1 Well. . .do the Democrats even HAVE a budget yet?
Or are they just going to be AWOL again, like they were last year?

2 That's a step in the right direction, but that step happened to wind up in #2.

That's about it.

3 But hey, get out there and vote R. Broken glass!

4 Ass tastic

5 Billion, trillion.  I keep getting those mixed up.

6

But Ace, the cuts will produce an 8% appropriations baseline regressionary spending limit that can only be reduced by forward-leaning spending high appropriations in an odd year budget.

Project these cuts into the future with a 6.2% annual growth in GDP and combine that with a 4.1% drop in the annual configuration of the Consumer Price Index level-indexing for all expenditures for the next 6 years, and the budget will be completely gone around 2042.

7

I dunno why you're so upset. This is the big fight!

It's a big huge fight! They'll probably lose it, or else some backroom douchebag on the appropriations committee will game it down $11.47, but dammit it, it's a big fight!

Surely now you can see why it was so important to fold like a lawn chair on FY2011 and probably also the borrowing limit.

Muslims. MOOSLIMS! OOOGABOOGA! Goat farmers in the desert who live in houses made out of literal shit-bricks are out the getcha! Don't you love America?

Why do you want the terrorists to win, Ace?

8 There go those mean old Republicans cutting school lunches again. What about the chiiiiildreeennn??

9 There's so much double-speak going on, I srsly cannot keep any of this straight any longer.

Wake me when they start eliminating agencies and programs or when they make real across the board cuts of 10% or more. 

10 Guys, guys, guys. We have to compromise a little on this budget, so that we can get the goodwill to really man the barricades for the next fight. Just wait til 2013! The Dems won't know what hit 'em!

11

Boehner has caved on his promise demand of not too long ago for agency-by-agency budgets. Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. Don't like the optics.

12
Wake me when they start eliminating agencies and programs or when they make real across the board cuts of 10% or more. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 12, 2011 03:45 PM (pW2o

But.......Unemployment is high because of all the Government layoffs!!!!

JEF told me so....Isn't that enough?

  

13 So now Republicans are proud of attempting to simply cut the rate of growth?  Nice.

14
Sacrifice.

It doesn't mean what it used to mean.

15

Boehner has caved on his promise demand of not too long ago for agency-by-agency budgets. Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. Don't like the optics.

Posted by: Its Morning in the Pension Fund of America at May 12, 2011 03:45 PM (K/USr)

Because he found out that he'd actually have to WORK if that were the case.

He'd much rather keep on with the Copy/Paste budgeting method.  It's much easier that way.

16 Stupid question from an ig'nant moron:  Is this based on the GOP 2012 budget or on JEF's 2012 DOA Fantasy Island Wishcasting?

17 damn sock.

18 Weakest Speaker of the House in a long, long time. That's what the tea partiers got for agreeing to play ball with Republicans. Hey tea partiers, lets try plan B, shall we?

19 Another bottle will be consumed by yours truly tonight.  I am single-handedly staving off California's bankruptcy by all the liquor and cigarette tax they're getting from me.

20 I read that article and found only references to billions; not trillions. How are these "major cuts"?

I know this isn't a good day to discuss anyone with 'Pau'l in their last name but we need more Rand Pauls. He seems to be the only one that gets it.

21 5 Billion, trillion.  I keep getting those mixed up.

Posted by: John Boner, White Flag Republican at May 12, 2011 03:42 PM (QKKT0)

What comes after trillion?  I think I might need to know.

22 Speaking of major cuts, I'm about to have surgery on my hang nail.

23 Were we deficit spending in '04?
Because if we were, I'd be willing to bet that revenues haven't increased proportionally since that time when the economy was rolling along pretty well IIRC.  

24 Wait, they are only cutting (well proposing) 45 billion in cuts net year?

I thought the $32 billion that never happened was only on the pro-rated part of FY11. Now they have a full year's budget and their starting point is a measly $45 billion?

Oh for fucks sake.

25 Uh oh. Sounds like more vital service cuts.

26 Wake me when they start eliminating agencies and programs or when they make real across the board cuts of 10% or more.

Bingo. I think our opening bid on raising the debt ceiling should be asking Barry whether he wants to lose Education, Agriculture or Energy.

27 Forget it, Jake.

It's Politico.

28 Yeah, I am confused.  Does the total budget end up being bigger and smaller than the last budget from the pre-Spendapalooza Got To Abandon Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market era? 

