1 Agreed ...

2 I'm waiting for Bill Carmody to give me the mainstream thinking on this one.

3 Thank you.

4

Its because after the Lefts Spin on the Bush 'Mission Accomplished' picture, they are afraid to declare a victory.

It would also admit that Bush did somthing right... that there was a win...

So... no parades...

5 They should run the parade through San Francisco, NYC, and every other area that said it was an unwinnable war.

6 We'll have one after V-NY day.  Deal?

7

In reality, the main reason is we don't want to be seen as celebrating.

This isn't even the early 1990s where we could celebrate our military successes. Those days are long gone.

We need to be sensative to muslims and not make them think we are at war against them...yadayada yada.

8 Vietnam vet says "It don't mean nothing"

9

We should've had ticker-tape parades or something reminiscent of Roman triumphs for the capture of Baghdad, capture of Saddam, his conviction and hanging, the elections, capturing Bin Laden, the works.

If we're gonna go to war, let's really go to war.  F this hand-wringing.  The military needs to be celebrated when they succeed in their hardfought assignments.

 

 

10

Completely agree Ace.  I think that a lot of it is due too youger generations not feeling the threat (Who is this Bin Ladin guy) to there security the way people did when Pearl Harbor was smoking rubble and Hitler was marching across Europe.

They have done there job well, so well that they are underappreciated.

God Bless them All.

11 Because SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN, OR I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!  That's why.

12 To the lefties:  GOP presidents always send our "children" to fight wars.  But, once there the "children" turn into rapists and homicidal maniacs that attack and destroy innocent villages in the dead of night.

13 There can be no celebration for anything accomplished through violent means.

Because fuckin Sesame Street says so.

14 It would have been honest if we'd declared war.  We haven't declared war since 1941, yet we seem to lose a lot of people in combat.  Maybe out gutless wonders raping our future might actually read the Constitution some time, and use it?

15 Something about spiking a football?

16 No more ticker tape, have to send'em boobie twitpics

17 14It would have been honest if we'd declared war. We haven't declared war since 1941, yet we seem to lose a lot of people in combat. Maybe out gutless wonders raping our future might actually read the Constitution some time, and use it?

Posted by: SFGoth at June 01, 2011 03:41 PM (dZ756)

US Constitution??? Thats like, so last Millenium...

18 Rudy, Chirs,Sarah, Donald, Tim, and Mitt should get together and pool some campaign cash and make it happen.

Throw the biggest damn party since VJ Day.

You'd see Democrats killing each other to get involved.

19 sifty - you think Bloomberg would give them a permit?

20 Posted by: SFGoth at June 01, 2011 03:41 PM (dZ756)
Actually declaring war is not nuanced enough for the nancy boys and girls that inhabit our political ruling class.

21 19:

If he didn't, he would get millions of emails, calls and letters.

New York Mayor Refuses Parade To Honor Troops

22 Where's VI day, where we celebrate victory in Iraq? Where are the people shame-faced and humiliated admitting they were 100% absolutely rock bottom wrong in every single damned thing they said about Iraq and apologizing for wanting to surrender and abandon the entire effort? Where's that?

23 22:

Because....Bush. That's why.

24 A honest to god, good answer may be that we're still fighting the WOT and Bammers just opened up a new front in Libya.  It's sort of like giving the troops in the ETO a parade when they war's still going on in the PTO.

Or course, the real reason for Bammy not giving the troops a parade is because it would make him look bad.

25

How about Aghanistan vets, too?

I will say that the fine people of the Maine Troop Greeters (Bangor, ME) know how to treat military personnel in transit.  No need for a declaration, just supportive, good people.  I had never felt more appreciated by anyone outside of family and friends than I did when I went through Bangor.

Their website is here http://bit.ly/1CkQj4

26 Rudy, Chirs,Sarah, Donald, Tim, and Mitt should get together and pool some campaign cash and make it happen.

Throw the biggest damn party since VJ Day.

