1 If I win, great, and if I lose, I'll drag down the Republican candidate and the Democrats will win.  It's win-win! 

2

But it sounds and awful lot like he's just checking boxes off a list, and when questions are asked about his commitment to these positions or just his sincerity in expressing them, the answer seems to be "Look, I've said it."

Like: "Look, I said what you wanted me to say."

Reminds me of "Let me be clear".

3 Still don't buy it. Going from a place where he's not criticized and in total control of his image (Trump Real Estate, The Apprentice) to the Presidency? Nah, he's promoting himself. Maybe he runs in the primaries, not gonna blow the money on an independent run.

Besides, he's a serial bankrupt. Could anyone who's declared bankruptcy 4 times actually win in the middle of a debt crisis?

4 Well, I thought the time would never come when I looked like Presidential material!

5
As a candidate, Trump is weaksauce.

As a bomb-thrower, Trump is useful.

6

Is it going to work? No, I don't think so. And don't even get me started on what I think his soon-to-be-leaked divorce records will turn up.

And Obama's team is quite proficient at getting even sealed divorce records into the public's eye, shades of what happened to Jack Ryan, anybody?

History doesn't repeat itself, it stutters.

7 I'm not so sure that Trump would take GOP votes.  He seems more urban and suburban working class; and how many working class Republicans are there, and who would they vote for instead?

8 He has tested the waters, and they can float his ego.

9 I can not see the draw in Trump for supposed conservatives. He is not a conservative, and most importantly, he is not even a Republican.

He want to run as a Republican because it has an open Primary. Personally outside of NH, I don't think he has a chance in hell. He will only serve as a "spoiler".

10
And as Hugh Hewitt would coyly ask, "You know who this helps?"

It's true in this case; Trump helps Mitt a) stay out of the fray, and b) look presidential.

And Trump helps Newt, too, because compared to Trump, Newt has substance.

11 I think I'll give this Trump candidacy some real thought here.

<puts on thinking cap>

Okay, I'm over that. Next topic?

12 Perhaps, at best, this gets some of the other sleepy candidates to up their game.

13
Has Trump announced his undying love for Israel, yet?

That's when we'll know for sure he's serious about stroking the base.

14

1. He's a Manchurian candidate, which is in keeping with several false 'tea party' candidates created by state level Dems. This would be a trojan horse of epic proportions.

2. He's as much of a nutjob as many people suspect he is. (definition of an eccentric: A madman with money.

3. He's a huckster, like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, looking to interfere and be paid off (in money, attention, flattery, publicity).

4. He's sincere.

 

At this point, I don't know, and we may never truly know. What we do know is that people believed very easily that Christine O'Donnell was a huckster. We should compare and contrast what he's doing with that. Occam's razor suggests that #2 or #3 are the most likely possibilities.

15

I think people just want an aggressive posture towards Obama. I get that emotionally, but I think people are not asking themselves if a tough-talker is the best type of candidate to actually do the job that's necessary, of if tough-talk is emotionally pleasing and cathartic but actually not central to the important thing, which isn't talk, but action and victory.

This is why I keep pushing candidates with less-big personalities. Yeah, they're not exciting. But I don't want this election to turn on whether the public finds our candidate acceptable. I want our candidate's acceptability to be sort of the default position, not really the central question at all.

I wish I could tattoo this on the sky so that every time someone said "I like Sarah/Trump/Bachmann because THEY FIGHT" I could just gesture towards it by way of explanation.  Any respectable counterargument has to go directly through these two paragraphs and I doubt that any can.

16

I couldn't even finish the thread.

With all that is going on, I cannot believe this guy is even in the conversation.

17 Perhaps, at best, this gets some of the other sleepy candidates to up their game.

Yeah, this is the real problem.  All the serious candidates are so timid that there's a vacuum to be filled by someone with actual ambition.

18 The stupid pills have been consumed widely, it seems. Every single one of you who think that Trump is serious is getting punked. "There, I said it," I added with a Freudian frisson. Nevertheless, let's play pretend and say Trump runs as a GOP candidate. He won't win that, period. What he can do is run as an independent and hand Barry re-election on a platinum-plated gold platter, with the Trump logo emblazoned upon it in a repoussé of diamonds and citrines.

19

No, no, no, no.

Are Republicans at that point where they will vote for anyone that will go after Obama, conservative or not? More importantly, are the GOP primary voters in Iowa, New hampshire and South Carolina? Because by then, it will probably be over.

We're doomed.  

20

If he has any skeleton's in his closet right now and if the gov't were to come after him, it would be very hard to get people to believe that it wasn't some sort of Obama led vendetta. 

Talk about cya.  This is the mother of all cya, imo.

21 I want to see a certificate from whoever "does" his hair.  Bad comb-over?  Weird hair piece(s)?  Inquiring minds, and all that.

22 O/T

If you ever questioned your opinion that the Left are scum-sucking, vile, putrid human debris, this might solidify your thoughts.  Witness in all their glory, how they make fun of Trig Palin, complete with graphics depicting a hip thrusting pole dancer to commemorate his birthday.  Then read the comments.  You'll wonder if, at some point, humans split somewhere along the line and these freaks landed in the missing gene pool.  I personally think there's an entire frontal lobe missing from a great majority of our American population.  It portends a bad future for us.  The Left are for the less fortunate!  Everybody sing!

(I forgot to check the sidebar, so if it's already there, I apologize.)

23 How can he be "very strong" on this issue if he's not even interested enough to read a four sentence digest of the holding of Roe v. Wade.

It looks like he has the understanding of the "right to privacy" that any American whose idea of "privacy" isn't determined by his position on abortion would have—the what-the-4th-Amendment-says understanding. It's only Roe that lenses that "right" through abortion, so if he's not a Roe-focused guy, he wouldn't think it belongs in the discussion.

I don't believe Trump's pro-life, because believing anything Trump says is stupid, but this isn't necessarily a tell. It only means his understanding of the issue isn't legal, in the precedent-says-this sort of way.

Really, "What the fuck does that have to do with this?" is a good instinctive reaction. It's what pro-lifers used to say about Roe before they bowed to precedent and became anti-"right to privacy," instead of anti-abortion.

Creedal!

24 He is the ANTI-CHRIST!

25 But Trump appears to not understand the central argument in the most divisive hot-button issue of the last 30 years.

That's what killed Lynn Swann's attempt at PA governor.  He didn't appear to know that repealing Roe would have brought the issue back to the states.

26 As someone else pointed out yesterday, Trump is a guy who lost money... running a casino.

27
btw, anyone remember back in early '09 how many here at AoS consoled themselves with: "Well, it's okay, because Jimmy Carter gave us Ronald Reagan and that'll happen again, you'll see."

Well, no, it won't. We're gonna get who we're gonna get.

28 Trump can barely run his real estate businesses successfully. And he has a reputation for not honoring contracts he has entered. So I guess he would be eminently qualified to be a politician.

29

This is why I keep pushing candidates with less-big personalities. Yeah, they're not exciting. But I don't want this election to turn on whether the public finds our candidate acceptable. I want our candidate's acceptability to be sort of the default position, not really the central question at all.

I wish I could tattoo this on the sky so that every time someone said "I like Sarah/Trump/Bachmann because THEY FIGHT" I could just gesture towards it by way of explanation.  Any respectable counterargument has to go directly through these two paragraphs and I doubt that any can.

Posted by: Jeff B

 

This makes a great deal of sense, and there is much to commend it. I would note that the status of one's acceptability being a given is not achieved in a vacuum. It is, for most of the front runners, the product of being part of the ruling class that has effectively dodged our problems (everyone regarding debt and SS reform) and those have have made the situation worse (McCain and immigration, Romney and healthcare).

We return once again to how that default position is achieved, and the MFM is an integral part of this.

30 22 O/T

If you ever questioned your opinion that the Left are scum-sucking, vile, putrid human debris, this might solidify your thoughts.  Witness in all their glory, how they make fun of Trig Palin, complete with graphics depicting a hip thrusting pole dancer to commemorate his birthday.  Then read the comments.  You'll wonder if, at some point, humans split somewhere along the line and these freaks landed in the missing gene pool.  I personally think there's an entire frontal lobe missing from a great majority of our American population.  It portends a bad future for us.  The Left are for the less fortunate!  Everybody sing!

