1

You mean Mitt is going to have to grow a set?

He's going to need a lot of fertilizer for that.

2

I really don't want him beatin' up on my boy Perry, but I don't see how he can avoid doing so.

Well, he's supposed to.  This ain't beanbag.

3 While at dinner tonight at Applebee's, I asked my waitress, Cuntessa Brewer, who would give Obama a bigger ass-kicking...Perry or Mittens.

She ran away crying saying that he ass wasn't that fat

Oh, and also too..foist?

4 T-Paw.....whadda man!!

5 Of course the trap in that, now, is the media's new headline becomes Desperate Romney forced into campaign re-think of that kind of thing.

Not to worry he is their dog so they will not attack him directly until after the primary.

6 The Iowans didnt like him attacking their Pastor Huckabee.

7 O/T:  No charges in the alleged Prosser - Bradley scuffle in Wisconsin.

8 One of the biggest clubs Republicans have in the bag is Obamacare.  Untill Romney comes up with a good answer for Romneycare he's done.  Perry can hit BO hard on it.  Romney can't.  Just the way it is.

9 The indispensable characteristic for the GOP nominee this time is a willingness to mix it up, and by mix it up, I mean eye-gouging, crotch kicking, and feces-flinging.  That's why Pawlenty is out, and Cain lasted as long as he did.  To many of us remember McCain playing nicely, while Obama went the Chicago way. 

Perry clearly knows how this game is played.  Romney needs to demonstrate that he does, and right quick, or it's over for him.

10 I have given Romney props on this before. If there is one thing I have liked about him, it was his combination of hammering Obama only, and dismissing his rivals as pretenders to the Alpha Dog throne.

I thought that would hurt him in the long run. Rather than work up a strong base of emphatic supporters, he choose to play the defacto winner, and by not engaging strongly he picked up squishy voters who like "civility" and "presidential image" but no one who would actually fight for him because of *strong* feelings that he is the best candidate. Sort of loosely attached non-committals. Now he will be forced to change tactics, and those loosely attached to him will shed off, making his condition worse before it gets any better; if it ever gets better enough for him to win.

I disagree, I think playing the civil center in an emotional race like this one, especially in the primary, where everyone has a bone to pick, was a loser from the beginning, it was just a matter of time before the loose attachment to his supporters was stripped. And he would never build the supporters necessary to man his call centers, and go door to door, by being supremely uninspiring.

11 Excitement has a new name.  And its name is...

Huntsman!

12 I hate auto-click with the red hot intensity of a thousand suns. 

There's no way I'm re-typing my brilliant comment (lost when the friggin' autoclick took me to some martini-related page). 

Short version: it's best for the GOP if Romney and Perry keep their attacks substantive and dignified.  I think they are both capable of that.  However, if it gets dirty, my money's on Rick. 

13 You know who this helps, don't you?

14

Romney is everyone's "safety school".  Everyone's second-best choice.  If he wasn't, then his place-holder lead wouldn't have evaporated the moment a real candidate challenged him.

Romney has only one shot at beating Perry, and that's for Perry to implode.

Which means Romney should stick to his strategy, slow and steady, and be ready to pick up the pieces should we not be able to get into the really good school we always wanted to go to.

15 it's best for the GOP if Romney and Perry keep their attacks substantive and dignified.  I think they are both capable of that.  However, if it gets dirty, my money's on Rick.

Yeah, but that's why Chuck Norris can be a nice guy.   Everyone knows he can rip your legs off, so he has nothing to prove and nobody challenges him.  There are real doubts about Romney, so he has to show that he can be dirty if (when) Obama goes that way.

16 Excitement has a new name.  And its name is...

Huntsman!

How the heck did he wrangle an invitation to the next debate?

17 I think Romney is screwed. If he goes after Perry, and makes it a Romney vs. Perry fight, he loses. Perry is more conservative, and the Republican primary electorate is very conservative. His best bet is to keep raising money, keep bashing Obama, keep investing in New Hampshire, and hope Bachmann or Santorum go after Perry and damage him and then split the social conservative vote.

18 Huntsman celebrates his daughters Indian heritage and manages kick ass economys. WHat a guy

19
"Romney" and "Alpha Dog" really don't belong in the same sentence.

20 Completely off topic....but the temptation to volunteer to work on Sunday is growing. I work in White Plains New York, and the eye is projected to make landfall in the general area.   Since I work for a rather large telecommunications company, with it's own back up power generation capability, and multiple redundant communications 'pipes', and working on the eighth floor...safely above any flooding risk, this would be a great opportunity, and kind of sort of safe too.

21 It's Romney who's too conservative, not Perry. Romney's the one who would "stay the course" and "reach across the aisle" to keep in place the Democrat policies that are destroying us. We need someone with new ideas.

22 Not with ya on this one Ace... Romney is just not going to cut it this time.  McCain ruined me on establishment GOP, ie, Dole..  The MSM would love to anoint Romney because if he's our nominee, IMO, he'll severely retard turnout and make draw a 3rd party run.

I'd vote for him if he was the nominee, BUT he is a NE GOP machine pol with lots of money and is not stridently pissed off about Washington being out of control. 

I think all of the GOP nominees should treat one another with respect and reserve all the attacks on Sir Golfsalot and the Democratic party ruining the country since 2007.  They need to be unified on the message that it's time to put the GOP back in control of government to disassemble the freaking trainwreck and push a rest button; ideally to 1912 please.

23

There are real doubts about Romney, so he has to show that he can be dirty if (when) Obama goes that way.

Rick Perry has the best chance for a Reagan "there you go again" moment in a debate with Obama.  Don't underestimate the power of the laconic personality.

Romney will come across as technocratic as Obama will.  Even when Romney tries to go for the jugular (e.g. "Barack Obama's dog food) he comes off as too scripted.

So far, Perry's the one to beat - and Mittens doesn't have it in him.

24 Huntsman is the Chinese speaking alpha dog.

25 I agree with Steevy.

26 I don't care about Perry and Romney... that sidebar item deserves a flaming skull and full post. The Ultimate Food: The Beef Jerky, Potato Chip Hybrid I'll never have to eat anything else again.

27 I can't comment on this until Jon Huntsman issues a statement.

28 It's Romney who's too conservative, not Perry. Romney's the one who would

Please let's not change the meaning of those words again. For me...Okay?

Conservative = Freedom loving, God fearing, proud American.
Liberal= Government loving, God replacing, proud Citizen of the world.

29 O/T:  No charges in the alleged Prosser - Bradley scuffle in Wisconsin.

Bradley should be happy that Prosser is willing to let the issue go.

30 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

31 Perry's got a lot more to worry about from Bachmann. She has to win Iowa whereas it was never in Romney's plans. If she doesn't win or place a very close second she's toast. I'm surprised you think Romney might be panicking. There was always going to be a Tea Party/Conservative candidate who came in and at least briefly stole the spotlight. If it wasn't Perry it would have been Palin. What, you think he has been building an organization for 2 plus years and hadn't noticed the political climate? Romney has built an organization to go the long route not try for a quick knock out in Iowa, NH and SC. He doesn't need to take on Perry, the media, Bachmann and the others will do it. And his record will take some of the bloom of his rose.

32 @16
To me a substantive attack can still show the nuts-ripping side of a candidate. 

I've never gotten the McCain "my friends" hit off of Romney.  I think Romney is closer to Perry and Pawlenty was closer to McCain with his pretend nice but some cheap shots routine. 

From what I've read, Romney was thought to be behind all sorts of dirty fighting last round.  I never followed it and don't much care, but I thought that was well-established.  So to me we know he can fight dirty. 

I guess I'd like them both to emerge looking Presidential out of this.  Partly, because shit happens and I agree with Truman North that Romney is our back up.  Also, I want to have the option of Romney as VP.  Looking at that Baseball Crank electoral map (I keep linking to his post but everyone ignores it so I won't link again), it really seems as though the Midwest is key.  Romney is a better campaigner than Pawlenty, imho -- fundraising wise and stylistically.  Also, I chortle with delight at the exploding Progressive heads with an Evangelical-Mormon ticket. 