29 These numbers do not compute.  Cuts which are smaller than the interest on the debt somehow bring us back to a 2006 budget?  I declare shenanigans.

30 What does Nicole D. Lamoureux have to say about this?

31 Posted by: Assistant Night Shift Knob Polisher at the Federal Door Museum at May 12, 2011 03:50 PM (fsGgs)

You're hired!

32

I am single-handedly staving off California's bankruptcy by all the liquor and cigarette tax they're getting from me.

Not that it will make a bit of differance when the death panels find out about all that anti-social behavior like drinking and smoking. If you don't shape up they're going to reconsider your usefullness as a revenue source.

33 Bingo. I think our opening bid on raising the debt ceiling should be asking Barry whether he wants to lose Education, Agriculture or Energy.

Education first.  That's simply not a federal issue. 

34 While they're at it they should cut the WH budget down to hamburger helper and Dead Poets.

35 So, do military personnel that have busted ass and have reached the honorable rank of Major feel slighted that they're demeaning the word 'major' in such a despicable manner?

36 The Republican leadership?

In the butt baby!

37 Thank God -- I'm not the only gay Republican in Congress anymore.

38 Speaking of major cuts, I have to go to the hairdresser.

39 I guess you h8rs have forgotten the dark days of 2006, when anarchy ruled the land and homeless urchins fought to the death over scraps of moldy bread for the entertainment of monacled robber-barons.

40
Call me crazy but if we only cut $45B from the budget, won't we need another increase in the debt limit, say, nine months from now, if revenues don't increase dramatically?

41 I'm so relieved that I'm not the only one who's confused by wtf they're up to. 

Where's M80sB when you need her?  She's the only one who seems to understand this stuff.

42 Hey you know who has been saying this for years?

43 I am single-handedly staving off California's bankruptcy by all the liquor and cigarette tax they're getting from me.

Please stop.  Let that buttcrack of a state fail and just go away.

Maybe the new state of MexicanArizona will annex it and become a small country.

44 Where's M80sB when you need her?

Let's clone her too while we're at it. Future of our country depends on it.

45

The pro-rated portion of the FY11 budget forms the appropration indexing long-term guidelines upon which all future spending allocations have their non-appropriations funding levels appropriated.

The cuts in the FY12 budget meet the FY06 budget level guidelines because they are only released under conditions set out in the FY05-FY07 guidelines to be indexed when appropriations levels drop below legally required levels.

46 Dont blame me.  I voted for Kodos.

47 Hey you know who has been saying this for years?

Posted by: I'll Give You One Guess at May 12, 2011 03:53 PM (l3KRy)

My dad?  I agree with Obama on this, let's not get distracted by carnival barkers.

You want major cuts?  I'll make Nancy Pelosi's plastic surgeon look like a rank amateur.

48 If they're closer to the '04 Appropriations bills, then I'm incredibly happy with that. It's ridiculous that the conference didn't agree to this in the first place, but better late than never.

49 You're hired!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 12, 2011 03:51 PM (1fanL)

LOFnL

50 No, it is even worse:

The total cut from all ObamaÂ’s 2012 budget requests is estimated to be as high as $121.6 billion.

It is once again NOT a cut. Watch this carefully but keep in mind this is "Demlitoco" a Dem PR site.

This 2012 actual budget (not proposed) and the debt limit vote will be the make or break for me onthe Republican Party.

51 Posted by: Paper at May 12, 2011 03:54 PM (VoSja)

Well that was clear as mud.

52 @48
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice...

Hey, you're here!  It worked!  ;-)

53 Please stop.  Let that buttcrack of a state fail and just go away.

Maybe the new state of MexicanArizona will annex it and become a small country.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 12, 2011 03:54 PM (UK9cE)

I stayed behind to defend it from the invading hordes.  It's lonely work, but someone has to at least try!

54 Let's clone her too while we're at it. Future of our country depends on it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 12, 2011 03:54 PM (pLTLS)

An M8osB in every basement!

55
Cut me, Mick!

^{_{(cuz Congress won't)}}

56

#51

My last two posts were just jibberish. I'm just linking together nonsense I've heard in the last two months.

I believe none of any of this. The entire system is bullshit.

57 Don't worry, the Republicans will get serious on the 2013 budget. Pinky swear.

58

The pro-rated portion of the FY11 budget forms the appropration indexing long-term guidelines upon which all future spending allocations have their non-appropriations funding levels appropriated.

The cuts in the FY12 budget meet the FY06 budget level guidelines because they are only released under conditions set out in the FY05-FY07 guidelines to be indexed when appropriations levels drop below legally required levels.