(I forgot to check the sidebar, so if it's already there, I apologize.)

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 20, 2011 01:02 PM (usvhr)

I made the dreadful mistake of reading the comments.  I've lost all faith in humanity.  I really, really want to send the link to all the libs I know, just to see them explain-away this crap, or apologize for it.

31

I would vote for Donald Duck before I voted for Donald Trump.

32 It's true in this case; Trump helps Mitt a) stay out of the fray, and b) look presidential.

And Trump helps Newt, too, because compared to Trump, Newt has substance.

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 20, 2011 12:56 PM (uFokq)

It helps all the "serious" candidates, including Pawlenty and Daniels.

Again, Trump is Bad Cop.  If he gets too much of the oxygen, a good candidate can triangulate against him.  On the birther thing, for example, you can use him to say, "Well I think that Obama was born in Hawaii, but his lack of transparency on this is fueling what Trump is doing."

33 My kitteh has never filed for bankruptcy, is conservative on issues (I think), and has nice fur.  I'd vote for her over Trump (and definitely over Barky).

34
Donald Duck is a homosexual.

He's fucking goofy, they say.

35 I read a lot of lines of reasons and rational of why a particular Republican candidate is not the perfect candidate. It boils down to this for me. If Rachel Maddow was running as a Republican against Obama, I would vote for her. That's how bad I think Obama is.

36 Completely O/T.  NY Times has a story on Obama's mother, it leaves out more than it reveals, but some of it is pretty damning, like she was "a hefty woman", AKA FAT.  Guess that's where Barry learned to love big asses.

This also struck me.  Barry wasn't the "poor boy".  Any of you all grow up with FOUR live in servants??  Guess that's why he loves the WH, reminds him of his childhood?  From the NYT:

Like the households of other Indonesians who could afford it, it had a sizable domestic staff. Two female servants shared a bed­room; two men — a cook and a houseboy — slept mostly on the floor of the house or in the garden. The staff freed Ann from domestic obligations to a degree that would have been almost impossible in the United States.

37 If the media is appearing to overlook Trump's faults it is because they WANT him to be the nominee.

They will turn on him in a heartbeat the minute he gets the nomination.

If he doesn't get the nomination they want to keep him pumped-up for a Perot style vote siphoning 3rd party run.

Donald Trump is nothing but another useful idiot for the media and the Democrats (BIRM).

38 The WSJ confirms what's apparent.
Hair apparent.

39
AmishD: heh, it's only a matter of time until the media declares...

Trump is the face of the Republican party!

40 I made the dreadful mistake of reading the comments. I've lost all faith in humanity. I really, really want to send the link to all the libs I know, just to see them explain-away this crap, or apologize for it. It isn't just one little slice of life with libtards, their politics. They really, truly hate people who don't worship their Leviathan god. It's the default state of humanity all too often.

41 In sort of related news.....

Loony Larry O'Donnell over at the Mess that is MesSNBC said that Trump was the biggest embarrassment in the history of NBC.

Goes to show their employees aren't even watching the network that employs them!

42 >>>As someone else pointed out yesterday, Trump is a guy who lost money... running a casino. exactly. businesswise, Trump is big on leverage, using a little money to take a big money position. This stuff only works if there's a huge success. otherwise it's bankruptcy. That may be a defensible business posture in this kind of loosey-goosey bet-with-other-people's-money world, but it is not very reassuring for the overseer of the American economy. My preferred type in a president is a cautious institutional investment type, not a free-wheeling sharp-dealing gambler. And speaking of casinos, if anyone thinks that at some point in Mafia-strong Atlantic City Trump hasn't had a number of shady silent partners or straw-man investors actually represetning hoods, well, I find that to be unlikely, too. As a businessman I'd give him a pass -- don't hate the player, hate the game. But as a President?

43 Hasn't Obama been on "The Celebrity Apprentice" long enough? If Trump is going to dig into Obama, I'm all for his candidacy. Well, until October.

44 Perot begat Clinton.

45 Like the households of other Indonesians who could afford it, it had a sizable domestic staff. Two female servants shared a bed­room; two men — a cook and a houseboy — slept mostly on the floor of the house or in the garden. The staff freed Ann from domestic obligations to a degree that would have been almost impossible in the United States.

Posted by: Kemp at April 20, 2011 01:07 PM (JpFM9)

I had a sister-in-law who lived in Indonesia, hiring full time help is very cheap over there. Makes you wonder who payed for it.

46 They really, truly hate people who don't worship their Leviathan Lilliputian god. Fixed

47 "Trump will get the reputation (if he doesn't have it already) of being a typical New York City sharp-operator/hustler who's willing to say whatever's necessary to con the rubes."

That horse is already out of the barn, mated with the late Mr. Ed, and foaled three or four times.

48 24 He is the ANTI-CHRIST!

No, that is George Soros.

26 As someone else pointed out yesterday, Trump is a guy who lost money... running a casino.
The gov't lost money running a brothel, so gov't is a perfect fit for Trump.

Levity and humor aside, I don't think Trump is serious about a run (wasn't he doing similar "interviews" in 2000?), but God help us if by some cruel whim of fate he does get the Republican nomination. 

/I'd still vote for him in that case, begrudgingly though.  2012 should be ABO - Anybody But Obama.  If Satan Himself ran for the Presidency, I'd at least be inclined to give Hell a favorable reference in all my inane scribblings. 

49

If this were a headline over at HotAir, it would merit a giant honkinÂ’ DUDE.

Maybe with a ?, even.

50

Holy Crap that's a lot of words.

Are ALL of them about Trump?  If so, I'm not gonna read all of that.

 

51 Come on, do you really expect a democrat to start rattling off conservative values? Oh wait.....

52 Rush has had him on at least twice now, and caught heat (via e-mails) from listeners.

Seriously, WTF is Rush thinking?

53 Like the households of other Indonesians who could afford it, it had a sizable domestic staff. Two female servants shared a bed­room; two men — a cook and a houseboy — slept mostly on the floor of the house or in the garden. The staff freed Ann from domestic obligations to a degree that would have been almost impossible in the United States.

I never knew this about Obama and I knew quite a bit. I've always emphasized that he was raised by a bank vice president and sent to private schools.

54 Trump supported the people that the tea party was trying to defeat! Case closed. Are Primary voters really so dense that they don't see that or won't care? If so, then we have no chance turn the nation around anyway.

55
Is there a bigger self-righteous prick than Larry O'Donnell?

Someday that man will be caught with child prOn or with skeletons buried in his backyard because NO person is that self-righteous who isn't guilty as sin.

It's true.

56

He's doing well in the polls because he's attacking Obama, which makes the rest of them look even more milquetoast than they already are. He's also doing well because of the overall weakness of the competition.

Even with those two things, I expect his numbers to drop once serious issues are being discussed.

57

That post is like fucking "War and Peace".

Just give us videos with tits already..

58 Heh.  Rush asked Trump if he'd be willing to move into the White House, and Trump actually paused and said, "Well......I guess I'd have to."

59 Now, if Trump picked Vince Shlomi as his running mate... second look!

60 Dang, I was hoping for a movie review.

61 Time to post this again.

62 Besides, he's a serial bankrupt. Could anyone who's declared bankruptcy 4 times actually win in the middle of a debt crisis?
Yeah, man, that's fucked up.

63 If the media is appearing to overlook Trump's faults it is because they WANT him to be the nominee.

They will turn on him in a heartbeat the minute he gets the nomination.

This.  But it will be the case for anyone they trumpet and start to promote.  Romney is being propped up as well.  The MBM couldn't be any more predictable.  Their intentions are on full display and they will promote the biggest squish or the biggest loser to win the nomination....then tie them to the stake and set the embers afire at their feet once the general starts.

64 57
Is there a bigger self-righteous prick than Larry O'Donnell?

I present:  Crazy Ed Schultz.

65 I'm still skeeved out by that last (?) interview Coulter did with O'Donnell.

They were flirting. Or something. It was downright w-r-o-n-g.

66 It was "the sundaes" to which The Donald referred. Salvation through refrigeration and all that ...

67 Mornin'.

68
okay, here's what's coming next: an investigation into how many of Trump's deals went sour and ended up costing the taxpayers or costing people their jobs.

69

For Trump to survive anything close to a Republican primary, he would need the MSM to vet him in a way that can only be described as Obama -esque.

