Drew, I suspect you aren't a Pawlenty fan, and this is why you are bagging on this ad.

Is it dramatic?  Yes.  If it was in the service of your chosen candidate, I suspect your support and praise would be more effusive.

Al Gore came with a couple of thousand votes ...

John Kerry won the nomination ...

charisma seems nice to match Obama's charisma ...  but should we really be looking for an empty suit who lies thru his teeth ?

you don't fight smoke and mirrors with smoke and mirrors ...

hard boiled facts and proven leadership ... 

the primaries will bring out the winner ...

Puuuuulease People!

Those of you out there that are pushing for this man to be President....Please Stop!

I don't think it's bad.   There are different ways to take on Obama.  He's not going to go gloom and doom- elect me or we're all going to hell.  He's showing he would take on Obama's policy wreck with optimism and a healthy dose of American exceptionalism. 

Posted by: NC Ref at January 24, 2011 05:40 PM (/izg2)

I think you're talking about a Milwaukee council woman talking about Arizona. 

http://tinyurl.com/395b8zm

Posted by: willow at January 24, 2011 05:43 PM (h+qn

He's got the economic chops, haven't seen much out of him on other areas. I'd be real impressed if after the SOTUS tomorrow night all he said was, Mr. President, you're full of crap, then said good night and God Bless America.

Is Pawlenty going to save the world, or something?   He's going to have to do a lot better than that if he wants to convince me.   That won't get him close.

Posted by: archie bunker at January 24, 2011 05:37 PM (0YS61)

Hey it's the one post and leave libtard coward!

Paul Ryan would be great, but he won't run.  He's already on the record multiple times saying that he won't do it now since he has young kids. 

Mitch Daniels is clearly the smartest guy running - and it's not even close.  He also has - far and away - the most conservative record of governance.

Unfortunately, his "truce on social issues" comments will probably be enough to convince the average voter that he's some kind of McCainish moderate.

Posted by: Unclefacts

Well I would think economy would be the target. , heck, who vp?

sowell/ treasury

bolton/sos

palin/ speaker of da house (heh)

In 2012  Romney will be the nominee and  it will not matter wheter you vote for him or not, it will not win

As much as the troll is loathesome (and haven't we schooled you about picking an alias that reveals your contempt for the working class, troll?) he may be right, but I doubt it. Troll assumes 1996 all over again. But unlike Bill Clinton, the Obamunist is too ideological to triangulate. Clinton wasn't all about the Leftism. Clinton was all about -- Clinton. 

Why troll may be right:

--the primary process has NOT changed. Front loaded, winner take all. Mitt gets a plurality and takes it.

--the Huckster siphons off Tea Party votes. Tea party votes are not all about the finances, people, like it or not.

Why troll may be wrong:

--The Tea Party's new involvement means *they*, not the Establishment, get the plurality, if they can unite behind one candidate and not the Huckster.

--Mormonism is still seen as too funny

Pawlenty's problem isn't lack of excitement or charisma. 

It's that he's just a time-serving squish of a Governor who is flattered that some of his backers tell him he could be Prez.

If we're going to settle for that, let's at least get Romney, who also has business experience and can self-fund a big campaign against Toonces.

We can do better, people...lots better (John Bolton, Mike Pence, Bobby Jindal, others...)

"I laughed, I cried but mostly I cried" raves the NY Times.

"You Betcha!" raves Sarh Palin

"I threw up a little in my mouth and it ran down what used to be my chin" tweets Roger Ebert

stickety said:

Paul Ryan would be great, but he won't run.  He's already on the record multiple times saying that he won't do it now since he has young kids.ouch

yes i'd forgotten what the media would do to them.

Mitch Daniels? hmm. can He harden up and wink and stuff on social issues?

T-Paw is McCain Part Deux. He can get the moderate Democrat vote, and the RINO vote, but the base is going to reject him just like McCain...He can't Win.....and if everybody knows what good for them....they should rule out T-Paw right off the bat...so that the race can be more competitive....instead of people like T-Paw chewing up all the air time.

Your already stareting to see the media pick him for us....that's means if they have to go Republican...that's who they want...So that should be signaling to everybody exactly what he is......IYKWIMAITYD!

Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2011 05:43 PM (VuLos)

Tami, you are teh awesome!  Thank you!  Now I will forward this link to my brother to prove that his uncle is stupid for calling Jan Brewer stupid for saying this.

As a bit of a Pawlenty fan, I guess I'll say with a smile on my face, "Go fuck yourself."

:-)

o heck Miss80's it matched my mood lately.

just call me cheesy and grim.

but right He's not a strong enough leader.

"Better than 'Cats'"    -- Playbill

The oddest thing in that video was the repeated references to "Former Governor of Minnesota", like that was equivalent to an Oscar or something.

Signs point to him not running, especially if the cuda is in it.

Do signs point to her running? And can she overcome her negatives? (Yes, they are there, however unfairly). Honestly, I think Sarah missed a golden opportunity to replace the inept Michael Steele as GOP chair. A job tailor made for her.

just call me cheesy and grim...

Well, the substance was great; it just made me feel like I was about to see another movie where the coach has to rally a weakened and/or demoralized team. Though that actually would be an appropriate image here, if you think about it. But what about him? Does he have what it takes?

Posted by: the speech Tim Pawlenty should give

 In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today

me; well are we finally going to finish off Gaia?

oooh yeah. Allen West...vp or potus? Posted by: willow at January 24, 2011 05:59 PM

I'm callin' POTUS, willow.

OK, as cool as Allen West is, mere Represenatives *don't* become President, at least not until they take another office. Senators infrequently become President, Generals infrequently become President, Governors frequently become President.

I think Daniels has actually been governing as a limited government conservative, rather than just bullshitting everyone.

The way Indiana has been able to cut state government while improving public services is extremely impressive.

Daniels creation of Hoosier Health Savings Accounts, and the implementation of accountability standards for all state employees are also solid achievements. 

Right now, Daniels is my guy unless he does something to convince me otherwise.  (He's also good friends with Ryan, and I think would be likely to tap him as a Vice Presidential candidate.)

MrScribbler,

 I agree , it's strange that you mention this, becase I had thought too soon.

my spouse mentioned Him last night as someone that would fight to the finish for us. (and He's not even political)

anyway I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

I think Daniels has actually been governing as a limited government conservative, rather than just bullshitting everyone.

The way Indiana has been able to cut state government while improving public services is extremely impressive.

Daniels creation of Hoosier Health Savings Accounts, and the implementation of accountability standards for all state employees are also solid achievements. 

Right now, Daniels is my guy unless he does something to convince me otherwise.  (He's also good friends with Ryan, and I think would be likely to tap him as a Vice Presidential candidate.)

Posted by: stickety at January 24, 2011 06:06 PM (FUDwf)

I am a big Daniels fan too.

What he is now doing for education is pretty impressive. 

He isn't loud and he wont have fake columns .. but he is the real deal.

Miss80s. yeah I don't know if He's the right guy , He's doesnt seem fired up. although the video seemed to be .

Pretty soon we'll know how they think, and then we'll know how to beat them. One day it'll be over, and everyone will forget that this was the moment. This is when it turned. And it wasn't the mighty Fleet, it wasn't any fancy new weapon, it was a guy named Pawlenty who captured a brain...

Personally I think RNC would be terrible for her for listed reasons

I have to disagree for he following reasons:

1. RNC gets donors from big donors, Palin=small donors.

I see no reason why she couldn't get donations from big donors, and moreover, that she does gets lots of donations from small donors is a HUGE strength, as it ends the "GOP only for rich fatcats" liberal media meme.

2. RNC chair is supposed to shut up, and stay neutral. Def not Palin

Precisely the problem. See Steele, Michael.

3. She would have to live in DC without having minimum influence at all. If she had to live in DC, she would like influence (President)

What influence she had was campaigning for other GOP candidates. We need more of that mama grizzly spirit in the RNC.