I'd also like Bachmann to emerge unscathed as well, by the way. 

The rest, I don't take seriously as candidates and don't have big futures ahead of them that I can see, so I don't care what happens to them. 

33 i need a back up generator for the house anyone have a good recommendation?

34 Romney didn't attack anyone last time that I recall,not personally.His team was pretty dirty according to the other candidates.

35 per Hotair, Perry now up in Iowa 23% to Bachman with 20%.

Mittens at 16%.

By Mittens.

36 God replacing means building up a huge expensive military better than anyone elses because you're a fearful little man.

37 George McGovern chose Senator Eagleton for his vice-presidential candidate, and the press uncovered evidence of electroshock therapy and mental illness.

Somewhere the Vice President of the United States sticks his tongue to the poles of a nine-volt battery.

38

Democrat's are ineligible for critical scrutiny because they are members of the favored group.

See Biden, Joe and Waters, Maxine

39 I have long maintained that Romney had the front only because of name recognition and that around Labor Day he would start dropping.

I am not changing that. By Oct he will be a second tier candidate.

40 bye damned spelling.

41 Romney should just drop out already. He's embarrassing himself.

42 Stop hitting yourself Mitt. Stop hitting yourself Mitt. Stop hitting yourself Mitt. Stop hitting yourself Mitt.

43 i need a back up generator for the house anyone have a good recommendation?

Try a Huntsman!

44 35 i need a back up generator for the house anyone have a good recommendation?   Go buy one.

45
The Ultimate Food: The Beef Jerky, Potato Chip Hybrid

I'll never have to eat anything else again.





Sounds delish, but it's more accurately described as "The Penultimate Food." All other forms of sustenance pale before the power of bacon.

46 I'll support whichever guy can pee into Bill Keller's mouth from twenty yards. So, Rick Perry.

47

#23

"It's Romney who's too conservative, not Perry. Romney's the one who would "stay the course" and "reach across the aisle" to keep in place the Democrat policies that are destroying us."

-------------

Eh? That is not 'conservative'...that is spineless.

48

Thanks for reminding me, I forgot one.

See Gore, Al

49 rick perry looks a lot like reagan......and i like that

50 44 Romney should just drop out already. He's embarrassing himself.

How is he embarrassing himself? 

Herman Cain has embarrassed himself. 

Jon Huntsman has embarrassed his family. 

Ron Paul has embarrassed the human race.

I'm not seeing what Mitt has done to embarrass himself.  He's a very viable candidate at this point, just not the top one. 

51

Posted by: Gore88 at August 25, 2011 07:29 PM (S/qP2)

Does anyone want to diagram the grammatical, logical, and syntax errors in that post?  Or should we just leave it?

52

I hope they don't beat up on each other too much.

The important thing here is beating Obama in a little over a year.  I will dip my balls in pudding if that happens, regardless of whether it is Perry or Romney.

53 I think both Perry or Romney could beat Obama, but I think a Perry win looks like 2004, while a Romney win looks like 1980. Romney would probably be the favorite in Michigan, New Hampshire, and Nevada, for example. He could truly landslide Obama by running as a moderate-ish center-right guy who basically ignores divisive social issues that tend to turn off moderate/independent voters. If Perry is the nominee, and he only narrowly defeats Obama, then we may not have seen the last of Barry. He could try to pull a Grover Cleveland and run again in 2016. But If Romney is the nominee and landslides his ass, Obama is done. He'll have been Carter-ized.

54 God replacing means building up a huge expensive military better than anyone elses because you're a fearful little man.

Nah I just think taking oil is cheaper than paying for it.

55 The important thing here is beating Obama in a little over a year.  I will dip my balls in pudding if that happens, regardless of whether it is Perry or Romney.

And the people said, "Fuck, yeah!"

56 Sounds delish, but it's more accurately described as "The Penultimate Food." All other forms of sustenance pale before the power of bacon. I think of bacon as the ur-stoff, the precursor to all food, the platonic ideal of sustenance only dimly seen by mere mortals, as shadows in a cave. Sort of like what the Higgs boson is to the elemental forces. Yes, I have a Ph.D in Bacon Physics.

57 Say Palin gets in. Wonder what that would do.

58 56 Yes,the important thing is to beat up on the stumbling clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

59 55

Posted by: Gore88 at August 25, 2011 07:29 PM (S/qP2)

Does anyone want to diagram the grammatical, logical, and syntax errors in that post?  Or should we just leave it?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 25, 2011 07:33 PM (HUZDZ)

He's just a troll.  Leave it.  His are comments just begging to be trollbusted especially since his hash is in constant flux.

60

Does anyone want to diagram the grammatical, logical, and syntax errors in that post?  Or should we just leave it?

Posted by: Sean Bannion

Ignore it and it will get bored eventually.

61

I really don't get all the Republican's begging for the GOP primary candidates to duke it out.  Calling them "pussies" if they don't, and so forth.  I don't want damaged goods heading into the finals.

62 >>I'm not seeing what Mitt has done to embarrass himself. He's a very viable candidate at this point, just not the top one. He's leading with a huge lead in NH and also leading in FL. Two out of the four first states. He's also doing very well in NV, MI and a number of other states. Until we have a national primary, the only thing that matters is how candidates are doing on the state level. National polls have more to do with name recognition and who's got the latest press.

63 55 Leave it,like the steaming turd it is.

64 By the way--anyone else noticed the "Axelrodian" quotient on the blog has taken a decided uptick lately?

65 14

I did a lap dance for Jon Huntsman, and he didn't enjoy it.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at August 25, 2011 07:20 PM (Lt/Za)

If it was like your dancing from Zombie Strippers (streaming on Netflix), I can see why.  That movie was terrible, and you were a large part of why it was so very, very bad.  How can you ruin a movie that combines Zombies, Strippers, and Robert Englund?  Well you managed to do it.  I hate you, Jenna Jameson!

66

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2011 07:37 PM (7utQ2)

Yeah, it's easy to spot them because they tend to be illiterate.

67 I really don't get all the Republican's begging for the GOP primary candidates to duke it out.  Calling them "pussies" if they don't, and so forth.  I don't want damaged goods heading into the finals.

RINO.

68 God replacing means building up a huge expensive military better than anyone elses because you're a fearful little man.

Nah I just think taking oil is cheaper than paying for it.

I mean seriously, you would think those little countries would be saying "thank you".

69 O/T: I was doing my daily search on Google for the phrase "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure" so I could subsequently find and click upon the link to whitehouse.gov and, lowe and behold, the George Soros-funded Media Matters actually reported on Ace's post about the SCOAMF putting around on the golf course during the earthquake.

Congrats, Ace.

70

I mean seriously, you would think those little countries would be saying "thank you".

At some point I think you've made enough oil.

71 Sounds delish, but it's more accurately described as "The Penultimate Food." All other forms of sustenance pale before the power of bacon.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2011 07:30 PM (3AuGS)

Technically, if it is the "penultimate," that means it is only the second best.

72 70 sean bannion that's really mean because he speaks 27 different languages......./ channeling the gotham princess......

73 My IP address is dynamic like Jon Huntsman.

74

Sure, you may hate me, but you would suck my little boat cock.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at August 25, 2011 07:39 PM (Lt/Za)

Well I would be angry when I did it!

75

that's really mean because he speaks 27 different languages......./ channeling the gotham princess......

Thanks, I just had a cold chill run down my spine reading that. 

I'm sure we'll be getting the scoop from Long Island in three...two...one...

76 O/T  Heh.  Guess who?  From the hurricane thread:

304 One of my friends might rent a giant SUV and we might all drive out of the city tomorrow night.  When they mentioned closing the bridges at the presser, this freaked him out.