And that aint gonna happen.

70

That post is like fucking "War and Peace".

Ace, like Tolstoy, is very flexible.

71

/i blame this on the GOProud that invitied him to CPAC.

If he isn't invited, this shit isn't happening.

72 The Donald will be more disappointing than Arnold was.  He isn't serious.  His campaign will amount to as much as Fred Thompson's did.  You want to know what is really funny here, IMHO?  The MSM and Republican Pundit-Royalty pooh-pooh Palin, Breitbart, the ACORN smasher O'Keefe and embrace idiots like Obama, McCain and Trump.

73 Donald Trump is a sign of the coming GOP Apocalypse.  Rove and his Spin-minions are busy trying to kill the guy's candidacy in the cradle. I'll be voting for someone else, but I'm enjoying the ass beating he is giving to Chairman O, and the heart failure he is giving to the party of Rove.

74

Best analysis yet on Trump. I like the guy basically, respect his accomplishments, and I have to admit that his willingness to take on Obama is very, very appealing.

But I agree with the points made in the post, and also think that although he is no doubt a very tough businessman, I suspect he may have a thinner skin than even he thinks. I think he revels in being the "kind of bad guy you love to hate but then you watch his shows and find out a little more about him and you realize there's a lot more to him and he's really not a bad guy..." Kind of the likable curmudgeon thing.

I think he may be like Obama and will get riled when he really gets his feet held to the fire. Also, how tough will he be when he realizes the media and the left really HATE him because of taking conservative positions? Palin, yes, she can hack that. Trump, maybe, I dunno.   

75

Just give us videos with tits already..

Done

NSFW?

76 Trump is so far better than the parade of losers that is the GOP field. Who cares what he thinks of abortion? That wont be the big issue in 2012.

77

Trump is kicking Obama in the ballls everyday, and for good measure he is kicking the liberal media is the nuts as well....that alone makes him better than another other GOP candidate except Palin at this point.

We ALL would take Trump over Obama and you know it.

78 68 I'm still skeeved out by that last (?) interview Coulter did with O'Donnell.

They were flirting. Or something. It was downright w-r-o-n-g.

What the hell is up with her and libtard douchebags?  She dated Bill Maher, for crying out loud.  I'd have had my vagina surgically removed.  {{shudder, gag}}

79 Like the households of other Indonesians who could afford it, it had a sizable domestic staff. Two female servants shared a bed­room; two men — a cook and a houseboy — slept mostly on the floor of the house or in the garden. The staff freed Ann from domestic obligations to a degree that would have been almost impossible in the United States.

I never knew this about Obama and I knew quite a bit. I've always emphasized that he was raised by a bank vice president and sent to private schools.

Posted by: AmishDude

 

Does anyone think it's coincidence that this is coming out now? Almost three years after he was elected President, and over a year before 2012, and the NYT is putting out details of his childhood so that they will be 'old news' long before primary season.

80 As mentioned above, this helps Romney. 

And I have no idea if Romney and Trump have any sort of a relationship, but it almost seems like Trump is doing all this as a favor to Romney.

Romney will come out of this looking presidential, and people will stop asking questions about his flip flops, etc.  Plus - Trump has put the question of legitimacy of Obama's citizenship into the minds of a lot off voters.  Romney doesn't have to dirty his hands with that one.

I know Romney is disliked pretty universally around here.  But, I think we oughtta get used to the idea that Romney may well end up being the guy, and decide who his best running mate would be.  I still think Rubio.

81
heheh, Trump's nomination will drive George Will and Charles Krauthammer right over to Obama's camp.

82 68 I'm still skeeved out by that last (?) interview Coulter did with O'Donnell.

They were flirting. Or something. It was downright w-r-o-n-g.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 20, 2011 01:14 PM (7dkEj)

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

83
then again, so would Gov Barbour

84 Sometimes it really don't take much to go from pro choice to pro life. It happened to me, I never gave a rat's ass about the abortion issue, although I do think its morally wrong to a point.  A freind of mine became a grand mother recently, she has a young daughter who got pregnant by a vile piece of shit human who has cut her, stabbed her, and beat her, has a string of kids from other women, and is 1st class human debris with a  criminal record, and unfortunately probably an illegal.

My attitude was to abort the fucking thing, and kill this motherfuckers chance of spreading his fucking DNA any farther on this plamet. Well it didn't happen, and the baby was born, its a girl. I don't have kids, and babies never excited me at all, but this little girl is absolutely a living doll, just beautiful, always happy with a smile that melts you. I don't look at the abortion issue the same way anymore. I couldn't imagine this little girl not being here. If trump had a moment like that, I would understand his changing his position. I can't say if he had a moment like that or not, but I did, and it changes you forever.

85 Keep up the good work, Ace.

86

Less-big personalities?  Come on Ace.

That mentality got us Bob Dole and the smarmy, mealy mouthed version of John McCain.  We all know that McCain can be a sharp tongued asshole.  Too bad we didn't see any of that during the campaign. 

The presidency is first and foremost an image.  I like that Trump is in there stirring shit up.  Maybe some other viable candidate will grow a pair and take that Hill like a warrior. 

87 Glad to see Trump fever spike early in the game. It'll burn out allright. Were it happening in April 2012, I am afraid we would have Obambwe for the 2nd term.

88 Haley Barbour will never win a presidential election.  His being from the South, with his accent, will make him a laughing stock among the liberal elites.

Trust me on this.  I'm a Southerner.

89 Just listening to last night's "Halftime Report"

Dana Vachon to Imogen Lloyd Webber:

"You discussed 'Brand Britain'. How do bleeding gums, institutionalized pedophilia and intergenerational unemployment play into that?"

Hahahaha.

90 heheh, Trump's nomination will drive George Will and Charles Krauthammer right over to Obama's camp.

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 20, 2011 01:19 PM (uFokq)

I hope there's handicapped parking.

91

I am not worried about the business BK's that Trump has but I am in the same business, it's risky and both Trump and his investors knew it.

Trump had a series of non-recouse loans which means that the creditor can't go after the borrower personally. It also means that Trump didn't think enough of the deals to expose himself personally and the creditors knew that going in. They rolled the dice with eyes wide open on the possibilities of failure.

Not everybody is familiar with this though so it will hurt him with the public who knows (until recently) that if they get a loan on their house they have to pay back the money regardless of how their house performs as an investment.

He has the media in full attack mode now though because he is hurting Obama on the birther issue. Obama is falling like a stone in heavily skewed polls and the media doesn't like it.

Whether you believe Obama was born in Hawaii or on Mars people don't like their president hiding shit from them.

92 wsj reports what is apparent but still is news...cbs refuses to report news....that is apparent....

93

For Trump to survive anything close to a Republican primary, he would need the MSM to vet him in a way that can only be described as Obama -esque.

And that aint gonna happen.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at April 20, 2011 01:15 PM (C2//T)

Don't be so sure about that.  If they know they can dish more dirt on Trump than any of the other potential candidates they will fawn all over him from now until he is nominated.

The day after the convention, however, they will tout every gaffe, broken promise, position reversal, shady business deal/partner, off color comment and parking ticket he has ever had.

If he isn't nominated they will keep stoking his ego so he runs a 3rd party campaign to dilute the anti-O vote.

94

Seriously, WTF is Rush thinking?

Rush hasn't endorsed him, and he was questioning his core beliefs pretty heavily the other day.

I think like all of us, Rush is merely hungry for a candidate, anyone, that will directly call out Jug-Ears for the evil fraud that he is.

95

Great.  Another f-ing Ross Perot.  A damn vote stealer who will do nothing but undermine a real candidate (if we ever find one).  I sure hope this guy drops dead before election season.  We don't need this.  The man's a loon - an attention whore.  He brings nothing real or substantive to the table. 

 

96 Trump was asked about how to tackle the budget and entitlements and Trump went on about "stopping what is going on in the world" LOL He then brought up CHINA and OPEC. This is crackpot stuff. It has nothing to do with reforming entitlements. Yet, GOP primary voters appear to love it. If it is anything more than a passing fad, then our movement is just as much of a joke as the left. I hope it's not.

97

 He's a relentless self-promoter, has a hustler's mentality of saying what is needed to close the sale, and has the overconfidence of a billionaire.

Don't we already have a guy like that as president?