Dilemma: 

I have ENORMOUS doubts about the intelligence of anyone who even flirts with "carbon" as an element of policy.  Pun thoroughly intended.  Pawlenty has to repent about the AGW and crap and tax mistakes right now or I just can't see it.

He's backed off the AGW stuff quite a bit over the last couple of years, for what it's worth.

He's been reasonably solid on fiscal issues; he's vetoed quite a lot of tax / spending bills from the Dem-controlled legislature.  Lefties here hate him.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2011 06:13 PM (NjYDy)

Pence is running for Governor.. He just visited the statehouse, the lt Gov dropped out citing "health issues" and Pence has scheduled picnics all over Indiana.

Posted by: Quicksilver Madness at January 24, 2011 06:12 PM (szg1R)

IIRC, he said that she shouldn't be blamed, but that he wouldn't use crosshairs in a campaign.

@112,

"He's backed off the AGW stuff quite a bit over the last couple of years, for what it's worth."

The problem is....just because you have backed off that position now....you at one point had the position.....and that's a major problem....it exposes alot!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 24, 2011 06:18 PM (GZITd)

Yeah, and he's a Barbour buttboy, and has Barbour's son working right beside him, so there's no way he'll be pushing all of Barbour's ideas or candidacy.

@112,

"He's backed off the AGW stuff quite a bit over the last couple of years, for what it's worth."

The problem is....just because you have backed off that position now....you at one point had the position.....and that's a major problem....it exposes alot!

Posted by: Jimi at January 24, 2011 06:19 PM (fqxV7)

Let me tell you, if I was running against Newt, you can bet every single ad would show him on the couch with Nazi Pelosi. Every. Single. Ad.

I would be disappointed in Bachmann if she were to run. She would prove she is only looking out to become famous. She better not.

Translation:  She might draw votes from the other unelectable  female potential candidate.

Give Preibus a chance.  He worked wonders in Wisconsin and that's the kind of thing the Chairman needs to do:  Build the party. 

I have no qualms with Preibus. I just think party building, fundraising, organizing, rallying the base, and connecting to (or for the GOP, reachng out to) working class America are great jobs for Sarah.

@132,

I agree....Newt doesn't have a chance....too many skeletons for which the media will not play fair about. His previous time in the House...His ex-wife...and his original position on Cap & Trade and AGW. He screwed!

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2011 06:21 PM (NjYDy)

Um, didn't the fund raising of the RNC take a huge hit the last couple years, mainly because they didn't get those small donors?

It's my life's dream to direct Kate Beckinsale in a film where she stars as my moustache.

Wait..

What??

The Chicago ballot??

I thought is was the Chicago ballet.

@138,

I think it is one of the Tests that must be pounded down their throats to show solidarity to the base. It would signal to all of his allies where he is going to stand publically...and signal to his political enemies that we want to put the issue to bed.

He has changed his mind...Well Great....Now he needs to prove it! I fell off the Potato truck....but it wasn't yesterday.

I do.  The big donors hate her.  Hate. Her. Fucking. Guts.  You guys think *I'm* anti-Palin?  You should see the big GOP money men in NYC/Connecticut or L.A. or Florida or Dallas...these are high finance types/Wall Street guys, lawyers, etc.  And they hated Michael Steele for the same reason they would hate Palin: they want a quietly competent, no-alarms-no-surprises guy to run the show, not a walking celebrity TV show.

The *same* reasons? Steele was a walking celebrity TV show? Please elaborate. Whatever her negatives with the Establishment, Sarah is NOT Steele.

Moreover, might the establishment BE the problem?

Remember the myth of Obama's "grass-roots" powered donor base?  It was just that: a myth.  He got the vast majority of his money from big bundlers on Wall Street and Silicon Valley. 

I am well aware of that. But understand that big businesses buy "protection" from both parties, and certain "creative" fruity wealthy industry types will never give a dime to the GOP.

I would be disappointed in Bachmann if she were to run. She would prove she is only looking out to become famous

What of St. Sarah?

He's not even nearly as smart as his reputation would lead you to believe. 

Uh, Jeff...honey. That's as dumb as something the Wasilla snowbilly would say.

...meanwhile...come and get it boys

The problem is....just because you have backed off that position now....you at one point had the position.....and that's a major problem....it exposes alot!

Posted by: Jimi at January 24, 2011 06:19 PM (fqxV7)

Most of the pols (yes, even her) have given at least a nod to the AGW scam:

“We Alaskans are living with the changes that you are observing in Washington,” she said. “The dramatic decreases in the extent of summer sea ice, increased coastal erosion, melting of permafrost, decrease in alpine glaciers and overall ecosystem changes are very real to us.”

Um, didn't the fund raising of the RNC take a huge hit the last couple years, mainly because they didn't get those small donors?

Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 06:26 PM (AkdC5)

I think it was more the budget line item: Hookers and Blow that did it.

Do not count Palin out. Numbers change constantly.

Yes; in her case, constantly changing for the worse.

I do.  The big donors hate her.  Hate. Her. Fucking. Guts.  You guys think *I'm* anti-Palin?  You should see the big GOP money men in NYC/Connecticut or L.A. or Florida or Dallas...these are high finance types/Wall Street guys, lawyers, etc.

Um...Jeffy....snookums...ya really need to put a sock in it. Palin's the dumb one. Remember?

..OK guys...next?

Uh, Jeff...honey. That's as dumb as something the Wasilla snowbilly would say.

...meanwhile...come and get it boys

You need to stop doing that.  Insult me all you want -- I welcome it! -- but please for decency's sake leave my GF out of it.  

I'm asking sincerely, one moron to another.  We can call each other names as much as we want or need to without dragging an innocent woman through the mud.  It's pretty vile of you. 

Posted by: Cherry π at January 24, 2011 06:36 PM (+sBB4)

I LOVE IT!

.  We can call each other names as much as we want or need to without dragging an innocent woman through the mud.  It's pretty vile of you. 

Preach it, brother

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2011 06:28 PM (NjYDy)

He is my first pick too.

What makes me nervous is people arent going to pass out at his campaign stops.

He wont have a cult of personality following like Obummer.

 in part because Steele just didn't want to do his fucking job (80% of the RNC Chair's job is sitting on the phone and fundraising, not going on radio talk shows and making an ass of one's self), and in part because those big donors were turned off by Steele's profligacy.

That said, I see Sarah as neither profligate nor not doing her job, should that have become her job. (We are in hypothetical world now, so this sort of speculation becomes questionable).

it's sad Palin gets slapped  around almost as much from our side.

 It's pretty vile of you. 

Ah, she's found the HQ... 

 I knew we should have reminded you to wash your Browser History.

Now whose girl are we going to make fun of?

What makes me nervous is people arent going to pass out at his campaign stops.

it's sad Palin gets slapped  around almost as much from our side.

She doesn't mind.

What makes me nervous is people arent going to pass out at his campaign stops.

You need to stop doing that.  Insult me all you want -- I welcome it! -- but please for decency's sake leave my GF out of it.  

I don't think anyone is worried about the pretend, made up girlfriend of an anonymous poster

OK, as cool as Allen West is, mere Represenatives *don't* become President, at least not until they take another office. Senators infrequently become President, Generals infrequently become President, Governors frequently become President.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 24, 2011 06:06 PM (ujg0T)

Don't tell that to Abraham Lincoln. His highest office was 1 term in the House, in the mid 1840s.

But I agree its too soon for West and even Christie.

Hollowpoint, it's a shame you didn't post more of that article.  

“There is no way to achieve these goals in the next few decades without a dramatic increase in domestic natural gas and a strong effort to modestly increase domestic oil production,” Palin said. “Keeping Alaska’s OCS [outer continental shelf] lease sales, exploration, and development programs on schedule, especially in the Beaufort Sea and Chukchi Sea, is critically important to this effort.

Oh, and this....