Of COURSE!

It's all so obvious now.

59 Just this morning I was hoping that someone would grab the controls and pull up on this nose diving plane just enough so that we crash a few moments later.  (just long enough for Obama to escape out of office.)

"VOTE OBAMA 2012!!!

At this point I wonder if we should just leave Dems alone because otherwise this crash is going to happen during the next probably republican admin who will get in too late to pull up in time.  Guess who history will blame for it?  Mr social justice? No.. republicans."

Anyway that's my *Obama 2012* bumper sticker.


Here is my frustration with American conservatives: its been clear since at least the 70's the left was making a full on invasion of American institutions Media, Legal, Academic, Education, Govt Bureaucracy etc.. yet you all focused only on the White House and sometimes Congress while surrendering on all those other things.  Leftists plans were never to take over the White House last but by so doing they managed to be like a cancerious tumor on Americas brain that now that after expanding in every direction has now poked its head above the skin and now everyone is freaking out?   The time to freakout was 30-40 years ago when the doctor kept telling you those awful headaches were because you had mother f'ing tumor in your mother f'ing brain.

60 1 Well. . .do the Democrats even HAVE a budget yet?
Or are they just going to be AWOL again, like they were last year?

Senate Budget Comm. Chairman Kent Conrad finally released his the other day.

61 And I just saw at Hot Air they are giving up on agency by agency budgeting.

Fuck them all.

62 Please stop.  Let that buttcrack of a state fail and just go away.

Where are you, Lex Luthor, now that we need you the most?

63

My last two posts were just jibberish. I'm just linking together nonsense I've heard in the last two months.

I believe none of any of this. The entire system is bullshit.

Posted by: Paper at May 12, 2011 03:57 PM (VoSja)

Phew...thank God!  It really did sound like some DC speak explanation.

64

I stayed behind to defend it from the invading hordes.  It's lonely work, but someone has to at least try!

Posted by: kathysaysso tilting at windmills at May 12, 2011 03:56 PM (ZtwUX)

But seriously,  why?  It really offers nothing at this point and hasn't for years.

65 So they can't even get the Porkulus (permanent stimulus) off the budget?

66 these pussies should just cue up some Chris Christie. Damn, cut EVERYTHING. What doesn't our leadership understand. Oh right, we're a soup-kitchen nation in which every $ of government spending is directly related to how many ordinary, hardworking citizens (tm) can stay out of their graves that day. right. Fuck it, go full villian, republicans, the left pretty much only has one switch in their brains: "republicans want to kill everyone" or "we appreciate that these brain dead republicans puts down their bibles and guns long enough to admit that we're right."

67 Am I confused or deceived? Is this part of $100 billion previously promised or is this the total cuts for the $1.6 Trillion in deficit next year?  Surely, it can't be the latter.

Shirley?  anyone?

68 Posted by: DrewM. at May 12, 2011 03:58 PM (dXPup)

Will you please tweet that it's good to see Keefum's new show keeps the white power mantra with his new lineup?

You KNOW he'll see it.

69

My last two posts were just jibberish. I'm just linking together nonsense I've heard in the last two months.

I believe none of any of this. The entire system is bullshit.

Posted by: Paper at May 12, 2011 03:57 PM (VoSja) 

---

Phew...thank God!  It really did sound like some DC speak explanation.

--

I feel kinda proud of myself.  I knew it was garbage.  I guess those years of grading papers weren't a complete waste!

70 2006 levels?  Hell, I want it rolled back to pre-William Taft levels.

71 Will you please tweet that it's good to see Keefum's new show keeps the white power mantra with his new lineup?

You KNOW he'll see it.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 12, 2011 03:59 PM (UK9cE)

Belay that!  Remember, no punching down.

72 I'm really starting to realize that everyone in our government thinks that we're really fucking stupid.

Cutting items from a proposed budget does NOTHING.  You need to start with the previous budget and cut from THAT to realize any actual savings, you fuckbuckets.

73 believe none of any of this. The entire system is bullshit. Posted by: Paper at May 12, 2011 03:57 PM (VoSja) Dude, well played! You have successfully groked the Beltway speak that is the Jedi Mind Trick. That read like an extract from a Congressional website. However, Nicole D. Lamoreux is not amused.

74 MexicanArizona.

Um, I believe the proper name is Mexizona.

75 >>Belay that!  Remember, no punching down.


You have to punch down to hit 'em in the nuts.

