Elections shma-lections, Is it too early for a cocktail?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at April 06, 2011 07:13 AM (fjoLg)

I guess I should have put in the old sarc tag there

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I'm waiting to hear the stories of voter intimidation, so that Eric Holder can sit in his hands and tell us whats good for his people.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 06, 2011 07:52 AM (Er/am)

This is called "rocking the vote."

55 You had me going for just a bit until you dropped Scuzzy-flabba's name.  Bad form - you should have gone for more subtlety and tried Jack Kemp or George H.W. Bush.

49  Even if Prosser loses, so long as the bill survives, that's the end of it.  Union money is the key, and it's why they were consumed with bloodlust over it.

The "Scott Walker plan" energized liberals, apparently, to get less than 50% of the vote in an election that was framed in no uncertain terms as a referendum on Walker's union-related public policy.  Wisconsin has bright days ahead if the conservative grassroots there can bear the weight of the liberal union juggernaut in an election as seemingly trivial as this.

Posted by: McLovin at April 06, 2011 08:12 AM (j0IcY)

I'm not disagreeing with you, in general.  Just sayin' Detroit is an extra-special case.

Nice try stickety, but, like so many of your ilk, you are blind to the landscape outside your little lefty world. Don't feel bad.... allegedly brilliant college professors do it all the time.

First off, Prosser is ahead right now. There is a good chance he will still lose, for all sorts of reasons, some nefarious.... but he is ahead. This is no victory for the unions/Dems. No way. You threw everything, and I mean everything at this race, while Repubs around the country tore their hair out over their party's tepid effort. And this is what you got for it? This??  And we're supposed to be scared of this?!?!

Then, there's everything outside of Wisconsin. While you've been focused on the cheese, have you won even one victory on this front outside of Wisconisin? Your own..... Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, etc etc. Just one? Name it.

Back to this case. If JK wins by twenty votes or whatever, is she in good stead to not recuse herself from the huge question that got her in office? Methinks that will go to the SOTUS in the end, and there the left will have to prove their case, not the right. How long will all that take to sort itself out? Meanwhile, Walker will stroll merrily along.

Face it, even if JK wins, it'll be a victory, but you needed a BIG victory.... one that would rattle Republicans all across the land.

And this, my friend, ain't it.

; margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal">71Well, I've always voted Republican until yesterday. I voted for Kloppi because Walker is the Devil spawn and Prosser is his evil sidekick. Their extreme policies made me change to a Democrat....

69The fiction that judges need to be 'independent from public pressure' has allowed the legal class to act above the law. 

bingo. Its the big lie on which the rule of the oligarchs rests. Astonishing really that a people who believe in their bones that they are self-governing would tolerate a system in which unelected mandarins with life tenure claim the final say on all disputes of consequence.

Posted by: Russell at April 06, 2011 08:19 AM (SrXsf)

Heh...you're funneh.

Top story on my Comcast home page today is about the looming government shutdown, accompanied by this flattering picture of John Boehner.

They're shameless.

Chi-town, correct me if I am wrong, but only one recall race has as of yet garnered enough signatures to initiate the process...... and that is a recall against a fleebaggging Democrat!

You are assuming that if the recall gets to ballot, that it will in fact prevail. And that no counter-recalls against Democrats will. That's kind of like assuming.... oh, I dunno.... that Republicans all over the country would be pissing their pants this morning over Kloppenburg's triumphant crush. Oops.

It's not out of the question that the recall battle could actully lose the Democrats a seat.... an imperative seat.

Nahhhh. The odds of that would have to be about the same as..... well.... Prosser actually winning, I suppose. That's crazy talk.

Heh.

have a hard time the recall efforts will go well for the democrats after last night.

yeah, they might be thinking the same thing. They might give up on the recalls at this point.

I think Kloppenburg will win, because well the people entrusted with making this fair election aren't neutral observers.

However, I do think even with the loss, that this is a victory for our side. We've weathers everything the unions and democrats could offer and at worst we lose by a few hundred "found" votes or win by a few hundred votes.

There will be a recount without question. After that accidental 10,000 vote mistake last night, there probably should be a recount. Also i think if its within the .5% margin that the recount is free of charge if either candidate requests it and I know kloppy will.

It would have been nice to trounce them, but I see this as a win either way.

I hope the Legilature repasses the bill today and puts this thing to bed.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 06, 2011 08:37 AM (Do52

I think you need to look up the definition of 'Union busting'. 