“I don’t know if this signals an official change in her thinking,” said Cindy Shogan, executive director of the Alaska Wilderness League. “But she is a pretty savvy politician and ‘maverick,’ and I think she sees the writing on the wall that there’s going to be some legislation and some administrative action on climate change, that this is something she’s going to need to address.”

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 24, 2011 06:44 PM (GZITd)

I want our economy to come back.  I dont care about personality either. I am broke. 

Which is why I am a Daniels fan. I believe he would cut the shit out of the budget. If anyone will cut .. its Daniels

Her safe word is 'Civility'. 

Besides, what on earth are you doing defending Newt Gingrich?  He's an AGW believer who is asshole buddies with Nancy Pelosi! And I'm not supposed to call him out as a fucking moron?
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2011 06:42 PM (NjYDy)

Wait

What??...I defended Gingrich??

Then, again, anything to paint her in a negative light, right?

No, the point is that she appeared to go from giving some degree legitimacy to the AGW alarmists to a more "denialist" stance more recently.

Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 06:48 PM (AkdC5)

steph, it's been pretty clear for a while now, that no one around here tops hollowpoint's Palin hate. he makes liberals uncomfortable with it.

As I said before, target me all you want and then some.  I'm an adult, I can take it.  Leave her out of it, for god's sake.

What's in the bag, Jeffb?

I am appealing to your sense of decency.

Boy have you stumbled into the wrong blog!!

I am well aware of that. But understand that big businesses buy "protection" from both parties, and certain "creative" fruity wealthy industry types will never give a dime to the GOP.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 24, 2011 06:31 PM (ujg0T)

Why are we rehashing Sarah as RNC chair? Its already over.

But I think the RNC chair is a "staff" position, which is one of the reasons Steele was bad at it.  He's supposed to implement the general party policies set by the influential men and women of the party, not tell everyone what the policies are. Like her or not, Palin is a general in the field, not a staff officer making sure the shipments of rations and bullets get to the right spot.

Palin will run and win.. you betcha!

Ahoy! 

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 24, 2011 06:50 PM (eOXTH)

Uh oh....you may be onto something here

@219

Ding...Ding...Ding!

No, the point is that she appeared to go from giving some degree legitimacy to the AGW alarmists to a more "denialist" stance more recently.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2011 06:52 PM (SY2Kh)

No, that's what you see.   What she did was basically say that if this administration was going to take action on AGW, she knew as governor she would have to address it, and that is how she chose to do it.   By NOT giving up on Drill Baby Drill.

What's in the bag, Jeffb?

Posted by: Chris Hansen at January 24, 2011 06:53 PM (P9Byv)

Yes, I snorted.

And felt good.

@231

Having lived in Minnesota at one time...I know what you speak is true. But you have to break it the other supporters gently. Once T-Paw gets the lime light, the base is going drop him like a bad habit!

steph, it's been pretty clear for a while now, that no one around here tops hollowpoint's Palin hate. he makes liberals uncomfortable with it.

Exhibit A as to why those of us who do not worship at the altar of St. Sarah (pbuh) accuse the annoying Palinbots of engaging in cult-like celebrity worship.

Show me something- anything- I've written that suggest I "hate" her.  Note: suggesting that she's unelectable in the general might be considered blasphemy among the mindless Palinbots, it doesn't quite rise to the level of "hate".

you know what doesn't help.shitting on Palin, regardless if she's Your choice or not, Who can fkn deny she has been slung through the mud for years and she remains standing, She doesn't hide, she doesn't obsfuctae, She fights back , she stands for most of the same things you or I do,  and openly. when those that have to defend palin from jackasses on blogs, are expected to eat shit when your guy wins. well whatever.

Palins not my first choice, but if she frikn gets the nod, I'm so there, i will drag my whole family to vote as I did for that jerk McCain, and be prouder of it!

Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 07:03 PM (AkdC5)

Minnesota isn't liberal as much as it is nuts. Any state that elects Jesse Ventura governor has a screw loose. It makes you wonder why Pawlenty is so non-confrontational, since they apparently don't care if their elected officials are cartoon characters or hack comedians.

@239

Hell.....If this country put Barack Obama in power with a Democratic Super Majority.....then anything is possible!

Palin is the Hillary Clinton counterpart. She may not win this time.....but she isn't going away!

Hollowpoint, since you're sooo much smarter than the 'bots, you should probably understand that the more you denigrate people by calling them Plainbots & calling Palin "Saint Sarah", that you're just making those 'bots mnore determined.

Guess you don't seem to understand that the more you tell some people they can't do something the more determined those people will be.

So, by all means keep it up.

and that shit alter of palin, or St Palin,   for defending her against side swipes.g-d what shit.

Posted by: Nice Deb at January 24, 2011 07:06 PM (4XEn3)

If he's trying to trim now on these kind of issues, guess what he will do when the stakes are actually high.

Posted by: willow at January 24, 2011 07:06 PM (h+qn

+500

^{Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2011 07:04 PM (SY2Kh)}

You take that back-

Sarah immaculately conceived and then carried the Tea Party to term. 

She's a Mother!

...and she was the Mayor.  The Mayor. Of Wasilla! 

That's before she served as the State of Alaska's greatest living Governorette.

She writes more intelligent things on her palm for one interview than you post in a week.

You Betcha!

Posted by: curious at January 24, 2011 07:04 PM (p302b)

On the whole, I find New Yorkers to be friendly and helpful. The city with the most and biggest fuckheads that I've experienced is Minneapolis

I can't see getting behind Daniels when Pawlenty is there.  TPaw's got the CATO score, he's taller, better looking, and has hair.  They're almost the same guy except that Daniels has p/o'd the SoCons with his truce.

I don't see any reason why Daniels shouldn't run simply because Pawlenty is in the race- they're not carbon copies of each other.  I don't believe that his SoCon "truce" is a complete dealkiller for him.

TPaw has his faults too- as mentioned his prior support for federal action to combat "climate change" and for ethanol.

If they both run, I'd want to see how each performs on the campaign trail before choosing one over the other.

@254,

All that means is that you have not been to L.A. lately!

L.A. is pure insanity!

I meant it as a silly bit of joshing with him,

So do we..er, at least ..I do...

...no one is trying to shut him up. And ya gotta admit, the Chris Hansen line was a nutbuster

Posted by: Oldcat at January 24, 2011 07:06 PM (z1N6a)

Well, he did say that he decided not to run again after the '08 election 'cause he didn't want to have to butt heads anymore with the Dem legislature.

If he's not a confrontational guy, that doesn't bode well for what we need as a president right now.  He needs to be able to fight back with strength to stop the bullshit or roll back the crap that's been heaped on us.

She is not nearly as popular as you seem to think she is.

Hmmmm... I wonder why her popularity took a nosedive

This was excitement  excitement. I'm wet.

Posted by: PALINISTA! at January 24, 2011 07:09 PM (P9Byv)

Having fun garrett?

Hollowpoint, since you're sooo much smarter than the 'bots, you should probably understand that the more you denigrate people by calling them Plainbots & calling Palin "Saint Sarah", that you're just making those 'bots mnore determined.

How much more "determined" could they get?  Tattooing her name on their forehead?  Offering sacrifices to the Alaskan Prophet?

As evidenced by this thread (and many others), you can't mention a potential candidate without the Palin-worshippers showing up with their mindless drivel.  All in support of a potential candidate that would almost guarantee Obama getting a second term were she to be nominated.

Posted by: curious at January 24, 2011 07:13 PM (p302b)

Do a little more research than hearing a sound bite.

@271

Well......we don't really know exactly who wants the job, and why they want it. Once that becomes clear, it will be easier to answer the question.

Good post Drew. I am as unsure of Pawlenty as I am of the all you can eat sushi place a few miles away.

Pawlenty seems to be reasonable however, there is something missing from  Pawlenty that is becoming more and more evident.  Pawlenty is unable to articulate a compelling message and connect with his audience.  Dismal book sales and his lackluster appeal seem to make this all too strained for this former Midwestern governor.

