1 Yeah, and the Paultards are starting to show up again on our conservative website-type thingies too.

2 And you thought we were bad.  Wait until the cries of LUAP NOR!!! echo throughout the blogosphere.

3 Someone on the ONT labeled this group as a "communist front group". Any truth to that Gabe?

4 FEMA should build camps for the Paulophiles back in the woods with concertina  wire where they wont hurt anybody.

5

Kudos to YAF.  Here's hoping Rand Paul doesn't turn out to be a whack job like his old man.

6 Hold on tight. By this time next year there'll be so many you won't be able to swing a figurative foot without figuratively kicking one in the figurative head.

7 I can see Crazy from my house.

8 O/T: CPAC infiltrated by not only The Gay but, radical Islam.
http://tinyurl.com/4ltjpou
Sweet.

9 Paulistinians are a bunch of jackasses with no redeeming qualities.

10 When did stuffy ol' CPAC turn into the bar scene from Star Wars?

11 Soon enough, ace-o-spades will be fondly reminiscing about the days when every thread turned into a Palin thread.

12 9 Paulistinians are a bunch of jackasses with no redeeming qualities.

Well, they do provide some humor from time to time. 

13 YAF isn't "Young Americans for Freedom" any more. They changed their name to "Young America's Foundation" several years ago.

14 Not that I care about this but how to you "expel" someone from an advisory board?  Ron Paul is delusional,  disturbing and off his meds? And you just noticed it? Having  Ron Paul on your advisory board is something that reflects as badly on you as it does him. If I had made such a egregious mistake I don't think I would be trumpeting that fact in a very aggressive press release.

15 But... but... Roan Pual suhpawtuhs only het ZIONISTS, nawt Joos. Ders uh difference, they say.

16 Paul's donning his lamp shade and dancing on the tables when asked a foreign policy question tipped me off that he might be a racist antisemite traitor.

17 Good.  Finally.  I saw these creeps at the last Ames Straw Poll.  They're a turd in the punchbowl.

18 I always kind of thought the Ron Paul people were the "looney leftist" version of the right   I was trying to explain to somebody last night that  they are soooo far right they almost come full circle and run smack dab into the left. Not sure how accurate that is, but it seemed somewhat accurate to me.

19 Good for them, but what took 'em so long? Reminds me of a sign I saw outside my office in Washington a few years back. Some LaRouchies had a sign that including this timeline on it: 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, 1987 LaRouche condemns Stalin. So I asked the guy what took LaRouche so long.

20 Ron Paul and Jimmy Carter are in agreement on the Mideast, and both support the extermination of the Joos.

21

 

So. The YAF has decided to become un-polarized ... they are now unPolaR.

 

22 Where's the Blimp? The mothership?

23 20 I always kind of thought the Ron Paul people were the "looney leftist" version of the right   I was trying to explain to somebody last night that  they are soooo far right they almost come full circle and run smack dab into the left. Not sure how accurate that is, but it seemed somewhat accurate to me.

Posted by: Berserker at February 13, 2011 01:09 PM (gWHrG)

The person Ron Paul most likes working with in Congress is Dennis Kucinich I believe.  So yeah that does help that theory.

24 Mittens will lose.

25 I don't get all this vitriolic hate for Ron Paul.  He's got some wacky ideas, for sure, but he's also on top of some important issues.  It's true that he has one of the most annoying set of supporters, but I'm not sure why that should reflect on him.  It's part of the nature of his positions, like his drug legalization desires.  Positions like that just attract the annoying dregs, though there is nothing illegitimate in the position, itself - even though I am not in agreement with it.

I like Paul, in general, though I am in serious disagreement with him on many topics.  I don't see why there is a desire to make him out to be such a villain.

26 Someone on the ONT labeled this group as a "communist front group". Any truth to that Gabe?

Posted by: Vic

 

I always suspected...

27 Batshit crazy. I has it.

28 OT:  Want a good laugh (or cry)......

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama's proposed budget for fiscal 2012 will seek to cut the record federal deficit by $1.1 trillion over the next 10 years, White House budget director Jack Lew said on Sunday.

Lew, speaking on CNN, said the president was also on track to halve the budget deficit by the end of his first term in office, which goes through 2012.

But Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, said the spending cuts in the president's budget to be released on Monday were not enough.

More at:  http://tinyurl.com/4u6cma4

29 He just won the Fox News poll, by 30%. In unrelated news, World of Warcraft has had record low traffic yesterday.

30 In fairness (and god help me for taking the other side here), everybody buses in their supporters at CPAC and have for a while.  As annoying as they are, I have no doubt that his supporters sincerely believe what they believe as opposed to being merely political mercenaries.

The problem is how do you stop this?  How do you make CPAC more civil?  How do you keep it relevant and not just the live action version of a spammed internet thread combined with a spammed internet poll?  I don't see any other way other than abandoning the straw poll entirely or ceasing to have it open to anybody who attends.

31 Anyway, doesn't Paul represent Corpus Christi? Is it nice over there. If I have to plan a Southern/Western state escape, I would pick Florida or Texas along or near the coast (unless there are nicer places in Texas. I've only been to San Antonia). If those don't work out, then probably Montana or Wyoming.

32 The problem is how do you stop this?  How do you make CPAC more civil?  How do you keep it relevant and not just the live action version of a spammed internet thread combined with a spammed internet poll?  I don't see any other way other than abandoning the straw poll entirely or ceasing to have it open to anybody who attends.

Posted by: AD at February 13, 2011 01:18 PM (9r1ux)

That's right.  Stop the stupid straw poll.  CPAC should just be a meeting and some speeches which can get some press.

As it is, I've never paid any attention to CPAC.  I'm not sure who really does care about it.

33 I am not getting the royalties from the YAF that I deserve.

34 I don't see why there is a desire to make him out to be such a villain. Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 13, 2011 01:16 PM (N49h9) Think about it.

35

CPAC has thrown us some good speaches...they need to preserve that tradition.  It's a rare sight to see conservative minds speaking out the way they do at CPAC.

The Paulbots need to be culled fro the herd.

36 So the Paultards were completely lacking in the social graces? And this surprised us how?

37

Pacifism doesn't really work without religion.  Consider my namesake: The Amish are pacifists, but they are also fatalists.  When tragedies befall them they often say "what will be, will be." They believe that God commands them to be pacifists and will reward them for doing so.

But how do you justify pacifism if you don't believe it's God's command?  It's irrational to believe that if Muslims attack you that just standing there and taking it will lead to anything but the obvious result. You have to believe that the world is something other than it is. War is not the inevitable result of power and aggression, but it's the result of a shadowy conspiracy.

The Paultards, even the true-believing ones, don't understand the fundamental understandings of human nature that lead to conservatism.

38
More horseshit.

Ron Paul is yet again a distraction.

Distractions, distractions, distractions. This is why the Democrats are killing us and our country.

39 Me!!

40 In defense of Ron Paul, at least for me, he bridged the gap for my conversion from democrat to conservative.  For someone in a heavily liberal atmosphere, he is the one Republican you can claim to support without getting too much grief.  Though very quickly after doing more research about him, I moved on.

41

I'd rather hear about Gabe's date with Bill Schultz...talk slow...

42 Think about it.

Posted by: eman:The People's Front of Logprof at February 13, 2011 01:21 PM (gZVTR)

I've thought about it.  More than most, I would guess.

43

Ron Paul never made any racist or anti-Semitic remarks. That's bullshit.

A member of his staff made inappropriate comments in a newsletter, for which Ron Paul has long since apologized profusely.

44

I was just reading this story at WZ. The Paulbots infected the place like the lice they are.

Let's hope they stay away from this joint.

45 "Anyway, doesn't Paul represent Corpus Christi?"

Nope.  He represents Rockport, Victoria and a few other areas of the Gulf Coast.  If anything, the fact that he's still their Congresscritter says not so much good about the folks in those areas.

Corpus Christi used to be represented by Solomon Ortiz... Of course, until he was defeated last November by Brent Farenthold, first Republican to have that seat in... forever.  Thankfully.

46 28 I don't get all this vitriolic hate for Ron Paul.  He's got some wacky ideas, for sure, but he's also on top of some important issues.  It's true that he has one of the most annoying set of supporters, but I'm not sure why that should reflect on him.  It's part of the nature of his positions, like his drug legalization desires.  Positions like that just attract the annoying dregs, though there is nothing illegitimate in the position, itself - even though I am not in agreement with it.

I like Paul, in general, though I am in serious disagreement with him on many topics.  I don't see why there is a desire to make him out to be such a villain.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 13, 2011 01:16 PM (N49h9)

I think most had your view at the start.  "Yeah Paul is a bit nutty and has dumb ideas but no big deal."  Then his supporters start going off the deep end.  He seems to full on encourage it.  Then you add in his saying how he probably will not endorse the eventual Repub nominee.  His holding of a counter convention.  And then his loony newsletter.  All that can combine to turn the hatred for his supporters into hatred for him as well

47

Ron Paul never made any racist or anti-Semitic remarks. That's bullshit.

No, he winks and nods whenever they are made.

And he "just asks questions".

A member of his staff made inappropriate comments in a newsletter, for which Ron Paul has long since apologized profusely.

No he didn't.  He said he didn't write it.  He never apologized or outright condemned it. 

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 01:28 PM (sYrWB)

Ah ha!  Now we know what your angle is!

48

Distractions, distractions, distractions. This is why the Democrats are killing us and our country.

Word up.

49

Back in 2008, a photo circulated, here, at HotAir, MM, and even LGF, IIRC, of genial Uncle Ron at some regional political event with an American Nazi and his son.

Shortly afterwards, some of his newsletters form the 80's or 90's surfaced ...

Uncle Ron has a problematic past ...

50 34 Anyway, doesn't Paul represent Corpus Christi? [...]

TX-14, which stretches from north of Texas City through south Houston & Galveston and stops somewhere near Port Aransas. He's won a majority of his elections easily.

