February 25, 2011
— DrewM After 60 hours of debate, the state Assembly passed Governor Walker's Budget Repair bill, which among other things limits the bargaining rights of Wisconsin's public sector employees.
The vote ended three straight days of punishing debate in the Assembly. But the political standoff over the bill — and the monumental protests at the state Capitol against it — appear far from over.The Assembly's vote sent the bill on to the Senate, but minority Democrats in that house have fled to Illinois to prevent a vote and say they won't return unless Republican Gov. Scott Walker agrees to discuss a compromise. Republicans who control the Senate sent state troopers out looking for them at their homes on Thursday, but they turned up nothing.
...Democrats launched a filibuster, throwing out dozens of amendments and delivering rambling speeches. Each time Republicans tried to speed up the proceedings, Democrats rose from their seats and wailed that the GOP was stifling them.
Debate had gone on for 60 hours and 15 Democrats were still waiting to speak when the vote started around 1 a.m. Friday. Speaker Pro Tem Bill Kramer, R-Waukesha, opened the roll and closed it within seconds.
Democrats looked around, bewildered. Only 13 of the 38 Democratic members managed to vote in time.
Republicans immediately marched out of the chamber in single file. The Democrats rushed at them, pumping their fists and shouting "Shame!" and "Cowards!"
The Republicans walked past them without responding.
I love the idea that any Democrat can call a Republican a coward while praising state Senate Democrats who ran away and hid rather than exercise their sworn duties.
While this is the first hurdle for the plan, the Senate still can't act on major portions of the bill so the focus remains on forcing Democrats to do their constitutional duty and actually to the jobs they were elected to do.
Meanwhile for practical and possibly political reasons, Walker is still opposed to splitting the the collective bargaining measures (which doesn't require the presence of Senate Democrats) from the budget cuts (which does).
I still think itÂ’s important to keep it intact. Because one [part of the bill] goes with the other. If you fail to get one, it makes it hard to balance the rest of the budget. So our hope, our focus is still on trying to figure out a way to make it possible for those state senate Democrats to get back.
Meanwhile, our new Golden Age of Civility continues. The networks simply refuse to report on Democratic Congressman who called for union violence, as if they need someone to tell them to do that. .
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Posted by: EC at February 25, 2011 07:55 AM (mAhn3)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at February 25, 2011 07:56 AM (x3Anv)
>>> ......Democratic Congressman who called for union violence, as if they need someone to tell them to do that. .
I would not expect the others to do so, but did anyone see this on Fox at least?
Posted by: Roadking at February 25, 2011 07:57 AM (hempZ)
Posted by: lowfibass at February 25, 2011 07:58 AM (T1ZAZ)
Posted by: Inspector Cleuseau at February 25, 2011 07:58 AM (Q5+Og)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 07:58 AM (uFokq)
Is having a Cluster B personality disorder required to be a member of the Wisconsin Democrat Party? Or does it just help?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 25, 2011 07:58 AM (v+QvA)
The "fleebaggers" sneak out of town under cover of darkness = heros
The republicans stay at their posts and receive death threats = cowards
Interesting times in which we live.
Posted by: Boots at February 25, 2011 07:59 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: crankytrex at February 25, 2011 07:59 AM (g6rtj)
When they get back to the Senate, immediately vote it down in the Senate and bring up the original bill and pass it before they can leave.
I like your style
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at February 25, 2011 08:00 AM (FcnYT)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 25, 2011 08:02 AM (xdHzq)
Posted by: Holger at February 25, 2011 08:03 AM (YxGud)
So if these protesters show up in Austin it will be OK to ask Perry to squash them with National Guard tanks?
Posted by: Bieber must die, for Cthulhu at February 25, 2011 08:04 AM (F/4zf)
The commiecrat's contact with reality is tenuous at best.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 25, 2011 08:04 AM (F9JPD)
Posted by: grognard at February 25, 2011 08:04 AM (NS2Mo)
Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2011 08:06 AM (M9Ie6)
>>> I love this. Why can't our Senators and Reps in DC have this kind of spine? Is it surgically removed shortly before their swearing-in?
Exactly.
They go to DC and start all of "my friend across the isle" bullshit and nothing gets done. And for the record I'm on the biggest "Give 'em a chance" guy's around here but it's starting get really old. I wanna see Boehner lay down the law.
And also for the record all of this civility shit is just that - shit.
Posted by: Roadking at February 25, 2011 08:06 AM (hempZ)
Of course not, silly. That would be uncivil and "cowardly." Didn't you read the story?
To understand the Media's world-view (and I'm not really sure they're the same as Democrats. I think they're just Democrat sycophants) you just have place as the cornerstone of your life "Democrats are wonderful." Not "Democrats do wonderful things," or "Democrats are nice," but "Democrats are (as in: define) wonderful."
So anything a Democrat does is right, and good, and wonderful. Where as anything a Republican does is wrong, and mean, and terrible.
