April 08, 2011
— Ace Prudence? Or pandering to the angry left?
I have to say "prudence," actually. A probe into the matter is justified; there was definitely a major mistake made here, and if there is serial incompetence, someone needs to be out of a job.
Everything looks on the up-and-up, but if the shoes were on the other foot, and 7000 votes had been entered late for Kloppy, I sure would have wanted a probe, and would have been outraged had there not been one.
So I guess I'm okay with this.
"We're going to do a review of the procedures and the records in Waukesha before we certify the statewide results," Haas said."It's not that we necessarily expect to find anything criminal. But we want to make sure the public has confidence in the results,"
Yes, it is important to make sure there were no shenanigans and, assuming there weren't, that the public knows that the possibility of shenanigans has been examined and no shenanigans have been found.
I'm not afraid of the probe because it seems like it will just confirm what we think we already know -- honest error, and now the numbers are accurate.
I have a feeling that if the shoes were reversed on this point, the left would be baying, because they would definitely not have the confidence I do in the cleanness of the vote. They would be very worried indeed what any probe might turn up.
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Posted by: Greg's self-asphyxiating cockrope at April 08, 2011 12:14 PM (DL2qi)
In other news, Thad McCotter is rocking out with his co....er...not thinking about that. Anyway, he had fun on the House floor today.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 08, 2011 12:15 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Truman North at April 08, 2011 12:18 PM (8ay4x)
Posted by: cardboard bear at April 08, 2011 12:18 PM (0HwSE)
Posted by: jeannie at April 08, 2011 12:20 PM (GdalM)
Considering how the votes effect the election, i think this is a good idea. It'll help kill the "it was stolen" panic a bit.
The votes were legit. An entire town didn't forget to vote. Also i read an article where AOL News had actually gotten the correct numbers, but the AP didn't.
Just consider this a formality.
Posted by: Ben at April 08, 2011 12:20 PM (wuv1c)
That clerk must be a real moron. How the hell can your JOB be to monitor the voting results in a county, and not realize that totals are off by 10%, despite all the preliminary info you would've had about turnout, etc.
If you suck at math, you probably shouldn't run for a job that requires lots of it.
All that being said, kudos to her stupidity for driving the left even more insane.
Posted by: buzz at April 08, 2011 12:21 PM (i27M5)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 08, 2011 12:21 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:21 PM (uFokq)
So yeah.. have some Democrats certify it just to shut them all up.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 08, 2011 12:22 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: beasn at April 08, 2011 12:22 PM (aiWtu)
Posted by: ace at April 08, 2011 12:23 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at April 08, 2011 12:24 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:24 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: toby928™ at April 08, 2011 12:24 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:25 PM (uFokq)
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Dayum. Maybe it will be available on video so I can play it over and over again.. in slow motion..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 08, 2011 12:26 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Damiano at April 08, 2011 12:26 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: dagny at April 08, 2011 12:26 PM (hKbRi)
>>>aybe I'm completely wrong on this, but from what I understand the votes were there all along, they just weren't sent to the AP so THEIR count was wrong.
that's not how I understood it.
Posted by: ace at April 08, 2011 04:23 PM (nj1bB)
At one point in the press conference, the clerk explicitly noted that the mistake was in the numbers reported to AP, and that the actual vote totals were not affected. IIRC, this was a minute or so before the old bat Democrat endorsed the canvass result. I'll have to look at the video again.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2011 12:27 PM (9daa6)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:27 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Monty at April 08, 2011 12:27 PM (4Pleu)
How the hell can your JOB be to monitor the voting results in a county, and not realize that totals are off by 10%, despite all the preliminary info you would've had about turnout, etc.
Althouse and others IMMEDIATELY noticed the numbers didn't make sense. But the election officials took a couple days to figure it out and the media never noticed.
<sigh>
Posted by: The Mayans at April 08, 2011 12:27 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: dagny at April 08, 2011 12:28 PM (hKbRi)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 12:29 PM (TMB3S)
I don't think we should extend them any courtesy they wouldn't extend us. Therefore:
They are unwilling to accept defeat and are trying to steal the election.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 08, 2011 12:29 PM (TpXEI)
She's an elected official. This "probe" is pretext to having her forcibly removed from office.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 12:29 PM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at April 08, 2011 12:29 PM (2PTT7)
I have a feeling that if the shoes were reversed on this point, the left would be baying, because they would definitely not have the confidence I do in the cleanness of the vote. They would be very worried indeed what any probe might turn up.
Because the left is comprised of serial swindlers, fraudsters, and cheats. You fear what you know.
Posted by: MWR at April 08, 2011 12:30 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 12:31 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: maddogg at April 08, 2011 12:32 PM (OlN4e)
Warning NYT link, worth reading to hear and feel the bitter tears!
http://tinyurl.com/67ymd4d
How you like the taste of our ass now, bitches?