51 I hope really stupid candidates go to that Politico debate.

52

I just read an article about a Texas beauty queen being stripped of her crown for gaining weight.

Second post in the comments? Ron Paul.

53 --Then his supporters start going off the deep end.  He seems to full on encourage it. 

Meh.  His supporters aren't conservatives, generally.  Some are, but most aren't.  I'm not sure what you think he's encouraging.

--Then you add in his saying how he probably will not endorse the eventual Repub nominee.  His holding of a counter convention.  And then his loony newsletter.  All that can combine to turn the hatred for his supporters into hatred for him as well

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2011 01:30 PM (oVQFe)

If the GOP doesn't stay on the correct path for this Congress, they're in danger of lots of folks not supporting them.  McShame was able to turn off tons of conservatives as he prepped the path for the Indonesian to get in and start doing the most serious damage this nation had ever seen.  And McShame the shithead was just voted back in.  I also had major disagreements with people over JD Hayworth, whom I liked a lot.  He got this same sort of treatment from many - even as he was trying to unseat the biggest dickhead in the Senate.

I am very much against Paul's isolationism, but that's a policy dispute.  I don't like most of his supporters, but they are not him.  Like I said, some of his views just naturally attract such types.

It's funny how lots of people will go nuts at the mention of Ron Paul, but love zerohedge - which is basically the same exact thing, lunatic commenters and all.  But people still ike zerohedge, and it's a good site for monetary issues.  It sucks for foreign affairs and lots of other areas ... just like Paul.  So what's the difference?

54

Won't be long before CPAC is held in a tent with three rings.

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!!! With elephants to boot!!

Hope nobody is afraid of clowns...oh wait!

55

Back in 2008, a photo circulated, here, at HotAir, MM, and even LGF, IIRC, of genial Uncle Ron at some regional political event with an American Nazi and his son.

Those kinds of things don't necessarily bother me.  Politicians don't do background checks when somebody asks for a photo op.

Shortly afterwards, some of his newsletters form the 80's or 90's surfaced ...

That's where the seriousness comes in.

56 Maybe Ron Paul is disguising his anti-Israel policy as anti-foreign intervention policy. He is smart enough to know that can fool a lot of people.

57 Where's the Blimp? The mothership?

How's about a graffiti'd up gray Chevrolet?

Here's a bunch of  Tucson T.E.A. Partiers shivering in the cold and wind and wet outside Gabby Giffords office for an hour or four just before she's to cast her vote on Health Deform.

Here's the lone Paultard.  Who shows up just as the clouds are breaking and the crowds dispersing... on the opposite fucking corner!

(His hand held sign says nothing about the health care legislation, BTW.)

'Nuff said...

58 A majority of the Paulbots I've met are anti-Semitic Truthers and conspiracy theorists. They also are rather obnoxious, such as the group of students at my alma mater who painted _"REVOLUTION" all over the sidewalks on campus and plastered placards on the windows. The way they treated Rumsfeld and Cheney at CPAC was an undignified way to protest and Dr. Paul's "blame America 1st" speech wasn't much different than many of Obama's lectures.

_{/He is also well-known for the number of earmarks he gets for his district down here in Texas, as is well-known.}

59

You know,  you're right.

I am a pit bull when it comes to Paultards.  I know a lot of this stuff.  Bring 'em on.

60 I don't know why more people aren't talking about this...

This was the best speech at CPAC and I hope as many people as possible actually hear the message this speaker is presenting!

61

It's funny how lots of people will go nuts at the mention of Ron Paul, but love zerohedge - which is basically the same exact thing, lunatic commenters and all.  But people still ike zerohedge, and it's a good site for monetary issues.  It sucks for foreign affairs and lots of other areas ... just like Paul.  So what's the difference?

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 13, 2011 01:37 PM (N49h9)

Because mentioning him during the 2008 election in any sort of way would bring out the crazy fans?

62 Yay, Mitt spam, whoo-hoo!

63 I thought that David Horowitz's speach was a good one.

64 64 I don't know why more people aren't talking about this...

This was the best speech at CPAC and I hope as many people as possible actually hear the message this speaker is presenting!

Posted by: Dan at February 13, 2011 01:45 PM (9L1z6)

See iknowtheleft, its this sort of stuff that can start to breed hatred of the candidate.  Dan can help but troll more Romney crap in any thred.  So the name or reference begins to grind away at you to the point even mentioning them makes your blood pressure rise because its become associated too much with their psycho annoying supporters.

65 If I had to choose between voting for Ron Paul or voting for Arizona's lMr. Magoo,  aka, Obama-lite, I would vote for Ron Paul, and may I remind you that some of you batty, reactionary dimwits supported and voted for Mr. Magoo.  So don't be so quick to ridicule Ron Paul's supporters. 

66 Mitt made me a big stack of mandate pancakes!

67 Oh, see what happens to Mitt spam around here?

68 This is why I left the Libertarian Party.

Way too open minded. They were unwilling to kick out the Bilderberger and common law conspiracy loons as long as they gave lip service to zero aggression, and now those loons have taken that organization over.

I strongly suggest that any sane small "L" libertarians still left out there join the Republican Party, and reject this insanity.

69 So, Bwian is a Paulbot. Clarity, at last.

70

I am very much against Paul's isolationism, but that's a policy dispute. 

You're missing the point.  It is his anti-Semitism that drives his isolationism.  It can't be torn from the garment.

I don't like most of his supporters, but they are not him.

He encourages it and buses them into all these sorts of events.  He loves his basement-dwelling following.

It's funny how lots of people will go nuts at the mention of Ron Paul, but love zerohedge - which is basically the same exact thing, lunatic commenters and all.  But people still ike zerohedge, and it's a good site for monetary issues.  It sucks for foreign affairs and lots of other areas ... just like Paul.  So what's the difference?

I have no idea what zerohedge is.  I take it it's some sort of blog.

First, it isn't a member of Congress.

Second, commenters are a small part of a site (sorry guys) and you don't hold the owner responsible for all of the commenters.

Third, very few Paultards actually like Paul for his more reasoned financial views, they like him for the anti-Semitism and the isolationism and the FREE POT! libertarianism (although Paul is actually a paleo-con).

Fourth, Paul actually undermines the ideas he claims to have.  He'll vote against things because they don't go far enough.

Fifth, anti-Semitism.

Sixth, he's a hypocrite.  Earmarks, anyone?

71 He does make my man Donald Trump look good though.

72 It's true that he has one of the most annoying set of supporters, but I'm not sure why that should reflect on him.

In practical terms?

Think about it for a bit...

73 71 Oh, see what happens to Mitt spam around here?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 13, 2011 01:51 PM (Wh0W+)

Haha, nice edit of the link.

74

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 01:50 PM (sYrWB)

Shouldn't you be handing a moist towlette to the guy who just finished fucking your mother?

75
Who's YAF, anyway?

Who gives a shit about this picayune nonsense and the Y-A-friggin F?

76

Because mentioning him during the 2008 election in any sort of way would bring out the crazy fans?

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2011 01:46 PM (oVQFe)

Now, that's not what I asked.  I like zerohedge, and many people do, but you can't fit a human hair between zerohedge and Ron Paul on most issues (up to and including their supporters/commenters).

Yes, the Paulites make a major pain of themselves and many of them hate Israel.  So what?  Israel can take care of itself.  Israel HAS to be able to take care of itself.

As much as people think other Americans support Israel, they only support Israel so long as Israel isn't in a truly defensible position.  Bush's Road-Kill Map was a travesty and did nothing but work towards the end of the state.  I don't think that Bush intended that, but that was where it was headed.  It was Bush who forced those idiotic elections in Gaza that brought Hamas to a position of official power.  I could have done without that.  And yet, Condi Rice was always quick to pull the Road-Kill Map out - which had been violated by the palis from the first fucking day and was nothing but a ridiculous piece of paper with a stupid set of ideas printed on it.  That concerned me far more. 

But, even that idiocy has been superceded, in spades, by the Indonesian and his real hate for Israel (part and parcel of his hate of us and the whole West).

People don't like Paul's position vis a vis Israel?  Fine.  I understand that and I agree with you.  But don't make the mistake of thinking that those views are that different from what we've had or the real shit we have now.

77

Ron Paul never made any racist or anti-Semitic remarks. That's bullshit.

A member of his staff made inappropriate comments in a newsletter, for which Ron Paul has long since apologized profusely.

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 01:28 PM (sYrWB)

As usual, Brian, you're FOS.

Ron Paul proudly claimed authorship of those newsletters until the SHTF. Then he got a staff member to take the blame.

The alternative explanation is that Paul let someone ghost write for him for over a decade, without ever examining the words attributed to him. If that's the case it means Paul is an irresponsible idiot.

So take your choice -- racist or idiot.

Either way, he makes Sheila Jackson Lee look like a brain surgeon.

78

Shouldn't you be handing a moist towlette to the guy who just finished fucking your mother?

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2011 01:52 PM (QU8F7)

 

And your mother is a man, and you're one of his turds. What's your point. 

79 I don't see any other way other than abandoning the straw poll entirely

I see no problem with this.  Imo, it serves no purpose.  Especially at this stage of the game.  The Paulbots were hardly bearable in '08.  I don't relish what they'll be in '12.  Nary a telephone poll was left bare last election in my 50 mile radius.  There were more of his campaign signs, stickers, posters littering our highways than anyone else's.  They swarmed those of us who came to a local restaurant to see Fred Thompson, handing out literature and just insinuating themselves where they weren't wanted.  I can't remember what % he pulled in during the primaries, but it wasn't a fraction compared to his army.

80 The alternative explanation is that Paul let someone ghost write for him for over a decade, without ever examining the words attributed to him. If that's the case it means Paul is an irresponsible idiot.

No, it's worse than that.  They used his name with his approval and when he was informed of it, he didn't condemn the words.

81 Well, if Brian's for him....

82

Haha, nice edit of the link.

You know who this benefits?

83

Where's this newsletter? Does anyone have a link?