See? Easy.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:08 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Hmmmm at February 25, 2011 08:08 AM (xs5wK)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:09 AM (uFokq)
I'm with Walker on this one. It needs to pass in the light of day with as much legitimacy as possible.
Only break it up if you have absolutely no other option. The Fleebagers can't stay away forever. Wait them out.
Each day that passes where they are derelict of duty, the more damage it does to them, not Walker.
Posted by: Ben at February 25, 2011 08:09 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 25, 2011 08:10 AM (7H/n0)
Posted by: kathleen at February 25, 2011 08:10 AM (tFh1l)
And he is saying Bryon Yorkie has a great piece today. Didn't someone say they saw him yesterday on some news program and he has "gone to the dark side". Wonder what's up with that?
Last night Batchelor was discussing the massive union thug protests scheduled for tomorrow. Is anyone else worried that this will not be the same lovely peaceful protest like the tea party had?
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:11 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:11 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:11 AM (uFokq)
Walker has the votes to do just about anything he wants (super majority in the Senate, majority (maybe super majority) in the Assembly. The question is time. Separate bills mean separate votes. It would also mean 2x as much time for Democrats to use "parliamentary maneuvers" to slow down/stop the legislation.
If he can do it, at all, it's better to keep them in one bill and only change them if there is no other viable option.
What might be interesting is to send a budget without the collective bargaining stuff through the Senate, just to have- as the last amendment added- the collective bargaining stuff. Approve the amendment, call quorum and pass the budget. Which is similar to what crankytrex suggested.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:12 AM (8y9MW)
LINK
Goons attacking representitive democracy in the Capitol building.
Posted by: mrp at February 25, 2011 08:13 AM (HjPtV)
You only worry when you don't know. I believe this has gone to "existential dread."
What's the over/under on when the actual riots start? I've got 3 weeks.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at February 25, 2011 08:15 AM (zqzYV)
I had that damn video running in the background while I was typing, so I'm excused
Posted by: mrp at February 25, 2011 08:16 AM (HjPtV)
I heard it on the local news. Well, christie was quietly getting things done and too much was said about how great Christie was so, hence, trouble is now at his doorstep. I really think the NJ teachers aren't the picket line, beat up anyone who disagrees, we hate you types but,, if the union demands it, it will happen i guess
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:16 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:17 AM (pW2o8)
You only worry when you don't know. I believe this has gone to "existential dread."
What's the over/under on when the actual riots start? I've got 3 weeks.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 12:14 PM (8y9MW)
Check out the pictures of those Union workers. Most of them are so out-of-shape (fat-assed) they couldn't sustain a riot more than 10 minutes. The revolution will come but it will die of a Crispy-Creme induced heart attack.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at February 25, 2011 08:18 AM (zqzYV)
Little OT, but I guess this fits better here than the last thread
So I'm wondering if you fine folks would find it in good taste to join the teachers in my small wisconsin town the next time they protest, while holding a sign that says:
"I support a woman's right to choose..... To not join a union"?
Is this a properly civil way to engage my fellow Wisconsinites in dialogue, or will they really take it the wrong way?
Posted by: shortbu5 at February 25, 2011 08:18 AM (AxexV)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 12:17 PM (pW2o
He does, but people in NJ are pissed-off at the State Workers.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at February 25, 2011 08:19 AM (zqzYV)
o/y
Wow Ace has made it to the big leagues...Verizon advertising!!! Do me a favor Ace and tell them their DSL is the suck!!
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 08:19 AM (pr+up)
You know... this brings up a point. Aren't most people in cushy government jobs the kind who aren't to interested in strenuous physical activity? How is it that conservatives let themselves get beat up by SEIU thugs all the time?
I mean, I get when you're out-numbered your choices are somewhat limited, but it seems to me that conservatives just kind of adopt a "stand there and take it" attitude, when I think we should adopt an "if you hit me, you'd better kill me," attitude.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:19 AM (8y9MW)
Debate had gone on for 60 hours and 15 Democrats were still waiting to speak when the vote started around 1 a.m. Friday. Speaker Pro Tem Bill Kramer, R-Waukesha, opened the roll and closed it within seconds.
Democrats looked around, bewildered. Only 13 of the 38 Democratic members managed to vote in time.
Bwhahahaha! I love a story with an happy ending!
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:20 AM (ihSHD)
With sprinkles. Mmm. Sprinkles.
Posted by: homer simpson at February 25, 2011 08:20 AM (7H/n0)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 08:21 AM (RSqz2)
Silly rabbit. That's what rent-a-thugs are for.
Posted by: pep at February 25, 2011 12:18 PM (GMG6W)
Even the rent-a-thugs are fat-asses in NJ. I think we need to send boxes of Dunkin Donuts to the local SEIU
Posted by: The Robot Devil at February 25, 2011 08:21 AM (zqzYV)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2011 12:16 PM (TATbF)
Did you see the thread yesterday dedicated to your superior snark?
Thank runningrn...she alerted Ace to it.
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 08:22 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: logprof at February 25, 2011 08:23 AM (foefc)
The Cheddar Revolution is melting down...