And then this weird contrived video of Tarantino meets John Philip Souza is beyond creepy.

Having fun garrett?

^{Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 07:17 PM (AkdC5)}

Pointing out that the Palin-bots always show up on the Sarah / 2012 Contender Threads and make arguments that aren't sensible in the defense of their chosen leader?

Let me check my palm, here...it say's, "YOU BETCHA!".

What do you think?

OH, wait a sec....the other one says, "AHOY!".

This is how Al Franken gets elected to a major state-wide office.

Actually, it was mostly due to the fact that Coleman ran a shitty campaign, in addition to a nationwide backlash against Republicans in 2008.

High-sticking anyone who doesn't get on message?

Drew is getting to you, Ace.

That there's a Hockey reference!

It's like grade school around here sometimes.

Is not!

Actually, it was mostly due to the fact that Coleman ran a shitty campaign, in addition to a nationwide backlash against Republicans in 2008.

Well, that and fraud.

I wonder why her popularity took a nosedive

Three words : Over Expose Sure.

*stares into camera while whipping off sunglasses*

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 07:17 PM (nj1bB)

Nah..I'm all about valid criticism...not "my mommy and (pretend) girlfriend are super-duper smart, super-duper educated, and super-duper religious and they hate Palin...and therefore all the other super-duper smart, super-duper educated, super-duper religious must also"

I'll vote for Pawlenty when I see a video of him ripping Al Franken's heart out of his fucking chest and then stomping on it.

All set to John Philip Sousa music.

What do you think?

OH, wait a sec....the other one says, "AHOY!".

 Posted by: PALINISTAS! at January 24, 2011 07:20 PM (P9Byv)

And it really helps the discourse when you and others jump right in to slam her at every opportunity.   You don't like her.   Fine.    Ignore the comments, but you can't.   How's the PDS coming along?

Posted by: nickless at January 24, 2011 07:28 PM (MMC8r)

Wait, we aren't? WTF!

I'll vote for Pawlenty when I see a video of him ripping Al Franken's heart out of his fucking chest and then stomping on it.

All set to John Philip Sousa music.

I was think more of something Bob Seger-ish.  But Sousa would work for the older demo spot.

If he's not a confrontational guy, that doesn't bode well for what we need as a president right now. He needs to be able to fight back with strength to stop the bullshit or roll back the crap that's been heaped on us.

"During his time in office, Governor Pawlenty issued 299 complete bill and line-item vetoes, including vetoing $7.5 billion in tax increases.  In 2008, Pawlenty set a record for the most bill vetoes issued in one year by a Minnesota governor."

As to the "not confrontational enough" charge- know why every candidate in the general claims (credibly or not) that he's a "uniter not a divider", has experience "reaching across the isle" or "post-partisan"?

Because that's what the electorate in general wants to hear.  If you can't play the "bi-partisan" card with some degree of plausibility, you'll lose.  

Would everyone take it easy . . . let's wait until Ann Althouse weighs in.

Oh, sorry . . . she's over at the Yarn Barn off main right now.

Ha!

This country has so much "White Guilt," you think Obama is going to be allowed to fail? Not a chance in hell!

It doesn't matter who the Republican's pick, the vote is already over.......Of course the first Black President gets another term......you people are really arrogant to believe that your actually gonna get a say in this......

@5: "the primaries will bring out the winner ..."

The GOP primaries? The last real winner they gave us was Reagan.  Bush I and II may have been elected President, but they weren't exactly winners.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 07:22 PM (nj1bB)

Huh?/ I'm insisting on message discipline? Geez...who pissed in your Mueslix?

All I have said is that much, if not most, of the Palin citicism is shyte.

^{...and I'm kinda confused about your second paragraph}

Posted by: nickless at January 24, 2011 07:28 PM (MMC8r)

Wait, we aren't? WTF!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at January 24, 2011 07:29 PM (eCAn3)

Nickless, Unclefacts--are you now or have you ever been part of the Mike Huckabee "Thing"?  Yes or no, please.

Posted by: beedubya at January 24, 2011 07:32 PM (AnTyA)

apparently ace has been hitting the NyQuil real hard.

Well, that and fraud.

Meh; I've generally come to accept the fact that if the Dem is within 1% of the vote, they win.  It should've never been that close, and Coleman deserves much of the blame for it becoming such a close race in the first place.

Posted by: nickless at January 24, 2011 07:26 PM (MMC8r)

What is she, 38C?

Looks like 38C.

Nickless, Unclefacts--are you now or have you ever been part of the Mike Huckabee "Thing"?  Yes or no, please.

Posted by: Tailgunner Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 24, 2011 07:33 PM (GZITd)

never, and you can even ask Mr. Tiddles.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2011 07:32 PM (45DBC)

Dr. Spank lost China.

This country has so much "White Guilt," you think Obama is going to be allowed to fail? Not a chance in hell!

I kinda thought many white guilters would rationalize that they voted for him once, and were now free to go back to being racists and voting for somebody else.

And it really helps the discourse when you and others jump right in to slam her at every opportunity.   You don't like her.   Fine.    Ignore the comments, but you can't.   How's the PDS coming along?

^{Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 07:28 PM (AkdC5)}

PDS?  You mean FDS?  That's probably what you meant, right?

Give it up, Steph.  I wasn't pointing out that you are Palinista-Light. 

 I was pointing out Flapjakmaka or whoever that is who posed the argument that Michelle Bachmann is an attention whore, then threatened her not to run!?While previously posting Pro-Sarah nonsense, then backing it up with a prediction of a Sarah Palin run and win... 

All with a "You-Betcha' ".

How could I help myself.

The shit I heard today about the economy.  Let's try to just get through the next 6 months.

At any rate, what's for dinner?

So will you guys answer a serious question from a Palin supporter---If she DOES decide to run and wins the nomination, will you get behind her solidly?  Or will you give O'Donnel style support?

Been There.  Done That. 

Both, actually.

 Sacred Honour...yada yada...

Posted by: curious at January 24, 2011 07:26 PM (p302b)

unfortunately .. thats right.

Like I said above.. nobody will pass out at a Daniels rally.

Oh and the motorcycle thing isnt fake.. the guy rides it everywhere with security following behind. 

"I declare under the watchful eyes of our Lord that I will do all in my power as a man to live a drug-free, crime-free life to the end of my existence"

That idiot Hucklebee bought that shit! Can you believe it?

Wrong evening to discuss boob size, huh?

Boy, that Janyne Mansfield had some Big breasts...

Boy, that Janyne Mansfield had some Big breasts...

I prefer a girl with a good head on her shoulders.

it'll be the o'donnell treatment; they can't help themselves.

Can I pick them, or what?

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 07:36 PM (nj1bB)

OK..I'll lay off "the Jeff B's girlfriend is a whore"jokes...because it's just gosh-darned fucking awful to make a joke about someones GF being "a dirty, dirty whore'

...but seriously...I'm goofing on Jeff B for hiding behind his mother and girlfriends skirts ...^{_{as small as they may be...but I keed..}} in his Palin attacks

While what he said they said was not ugly or vile..it was ridiculous nonetheless

Kratos even in the midst of this economic storm you make me laugh.

When it hits the fan be sure to let me know what shortwave frequency you'll be on.

@357

Well...I think the momentum shift is actually going to work against us. Obama and the Democrats scared alot of people, but the problem now is the general population has been conditioned to be left-o-center, and now they aren't gonna want to give to much power to the Republicans for the exact reason we were complaining about it in early 2009.

So Republicans are gonna get big majorities in the House and Senate, and people are gonna leave the Executive the same, so that Republicans don't undue everything.

Obama is going to end up with every young voter again, every Black voter again, every female voter [with exception of the Palin Bots], and he is probably going to end up with the Latino vote....Not mention that the media is going to turn the propoganda machine up to "Eleventy 11"

It gonna be an uphill battle all the way!  