You'd see Democrats killing each other to get involved.

You know, it would be nice to do one goddamn thing without making it into a political rally.

27  sifty - you think Bloomberg would give them a permit?

Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2011 03:45 PM (WkuV6)

Screw NY and Bloomburg.  Hold the parade in the heart of flyover country.  Dallas, OK City, Tulsa..... like that.  Why does it have to be in NY to make it official?

28 Ticker tapes are not environmentally friendly.

29 Why does it have to be in NY to make it official?

Ask New Yorkers. For whatever reason, it just doesn't count unless it's in New York. Cuz they say so.

30 24A honest to god, good answer may be that we're still fighting the WOT and Bammers just opened up a new front in Libya.

Posted by: taylork at June 01, 2011 03:47 PM (5wsU9)

But the question becomes, whose side of the WOT are we on, in Libya...

Like supporting the Egyptian uprising, Jury is still out...

31

Oh, by the way-- does the illegal 'kinetic military action' in Libya have a name yet?

I propose Obama's Illegal Libya Quagmire, or OIL-Q.

Or how about Operation Not Killing Qaddaffi or Even Getting Any Congressional Approval? (ONKQOGEACA, pronounced ONK-ko-gaka.  Almost rhymes with waka-waka.)

32 I agree.  I'll sit in the front car.

33 This was an illegal war and there should be no parades at all. Presadent Obama turned this war around from a defeat, if anything we should thank him for his strategic vision. How many times will Presadent Obama have to save Bush ??

34 Oh, by the way-- does the illegal 'kinetic military action' in Libya have a name yet?

In honor of his numbers, Operation Send Help, I'm Tanking...

35

It'd probably be safer for the troops if they didn't have a parade - the fucking hippies would just spit on them or attack them like they did the bus full of delegates at the Republican National Convention.

Leftists are violent psychopaths.

 

36
One thing about this article pisses me off, the idea that "if it doesn't happen in NYC, it didn't happen". Thousands of patriotic towns and cities across the nation have spent the last decade giving parades for returning WoT vets, showering them with love, respect and thanks.

Most of NYC has spent the last decade showering our returning WoT vets with disdain, insults and accusations (like the ones in the TNR comments).

37 "Even if you hate Bush, if you really do "love the troops," as everyone claims and some really feel, then let's have a proper expression of gratitude."

Yeeeeeeaaaaaah, we don't really love the troops.  That was just bullshit.  We just said that to give ourselves cover as we undermined the war effort. We think the troops are a bunch of baby killers. Which is ironic, when you think about it, because we're actually okay with baby killing.

We're nuanced like that.

38  I've thought since they got Saddam and all that, we should've declared a V-I day.

39
MARTIN BASHIR

40

I wonder what Rush is up to.  He's working on some top secret project (that's why the fabulous Mark Steyn was subbing today).  It would be cool if it was something to honor our military.

God bless our armed forces!  The very best in the entire world!  (Despite what their CinC said in his Memorial Day speech).

41 26:

I just looking for a ready source of millions of dollars and powerful people who can make things happen.

Our side could make it about the troops.

The Dems would make another Wellstone Memorial / Tucson Shooting Party.

42

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 01, 2011 03:50 PM (zgHLA)

Operation Cluster Fuck?

Operation Creeping Mission?

Operation Intel Failure?

Ewwww... I know... Operation Reagen, because he bombed there first!

43 It'd probably be safer for the troops if they didn't have a parade - the fucking hippies would just spit on them or attack them like they did the bus full of delegates at the Republican National Convention.

They would get jacked in a heartbeat around where I live.  It would be hippie genocide that day if they were to even think about doing that.  At the end of the day, there would only be a gigantic pile of greasy tye-dye shirts and Birkenstocks.

44 37 touche' ... now that's right on ...

45 Amen.

46 The Dems would make another Wellstone Memorial / Tucson Shooting Party.

Posted by: sifty at June 01, 2011 03:54 PM (2dbd9)

I've got the T-shirt slogan:

TOGETHER, WE'RE SNIDE.