Posted by: Rocks at February 25, 2011 08:24 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 08:24 AM (qgdre)
"The governor has said that if the bill does not pass by Friday, the state will miss a deadline to refinance $165 million of debt and will be forced to start issuing layoff notices next week."
Hey, Fleebaggers? Now might be a good time to return to work.
Posted by: blue star at February 25, 2011 08:24 AM (gpWL9)
I see that both houses will have another election this November. Fingers crossed.
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:25 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 12:17 PM (pW2o
He does, but people in NJ are pissed-off at the State Workers.
One thing Christie has going for him is that he is such an effective communicator. I have a couple of friends who aren't very politically aware at all. One of them saw Chris Christie on the Today Show yesterday, and the other one saw him on the news a while back. Christie's so articulate, they were in shock when they learned how much compensation "public servants" get over their life times. Both of them are hard working CFO types who are pretty moderate independents. They are completely disgusted with what's going on and can see now how public sector unions are draining state coffers. They both have to pay into their retirement and health care plans, and they both have had their eyes opened by Christie how they are footing the bill.
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:25 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 08:25 AM (RSqz2)
It's what they do best.
Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2011 12:22 PM (TXKVh)
I think they are better at looking you right in the eye and telling you a bald faced lie. (i hope that's the way the phrase is spelled)
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:26 AM (p302b)
Bravo!
Where's the pudding?
Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2011 08:26 AM (TXKVh)
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:26 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:26 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 12:11 PM (pW2o
Posted by: The Robot Devil at February 25, 2011 12:15 PM (zqzYV)
We may have to fire up my buddies 97 F250, 7.5L-w/33" tire and a 10" lift. Drive down to Trenton, Gadson flag ablaze and Mega-phone blairing.
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 08:27 AM (pr+up)
Well, they're wrong, but they think what they'll be doing is getting some laid off and then come back and say "see? you already laid of 1500 workers, now you don't need to remove the collective bargaining rights (for benefits and pensions)," and they'll have "won."
What I expect is that the Republican response will be, "Yes, you forced the layoff of 1500 hard working Cheese-heads, and to prevent that from having to happen again, we're going to pass our original proposed bill."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 12:19 PM (8y9MW)
We bring knives, they bring guns.
Which seems completely ackbasswards, somehow. Shouldn't they be bringing doilies and we be bringing those new grenade launchers? Democrats are a bundle of contradictions.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 25, 2011 08:28 AM (McG46)
Yes, but now that woman in the sidebar will lose her chemo!!!!1!!1!!
Good Lord that was pathetic.
The left are beyond contempt using that woman like that.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 25, 2011 08:28 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: negentropy at February 25, 2011 08:28 AM (27KAF)
Posted by: Randall at February 25, 2011 08:28 AM (foefc)
great, thanks.
this post has made my morning. is there any video of the dems shaking their two left fists in ironic anger?
Posted by: twig at February 25, 2011 08:29 AM (w9N0m)
occasionally maria really tries.
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:29 AM (p302b)
Yup. I say make the cuts and put the responsibility on the AWOL Democrats.
Say, "Hey, we tried to spread the sacrifice as widely as we could, but now a few individuals are going to have to bear the entire load. I'm sorry. I had no choice. Your legislators decided to flee rather than to be adults and make the hard decisions.:
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 08:29 AM (qgdre)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:29 AM (uFokq)
Yes, the perfect ghetto jet.
Posted by: Berserker at February 25, 2011 08:29 AM (gWHrG)
I think they have to have a quorum for the budget. "Deem and Pass" was a trick to avoid Congressional Dems to actually have to vote for something unpopular. Had the Republicans all absented themselves from DC for several weeks (well, except for 2 or 3 to call for quorum) they wouldn't have been able to pull that (I think).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:30 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:30 AM (uFokq)
Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Um, have you seen the stats for Wisconsin? Half the state's students graduate unable to read/write/do arithmatic at passing levels.
Posted by: Boots at February 25, 2011 08:31 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: lowfibass at February 25, 2011 11:58 AM (T1ZAZ)
In a lawless society you can say or do any damn thing you please.
Posted by: Barbarian at February 25, 2011 08:31 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 12:27 PM (8y9MW)
Exactly. The Republicans have a very strong position right now, and I'm glad to see them taking advantage of it for once.
Posted by: blue star at February 25, 2011 08:31 AM (gpWL9)
The left are beyond contempt using that woman like that.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 25, 2011 12:28 PM (pLTLS)
You think she's being for realsies? She's in on it either way. Don't belittle her womanhood by assuming she's a pawn in their game.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 25, 2011 08:32 AM (McG46)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:32 AM (uFokq)
On the plus side, Big10 football will be uplifted!
Posted by: SEC! SEC! SEC! at February 25, 2011 08:33 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Union Member at February 25, 2011 08:33 AM (MNYI+)
Are you fucking serious? Fuck you, pal. I'm ready for all of this shit to be privatized--firefighting included.