76 MexicanArizona.

Um, I believe the proper name is Mexizona.

Posted by: dogfish at May 12, 2011 04:02 PM (N2yhW)

Yeah, sorry about that.

I was so confused with the 58 states that already exist and all. 

 

77

The good news is, we got Osama. Right?

If it kills us along with him, we still got him!

I mean he's an evil son of a bitch who deserved to die slow, international law is a total fiction, Pakistan deserves less stealth helicopters and more stealth bombers, and Ron Paul is bug-eyed crazy and possibly a jew hater, but that dude would actually balance the budget.

Was the likelyhood of Osama killing you greater than 100%? Because that's the likelyhood of Obama selling your children to China.

Before all is said and done make no mistake that our fiscal recklessness WILL result in the deaths of not thousands but millions of Americans to crushing povery and government regulatory malfeasance. That's not to mention those killed by foreign threats, cuz we aren't going to have any more billion dollar smart bombs. Bankruptcy means military cuts.

BTW. The likelyhood of Osama killing you is .0000000000000000000000001% Put it in the mirror and it's called WINNING, Boehner style.

78 ...and the others are,

Mexifornia
Mexas
and well, New Mexico.

79 You will NOT cut any funding for the National Horse Association. Millions of jobs rely upon this, as Nicole D. Lamoreux, former CEO of NHA, can attest. Nicole D. Lamoreux has spoken.

80 If it's really rolling things back to 2006, then it's a much larger cut.

But I think it's just rolling some things back to 2006, and not others.  I also think the 2012 budget will be a net increase over 2011.

81 Why haven't they tackled the federal mandates put on states like school breakfasts?

82 Nicole D. Lamoreux calls New Mexico "Blue Mexico."

83 Um, I believe the proper name is Mexizona.

Posted by: dogfish at May 12, 2011 04:02 PM (N2yhW)

Aztlan, gringo!

84 Appropriation request for 2004= $2.23 trillion

85

cheap theatrical bullshit

they think we're idiots

Guy Fawkes was onto something

86

BTW. The likelyhood of Osama killing you is .0000000000000000000000001% Put it in the mirror and it's called WINNING, Boehner style.

Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2011 04:03 PM (IsLT6)

Well, for one thing, I think your numbers are off considering a dead man kills no one.

2nd, Ron Paul will NOT balance the budget. 


 

87 What happened to the "trillions" Boehner vowed to cut?  Did I miss something?

88 Appropriation request for 2004= $2.23 trillion

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 12, 2011 04:05 PM (P+zzG)

Don't you remember when all the poor people died of starvation that year?

89

@2: "That's a step in the right direction, but that step happened to wind up in #2."

Step?  I think you're being overly generous.  It doesn't even rate a shuffle.

90 And Obama says: "Stupid private sector, hire more people! What do you think we let you do business for!"

Crotch-sniffing dick-licking fuckstick. And I'm holding back on my insults because I'm being respectful to the office.

91 I'm officially an anti-government dissident now

92

Don't you remember when all the poor people died of starvation that year?

Posted by: Grisly Gristly Head of JFK's Brother at May 12, 2011 04:07 PM (1fanL)

The what happened to who?

93 I believe Nicole D. Lamoureux has a petition going for a superstate called Mexicalizona.

It will feature Nicole D. Lamoureux Free Horse Clinics in every town.

94 They are cutting more from the Obama's budget request than originally intended, not less.

95 I promised not to open fire on any rallys tomorrow. I didn't say anything about not using poison gas, though.

96 Crotch-sniffing dick-licking fuckstick.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 12, 2011 04:07 PM (bxiXv)

He's hired!

97 Picking up where AprilÂ’s budget agreement left off, House Republicans outlined plans Wednesday to cut another $45.7 billion from domestic spending and foreign aid next year Federal expenditures in budget for 2011, estimated: $3.82 trillion in 2012, estimated: $3.792 trillion If you're going to masturbate, at least use some lotion.

98

The what happened to who?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at May 12, 2011 04:08 PM (bxiXv)

Get a pair of bi-focals you piece of shit.


 

99 What happened to the "trillions" Boehner vowed to cut? Did I miss something? Credibility.

100
We have to fold on the 2011 budget so we can focus on the debt ceiling.
We have to fold on the debt ceiling so we can focus on the 2012 budget.
We have to fold on the 2012 budget so we can focus on the Ryan Plan.
We have to fold on the Ryan Plan because it's time for the 2012 election,

Repeat forever....