That is not what Walker is trying to do.

Certainly a stern electoral rebuke to Governor Walker. As a staunch Wisconsin Republican for 40 years, I voted for him, but buyer's remorse set in after I saw some of his extreme policies so I voted for Kloppenburg last night.

I hope I can return to my party in 2012. But if Trump's the best they got and he's a birther, what can I do? It's a terribly weak field. In the old days every contender was a rock-ribbed mainstream conservative like Dede Scozzava and the party faithful had a real choice.

Well, if Limbaugh can get seminar callers, I guess its only fair for Ace to get seminar commenters.

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Posted by: Truman North at April 06, 2011 08:42 AM (8ay4x)

Heh.  "Dis r meh rawr faec."

125 Well, if Limbaugh can get seminar callers, I guess its only fair for Ace to get seminar commenters.

Don't you understand he's being flippant?  Shouldn't "rock-ribbed conservative like Dede Scozzafava" have tipped you off?  Not even the RINOs who endorsed her like Susan Collins and, um, Newt Gingrich, didn't claim she was a conservative - they claimed she had big-tent appeal.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 06, 2011 08:31 AM (/v6J+)

Eh...looks like she's stuffed her fair share of children in to an oven. Ya think dousing her in water might rid us of this scourge?

Perhaps our side could discover as many or more ballots as theirs. What's good for the gander and all that...

   Riiiiiiight

"The standard of good behavior for the continuance in office of the judicial magistracy, is certainly one of the most valuable of the modern improvements in the practice of government. In a monarchy it is an excellent barrier to the despotism of the prince; in a republic it is a no less excellent barrier to the encroachments and oppressions of the representative body. And it is the best expedient which can be devised in any government, to secure a steady, upright, and impartial administration of the laws."

- Federalist 78

Lifetime tenure for (federal) judges is not "how we got here."  It's a core part of the consitutional design.  States can do whatever they want.

"The fact that our revolution was so bloodless (compared to all other revolutions) was that back then, the ruling class was so far away.  Contrast 1776 with the French, Russian, Chinese and other revolutions where the corrupt politicians & judges were within reach of the people."

Not true.  The truly bloodless revolution was England's, in 1688.  Patriots during the lead-up to and the actual Revolution itself tarred, feathered and otherwise fucked with all the corrupt politicians & judges they could get their hands on (the ones that didn't cravenly switch sides, that is).  Many Loyalists left -- and good riddance -- rather than (or as a result of) getting the run-out-of-town-on-a-rail treatment.

Proposed headline for the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:

WISCONSINITES GET THE KLOP

Every one of these close elections always turn out to be:  a) the last precincts to report are in Democrat strongholds; b) Somehow, "magically" extra votes turn up for the Democrat candidate, and c) We get images of the Republican hired election attorney with a dumb look on their face after it all happens.

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Good news and bad news-

good news- Milwaukee is now almost entirely totally in, but Prosser actually expanded his lead with that to 845 votes.

bad news- outstanding precincts are:

DANE-1

ASHLAND -6

CRAWFORD-2

DUNN-2

JEFFERSON-1 (slightly better county for Prosser)

JUNEAU-1

MILWAUKEE- 2 (Prosser onlytrailing here by 43-57 though to everyone's shock and again with the latest bump here Prosser GAINED)

SAUK-8

TAYLOR-1 (Prosser leaning county)

2 precincts possibly favorable to Prosser, 22 not.

"One of you attorney dicks chime in: When, not "if", but WHEN one of these union assholes finally kills someone in connection with one of these bullshit protest actions, can we prosecute the union involved under the RICO statute?"

Sadly, no - or at least not easily.

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Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 06, 2011 09:07 AM (oDMwn)

That one district isn't what will make the difference.

I worry more about Ashland and Sauk.

We will probably have this one stolen from us, but I still think there's a valuable lesson to be had. The left was in their typical red-faced, spittle-flecked form, they were outspending Prosser like nobody's business, and their comrades in the press made it seem as though the whole state was foaming with rage at the "union-busting". And with all this they will likely only "win" this election in the same way they win all close elections, through fraud.