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 08:34 AM (qgdre)
Posted by: Randall at February 25, 2011 12:28 PM (foefc)
Ok, I'll bite....how?
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 08:34 AM (VuLos)
It worked for ObamaCare. The MBM celebrated the passage, calling it "historic."
Or am I missing something here?
Posted by: I-wuz-too-hip-now-I'm-just-cynical at February 25, 2011 08:34 AM (4sQwu)
She's in on it either way
Well she's either crazy from the cancer or from her mentality and general demeanor from voting for D's all her life.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and blame the asshole that stuck the camera and mic in her face.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 25, 2011 08:34 AM (pLTLS)
And wouldn't be a pity for 1/2 of all graduating seniors not to be able to read and write at a 10th grade level.
Wait! They're already there. Apparently spending more money wasn't helping too much.
How about this: pay teachers based on performance and fire the bad ones. A proposition which requires Right-to-Work.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Randall at February 25, 2011 12:28 PM (foefc)
That would be a step up for wisconsin. 75% of 8th graders in Wisconsin can't read despite the state spending an additional $4,000 per student in the last 4 years.
45% of Wisconsin public school teachers send their kids to private schools. Public schools are for the little people.
Posted by: robtr at February 25, 2011 08:35 AM (hVDig)
How are they not being ratted out by people at or near the hotel?""
Better yet, why are they not being found with dead hookers in their hotel?
Posted by: Peter "Fat Pete" Clemenza at February 25, 2011 08:35 AM (gWHrG)
On the plus side, Big10 football will be uplifted!
Posted by: SEC! SEC! SEC! at February 25, 2011 12:33 PM (GTbGH)
You callous bastard. Just so I understand, you're perfectly fine with states where the workers have the right to work without having a union help itself to their paychecks? Inhuman monster.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 25, 2011 08:36 AM (McG46)
Thank runningrn...she alerted Ace to it.
Ha! Whenever I send Ace an email about anything, he usually ignores me or calls the cops (who promptly arrive at my house, knock down my door, and taze me as they ask me to back away from the keyboard).
Yesterday, someone wanted to know what EoJ's now famous, platinum plated awesome comment was, and I simply went back and posted the original statement by the troll and then EoJ's epic response. Ace, to his credit, was simply reading his own blog when he stumbled across my comment. Luckily, he was sober enough to recognize genius snark.
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:36 AM (ihSHD)
To quote the Great Terry Pratchet: "...he saw almost immediately the problem with paying people for the number of fires they put out..."
And I'm not really sure of another way to do "private" fire-fighting.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:36 AM (8y9MW)
Allen G is right. Here, put on this latex mask.
For protection.
From the barrel.
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 08:36 AM (qgdre)
yeah I think Rush or Beck was reading the statistics, it was pitiful. The teachers who taught me wouldn't be out on the picket line, they'd be home trying to figure out what went wrong to fix it and they'd be wholly mortified. But then again they were "called to teach children, as they loved children" and these folks are "called" to a cushy pension, lots of benefits, a great salary for little work and the protection of a union, should you somehow choose to go off the reservation". Big difference.
btw, my friends who teach are very stressed. I mean they could have a stress pissing contest with my wall street friends and come close but when you boil it down, it's not the kids in the classroom stressing them, it's the system and their colleagues that is stressing them. The politics of teaching. I mean one of my friends told another of my friends before her first day of teaching to avoid "the teachers room at all costs". She actually said "go sit in your car and get coffee and then sit there for the rest of the time but whatever you do, don't go into that room"
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:36 AM (p302b)
And we'll all be peeing in buckets!
Posted by: nickless at February 25, 2011 08:38 AM (MMC8r)
Better yet, why are they not being found with dead hookers in their hotel?
Posted by: Peter "Fat Pete" Clemenza at February 25, 2011 12:35 PM (gWHrG)
Someone from the Illinois Tea Party found them and confronted them in the lobby of the hotel. The hotel called the police and he was escorted out.
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 08:38 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:39 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:39 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:39 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 12:34 PM (qgdre)
I completely agree. These sacred cows have long worn out their welcome. Overweight overpaid lazy pieces of shit. Fuck them all.
Posted by: Barbarian at February 25, 2011 08:40 AM (EL+OC)
"I find it hard to believe that 14 senators can hide in Illinois for all this time.
How are they not being ratted out by people at or near the hotel?""
Better yet, why are they not being found with dead hookers in their hotel?
I like that Republican Senator or Rep (can't remember which) in Illinois that wanted those renegade Dem Senators from Wisconsin to pay IL income tax--heh!
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:40 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:40 AM (uFokq)
Ace? I was under the impression that he disliked palin, at best, and that she like christine and possibly michelle b. were names never to be spoken of on here?
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:41 AM (p302b)
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 12:36 PM (ihSHD)
The deuce you say!?
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 08:41 AM (VuLos)
See, I hear this kind of thing all the time. How terrible the working environment is for teachers (mostly intra-office politics and back-stabbing (BIRM)), how much pressure they're under from the State / School Board / Superintendent / Principal, and how stressed they are as a result. Then they say, "but I've been called to teach."
