: "If she runs, She wins!"

Palin cannot even win the primary, and she would get shredded in the general.

But conservatives are largely very polite people, and have refrained from voicing their concerns about Palin. They would have likely remained silent, had Palin been content to blast Obama like she did last year.

But no. She has chosen to insert herself into the primary as a self-appointed judge of what a 'true conservative is' in order to cash in on the process. If she had not been playing this little teasing game, how much would she have gotten in donations this year? Not as much.

Mrs. Palin's own behavior has awakened this ire that is directed at her. There are a lot of us who think that 'enough is enough'.

PS to #399

And no one has confronted Obama more forcefully than Palin.  Perry doesnt even register.

I think we should draft Issa for President. Meanwhile, still for Rick Perry with Rubio for VP.

I think Palin would make a much better president than Obama and probably 70% of Americans.

However, she cannot win.  She.  Cannot.  Win.

She needs to stay on TV.

This hysteria is self contradictory, inexplicable and merely foolish UNLESS you IN FACT regard Palin as very much a threat to your man.

If you do, fine, just stop denying it.  If you dont, then shut up.

Posted by: njinfl at September 13, 2011 06:32 PM (M2X9r)

Palin is a threat, not to win an election but of being used as a useful idiot by the press. She is the former republican VP candidate and called a current republican candidate a crimminal on national tv without proof, she just put it out there. Now MSNBC is using Palin as their republican usefull idiot of the day.

Do you understand that?

I think Palin would make a much better president than Obama and probably 70% of Americans.

However, she cannot win.  She.  Cannot.  Win.

She needs to stay on TV.

I say again: the perfect job for her is ... ambassador to the UN.

Put it on PPV and pay down the national debt.

420 >>>The connections between Perry, the RGA and big Texas money are not new. Neither are his other associations. Since most here don't see it as a problem I guess nobody will care when it comes out.

Frankly, I don't a shit unless it turns out Soros is bankrolling him.

Then it's on.

Up until now, I've only lurked; I love the humor and, believe it or not, I do try to read Ace's posts. I like this site for the most part, which is why I feel the need to comment now.

I think Ace and some of the others are starting to lose it with Perry. I've kept up with the posts today, and the only sense I can make of the tone in some of them (and in the comments) is that people are angry over Perry taking some hits, and feel the need to take it out on Palin and Bachmann.

To be clear, I think the Gardasil thing is a non-issue, I do not agree with Bachmann's remarks after the debate, and I think Perry is probably the best candidate we have right now. And I am not a Palinista (though I'm sure I'll be called one anyway); I like her, but I mostly agree with Ace that she's unelectable.

But it's one thing to say that Bachmann's remarks were, shall we say, extremely misinformed and ill-advised, and it's another to call her an "ambitious and egotistical woman," who thinks she can run for President just because she's served a couple of terms in Congress. I haven't heard anyone say that about Cain, for instance.

I don't wish to be nasty; I merely wish to say that if even a sympathetic lurker like myself finds it hard to avoid thinking that this blog is starting to turn into a shill for Perry, that can't be good for its reputation across the Internet. No one has to stop supporting him if they like him, but please be more willing to admit that the man has its flaws, just like all the other candidates.

I think Palin would make a much better president than Obama and probably 70% of Americans.

However, she cannot win.  She.  Cannot.  Win.

She needs to stay on TV.

Posted by: Truman North, SOB at September 13, 2011 06:36 PM (I2LwF)

So what the hell can we do about it?

If she runs, she runs. If she gets votes, she wins.

Shrieking at each other every day about it for a solid year does Nothing.

What I am loving the most about Ace's pushback today is that it is disolving one of the most repeated myths of the Palinistas......which is: "If she runs, She wins!"

Palin cannot even win the primary, and she would get shredded in the general.

But conservatives are largely very polite people, and have refrained from voicing their concerns about Palin.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 06:33 PM (mwfMy)

It seems like about three out of every four QOTD's over at Hot Air since the '08 election have been about Sarah Palin.  That is a slight exaggeration, but it was all Sarah, all the time, for quite a long time.  Maybe people here have refrained from voicing their concerns about SP (kidding), but she's been through the grinder on a regular basis at the other site for well over two years.  The debate over here has been fun in a 'better late than never' sense, but a lot of old news is being rehashed.  The vaccination thingy is new, but the divide over Sarah Palin has been festering for a long, long time.   