What this means is that the story we were told about the fury among everyday Wisconsites was an outright lie. The circumstances were perfect for them: they had energy, they had the press narrative, they had an "offseason" election (which offers fringe groups the perfect opportunity to acquire power), they had tons of money and help from out of state. If the narrative were true this should have been a runaway victory with the leftist candidate winning easily, but this didn't happen. Walker and the Republicans crushed their nuts, they had the perfect storm, and this is the best they could do?

Why do we fear these people?

Jean, in the Senate there's already something sort of like what you describe.  Senators have some power to block, or at least slow down, nomination of judges from their home state.

http://tinyurl.com/6kutvkq

ctrl+f "blue slip."  This describes it as not binding but from what I understand Senators have in the past been able to effectively block nominees.

i like this website. and buy wholesale hobo pelts.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2011 09:18 AM (WkuV6)

Based on the swing it would suggest, if Obama lost Wisconsin he lost the election already- because Ohio, Virginia, the NE EV1, Florida, North Carolina, Indiana and New Hampshire would have already flipped with a minimum EV of 280 for the Republicans.

IF, IF, IF Prosser pulls this out with the unions totally mobilized, Obama's chances of winning Wisconsin drop dramatically.

"rarely gets used because the Prez includes the Senators in the discussions."

Well, exactly.  Presidential veto is also rarely used, because Congress knows the president *can* veto, so they try to give him stuff he likes or will tolerate.

Any rule adopted by the Senate will be honored or not depending on the controlling party's needs.  Any attempt to codify it in law runs in to the President's veto, and Presidents aren't likely to give away their own power.

I know that the home-state Senators have screened nominees they find unacceptable.  Unfortunately, all the examples I know of first-hand are of liberal Senators blocking conservative potential nominees.

#181

No. The splitter never wins, and knows this. There will not be a formidable primary opponent for Obama.

#166 Maybe the left were not the only Wisconsinites who were furious.

That's what I'm getting at. The Republicans took very strong action, all we were shown were videos of the rabble protesting at the state capitol, all we were told of were polls showing how Walker would not win if the election were held today, etc. The press made it out that there was this huge backlash against the Wisconsin Republicans and Walker, and if this were all true, then circumstances should have made this election a rout in favor of the leftist. That didn't happen, which says to me there are a whole lot of people in Wisconsin who agree with Walker and the Republicans.

The press hypes, distorts, frames, and lies all the time and too many Republicans politicians believe them. My hope is that they will figure out that they need to ignore the press and stick to their guns.

Posted by: by any other name at April 06, 2011 08:26 AM (H+LJc)

What's voter intimidation?

On goes the fraud. First they stole it for Frankens
then they stole it from Emmer, Now Prosser. Doom!

WA 2004 gubenatorial race provided the template for the Franken win.  Dino Rossi won the election and the first recount.  The Native Americans funded the second recount which Christine Fraudoire won (and state law says the winner of the final recount wins).  It totally sucked and was completely illegal.  The most populous county, King, was the last one to report in.  It was here that ballots were "enhanced" by elections workers (who went through the ballots by hand and remarked them with sharpie pens as they determined "voter intent"), dead people, homeless people (who used a King County office building as their address on their voter registrations) and felons voted, ballots were "found" in car trunks, "on the sides of the machines", and just lying around and they were all counted.  The military, which didn't receive their absentee ballots on time had its ballots discounted.  The thing stunk to high heaven, and the law firm that helped whisk Queen Christine into office, then went on to give Al Franken the assist. 

It has permanently scarred me and soured me on the whole electoral process.  I will never forget it. 

I wonder how much money the unions spent nationally for all of the protests and this election. How many chilrens could have been taught with that money? These people are idiots. They had a chance to see their paychecks go up, and they just voted against it.

If the judge loses, Walker should just pass the bill that stops the paycheck deduction of dues. THAT is what all this fight is about! Then again, let them dummies keep paying their dues, maybe raise them by adding a processing fee.

O/T, but WaPo reporting the following:

A fiery President Obama insisted Tuesday that if he and congressional leaders couldn’t reach a deal to avert a government shutdown, “I want a meeting again tomorrow here at the White House.”

“I will invite the same folks that we invited today,” he added. “And if that doesn’t work, we’ll invite them again the day after that. And I will have my entire team available to work through the details of getting a deal done.”

ObamaÂ’s team may not include the president himself. Despite theimpasse in Washington over federal spending, the president as of early Wednesday was scheduled to give two speeches outside of Washington: one on energy in the Philadelphia suburbs, then another Wednesday evening to a group of black political activists in New York.