So, my first question is, "have you looked at private schools?"
1 of 2 answers, every time (sometimes both):
1) "But then I wouldn't get my retirement!"
2) "I would, but they get paid so much less."
And I think (have said out loud, on occasion) "But you said it's a calling. If it's a calling, that shouldn't matter."
Usually, they change the subject.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:41 AM (8y9MW)
C'mon. That's such bullshit.
I had a firefighter try to argue that crap with me when discussing merit raises. He said, "How do you give a fireman a raise based on merit? If I save someone, I get a raise and if I don't, then I'm out of luck?"
I reject the premise. Almost none of us have jobs where you can directly measure our productivity. Unless you're standing on an assembly line making widgets,. it's always going to be a subjective evaluation made by your supervisor.
Posted by: Warden at February 25, 2011 08:42 AM (qgdre)
If not, doesn't that violate anti-trust or something, allowing only one entity to dominate a marketplace?
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:42 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at February 25, 2011 08:44 AM (+lsX1)
Someone from the Illinois Tea Party found them and confronted them in the lobby of the hotel. The hotel called the police and he was escorted out.
Proof that Tea Parties are dangerous, unhinged and uncivil, violators of privacy and principaled stands. In short, Nazi thugs, rounding up innocent legislators from a neighboring state in the dead of the night. It's just the same as if they shot them in their heads while they slept.
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:44 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: Derak at February 25, 2011 08:44 AM (CjpKH)
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 08:45 AM (p302b)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 25, 2011 08:45 AM (pLTLS)
And afterwords, the Dems call the Republicans cowardly, as the Dems Senate brethern are yucking it up at a Motel 6 and airport strip-clup in Ill. Chutzpah indeed.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 25, 2011 08:46 AM (9hSKh)
Regarding the 14 fleebag senators from Wisconsin, their location(s) in Illinois is an open secret. Some are at the Clock Tower Inn in Rockford. At least one, that Erenbach (?) guy, is in Chicago. He stays in Chi-town so he can trot over to the various network stations and give interviews on camera. When he's not on camera he's at a bar where reporters can find him.
Illinois is a pathetic state run by democrats at every level, and the governor has declared it a sanctuary state for runaway fleebaggers from other states. Indiana's fleebaggers are hiding in plain sight in Champaign-Urbana, home of the U of Illinois.
Ohio's dem fleebaggers are probably on their way even as we speak.
Posted by: Boots at February 25, 2011 08:46 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: maddogg at February 25, 2011 08:47 AM (OlN4e)
It's projection. Remember, they're leftists.
Posted by: Berserker at February 25, 2011 08:51 AM (gWHrG)
It is rather like she's living, rent-free, in his head...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:52 AM (8y9MW)
It's a good question. Worthy of a discussion on some kind of internet-based commentary site.
Brown is obviously a man of the Left, so of course he's going to be loath to kick the union's nest but when the state's treasurer is sounding the warning that bond investors could force hard choices Brown's going to have to do something.
I thought he would have vamped for a few months, in hopes of a miraculous economic recovery bringing in stronger tax revenue. On the other hand, he claimed that he could cut $25 billion without any kind of legislature vote with the standard mewling at the GOP's who won't raise taxes, (and a bonus anti-Catholic joke.)
Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 25, 2011 08:52 AM (S59+B)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2011 08:53 AM (TATbF)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 25, 2011 08:53 AM (SB0V2)
Ha! Ha! Rush now pointing out that Obama not being in WI, proves that what Walker is doing must be polling very well with the voters in WI. Because if the voters were mad about what Walker's doing, Obama would be there with bells on.
Posted by: runningrn at February 25, 2011 08:54 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: timwi at February 25, 2011 08:54 AM (Sxt4Z)
Dipshit jihadi wannabe Chesser gets 25 YEARS
holy frijoles!
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I hear ADX Florence is lovely this time of year.
Posted by: Shoppy at February 25, 2011 08:54 AM (JpBHP)
It was a joke. Well, snark, anyway.
My point is not that an individual fireman would get paid for how many fires he put out, but that competition between two private companies trying to handle fire-fighting could cause problems.
Now, I suppose, if you wanted to handle them like a city contract- the city pays the company X million dollars per year to put out fires, and just lets them handle it from there, it could work, but I'm not sure how free from graft and corruption the City Contract model is, either.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 08:55 AM (RSqz2)
Help Us Obama-Won-Kenyanobi! You're our last hope...
Posted by: UNION THUGS EVERYWHERE at February 25, 2011 08:56 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 08:56 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2011 08:56 AM (TATbF)
90 Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Posted by: Randall at February 25, 2011 12:28 PM (foefc)
Eh...OK Then how do you essplain Rhode Island?
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 08:56 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 25, 2011 12:53 PM (SB0V2)
I wouldn't put up with that shit. After my return call, THEY would get THEIR phone disconnected.