84 I find his views fascinating and would like to subscribe to his newsletter.

85
BOOBS Rejects Ron Paul

Byzantine Order of Organized Buffoons are concerned with Ron Paul's unsavory mind-thoughts and trail of hurt feelings.

86 BOOBS Rejects Ron Paul

I would like to lend BOOBS my full support.

87 I would like to lend BOOBS a hand.

88
A thousand years from now aliens from outer space will study Earth and come to the conclusion that its downfall was a direct result from acronyms.

89 I support BOOBS

90 Always look on the bright side of Joo-hating.

91 87

Where's this newsletter? Does anyone have a link?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 13, 2011 02:03 PM (sOfBE)

Maybe if you go back to the months before the 2008 election you can find threads with links to what it said?  I don't know of any though.

92 A thousand years from now aliens from outer space will study Earth and come to the conclusion that its downfall was a direct result from acronyms. Posted by: Sunday Soothsayer at February 13, 2011 02:08 PM (1Ilmq) We at Aliens Against Acronyms fully agree.

93 #85 - I didn't say that I am "for" him. But I like him. He has a certain je na sais quoi.

94 97, Too late, Paulbot.

95

People don't like Paul's position vis a vis Israel?  Fine.  I understand that and I agree with you.  But don't make the mistake of thinking that those views are that different from what we've had or the real shit we have now.

Agreed, to a point, IKL- 

Bush was forced via the Left and the Media to make overtures at the Peace Process (after the enormous successes of Clinton / lefty meme /sarc).  Remember that Clinton gave us Arafat and the 2nd Infetadah, which the left views as a victory for the Peace Process (read: Palis).  He also gave us the notion of Palestine as South Africa.

Bush took the same approach here he took with Sadaam in Iraq:   Create / Work within a set of strict parameters that you know the opposition will violate ad nauseum.  Appeal to these violations and use them to justify the next step towards solving the problem. The 'Solution' was a means to an end, best I can tell...but the end was never realized.

 Difficulty arose when nobody had the stomach to go after the Palis with force.  Here we need to blame the Lefty Media for the concept of Disproportional Warfare and the desire to paint the Palestinians as 'victims'.  The Palis are the best at this because they have been schooled by and in the West on how to achieve these goals.  Propagandizing and Media Manipulation are a true artform in the hands of the Progressive Left.

I oppose Paulbots strictly because too many use Paul as a shield for their visceral Israel / Jew Hate. He welcomes them into the fold because he needs the support and he doesn't care about their true beliefs, only that there are asses in the seats.

96 94 Always look on the bright side of Joo-hating.

Posted by: The Life of Brian at February 13, 2011 02:10 PM (FJ//o)

That's a cheap shot. You paranoid fuck. Show the evidence.

97 Thank you to everyone for the birthday wishes back on the book thread. So far, it's been a damned fine day.

98
our government must have a whole department of people dedicated to thinking of nifty acronyms, which have done little more than cost money and make us weaker.

SALT, SALT II, START, TARP, and the rest that I can't think of right now, dammit

99 I never said I was FOR the concentration camps.  But I liked them.  They really tied the continent together.  And I never said I was FOR the human-skin lampshades, but ya gotta admit they just doused the living rooms in je na sais quoi!

100

Eman is a classic case of arrested development; an adult with the mind of a bratty, 3-year-old child.

101

DAM.

 

Mothers Against Dyslexia.

 

102 Eman is a classic case of arrested development; an adult with the mind of a bratty, 3-year-old child. Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:16 PM (sYrWB) C'mon, you can do better than that.

103

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:13 PM (sYrWB)

Now Brian, you know it's true...you never clean off your Circumcised Uncles!

104 Someone on the ONT labeled this group as a "communist front group". Any truth to that Gabe?

Oh, Hell's Yeah!

You can watch them being all Marxist and shit right on C-SPAN2 (Book TV), Vic!

YAF: Conservative Books to Read in College

Marji Ross, president of Regnery publishing, John Miller, author and national political reporter for the National Review, and  Benjamin Wiker, author and senior fellow at the Discovery Institute discuss what they deem are the best conservative books to read in college.  The panelists present their thoughts at the Young America's Foundation National Conservative Student Conference held at George Washington University in Washington, DC.

105

SALT, SALT II, START, TARP, and the rest that I can't think of right now, dammit

You forget me??

*sniff*

106

Eman is a classic case of arrested development; an adult with the mind of a bratty, 3-year-old child.

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:16 PM (sYrWB)

You put the pro in projection.

107 I thought the Paulians went more for the German, not the Froggy-talk.

108 Why did they wait 'til now? To make headlines in the blogosphere? His views were precisely the same, and with the same, or even a bigger audience, for the past 4 years. While YAL may not be relevant, YAF is certainly irrelevant, too.

109

Posted by: The UN at February 13, 2011 02:19 PM (sOfBE)

You bastard.  You UN-Nazied the world.

110 I live in Paul's district, and I can tell you that people vote for him because he votes NO on everything. For some reason, people like that. He has never had a serious opponent that I'm aware of.
Paul is also admired because he works hard for veterans. Some veterans had never received medals to which they were entitled, and Paul is able to do that.
I'm not a fan. I think he's a nut case.

111 #109 -  I'm not going to get down into the sewer with you today, you piece of shit..

112

>> Why did they wait 'til now? To make headlines in the blogosphere?

Because this was the week his jackass supporters cried and pitched fits like bitches at CPAC.

113 I'm not going to get down into the sewer with you today, you piece of shit..

But you'll miss my '08 '12 campaign's meeting at 6!

114

That's a cheap shot. You paranoid fuck. Show the evidence.

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:13 PM (sYrWB)

For a non-Paulbot, you're remarkably defensive.

Few anti-Semites will come out and say "I hate Jews."  They'll just happen to always bring up issues with Israel while ignoring the faults of any of its neighbors and start citing disproportionate influence of particular Jews when they really don't seem relevant to the topic at hand.

115

Where's this newsletter? Does anyone have a link?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 13, 2011 02:03 PM (sOfBE)

Maybe if you go back to the months before the 2008 election you can find threads with links to what it said?  I don't know of any though.

Posted by: buzzion at February 13, 2011 02:10 PM (oVQFe)

Big Purple Nerfballs has actual scans of the newsletters. I have the links but I won't post them because I don't want to generate traffic to that klown.

Acronyms:

FOS = Full of shit
SHTF = Shit hits the Fan

116 Is YAF the group that sponsored a discussion about six months ago where a recently separated couple aired their dirty laundry? The one with the geeky dude and the blonde chick, and Jonah Goldberg in the background trying to hide under the table.

117 While YAL may not be relevant, YAF is certainly irrelevant, too.

Yeah, you've never seen a vid by Jason Mattera, I'm sure...

118

 I'm not going to get down into the sewer with you today, you piece of shit..

Now, Brian - You come down here and give your Mother a Valentine's Day Kiss!

... and bring her ice-pak.  Your Uncles have been rough one her this weekend.

119 This talk about Paul being an anti-semite is just a vicious lie perpetrated by The International Zionist Conspiracy and House of Pancakes^tm.

120 I heard the Paulbots paid their own way to CPAC by selling loose joints and pimping out their mothers.

121 #120, I'm sure that made sense to you. It won't make sense to any rational person.

122 I'm not going to get down into the sewer with you today, you piece of shit..

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:21 PM (sYrWB)

But in order for him to hear it, didn't you have to at least peek your head down the manhole?

Please tell us more about how you will refuse to engage us.

123

Where's this newsletter? Does anyone have a link?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 13, 2011 02:03 PM (sOfBE)

During the 2008 primary season one of the guys at Reason (I think it was Matt Welch) went through the newsletter and other controversies and finally concluded that he had to disavow any support for RP. Searching their website might get you an article and discussion that would be helpful. I thought it was extremely fair and reasonable, and especially damning since it came from someone who would normally be very supportive.

124 I have a picture of Ron Paul posing with Rachel Corrie. No wait, it's a cardboard cutout of her.

125 Ron. Paul. Is. Doo-Doo!

126 Yeah, Paul is a psycho.  That's what scares me about the kid getting so much praise.  I'm afraid that schizophrenia is hereditary.

127 So, would President Ron Paul have refused to sell to England and Russia via Lend-Lease, or would he sold to the Axis as well? It's so hard to predict the whole isolationist outlook...

128 Ron Paul is given far too much credit for his fiscal policies.  He's a porker who only wants to get and keep power.  And he's a complete freak on foreign policy.  I wish the GOP would boot him out of the party. 

129 #120, I'm sure that made sense to you. It won't make sense to any rational person.

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:26 PM (sYrWB)

Here, I'll play at the same level of argumentation as this:

I know you are but what am I?

130 127 #120, I'm sure that made sense to you. It won't make sense to any rational person.

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:26 PM (sYrWB)

Like a joooooo.......

131
question is: Why do those donkeys at CPAC keep including Ron Paul in their straw poll?

132

--Bush was forced via the Left and the Media to make overtures at the Peace Process (after the enormous successes of Clinton / lefty meme /sarc).  Remember that Clinton gave us Arafat and the 2nd Infetadah, which the left views as a victory for the Peace Process (read: Palis).  He also gave us the notion of Palestine as South Africa.

Bush was the best President with respect to Israel policy in his first few years.  Then he absolutely collapsed.  His second term was a lurch to the left that was absolutely pathetic.  It's true that he was beaten senseless by the left and the media, but it was clear that Bush had many leftist tendencies in him, just waiting to come out.  He was a big amnesty supporter, too - which was just downright dangerous to the US and INSANE.

Clinton, of course, was infatuated with the palestinians.  Arafat was the most frequent visitor to the White House during the Clinton years.  Now, THAT is something truly disgusting and stupid.  But, somehow, Shrillary (after she finished frenching Suha Arafat) comehow came to be seen as being the pro-Israel voice on the dem side.  That was a joke and a half.