My parents tell me that they have never stopped the trains system wide that they can remember.  They also tell me they've never closed all the bridges.  Why are they preparing like this.  If they close the bridges you can't get off of long Island.

77 Btw, How likely a scenario is it where Romney's Iowa supporters switch to Perry in the 11th hour in order to stop Bachman? Currently Mitt is in third place so his voters may vote strategically.

78 Why can't he do both? That seems to be the best of both worlds. He takes shots at Obama, who is putatively above the fray and won't (and, really, doesn't have the intellect to)  respond, and he also takes milder shots at Perry, who needs to stay in shape and hone his message.

Politics is a contact sport, and if Perry can't handle Romney, then how will he do against the Democrat and MBM (but I repeat myself) attacks?

79 Romney should promptly announce a primary challenge to Obama.

80 Romney is showing the same fire and generating the same type of rabid grassroots excitement that won him the nomination in 2008.

81 Romney has built an organization to go the long route not try for a quick knock out in Iowa, NH and SC. He doesn't need to take on Perry, the media, Bachmann and the others will do it. And his record will take some of the bloom of his rose.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2011 07:26 PM (TMB3S)

 

Hmmmm.  Nope.  Don't buy it. 

82
>>> 74 O/T: I was doing my daily search on Google for the phrase "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure".....


WTF??? Holy shit check this out below... a link to Bing:

http://tinyurl.com/3douk27

Search for "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure" (in quotes) on bing, the FIRST RESULT is barackobama.com...  holy shit that is funny

83 Posted by: wooga at August 25, 2011 07:39 PM (2p0e3)

I bow before you.

84

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 25, 2011 07:42 PM (lGFXF)

Cynic.

You just wait, you'll catch Romney fever soon.

85

"I really don't want him beatin' up on my boy Perry, but I don't see how he can avoid doing so."

Our Clubmember Mitt ... resort to someting as ... provincial ... as public argument with a ... a ... Texan?

86 88 My life has meaning!!

87 Florida Romney would win a majority of voters against Obama, taking 51 percent to the president's 43 percent. (And that's even without Marco Rubio on the ticket.) The more encouraging news for Romney may be that he continues to lead Perry in the Republican primary, even as Perry has surged to first place in national primary polls. In the Sachs/Mason-Dixon survey, Romney takes 28 percent to Perry's 21 percent and Bachmann's 13 percent. http://tinyurl.com/3m3knws

88 Politics is a contact sport, and if Perry can't handle Romney, then how will he do against the Democrat and MBM (but I repeat myself) attacks?

I refer you to last year's gubernatorial nomination fete between Coyote Shooter and the sweet southern belle Hutchison.

RP cut her up like a sushi chef doing a blowfish.  He is not John McCain.

89

OT  I will admit to being somewhat surprised by the vehemance with which the crowd around here attacks Ron Paul supporters.  I only knew him as a libertarian and a little goofy.  I now have a slightly deeper understanding for your distain.  I was listening to Michael Medved, no fan of Paul, when he said in a previous election cycle Paul, after not winning the Republican nomination endorsed 4 people.  The people were Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin and CYNTHIA McKINNEY.  How detached from reality is this buttwipe.

90 Flipper is too calculating to get into a brawl with anyone. He lacks the focus and cocksureness.

91 @65
Yep.  There's a difference between the vetting we all need to do with the candidates to make our decision and a street brawl. 

I can win an argument with my husband nearly every time, but I'm only right about half of the time.  I'm just a much better arguer than he is.  I'm more aggressive, I think more quickly on my feet, and I fight dirty.  But after 27 years of marriage, I've finally started to learn that winning fights is not the most important thing.  And, in fact, it's not really that helpful to the cause of having a good marriage. 

I'm kind of hoping Romney and Bachmann focus on the purpose of this whole process.  Trying to win, but doing so on substance so that we are best-positioned, whoever our candidate is, for the general.

I have no such illusions about Ron Paul, the selfish little troll, and don't think the others in the race can do much damage. 

92 Romney is showing the same fire and generating the same type of rabid grassroots excitement that won him the nomination in 2008.

That would have been funny; if he hadn't lost to someone even less inspiring than himself. McCain has all the excitement of flavorless gelatin.

93

Politics is a contact sport

Oh come on, old boy. One-hand-touch sport at best.

94 Mittens be in for a bitchslappin' methinks.

95 #54

I'm not seeing what Mitt has done to embarrass himself.  He's a very viable candidate at this point, just not the top one. 

Romney from two months ago:

“I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that.”  The Republican candidate for President also said that Â“ItÂ’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors.”

96 89 Posted by: wooga at August 25, 2011 07:39 PM (2p0e3)

I bow before you.

Posted by: The penultimate pompous pedantonservative)) at August 25, 2011 07:43 PM (LH6ir)

Thanks to a hashtag check, I now have the image of a half-cocked Charlie Brown's Dildo.

97 Now you would think Huntsman would be in attack mode

He is...against conservatives, Christians, and competent scientists.

98 How detached from reality is this buttwipe.

Hey, the whole Iranians with nukes and heroin for all platform is beginning to grow on me.

99 Thanks to a hashtag check, I now have the image of a half-cocked Charlie Brown's Dildo.

that's just wrong...sick and wrong....

did sentences like this exist before the internet?

100 ID there some nefarious script running on the AoS pages? My processor goes into overload here lately.

101 ID=Is

102 Mitt Romney needs to just put on a CVC helmet, hop in the commander's hatch of an Abrams and get this shit over with. We already know you're a pussy, Mittens. We just need the pic. Photoshopped cornbrero doesn't count.

103

did sentences like this exist before the internet?

No, but then again before the internet "curious" was just a word describing an admirable quality.

Now it's a synonym for "idiocy"

104 My processor goes into overload here lately.

It's Ace's double posts.  Get more RAM.

105 Speaking of Mittens, the last post sent me to the MSNBsCrunt site *spit*.  One of the sidebar stories was "Romney's position on global warming".  My mind raced to doggy.  He wasn't on top.  Mittens gonna have to work to clear that dreadful image.

106

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 25, 2011 07:50 PM (lGFXF)

Nobody looks good in a CVC.  Some just look less worse than others.

107 No, but then again before the internet "curious" was just a word describing an admirable quality.

And Smithers doesn't even know the meaning of the word "gay"...

108 Just what America needs-- a zillion-dollar storm.

109 hmm.  I am seriously conflicted about Perry.

On the one hand, he is a charismatic guy, and that is good.
On the other hand, he is a Texan.  That will be used against him, fairly or not.

On the one hand, he leads a state that has been a jobs engine for the country.  That is good
On the other hand, he does have some crony capitalism problems.  The vaccine, the highway.  Sure they didn't come to pass but he still proposed them nonetheless.

And - let's just be honest about it - there is a lot of anti-Southern bigotry out there, where when certain people here a Southern accent they immediately think "dumb". These people are more likely to be in the states of the upper Midwest that are going to be crucial for R's to win.  Romney has the anti-Mormon bigotry, Perry has the anti-Southern bigotry.  I am not sure which is worse in the places where it is going to matter the most.

Romney is a safe, managerial candidate.  Perry is more of a risk-taking, swashbuckling candidate.  I don't know which is better when it comes to defeating Obama, which is my #1 goal.

Anyway, just throwing some thoughts out there.

110 If Romney is holding out for the Florida Primary to make a statement win, he'll be SOL.

111

stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. .com

re-routes to barack obama's campaign website

112 Of course he is going to have to take a swing.  Besides, Perry is going to need the batting practice cause there is going to be a lot of crap thrown at him in the general.

113

I can win an argument with my husband nearly every time, but I'm only right about half of the time.  I'm just a much better arguer than he is.  I'm more aggressive, I think more quickly on my feet, and I fight dirty.  But after 27 years of marriage, I've finally started to learn that winning fights is not the most important thing.  And, in fact, it's not really that helpful to the cause of having a good marriage. 