Yeah, the inside the beltway, squish NYC/Northeast RINOs cant' stand her. You know, the ones that have to keep checking to see if her balls are bigger than theirs?

You never were paying attention during that whole 'Birds and Bees' talk we had, were you?

Um, if you weren't blinding yourself to the reality of the polls you'd wake up and realize that Palin does in fact alienate a LOT of people on the right. Most of the GOP doesn't want her as a candidate.

Not blinding myself at all. My point is the constant propaganda attack is working..to what degree??..who knows..but to deny it is silly

Further, he didn't say he could prove that. It wasn't a fucking poll. He didn't claim it was a study. It was a personal observation and speculation which you have taken as an invite to continue insulting them just because you're a rotten prick.

Umm..about those personal attacks....

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 07:41 PM (nj1bB)

You never were paying attention during that whole 'Birds and Bees' talk we had, were you?

Posted by: Unclefacts Dad at January 24, 2011 07:48 PM (P9Byv)

Seeing as how my father and I have been pretty much completely estranged since I was 17, I'd say..... no.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 07:48 PM (nj1bB)

Feel free big man, I got big shoulders I can take it. Apparently can't say the same for your side of the tent.

Yeah, the inside the beltway, squish NYC/Northeast RINOs cant' stand her. You know, the ones that have to keep checking to see if her balls are bigger than theirs?

You'd have a point if the general electorate consisted mostly of True Conservatives, but it doesn't.

The main goal is beating Obama, not seeking personal validation in witnessing your favorite celebrity candidate win the primary.

Seeing as how my father and I have been pretty much completely estranged since I was 17, I'd say..... no.

Man.  Why you gotta make a moron feel bad?

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2011 07:51 PM (P9Byv)

I'M BEING REPRESSED!

"He took it out" moment just on Seinfeld.

It?

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 24, 2011 07:52 PM (bAySe)

Agreed! 

Out?

Posted by: Cherry π at January 24, 2011 07:56 PM (+sBB4)

It's also why I've wanted NYC cut off from the rest of us for decades. They ain't like the rest of us.

Right now Rasmussen has Romney in the lead with 24%, Palin 19%, and the huckster with 17%.  

The survey of 1,000 Likely GOP Primary Voters was conducted on January 18, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. Likely GOP Primary Voters include both Republicans and unaffiliated voters likely to vote in a GOP Primary.

ThereÂ’s little difference of opinion now between male and female primary voters.

Palin leads among Tea Party members with 28% support. RomneyÂ’s the favorite among non-members with 32% of the vote.

Romney, Palin and Huckabee are essentially in a three-way tie among voters who describe themselves as very conservative. Those who characterize themselves as somewhat conservative and moderate/liberal have a clear preference for Romney.

Romney holds the lead among married and unmarried primary voters, but Palin is slightly ahead among those who have children living with them.

Palin and Huckabee are neck-and-neck among evangelical Christians. Other Protestants, Catholics and those of other religions like Romney better.

Huckabee has fallen pretty far since October.   They were all close to being tied in Novemeber.   Newt comes in at 11%.

Why don't you trade with another midget?

Out y'all.

This is something that emotionally, um, excitable people like you

Maybe I'm just hormonal right now, but I am getting this weird sense you don't care for me

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at January 24, 2011 08:00 PM (wd0Iq)

Cee Lo Green. You know it, I know it, even Ace in his NyQuil fogged existence knows it.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 24, 2011 07:59 PM (sZ+lP)

Obama?

@408,

Miss80's,

No I don't assume it is univeral across the board, I am just looking at the majority of the specific demographic.

Unfortunately, the majority of the population is consistantly voting Democrat now....or at least they want to vote Democrat.....once they see that the Republicans are going to get the huge majorties, the only stop gap will be to keep Obama. Behind the scences they have been setting this senerio up, where the mantra is......"The economic data suggest that a Republican controled House and Senate with a Democratic President is the best senerio for economic growth."

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 24, 2011 07:59 PM (sZ+lP)

Barack Obama...but given that Barack has spent almost 30 years fighting against Reagan and everything he ever stood for, its obvious that Obama is lying. 

I think she can do it. She runs a good campaign and is very likable. I expect het to break the meme.

Sarah!

You can doo eeet!

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2011 08:01 PM (nj1bB)

oh that tears it. YOU BASTARD. bet you're gay.

nah, no dislike for her there. none at all right?

A dislike for the behavior of the Palinbots?  I've made myself pretty clear on that.

Palin doesn't currently hold office, but does have a reality TV show and a daughter who appeared on yet another. 

When her supporters (be they hardcore Palinbots or not) talk about her, it's rarely her actual political positions or record they want to talk about.  Instead it's her personality they keep going on and on about (she's a brave and fearless warrior for giving talking points on Hannity!!!).

Her supporters talk about her as if she were little more than a celebrity, and Palin herself seems to encourage it to some degree.

If we take it as agiven the odds are against us in 2012 (I don't see why that would be, btw), then "risk" is relative. Ehy would Palin be riskier than Dole was in 1996? He was "safe," and an utter disaster. We can see Rudy, Pahlenty, and Romney would be in 2012. Rudy was a diaster last time around. Pahlenty is as exciting as cold gruel. Romney couldn't even beat the rolling disaster that was McCain, yet another "safe" candidate.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 24, 2011 08:01 PM (tJjm/)

Meanwhile, we conservatives are eating each other alive.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 24, 2011 08:04 PM (sZ+lP)

2 snaps in a circle to you guys.

@75: "Tim Pawlenty has the same initials as Tea Party.

And toilet paper"

----------------------------

And tuchus poker!  Hmmm.....I am now in a quandry.....party loyalty or party time?

Posted by: West at January 24, 2011 08:09 PM (2VoNm)

if you add one always confused independent....?

@471

Miss80s,

"People vote with their pocketbooks."

Yes...I agree...but the problem there is that the majority of the population can be convinced that it is the Republicans that caused/are causing the economic problems. The media are experts at doing just that, and if history serves as a guide.....they could do it again! 

Posted by: West at January 24, 2011 08:09 PM (2VoNm)

Such a person is occupying the Oval Office as we speak. But you do point that out too, so it can't be said you're inconsistent on that

The person occupying the Oval Office will also have had a full term as President under his belt.

I keep seeing this argument from the Palinistas- "Obama didn't have much experience either and he won in 2008, therefore so could Palin in 2012!"   Problem is, we're not running against Senator Obama anymore.

Ace, what is with the lack of a Cutler thread? We're talking a thousand comments easy, dude. Palin has gotten boring, she needs to take a nice long retreat. Pawlenty? Nice guy, but yikes.

I know, you're saving Cutler for happy hour. I'll go get my wine right now.

My knee twisted

My finger blistered

Bring my hoodie, butler!

And call me...Mister Cutler

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 24, 2011 08:13 PM (c0A3e)

yeah, that's what I thought.  I think he has decided to conduct business as usual, even if the dems lost the house and just ram some more unwanted laws down our throats.  Scary part is, he is such a super salesman I'm afraid we'll be wondering where the republicans, newly elected, left their balls, after these votes.

The other reasons? We don't think she can do the job. She has given no serious signs of qualifications. She was just barely qualified for VP in 2008 but apparently on November 3rd 2008 she suddenly became qualified for the presidency.

She has now had two years to grow and hasn't. She's still mostly known for what she was good at in September 2008, giving applause lines and fair-to-good cutting snark on the other party.

I love Sarah, but yeah I have to agree with this.  Of course, the same could be said for Obama as well, but he had the entire MSM covering his ass for him.  I think she's good at making the libs heads explode.  They can't get enough of her.

 Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2011 08:15 PM (SY2Kh)

You're right, but we're running against a clueless fuck who is trying to screw up everything that is good about this country.

Gingrich/Keyes 2012. 

C'mon you assholes, it's our turn already!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 24, 2011 08:18 PM (tJjm/)

that's funny, I was wondering when you guys were going to realize she is an ever ageing mom of 5, her and michelle bachman and nan p.....

moms....