101 89 What happened to the "trillions" Boehner vowed to cut?  Did I miss something?

That's for the debt ceiling. What Rogers is doing is allocating according to the FY '12 budget, and he cut more. This is what RSC did in their 1st yr.

102 I'd like to see the difference in fuel budgeting for AF1 since "04, now that Barky has converted it to Air Alinsky.

103 This draconian level of cuts will not stand, not as long as Nicole D. Lamoureux has a TV show with Nicole D. Lamoureux's close friend Mr. Olbermann. Nicole D. Lamoureux will not rest until every citizen in Nicole D. Lamoureux's country listens to what Nicole D. Lamoureux has to say.

104

I mean he's an evil son of a bitch who deserved to die slow, international law is a total fiction, Pakistan deserves less stealth helicopters and more stealth bombers, and Ron Paul is bug-eyed crazy and possibly a jew hater, but that dude would actually balance the budget.

Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2011 04:03 PM (IsLT6)

Oh, fucking bullshit, dumbass. The President can influence the process, but he can hide under a potted plant and refuse to come out until doomsday, Congress still sets the budget.

And Paul's ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE HISTORY reads EARMARKS, EARMARKS, EARMARKS, no matter what he SAYS to the crowd.

105 You know those coupons whose cash value is 1/1000th of a cent?  We're going to cut trillions of those.

106 Boehner and McConnell clearly don't want any of those icky teabaggers showing up at the polls next November.

107

I'm trying to follow this.

We were supposed to accept the Ryan budget because is didn't really cut much spending now, but we would balance everything out in the future with the Medicare cuts.

Now the Republicans have given up on Medicare cuts, so the Republicans are going to keep the budget baselines that weren't supposed to really balance the budget (again Medicare, Ryan, whatever) but just reduce those totals by another $45 billion.

108 We have to fold on the 2011 budget so we can focus on the debt ceiling.
We have to fold on the debt ceiling so we can focus on the 2012 budget.
We have to fold on the 2012 budget so we can focus on the Ryan Plan.
We have to fold on the Ryan Plan because it's time for the 2012 election,

Repeat forever....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 12, 2011 04:10 PM (M8E6y)

 

Is it time to start the burning yet?

109

What happened to the "trillions" Boehner vowed to cut?  Did I miss something?

The entire discretionary budget is about one trillion.  The "trillions" refers to cuts over a 10 year period.

I'm not sure what you guys expect considering that the Dems hold the Senate and White House.  They could propose $45 zillion in cuts, but it won't make any difference in the final result.

110

Is it time to start the burning yet?

Posted by: Trashcan Man at May 12, 2011 04:13 PM (CRAJ6)

No, but it does seem to be about time to fill the bottles with gas and stuff rags in the necks.

111 Hey, here's a hill to die upon! Naw, just kidding.

112 113 They're keeping their powder dry, because this is not the hill to die upon which to die.

Posted by: The Guy Who Knows the Difference Between They're and Their at May 12, 2011 04:13 PM (IhHdM)

FIFY.

113 M80sB,  If you know any of the folks on the Hill, you might suggest to them that they hire an ad firm or something.  They need diagrams.  Attractive, but simply diagrams. 

I honestly can't keep any of this crap straight and I'm a data-oriented person.  But there's so much jargon and so many numbers floating around, I cannot tell if they're making any real progress.

That's why I still prefer cutting programs and across the board budget cuts.  At least to get us started.  See?  We can live without PBS. The world has not come to an end (and, in fact, I'm sure private philanthropy would pick up the slack in their budget cuts). 

Any program or agency should be able to cut 10% right off the top. 

Other programs should take deeper cuts or be eliminated altogether. 

114 Posted by: The Guy Whio Knows to Not End Sentences with Prepositions

ahem

115 Once again demonstrating how the sobriquet "morons" came to be popular . . .

Not only do few here show ANY sign of being cognizant of reality, you are mostly a bunch of whiny bitches who squeal like stuck pigs every time some bit of news that every single thing isn't going exactly according to your personal desires comes out.

Get a box of tissues, sisters, and sit back and let the adults get some real work done, mmmkay?

116 Other programs should take deeper cuts or be eliminated altogether. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 12, 2011 04:16 PM (pW2o

 

*cough* EPA *cough* 

117 19 Another bottle will be consumed by yours truly tonight.  I am single-handedly staving off California's bankruptcy by all the liquor and cigarette tax they're getting from me.

Same here kathy. Yep. Doin' my part. Cigar taxes though...