98 Sometimes you need a wrecking ball to get a project moving. I think of "The Donald" as our wrecking ball. As long as he is swinging at the JEF, I'm okay with it. I won't vote for him, but I will applaud his Mothra versus Godzilla hubris comedy. Who do you think has the higher opinion of themselves, sparky or the donald?

99 Trump = Randy Quaid in Independence Day. Let him go on a kamikaze mission to take out the shields so that the real fighter pilots can clean up.

100 I haven't seen this much flip-floppin since...I don't know...Obama?

101 Meh.  We already have a liar used car dealer president, I'd rather not have another.


But I am like you others, you have a birth certificate?, then show it Prez Ohole.

102 I think we need to thank Trump because he is putting Obama in a bad light.

The mouth breathers think Trump is cool ( he's ugly, has money, loves power, loves fame). 

He is everything the Left knows about Obama but refuses to admit to knowing.

of course, I don't think Trump is evil . . .

103

Two years ago I was in Atlantic City.  We walked through the Taj Mahal and while at first glance it was impressive, you began to notice the un-vacuumed carpets, the garish and cheap furnishings, the dust, etc.

This is the Trump card so to speak.  All show - no blow.

104 Candygram!

105 We aren't that complicated and we aren't changing

Sure you are (can)!

You're no longer posting under 'zach what'shisface bobble head' anymore. Change.

106 why is everyone mad about trump?.....he's doing the work your rino's won't do...and i'm not saying trump is a "true conservative" but if you think romney or huckabee or newt will go after obama or even other countries the way trump is....you are kidding yourself................

107 Donald Duck is a homosexual.
He's fucking goofy, they say.
It's a little-known fact that Donald is allowed to go pantsless because duck genitals aren't very prominent.

108 OT

For the morons from the last thread worried about bugs on plants:

Ohh, that reminds me.  Instead of picking them off, buy yourself a bug vacuum (sold at toys r us for kids, but other planes for spiders, etc are stronger). (video)  They work like a charm.

109

Just when you were beginning to believe that you couldnÂ’t possibly get any more bonedÂ…

110 Man, Donald Trump is the best entertainer in politics.  Did anyone catch George Stephanopolous' Sunday interview with Trump?  The only thing missing was Cue Ball joining George in a War Room grilling of Mr. Hair.  What theater!  Steph's eyeballs were just about popping out as he attacked Trump.

The Dems are losing.  They are going down hard.  Narrative #1,302 ain't working, so they'll trot out Narrative #1,303 ...  The peasants are fed up, they've had enough of the sh_t sandwiches and 2012 can't come fast enough.

111
in b4 long duck dong

112 I wish Trump would get his investigators to look into Barry's boy pals.  Specifically, his Pokeestohn buddy, his passport, etc.  And dig into his school records. 

Let's find out if Moochelle is his beard, and prove he's not as brilliant as the MFM made him out to be.

113 I do not understand this "Trump is taking it to Obama" nonsense. Trump howls about CHINA, OPEC, and the birth certificate. When asked about the serious budget issue, he attacked Paul Ryan. On the budget, he attacked Paul Ryan, NOT OBAMA! China is not to blame for our spending. In fact, China is financing it. This is a basic fact. OPEC is not to blame for our nation having NO ENERGY POLICY except shutting down drilling under Obama! He talks loud so people say he is "taking it to Obama?" Are people actually listening to what he says?

114 Single payer, 'Bush lied us into war' contributed to Reid, Weiner, Rangel,wants to wage a trade war with China, I think PT Barnum was too charitable

115 Ugh, more bad Trump news:

AwesomeÂ….Trump Supports Taking Private Property Of Citizens

116

The only reason I like Trump in the mix now is he is shaking things up.  Maybe the other clueless dildoes who are running (I'm not including Bachman) will get a clue that the people want to hear them take on Prez Douchebag head on.  Don't just sit back and play it safe for once.  Go for the jugular.

 

117

^{Posted by: Waterhouse at April 20, 2011 01:21 PM (Q95Dr)}

Vaschon's schtick is hystyerical. 

Having Joyce on opposite him, though, is gold!

118 All Trump seems to know how to do is attack Obama. It's great that he attacks Obama and it shows a problem within the GOP, but it doesn't help solve anything. So I want someone who actually can address the issues facing our country right now, not just someone who can define the problem.

119 We could have our own Bill Clinton. That's why Trump is a viable candidate. Women love a roguish bastard. And great hair. THEY got to have their Bill Clinton. Why can't we have ours? What about having the first Maxim spread featuring a First Lady? That is actually jackable?

120 I was looking for stuff to feed my conspiracy generator on how Trump is a hedge bet for GE in the 2012 election. He has plenty of connection to NBC which of course gives him direct connection to GE also.

Anyways I ran across this at CBSnews.com. Look at his picks in the 2000 race he wanted to help him run the country. Holy fuck what an idiot.

Trump publicly pontificated about luring talk show impresario Oprah Winfrey as his running mate, and if victorious, appointing retired General Colin Powell at the State Department, ex-General Electric CEO Jack Welch as Treasury, Senator John McCain at Defense, and (since disgraced) Congressman Charlie Rangel as Housing Secretary.

121 Randolph Duke - niiiiiiiiiiice.

Where's Mortimer?

122 "Mr. Trump - do you wear boxers or briefs?" "I wear supermodels."

123 why is everyone mad about trump?.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl

 

That's already been answered repeatedly. We need someone who will actually win in 2012 and will be effective. We currently have no reason to believe that he can win in 2012. And we also have no reason to believe that he will be effective.

We have great reason to believe that he is either stupid, transparent, or both. But he is saying stuff that seems to discomfit Obama.

 

We are possibly re-living the Delaware Senate race. Fuck my life.

124

""Vaschon's schtick is hystyerical. 

Having Joyce on opposite him, though, is gold!""

Did you see those 2 together a few weeks ago on redeye? I laughed my ass off with those 2, it was hysterical.

125

Where's Mortimer?

Where's Beeks!?

126
/lightbulb

you know, that's not half bad...

Obama/GE 2012
We tie Obama to GE and center our attack on corporate favoritism and corruption.

127 >>If the media is appearing to overlook Trump's faults it is because they WANT him to be the nominee. Accept the media isn't overlooking Trump's faults, they are starting to hammer the shit out of him. MSNBC is being particularly relentless because he is tearing Barry a new one and they just can't have that. Personally, I think Trump is pretty useful to a point. If he just keeps sending broadsides at Barry I'm cool with that but if he decides to actually get into the race that will suck. He is giving the saner candidates lots of cover and they have no need to hammer Barry when Trump is doing it for them. Something is working because Barry is sinking faster than the dollar.

128

 I can't say if he had a moment like that or not, but I did, and it changes you forever.  posted by Beserker

A young innocent life will do that to you.  I have changed my mind over the years on these issues.  Congratulations to you and your friend for celebrating a new, sweet life.

129 "126 All Trump seems to know how to do is attack Obama. It's great that he attacks Obama and it shows a problem within the GOP, but it doesn't help solve anything. So I want someone who actually can address the issues facing our country right now, not just someone who can define the problem."   You are too linear in your thinking. There can be no solutions until the JEF is removed. Don't believe me, just read JEFs speech regarding deficit reduction. He is the problem. Solve that, and you will solve all other problems. Anything and anyone who whittles away JEF's personnae is a winner in my book.

130 Trump is a salesman. Born born he would be selling used cars right now. He doesn't have a real stance on anything other than buy from me.

131 Trump is for Trump. Though I don't mind him stirring the pot, he just puts more doubt in peoples mind about Obama and the media has to cover it. Make the media look complicit, we all know they are but the more it is shown the better off all other candidates will be at fighting the media back from lies. If other candidates can't surpass his personality so be it. You will win on the totality you bring to the table competition is good. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

132 I would go with Trump if he was honest. If he said: "F-you, I'm bringing a cool billion in cash, Jersey, and I'm going to kick Obamas ads all the way- make me VP. Can I be worse then Biden" When somebody asks about abortion or healthcare- just say we can worry a out that when back at full employment and not staring down 14T in debt.

133 hey ?...

where the hell has stuiec been? I miss that guy.

134 Line up all 1,000 reasons to vote against him and you still can't tell me you'd vote for Obama instead of him, which ought to tell you something.