^{Posted by: The Conservative Moses at January 24, 2011 08:16 PM (8s9tr})

Easy there.  

I own the rights to

 'Mormons for Moses' -

We only take 8%!

Join My Religion.

You people (!) are missing the obvious, so I guess it is left to me to state it:

The REASON Olbermann left MSNBC is as obvious as his galactic-level intellect: 

To Make A Run For the Presidency. 

there.  i said it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 24, 2011 08:17 PM (GZITd)

you are DEAD to me. DEAD.

(I denounce myself for the violent rhetoric)

If Obama can't make things better by then (which he won't be able to do), then I don't see how he's going to get reelected. People vote with their pocketbooks.

Check the approval rating of GWB or Clinton at this point in their first term.  Even with a massive deficit and a shitty economy with high unemployment, Obama has still managed to say around 50% aproval, give or take 5 points.

We're also looking at him holding a war chest as large as 1 billion dollars while the RNC is broke.  Furthermore, the GOP House won't allow him to pass any more unpopular liberal bills like Obamacare or the Stimulus.  He'll appear to become more "moderate" whether he wants to or not on that basis alone.

Many of you are vastly underestimating Obama's chances in 2012.  No matter who we nominate, it's going to be an uphill battle.

@180: "Pawlenty: "Â…activities or principles. So that's not what I'm saying. I want to be clear about that. I'm just saying you can express yourself firmly and passionately and with conviction. But you don't need to do it in a way that demeans others."

Rated P, for pussy.

Could someone on the right maybe try demeaning the Left, just once? It might work....

Palin's 2012 theme song

^{Posted by: Cherry ð at January 24, 2011 08:23 PM (+sBB4)}

Pullin' that Train, High on Cocaine...

The same T-Yawn who was on board with globaloney some months ago?  No thanks.

If by "some months ago" you mean 2008, then yes.

Many of you are vastly underestimating Obama's chances in 2012.  No matter who we nominate, it's going to be an uphill battle.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2011 08:25 PM (SY2Kh) 

I agree with you completely.  Once the campaign takes over he will be unbeatable again and people will say "we have to give him a second chance, he wasn't able to show us what he can really accomplish"  and he wins again...

heck didn't they elect clinton after some scandal?

They have built a warm, fuzzy halo around their candidate that, from outside, is a little short on facts. One good example is the "Alaskan Gas Pipeline." Yes, she "negotiated it, but go try to find even a construction site, much less a real pipeline.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 24, 2011 08:22 PM (Ulu3i)

A construction site Or a pipeline for a project that large doesn't happen overnight, but that doesn't mean nothing has been happeing or it is not still continuing.   As a matter of fact, it seems to be pretty much on target for a project that size.   That is, if Obama doesn't step in and stop it. 

http://tiny.cc/tuu8e

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 24, 2011 08:31 PM (vz/ss)

I think you have who came, backwards.

Gotta say, New York City is a city of transplants. When "New Yorkers" ask each other, "Hey, where you from?" they really mean what state did they migrate from. The outer boroughs have been overrun with out of state hipsters, over the last 15 years. The average nutbag is a douchebag from Ohio who looks down on his own upbringing. The New Yorka railing against Walmart is usually not a native. Not in my experience. I'm 36, grew up in a shitty section of Brooklyn. My dad was Navy, everyone's dad was in the service at some point, and they damn well pledged the flag and cared about America. Three guys in my building alone joined the service, one a decorated Marine. Over the same time period, as hipsters moved in surrounding areas, the neighborhood devolved from working class shithole to welfare hellhole.

You people (!) are missing the obvious, so I guess it is left to me to state it:

The REASON Olbermann left MSNBC is as obvious as his galactic-level intellect: 

To Make A Run For the Presidency. 

there.  i said it.

To this, a ticket I would buy.

And talk like Yoda for a full year to boot.

@520

Hollow,

I agree.....Obama has already won the election in 2012....It's over! But no worries, with Republican majorities in the House and Senate he isn't gonna get away anything. The key is force the Dmocrats to take responsiblity for their actions over the past four years.....and teach the population that they have been had....that secures real power in the future where all this crap can be reversed, changed, fixed, and intelligently handled to secure an economic future for the country.

A construction site Or a pipeline for a project that large doesn't happen overnight, but that doesn't mean nothing has been happeing or it is not still continuing.   As a matter of fact, it seems to be pretty much on target for a project that size.   That is, if Obama doesn't step in and stop it.  Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 08:31 PM

But it hasn't been built yet, though plenty of Palin supporters have couched it in terms that make it sound as if the gas is already flowing.

And it won't be Palin's pipeline when it's done. She played a part, true, but it's up to others to make it happen.

I want the most intelligent, articulate,  LIMITED GOVERNMENT conservative possible. 

If Obama is riding high / unbeatable, let's at least run an intelligent, ideological campaign (unlike McCain's incoherent balderdash). 

If he is BEATABLE, let's not f*ck it up by nominating a sure loser (i.e. Palin - I love her, but NO), or a big government Republican (i.e. Huckabee / Romney). 

LIMITED GOVERNMENT + SMART

That's all I ask for...

Posted by: nickless at January 24, 2011 08:34 PM (MMC8r)

Yep.

It will all be the economy. Which.. I see not getting better at all... if not worse.

If the economy is in the tank and we put forth a candidate that has a record of accomplishment I think Obama is done.

Nah. He's still in a protected class. Even though he'll be accused by some of being "off the plantation," or "an oreo," his critics will be split for fear of the race card.

Cue.. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al.

@279: "beedubya, let me guess, the way we go about making her popular again is to practice ruthlessly repeititve message discipline until everyone's on the bandwagon again, right? "

Ya gotta admit - it works pretty well as a tactic when we do it for our guys.

@548

Stickety,

I agree....we should be taking the opportunity to "teach" and expose. Let's make the F'n electorate use their brains for once?

Posted by: Derak at January 24, 2011 08:36 PM (CjpKH)

Yup.  And her husband?  I know for a fact that he poaches the endangered Chilean Sea Bass on his fishing boat.

Just because it is endangered.

550+ comments?? what the hell kind of thread is this?

55 President!

 but it won't happen because too many people pee down their legs when he speaks...he's sooo scary when he says mean things! (curse the pussification of modern homo sapiens)

@355: "Never underestimate the ability of the GOP to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."

Dass what we do!!!!

*gesticulates wildly with two pistols*

Shit, the first call from Katie Couric promising to be fair, and a prime spot on Sunday night "to let the public get to know you" will trick the GOP sucker with flattery, just before Katie zeroes in with the uncomfortable memes and the Big Gotcha question

I agree, but dammit when that happens, don't sit there with that deer in the headlights look.  Good grief most of these possible contenders have been around the block a few times.  They should be able to handle that shit.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 24, 2011 07:37 PM (ud5dN)

I will support whoever the GOP comes up with to run against BO.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 24, 2011 08:46 PM (bAySe)

Please don't remind me of the ridiculous setup of our primary system: front-loaded with small, atypical states with specific interests and completely unrepresentative of the country at large.  Does starting with farm-subsidy Iowa and northeast New Hampshire really get the supposed conservative party off on the right foot?

I agree, but dammit when that happens, don't sit there with that deer in the headlights look.  Good grief most of these possible contenders have been around the block a few times.  They should be able to handle that shit.

And it won't be Palin's pipeline when it's done. She played a part, true, but it's up to others to make it happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 24, 2011 08:35 PM (Ulu3i

She negotiated it.  Something that no other governor was able to do, but she's stoopid.

And no matter how much you want to believe that it won't be her pipeline once it's built, people will know that she was the one that finally got an agreement on it when nothing had been accomplished on it for 30 years before she did it.   She was governor through the entire process right down to who was given the license for the project.   The rest  is up to Trans-Canada & Exxon Mobile.