$45.7 Billion. It's truly a joke. Why, that's just slightly less than 2 years of  budget deficits here.

118 He was talking about billions of years into the future.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at May 12, 2011 04:11 PM (G/MYk)

Heh. Our Toro equipment under warranty is serviced by a company called Century Equipment. The joke is that it's called Century because that's how long  it takes for them to fix the fucking things.

Sorry for the derail, back to the topic.

119 okay, maybe I will be a bit of a dissenter here, but I don't like this part:

"Indeed, among the dozen annual spending bills, only the Pentagon’s would grow—a $17 billion increase that brings the total to $530 billion, just $8.9 billion less than the president’s 2012 request."

if we are truly boned, then I don't think any department should get a raise, not even the Pentagon.  at the very most, their budget should be frozen.  but no increases.

120 The good news is, we got Osama. Right?




I hope the Seals remembered to take the cash from his wallet.  We might need it.

121 Crist/Bloomberg 2012 - Because the GOP needs to be put out of it's misery.

122 Guys like Monty are correct. There is no political will to cut the spending as required, and there isn't enough money to pay for the promises government has made. Now, what cannot be paid, won't be. It won't matter even if there is a fully Republican Congress and White House. The cuts needed are too deep. Circumstances will force changes despite politics. Our problems are cultural, not political. One's best option is to avoid the falling rocks as best as one can.

123

OT: Fred Thompson has come forward to show he is a complete fucking idiot. He is co championing the National Popular Vote Act in which states would agree to cast their electorial votes fo the winner of the national popular vote.

This means that all dems would have to do is to concentrate on big cities like New York, LA, Seattle etc. and run up the score there and in the process pic off states like Iowa where thompson is hawking this today.

What a dumbass.

http://tinyurl.com/3w7pck3

 

124 110 Now the Republicans have given up on Medicare cuts...

They didn't give-up on transforming Medicare.

125

Posted by: Adjoran at May 12, 2011 04:20 PM (VfmLu)

Jeff B., did you change your nick? The heady odor of you being better than everyone else is intoxicating!

126 Typical Republican playbook,  bark at it so the lefty media gets plenty of good distort-able clips to frighten the neighborhood with, "look at this rabid dog that wants to bite you!!!!"  then whine for a few minutes, then roll over just in case they give you a treat this time even though they never ever ever ever have before.

Say what you will about Palin and Paul, they get it and they don't play that heads you win tails I lose, Republican establishment game.  Its new kids in stores now.

"How to lose your Constitutional Republic in one generation to a hyper emotional easily manipulated group 1/3 your size that almost nobody agrees with!"

In the end conservatives didn't lose the battle because they had bad generals its because the soldiers for our side were in denial it was a war until the surrender ceremony.

127

What comes after trillion?  I think I might need to know.

Posted by: Obama's next press secretary at May 12, 2011 03:49 PM (/izg2)

Total economic collapse. 

128 The REAL BATTLE is upon us!  Marvel at the awesome power of an unleashed John Boehner!

129 @126
I'm sure defense can handle some cuts.

The thing that pisses me off is that the Rs are proposing a smaller increase than Obama is proposing, but the media will ignore that fact. 

130 Posted by: The Guy Who Knows the Difference Between They're and Their at May 12, 2011 04:18 PM (IhHdM)

Are you also an expert on to, too, and two?

131 Gosh, I guess I'll just clip that wonderful GOP story and send it in to the fucking electric company in lieu of payment. I'm sure they'll understand.

Happy Days are here again! Says our betters.

132 Fred Thompson... is co championing the National Popular Vote Act in which states would agree to cast their electorial votes for the winner of the national popular vote. Next thing we'll be agitating for a parliamentary system. Sheesh.

133

Regarding the budget we aren't going to get anywhere unless we start accepting the fact that we can't afford endless war in the middle east. It just isn't going to happen.

 

134

OT: Fred Thompson has come forward to show he is a complete fucking idiot. He is co championing the National Popular Vote Act in which states would agree to cast their electorial votes fo the winner of the national popular vote.

Posted by: robtr at May 12, 2011 04:23 PM (MtwBb)

AKA The National Urban Leftist Perpetual Domination Act, or the It's Easier To Cheat In Big Cities act.

135 No, no, no-- what the article is saying is that we're now closer to '04 instead of '06. The debt ceiling is a different issue.

136

129 Guys like Monty are correct. There is no political will to cut the spending as required, and there isn't enough money to pay for the promises government has made.