47 How many times will Presadent Obama have to save Bush ??

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 01, 2011 03:50 PM (48wze)

A brazillian?

48 Pick the town closest to the center of the lower 48 (54 if you are a dumbass), and hold it there.

I fuckin hate New York.

49 Who shit!?!

Oh, hi Mary......

50

History will record them as the victorious army, that should be more satisfying than any parade.

 

51 The new lefty meme (via one of my lefty relatives) is that while it was bad that veterans were mistreated after Vietnam we've now swung too far the other way. Which I guess means that they'll go back to spitting on the troops just to balance things out.

52 I don't think the President should be consumed ALL DAY with the pomp and circumstance, do you? I mean, we all grilled with family and had fellowship.
Why can't the leader of the free world get some R & R at his favorite haunt?

53 50:

Unless the books are written by Howard Zinn's cultists.

54 When you can't get Hallmark -- yeah schmaltzy Hallmark -- to delete hateful comments directed at Gold Star moms on their FB page, I think trying to get a parade organized is a tall order.

55 Whatever happens, I'm sure the parade will be better than that San Francisco Easter parade.

56

36
One thing about this article pisses me off, the idea that "if it doesn't happen in NYC, it didn't happen".

 

It's just the reflexive anti-anything-west/anti-"flyover" country attitude of the Northeastern population that is completing their divorce from America. Just confirms what most people west of the Mississippi have known since the sixties - New York City is part of Europe. Not America, not really. Saying otherwise is just being polite.

57 Please, before going off on Bill, check his hash and mine.

Thanks. Oh, and yes, HONOR THE TROOPS!

58 At my town's memorial day parade in New Jersey with my kids.  Nice little town, nice little parade.  Vets in parade.  I clap and say thank you when I see the vets, my kids do too.  Rest of the crowd follows suit.  Four guys from WWII in the first car, then some Korean War Vets, then some old Desert Storm farts like myself.  Finally, in a convertable, a young marine with a chest full of medals by himself.  Smart ass neighbor says, "Who does he think he is?  Why is he alone?  What is he, homecoming king?".   I'm fuming.  I tell him, "What I see is a marine with a chest full of medals so I'm gonna clap and say thank you."  I explain to him, like a parent explaining the obvious to a toddler, that the vets were arranged by conflict, and that young man was probably freshly back from Iraq or Afghanistan.  I was pissed all day.  My neighbor isn't a bad guy, just never knew any body who served, like most Americans.  Makes me very worried about the disconnect between our citizens and the military men and women who fight for them.  Too long a post.  I'm still pissed.

59 Why can't they have it in NYC?  I mean, they could combine it with the gay pride parade to celebrate the DADT repeal, right?

60

One thing about this article pisses me off, the idea that "if it doesn't happen in NYC, it didn't happen".

 

Well, duh!

61

I think it was Dave Barry who made the point that Reagan was bombing Libya for the express purpose of not killing Qadaffi, since targeted assassinations were illegal.

Funny how some things don't change, huh?

62

 Makes me very worried about the disconnect between our citizens and the military men and women who fight for them.  Too long a post.  I'm still pissed.

 

Shoot, I wasn't even there, and now I'm pissed! 

 

Thank you for your service, BTW!

63 Don't give Ibama any ideas. It would undoubtedly turn into another Me Myself and I extravaganza for The Great One. No one wants to see that.

64 Its a lock to happen in Pres. Palin's first month in office.

65 Drats!  Dumb sock!

66 51:

Anyone spitting on troops within my reach gets a free trip to the hospital. No exceptions.

It's worth the charges.

The disgusting hippies pulled that shit on Dad's unit going through SeaTac Airport in 67 and he didn't get to give them a rifle butt across the face. They won't do it where I can see.