Posted by: Kemp at April 08, 2011 12:32 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: joncelli at April 08, 2011 12:33 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 08, 2011 12:34 PM (cDRYC)
Posted by: ace at April 08, 2011 04:24 PM (nj1bB)
I call Bull on that. The clerk didn't report the error until SHE found it. AOL could NOT of had the numbers, unless they had poll watchers at each poll calling the numbers in. Didn't happen.
Posted by: Kemp at April 08, 2011 12:35 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: maddogg at April 08, 2011 12:35 PM (OlN4e)
BTW, Klop, enter and probe are 3 words that should never appear in the same sentence.
could be worse.
Posted by: Hanging Chad at April 08, 2011 12:35 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 12:35 PM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Harry Reid's Wrinkled Ass at April 08, 2011 12:36 PM (CHrmZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:36 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 12:36 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Rocks at April 08, 2011 12:37 PM (Q1lie)
That was written so well I could see the ghetto chick head bob in my minds eye. Kudos to you sir.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 08, 2011 12:37 PM (tf9Ne)
that's not how I understood it.
Posted by: ace at April 08, 2011 04:23 PM (nj1bB)
At one point in the press conference, the clerk explicitly noted that the mistake was in the numbers reported to AP, and that the actual vote totals were not affected. IIRC, this was a minute or so before the old bat Democrat endorsed the canvass result. I'll have to look at the video again.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2011 04:27 PM (9daa6)
Just checked the video. Its a few minutes after the Dem endorses the canvass, at 15:58 in the press conference.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2011 12:37 PM (9daa6)
Link is NOT to AOL, it is to local newspaper/blog. They might of had someone at the convention center collecting the numbers.
AP was on top of it! Actually, this is sooo sweet. Koppenclinger is now going to live on with Dewy.
Posted by: Kemp at April 08, 2011 12:38 PM (JpFM9)
Are you saying that the candidates get the results from the AP and not the election board? Because it seems that they were as surprised by the change in total as everyone else.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at April 08, 2011 12:38 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Soona at April 08, 2011 12:38 PM (O3m/l)
Posted by: Deathknyte at April 08, 2011 12:38 PM (DSg25)
Posted by: dagny at April 08, 2011 12:39 PM (hKbRi)
If the mistake was innocent, it resulted from a lack of transparency. Ms. Nickolaus has long been criticized for keeping her countyÂ’s election data on private office computers that are not part of the county network. But of equal concern is her decision to no longer report the individual breakdown of results from cities in her county on her officeÂ’s website. If she had, everyone could have seen that the city of Brookfield was listed as reporting that no votes had been cast. In addition, Ms. NickolausÂ’s office never reported what percentage of the countyÂ’s vote had been counted at any point on election night.
Found at Gay Patriot, linked from InstaP, it's a quote from John Fund in an article available only with a subscription.Posted by: Mama AJ at April 08, 2011 12:39 PM (XdlcF)
If the mistake was innocent, it resulted from a lack of transparency. Ms. Nickolaus has long been criticized for keeping her countyÂ’s election data on private office computers that are not part of the county network. But of equal concern is her decision to no longer report the individual breakdown of results from cities in her county on her officeÂ’s website. If she had, everyone could have seen that the city of Brookfield was listed as reporting that no votes had been cast. In addition, Ms. NickolausÂ’s office never reported what percentage of the countyÂ’s vote had been counted at any point on election night.
Found at Gay Patriot, linked from InstaP, it's a quote from John Fund in an article available only with a subscription.
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 08, 2011 12:39 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Crusty at April 08, 2011 12:40 PM (qzgbP)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2011 12:40 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 12:40 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 08, 2011 12:41 PM (SB0V2)
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Posted by: dagny at April 08, 2011 12:42 PM (hKbRi)
Posted by: Mac at April 08, 2011 12:42 PM (uehxp)
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Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 08, 2011 12:43 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 12:43 PM (5Rurq)
FWIW, If anyone wants to go back and look at the election thread for that night, I commented on that county going from 30 precincts remaining to all in with NO CHANGE in the vote totals.
Glad they caught it, now we need to worry about that last precinct in Dane county 'discovering' a few thousand ballots in thier copy machine tray.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at April 08, 2011 12:44 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: AP at April 08, 2011 12:44 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: dananjcon at April 08, 2011 12:45 PM (pr+up)
Are you saying that the candidates get the results from the AP and not the election board?
AP reported on the unofficial tally:
Nickolaus explained that when she got Brookfield's results the second time in the correct format, she failed to save it. So when she totaled the results for the unofficial final report Tuesday, Brookfield's total was not included and she didn't realize it.
They release this unofficial tally to the media. But the Brookfield person reported her numbers to the media, too, so that's why different media organizations could have had diff numbers, I guess.
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 08, 2011 12:45 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Jerry at April 08, 2011 12:45 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: fluffy gets reeled in at April 08, 2011 12:46 PM (4Kl5M)
All of the polls showed Kloppenburg with comfortable margins, yet all of a sudden lots of votes show up to upset the apple cart. How many dead people voted in this election?
I would teach all of you bastards a lesson, but I have a date with a very intelligent woman I met on-line. Her name is Kay, and she lives in Maine.