Posted by: maddogg at February 25, 2011 08:57 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 25, 2011 08:57 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 08:58 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 12:56 PM (pr+up)
Guys, be careful. What you're doing might make poor Randy's head explode. And explosions are violent. So, if you haven't crossed the line, you're treading very close to violent rhetoric there...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 08:58 AM (8y9MW)
If not, doesn't that violate anti-trust or something, allowing only one entity to dominate a marketplace?
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 12:42 PM (pW2o
I was reading about a 'religious' work-around this morning. Have no idea if this works...
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 08:58 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 08:58 AM (uFokq)
The cities could be divided into boroughs and then within boroughs. It would be like any other job, you get rated by your superiors and you either get a raise or you don't. Most firefighters have another job as they work three or four days in a row with the rest off. so they install windows, do construction, go to school, they do a lot of other things and, if you are a firefighter and you buy a totally wrecked house for a lot less money, all the firefighters help you make it into a little palace. The only thing you have to do is agree to help them when they want to create their little palace. I actually have a friend actively looking to marry a firefighter.
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 09:00 AM (p302b)
Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Hello!
Posted by: California at February 25, 2011 09:00 AM (eXaEp)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 12:55 PM (RSqz2)
I did some work for a large fire dept. in CT several years ago. They use to joke about going to see Dr. Summeroff.
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 09:01 AM (VuLos)
Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Hello!
Posted by: California at February 25, 2011 01:00 PM (eXaEp)
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To be fair, kids in California are illiterate in at least two languages. So that's something!
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 09:02 AM (pW2o8)
I'm thinking I might need to buy a whole flat of pudding and a bulk bag of popcorn from Costco in anticipation of the Union meltdown against Obama. The 600 million dollar investments that they made in the last 2 elections just don't seem to be yielding much. Obama talked a good game at the start, but he's suddenly clamming up and he hasn't broken out his comfortable walking shoes and flown to Wisconsin yet.. Congress never did get card check through, and those waivers for Obamacare don't last forever...
Posted by: UNION THUGS EVERYWHERE at February 25, 2011 09:02 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 12:56 PM (pr+up)
Guys, be careful. What you're doing might make poor Randy's head explode. And explosions are violent. So, if you haven't crossed the line, you're treading very close to violent rhetoric there...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 12:58 PM (8y9MW)
I hearby denounce myself but only on the contingency that Randall go fuck himself.
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 09:03 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: Cortillaen at February 25, 2011 09:03 AM (KncNq)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 09:04 AM (uFokq)
I did some work for a large fire dept. in CT several years ago. They use to joke about going to see Dr. Summeroff.
Ah, I know Dr. Summeroff well. He's a good comrade!
Posted by: Dr. Smirnoff at February 25, 2011 09:05 AM (ihSHD)
nah, rumor has it that he's going to be out there on the picket line with them this weekend, it's a pretty strong rumor. Although makes you wonder if they are saying that to get more people to come out and then they'll say "oh we're sorry, he had scheduling conflicts, maybe next time, but stick around, there's hot dogs and beer later for you"
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 09:05 AM (p302b)
Would Wisconsin labor and liberals have as much power if the university and capitol were not in the same city?
Because the Trenton protests will be like protesting in an abandoned warehouse.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2011 09:05 AM (T0NGe)
Yeah, but VFDs are a whole different kettle of fish from an actual private company doing fire-fighting. And, again, my issue wasn't with individual fire fighters, it was with the company and people's inherent greed.
Not saying it couldn't be done, but there's a lot of difference in if your garbage collection has a snafu, and the people fighting fires do.
I'm as much a capitalist as anybody here, I think, but I tend to think that actual protection of the people type services (mostly police and fire fighting) need to remain the actual purview of actual city/county governments. You'd have to convince me of a lot of things before I just threw it open to full-on competition, and (as I said) I'm not sure that a city contract is significantly less corruptible than just having them be city/county employees.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 09:05 AM (8y9MW)
For firefighters, I'm sure there are periodic competency exams (practical and otherwise) that could be given, in addition to the standard sorts of workplace things like timeliness and organizational issues (maintaining equipment, neatness of workplace).
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2011 09:06 AM (pW2o8)
Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Hello!
Posted by: California at February 25, 2011 01:00 PM (eXaEp)Yea, California. Mustn't forget the good ol' People's Republic of California, where a large majority of public school students can't find their state on a map.
Posted by: MissTammy at February 25, 2011 09:06 AM (BebB7)
Posted by: Dr. Smirnoff at February 25, 2011 09:06 AM (ihSHD)
"I support a woman's right to choose..... To not join a union"?
Is this a properly civil way to engage my fellow Wisconsinites in dialogue, or will they really take it the wrong way?
You'll find the answer is "no", btw. Just like "my body, my choice" doesn't extend to mammograms.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 25, 2011 09:06 AM (nAOMZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer's twisted logic at February 25, 2011 09:06 AM (uFokq)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?