You can try to minimise that all you want, but them's the facts.

Gotta say, New York City is a city of transplants. When "New Yorkers" ask each other, "Hey, where you from?" they really mean what state did they migrate from. The outer boroughs have been overrun with out of state hipsters, over the last 15 years. The average nutbag is a douchebag from Ohio who looks down on his own upbringing. The New Yorka railing against Walmart is usually not a native. Not in my experience. I'm 36, grew up in a shitty section of Brooklyn. My dad was Navy, everyone's dad was in the service at some point, and they damn well pledged the flag and cared about America. Three guys in my building alone joined the service, one a decorated Marine. Over the same time period, as hipsters moved in surrounding areas, the neighborhood devolved from working class shithole to welfare hellhole.

I don't mean to denigrate what NYC was. I just hate what it is today. As in any area, there is at least a plurality (probably at least 35-40%) conservatives in NYC overall. Mebbe we can just drown Manhattan in a burlap sack?

'Scuse me for the non-civil metaphor. Let's try again. Mebbe we could exercise our right to choose over Manhattan?

'Made this for dinner tonight and it was really quite good.  Served it with beet tops sauteed with garlic.  I think the stew would also be good with pork or even beef. 

I've got white runner Cannelini with Pancetta, Celery, Shallots, Garlic, and White Wine simmering on the stove and some Antelope Kabob/Satay ready for the Grill thanks to that earlier post of yours!

Thanks.

They should but they don't and they won't.  If you fight the MFM,  Karl THE ARCHITECT Rove will spend weeks shitting on you because you're not getting with the way things work in Washington, that you have to take your lumps and smile while the enemy breaks your kneecaps

Fuck Karl Rove.  He's worn out his welcome.

For Christs Sake! If Huckabee is even considered for the Presidency than I hope the Sun explodes, it would signal that we don't deserve to be free. Give me a Break......HuckleBerry hound? Seriously?

I give up.......Go ahead put Huckster in there.......No wonder the rest of the world is laughing at us!

550+ comments?? what the hell kind of thread is this?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 24, 2011 08:44 PM (YbQs3)

Pawlenty turned Palin thread, all the haters came out to give their learned opinion on why she won't be president. The defenders came to defend her. I just started reading it and haven't yet learned who the haters are for but I know who they are against.

I have a feeling though that when the haters say who they are for that that candiate isn't going to get much love from the defenders.

Mitch Daniels is clearly the smartest guy running - and it's not even close.  He also has - far and away - the most conservative record of governance.

Unfortunately, his "truce on social issues" comments will probably be enough to convince the average voter that he's some kind of McCainish moderate.

Posted by: stickety at January 24, 2011 05:49 PM (FUDwf)

I read that he's drunk the ethanol Koolaid. Haven't heard much else negative about him though.

Jeebus.  This thread smells like my husband's underwear after a weekend long camping trip. 

There is some funny shit upthread.

@439: "Maybe I'm just hormonal right now, but I am getting this weird sense you don't care for me."

It's not personal Rafterman, it's just business. And only fuck the whores who cough.

I will support whoever the GOP comes up with to run against BO.

Posted by: Museisluse at January 24, 2011 08:48 PM (u/Nbu)

Yep.  I always vote R.  Will not sit it out.. will do whatever to get Obama OUT.

>> not to mention the small fact of there being open primaries in shithole liberal controlled states like NY.

There are open primaries in non-shithole non-liberal controlled states like Texas too.

It's true.  You can google it.

 all the haters came out to give their learned opinion on why she won't be president. The defenders came to defend her

gotcha. in that case, laterz ya'llz

I have a feeling though that when the haters say who they are for that that candiate isn't going to get much love from the defenders.

Ahoy!

Come on in, the water is blessed.

Jeebus. This thread smells like my husband's underwear after a weekend long camping trip.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2011 08:48 PM (UOM4

That's because you probably packed his clean underware in with his rifle and he never found it.

There are open primaries in non-shithole non-liberal controlled states like Texas too.

It's true.  You can google it.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 24, 2011 08:55 PM (Wh0W+)

yeah but I have to live in this one. how's the real estate down that way bro?

, or new socks.

Both!

I hasten to add, I'm not a fan of open primaries.  But they're not the exclusive invention of liberals.

Real estate here?  Commercial, residential or rural?  Commercial props are in the shitter, residential generally down, farm/pasture oddly but mostly unchanged.  Hard to move an existing home though, the builders are cuttin each other's throats.

It's icky.

@532: "After quite a few scandals, but Lewinsky came in term 2"

Um, *I* never came.

Our biggest problem leading up to the pirmaries is shitheads like McCain raving over Obama in the media.    He was on the Sunday shows talking about how Obama is starting to do all the right things, and showing how he's getting the message from the election in November.   Oh, and he's sooo smart.

I could just bitch slap that asshole.

I'm getting dispirited.

Yeah.

@548: "If he is BEATABLE, let's not f*ck it up by nominating a sure loser... or a big government Republican..."

Okay, you just nixed our entire stable.....

I could just bitch slap that asshole.

Posted by: Steph at January 24, 2011 09:05 PM (AkdC5)

It can't be said too many times:  Fuck McCain

Posted by: Uncle Jed at January 24, 2011 08:41 PM (vXwmy)

Note to self: Hold gas under 8 bucks.

Fuck Karl Rove.  He's worn out his welcome.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 24, 2011 08:52 PM

Not on MY SHOW! He's a GREAT AMERICAN,  THE ARCHITECT !!! I write crib notes on blue jeans just so I won't forget one nugget of sage universal wisdom that just flows from his brilliant mind!

At least T-Paw is cute.

Whew - Drudge has a photo up of Rham. Rham is one scary looking lefty.  yiukes. Pure evil.

I've got white runner Cannelini with Pancetta, Celery, Shallots, Garlic, and White Wine simmering on the stove and some Antelope Kabob/Satay ready for the Grill thanks to that earlier post of yours!

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Sounds great, garrett, as always!

Man, I miss my grill.  We left it with the CA house.  'Won't get a new one until we settle into a new place permanently. 

Posted by: Sean Hannity at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (vdfwz)

Heh.

Rove gets tiresome but at least he doesn't pimp his website every other sentence like Dick Morris.

^{Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (UOM4}

Husbands. 

Who needs them?  Am I right, girls?

The GOP needs to grow a pair and rail against the government union-democrat party corruption machine.  That marriage is ruining America.

Government workers should not be allowed to form a union.  It pits tax payers agains the union, and the tax payer loses every time.

Posted by: West at January 24, 2011 09:08 PM (FjubR)

yeah...tell me about it.

Man, I miss my grill.  We left it with the CA house.  'Won't get a new one until we settle into a new place permanently. 

You'd be amazed at what you can do with a portable Weber!

All for about $30.  Less if you can find a used one...just get a new grill.

^{Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (UOM4}

Husbands. 

Who needs them?  Am I right, girls?

You said it, girl.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (GZitp)

Daniels - Ryan:  

By far and away the smartest ticket possible - These two would run circles around Obama/Biden.

I've NEVER seen either one of these two guys come off badly in any type of interview.  Plus, Daniels is the best governor in America.

I am waaaaay late to the argument here, but I don't mind Pawlenty.

He's not my fav, but he's leaps and bounds better than obama

Whoever gets a prom date for the SOTU should have to have sex with whomever it is.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (GZitp)

Yeah maybe, that isn't Palins Plan though. Trans Canada would own it and pay for it with loans using contracts from the shippers (drillers) as collateral for the loans. The producers only pay to ship their gas through it. 

Daniels - Ryan:  

By far and away the smartest ticket possible - These two would run circles around Obama/Biden.

A dream come true. 

Rove gets tiresome but at least he doesn't pimp his website every other sentence like Dick Morris.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at January 24, 2011 09:12 PM (A0VTZ)

Dear Delta,

Don't forget that Eileen McGann and I wrote a book on website pimping and conservative polling.  Our new Pac is PacGov.net.  It gets confusing because the e-mail is PacGov.net.net on account the pac is PacGov.net as a proper noun. 