67 It's a good day for a parade.

http://tinyurl.com/3vypmfd

68

I was just happy I didn't get spit on, or called a "Baby-Killer" when I got back ...fuck a bunch of parades from folks that pretend to care. I use to be happy when old wardog geezers would buy me a beer...now I'm the old geezer buying beers for the young vets.

 

 

69
 Geeze, wake up--welcome homes happen daily, in a thousand different places.  Because New Fucking York isn't involved doesn't mean shit. I've seen several in this little anonymous burg I live in--and it's repeated all over the country.

  Personally, after enduring the shitstorm from the left during and after my service, the very last thing I  want is those assholes involved in ANY manner. I'd bet there's a few on here who share that view.

70 69:

True.

It is another one of those things that seems right, but is probably a relic of a better, past world.


Like silk stockings and drinking scotch at the office.

71 Anyone against such an idea is a weiner.

72 Heads up, hannity talking to trump now and will talk to Ryan at the bottom of the hour.

73

Iraq caused us to take our eye off the ball in Darfur...where there are absolutely no compelling US interests. 

Now if we had liberated Darfur with MOABs of enlightenment and ALCMs of tolerance, then we would have had a V-D parade thru the Castro District. 

74

irongrampa at June 01, 2011 04:04 PM (ud5dN)

Thank you for your service sir.

75 Yo Mary Who-Clogged-Up_My-Shitter-Stein do you only suck veggie cocks only and not animal cocks ?????????

76 72:
Thanks TV Guide.

Heads up, I'm gonna have some more coffee and maybe a sammich.

77

Now if we had liberated Darfur with MOABs of enlightenment and ALCMs of tolerance, then we would have had a V-D parade thru the Castro District. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 01, 2011 04:08 PM (DPM1U)

Snark....That's funny.

V-D day....isn't that every day in San Francisco?

78 DJIA=12290.14, -279.65

79 Parades are kind of passe...pickpockets, urban riots, lawsuits....why doesn't the blogosphere just select a specific day to honor victory in Iraq?  Complete with Groupon discounts, chits for beer, maybe we can schedule a flashmob at some venue and toast our victory.  Kind of like the idea to have the politicians chip in except without all of the icky politicians. 

80 woa trump has a lot to say about the republicans.

81 It's good that small towns know how to honor their veterans. A lot of the troops are from small-town America anyway. Irongrampa's got it right -- the parades that matter are held by the people who really, honestly care for the veterans, in an environment in which they feel safe.

82

To be fair, there wasn't a clearly defined date for winning- there was no VE day as in WWII, no surrender of the Japanese to mark the end of the war.  The drawdown was gradual unlike WWII when many thousands returned home over the course of a relatively short period of time.

Iraq veterans no question deserve our respect and gratitude, but the ticker tape parades of WWII don't really fit the circumstances, especially with Afghanistan still a war zone.

83
The disgusting hippies pulled that shit on Dad's unit going through SeaTac Airport in 67 and he didn't get to give them a rifle butt across the face.

Posted by: sifty at June 01, 2011 04:02 PM (2dbd9)

During the late 60's, hippies were forbidden from harassing or addressing military personnel at SFO.  To counter this rule, they used metallic clickers that sound like a cricket hoping to elicit a first response from the military, and only then could the dirtbags  respond.

Their purpose was to convince young men that serving was wrong, and they could provide an avenue to escape to Canada.  My purpose when transiting through SFO was to physically harass and verbally abuse these cretins.  They just didn't want to fuck with the combat veterans.

84 I live in a neighborhood full of old vets.  Several go to our church, including a guy who was wounded on Okinawa.  Our son has been blessed to have their love and support since he was young.

Anyone ever sneers or makes a remark about my boy when he returns, I'll have to go to prison.

85 Good call, Ace.

The knee-jerk, snarky answer I lamely thought of is that we need to wait and see how it all turns out in fifty years to know whether we "won" or not.  But screw it, Saddam and sons gone, Iraq economy on the rise, and they have problems, just like Rahm has in Chicago.  We won.