135 Heh.  Check out the headline on Drudge.  Wonder where that book will be on Amazon?

136 Make that born poor.

137 I'd rather vote for Cal Worthington. Yeah, he's a used car salesman, but at least he has his dog/lion/alligator/kitty Spot. And is far more candid than Trump.

138 OT: Breaking News: Lady Gaga is a jerk...

...who cannot take criticism from Weird Al Yankovic.

The story (new since I posted this in the previous thread). The song.

139

Posted by: Berserker at April 20, 2011 01:32 PM (FMbng)

I think they've done that three times now...it's almost as good as when Dave Brockie shows up as Oderus!

Love seeing him and SE Cupp on the same set...just knowing that the 'Cuttlefish of Cthulu' is that close to SE makes me proud to be an American.

140 Or mebbe Earl Shives, he would paint ANY car for $29.95.....

141 Indeed - Perot 2.0.
He'll lose the nomination, run as an Independent - get 5% of the vote, and Obama wins in 2012.

This will end badly.

142
Weird Al is not a huge star but he's been around for, what, 30 years?

Lady Gag will be a wrinkly old forgotten headcase with the hivs  in thirty years.

143 Line up all 1,000 reasons to vote against him and you still can't tell me you'd vote for Obama instead of him, which ought to tell you something.

Posted by: dfbaskwill

 

Yup. It tells me that the Dear Leader is an idiot. That's it. But you shouldn't be asking just me. You need to ask 51% of the registered voters who will decide to vote on that day. Unless you think that this Hairy Hedonist ® can get that 51%, then he is at best an agent provacateur and at worst a diversion of Perot-like dimensions.

144

I'm convinced Obama's ratings are way down partly because Trump is making America second guess Obama and his ability to lead....or prove he is even an American citizen.

I will forever thank Trump for showing the GOP how to kick ass and destroy the opponent.

145 At least Trump is serious about something. On the other hand, Issa is threatening the ATF with a sternly worded letter.

146 I stay home if Trump is the nominee. We had a republican house/senate/white house and we got bigger government, new agencies, new entitlements, wide open border, no energy policy, increased spending across the damn board. Partial list, and Trump is not even as conservative as Bush and those guys were! Voting R because he is not Obama does not work for me anymore. Yes yes I am purist idiot blah blah. Check out the last budget "deal" and big government republicanism that occurred when we had house, senate, and white house.

147 Hah, that good old Constitutional right to privacy that applies to sex-related matters and absolutely nothing else. To paraphrase Instapunk, if you really want privacy, be sure to file all your financial records in a uterus.

148 Trump has declared bankruptcy three times. He has defaulted on several loans. His suppliers know to get cash upfront from him. When the debt and economy are the biggest issue on most voters' minds, this guy is America's worst nightmare. He's Ron Paul crazy.

149 "Mr. Trump - do you wear boxers or briefs?"

"I wear supermodels."

While googling images of Melania the other day, I discovered she's already 40. What's the expiry date on Pneumatic Eastern European Pleasure Models anyway?

150

Wait a minute.  Trump is doing exactly what Mitt did in 2008  and  lines up on all the issues just like Mitt and  for some reason the gop establishment is attacking him.   amazing. 

 

 

151 In all seriousness, we need an Alan West type. We are so boned we need somebody who is just short of superhero.

152 Think of Trump as the MSM covering Bush from 2003 through 2008 and enjoy. He is doing to Sparky what the media party did to Bush. Now all we need is a really retarded bitch to be speaker of the house.

153

I'm convinced Obama's ratings are way down partly because Trump is making America second guess Obama and his ability to lead....or prove he is even an American citizen.

I will forever thank Trump for showing the GOP how to kick ass and destroy the opponent.

Posted by: lead vocals

 

Assertions like this drive me insane(er). Can you prove correlation? Or is this an informed supposition? Or is this a wild ass guess? Wishful thinking? Betting the farm on this guy should be based upon something more.

 

Please bear in mind the Rasmussen poll from last week.

154 This certainly can't help Teh Won:

UPI: 
Gas Prices Reach Five Dollars a Gallon in the Nation's Capital Gas prices reach five dollars per gallon at a gas station in Washington, DC on April 19, 2011. Unrest in the Middle East and price speculation have steadily led to higher oil prices and consequently higher gas prices throughout the year so far.

155 "We all know that McCain can be a sharp tongued asshole.  Too bad we didn't see any of that during the campaign."

We did see it during the campaign!  That was the McCain who chastised conservatives for fearing an Obama victory.

156

I would like to see Rick Perry jump into the race.  He has the usual amount of bullshit that I don't like but over all I think he would be pretty good.

Thoughts on Perry?  

 

157 I'm convinced Obama's ratings are way down partly because Trump is making America second guess Obama and his ability to lead....or prove he is even an American citizen. Agreed... Trump raising the birther issue is a gift, but The Donald giveth, and The Donald taketh away. I've not heard that he takes this issue more seriously than others like Libya's oil and China's tariffs.

158 Maybe Zero's numbers are down because HE SUCKS THE TAPROOT OF HELL....just a thought.

159 Voting R because he is not Obama does not work for me anymore. Yes yes I am purist a libtard Democrat idiot blah blah.

FIFY, sugar.  Now come over here and help me with these people hiding under my porch.

160

I'm convinced Obama's ratings are way down partly because Trump is making America second guess Obama and his ability to lead....or prove he is even an American citizen.

Of course, can't blame me!

Posted by: Mismanaged Military Whatever in Libya

 

Well don't look at me.

161

Anyone that would stay home and let Obama get a second term deserves to be mocked forever.  I hate Ron Paul...but even that kook is better than Obama...

Trump is a capitalist....Obama a socialist....wow..really tough choice.  And the last time I checked Trump isn't banktrupt today, is he?

162 Hi, Dan. Did you have to take one hand off Mitt's dick to type that, spamboy?

163

I'm convinced Obama's ratings are way down partly because Trump is making America second guess Obama and his ability to lead....or prove he is even an American citizen.

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: National Debt

 

In part, yes.

164 I think I said Obama's polling numbers are down  PARTLY because of Trumps attacks on Obama...please, feel free to learn how to read.

165 180, what is with you? I am a die hard Palin supporter and most everyone knows it.

166 Hi, Dan. Did you have to take one hand off Mitt's dick to type that, spamboy?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

 

You do NOT want to see the webcam shots of that.

167 Trump is a crony-capitalist....Obama a socialist....wow..really tough choice.  And the last time I checked Trump isn't banktrupt today, is he?

FIFY

168 I will forever thank Trump for showing the GOP how to kick ass and destroy the opponent. The GOP itself cannot afford to launch personal attacks against the President. Historically, the same thing happened when Chester Arthur was rumored to be Canadian, but the country rallied behind him after James Garfield was assassinated.

169 I don't think it helps Barry that we get a peek at his temper occasionally.  Remember, the media called him No Drama Obama.  Fuckers.

170 The media likes to call Sarah Palin a "bomb thrower". I wonder what they thought when Trump nuked their nuts into orbit.

171 Sorry, Romney laying people off to enrich himself and his private equity friends while changing his positions to fit whatever group he is going after, and mandating that I buy a product I do not want, is not the kind of President I want.

172 And just how would your opinion of Trump change if he does indeed pull off the biggest expose of the country's history: the illegal alien president?

173
/IDEA!

We fill a swimming pool up with tomato paste and dunk an Oldsmobile in it and then parade a herd of donkeys past the whole she-bang.

The Democrat link to the late extremist senator Edward Kennedy is made and we then make our attack against Obama from the center.

Result:  Obama loses 16 precincts in the Detroit suburbs by .034%.

174 THEY got to have their Bill Clinton. Why can't we have ours? What about having the first Maxim spread featuring a First Lady? That is actually jackable?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 01:30 PM (OW0nw)

First, the day they can successfully compare a Republican prez to the lying, muslim loving, chubby-chasing Bill Clinton is the day I throw in the towel for good.  It's hard enough as it is to hold my nose and vote for those limp-wristed Republican pukes.  Second, I like to see first ladies who are sexless and frumpy - that way you know the prez is paying attention to work and not wasting time in the bedroom.  I want a prez who is full of vengeful energy - frustrated and angry. "Nixonian" if you will. 