 

Well, there's that, plus the fact that you can withhold the booty. 

114

Romney is in a tough spot.  With what exactly can he hit Perry? 

That Texas has created too many net jobs over the past decade?  That there's been too much tort reform and too much spending restraint in Texas?  That Romneycare has been such a success?  That Romney's 4-year tenure governing Massashusetts makes him more qualified than Perry's 11-year tenure governing Texas?  That Perry's service in the U.S. Air Force pales in comparison to Romney's service, er, never mind.

Seems to me that Romney only has three options: (1) bash Perry over the vaccine issue (already old news), (2) get low down dirty and personal (not Romney's style and in any event bad form all around), or (3) run a positive campaign, avoid the mud and see what happens.

I suspect Romney will take the high road and will let the chips fall where they may. 

Barring a bimbo eruption or similar scandal I expect Perry will be the nominee and that he'll have it wrapped up early in the process. 

115 Just what America needs-- a zillion-dollar storm.

If Bush had built a 100,000 foot high wall around the country after Katrina like he should have, we wouldn't have to worry.

Note:  A variant of this argument WILL appear in the coming 72 hours.

116

Believe it or not I could care less if people want to put drugs or battery acid in their veins.  Now if you are selling or giving it to kids that's a whole different matter.     I also could care less if people want to sell sex.  No need to rehash those arguements. That's about the two areas of Libertarian thinking may have some merit. 

 I am with you on the Iran/nukes business.

RP is a goof and a phoney. 

117 97 So you are married to Ron Paul?

118 Romneycare = epic fail, which he won't renounce.

Texas = where the jobs are, and he can be proud of that being the longest serving governor in TX history (IIRC)

that is enough for me.

119 If Romney is holding out for the Florida Primary to make a statement win, he'll be SOL.

RUDY!!!!!

120 How is Romney going to attack Perry??  What is he going to say?  That Perry is too far to the right??  I can't imagine Romney saying anything about Perry that doesn't make Romney less attractive and Perry more so.

For the record I'm not a Perry-bot and will have to say something negative about Perry later for balance, as soon as I think of something.

121 He could truly landslide Obama by running as a moderate-ish center-right guy who basically ignores divisive social issues that tend to turn off moderate/independent voters.

This is neglecting one major factor that killed McCain in 2008. That is voter turnout.

All those red States that McCain turned blue will stay blue. Also, a few more red States in the South will turn blue as Republican voters stay at home..

The voters in the South will NOT vote for a liberal leaning Northeastern gun grabber.

If Romney gets the nod it WILL be a landslide, but for Obama.  And that doesn't even count the probability that the Tea Party will get together and run a 3rd Party candidate and we lose 18% of the Republican vote to that as Rasmusen said.

122 um, that should be Perry, etc....RELEASE THE RAPIDLY-TRYING-TO-TYPE-A-THOUGHT HOUNDS!!!

123 You wouldn't expect a tsar to have fast fingers.

124 Is Romney a gun grabber?I mean,he was gov of Maas and their gun laws suck but is he personally?

125 I've always preferred czar....looks more meanie....

126 Perry has already died twice...the Evangelical get-together followed by the global warming / evolution brouhaha.  He's done.  Toast.  As boring as it seems (and boring it is) we're stuck with Mitt (and who knows, Bobby Jindal?) instead of the much more appealing Perry and Rubio.  8/25/11.  You heard it here first.

127 >>If Romney is holding out for the Florida Primary to make a statement win, he'll be SOL. The statement will be in NH, the second primary, where he leads Perry 36% to 18%.

128 129 You wouldn't expect a tsar to have fast fingers.


That's what Monica said...

129 134 I can't stand to see O'Realleys smug face anymore.I avoid him like Obama.

130 132 Riiight,it's really showing in the polls......

131 Bill O'whatever's a douche...can't stand him either. Sarcastic prick of epic proportions.

132 Perry has already died twice...the Evangelical get-together followed by the global warming / evolution brouhaha.  He's done.  Toast.

Hmmm.  All available evidence says "You are totally wrong."

133 Perry is more of a risk-taking, swashbuckling candidate. 

Damn you, chemjeff!  Now I'm picturing Rick in a pirate costume and it's making me hawt!

134 I can win an argument with my husband nearly every time, but I'm only right about half of the time.  I'm just a much better arguer than he is. You also have the vajayjay.

135 Damn you, chemjeff!  Now I'm picturing Rick in a pirate costume and it's making me hawt!

well, I aim to please

136 _{Perry has already died twice...the Evangelical get-together followed by the global warming / evolution brouhaha.  He's done.  Toast.  As boring as it seems (and boring it is) we're stuck with Mitt (and who knows, Bobby Jindal?) instead of the much more appealing Perry and Rubio.  8/25/11.  You heard it here first.}

I call that mighty bold talk for one-eyed fat man.

137 Well if I was in Philly or NYC, I'd be buoyed by the intrepid mayors Bloomshit and Nutjob, surrounded by their shady cohorts. Man what a bunch of slimeballs.

138  Perry has already died twice...the Evangelical get-together followed by the global warming / evolution brouhaha.  He's done.  Toast.  As boring as it seems (and boring it is) we're stuck with Mitt (and who knows, Bobby Jindal?) instead of the much more appealing Perry and Rubio.  8/25/11.  You heard it here first.

Posted by: Rich at August 25, 2011 08:00 PM (yyLIB)

 

Yeah, you're right.  All those polls showing Perry with just a double-digit lead over Romney is certainly leading me to believe the evangelicals and the others have turned their backs on him. 

139 I call that mighty bold talk for one-eyed fat man.

Posted by: Reuben Cogburn at August 25, 2011 08:05 PM (4Kl5M)

Technically the sock should be Lucky Ned Pepper.

140 Damn you, chemjeff!  Now I'm picturing Rick in a pirate costume and it's making me hawt!

arrr, mateys....fetch the lard and we beginnin' the sodomizing....sans rum....

-Lord Urkel Hussein McPutt-Putt, destroyer of nations, taker of vacations.

141 OT:  I opened up a tab for The Other McCain.
He's not only linking/quoting Ace frequently, he's even got one for a DOOM post by Monty.

142 Technically the sock should be Lucky Ned Pepper.

Didn't turn out to be so lucky, did he?

143 That's not the real Rich!!

144 DOOM posts rock...

145 that is, in the information given that the Denver Post cares not to admit.

146 Without Obama there would be no DOOM posts (maybe doom posts though).The stuttering clusterfuck of a misreable failure has sped up the doom process.

147 COD on O'Reilly tonight A witch and a toad.

148 Search for "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure" (in quotes) on bing, the FIRST RESULT is barackobama.com...  holy shit that is funny

All hail the unknown moron that bought stutteringclusterfuckofamiserablefailure.com

149 arrr, mateys....fetch the lard and we beginnin' the sodomizing....sans rum....

Did you even ask rum if she'd participate?

150 I'm sure glad that Irene rainstorm thingy isn't interfering with Dick Soetero's Royal Vacation. He isn't fazed, unlike the wimpy governors of eastern seaboard states who are at work and staying up late. If Dick just took a nap for the next 24 hours, he would prove he exceeds Winston Churchill in leadership.

151 Perry has been running non-stop since he ran for yell leader at Texas A&M and has never lost, for any office, not even when he ran as a Dem. Mittens has run twice, once by promising to behave like a Dem, which he did, and once by hoping we all forgot, which we did not. Not even Obama won every time; he lost to Bobby "Chicago 7" Seale in a frickin House tussle. If Mittens goes after Perry, it'll be like those 'bum of the month' pre-championship bouts heavyweight boxers used to have: over in a minute or so. But it really doesn't matter if Mittens throws a few girly-man waves at Perry, or just runs and hides in his corner: everyone wants to see a knock-down drag-out no-holds-barred cage battle between Perry and Obama. Perry does not run to lose.