Bush got confused by the whole democracy argument.  But, that aside, he was a lefty deep down - as the whole Bush family has had a hard-on for globalism, for whatever reason.  Bush's saving grace was his strong Christianity and, thus, opposition to abortion, which is what drove him to his excellent judicial picks (some of Bush's greatest acts) and also had led him to an excellent policy towards Israel ... in the beginning. 

Of course, Israel shared some blame for its situation, too.  Olmert was the dumbest piece of shit to ever head the state.  That was no ones fault but Israel's - and Sharon's (who had been one of the greatest strategic geniuses, but went nuts at the end of his tenure, as was best exemplified by that asinine unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, giving such a gift without getting anything in return - which is something that one NEVER does with arab culture).

--Bush took the same approach here he took with Sadaam in Iraq:   Create / Work within a set of strict parameters that you know the opposition will violate ad nauseum.  Appeal to these violations and use them to justify the next step towards solving the problem. The 'Solution' was a means to an end, best I can tell...but the end was never realized.

Forcing Israel to sign/agree to contracts that the other side routinely violates was not a foreign policy I can see any way to argue is productive.  All that does is destroy the integrity of contracts, which is what the modern world is based on.

--Difficulty arose when nobody had the stomach to go after the Palis with force.  Here we need to blame the Lefty Media for the concept of Disproportional Warfare and the desire to paint the Palestinians as 'victims'.  The Palis are the best at this because they have been schooled by and in the West on how to achieve these goals.  Propagandizing and Media Manipulation are a true artform in the hands of the Progressive Left.

This is true, to some extent.  Don't forget that Bush had our forces working under ridiculous ROEs, too.  He looks a little better since the Indonesian has taken those constraints up a few levels (mirandizing afghan terrorists in afghanistan is just beyond insane), but Bush never knew how to really prosecute a war, either.  That's why things took so long and cost so much in Afghanistan and Iraq.  That's also why Bush never did the most important task he had - to take Iran out before he left office, which is part of what the Iraq invasion was setting up for.  And that was with Iran providing the cassus belli for war so many times, just to be ignored.

--I oppose Paulbots strictly because too many use Paul as a shield for their visceral Israel / Jew Hate. He welcomes them into the fold because he needs the support and he doesn't care about their true beliefs, only that there are asses in the seats.

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2011 02:12 PM (QU8F7)

That's true.  I have a visceral dislike of most Paulbots, but they are not Ron Paul.  Many of them like him because they get to express their Jew hatred within his policy ideas, and many of them are just drug-addled dicks who want everything legalized.  And they are annoying as hell, working to screw up every online poll and the like.  But, you know, it's good for people to see how polls are routinely screwed up by some crazy subset of folks, so that people don't look at poll results as being some sorts of facts on the ground.  In that sense, the Paulbots do a bit of a service, not unlike a disease that does serve to strengthen the immune system.

133 This talk about Paul being an anti-semite is just a vicious lie perpetrated by The International Zionist Conspiracy and House of Pancakes^tm.

Well.  At least they don't serve

Un-Frenched Toast..........................................7.59
Sweet Potato bread pudding grilled & topped with brown sugar and pecans, and served with honey ginger butter and warm strawberry preserves...

Woohoo!

Happy 40th Birthday Lincolntf!!!!

134 William F. Buckley founded YAF in 1960:
"About 90 young people at the Sharon, Connecticut estate of William F. Buckley, Jr. gathered to lay the groundwork for a new national conservative youth organization. It is here that Young Americans for Freedom is born and our statement of principles, the Sharon Statement, is drafted. New Guard magazine makes its debut as the official magazine of YAF."

Of interest: Ronald Reagan was on their Advisory Board and was an honorary member until his death.

Plus: "In 1974, YAF, along with the American Conservative Union, sponsors a modest but ambitious gathering called the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). CPAC has become the largest annual gathering of conservatives and is still growing 37 years later."

Their website is here.

135 133 So, would President Ron Paul have refused to sell to England and Russia via Lend-Lease, or would he sold to the Axis as well? It's so hard to predict the whole isolationist outlook...

Posted by: nickless: I'm with the banned (99.174.64.43) at February 13, 2011 02:29 PM (qdtoY)

Actually, there was a former aide of his who insisted he was in the "Roosevelt let Pearl Harbor happen to drag us into WWII" conspiracy camp.  That doesn't bode well.

136

Posted by: Brian at February 13, 2011 02:00 PM (sYrWB)

He tries...but he always turns the corner and sees Mom workin' another 'Straw Pole' and gets upset. 

 Poor Boy. 

He never could accept the fact that his Daddy didn't want to molest him.

137 question is: Why do those donkeys at CPAC keep including Ron Paul in their straw poll?

My guess would be revenue. 

Bums on seats, laddie.  Bums on seats.  They would not attend if they didn't have a chance to freep the poll. 

If you have an open door policy on participation in CPAC, which they seem to have, you have to let in the Ronulans.  The man is a sitting congressman, after all, and a member of the GOP (sigh).  Plus, although I reject their simplistic world view, the libertarians are a legitimate (double sigh), if fringey, movement, so you really don't want to throw out the whole movement over one guy, even if that guy is a poorly closeted Jew hater and moron. 

138

Bizarre rationale, Amish Dude @ #128

Did anybody ever tell you that you are very strange? Betchu get that a lot, don't you?

139

"je na sais quoi": French  for "I don't know what".

Tab over to the Ron Paul Wiki entry to get many links on Uncle Ron; his newsletter controversy and his positions.

His newsletter problem is not trivial; follow the links.

His positions (again, follow the links) are a mix of positions, many commonly held by juveniles and cranky old farts:

 - Isolationism, in today's world of Dwarf Iranians and Poofy-Haired and Well-Fed (yet still Short) NorKs building ICMBS and atomic bombs, and certain South American Curious George look-alike dictators buying ex-Russian Kilo-class subs (or trying to)?  But We, the US, provoked 9/11 .....

 - Return to the Gold Standard allow silver & gold as legal tender ... no one else uses gold, at least not publicly ... why?  Everyone else learned that paying one's debts via paper is far less painful than via gold. To a large degree, we've been accepting their paper for out gold for 60 or so years, although sometimes we accept their default (Brazil).

 - Lots of government limits: no Fed, etc.  Look, the world of 1913 and earlier was long ago, and hopefully never to return. I'd rather have strict constitutionalism, etc., but the reality is that we have to grow and adapt to Modernity (whateverit is at any given moment).

 

 Ronulan-ism is the equivalent of Maxim; if you're a D, then the best outcome is to shift towards the Paulistanian Creed, spend some time realizing that it's a "training belief" and that you need to grow up and move on, and not to the Socialist/Marxist crap of the modern Democratic Party.

Grow up, get educated, realize that Conservatism is much better, for everyone (particularly the people who prefer to cash "assistance" checks as a career). To finish the analogy, stop fapping to a magazine, and go to bars and pick up girls).

140 question is: Why do those donkeys at CPAC keep including Ron Paul in their straw poll? Posted by: Sunday Soothsayer at February 13, 2011 02:31 PM (1Ilmq) Well, you know, you have to invite crazy Uncle Ron to the wedding or your wife's sister will go nuts and then her cousins will join in and before you know it all hell breaks loose. So you invite the old loon, chain him to the bar, and hope he passes out before he starts one of his "The Joos caused the Civil War" rants.

141

Thanks, Deety.

 

142 But the Joos DID cause the Civil War!  Those AK-47s the South Africans brought back to General Lee from the year 2014 were made in ISRAEL!

143

Wait!

What?

Ron Paul was a member of the Young America Foundation??

...who else is...the Golden Girls??

144 In your guts you know he's nuts.

145 145 His positions (again, follow the links) are a mix of positions, many commonly held by juveniles and cranky old farts:

Yeah, it's that 'fringe populism' that convinces me that Uncle Ron's really just about padding Uncle Ron's pocketbook. His presidential 'candidacy' is about as authentic as Trump's, and really designed to get him notice and gigs.

146 Bush was the best President with respect to Israel policy in his first few years.  Then he absolutely collapsed.  His second term was a lurch to the left that was absolutely pathetic.

How so?

In what way?

I'm not being argumentative, I just didn't see that.

Granted, I wasn't looking but give me a pointer on instances that demonstrate his "good" policy towards Israel in his first few years and those that demonstrate "a lurch to the left" later on.

Honestly, I don't know what you are talking about.

147 146 Well, you know, you have to invite crazy Uncle Ron to the wedding or your wife's sister will go nuts and then her cousins will join in and before you know it all hell breaks loose. So you invite the old loon, chain him to the bar, and hope he passes out before he starts one of his "The Joos caused the Civil War" rants.

Which is also why he's a member of the House Financial Services Committee* and the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

*Ranking member, House Subcommittee for Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology

148 You can watch them being all Marxist and shit right on C-SPAN2 (Book TV), Vic!

I watched a few of those questions and answers and I don't get the "commie" link. If there some specific one that stands out?

149

David Duke is a big Ron Paul fan.

Srsly -- do a google advanced search using Ron Paul in the "this exact wording or phrase:" field and davidduke.com/ in the "Search within a site or domain:" field.

You'll get 122 results. To view the actual articles you have to click on the cached pages because Duke sanitizes his web site.

150 If you don't ride the blimp, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't ride the blimp? Resonate!

151 Sarah kept her distance. Smart

152 Here's a hotlink for that, Ed.

http://tinyurl.com/4e8odg9

153 Oh, sorry, that was Bing, not Google. Still...

154 Granted, I wasn't looking but give me a pointer on instances that demonstrate his "good" policy towards Israel in his first few years and those that demonstrate "a lurch to the left" later on.

Honestly, I don't know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Deety at February 13, 2011 02:44 PM (Jb3+B)

When Bush first came in, his policy towards Israel was to let Israel do whatever it felt necessary and to let Israel and the palis work out their differences with each other, finally pulling the US away from the silly position of pushing a "peace process" (which had always been a bad joke) on Israel.