 

 

175 Trump/O'Donnell!!!!

176 Trump being in will end up helping Palin in the primary I bet, and I support her so that is fine. But, I have this crazy idea that I want my President to be honest, or as honest as a politician can be. Serial liars will not get my vote. Trump is one of them. I would prefer as few liars in the primary as possible, but its not like I can stop him or anyone else from running. I am confident in my candidate regardless of the field.

177

In all seriousness, we need an Alan West type. We are so boned we need somebody who is just short of superhero.

Alan West....my dream candidate.  He had me completely when he was asked during the article 32 hearing for his conduct in Iraq....

 Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can.

That's a man and a patriot.  Trump is a Circus ring-leader.

 

178 ""Anyone that would stay home and let Obama get a second term deserves to be mocked forever.  I hate Ron Paul...but even that kook is better than Obama...""

Well I said last week I would act out khan's last little speech in star trek II when it came time to vote. I don"t care WHO ends up running as the R. For hate's sake I will spit my last breath at that marxist scumbag and drag my dying body to the the voting booth and pull the lever to send that kenyan cocksucker straight to hell.

179

Funny that we have been screaming for someone to take it to Obama ever since McLame refused to even say Obama's name.....now we have the most famous capitalist in the world flaming Obama and our team rips into Trump because he is not Reagan.

Unreal.....how are those Romney, Pawlenty and Huckster attacks on Obama going?  Oh...what attacks? 

Folks, this is why we lose and the communist Democrats win....we have no idea how to get into the trenches and destroy our opponent so that opponent has zero chance of ever winning anything more than the local dog catcher position.

Trump knows how to win and has already shifted the playing field so the GOP now understands that attacking Obama is OK.

 

180 Rezko is smack dab in the middle of both, with the Indonesian, and no one but Trump thinks it's worth a mention. Nobody connected with Rezko is gonna talk. But I'm glad Trump is bringing it up. You think about it, we''re supposed to take Obama's citizenship for granted, but Obama has been surrounded by grifters from the womb. Frank Marshall Davis was likely his real father, and he wrote him a letter of introduction to the mob. Obama has known Ayers and Jarrett his whole life, and they made sure he knew Rezko and Wright. Unbelievable, he's POTUS.

181 The GOP itself cannot afford to launch personal attacks against the President.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 20, 2011 01:47 PM (mHQ7T)

I disagree.  Campaigns go negative for a reason - it works.  No politician can hope to make himself loved, unless he's Reaganesque (few are).  However, you can make your enemy hated.  We'll never win over the Libtards, but turning the leaners to our side will work best if we show them all what a worthless PoS Obastard is.  Basically we need to make sure they know which candidate is the lesser evil.  That's all any of us ever get to vote for.

182 103 Trump was asked about how to tackle the budget and entitlements and Trump went on about "stopping what is going on in the world" LOL

He then brought up CHINA and OPEC.

Trump might get some play with politically-confused people like my Father. Being a retired UAW worker, my father loves Obama and loathes all Republicans. However, he HATES China and Illegal immigration with a red-hot passion; believing them to be Republican-caused problems. He's also very religious, so if Trump claims to be pro-life...bonus!

183 ...now we have the most famous capitalist in the world flaming Obama and our team rips into Trump because he is not Reagan. Trump can flame away, but he's not getting the nom.

184

""Alan West....my dream candidate.  He had me completely when he was asked during the article 32 hearing for his conduct in Iraq....

 Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can.""

When that incident first happened there was an email set up to send messages of support to his wife and family. I sent an email of support and used the above quote. I told the family that men like him are never alone, and he would have a line of men fighting over who would carry that can of gas for him.

185

Congress Ethics Mess: WhatÂ’s the Hold Up on the Maxine Waters Investigation?

Good question.

186 However, he HATES China and Illegal immigration with a red-hot passion; believing them to be Republican-caused problems. Democrats believe Republicans caused everything they hate, whether it's true or not. The best thing about Trump's joke candidacy is it demoralizes Dems.

187 I want the election to turn entirely on Obama. We win that contest 9 out of 10 times.

I wouldn't bet on it.  He and his cohorts are systematically taking this country apart brick by brick and he is still polling in the 40s.  

188 Trump/O'Donnell!!!!

Posted by: blaster

 

Oh Heavens to betsy, not again.

189 Unreal.....how are those Romney, Pawlenty and Huckster attacks on Obama going? Oh...what attacks? Nobody's formally announced yet. This is silly season.

190 Hah!  Rush is playing that video from 2009 that I posted yesterday.  It was video of a townhall in which some freak McDonalds worker asked him a question.


Hello big guys at blog.  Think this deserves a sidebar post?

Flashback: Obama tells weirdo that he should be proud to work at a job that doesn't pay well.  Plus, Obama's tax 'breaks' will help him, plus he says ObamaCare will give this McDonald's worker healthcare.  Also says he wants to give him a refundable tax credit for his college tuition.

Obama Town Hall Julio's McDonalds Question from 2009

191 Beserker @ 206

When that incident first happened there was an email set up to send messages of support to his wife and family. I sent an email of support and used the above quote. I told the family that men like him are never alone, and he would have a line of men fighting over who would carry that can of gas for him.

Awesome....thank you for doing that ~

192 This is why I keep pushing candidates with less-big personalities. Yeah, they're not exciting.

Yeah, they're not winners.

T-PAW 2012! He'll do what not even Mondale could do!

193 Trump will get called on the bankruptcy issue. His response? Yes. Four times. You know what? I've ventured and lost. I've gone from nothing to a billionaire five times. How many times has the president run a business? How many times has he come back from the brink? Our country is at the brink and we have a leader who has no clue how to fix it. Trump is a success. On the abortion issue. He's changed his stance over the last 12 years. Interestingly, so have many people on many issues... From supporting war in Iraq and Afghanistan to global warmening. Part of growing, I suppose, is to examine your beliefs and if they don't measure up to new information, change them. On the birther issue: hammer it. Just keep asking "why not release it and shut me up?" I'm no trump-et. But I also don't see a single candidate as media savvy or with the war chest to compete, and I welcome any candidate who can give momjeans a run for his money. We're devolving to an idiocracy anyway, may as well make some popcorn and enjoy watching "ow! My balls!"

194 People need to describe the Indonesian Imbecile exactly as he is. There's nothing "personal" about the truth. Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 20, 2011 01:54 PM (G/MYk) Agreed, but we can't call him "un-American" but say rather "his policies are dangerous for America." Even though the former is true, the MFM carries his water.

195 Since Trump is destroying  Mitt in the polls (cnn had Mitt in single digits this month  all due to Trump)  I'm ok with him being in the race.  Anything that hurts the RINOs  and the gop establishment is good.  The fact he is also  hurting Obama is  even better. 

196 Posted by: Chuck Z, dissatisfied customer at April 20, 2011 02:03 PM (qXWUM) I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, A poet, a pawn and a king. I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing: Each time I find myself, flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race.

197 Since Trump is destroying Mitt in the polls (cnn had Mitt in single digits this month all due to Trump) I'm ok with him being in the race. Ditto. I'd be ok with Trump before any of the 2008 retreads (that includes Polenta and Palin.) That's how most people being polled now feel.

198

"I wouldn't bet on it.  He and his cohorts are systematically taking this country apart brick by brick and he is still polling in the 40s."

 

Polling in the 40s mean 50+% ain't buying. BTW these polls are taken in non-election year. Wait till next year with $5/gallon gas, unemployment officially at 10% , the dollar in free fall and inflation cutting the groceries in half. How do you think those independents will vote? "Are you better off now than you were four years ago" ring any bells? Do it with a smile and you will have them eating out of your hands.

199 trump wont run. not buying it.

200 Let the MFM point out all of his "American" qualities - he has NONE. They'll just have the wookie on The View saying how she wants to embrace this country she loves so much, and he'll be on late night shows and magazine covers. The media is corporate. Their whole livelihood is at stake covering for this traitorous POS. Everything that indicated he was bad news was known before 2008, but 52% voted for him, anyway. He has been steadily buying support with our tax dollars that he can't get with press this time around.

201 Running would be too much work for the guy. He is just trying to sensationalize himself. After the trump talk ends, he will go away.

202 Attacking him personally, on the record from people holding office, allows him to play the race card. Even if we're all sick of it, the media needs a headline.