152

If Perry is the nominee, and he only narrowly defeats Obama, then we may not have seen the last of Barry. He could try to pull a Grover Cleveland and run again in 2016.

But If Romney is the nominee and landslides his ass, Obama is done. He'll have been Carter-ized.

----------

Really? This is where we are going in order to favor Romney? If Perry wins, Grover Cleveland returns? I have to admit, this is a new one.

153 @157 aaah, google has clearly not got on board, but we shall overcome because Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure

154 I did a lap dance for Jon Huntsman, and he didn't enjoy it.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at August 25, 2011 07:20 PM (Lt/Za)

Well.....as big a douchebag as he is,...I can't really fault him for that

155 Yikes. Jenna looks awful now.

156 146 I call that mighty bold talk for one-eyed fat man.

Posted by: Reuben Cogburn at August 25, 2011 08:05 PM (4Kl5M)

Technically the sock should be Lucky Ned Pepper.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2011 08:06 PM (7utQ2)

Fill yer hand you sonofa bitch!

157 When Perry gave a speech to our national council and told us AZ law was not good we applauded so loud

158 164 Pornstars don't keep their looks too long.Despite the restrative powers of semen facials.

159 Fuck, the formatting here sux...bigtime...its like an IKEA-style wrestling match you're forced into....

And those who complain can eat a bucket full of wet shit.

160 When Perry gave a speech to our national council and told us AZ law was not good we applauded so loud

And oddly, you applauded when he said that the Feds need to get the border secured as well.

161 Sarah? Hi. Yes, it's me. How are Todd and the kids? Right, I'll get to the point. I need a really big favor...

162 167  Pornstars don't keep their looks too long.Despite the restrative powers of semen facials.

Some more than others, I guess ...

163 171 WHY DID I LOOK!!

164 Here's the speech to La Raza btw.  HT to jwb7605 for bring the knowledge in an earlier thread.

165 @171 I don't think we meant horse semen.

166 Jon Huntsman is going to take the gloves off with Perry. They're fine Chanel kid gloves, ladies size 2.

167 toby 928 -- thanks!

I call that pandering, by the way.
It's only acceptable because he clearly promotes the state's rights aspect of it.

168 So, how many pages does the Axelrod anti-Perry troll manual have? 

Not even one.

You can fit the same tired shit on a 3x5.

169 173 Look,we know the R's need to quit pandering to these scum.The Dems should too if they have any patriotism(what a laugh).

170 Is Romney a gun grabber?I mean,he was gov of Maas and their gun laws suck but is he personally?

Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2011 07:59 PM (pV6cO)

Yes, he supported the Brady Bill and the banning of "ugly rifles".

171 There's no need for me to take my gloves off. The liberals will carry me to victory in your primaries.

172 Romney is in a tough spot.  With what exactly can he hit Perry?

He's a closet homosexual that sneaks out to look at naked chicks at strip clubs then proposition and bang them?

173 171 167  Pornstars don't keep their looks too long.Despite the restrative powers of semen facials.

Some more than others, I guess ...

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 25, 2011 08:23 PM (Qxe/p)

Damn you!  That was uncalled for.

I do wish she was still part of the WH press corps son Carney had to look at her every day.

174 Romney should just drop out already. He's embarrassing himself.
Posted by: Serious Cat





Mitt folded his tents on February 07, 2008 last time around, so that's the over/under for this run.

175 The poison of PC must be cleaned from the bloodstream of the body politic.

176 Sarah? Hi. Yes, it's me. How are Todd and the kids?

Right, I'll get to the point. I need a really big favor...

Posted by: Mitt Romney at August 25, 2011 08:21 PM (73tyQ) 

Maverick Mitt Romney?

177 Perry is told us he is so proud to have appointed a Latina to the Supreme Court

178 >>And oddly, you applauded when he said that the Feds need to get the border secured as well. Pretty odd that people here seem to be giving Perry a pass on his Dream Act. A couple years back during the great amnesty kerfuffle he would have been tarred and feathered. How come it doesn't matter now? Is illegal immigration off the table?

179 I call that pandering, by the way.

I don't disagree, but I understand why Perry would feel that he has to go and talk to them.  Personally, I'd prefer that he have those racists crucified and their ashes scattered at the Rio Grand, but I'm not the governor of a state where 1/3 of the voters are of foreign descent.

180 Perry has stated he opposes any immigration reform until the border is secured.

Yep, he's for wide open borders.

181 I'm certain that Perry's team has uncovered the secret for a Republican triumph in 2012:

Overwhelming support from La Raza, organized labor, and Ed Schultz.

182 How come it doesn't matter now? Is illegal immigration off the table?

No but it's not go/no-go either.

183 Perry is a stupid cowboy. Mittens doesn't have to lower himself. 2008 proved that Americans will not belittle themselves with uneducated white trash.

184 Perry is told us he is so proud to have appointed a Latina to the Supreme Court Posted by: La Raza

You think he should be ashamed?  Do you have a specific complaint with the appointee?  I really don't know anything about her but perhaps you can bring the knowledge to the morons.

185 It will be interesting to see if Romney attacks Obama with the same degree of viciousness and visceral hatred he does Perry.  These "establishment" Republicans seem to reserve the heart-felt, implicitly condescending stuff for conservatives, while their criticism of liberals and leftists always have the ring of respect and "hail fellow well met".

186 >>No but it's not go/no-go either. Really. So something that was the single most important issue 2 years ago no is pretty much a nothing burger. Good to know.

187 The premise of this post is lame.  Of course he will swing.  You people underestimate Romney.  Even if he doesn't win, but he will land punches and make it a good fight.  Stop pretending that controlling government and injecting Vitamin N =(no) into an 85% Democrat state isn't a terrific accomplishment.

188 By the way, that old rumor about Rod Stewart having a hospital pump three quarts of semen out of his stomach is utterly untrue. Besides, Helen Thomas would never let herself be outdone.

189 How come it doesn't matter now? Is illegal immigration off the table?

Until the economy comes back a bit, it's at least on the other side of the table, behind the butter dish.

It's so bad that "undocumenteds" are going back to Mexico.

190 Does anyone have a link to where Perry called for open borders and unlimited immigration from the south into the US?

Or is it just some sand in the Mittgina ?

191 It's so bad that "undocumenteds" are going back to Mexico. It would be hilarious if Mexico turned them back north.

192 Does anyone have a link to where Perry called for open borders and unlimited immigration from the south into the US?

Anything I could provide would lead to LGF, KOS, Media Matters, or the like.

And I already posted a pic of Helen Thomas ...

193 How come it doesn't matter now? Is illegal immigration off the table?
Posted by: JackStraw



Given that Mitt is halfway to an illegal alien anchor baby himself*, got to figure Perry is closer to the mark on this one.


*Mitt's great-grandfather ran to Mexico with his wives in 1885.  Mitt's father George was born in Mexico.

194 Houston Judge Eva Guzman, the child of an immigrant welder and cleaning lady, became the first Hispanic woman to serve on the Texas Supreme Court on Thursday when Gov. Rick Perry appointed her to the court. [ ] There, Perry hailed Guzman, 48, as “a strict constructionist with an unmatched work ethic” and a “principled conservative.”  Until she was quickly sworn in Thursday after the formal event, she sat on the Houston-based Texas 14th Court of Appeals, where she has written more than 900 opinions and gained a good reputation among local bar lawyers. Perry appointed Guzman to that position in 2001, and she won election to that bench in 2002 and 2004.  She is also a former Harris County Family Court judge, appointed in 1999 by then-Gov. George W. Bush and elected to the position subsequently.

195 To the greatest extent possible, Romney will rely on surrogates. Some, but not all, will be volunteers. This is politics as usual, dog bites man.

196 >>Until the economy comes back a bit, it's at least on the other side of the table, behind the butter dish. Used to be that people here noticed that having millions of illegals here willing to work for $$ Americans wouldn't was an economic as well as security issue. I guess times change for some. I'm sure it won't come up at all in the campaign.