If the schedule remains intact, it will be the presidentÂ’s first trip outside the capital since he officially declared Monday he will seek a second term. And while Obama (D) and his aides have repeated said he will not focus on his campaign in the next few months, his schedule may contradict those words.

Gee, Obama can't even be said to be voting "present" any more.  Oh, and Obama lied, who'd a thunk?  He's also sucking up to Al Sharpton (his internals must be really bad!) 

I had thought if we could replay this state to state, run the unions funds out so they cannot influence  elections to the degree they do.,,

Russell @ 218

This is why I have a problem with "social justice."  It is a personal obligation, or to use your word, "covenant."  The left hijacks the idea to justify government programs and tactics of compulsion, even if laughably far removed from Church teachings.

If you want to look out for your neighbor, then you do it.  Compelling, via government, someone else to do it does not fulfill your personal obligation. There is no grace on the cheap.

NRO: "The Proxy War" by NRO's reporter on the ground Robert Costa

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Posted by: Greg at April 06, 2011 10:21 AM (bN5ZU)

This is the asshole average joe. Ignore the troll.

Posted by: Russell at April 06, 2011 10:31 AM (bN5ZU)

This is also the asshole average joe.

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Sauk is where it will fall.

Unless the last two precincts in Dunn are big, you will only see maybe another 200 votes there, and they ar eonly splitting 55-45 in favor of the union gal.

so thats another 20 or so votes she can pick up there in tersm of closing the gap.

Wife, "No George Gramma cannot be taken off the ventilator!"

spouse, "Get her up we need another ballot signed,  hurry up , we need a couple more hundred"

 ring, ring. Yeah this is George, Hey Harry, you have any friends you know didn't vote ? Tell them i'll give them a six pack if they go now".

97 percent voting polls in a few hours, last 3 percent days.

not weird at all.

According to the AP, Klop just took the lead.  DOOM!!

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Of the 5 precints left, 2 are in Republican areas, and 2 are suspected to be Republican parts of Milwaukee county, and 1 left in Juneau, which is 52-48 K over Prosser.

Of the 5 precints left, 2 are in Republican areas, and 2 are suspected to be Republican parts of Milwaukee county, and 1 left in Juneau, which is 52-48 K over Prosser.

Source on these precinct locations?

#300

Ef.... not to get your hopes up but those 2 Milwaukee precints supposedly go to Prosser. West Ellis, Wisconsin.

Of the 5 precints left, 2 are in Republican areas, and 2 are suspected to be Republican parts of Milwaukee county, and 1 left in Juneau, which is 52-48 K over Prosser.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 10:56 AM (JEVge)

Well that's not so bad then?

Pro-Commie - 1 Juneau
Pro-Prosser - 1 Jefferson, 1 Taylor, (2 Milwaukee?)

Ef.... not to get your hopes up but those 2 Milwaukee precints supposedly go to Prosser. West Ellis, Wisconsin.

Posted by: CAC

You've toyed with our emotions quite enough thanks. That thread last night was a bitch-and-a-half.

#302

Swing state project confirms at least 1 of the Milwaukee precincts should go Prosser.

The othere is hearsay.

Posted by: Greg

OMG, lol. Remember your script. You're supposed to pretend that you're a conservative.lol

Source on these precinct locations?

Only Kloppenburg can save the public employees God given right to tithes tribute well earned compensation, from the cash cows, um, taxpayers, so I voted for her.  And I'm not even a Wisconsin resident.

But seriously, do you believe that a human being who succumbs just once to an uncontrollable attraction to a nine-year old girl deserves a life-long punishment? Modern psychiatry can successfully treat or at least abate such conditions.

1.  Absolutely.  No one "succumbs" just once to such "uncontrollable attraction."  The rapist's wiring means he's not safe to be around children, period.  As the father of a nine year old girl, I'm not interested in playing treatment roulette with her life.  Given that I am 100% guaranteed to put a set of slugs through anyone who tries to rape her, it's better for the perv to be locked up forever.

2.  Yeah, that firmly-held belief in the magical psychiatric bullet worked out really, really well for the Catholic Church.

Posted by: ya2daup

A good point. When called out, average joe feigns a perverted sense of triumph, like a child announcing himself the winner of a game to which only he knows the rules and indeed that a game existed. He claims that he isn't a troll, but a master of socks. He is simply an attention whore; an asshole.