203

Someone -- I believe it was Krauthammer -- called him a carnival barker.  That's pretty close.

 

204 Ditto. I'd be ok with Trump before any of the 2008 retreads (that includes Polenta and Palin.) That's how most people being polled now feel.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 20, 2011 02:08 PM (mHQ7T)

 

sorry that same poll showed that Trump has taken no support from Palin's base.   Trump is a total  different tpye of candidate than Palin supporters would ever support.  Trump is the RINO's core voters dream candidate and they are flocking to him in record numbers.    

 

 

205

My worry is that Trump is such an arrogant bastard that if he doesn't get the GOP nod (And I doubt he will) he will pull a Perot and fuck us for another 4 years. Giving us Barry V 2.0

206

If you wanted to destroy Republican chances in 2012 I can't think of a better way than to keep hammering Birtherism.  It's like 9/11 'Truth'er but the other side.

Trump's novelty wore off a lot quicker than I thought it would.   

 

207 Posted by: unseen at April 20, 2011 02:17 PM (aVGmX) I'm getting the sense he is popular among former Hillary, since their campaign speeches sound familiar.

208 It's like 9/11 'Truth'er but the other side. My best friend is a very intelligent person who took up trutherism the other day with me and shocked me to no end. She asked what Trump was on about; I told her he wants to see the birth certificate. She laughed. I said the same thing as you, that Democrats hated W so much they accused him of 911. She said, "Well... " Now here we are with Obama.

209 If he promises the country free all-night buffets, he'll be in like flint.

210

Trump/Huntsman 2012!

Smell the exultation...

211

Given the stakes, Conservative need a broader strategy than live or die with the presidential race. We have got to hedge out bets. Plus the left wants us to be emotionally devastated if we can't win the presidential race.

The goal should be to retain and increase seats in the House, take the Senate and oust Obama with whoever we can. But that is a tall order, e.g., Nev, Del.

If ousting Obama is in doubt [probably always is given fraud], we have to retain the House and take the Senate [with Rand Paul sorts] to at least hold Obama at bay, a complicated task given his penchant for extra-constitutional activity and GOP passivity in challenging czars and the like and aided by MFM duplicity.

State governments are our final lifeboat, ill-maintained and creaky and unreliable. Assuming we can't win the Senate and can't beat Obama, we need to have strong state legislatures and governors. That will be the final institutional/structural stand before, well, you know. . .  

Having Trump in the race as an independent, while potentially devastating to the task of removing Obama, could have a benefit: increased turn-out which the GOP appears to suck at.

The question is how those voters would break on US Rep and US Sen and state offices because Trumpers won't be fielding a significant number of persons for those offices. Based on what we know today, I'd think Trump brings out more conservative voters. I can't remember how that worked with Perot. So a Trump independent run could aid in keeping the House, in making progress in the Senate and in securing enough States to take a stand.

212 Posted by: Rev. Joseph Lowery, Inauguration Benediction Specialist at April 20, 2011 02:16 PM (G/MYk) McShame got Palin to do his dirty work. She knew what she signed on for, because she's ambitious. But the Dems had their October strategy with TARP. It was McCain's undoing. A weak candidate already, he played good cop bad cop with Palin then pissed his pants when Lehman went tits up. Dems counted on it, or rather OPEC did. Dems just do what they're told. They're dumb and obedient.

213

And now we go live to Trump Huntsman in the eye of the storm...   

214

Trump is like 65 and it's not credible that he has too many friends of any sort of age where they might be considering abortion.

Trump and his friends might be 65, but I guarantee you, most of them (including Trump himself) have wives of just such a young age.

Just sayin'.

215 Has the opening salvo of the purity wars been fired yet?

In any case, what do Krauthammer and Rove have to say?

216 I'm getting the sense he is popular among former Hillary, since their campaign speeches sound familiar.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 20, 2011 02:20 PM (mHQ7T)

 

Yes I see that too  but then most of the hillary voters would  also vote for Mitt.   I see Trump as the John anderson of 1980  not the Perot of 1992

217 Trump/Huntsman 2012! You laugh now, but Huntsman is more immune to the race card than even Herman Cain. He has what Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan had going for them - good looks, solid records as governors and bipartisanship. Jon Huntsman was John McCain's campaign co-chair. He was reelected as Governor of UT with a 70% approval rating. When Obama appointed him as ambassador to China, he was largely congratulated for taking out a formidable political rival. You have a fiscally conservative, socially moderate presidential candidate who is telegenic and educated at a top tier school with executive, private sector and foreign policy experience. His campaign in NH will be headed by a key Romney supporter he picked off, Wally Stickney in Salem. John Courson, who has correctly picked the winner of the SC Republican primary in every contest since he supported Ronald Reagan in 1980, has endorsed Huntsman. There is a strong likelihood that Huntsman will win NH and SC then get an endorsement from Marco Rubio in FL, who will be introduced as his VP at the FL convention.

218

Has the opening salvo of the purity wars been fired yet?

In any case, what do Krauthammer and Rove have to say?
Posted by: Fritz Gibson at April 20, 2011 02:31 PM (AN8d5)

Saw Krauthammer on O'Reilly and Rove on Greta.  Both think the Birther thing benifits Obama and hurts the party.  Krauthammer considers Trump "not serious" and made fun of his answer saying he is richer than Romney.  Rove less negative, but not much.

It's not purity when there is a real problem with glib and shallow answers to policy questions.  Especially in 2012 where I think a just-the-facts candidate will have the best chance against Obama's platitudes and sweet-sounding personal stabs. 

219 243 I respectfully disagree.  What we need is a good old fashioned Atlantic City street fight with boots and teeth flying.  This campaign against a worthless incumbent needs to be bloody, brutal, and entertaining.

Polite, sincere, and gentlemanly ain't gonna get it done.

Time to stock up on popcorn.

220 Never trust a man that doesn't drink.

Trump, doesn't.  End of story.

221

I think most of the comments about Trump have already been said.  I can only add that I believe he's a RINO but is trying to change his appearance so he can either feed his horrendus ego or he's trying to screw up the GOP's run at 2012.

He's already said that if he doesn't win the GOP nomination that he will run as an independent.  Unfortunatly that could be just enough to "Perot" the GOP candidate and hand the WhiteHouse to Obama for another 4 years (and who knows what effect it would have on the sentate and house races if Trump encourages other independents to run).

This guy keeps trying to bill himself as this omniscient business man in spite of all the bankrupcies he's had, the partners and friends that have lost huge amounts of money with him (people soon learned that you don't depend on a handshake with "The Donald" on a deal, you get a real contract and you still line the lawyers up just to be ready) and the self serving running at the mouth that he constantley does.  This is a guy that called Obama the worst President in history, wait now, didn't he call Bush the worst (and evil as well) and then added in Carter as the second worst.  But only now is he having his "come to Jesus" moment?

On top of all that, his TV success protects him from real questioning of his abilities and motives or maybe it's just the left that realizes that this loud mouthed, self-promoting, ego-maniacal, lying failure of a business man is the best chance to keep Obama in office. 

 

222 "When you flip-flop on an important gut/values question like that, you're supposed to have a story to explain your conversion..."

Yeah. I so hate to see Trump pull a Romney on the abortion issue. But wait a minute... didn't Romney go the other way and say to hell with them babies??? What was Romney's story for his flip-flop again?

Oh, and all Hillary voters would NOT go for Romney. Believe me, I was one of them.

223 It's been said here already but bears repeating - the MBM is wearing kid gloves with Trump because they see him as a potential spoiler - they can use him to throw the election to the Democrats.

That's all they care about, and I'm shocked that anyone is "wondering" about their motivation, it's not like their motives have changed in the last 30 years.

224 which ought to tell you something.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 20, 2011 01:35 PM (71LDo)

Yea, that we need someone else.

225

Fritz,

Who knows?  SOOOoooooo much crap is going to happen between now and election day.  Trump is not the guy. 

226

While I would vote for The Donald over Barky (I would vote for a one-celled-mutant-pondscum-protozoa named Polly over Barky), I do hope he is not in the primary and/or takes votes from the GOP.

That said, I am loving every second he torpedoes The Won, and forces discussion on politically correct issues. Race card be damned. Full speed ahead.

227

He sounds almost like a   -  Democrat!