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 06:23 PM (x3YFz)

yes, i hate them all, they all have the stench on them, including Paul.

what stench?

the stench of the Status Quo, they're all freakin' married to it.

our Ruling Class is asleep at the wheel, we are hurtling towards the abyss, yet not one of them can bare to step out from under Uncle Sam's coattails, not one of them has the balls to stand and stand firm where the Founders stood, cowards, liars and crooks that's all we have to choose from, and that upsets me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 13, 2011 06:41 PM (8y9MW)

Good thing we've been doing it every day for a year to keep in practice.

335.........How about remembering the 11th commandment?

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That's the thing.....Palin came right out and dismissed Reagan's 11th, last night on Greta's show. She mentioned it, then dismissed it as applying to her.

She attacked Perry in the same segment.

So that is pretty much what has kicked off this pushback today.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 06:23 PM (x3YFz)

Pent up?

I was hoping for some Penting these last 9 months or so.

That's the thing.....Palin came right out and dismissed Reagan's 11th, last night on Greta's show. She mentioned it, then dismissed it as applying to her.

She attacked Perry in the same segment.

So that is pretty much what has kicked off this pushback today.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 06:47 PM (mwfMy)

So what triggered the ones last week?

I think Palin would make a much better president than Obama and probably 70% of Americans.

Hell, my golden retriever would be a much better President than Obama. He has papers proving he's an American, he's more lovable, more intelligent, and he's probably got better breath.

Max 2012!

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 06:43 PM (OhYCU)

Christie didn't start the drama, the media (blogs included) did most of it.  Same thing goes for Palin.

#409

Dont want the endorsement?  Good, now were getting somewhere.  At least for you, we can put that one to bed.

It'll hurt him in the general?  Oh OK, I get it now.  Its not that she's not important or influential, its that her influence is Negative and Bad.  She cant Help, but only Hurt.

That's got to be a revelation, because before last night all Ricksters, from the Man on down, were just short of begging for the endorsement.

Gee, what changed?

And so, in a fashion you can reconcile emotionally, you're also giving up the meme that she doesnt matter.  Ace is going to be upset with you!  Of couse, he's in the same boat.

See what I mean about being in that OODA loop?

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2011 06:33 PM "

But you are usually so reliable....

Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 06:35 PM "

This!

That's a stupid question. Possibly two. Try these two instead:

#1) "How'd he come up with this shit?"

The idea of forcing every insurance company in the state to give Merck a giant pile of money (or be destroyed) has a provenance. And it's not mysterious, is it? Is it?

#2) "Would he do it for you?"

Would he force every company doing you-related business in the state to give you a giant pile of money (or be destroyed)? Could you, random bastard, deliver him a best-interest-of-the-state pitch that would make him consider it? Could you get in and pitch him anything? No.

So, if you wanted to get in—say you had the killer product and the undeniable pitch ready—how would you get in? What would you do?

What Merck did.

Which was...

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2011 06:54 PM (fyOgS)

Me too.  What's been happening today on AoSHQ reminds of an argument I saw once between two Frenchmen.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2011 06:33 PM "

But you are usually so reliable....

Posted by: Nistas at September 13, 2011 06:53 PM"

I WAS WRONG.  GOT YOU CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE ELSE.  SORRY!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 13, 2011 06:59 PM (eOXTH)

And Michelle.  No telling what she was vaccinted for.

453......So what triggered the ones last week?
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You did. It's all your fault.

No seriously, WTF? If you weren't paying attention last week, then read back and see for yourself. I was replying to a question about "What about the 11th Ammendment?".

These outbursts of pushback are usually triggered by something that Palin herself has said or her followers have done, to trigger them.

"Don't want nuthin? Don't start nuthin"....are words to live by.

436 "the man has its flaws"

Ack. "his," not "its," obviously. Idiot me.

406

Well said.

I remember upon hearing that John McCain had selected Palin as his running mate, my reaction was "Who?"  "What?".

Then I heard the basics.  She was 44 and relatively inexperienced.  My stomach began to churn.  The night she gave her speech at the convention I was elated.  She was superb.  I felt tremendous relief and excitement.

Then the media character assassination squad was dispatched.  She gave troubling answers to some of the questions, but any urge I had to be critical of her performance was restrained by a disgust for a bunch of Obama sycophants posing as objective journalists.  Indeed she was treated unfairly during that campaign.  I'll maintain that to this day.  I suspect most conservative critics of hers now would as well.