Posted by: Journolist at February 25, 2011 09:07 AM (iHfo1)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 12:55 PM (RSqz2)
I did some work for a large fire dept. in CT several years ago. They use to joke about going to see Dr. Summeroff.
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 01:01 PM (VuLos)
I understand that it may be difficult in the big cities, but thousands of small towns across the country do just fine with all volunteer Fire and EMT squads. The only problem I see is the danger of those wierd fire-bug guys speeding around town with the blue lights flashing, they are a real menace when a 3-alarmer is ringing!
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 09:08 AM (pr+up)
I honestly can't see why somebody would enjoy being part of a union. The union leaders are as fatcat as it gets.
If you're in a union and you like it, you're a chump who is being used.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2011 09:08 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 09:08 AM (p302b)
And that's their own fault, if they thought about it. Heh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 25, 2011 09:09 AM (nAOMZ)
Posted by: curious at February 25, 2011 09:10 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 25, 2011 09:10 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Bugler at February 25, 2011 09:10 AM (VXBR1)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2011 01:08 PM (T0NGe)
FIFY
Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2011 09:10 AM (VuLos)
If they're that easy to hurt, he needs to come around more. We can help him build up his resistance. Maybe then he can also provide some quality troll-age.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 09:12 AM (8y9MW)
I'm not sure even a narcissistic peter-principled clod like Obama is this politically tone deaf. Most Americans -- well, at least those that still have jobs -- have gone from being opposed to joining a union but indifferent to union members to being outraged at how they're being looted by lazy, greedy, fat-assed goons like the WI teachers and knuckle-dragging violent baboons with private jets like Trumka.
Go on Barry -- Scotty Ras needs a new record low in his approval index. Maybe you can help curbstomp a 5'2" teabagger while you're out there like all good patriotic American working joes.
Posted by: VJay at February 25, 2011 09:12 AM (gQ+XA)
Great, now the quality of education in Wisconsin will sink to that of right-to-work states like Mississippi and Alabama.
Hello!
Posted by: California at February 25, 2011 01:00 PM (eXaEp)
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To be fair, kids in California are illiterate in at least two languages. So that's something!
No, not true. The $100 billion we spent on remedial tagging is paying off. The graffiti are now correctly spelled.
Another liberal program pays off!
Posted by: California at February 25, 2011 09:13 AM (eXaEp)
no he just appointed a genuine union thug leader to something important. There's too much going on, can't remember everything but was a little shocked by the appointment.
Was that the recess appt. of Craig Becker to the head of the NLRB?
Posted by: Dr. Smirnoff at February 25, 2011 09:14 AM (ihSHD)
If you're in a union a Democrat and you like it, you're a chump who is being used.
FIFY
Posted by: MissTammy at February 25, 2011 09:15 AM (BebB7)
Randal at 74 - Wisconsin spends the most money per pupil on education of any state in the midwest.
In Wisconsin only 34% of eighth graders scored "Proficient" or better in reading. Of those 32% were "Proficient", only 2% were rated as "Advanced."
With the highest spending per pupil two thirds of pupils can not read at even the dumbed down reading levels.
Posted by: Have Blue at February 25, 2011 09:15 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: Amalgamated Brotherhood of Internet Trolls at February 25, 2011 09:16 AM (VXBR1)
I spent 8 years in California schools. I am certain they cheat their scores, because their schools are shit. A joke for the most part, with many just warehouses for kids, and this was over 30 years ago. I grew up in the AF and went to school in 13 different states, but nothing, nothing could compare to California.
Randall, you are obviously a victim product of public education. You should educate yourself before talking or just shut your stupid mouth. I can get my dog to howl if I want some pointless noise.
Posted by: maddogg at February 25, 2011 09:17 AM (OlN4e)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?
Posted by: Journolist at February 25, 2011 01:07 PM (iHfo1)
Just one.
Is his nap pillow fluffed by his staff or does he fluff himself?
Posted by: Barbarian at February 25, 2011 09:17 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Craig Becker at February 25, 2011 09:18 AM (gQ+XA)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?
Posted by: Journolist at February 25, 2011 01:07 PM (iHfo1)
Seriously? Ask him about the AG Obumbles accused of being crazy and then fired, I forget the old boys name. It seems everyone coveniently forgot about him.
Un-Seriously? Ask him about the hot-ass muzzie he is pictured here with.
Seriously.
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 09:19 AM (pr+up)
Yeah, like the Secret Service is going to pat down a thousand smelly anarcho-hippies. OTOH, when they get out the truncheons to clear the area for Ear Leader, everyone will blame Scott Hitler Walker...hrm....
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 25, 2011 09:19 AM (nAOMZ)
I'm sound as a pound. Sounds like you're the one with dementia.
Posted by: Gerald Walpin at February 25, 2011 09:20 AM (gQ+XA)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?