Posted by: Greg's vagina at April 08, 2011 12:47 PM (LH6ir)
The way I read it, the clerk submitted the results before hitting "save" on her spreadsheet, so the vote tallies for the last entry weren't included.
Waiting until the matter is fully investigated before certifying the results is probably a good idea. It'll make the lefty cries of "Rethugs stole the election!!11!!" that much sweeter.
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Posted by: Not a Nigerian Scammer at April 08, 2011 12:50 PM (c45xH)
As far as fraud goes, it is possible that Diebold manufactured a new city overnight
Chaddaquiddick?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2011 12:50 PM (9daa6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 08, 2011 12:52 PM (cDRYC)
Posted by: maddogg at April 08, 2011 12:52 PM (OlN4e)
That face would make Krylon run.
Posted by: Johnny Bench at April 08, 2011 12:56 PM (5Rurq)
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Posted by: Soona at April 08, 2011 12:58 PM (O3m/l)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 08, 2011 12:58 PM (cDRYC)
Kloppy's so ugly you can tell if her hat blew off or her pants fell down...
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at April 08, 2011 01:00 PM (BPl2/)
I am cheered by the mathematician/statistical analysis saying adding these numbers makes the turnout/county/partisan split numbers look right (and they look wrong without it). But I'm not so confident as to believe this will be the end of it by any margin.
Posted by: gekkobear at April 08, 2011 01:00 PM (X0NX1)
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Posted by: Jean at April 08, 2011 01:02 PM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Soona at April 08, 2011 01:02 PM (O3m/l)
Posted by: Stirner at April 08, 2011 01:03 PM (nTjSs)
That's why I told Dave Wiegel to go horsefuck, yesterday.
Posted by: Soothsayer Maximus at April 08, 2011 04:25 PM (uFokq) Back off dude. I only horsefuck on the weekends. It gives my plumbing a chance to recover IYKWIMAIKTYD.
Posted by: Dave Weigel, Horsefucker Esquire at April 08, 2011 01:03 PM (EYqhE)
Posted by: bigred at April 08, 2011 01:12 PM (WaOfA)
I think the error<p>Might not have been so "honest"<p>more like sandbagging.<p><p>
That said... I like it! Hold off your ace in the hole until the enemy finishes with his vote fraud and has declared (surprise, surprise) a narrow victory. Then drop da bomb!
They won't be able to call us The Stupid Party anymore if we're going to get that clever!
Posted by: Haiku Guy at April 08, 2011 01:26 PM (jYjQj)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 08, 2011 01:27 PM (Pzf4N)
"...if there is serial incompetence, someone needs to be out of a job."
Huh? I thought we were talking about the govt, here.
But this reminds me. They promised to look into those doctors that were giving out phoney excuses. Did they? I expect not. They promised to punish teachers who had the phoney sick calls? How many got in trouble? I suspect not many.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 08, 2011 01:31 PM (2lTU+)
Posted by: momma at April 08, 2011 01:33 PM (penCf)
Posted by: momma at April 08, 2011 01:33 PM (penCf)
Which part of this giant bullcookie am I supposed to like?
Posted by: Clint Lovell at April 08, 2011 01:46 PM (JCBkU)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 08, 2011 01:52 PM (Pzf4N)
@26: " if the shoe had been on the other foot, conservatives would have been baying for blood right now."
Conservative voters, maybe. "Conservative" politicians and party aparatchicks? Not so much.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 08, 2011 01:58 PM (xy9wk)
The problem is, who does the investigating? Should be a jury-like process, not carefully-selected insiders.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 08, 2011 02:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 08, 2011 05:52 PM (Pzf4N)
Thank you. I've only been catching bits of the news and AoS this week, so I was really confused.
Posted by: momma at April 08, 2011 02:04 PM (penCf)
In any event, it also seems like an easy way for Kloppenburg to get her recount for free.
Posted by: Have we heard from King County yet? at April 08, 2011 02:07 PM (kGCjj)
Posted by: Ken James at April 08, 2011 02:10 PM (hubIw)
She's an elected official. This "probe" is pretext to having her forcibly removed from office.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted by: Andy at April 08, 2011 04:29 PM (5Rurq)
Yes, her one-off election system needs to be 86'd, along with her employment as County Clerk. Nothing to see in terms of fraud, but plenty to see and correct in terms of incompetence.
She should resign so her taint of failure can be swept away. County Clerks can not afford to let even the appearance of impropriety affect their offices.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 08, 2011 02:19 PM (XBM1t)
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Posted by: full lace wigs at April 08, 2011 03:33 PM (QCCor)
I finally saw a picture of Kloppenburg on Fox...mother of God, she looks like one of those faces of meth unfortunates.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 08, 2011 03:43 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: sodak at April 08, 2011 07:09 PM (EaKpn)
I like it. I hope Walker or someone in his office follows through on this.
Posted by: Museisluse at April 08, 2011 04:08 PM (xrmna)
Milwaukee County actually had a pretty big correction of it's own during it's canvassing today, giving Kloppenburg over 500 net votes.
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