But the fact that the press, vulgar late night comedians, elitists, and liberals in general, have at times been vile toward here, she should not be immune from legitimate criticism for what she alone has been responsible for.

The reasons given for her 1/2 term departure as Gov. don't wash.  Sure she was subjected to frivolous lawsuits.  Yes her legal defense fund was declared unlawful.  But the reason being was because of the word "official" in it's name.  After she returned the money to donors she could have simply renamed and reestablished it.  The worst possible thing to do is communicate the message that a duly elected official can be driven from office by frivolous lawsuits. 

But let's say we grant that leaving office was the proper thing to do.  Then what?  Well for starters, spend the next couple of years boning up on domestic and foreign policy.  STAY OUT of the media limelight.  Come back in 2010 and reintroduce yourself to America on the talk show circuit.  Give substanative detailed answers to questions.  Americans love a comeback story.  Many people would have seriously reconsidered her.  She very well have become a serious contender for President.

What we got instead were two book tours and a reality show.  Everything was designed to appeal to a core base of supporters that she already had.  Facebook and twitter responses to just about every crass comment made toward her by media/entertainment bozos.

And now we come to the endless strip tease.  The "will I or won't I" run game.  Whether it is a fair assessment or not, it has all the marking of an endless diva performance, that is enabled by a core group of followers who often go berserk at the slightest substanative criticism of her as a personal attack from establishment bluebloods.

Michelle Bachmann has made some pretty bad gaffes during her campaign, but I'll give her this, she made her intentions known early and participated in the debates.  She didn't deserve the distraction of an undeclared candidate who we are led to believe is beyond reproach.  Mitt Romney didn't deserve to have his announcement speech overshadowed by Sarah's magical bus tour in New Hampshire.  Rick Perry did not deserve to be subjected to allusions of crony capitalism by someone he couldn't respond to....because after all...she isn't even a candidate, is she?

That's a stupid question. Possibly two. Try these two instead:

#1) "How'd he come up with this shit?"

How'd he come up with the idea of a vaccine requirement (with an opt-out clause) as a condition for attending public schools?  Similar to what states have been doing for decades already?  Gee, I don't know where he possibly could've come up with the idea.

#2) "Would he do it for you?"

482

She's undefeated! 

Steevy,

I really enjoy your reminders that "Obama is a SCoaMF"...in longform. Your timing is always impeccable. Please don't ever stop.

And....that's my main big deal too: I want to beat Obama.

483

Yes she has been vetted, and the results are in.  A significant majority of the electorate does not support her, and has not supported her, for quite some time.  It is what it is.

_{Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 07:31 PM (vzFJV)}

Yeah. My way is kinda pussy, now that I think about it.

We are fools if we push Perry as the nom. Fools. He won't win against the obozo.

@ 504,

You're an idiot. 

Anyone who is sick of Grizzlycuda's shit is a Perry fanboy?  You're an idiot - very few people here care who the nominee ends up being.  Beating Obama is Job One.

Except for Hockeycudagrizzlymom.  And you pointed it out nicely -

"So long as her commentary draws eyeballs to Fox News or any other media outlet, she will get airtime to say whatever the hell she wants. "

It's the Sarah Palin show.  That's all that matters.  And what draws attention for the attention whore?  Attacking Obama?  Nah, already done that, plus everyone else is doing it too.

Attack the Republican frontrunner - that's what will give us our best shot at beating Obama me the attention and money I crave like a crack whore craves that rock.

If she had decided to run a year ago, I probably would be in her corner.  She's just another grifter willing to sell us all out for another book or TV show.  Fuck her and fuck you, too.

@ 506,

And this dickwhistler is crowing about the fact that she's shitting the bed. 

#481

Well, thank you sir, I'm rather gratified by your negative endorsement.

That's because you and the rest of the RickCult are a bunch of raving loons who want to blame everyone else for their now obvious poor judgment.

Your man is greasy, so deal with it.

The conduct of the PerryCult suggests its not particularly interested in building bridges, so its a joke for one of you to lay that charge off on anyone else.

Sarah is much more mentally agile than the slow-witted Perry (who isnt?) and she's already inside his turn. 

OODA.

#504

Before restoring Perry's electoral health in '10, Sarah requested to know of Perry if he intended to serve out his term.