"Why aren't you and the other Congressional Republicans doing everything you can to force a Government Shut Down or major reductions in actual spending? Why, when the American people agree with your stated position (spending cuts) is your default actual position 'compromise?'"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 09:21 AM (8y9MW)
To be fair, a lot of that money goes to retired teachers' Viagra and free health-insurance-for-life for retired school board members.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 25, 2011 09:21 AM (nAOMZ)
Posted by: Meddler at February 25, 2011 09:22 AM (fCBw5)
For small towns, VFDs work great. For larger cities, not so much.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 25, 2011 09:25 AM (8y9MW)
Am assuming my FIL is getting incendiary things in the mail from his useless (state store) union.
You would not believe the things unions are sending out right now..........get yourself on a union emailing list and marinate in the crazy. Only 7% of the private sector workforce is union. Private sector workers have seen a tremendous decline in their pay & standard of living. Why do unions think the private sector is at all sympathetic to this national pity party being thrown by unions?
Posted by: Boots at February 25, 2011 09:27 AM (neKzn)
I was a volunteer fireman for 2 years, we didn't get jack shit. The thing is, nobody cared, the dudes there were there because they wanted to be, and because of that they were very good at what they did. We had a house bedroom fire one time. From the time the call went in, 5 minutes had passed, we were already on the scene and the fire was out. 5 minutes.... dedication like that can't be bought.
Posted by: Berserker at February 25, 2011 09:28 AM (gWHrG)
Posted by: Meddler at February 25, 2011 09:32 AM (fCBw5)
To be fair, a lot of that money goes to retired teachers' Viagra and free health-insurance-for-life for retired school board members.
Wait a minute, are you telling me that school board members in Wisconsin are getting insurance benefits?
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 25, 2011 09:34 AM (JxMoP)
Un-Seriously? Ask him about the hot-ass muzzie he is pictured here with.
Who says she's muslim? She's of Lebanese descent, that's all I can tell. In fact, by being of Lebanese descent in America, she's more likely to be a Christian. There wasn't a hijab even in the background. And she knows how to make love to a camera, steal the camera's money and have the camera come back for more.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2011 09:35 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 25, 2011 12:45 PM (pLTLS)
--Randall is I.
I could not resist. I kinda miss the union shill.
Posted by: logprof at February 25, 2011 09:37 AM (C8mwO)
Posted by: twig at February 25, 2011 12:29 PM
You mean like at #34 above?
Posted by: arhooley at February 25, 2011 09:40 AM (GrhFF)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?-----------------
Can your committee make any effort to prevent election fraud in 2012?
Posted by: arhooley at February 25, 2011 09:45 AM (GrhFF)
I did some work for a large fire dept. in CT several years ago. They use to joke about going to see Dr. Summeroff.
Ah, I know Dr. Summeroff well. He's a good comrade!
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I hold the cure to all your ills in my hand.
Posted by: Dr. Whackoff at February 25, 2011 09:47 AM (GrhFF)
Who says she's muslim? She's of Lebanese descent, that's all I can tell. In fact, by being of Lebanese descent in America, she's more likely to be a Christian. There wasn't a hijab even in the background. And she knows how to make love to a camera, steal the camera's money and have the camera come back for more.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2011 01:35 PM (T0NGe)
Muzzie, Christian, Budhist, Joooo when they look that good...I don't discriminate in the bunk.
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2011 09:51 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: bigred at February 25, 2011 09:53 AM (cX9pO)
I could not resist. I kinda miss the union shill.
Posted by: logprof at February 25, 2011 01:37 PM (C8mwO)
That's the downside of your learning to use proxies. Nobody can tell when you sock through a proxy.
That's like, cheating, or something.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain and Scott Walker Fan at February 25, 2011 10:06 AM (bxiXv)
Off subject a bit but I have the opportunity to interview Darrell Issa and am looking for 5-8 questions.
Morons got any?
Posted by: Journolist at February 25, 2011 01:07 PM (iHfo1)
Ask him how he is going to reinvigorate the IGs that Obama neutered.
Posted by: MSM at February 25, 2011 10:11 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2011 10:12 AM (WkuV6)
If the public unions keep scoring own goals like that in front of the public they'll be outlawed in all 57 states.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2011 10:26 AM (p05LM)
Posted by: Have Blue at February 25, 2011 10:32 AM (mV+es)
That's like, cheating, or something.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain and Scott Walker Fan at February 25, 2011 02:06 PM (bxiXv)
--Not using a proxy (perhaps the wife's mobile hotspot changes each time I start it up), just in Dallas for the past week. Still, glad I fooled some of y'all!
Posted by: logprof at February 25, 2011 10:34 AM (foefc)
Democrats truly live in a perpetual version of the Mad Hatter's tea party.
If Democrats are in power, the operative rule is for Republicans to stfu and get out of the way. We won.
If Republicans hold power, however, and choose to exercise their majority, the Democrats take the ball and go home until the Republicans capitulate to them.
The media applauds the Democrats either way.
If it were not for AoS and a few other non-Pravda media outlets, I would feel as if I were Jack Nicholson's roommate in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Posted by: RM at February 25, 2011 12:08 PM (1kwr2)
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