I tried to explain it to Hannity but then just suggested to contact my pac at Dick Morris.com. Which is actually a proper noun and the e-mail is Dick Morris.com.net.

Regards,

Dick, just Dick.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2011 09:21 PM (UwFY0)

How bout a litte Megadeath 'Symphony of Destruction'...heh the lyrics work too if I remember them right

Again, that's damning with faint praise. 

Every time Obama mentions globull warming at the SOTU show tomorrow earns a "drink!" from me.

Kerry: Obama to embrace 'major initiatives' on climate in SOTU

President Obama is likely to announce "major initiatives" on energy and climate change in his State of the Union address, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) said Monday.

Posted by: CAC at January 24, 2011 09:12 PM (Gr1V1)

Thats why he had to go.

Posted by: Bobbe at January 24, 2011 09:20 PM (4owEK)

He was mentioned, the mentioner was severely beaten, stripped naked and shipped off to thailand to start their new career as a tranny hooker.

Posted by: CoolCzech

Rham could play the mobster in any mobster movie. 

I'm officially depressed.

Sigh.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:10 PM (GZitp)

The project has been licensed to Trans-Canada & Exxon Mobile.  

TransCanada and ExxonMobil share a common goal--an Alaska natural gas pipeline that is constructed with the full support of the State of Alaska, the U.S. and Canadian governments, and the major North Slope producers.

Experts agree that all interested parties will eventually need to be aligned in one project in order to complete such an enormous and complex undertaking. We believe the Alaska Pipeline project and its alignment with the State of Alaska under the AGIA process offers the best path forward for success.

On July 30, 2010, the Alaska Pipeline Project closed its initial open season and received multiple bids from potential shippers. The next step is for the project to assess and negotiate the issues and conditions that are incorporated within the bids.

Posted by: Richard Pryor at January 24, 2011 09:28 PM (FjubR)

Yeah but you dont have to drive drive

I'm officially depressed.

Sigh.

Don't worry, as in the end, there will be only chaos.

Whoever gets a prom date for the SOTU should have to have sex with whomever it is.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2011 09:22 PM (UwFY0)

*drooooools on lap*

Again, that's damning with faint praise. 

Fair enough, but I think part of the problem, at least with people here, is that ever candidate is terrible. Every single one has at least one flaw that disqualifies them. I don't see us getting a perfect candidate and I feel like no one here is really willing to compromise and its going to result in massive disappointment all around.

If I mention Romney, there isa section that hates him. Same with Palin, Gingrich, Giuliani, etc etc.

The only thing that I think I've seen everyone agree on is that Huckabee sucks. So in our primaries we should all just vote "not huckabee" and everything will take care of itself.

$3.17 in the burgh.

Is anyone else having problems with the message board

Whoever gets a prom date for the SOTU should have to have sex with whomever it is.

Posted by: dagny at January 24, 2011 09:22 PM

Look for Bawney to be playin musical chairs tomm night

$3.17 in the burgh.

Is anyone else having problems with the message board

$3.15-3.19 here in the Central PA sticks. 

This country has so much "White Guilt," you think Obama is going to be allowed to fail? Not a chance in hell!

I kinda thought many white guilters would rationalize that they voted for him once, and were now free to go back to being racists and voting for somebody else.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 24, 2011 07:35 PM (DLxD/)

I'm still catching up with the comments, but this is why we need a candidate who is not a white Christian male - because too many people are NOT over their guilt, and too many minorities will vote for ABW (anyone but whitey).

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:32 PM (GZitp)

Trans Canada has the backing of the state of alaska ($28 Billion cash reserve) The canadian government and Exon.

They can borrow the money. As for the economics, they are looking more and more favorable for them all the time.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:44 PM (GZitp)

You are ignoring some regulatory facts but regardless we are going to have to start using NG for transportation fuel and soon. When that happens the market will be there.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:32 PM (GZitp)

The producers (ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and BP), TransCanada and some surprise as yet unnamed shippers all know that they must converge at some point.   Parties involved expect to have an agreement hashed out by the end of 2011.

It isn't over and done with, as much as you would like it to be.

No they can't borrow the money, a project this large can only be done if BP, Exxon and Conaco do it together. Even BP and Conaco can't do it without Exxon.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 09:54 PM (GZitp)

And, as I said upthread they are working towards that agreement now.  Hope to have is hashed out by the end of the year.

Daniels - Ryan:  

By far and away the smartest ticket possible - These two would run circles around Obama/Biden.

I've NEVER seen either one of these two guys come off badly in any type of interview.  Plus, Daniels is the best governor in America.

Posted by: stickety at January 24, 2011 09:19 PM (FUDwf)

Thats my dream ticket too.

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 10:00 PM (GZitp)

Got a link to buttress your assertion?

Posted by: lowandslow, Packer fan at January 24, 2011 10:11 PM (GZitp)

No, it doesn't.  You said it failed.   You're pulling your arguments out of your ass.   6 months is nothing on a project like this.

The Alaska Pipeline Project will now begin assessing the details of the bids, including issues such as gas volumes, route preferences and the conditions attached to the bids by the shippers.  Conditioned bids are typical in all major open seasons and unavoidable in a project this large and complex.  The project will need time to evaluate the bids carefully and to negotiate solutions with the shippers.  It is likely that some conditions can only be resolved between shippers and governments. 

geez - who do you folks support - g-grinch, palin, romney,...?

knee jerks - get with the program and start supporting Ron Paul - he's all you got.

knee jerks - get with the program and start supporting Ron Paul - he's all you got.

Posted by: Ig at January 24, 2011 10:39 PM (5Cwv4)

how many babies has he eaten again?

knee jerks - get with the program and start supporting Ron Paul - he's all you got.

Posted by: Ig at January 24, 2011 10:39 PM (5Cwv4)

If he's all we've got, we just as well burn it to the ground.

Put a spotlight on people like Pawlenty, Demint, Huckabee or Palin and, true to form, they'll always perform like a trained seal, preening, barking, balancing a ball on their nose and clapping for themselves ......., while, behind the scenes and without any notoriety or fanfare, conscientious and seasoned professionals like Alabama's conservative Senator Jeff Sessions continue to diligently look out for the best interests of their constituents without seeking any recognition, but going to sleep every night with clear consciences, knowing that, head-on, they have met and fulfilled their responsibilities to the American people without any smoke, mirrors or bullshit. Too bad that the trained seals strutting, barking and clapping for themselves give magnificent politicians a bad name.  

#802: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there are sleazy and racist Democrats like Vic and Tobey and a few others (and their sock puppets) who come here daily to sow dissension among gullible Republicans by viciously attacking conscientious Republican politicians and by viciously trying to discredit informed, knowledgeable and conscientious Republicans here by accusing them of being trolls, when, in fact, it is the Vics and the Tobeys who are the sleazy, sneaky and cowardly, Democrat trolls and the real troublemakers here. You can always spot them, because, in their ignorance, they hate anyone here who is educated and properly informed on the issues, showing their inferiority and that they are losers and fools, too, whenever they express their resentment, envy and jealousy of graduates of Ivey League universities, presumably just because they were too lazy and too dumb to make the effort that it takes to get into a top ranked university. 

Well, its either that, or they are depraved, paranoid schizophrenics, whose mental and emotional instability are, I suspect, hereditary and genetic with at least two of them, one indication of which is that they don't realize that their sock puppets are as loony and as ignorant as they are.  

Ride, Pontiac, Ride!

(Cut to the Parisianne)

Ride, Pontiac, Ride...

Posted by: Call Center at January 25, 2011 03:03 AM (bZ4U3)

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Oh, shut it Call Center.  Were tired of your Pollyanna bullshit.

And Mitty will appear better?  Mitch?

Alright, maybe we should define 'better'.