197 And I already posted a pic of Helen Thomas ...

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 25, 2011 08:35 PM (Qxe/p)

Roast in hell for that, by the way.

198 I suppose when Perry brought up using Predator drones on the US Mexico border it was to help show the illegal aliens the way to the US.

199 Mitt's father George was born in Mexico.

Oh shit.  Here come the goddamn birthers.  Again.

200 132 Perry has already died twice...the Evangelical get-together followed by the global warming / evolution brouhaha.  He's done.  Toast.  As boring as it seems (and boring it is) we're stuck with Mitt (and who knows, Bobby Jindal?) instead of the much more appealing Perry and Rubio.  8/25/11.  You heard it here first.

Posted by: Rich at August 25, 2011 08:00 PM (yyLIB)

Still laughing...................

201 203 That's fine,I just hate the racial pandering.Why extra proud to appoint a Latina,be proud you appointed someone who deserves it of whatever ethnicity.

202 And Guzman is a Republican.   Justice, Supreme Court, Place 9: Eva Guzman (R)

203

Perry is told us he is so proud to have appointed a Latina to the Supreme Court Posted by: La Raza

Am I a Caucasia? or a Whitette? Waspa? Help me out here.

 

204 Why extra proud to appoint a Latina,be proud you appointed someone who deserves it of whatever ethnicity.

Because he was addressing Hispanics.  I'm sure if he was addressing the Ancient Order of Hibernians, he'd have some Irish-American appointment to be extra proud of.

It's politics.

205 Steevy,

I guess Perry thought it was ok to mention he was proud of appointing a conservative, hard working, apparently self made Hispanic woman to the Court, since the liberal stereotyping of Hispanics has them all as migrant farm workers.

Do you have something against Hispanics? 1/3 of Texans are of Hispanic ancestry. Good politics and a great choice for a justice.

206 Mitt's father George was born in Mexico.

Oh shit.  Here come the goddamn birthers.  Again.

You rang?

207 213 I understand but I don't have to like it.I wish we could get away from it.

208 I was just trying to find out if our poster La Raza was as bigoted as the real one.  The apparent answer is yes.

209 214 What did I say that was anti Hispanic?I don't like to inject race/ethnicity into every damn thing.

210 yet here it is being brought up as some sort of lame as attack on Perry.

Face it folks, he is the fucking front runner for the GOP. He will win the nomination. And he will beat Obama.

Deal with it.

211 I don't have to like it.I wish we could get away from it.

You and me both, brother.

I stated that some people see the fact that Perry is a career politician as a liability, while I can see a good side to it.  The tide is setting conservative for a while, so Perry will stay bought, I think.

*crosses fingers*

212

>> Pretty odd that people here seem to be giving Perry a pass on his Dream Act. A couple years back during the great amnesty kerfuffle he would have been tarred and feathered.

Oh come, he's not getting a pass.  It was a stupid law and it's a negative.  Perry's been less strident on immigration than I'd like him to be, he's not as awful as he could be.  He's been good on immigration crime and drugs.  Likely favors a guest worker program (I don't hate that idea).

It's a border state.  Over half the cars driving in the valley have uninsured drivers, Dallas County is still 25%.

All of us, you included, favor candidates who have negatives.  They're politicians, which is a great reason not to fall in love with them.

From my perspective, for my vote I mean, Perry has far fewer negatives than Mitt.  One positive Mitt has (to your earlier point) is Mitt's got more money and more early ground game, and with the exception of Bachmann hasn't had any real challengers.  That's changed for now, but it's only been 2 weeks.

For the record, if it's Mitt in the general, then I vote for Mitt.  But it'd be a blocking manuever, just like my vote for McLame.

Also the crony capitalist charge is one Mitt should avoid, it won't make him look better in comparison.

213 Perry has been my guy since before he entered the race.

214 I think T'Paw got out to soon by the way.  He must have had major money troubles.

215 what Steevy said....   ditto!

216 35 - get something in the 1.5KW class (still small enough to fit in the trunk of your car).  Get one with a starter (cranking those things is not fun).  With 1.5KW, you can run your fridge, TV, radios, fans & more, if needed.  However, be aware that you MUST change the oil after the first 5 hours of operation and then every day of continuous run thereafter.  A 1.5KW almost loaded to capacity will require about 5 gallons of gas every 8 to 10 hours. 

Last hint - leave it outside (Duh - CO2) and run extension cords through your window into the house.  If needed place something over the top of the generator to keep some of the rain off.  Good luck.

217 >>Oh come, he's not getting a pass. It was a stupid law and it's a negative. Ridiculous. Have you even been reading this and other blogs for the last month? It barely ever gets mentioned and when it does people shrug it off as unimportant just as they just did when you well know it was considered treasonous here and throughout the rightosphere not very long ago. Of course I know why. Perry is the conservative flavor of the day and he is getting the same hands off treatment Fred! got last go round. That's fine. But that's the truth. Of course there are regional differences and issues any candidate has to deal with because of the circumstances he governs in. I have been saying that since, well, forever. Romney gets dinged for his healthcare plan only about every 2 minutes here while it affects pretty much nobody. Truth is, people in MA wanted it and could vote to get rid of it at any time with a simple petition. That hasn't happened oddly enough. I've no doubt that Perry has less negatives from your perspective than Romney. You're a Texan. From my perspective, in the general, he has a lot more negatives. If nothing else he is being embraced strongly by the Tea Party when the Tea Party is sinking as fast as Obama in the public perception. You can read the polls as well as I can and you know that's true. But like you, if Perry is the candidate I will vote for him with the same enthusiasm you would for Romney. Or I would for Romney for that matter. They are all politicians, I don't love any of them. It's always a matter of who I think will suck less and who I think might actually be able to accomplish the things I want. So far, the only one taking shots is Perry. I think he might be the one to be warned. Sooner or later people are going to actually start looking at his record. I don't think that's going to be as big a win for him as you do.

218 Perry has called for Predator drones on the border, and securing the border before any discussion of immigration reform takes place.

Meanwhile, Romney has flipped again on AGW. Only took him two months. Squish of the month and such.

219 Perry's so called Dream Act that was passed in 2001 must be ok with Texans, considering it hasn't been overturned or Perry beaten in a election since then. It only matters in Texas, it doesn't impact much of anyone.

220 This web site is my breathing in, really fantastic pattern and perfect subject matter.

221

I never know when we're talking about you and me Jackstraw, vs. everybody else, so I'll confine my remarks to just me.  Yes, I know Romney was gonna get rolled on Masscare, he was a somewhat red governor in a deep blue state.

I get it.

All the more reason he should be campaigning on "it was a bad plan, it's created bigger costs, less access, problems".  Instead of, you know, defending it.

Romney's major problem is he's boring as fuck (I am now speaking to the general republican electorate).  It ain't a crime, but it's true.  He hasn't got much of a record to run on in contrast with Perry, even after his "record" becomes known, which incidentally I've been watching for 20 years so it's known to me.

Do I think Perry is more interesting to the general republican electorate?  I dunno, I have worried that another Texan isn't exactly a big plus on the national scene.  Hell, we're 0-1-1 on Texan presidents.

Still, he couldn't be less interesting than Mitt.  Not with a pulse.

222 Romney can let Big Media do his dirty work for him, but it won't help him much with the base.  We don't listen to Big Media anymore.

Romney can come out swinging at Perry, and pile on with Big Media.  We don't listen to Big Media anymore.

Either way, Romney loses. 

However, Romney can come out swinging against BHO and take the slings and arrows of Big Media.  We don't listen to Big Media anymore.

His best option is numero tres.  i.e. He needs to double down on his BHO attacks to take the spotlight from Perry.