After Bush ran into problems in Iraq, his attitude towards Israel changed.  The US jumped back, headfirst, into trying to force a process on Israel - and it was the same old process that had been discredited so many times before.  Bush also changed and started talking about a Palestinian state, for the first time.  That was a major change.  Part of this was because he was scared that the delicate balance in Iraq was going to be upset by rumblings in Israel.

This is what led to the US forcing Israel to allow elections in Gaza with Hamas being given the official seal of approval (as if there's a difference between the "poltical" and "military" arms of these terrorist orgs).  Again, Israel shared much responsibility - the bulk of it, really - in giving in to these demands.

The peak of this poor policy was seen in the Lebanon/Gaza War, when Israel actually put the whole war on hold for a week to allow everyone and his brother to move from Southern Lebanon to the north.  That was the most unbelievable thing I'd ever seen.  Again, I don't blame Bush fully for forcing that, as Olmert, the idiot, was more than happy to comply, but it was a big, big, big mistake and Bush was part of the reason it happened.

There were other details, but those are the highlights.

155 You can watch them being all Marxist and shit right on C-SPAN2 (Book TV), Vic!

I watched a few of those questions and answers and I don't get the "commie" link. If there some specific one that stands out?

You are an engineer, aren't you?

156 That whole Ron Paul group has toys in their attics...broken toys.

157
Ronpaul is still popular with the CLITS, though.

The Conservatives for Limited International Trade.

158 You are an engineer, aren't you?

No I was in Operations, although in the later years I worked a great deal with engineering.  What exactly about that conference reflected that this was a commie front group?

I would rather not watch the entire hour long video.

159 I don't know if someone's already posted this, but here's an article about the racist newsletters with actual pics of some of them:

http://tinyurl.com/y9ejlof

160
Sarcasm meet Vic, Vic this is Sarcasm.

161 Turning CPAC into a zoo will get me crazy, crazy vote totals!

162 Can't you feel the general public shifting in my direction now!?

163

 That's also why Bush never did the most important task he had - to take Iran out before he left office, which is part of what the Iraq invasion was setting up for. 

One could argue that what Bush did was pave the way for the Green Revolution.  Iraq's dictator toppled, 'Freedom' seeded there.

Certainly the people of Iran noted the strength of conviction of Bush in relation to the weakness of will of Obama.  As such, I can't believe that Obama's stance toward Iran and the Mullahs inspired that movement...so, what did it? 

 I would have a hard time pointing at anything but Bush and his State Department.  I would have to conclude that Bush had an inkling that Revolution was in high probability in Iran, thus staying his Military Hand.

The conspiracy theorist in me would then point you towards Biden's, "He will be tested and his choice will seem to be the wrong choice...". 

That quote is still hanging out there, and it's a BIG FUCKING Grapefruit that came on the heels of the Obama Campaign's first full foriegn policy briefing, iirc.

I think the argument could be made that Bush handed Barky a chance at changing the Iranian power structure, and Barky balked at it.  Because he's a pussy and he couldn't claim 100% credit for it...it also explains the rush to Cairo on Bark's behalf...

164 I got the wind at my back, babay!

165 This will ice the nomination for me!

166 Plus, my guys made fellow conservatives look bad!

167 Like a bunch of fucking nuts!

168 Might as well give up, guys.  I win!

169 Sarcasm meet Vic, Vic this is Sarcasm.

OK, it is hard to discern "sarcasm" from nothing but a printed response. Especially when it was supposed to be answering a legitimate question. Someone on the ONT did say that YAF was a communist front group and after visiting their site I just couldn't find anything that lent itself to that.

I gather then that the answer to the question is, no they are not.

170 Can't even google up a list of who's on the YAF Advisory Board, which gives you some idea of the real world impact of this news.

There are a few random mentions of Cheney and Newt being on the board, but those are from lib-left sites, and usually followed by the words neocon and banksters, so I don't know how accurate that is.

However, that would lend a whole high school grudge flair to the events.

171 130 I have a picture of Ron Paul posing with Rachel Corrie.

No wait, it's a cardboard cutout of her.

Posted by: eman:The People's Front of Logprof at February 13, 2011 02:28 PM (gZVTR)

pssst...it's not cardboard...

172 Dang, glancing at some of that freak's newsletters, I have to wonder if Charles Manson wasn't one of his early disciples.

173 Sounds like someone was thinking of the Yippies and got the names confused.

174 So?  I don't care if I make CPAC look bad. 


It's all about me.  Don't forget it.

175

From the Vanguard News Network:

Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

176
I got a Speaker Alert email from Boner.

I like what I'm seeing. Looks like we have a pro-active Speaker who is also interested in communicating with Americans.

177 You know all that wonderful stuff that comes out of CPAC?  All that stuff that gets overshadowed by my guys acting like horse's asses?  You know, the network soundbytes--you know how they're all about me and my jackass supporters? 

I love fucking over conservatives.  If I can't win, no one will. 

178 --One could argue that what Bush did was pave the way for the Green Revolution.  Iraq's dictator toppled, 'Freedom' seeded there.

They were just ticked that they got screwed in the vote so badly.  Really ticked.  Those Greenies were not against Iran's nuclear ambitions.  And they were not spurred on by Bush's policies.

Iran needs to have its nuke program destroyed, not have popular uprisings occur which just switch the government to another set of lunatics.

Bush knew it was his job to take Iran's nuclear program out.  But he pussied out. And he pussied oput even when he knew an America-hating retard was about to occupy the White House.

--The conspiracy theorist in me would then point you towards Biden's, "He will be tested and his choice will seem to be the wrong choice...".

Obama is an enemy of the US and the West.  Period.  There's not much more to be said about him. ... except that he's an idiot, too.  And a nasty prick.

Every choice that Barky has made has been the wrong choice.  Every single one.  Even the choices that people point to as being somewhat sane, like the go-ahead to shoot the Somali pirates or the troop surge in Afghanistan, were fucked up and resisted by Barky.  He wouldn't give the orders to shoot the somali pirates for two days - being the ass that he is (remember the captain having gone over the side in teh beginning, but no one was given the order to take out the pirate scum, so he got scooped right back up - until those on site finally took the action on their own.  If things hadn't worked out so well, you know they would have been crucified.  And on the Afghan surge, Barky intentionally stalled taht decision for almost half a year, leaving our troops and strategy to hang in the wind in the meantime, finally only grudgingly allowing 3/4 of the troops requested, but at the wrong time to have them over in season.

I guess the only decent decision by Barky without all the attempts to harm America in the process was to let the drone attacks go on.  Thank G-d for small favors.

179 After Bush ran into problems in Iraq, his attitude towards Israel changed.  The US jumped back, headfirst, into trying to force a process on Israel - and it was the same old process that had been discredited so many times before.  Bush also changed and started talking about a Palestinian state, for the first time.  That was a major change.  Part of this was because he was scared that the delicate balance in Iraq was going to be upset by rumblings in Israel.

Yeah, that mostly tracks with what I thought I was seeing but I find your characterization of this as "a lurch to the left" too big a bite to swallow.

I always took it more as responding to conditions on the field, as they were. 

It's one thing to have a "hand's off policy", in 2002 but you can't possibly imagine that that could be sustained once we were at war in both Iraq and Afghanistan!

None of this was "unilateral".

We needed and still need our international allies and their support.  I'm afraid that that involves paying homage to the shibboleth of the "Peace Process" (stupid, pointless and ultimately destructive as it is).

I just don't buy that GWB (for all his faults) just rolled out of bed one morning and said to Laura, "You know what darlin'?  I've long thought that Jimmy Carter is probably right about all this.  It's about time I start acting that way!".

180

They were just ticked that they got screwed in the vote so badly.  Really ticked.  Those Greenies were not against Iran's nuclear ambitions.  And they were not spurred on by Bush's policies.

Again - I don't think that's the case...but I can hear Condie making a similar argument based on what was going on at the time.  Like why we never reacted to the insurgency out of Iran during the Iraq operation. 

I always thought / hoped Bush was clearing the way for Israel to do it...and that he just pussed out.  Partly because of who he is, and partly because of what was to follow his administration.  

Ultimately, he made the same mistake his father made. 

Gettin' yer War-on, and losin' your Hard-on is no way to go through life.

181 I would rather not watch the entire hour long video.

No, Vic.  You would not but it does make for some nice TV noise to doze off to on a lazy weekend afternoon...earnest young conservative kids asking questions on how to expand their little expansive mushbrains with solid literature..Zzzzz...

(I find it soothing.)

Didn't mean to tease you.

Sorry.

182

I guess the only decent decision by Barky without all the attempts to harm America in the process was to let the drone attacks go on.  Thank G-d for small favors.

I'd like to believe that's largely out of his hands. 

That the threat of WMD based attacks have isolated him from abandoning that program.  It has really stepped up in yemen, has it not?

183

Gettin' yer War-on, and losin' your Hard-on is no way to go through life.

I'm stealing this.  Excellent.  Applies in so many situations. Macro or Micro.

184 Didn't mean to tease you.

LOL, I don't mind. Snark is what we do best here.

185 182 I got a Speaker Alert email from Boner.

I like what I'm seeing. Looks like we have a pro-active Speaker who is also interested in communicating with Americans.

Is it about his promise that the "entitlement problem" will be on the table for the FY '12 budget? I will be interested to see that, since he let entitlement reform be written into the alternative budgets when the Rs were in the minority but he's never really embraced or offered an idea on that point.

Also interesting: the freshmen's input will be sought when writing the new budget.

186 Snark attack!!!

187

Cause Mitt Romney is boring....Dan.........

I'm really hoping for a Rick Santorum spammer in the coming months.

188

--That the threat of WMD based attacks have isolated him from abandoning that program. 

That seems to be the case.  He really didn't want to be distracted by foreign issues while he was working so hard to take the US apart from the inside.  He figured that he did enough damage, on the foreign front, with his World Traitor Tour (and he did) so he just wanted to be left alone to fuck up Congress and our legislative processes while pushing through the most un-American, abhorrent legislation the US has known ... and spending more money than one can shake a continent at.