86 I know it's a conspiracy blog and not meant to be taken seriously, but, I've noticed some of the stuff they post eventually makes it into the mainstream media.  So where did this poster get Sarah Palin's SAT score?

87

I know most of us that came back from Vietnam just wanted to get home, get drunk, and get laid.

When we got to Oakland, the people who were being processed out of the service because our enlistments were up, were told that we had to wear our uniforms to leave the post. But they added that when we got to the SF airport to catch our planes, the best thing to do was find a restroom and change into civilian attire to avoid being harassed by crowds of people who just hung around to jeer and confront the troops passing through there.

88 Two words: Korea.

89 86 I know it's a conspiracy blog and not meant to be taken seriously, but, I've noticed some of the stuff they post eventually makes it into the mainstream media. So where did this poster get Sarah Palin's SAT score? Posted by: curious at June 01, 2011 04:20 PM (k1rwm) My guess is they pulled it out of their ass, aka they provide no evidence whatsoever.

90 Fuck a ticker tape parade, having to march in formation through the Valley of the Libtards. The best thank-you I ever got as a soldier was from Pete Coors. We had done a live-fire exercise for him and his Young Presidents club. We torched the shit out of God's green earth for his and his friends' amusement, costing us another week away from home after a 2-month deployment. When we got back to garrison we did a one-week recovery, and at Friday afternoon's battalion formation, the back gate of the motor pool opens and the Coors trucks roll in and start slinging kegs. For 1500 thirsty grunts. THAT moved us. He didn't have to do anything. We had no choice in the matter, anyway. I'd rather something sincere like that for our troops than subjecting them to the inevitable shitwhistles who will be there calling them vile names.

91
  We were urged not to wear our uniforms in transit, due to the "prevailing mood"--never forgot that shit phrase, so I made sure to have on all the shit I was allowed to wear, and that I was standing tall.

  Only at the Greyhound station was there any problem--with two shitbags who got right in my face. I took what I thought was the appropriate action, and the cop apparently agreed with me.

92 83:

When Dad shipped out on the boat from San Fran are in '66 he saw nobody because it was too early for the scum to be awake. 22 days at sea to Cam Rhan Bay for a Missouri farm kid who had never been at sea before. He made a ring out of a quarter. I've still got it in the safe.

Stuff you remember when this stuff comes up is funny.

These men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Nobody can take that away.

Not even libs.

93 Ace,

Marcus had a point in an earlier thread that goes along with yours:

There is simply not enough recognition from the media unless it is something like the MOH. Frankly, there is not enough in general about the actions undertaken by heroes on our behalf reported by the media. They would rather talk about how great it is that Obama can match his own socks.

Posted by: Marcus at June 01, 2011 12:19 PM (CHrmZ)

94 90:

I'm assuming that this was before Coors changed the formula.

95 Stop whining you bitter clingers. Once we achieve V-AZ Day, we'll have a parade. We'll even have some religion for you extreme clingers. That Nahavo shaman is looking for a new gig.

96 I know it's a conspiracy blog and not meant to be taken seriously, but, I've noticed some of the stuff they post eventually makes it into the mainstream media.  So where did this poster get Sarah Palin's SAT score?

Posted by: curious at June 01, 2011 04:20 PM (k1rwm)

Did you not notice that the commenters were asking for a link or proof of those numbers?   Not available.  I wonder why?

97 I think there should be a parade, if only to educate some of our fellow citizens.  And have it in Texas, or near Walter Reed, and have Palin at it, along with Rubio, and Bush.  The media will have to carry it, and their heads will freaking explode.  Lets air it out.

98 not saying it's right or wrong, but i think people are tired of all things war, people just want their loved ones back home and they don't care about parades and such.

99

Did you not notice that the commenters were asking for a link or proof of those numbers?   Not available.  I wonder why?