223 Well I'm not sure why you should be confused about our debate when you take the majority view. Your view is identical to most here. When you say things like "Oh come on, he's not getting a pass" just as most here do when he demonstrably is, I guess I'm confused on why you're confused. >>All the more reason he should be campaigning on "it was a bad plan, it's created bigger costs, less access, problems". Instead of, you know, defending it. Of course. Because then nobody would be calling him a flip flopper. Rather, they would be saluting him and lining up behind him. No, what he should be doing is being even more aggressive in saying "This was a plan that was debated in MA for 2 years. I put my plan out there. Unfortunately, the legislature made many changes which I was unable to override because of their veto proof majority and Deval Patrick has changed it even further. However, the fact is the vast majority of MA citizens supported the basic idea of this plan as right for MA and now 97% of MA citizens have health insurance. Of course, I could have done nothing as Rick Perry did where over 26% of the population, most in the nation, have no healthcare but that was not responsible and not what the people of MA wanted." >>Romney's major problem is he's boring as fuck (I am now speaking to the general republican electorate). It ain't a crime, but it's true. He hasn't got much of a record to run on in contrast with Perry, even after his "record" becomes known, which incidentally I've been watching for 20 years so it's known to me. Yeah, and yet, that boring fuck is kicking the shit out of Perry in two of the first primary states. How can that be? Why is he racking up endorsement after endorsement? Why has he raised so much money? Could it be that the blogosphere doesn't know everything? Is Fred! now selling reverse mortgages? We just elected a celebrity president who sent tingles up the legs of many. How's that working out? I'm pretty sure most Americans are looking for competence this time around not tingles. I know you like Perry. I said that already. And I know his record is greatly admired in Texas. But Texas is not the whole country and what you consider interesting in Texas doesn't always play in the country at large. Ron Paul is a Texan, too. He's wicked interesting.

224 JackStraw should vote for Obama.  Apparently, high insurance rates are his goal, even if it is Medicaid.

225 Posted by: Beldar at August 25, 2011 08:36 PM (duTu/)

Hey, Beldar, I really enjoy your blog. 

226 "Sooner or later you run out of other people's money."  That is Massachusetts is a nutshell.

227 Hey Cooter- Perry took $6 billion in Obama Stimulus, federal money, to balance the huge hole in the Texas state budget while decrying out of control spending in DC. $6,000,000,000. >>"Sooner or later you run out of other people's money." That is Massachusetts is a nutshell. I think you mean Texas.

228 Perry leads Mittens 23-16 in Iowa.
Mittens campaign is wearing a red shirt right now.

Warming up in the bullpen, Leonard Mccoy.

"It's dead Jim".

229

>>  Your view is identical to most here

There's gonna be a fight now.

No, actually I know you do read the blog, and you've seen others (not in this thread) who've pointed to his position on immigration, which is crime-focused, federal responsibility-focused, and weak on general round em up and the tuition thing.  Allen what's his name and mpur come to mind.  So no, not everyone has an identical view on this.

But yes, in this thread, he's pretty much getting a pass on that.  So I take your point. I don't give him a pass on it, but I also don't think it's hugely the "immigration bugaboo" you're making of it, and certainly not the "hey this was the biggest shit EVER 2 years ago man".  Because state tuition rates for the children of illegals was not that argument.  At all.

>> No, what he should be doing is being even more aggressive in saying "This was a plan that was debated in MA for 2 years. (etc.)

Precisely.

>> Yeah, and yet, that boring fuck is kicking the shit out of Perry in two of the first primary states. How can that be? Why is he racking up endorsement after endorsement? Why has he raised so much money? Could it be that the blogosphere doesn't know everything?

Perhaps.  Or it could be he's been at it a hell of a lot longer than two weeks.  And as mentioned before, he (was) the most viable in a terribly weak pool of wannabes.  Frankly I'm surprised Bachmann is within a hundred miles of him.

>> Texas/Ron Paul

Would you like a match for that strawman?  Sheila Jackson Lee is from Texas too and she's also a fucking idiot.  If we have to dig down into whose elected representatives are more or less conservative... the next thing you know we'll be buying each other a drink again and I'll be asking you "why the hell do you live there again?" and you'll answer "because it's hot as fuck down there right now".

Also, stay safe from Irene my friend.  If you do the gig tomorrow, ask somebody to punch you in the nuts for me.  Thanks.

230 Hey, if we want to throw out Strawmen how about this.  Romney supported bailing out the Auto companies.  Oh sure he didn't support the bailout that they got but he was talking about how the government needs to help the auto companies deal with their entitlement problems, and what's the way the government usually helps?  Money.

231 buzzion what is that funny word used when a government controls a business?

Socialism? So Mitt the Squish is a closet socialist.

Who'd have thunk it?

232 >>There's gonna be a fight now. Ok. Let's pretend I'm the NY Jets and you're the Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna whip you like you're gonna get whipped in a couple weeks. >>But yes, in this thread, he's pretty much getting a pass on that. So I take your point. I don't give him a pass on it, but I also don't think it's hugely the "immigration bugaboo" you're making of it, and certainly not the "hey this was the biggest shit EVER 2 years ago man". Because state tuition rates for the children of illegals was not that argument. At all. Oh, but "Romneycare" was. Please. Nobody gave a wet fart about what Romney did in MA until Obama decided to make the federal gov't THE healthcare provider of all and then attempted to neuter Romney by saying, falsely, that he patterned his plan on MA. A) The plans are not alike at all and B) Obama turned the whole thing over to Pelosi and even he has no fucking idea what's in the plan. But you knew that and I have watched you jump to make those points. Or not. >>Perhaps. Or it could be he's been at it a hell of a lot longer than two weeks. And as mentioned before, he (was) the most viable in a terribly weak pool of wannabes. Frankly I'm surprised Bachmann is within a hundred miles of him. Wait. So the trumpeting here and far and wide that Perry is the new front runner means, what? Only good when it helps Perry? Last I looked, we don't have a national primary and Perry is up a couple points on Bachmann and about 7 over Romney in Iowa. The same social con Praise Jeebus state that Huck pulled his bullshit last time. Romney has not only not campaigned in Iowa it has been reported widely that he is "snubbing" Iowa and he is still in striking distance of the two social con candidates? Yea, I'll take that as a plus. >>Would you like a match for that strawman? Sheila Jackson Lee is from Texas too and she's also a fucking idiot. If we have to dig down into whose elected representatives are more or less conservative... the next thing you know we'll be buying each other a drink again and I'll be asking you "why the hell do you live there again?" and you'll answer "because it's hot a fuck down there right now". Nah, different strokes for different folks. We both know why jobs are plentiful in Texas. Low taxes and a metric fuckload of oil. Y'all keep taking in more people, sooner or later your taxes are going up one way or the other. That ain't conservative or liberal, that's just math. There won't be any stimulus to pay the bills next year, what then? Anyway, too bad you won't be coming here for a couple cocktails. Dumbass little breeze isn't going to stop me from cocktails by the ocean but I'm pretty sure Wiser will pussy out.

233 "Praise Jeebus"

Ah yes, more anti religious bigotry.

Didn't think a Mittens fan would want to talk religion.

234

The same social con Praise Jeebus state that Huck pulled his bullshit last time. Romney has not only not campaigned in Iowa it has been reported widely that he is "snubbing" Iowa and he is still in striking distance of the two social con candidates? Yea, I'll take that as a plus.

Sucking Ethanol Subsidy cock has probably helped him there.

235

>> Ok. Let's pretend I'm the NY Jets and you're the Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna whip you like you're gonna get whipped in a couple weeks.

That's the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever heard you say, and I've heard you say a lot.  We have a new kicker in camp, and everything.  Plus, Tony Romo played hide and seek in the woods, so we're ready.

...

Ok, how many points will you give me?

>> So the trumpeting here and far and wide that Perry is the new front runner means, what?

That Romney is a multi-million dollar funded fart in the wind.

>> There won't be any stimulus to pay the bills next year, what then?