--It has really stepped up in yemen, has it not?

Posted by: garrett at February 13, 2011 03:26 PM (QU8F7)

So they say.  But we keep getting attacked from Yemeni-based/Yemeni-inspired jihadis. Though, they are all just isolated instances, together

189 I also saw Boehner was unwilling to condemn neither birthers nor people who believe Obumbles is a Muslim.

When the host of NBC’s “Meet the Press” asked Boehner whether he, as speaker of the House, had a responsibility to “stand up to that kind of ignorance,” Boehner told David Gregory: “It’s not my job to tell the American people what to think."

Which is the same answer Cantor gave when Gregory asked him.

190

In case it wasn't mentioned above in any of the comments (and I haven't bothered to read them), Ace put in place a policy during the last election that Ron Paul (at least the senior one) was to be referred to as "Professor Science."

Not sure if the policy has changed.

Just making a note of it as all.

191 I gotta say that besides Paul, the tongue bath that Gingrich (Loser!) and Huckabee (Populist  Liar)get from Fox really makes me grind my teeth

192

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 02:59 PM (zxpIo)

Those newsletter excerpts are very interesting because they blend legitimate concerns with unfounded accusations. This is an eternal propaganda trick. IIRC it was last used to great effect about 70 years ago.

193  I'd prefer Boehner and Cantor do exactly that and stay out of birther territory

194 Professor Science

MDs are not scientists.  Just sayin'. 

195 Gabe,

You are dating yourself,  YAF now calls itself the Young Americans Fountain.

When I joined in 64, Goldwater, we had YAF buttons.  Yugoslavian Air Force was what we would tell everyone.  In 64 YAF was a little too close to the birchers for me.

196 201  I'd prefer Boehner and Cantor do exactly that and stay out of birther territory

Yep.  The things Obama is hiding will come out eventually anyway.

197 So I was on the far side of the Marriott Ballroom, with a lot of other college students and Paultards. The Campaign for Liberty people left after the straw poll during the beginning of Allen West. That basically summarized their interest in the future of the conservative movement. By the end of cpac the non paultards under 25 were openly mocking these people. So are they our version of the SEIU? Bussed in to falsify burgeoning support?

198 Logprof and Nickless defense fund, give a hobo to help.

(Five day limit, no maggots please)

199 Those newsletter excerpts are very interesting because they blend legitimate concerns with unfounded accusations. This is an eternal propaganda trick. IIRC it was last used to great effect about 70 years ago.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 13, 2011 03:40 PM (7+pP9)

I didn't find anything objectionable in those newsletter excerpts.  I remember the "needling" story from the straight press.  It was a big deal.

As to the others, I think that the thoughts the blog writer infers are more telling than the content of the newsletters.  He was mad that someone would advocate shooting carjackers?  Really?  Do you remember what things were like for a couple of summers when carjacking was the rage?  It was ugly.  And it was dangerous.

And the stories about the riots after sports wins were not far off.  Again, the blog writer goes to pains to talk about how whites and hispanics were also involved in the rioting (funny how asians didn't seem to make it in, to the blog writer's rioting group), but we all know how these riots first started.  Then they spread - just as car jacking did.  Now we are entreated to lily white riots of idiots at colleges.  But that was not always the case, which is what the newsletter seemed to be talking about.

I think people like to make up stuff, because there was nothing objectionable in those excerpts that I saw.

200 201  I'd prefer Boehner and Cantor do exactly that and stay out of birther territory

Agreed. Anyway, I'm more happy they're finally coordinating messaging on some issues than anything. Their message discipline has been terrible as of late.

201 202Professor Science

MDs are not scientists.  Just sayin'. 
  Thanks for clearing that up. Perhaps you missed the snark factor? Because that sort of shit almost never happens around here.

202 I didn't find anything objectionable in those newsletter excerpts.

Srsly?  You're cool with his advice that everyone carry an unregistered gun in their car for the specific purpose of killing young blacks and then leaving the scene immediately and disposing of the "wiped off gun?"  Did you enjoy the part in the slideshow where he titles one section "The Coming Race War?"  (That's the part that made me think of Charles Manson, btw.)  The part where he refers to MKL Day as "our annual Hate Whitey Day?"  You don't think those are clues to a less than stellar personality?  Yowza.

203

After Bush ran into problems in Iraq, his attitude towards Israel changed.  The US jumped back, headfirst, into trying to force a process on Israel - and it was the same old process that had been discredited so many times before.  Bush also changed and started talking about a Palestinian state, for the first time.  That was a major change.  Part of this was because he was scared that the delicate balance in Iraq was going to be upset by rumblings in Israel.

That's wrong. Bush pushed the Pali state in June 2002, just as he started pushing for war with Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with Bush's Israeli policy.

Bush kept his hands off the whole situation throughout 2001, when the Intifada was raging. By 2002, as it was starting to slow down, Bush proposed the peace process, including a separate Pali state.

204 Odd, just got a "This service is unavailable. Please try again later." message when I refreshed a minute ago.

205 --You're cool with his advice that everyone carry an unregistered gun in their car for the specific purpose of killing young blacks and then leaving the scene immediately and disposing of the "wiped off gun?" 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  That is not what the newsletter said.  It talked about carjackers and the idea of the clean gun was to protect normal people from having to go to jail because someone tried to carjack them and they had to shoot him.

Would you be so outraged if someone said the same thing to ranchers on the border about illegals running amok on their land?  Many people talked about just that after that insane ruling by the 9th circuit a week ago, upholding that ridiculous judgment against the rancher.

Did you live through the carjacking era?  In a major city?

--Did you enjoy the part in the slideshow where he titles one section "The Coming Race War?"  (That's the part that made me think of Charles Manson, btw.) 

I didn't watch the slide show.  I assumed the best parts were the excerpts in the text.  So someone was worried about a coming race war?  That makes him a bad person?  Is he bad for thinking that there might come a race war or bad for saying that he thinks there might?  Or do you think the idea that the US could descend into such racial animus and outright hostility is impossible?

--The part where he refers to MKL Day as "our annual Hate Whitey Day?"  You don't think those are clues to a less than stellar personality?  Yowza.

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 03:55 PM (zxpIo)

This is, again, what I'm talking about.  But, ace doesn't like these discussions, so I would just answer with, "How would you characterize the Congressional Black Caucus?"

As to MLK Day, it's interesting that MLK was the only individual American in our whole history who rates a federal holiday.  That's kind of weird, don't you think.

You can disagree with everything you have cited from the newsletter, but to scream about how it's "raaaacist" and beyond the pale is not to live in reality.  It can be incorrect, but that doesn't make it some horrible hate speech. It wasn't.

206 I'm not a Paul fan, but I worry when people dismiss concerns about the international banking community's negative influence on world affairs as "conspiracy theories."

All of the Fed's policies under Bernanke have been about enriching the banks at the expense of the citizenry.

The fascist (in the denotative sense) ties between various Western governments and big  banking is undeniable. Just look at the revolving door between the financial sector and the political structure. The current banking system is a cancer that is actively and intentionally destroying its host.

And the host is the middle class.

Do I believe in a conspiracy to create One World Government? Not a formal governing body. That is not only unrealistic, but counter-productive to the interests of the ruling class.

What I do think is that there is a conspiracy to consolidate power, wealth, and control of world affairs among a self-chosen few--an unstructured shadow government of sorts that exists only to further the interest of its members.

And I believe it because the actions of the top wealth holders point to it. I believe it because I have observed nothing that provides evidence that the power brokers at the top would ever put country above their personal interests ... and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Just think, our own presidential nominee, John McCain, told the entire country that we had nothing to fear from a man who he knew to be an anti-American Marxist intent on destroying our country.

A man who is a torch bearer for the very same ideology that McCain fought against. An ideology that landed McCain a hellish 5 years stay in a POW camp where he was tortured so badly that he can no longer raise his arms above his shoulders.

Why would McCain say such a thing? Why would so many other powerful people stay silent? A rational speculation would lead one to the conclusion that it's because they know that a guy like Obama can cause grave harm to us, but the damage won't touch them personally.

They are insulated.

Patriotism does not exist at the top. There are no lasting boundaries or loyalties. It's all about control--control of wealth, resources, and power. But most of all, control over people.

And if that means throwing open the boarders to get more uneducated, low-income dependents on the dole, then that's what will happen. And if that means giving massive borrowing in order to give banks low interest loans that they will then use to buy the very debt that you used to finance them, then that's what it means.

And if it means working across borders and governments to get more, to control more, then that's what it means.

It's happening every day right in front of our faces. It's so out in the open, so obvious, that people think it can't possibly be the case.

But when 95% of your population can't be bothered to pay attention to any topic that isn't sports, or the latest 4G phone app, or Jersey Shore, who who fucked who at the office ... well, it's pretty easy to pull it off, isn't it?

207 I miss football.

208

Bush kept his hands off the whole situation throughout 2001, when the Intifada was raging. By 2002, as it was starting to slow down, Bush proposed the peace process, including a separate Pali state.

Posted by: The Q at February 13, 2011 03:58 PM (AXHCj)

My mistake.  Thanks for the correction.

209
On Thursday night at CPAC 2011, Speaker Boehner discussed the new majority's commitment to creating a better environment for job creation by liberating our economy from the shackles of debt, excessive regulations, and over-taxation. Boehner noted that this week the House will vote to cut $100 billion in spending over the next seven months with more cuts to come.