Posted by: George Orwell at May 12, 2011 04:23 PM (AZGON)

Yeah, but it still sucks.

137

And quadrillion follows trillion.

 

138 What does Speaker John Boehner want out of the debt ceiling vote? It’s now unclear, as Boehner is avoiding any specifics, dodging questions three days after calling for “trillions” in cuts.

Here’s a snapshot: In a Thursday briefing with the Capitol Hill press corps, Boehner said he didn’t “want to tie myself down” on budget process reforms, refused to “lock myself into” a time frame for the trillions of dollars in savings he’s seeking. He declined to respond to whether tax increases and offsetting the debt limit hike are completely non-negotiable bargaining positions.

Politico




Leadership....

139 A lot of ya'll are missing the lessons we learned from all the debates on the CR and the aftermath. Budgeting in the government bears zero resemblance to budgeting in the real world.

1. These budget resolutions are NOT the actual budget. They are a guideline that is essentially meaningless in the end.
2. The actual budget will be the individual appropriations bills which they will sneak through one at a time. These are the ones that MUST be split up to fund the individual departments and to CUT the ones we want. These will occur throughout the year.

Also, appropriations bills almost always contain funding for stuff that has NOTHING to do with the actual wording of the title of the bill. For example the Democraps are notorious for placing a LOT of their socialism BS in defense funding bills to try to force Republicans to sign off on it and to hide the spending.

Still, all that being said, when you start out with your "guideline" for overall annual spending with a measly snip off of an Obama increase, you can not be serious.

140 Ok now seeing your future, does anyone want to recant their support for TARP and embrace that small possibility of financial armageddon. Like it would have fucking mattered. DOOMED!!! Baby DOOMED!!! See you in hell mother bitches.

141 130 OT: Fred Thompson has come forward to show he is a complete fucking idiot. He is co championing the National Popular Vote Act in which states would agree to cast their electorial votes fo the winner of the national popular vote.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

142 Don't worry. We've got you covered. Your interest payments are funding our military build up and making us into the world's largest economy. But... uhhh... we'll have to work on your interest rate. You don't qualify for prime anymore.

143 John Hawkins put together a nice list of quotes... enjoy

Liberal "Patriotism" in their own words

It has been heartwarming to see a few liberals actually thumping their chests about America in the wake of Osama Bin Laden's death via old age and a bullet to the face (but mostly a bullet to the face.) It's just so nice to see our liberal brethren feeling, for a few brief moments at least, the sort of patriotism that conservatives feel all the time.

Â….Not that there aren't patriotic liberals. They certainly exist, much in the same manner that albino alligators exist. You see one every once in awhile in captivity, but if you ever run across one in the wild, you'll be genuinely surprised. Instead of patriotism, what we usually hear from liberals sounds a lot more like this.

1) When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke. -- Robert Altman

2) As you probably know, some American politicians and American journalists refer to Washington, DC as the “capital of the free world.” But it seems to me that this great city (Brussels), which boasts 1,000 years of history and which serves as the capital of Belgium, the home of the European Union, and the headquarters for NATO, this city has its own legitimate claim to that title. — Joe Biden

3) As to those in the World Trade Center… Let’s get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. …If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it. — Ward Churchill

4) A friend of ours said if the same laws were applied to U.S. Presidents as were applied to the Nazis after WWII, that every single one of them, every last rich white one of them, from Truman on would be hung to death and shot. And this current administration is no exception. They should be hung and tried and shot as war criminals. -- Zack de la Rocha, Rage Against The Machine

5) I don't know if a country (America) where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world. -- Jane Fonda

6) Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win! -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

7) Patriotism threatens free speech with death. It is infuriated by thoughtful hesitation, constructive criticism of our leaders and pleas for peace. It despises people of foreign birth. It has specifically blamed homosexuals, feminists and the American Civil Liberties Union. In other words, the American flag stands for intimidation, censorship, violence, bigotry, sexism, homophobia and shoving the Constitution through a paper shredder. Whom are we calling terrorists here? -- Barbara Kingsolver, novelist, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

America has an almost obscene infatuation with itself. Has there ever been a big, powerful country that is as patriotic as America? And patriotic in the tinniest way, with so much flag waving? You'd really think we were some poor little republic, and that if one person lost his religion for one hour, the whole thing would crumble. America is the real religion in this country. -- Norman Mailer

9) The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism. Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country? I don't see why people care about patriotism. -- Natalie Maines