Posted by: Steph at June 01, 2011 04:32 PM (AkdC5)

It still amazes me that the kostards still cling onto the Tina Fey character as an example of Sarah Palin's intelligence.   She's acted above professional as these assholes tear at her an her family, yet she's still got the most popular bus tour in years.

Amazing how the stupid people can achieve so much.

100
I loved the BS flag in remarks on the bi-curious post #86!

101

Oh, and curious, there was absolutely no reason to bring that into this thread.   This thread was about our brave military.    Your "concerns" are getting tiresome.

102
Curious is either a thread snatcher or a snatch threader?

103 Couldn't a Congressman pass a bill to do a National Veterans Parade? All conflicts, all eras.

Call it National Living Heroes Day or National Treasures Day or something like that.

And make it a felony crime to use it to sell cars and mattresses.

104 Posted by: Steph at June 01, 2011 04:32 PM (AkdC5)

I went there when the thread was initially posted had maybe two comments.  Then my computer began telling me that it was being attacked so I had to get off the site.

105 Yeah, have Palin, West, Rubio, our two Living Medal of Honor honerees, Rolling Thunder, and whoever else wants to march in it.  Don't wait for the Prez to request a parade.  Take over the narrative.  Tell the story.

106 A lot of my friends are in Afghanistan.  some were in Iraq.  One didn't come home.   It was an enormous loss.

The church where I grew up has a long long list of those serving in the military, their names, so we can pray for them.  I went to school with most of them.  I pray for them every single day.

107 if disingenuous had a smell....

108 I remember for Gulf War I there was a ticker tape parade in Manhattan for the troops and coalition troops.  It happened to be my 21st birthday as well, when I was finally of legal age to drink, (not that I hadn't before :b ).  Special note is Israel was invited and participated to honor them for not striking back when Saddam launched missiles hoping to draw Israel in to alienate the Arab countries in the coalition.

109 I believe the standard liberal anti-war argument was not that a war in Iraq was un-winnable--in fact, no one doubted the US would subdue the Iraqi military forces relatively quickly--but that it would lead to a drawn out occupation with thousands of dead American troops and untold numbers of Iraqis killed.  That and all the lies that justified the invasion.  But go ahead and stick with your straw man.

110 And a few other points for the record:

There is no record of Vietnam veterans spit on upon returning from the war; this is an apocryphal story meant to slander anti-war activists. 

I've noticed a good deal of NYC hate in these comments.  Did you all feel this way almost ten years ago, when outrage over an attack on NYC prompted the US to go to war with Iraq in the first place?

111 But go ahead and stick with your straw man. No, Chubby Checker, you are the twister. Your side said the war was lost to the insurgency. And your President said the surge would make things worse. A TTP would remind everyone that he had no clue.

112 110- Try this
http://tinyurl.com/43rox9b

Being a Vietnam Vet I can say that while I was never spit upon the reception I received upon my homecoming was cool at best.  I might add that I wasn't spit upon because I was a Marine 1stLt wearing my dress uniform.  That didn't encourage any type of assault.

OTOH, I have been thanked more for my service in the past two years than in the previous forty.  I think the American People are waking up to the commitments required of their Armed Forces.

113 #110, you're a fucking idiot who has obviously fallen for the academic notion that "unless someone got it on videotape and annotated it in a scholarly journal, it didn't happen."  I am inclined to believe the guys who told me it happened to them.

And while we hate the annoying Obama-voting liberals who have infected the city of my ancestors (I myself am a Tennesseean by choice), New York City is still American soil and will be defended as enthusiastically as anywhere else.

Except San Francisco. If I'm ever President, we're walling that bitch off and selling it to the Chinese for straight cash. They've bitched for fifty years about American foreign policy, so they get to get out of America. We're all happy that way.

114 When do they construct the obama LIEbrary?

115

Win?  Iran controls Iraq and they're throwing out all our low-lying military fruit.  It's a total loss, a 3 trillion dollar one.

Ace, I'm going to tap your ass!!

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