He assured her he had no other interests.  He lied.

Sarah no likey.

Now da bitch is gonna pay.

Posted by: njinfl at September 13, 2011 08:35 PM (M2X9r)

thats the funniest damn thing on this thread! st sarah upset that someone is leaving their office before the term is up??  at least its for a promotion. the voters dont mind that. never have. its history bub, check it out!

so can some 'nista tell if this qualifies as crony capitalism? it seems kinda shady

http://tinyurl.com/6le3hkq

#521

I was curious to see when I posted which half-wits would miss the point.

You win!

Its not the leaving, its the lying.  Sarah lied to no one and resigned the governorship for reasons known by all.

Agree with it or dont, that's up to you.

But Rick's double back, I expect, lined him up in Sarah's mind as another greasy pol akin to those who sickened her in AK and made him the same kind of fair game.  No I'm not Sarah's brain, just my educated deduction.

Maybe this will help you feel better:  Noted Palin operative Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC just did a feature PRAISING ol' Rick for being PRO-AMNESTY  and a DREAM-acter.

Just goes to show that Palin will stop at nothing, using her stooges at MSNBC to discredit the ol Cowpoke with the base,

Right?

Perry all but admitted he can be bought if the price is high enough.

Instead of getting mad at those asking questions... why not vet the guy properly?

One answer about Perry I'd like answered: 

What did Rove promise Perry that got him to switch parties so fast after his hero Gore lost in 88? 

Next in line for Texas Gov.?  That must be Perry's price to switch parties.  Must be the going rate.

Over night he ditched all his liberal views and became a conservative Republican.  If you believer he cares one wit for conservative principles we are in big trouble.

Perry is a conservative, because that is how you get power in Texas.  After he gets power in DC he will be for sale to the highest bidder.

Perry is so obviously corrupt it is only a matter of time, keep digging, we will find out just how corrupt someday.  It is better we find out before he becomes the nominee, than after.

Keep looking please.

Posted by: njinfl at September 13, 2011 09:38 PM (M2X9r)

your a lame ass nista ankle biter. show me any politician who had to pay a price for running for a higher/different office while still in office. your sainted sarah didnt quit while she was running for vp. she waited till she had tv contracts signed.

as for sarah thinking perry is "another greasy pol" you do realize she just campaigned for him less than a year ago?? your a fucking moron!! she had no crony issues then!! she's a two faced money chasing whore.

Posted by: petunia at September 13, 2011 09:51 PM (hgrmi)

what liberal views did perry ditch? you mean like his pro life stance? and you twisting his words to make it sound like he admitted he can be bought means nothing. how 'bout sarah explain that transcanada pipeline. giving them 500million subsidy?? she really showed what a fighter she was in that deal!!

529

Chas:

Its not a question of what liberal views Perry has ditched, its rather a question of what faux conservative views he has adopted in order not to look like the fucking RINO he is.

Its sad to see Ace become a cheap pitchman for the RINOs, and he doesn't even odffer a free steak knife.

Posted by: Buddy Roemer at September 13, 2011 07:35 PM (nQR0p)

It's very sad, isn't it?  Buddy was a Congressman and full-term governor.  A brilliant man who deserved one chance to debate.  He went out and campaigned trying to get attention as a DECLARED candidate and was ignored.  Meanwhile we have a half term Gov. who still isn't sure if she wants to run, sapping up media attention. 

Luntz results demonstrate Ace's opinions are worth an Ace opinion.  Reflecting the desires of the rank and file voter, not so much.

Perry and Romney are self serving liars.  Ambition combined with a giant ego doesn't serve anyone.  These two frauds say one thing and then act like Czars.  They are the same as Obama, destroying individual liberties when they think it is in the public good.  For their supporters serve as an example why our liberties are vanishing.

Both of them misrepresented and lied about their illegal immigration positions.  Romney demonstrated he thinks Social Security is a viable option which should immediately disqualify him in the eyes of any sane individual.  But those that question the trampling of individual rights are characterized by some here as on the crazy train.

Those who support the abridgement of our rights, who advocate for candidates who initiate such policies are the character members of the crazy train and merit the respect they deserve.

Which candidates respect you and your rights?  Which candidates see you as serfs to be dictated to?  If you vote for a candidate who has demonstrated his contempt for individual rights you cannot support the Constitution.  You cannot complain about the infringement of your rights.  So choose wisely.