10) Of course, Mr. Hannity was outraged that any American would not cross her hand over her heart and repeat the hypocritical words, one nation. Whenever we come up on the Fourth of You Lie, I think of Frederick Douglas and his masterful oration, The meaning of the Fourth of July to the Negro. Pledge the flag? I think not! -- Julianne Malveaux

11) (T)he dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American. -- Michael Moore At London's Roundhouse Theater

12) You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest... -- Barack Obama

13) For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction. -- Michelle Obama

14) My daughter, who goes to Stuyvesant High School only blocks from the World Trade Center, thinks we should fly an American flag out our window. Definitely not, I say: The flag stands for jingoism and vengeance and war. -- Katha Pollitt, The Nation

15) The President wants to talk about a terrorist named bin Laden. I don’t want to talk about bin Laden. I want to talk about a terrorist called Christopher Columbus. I want to talk about a terrorist called George Washington. I want to talk about a terrorist called Rudy Giuliani. The real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America. — Malik Zulu Shabazz

16) While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything - America owes us. -- Al Sharpton at the "State of the Black World Conference" in Atlanta

17) America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for... -- Cindy Sheehan

1 The Pentagon as a legitimate target? I actually don’t have an opinion on that and it’s important I not have an opinion on that as I sit here in my capacity right now. — David Westin, ABC News President

19) The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no, God d*mn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God d*mn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God d*mn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme. -- Jeremiah Wright

20) In practice, US officials seem to know better than to indulge in the patriotic myth that our constitution is the greatest system of government ever devised. — Matthew Yglesias

144 We have to fold on the 2011 budget so we can focus on the debt ceiling.
We have to fold on the debt ceiling so we can focus on the 2012 budget.
We have to fold on the 2012 budget so we can focus on the Ryan Plan.
We have to fold on the Ryan Plan because it's time for the 2012 election,

Repeat forever....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 12, 2011 04:10 PM (M8E6y)

The only way we will affect any change is if we win seats, and we obviously won't win seats if we do anything unpopular.  And what is unpopular is what the media tells us is unpopular. 

So ultimately, if we pursue a strategy of putting winning first, magically the deficit will go away, but only if we make it clear that we won't cut spending.

You dumb purists just don't realize that.

145 147 From National Review:

http://tinyurl.com/44hbs5y
http://tinyurl.com/6j9qttg

146 The national Popular Vote Act is blatantly unconstitutional and so much so that I don't even think the current Supremes would support it.

147 148 ...The actual budget will be the individual appropriations bills which they will sneak through one at a time. These are the ones that MUST be split up to fund the individual departments and to CUT the ones we want. These will occur throughout the year.

They've provided a schedule for all 12 bills. The last one will gone through full committee on August 3rd.

148 I question...all of it.

149 11% reduction overall
23% from Obama's request

FY '12 Military Construction/VA Bill

150 And quadrillion follows trillion.

Dammit!  You weren't supposed to tell Obama & Boehner...

151
FY '12 Military Construction/VA Bill
11% reduction overall
23% from Obama's request
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby



The House Appropriations Committee today released the initial fiscal year 2012 Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations bill. The legislation will be marked-up in subcommittee tomorrow, and includes a total of $72.5 billion in discretionary funding, which is $615 million below last yearÂ’s level and $1.2 billion below the PresidentÂ’s fiscal year 2012 request.

appropriations.house.gov



Don't see how you're getting those reduction percentages....

152 161 I should have been more clear-- the %s refer to the overall request. The bill summary I posted is the 1st appropriations measure they've released.

153 Overall request= total amount of $$$ Obama wanted for everything in '12, from EPA to HHS to DoE, etc.

154 Of course they will cut the military. That is the only things that the Dems ever want to cut, but only if what they are cutting out of the military budget is actually military.

155 Get to know me.

156 It's getting more difficult to take the repubs seriously.  Add to it the major back-stabbing by Fred Thompson, and I defy you to keep spinning for them.

157 I WARNED YOU GUYS LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT THE CENTRIST REPS LIKE BOEHNER AND CANTOR WERE A HUGE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I AM YELLING BECAUSE I AM MAD AS HELL AND WANT TO SEE THESE IDIOTS FIRED.

158 Same old whitewash bullshit from the cheerleaders. When are you jingos going to wise up? You been sliced, diced and ground into blood meal and still you take it... ZippY!

159 It's only a decent step if you're only a year old. These guys should know better. They need to grow up and get moving. The system is obese and needs to lose weight!

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