228 The Donald brings the "gun to the knife fight" to even the fight.  Remember, he already won against the female, lesbian, liberal moon bat Rosie O'Donnel.  He is all about PR and spin, something I feel that a traditional GOP candidate cannot combat against Obama for the only reason that, most voters don't have the patience or time to read into the rationale.  He might not be great on substance or core to the party, but he's rich and looks out for himself.  I believe what's good for the rich is good for the country.  So if he would do nothing socially and everything economically for the next term, I think this country would be miles ahead from where we have found ourselves.

229  So Michelle Bachmann today says she does not question Soebarkah's eligibility- that his words is good enough for her.

If BachmannÂ’s stupid enough to take Obama at his word than she has no business serving in higher office. She just lost my support should she run for the presidency. The public stance regarding the Birther issue for any Republican politician is so simple to state and defend that itÂ’s now become my new litmus test- if a GOP pol canÂ’t manage to take the correct line on this then they wonÂ’t get my support.

Obama has not yet established his eligibility for the Presidency. If it turns out he is not eligible then a massive fraud has been perpetrated for which the GOP is complicit and they should die as a part.

I donated and bugged friends and family to get to the polls and vote the correct way in 2011, but if the GOP does not get right on the eligibility issue then they will not get my vote in 2012.

Threat? FACT!

230   I think a just-the-facts candidate will have the best chance against Obama's platitudes and sweet-sounding personal stabs. - Beagle

Absolutely false. It's folly to think Soetoro will be brought down by facts. For the GOP to think they can dislodge him by running a traditional campaign shows that as a party they have learned nothing. Obama's election to the Presidency was an act of supreme irrationality on the part of the American electorate and anyone hoping to unseat him must take that into account. You cannot use reason on a person who is not in his right mind. A spell has been cast on the American people and that spell will need to be broken.  I believe the correct military term would be "assymetrical warfare". The kind of campaign Trump has been running- that's why we love him.

The GOP, instead of soiling their pants at the thought of The Donald, should follow his lead.

231

Jon Huntsman was John McCain's campaign co-chair.

 

RINO alert.  Kind of a junior maverick, huh?  No thanks.

232

I'll take Donald Trump for the GOP over what we've been offered so far.  I DO NOT want the same old shitty choices we had last time. 

I know Trump's trying to say what he thinks will win the republican vote and I know he's an asshole.  But we need someone who will stand up to and play chicken successfully with the arab assholes.

And I think Trump gets the whole capitalism is a win/win situation deal.

I'll take Trump over McCain.  McCain, the old lost in space guy who needs to retire YESTERDAY! but keeps going and going, just like Biden, seemingly stuck in a neck and neck contest to see who can fuck everything up faster.

233 I'll take Trump over McCain.

Yes, exactly. Who is anyone in the GOP to attack Trump or any of his supporters when John McCain was the last nominee? But then again, who am I to talk- I voted for the backstabbing fuck. I'll never live that down.

234 The scary part of all this is that Obama was actually able to con the supposedly educated portion of our society.  In spades.

Can Trump be worse than Obama?

How?

Unlike Obama, Trump really has made deals.  Not scummy, union goon, race card deals - but real deals.

Do we want Trump negotiating trade deals?  Or an inner city race hustler who hasn't a clue?

Come on folks - we are fucked now.  What can go wrong?

235 RINO alert. Kind of a junior maverick, huh? No thanks. Explain how Obama is defeated with only rock-ribbed conservatives on board. You couldn't even win the Senate in a wave year. My point was, Huntsman is a fresh face who knows how to win a national primary.

236

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP????

You heard it here first:  HE IS NOT GOING TO RUN!!!!

Trump is in the middle of contract renegotiations for the Apprentice to be extended.

Add the fact that he's announcing his run on the show's finale... and what do you got?   ... A great marketeer.  But not a GOP (or whatever party) candidate!

 

237 #260:  Huntsman?  Are you serious?   The guy is closer to being a socialist than FORMER senator Bennett.   Bennett's reelection didnt go so well, did it.  In fact, didnt even get past the primary. OUCH.

238 You think I'm making waves with the Birther thing? Just wait 'till I get started on the Dicksucker thing.

239

Explain how Obama is defeated with only rock-ribbed conservatives on board. You couldn't even win the Senate in a wave year. My point was, Huntsman is a fresh face who knows how to win a national primary.

 

Step 1 is you nominate a rock-ribbed conservative.  Maverick McCain's campaign chairman need not apply.  I think he would be wise to lose that page of his resume.

Plus, for me, Huntsman's Mormonism is a deal-breaker.  Call me a bigot if you like.

240

Extortion.

That's Trump's game here.  He makes some heat on Obama, peripheral heat but still noisy and catchy - just to show that he can.  Then he waits for the agent from Obama who offers him a deal to back out.

241 "Now, Roe v. Wade rests almost entirely on this suggestion of a "right to privacy" that extends to contraceptive choices and, by the next step in the reasoning daisy-chain, to abortion. This is all very basic. You don't have to accept this reasoning in order to know it, of course. Most pro-lifers are fully fluent with this line of argument -- they know the argument; they just reject it." I'm really frigging late to this thread. My son got bit by a venomous spider and I ended up with him at the urgent care clinic because his doctor closes up shop on Wednesdays. Anywhooo, I just wanted to correct this a bit. I am as pro-life as it gets. I don't dismiss a Constitutional right to privacy. In fact, I think your right to privacy is implicit in the document as well as the writings of the founders in general. However, what I do object to is the idea that your right to privacy trumps someone else's right to live. I realize that requires acknowledging that an unborn baby is an alive human being and that a lot of leftards aren't going to do that. But that is how I see it and it's how everyone I know who is pro life sees it also.

242

#85

Trump is clearly worried about America.  That is what he is running on and he is serious and honest about that.  I am in agreement with most everything he's said on that account (not everything, but most).  Trump is not a conservative, though.  He has probably no concept of what the Constitution states and no idea of federalism, but that is why it should be easy for any Republican with to cathc up to Trump on that issue and pass him on the rest of conservativism.

All the speculation about Trump's motives ignores the most obvious one right there.  He certainly likes his life, being rich and keeping his money.  He looked around and suddenly noticed that the present occupant of the White House is in the process of endangering everything that makes his life rich and comfortable.  So he decides he must do something about it.  And where do you think he can go?  Certainly not to Democrats who are all in the process of following the leader over the cliff therefore he is left with conservatives. 

Trump has a lot of momentum at present and GOP should make use of it instead of abusing him even if at the end of the day you have to offer him the VP option which he may decline having proven his point.  The other good thing about his run is that it may wake up other 'madmen with money' and peel them away from Democrats.

243

However, what I do object to is the idea that your right to privacy trumps someone else's right to live. I realize that requires acknowledging that an unborn baby is an alive human being and that a lot of leftards aren't going to do that. But that is how I see it and it's how everyone I know who is pro life sees it also.

Posted by: Mandy P. at April 20, 2011 06:13 PM (vGmv/)

I'm liking that new bumpersticker:

If it's not a baby you aren't pregnant.

 

244 Plus, for me, Huntsman's Mormonism is a deal-breaker. Call me a bigot if you like. Makes no difference to me, but good luck with Step 1.

245 The guy is closer to being a socialist than FORMER senator Bennett. Everyone's a socialist with the purity brigade. After all, only a socialist would propose eliminating the corporate franchise tax, or would push through a plan allowing individuals to choose between the regular income taxwith a top rate of 7 percent, and an alternative flat tax with a lower rate. He was a socialist when he and the legislature agreed to a sales tax cut and a unified income tax system with a single rate of 5 percent. Cutting the sales tax on food to save consumers $70 million annually? Socialist.

246 "I want the election to turn entirely on Obama. We win that contest 9 out of 10 times."

Ace, I'm coming to the same point, too.  Lately I've been warming to Pawlenty & Daniels, because if for nothing else, the guys have extensive executive records as governors (good records at that), and I think competence is all that we need in contrast with The Won™.  At heart, I'd prefer a proverbial bomb-thrower like Palin (but not Trump), but rationally, I think Pawlenty, Daniels, or maybe Haley Barbour are the best options.  Goodbye Romney & Fuckabee, and give Newt a job in the cabinet, nothing more.  That said, I think even Palin could win, if she's gotten herself ready enough for the onslaught.

That is, unless we can get Fred Thompson to run for real this time...