Stopping the Washington Regulatory Assault on Small Businesses & Removing Barriers to Job Growth

In a series of hearings and legislation last week, Republicans focused on creating a better environment for economic growth by taking on the federal regulations that are creating uncertainty and making it harder to create new jobs a key part of the Pledge to America. Small businesses called on Washington to stop the regulatory assault on the private sector, saying The uncertainty being created by Washington is stifling a small business recovery. One small business owner told the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee that, "Regulatory costs require business owners like me to devote more time and resources to government compliance, which means less capital devoted to investment and job creation." President Obama spoke to job creators in the spirit of 'being more neighborly,' even as he pushes for more 'stimulus' and higher taxes, and his party fights to protect hundreds of job-crushing federal regulations. Read more. The director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) testified that the Democrats health care law “ with its maze of new federal rules, mandates, and penalties“ will destroy roughly 800,000 jobs. A group of 28 Republican governors sent a letter to President Obama underscoring the impact of the health care law's mandates on cash-strapped states and struggling small businesses. The head of the president's own economic advisory panel is pushing for action on three pending free trade agreements to help boost U.S. exports by at least $13 billion and help create new jobs.

Cutting Spending and Ending the Job-Crushing 'Stimulus' Spending Binge

Here are some quick facts about H.R. 1, the bill that goes beyond the Pledge to America and cuts $100 billion in spending over the next few months. Speaker Boehner said 'deficit spending is causing job creators in America to hold back,' and that's why you're going to see this Congress "cut, cut, cut" spending. Two leaders of the so-called 'Blue Dog' Democrats broke with the White House and signaled they may be unwilling to raise the debt limit without 'significant cuts' in spending.Rep. Sean Duffy (R-WI) introduced legislation to cancel unspent 'stimulus' spending. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told the House Budget Committee that the spending binge of recent years is hurting job creation. Washington Democrats all but admitted they don't have a plan for helping create new jobs that doesn't involve more 'stimulus' spending and debt.

Also This Week

Vivian Butler - a parent of one of the children in the landmark D.C. landmark school choice program - wrote an op-ed about what the program has meant for her daughter and her family.

210
wow that sucks

211

I miss football.

Dallas has a good game going in the 2nd.

212 Aww poor little hillbillies are upset with DEM DURRR GAY TYPES at Cpac.

How dare people question killing hundreds of thousands of brown people in retaliation to a terrorist attack! I mean they just hate our freedom! Not our installment of dictatorial governments throughout the middle east... no way.

IF YOU DON'T HATE GAYS, AND YOU DON'T LIKE TO KILL BROWN PEOPLE OVERSEAS YOU MUST BE A RACISSSTTTTTTT.

Inbreeding does some terrible things my young Neo-con padawans.

213 Shhhh be quiet we don't want to scare it off, could be fun later.

214

i can't wait for the primaries to start

imagine if a bus load of paulbots pull up next to a busload of palinistas

EPIC!!!!

**disclosure**  i'm a palinista of course

215

214 What I do think is that there is a conspiracy to consolidate power, wealth, and control of world affairs among a self-chosen few--an unstructured shadow government of sorts that exists only to further the interest of its members.

It's communism under a different name. Everybody has to suffer for some greater good except the people in charge.

This is what happens when governments get married to businesses instead of staying out of things except to break up monopolies and such. The top 2% of businesses and the entire government (short of, say, FBI agents) become a monopoly, and everyone else is supposed to lie back and thing of England.

216 217 I'm surprised he hasn't been talking more about this regulatory reform initiative, actually. It's been in all the DC circulars, various conservative pols' Facebook pp, and in the Republican leadership conference update, but I haven't seen it talked about much elsewhere.

Also, I will give credit to Boehner for bending the arms of the appropriators (mostly Chairman Hal Rogers, Rep. Latham, and the "urban congresscritters) on the budget cuts. My understanding from a host of pieces I have read is that they were the holdouts.

217 220  this is your brain on drugs..............

218

Not sure if the policy has changed.  Just making a note of it is all.

Who the hell is sock-puppeting ghenghis?

Knock it off dude!

That shit ain't cool.  You don't puppet regular commenters!

The real ghengis would have issued a Memo outlining "the policy" in no uncertain terms and slyly insinuating that compliance and failure to comply will be enforced but there is no hope anyway, because they were all wondering at your last performance review why you hadn't already hung yourself.

219

^{**disclosure**  i'm a palinista of course}

Ahoy!

220

222  imagine if a bus load of paulbots pull up next to a busload of palinistas

imagine if i could post something in correct english.....my chicago teachers have failed me

221 225 220  this is your brain on drugs.............. Posted by: navycopjoe at

That about sums it up.

I like how the imbecile threw gays into it for some weird reason.

I could build a random word generator that made more sense.

222

^{Posted by: Alexk at February 13, 2011 04:12 PM (mzcqY)}

So.  You fuck small, defenseless, farm animals? 

I think that's what I got out of your post...but my comprehension is at an ebb right now.

223

imagine if i could post something in correct english.....my chicago teachers have failed me

They do illiteracy well, in Chicago.  Second City, my ass! 

224 Dave is going to get an e-mail, from an "anonymous" commenter talking about how his work and home IPs had both been marked as spam and he would really appreciate his help.  And in doing this would consider him to be up among the greats like Spider-Man, Iron Man and, of course, Captain America.

225 And I put that in the wrong thread

226 Posted by: Warden at February 13, 2011 04:07 PM (V6HDd)

I think the Fed was a horrible idea from the get-go, but I don't blame some international cabal of JOOOOOOO bankers for it. That's the difference. In Paul's case, it's more of a problem with his supporters. He'd probably sound less crazy if some of his supporters weren't batshit crazy. The tail is wagging the dog to some extent, although one has to wonder why, exactly, he attracts so many loons to begin with.

227 For a guy who habitually wins (overwhelmingly) every straw poll starting 20 months out, has Ron Paul ever won a presidential primary or caucus in any state? Has he ever finished second in a race with more than two candidates? Has he ever finished third in a race with more than three candidates?

Has he ever crashed double digits in any primary or caucus?

When his supporters offer an argument other than "He's the clear front-runner and the people's favorite," I'll waste my time listening.

Poll: Which Ron has the most annoying followers?
- Ron Paul
- Ron Hubbard
- Ron Reagan Jr.

228 The tail is wagging the dog to some extent, although one has to wonder why, exactly, he attracts so many loons to begin with.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 13, 2011 04:22 PM (mABIe)

Monetary and economic issues have always brought out Jew-haters.  Jews are even mentioned, explicitly, in the Magna Carta with respect to "debts owed to Jews" in settling the estates of dead peers - though it's pretty clear that this is not a swipe at Jews, since one clause says that debts owed to non-Jews are treated in the same fashion.

229 **disclosure** i'm a palinista of course
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 13, 2011 04:14 PM (uIQK6)

Don't know if you saw it (it seems to have gone unnoticed here) but she hired a chief of staff on Friday, which probably means she's going to be hiring more people. I don't know if that means she's running or if she just needs help recruiting and vetting candidates for Congress in 2012, but it certainly means something.

230 Did you live through the carjacking era?  In a major city?

I live in Los Angeles.  "Carjacking era?"  Don't make me laugh . . .

231 Poll: Which Ron has the most annoying followers?
- Ron Paul
- Ron Hubbard
- Ron Reagan Jr.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at February 13, 2011 04:24 PM (xqhoO)

Ron Popeil.

232 Has he ever finished second in a race with more than two candidates? Has he ever finished third in a race with more than three candidates?

Unfortunately he did second place in 10 States and 3rd in 17. He actually got more delegates than teh Fred but Fred dropped out right after the SC primary.

233 I live in Los Angeles.  "Carjacking era?"  Don't make me laugh . . .

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 04:28 PM (zxpIo)

Well, on the east coast, when carjacking was the fashion, there were reports of it happening all the time.  That went on for at least 2 or 3 years. 

234 I think the Fed was a horrible idea from the get-go, but I don't blame some international cabal of JOOOOOOO bankers for it.

I blame bankers for the way they use the Fed to steal money from others.

Right now a bank can borrow from the Fed at a low rate of interest, then buy Treasuries used to finance that loan for a higher rate of interest.

It's fucking insane that banks could enrich themselves so greatly by doing something that a) is nothing more than theft and b) takes no skill at all.

Try this giving your teenager $5,000 at 1% interest. Then point him to a CD that yields 2.3%. See if he can figure out a way to make a profit. I bet he can.

As far as the Joooo angle, are most bankers Jewish? I have no idea. I've never bothered to check. If they are, then they are. If they aren't they aren't. The problem is the people running the banks, not the Jewish faith.

235 The tail is wagging the dog to some extent, although one has to wonder why, exactly, he attracts so many loons to begin with.

That's a big part of my utter revulsion with Ron Paul.  Even when he espouses something that makes sense to me, that I agree with, I have spent way too much time listening to his cabal of insane followers to ever consider jumping on that bandwagon.  They are, without doubt, some of the most brain-damaged people our nation has ever produced.

236 (Five day limit, no maggots please)

FU Kemp!  You will take what I give you and like it!

Besides, they are good for you and I made a yummy dipping sauce.

237 I'm very concerned with the international cabal of JOOOO comedians.

238
I didn't find anything objectionable in those newsletter excerpts.  I remember the "needling" story from the straight press.  It was a big deal.

And the "straight press" also "reported" that Reagan's CIA invented AIDs and inflicted it upon the "Black Community" in order to destroy it. They also "reported" that crack cocaine was a creation of the Reagen CIA, imported into America to destroy black inner cities.

Those press lies were also big deals. And they still persist today.

That's the kind of fucking garbage the "straight press" (and WTF is the "straight press"?) has peddled for far too many years.

Objectionable? You should find it far more than that.

239 215 I miss football. and Cheerleaders

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 13, 2011 04:09 PM (iMgAa) 

FIFY

240 243 The tail is wagging the dog to some extent, although one has to wonder why, exactly, he attracts so many loons to begin with.

That's a big part of my utter revulsion with Ron Paul.  Even when he espouses something that makes sense to me, that I agree with, I have spent way too much time listening to his cabal of insane followers to ever consider jumping on that bandwagon.  They are, without doubt, some of the most brain-damaged people our nation has ever produced.