The only viable answer is keep (my) taxes low, and bring more of those sissy corporations from CA and NY.  More jobs. And congressional seats.  Somebody has to fix congress, we're willing to help out.  Even with Sheila and RP.

>> Dumbass little breeze isn't going to stop me from cocktails by the ocean but I'm pretty sure Wiser will pussy out.

Sorry I couldn't make it this time, next time pal.  And bring Jackstraw.  I'll bet he misses the hell outta me.  Have fun, and cook your hobo to an internal body temp of 145 before eatin.

 

236 >>Dick Nixon at August 25, 2011 10:26 PM (fBpqg) You're an annoying little dope. You want attention? Ok, you got it. I was raised a Christian. I attended church every Sunday as long as I can remember growing up, my next door neighbor and best friend's dad was our Sunday School teacher. There is absolutely nothing Christian about the kind of religious bigotry the Huckabees and other evangelical bigots he and others like him have brought into politics. I despise the phoniness of it and those who practice it. It is the worst kind of bigotry, pretending your a Christian while practicing anything but it to slime your opponents. The shit Huck pulled in Iowa and beyond last cycle should shame anyone who actually believes the teachings of Christianity. It doesn't. And they aren't the type of Christians I want anything to do with. If that includes you, all the better.

237 You feel better now Jack? Wipe your tears, take a deep breath, and grab a handful of grow the f up.

Your little "Jeebus" comment shows a little bit of bigotry on your part.

As far as religious bigotry, are you referring to your boy Mittens? Mormonism has some pretty weird tenants and beliefs. However, his being a Mormon isn't what makes him a squish and soon to be out of the contention for the nomination.

He flip flops. His AGW stunt today shows it. Only took him 2 months to flip. Probably he saw Perry proclaim AGW a scam and reacted to it. He isn't proactive, he is reactive.

3rd place in Iowa won't kill his candidacy. But it will put it on life support.

Little Dope. Sort of describes your bullshit statements and fluff you spew. 

238

>> Low taxes and a metric fuckload of oil.

And a 12 year governor who isn't so stupid as to try to punish the production of the same in the interest of AGW-worshipping communists who merely switched badges to push the same friggin "punish America" agenda, but rather understands that energy production is one of the keys to growing our economy instead of killing it.

Unlike a dozen or more other states, who have access to supplies, but refuse to encourage their production. And the jug-eared fuck who shut down gulf exploration.  And gave Brazil a brazillion dollars for offshore exploration.

He may be "yee-haw", but yee-haw when it comes to oil and natural gas production, earns my vote.

 

That stupid Texan.

239 >>And a 12 year governor who isn't so stupid as to try to punish the production of the same in the interest of AGW-worshipping communists who merely switched badges to push the same friggin "punish America" agenda, but rather understands that energy production is one of the keys to growing our economy instead of killing it. Nah, a state who has never done that in it's existence. It's not like Perry invented it. Or did he? Maybe I'm wrong. Why don't you show me how Perry fought back against the state level powers who were dying to cripple the energy golden goose that has sustained Texas from it's beginning. I'll wait right here.

240 Come on now, this should have been easy. Where is the evidence that Perry went to war to fight against all those evil Texans who wanted to shut down the one thing keeps the Texan economy humming and actually had the power to do anything? Ok, I'll let you off the hook. There was no serious opposition to the oil economy in Texas. Texas would be a disaster without it. Just like Alaska, hi Sarah. And you know it. The day the oil dries up, oil states are going to have to figure out how to pay for all the services that black gold pays for now.

241

No, what he should be doing is being even more aggressive in saying "This was a plan that was debated in MA for 2 years. I put my plan out there. Unfortunately, the legislature made many changes which I was unable to override because of their veto proof majority and Deval Patrick has changed it even further. However, the fact is the vast majority of MA citizens supported the basic idea of this plan as right for MA and now 97% of MA citizens have health insurance. Of course, I could have done nothing as Rick Perry did where over 26% of the population, most in the nation, have no healthcare but that was not responsible and not what the people of MA wanted."

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Just a quick question, but it would appear you are making the claim that somehow it is the government's job to make sure that people have health insurance? And when exactly did this line of thinking become common-place in the conservative movement?

242 Actually Ace, it's ok for Romney to give Perry some trouble, we don't a pansy for the GOP nominee.  Not that Perry is a pansy given Texas politics.  Hot house plants don't tend to do well outside in the real world, so toughening up Perry with some liberal shots from Romney would be reasonable primer.  When Perry puts on the game face with Obama after the primaries, you know Obama's crazies are not going to be holding back, in fact his Truther friends have already let lose on a bunch of nonsense in the hope something gets traction. 

243 I'm still waiting for a Romney guy to tell me something good about Romney. All of their arguments center around everyone else not being good. Perry is from Texas. Bachmann is crazy. This guy doesn't have experience. That guy is polarizing. Great. But instead of telling me everyone else's negatives, give me a positive about Mitt Romney. Oh, and make it an actual conservative positive, not this stuff about "appealing to the middle." Great, I'm not the middle. I want to know how he should appeal to me, the conservative.

244 And I see JackStraw resorted to the what is fast becoming a norm among Romney guys, the religious bigot cry. It's identical to the left's position that the only reason people don't like Obama is because he's black. Well, of course, the only reason people don't like Romney is because he's a Mormon. What an easy way out.

245 >>Just a quick question, but it would appear you are making the claim that somehow it is the government's job to make sure that people have health insurance? And when exactly did this line of thinking become common-place in the conservative movement? I'm pretty much based on the planet earth. On this planet, Medicare and Medicaid and multiple federal rulings that have made it law that hospitals that receive any federal funding, which for all intents and purposes mean all hospitals, must treat anyone who shows up at their doors for any reason. This includes illegals. Honest. Ask Rick Perry. You knew this, right?

246

Jackstraw, if oil is the only thing that keeps our economy producing the only goddam job growth any state with natural resources has, then why is California drying up?

 

Any supposition?

If Perry and the rest of our legislature, let's spread the credit around, wasn't stupid enough to go along with the EPA, then why is that a negative for Perry?

He didn't call them "fuckheads"?  You require evidence that Perry encouraged the positive job and economic growth that actually happened here? 

 

You know what?  The electorate will not need your "required evidence".  The evidence itself, even if he didn't have fuck all to do with it, it will still resonate.

 

Bet me.

 

247 So, Rich, just a quick question. Now that you have been schooled on your lack of understanding of current law, what's your solution? Please don't say something intensely stupid like Tea Party Rules!!. Try hard to come up with something that sounds plausible meaning it can pass in Congress not just something that makes you want to stroke yourself. Let's hear it.

248 >>Jackstraw, if oil is the only thing that keeps our economy producing the only goddam job growth any state with natural resources has, then why is California drying up? Holy shit. Two hours and that's what you come up with? California sucks more than us? No wonder the Cowboys are a leading indicator of how far you are going down. You know what, the electorate you speak of is in for a world of hurt. You keep pretending that your budget deficit wasn't made up by $6 billion of those federal Stimulus dollars you Texans insist you never need. OK. I asked before, I will ask again. You slashed your state budged this year to the bone. You laid off lots of state workers. You still needed billions from the feds. Where does that money come from next year?

249 Tick tock.

250 You guys said this was easy. Tick tock.

251 As I thought. Big hat, no cattle. I'm looking forward to the debates.

252

Sorry, I didn't know you were waiting on me and I decided to sleep.  Good call by me.

Here.  Most new jobs in healthcare, then professional services.  Plus all the other common criticisms of Perry, enjoy.

To answer your question, I suppose then we'd have cut (or will) $27BB from the budget instead of the $21BB we did. Perry never said he wouldn't accept federal money, he did refuse to accept $555MM in stimulus funding because of all the Obama-strings attached, mostly payoffs to unions.

This is a net benefit to Romney, why again?  Did he ever take a dollar from DC while he was governor?

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Yeah, I thought so.