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 04:32 PM (zxpIo)

That's what I was trying to get at earlier.  There are likely teams that you absolutely hate, not because of anything the team has done but because of their interactions with the fans.    I think Ohio State can be used as a good example here.  Many commenters have voiced a hating of OSU because of dealing with their fans.  Its a similar circumstance happening with Ron Paul.  The name association always brings you back to those people who you just can't stand.

241 Those press lies were also big deals. And they still persist today.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 13, 2011 04:35 PM (7+pP9)

I wasn't talking about overarching theories of "needling", but a couple of specific crimes that happened in New York City.  It was like the wilding incident that happened to the Central Park jogger and some reports about that afterwards.

242 Right, buzzion.  Plus the fact that Ron Paul, to my knowledge, has never once asked his coalition of deranged psychos to tone it down.  So, yeah, it really does reflect back on him, imo.

243 238 Did you live through the carjacking era?  In a major city?

I live in Los Angeles.  "Carjacking era?"  Don't make me laugh . . .

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 04:28 PM (zxpIo)

no shit Peaches when i was squatting at Sunset and Van Ness I used to freak out at having to leave my car on the street every night i was there.

244 no shit Peaches when i was squatting at Sunset and Van Ness I used to freak out at having to leave my car on the street every night i was there.

I had 3 cars stolen from right in front of my house (in a very nice, very pricey neighborhood).  Unfortunately, LA is overrun with the sort of people who feel no qualms about simply taking what they want, no matter who it belongs to.  Most of these people appear to be guests alien invaders in our country, emboldened by Special Order 40.  _spits

245 or if she just needs help recruiting and vetting candidates for Congress in 2012

It's never too late to start, eh? 

246 Unfortunately, LA is overrun with the sort of people who feel no qualms about simply taking what they want, no matter who it belongs to.  Most of these people appear to be guests alien invaders in our country, emboldened by Special Order 40 elected politicians and bureaucrats. 


fify Peaches
;-)

247 no shit Peaches when i was squatting at Sunset and Van Ness I used to freak out at having to leave my car on the street every night i was there.

Holy shit.  It scared the shit out of me to leave my car there for ten minutes during the daytime.  (Actually walking down Van Ness was even more terrifying.)  Can't even imagine parking it there all night.

248

I watched a short speech by Ron Paul at the CPAC convention and though He spoke agianst the military industrial complex and the Fed, spoke about the great American constitution I still felt a great unease in the pit of my stomach. .  I suddenly just knew He hated Joooooos.  I felt it all the way up here in Canada. Funny how that is sometimes eh guys!

 

249 This is exactly what I'm talking about.  That is not what the newsletter said.  It talked about carjackers and the idea of the clean gun was to protect normal people from having to go to jail because someone tried to carjack them and they had to shoot him.

Would you be so outraged if someone said the same thing to ranchers on the border about illegals running amok on their land?  Many people talked about just that after that insane ruling by the 9th circuit a week ago, upholding that ridiculous judgment against the rancher.

WTF?

I have oft times kept my one and only (legal) .38 handy, in the car with me on some trips down to Douglas, AZ by my little ol' self, despite explicit company policies prohibiting the carrying of firearms in the vehicle whilst on company time...

(STG, It's one of the many things I consider when I decide to drive CCW.)

I always figured that if I had to use deadly force on AZ 80 the least of my fucking worries was going to be getting a ding from Human Resources!

These nutballs advocate that I carry a drop gun and try to run and avoid the fuzz?

That's insane!

Hows about, I shoot a bandito, call for and flag down whatever help I can find, most especially LEOs, barf myself silly, stop shaking from the adrenaline, shut up and wait for the good laws of AZ to see me through...

That seems kind of overwhelming enough, to me.

250 About the only people on Earth ruder and more annoying than Ron Paul fans are Ani DeFranco fans.

251

Yeah, peaches @ #243, that's what Hitler, Goebbels, Borman, Goring and Borman said about Admiral Canaris and his conspirators. Don't expect you to get the gist of what I'm saying.

Whoa, peaches, buzzion, ed anger and garret. Someone left the door open at the lunatic asylum today. Or could it be that they're all posting from there?

252 _{Hey Uncle Ron!  How'm I doin?}

253 253 no shit Peaches when i was squatting at Sunset and Van Ness I used to freak out at having to leave my car on the street every night i was there.

I had 3 cars stolen from right in front of my house (in a very nice, very pricey neighborhood).  Unfortunately, LA is overrun with the sort of people who feel no qualms about simply taking what they want, no matter who it belongs to.  Most of these people appear to be guests alien invaders in our country, emboldened by Special Order 40.  _spits

Posted by: Peaches say Free the AoS Two!! at February 13, 2011 04:53 PM (zxpIo)

you ever see the pics of the toyota truck found in the desert of afghanistan with california plates? true story. It was a stolen car.

254 256 no shit Peaches when i was squatting at Sunset and Van Ness I used to freak out at having to leave my car on the street every night i was there.

Holy shit.  It scared the shit out of me to leave my car there for ten minutes during the daytime.  (Actually walking down Van Ness was even more terrifying.)  Can't even imagine parking it there all night.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at February 13, 2011 05:00 PM (wnVMH)

BTW that was a seriously freaky time of my life and the only reason i did it was that i was officially out of my mind. The person i did it for didnt care about me at all, I am convinced, or they would have just come home for the night, and been concerned for my safety. I could NOT believe that neighborhood, and i am glad to hear that you feel the same way about it as i did. As it was i was kinda worried i was just being an unreasonably sheltered country girl.

255 Ron Paul has become a parody. He is the right-wing Lyndon LaRouche.complete with a following of personality-worshiping drones.

256 Posted by: Deety at February 13, 2011 05:09 PM (Jb3+B)

I didn't say that it was good advice, only that it wasn't raaacist advice.  The newsletter seemed to be from a while ago, and states had only started changing back to the "stand your ground" laws within the last decade or two.  The newsletter advice might have been in response to events like the Bernhard Goetz shooting in New York, where his life was destroyed because he defended himself against a bunch of kids looking to do him harm.  Even lately, we had that story (from New Jersey, I think) about the guy who pulled his gun on the gang members on his own lawn, threatening his family, and he got arrested.

Frankly, carrying an unlicensed gun in a big city is asking for tons of serious trouble, but that is a different issue from the interminable cries of "raaacist!" over things like this.

257 226 

Not sure if the policy has changed.  Just making a note of it is all.

Who the hell is sock-puppeting ghenghis?

Knock it off dude!

That shit ain't cool.  You don't puppet regular commenters!

The real ghengis would have issued a Memo outlining "the policy" in no uncertain terms and slyly insinuating that compliance and failure to comply will be enforced but there is no hope anyway, because they were all wondering at your last performance review why you hadn't already hung yourself.

Not to mention that I would've added a pic titled "Artist's Depiction of a Sock Puppet." And a reference to "The Warriors."

 

258

you ever see the pics of the toyota truck found in the desert of afghanistan with california plates? true story. It was a stolen car.

Posted by: Gushka at February 13, 2011 05:22 PM (93zw2)

OMG!  Never saw it, but I do believe you.  One of mine, we were fairly certain, ended up in Japan (it was a collectible-type vehicle).  The others, well, one just assumes Mexico.

259

According to Gabe, Ron Paul isn't really conservative, but GOProud is.

Paul is not a racist, but Gabe continues with the smears anyway, kinda like how leftists constantly smear the Tea Party as racist without evidence.

And as for his CPAC straw poll win being due to "a couple hundred" college punks who were bussed in, he got 30% of the vote out of 3742 votes cast. Do the math, and you'll see you're wrong. As usual.

260 There is some confusion here about YAF. Young Americans Foundation is a group that that provides speakers and acts as a sort of think tank for conservative ideas. Young American's for Freedom is a conservative activist group, who makes a "living" doing protests and having conservative speakers come to college and high school campuses. I was a member of the Michigan State University YAF chapter. We were put on the Southern Poverty Law Centers "hate group" list... for actions such as having Congressman Tom Tancredo come speak at our school, holding a bake sale to show the inequality of Affirmative Action, and offering a $1000 reward for information leading to the legal capture and deportation of an illegal immigrant (and the money was out of our members pockets, voluntarily given) Please don't confuse the two groups.

261 I've thought about it.  More than most, I would guess.

Because he's financed his rinky dink election campaigns over the years with a racist newsletter that caters to these shitbags, you numbskull. Guess what else? His teabagging son used the same campaign staff and holds the same ass backwards prejudices about Israel. The fruit fell right by the other fruit.

262 But don't make the mistake of thinking that those views are that different from what we've had or the real shit we have now.

I'll go even further. Ron Paul gets conspicuous amounts of earmarks, and really good shit like NASA money. He courts *real* racists, but never gets called out by the left. I think his record fundraising in 2008 was a test run for Obama's campaign, and I think he led the antiwar libertarians over to the left by refusing to endorse the Republican nominee. Ron Paul sucks from the same OPEC titty as Obama.

263 sesli sex thank

264 Whoa, I didn't know the Yaffers had that much sense. Good on them.

265 The things Obama is hiding will come out eventually anyway.

When he's out of office, they will gleefully reveal everything we've always said about him was true, it wasn't that bad, and we're gullible, anyway. They will use it to significantly "transform" our nation and its Constitution.

266 I just knew I'd see the usual hate spin on AoSHQ. Predictable.
We get one guy, who most of us agree with at a 90% rate, maybe a 100% rate on the FED, and you guys join the herd.
I can't even imagine trying to be good politician, a truthful one. The mob would have just have to find something wrong. Always. In defense of Ron Paul at my link.

267 LUAP NOR si a norom!

268 There are a lot of anti-Semites around. It's ugly, and even uglier when it has power.
And no, I won't vote for an anti-Semite, nor for anyone who's ever presided over a tax increase, nor for a Mormon (especially one who's socialized medicine), nor for anyone who's ever even remotely endorsed AGW, nor light-bulb banners
(Just to give you some stick: no gay "marriage" advocates, no abortion "rights" advocates, no potheads.) Who does that leave us?