1 Good news on both counts.

2 I'm sure St. Louis's liberals snickered the whole time. NYC Mayor Bloomberg will do a parade for an effing baseball team, but not for our troops.

3 Thank you, St. Louis. This lifts my American heart.

And thank you, military vets from all wars for your sacrifice.

P.S. I am the lady chasing you down in airports to thank you. We are so proud of you all.

4 A good friend of mine just left today to go back to Baghdad after a couple weeks R and R. God damn right they deserve a parade. It's the least we can do.

5 I marched in the last Veterans Day Parade here in NYC and I had a great time

6 Congrats St. Louis!

O/T: Occutards rioting in Oakland. FOX shows thousands of the leftists confronting the PD.

7 A good friend of mine just left today to go back to Baghdad after a couple weeks R and R. God damn right they deserve a parade. It's the least we can do. Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 28, 2012 06:45 PM (jucos) Bagdad? Embassy security?

8

SF Police cracking down right now on OWS.

Video linked on my twitter

http://tinyurl.com/6lnnc7g

9 http://tinyurl.com/6lnnc7g

10 I was talking to a friend of mine in CA the other day. She said Oakland had turned into a sewer. It is no longer considered safe to walk down the street in downtown Oakland even in broad daylight.

11 Bagdad? Embassy security? Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 06:46 PM (eCnLg) -------------------------------------------------------- He is pretty high up. I am sure it has to do with facility security. His last stint and then he is done. July.

12 So glad you posted about the St. Louis parade, Gabe, and kudos to St. Louis for doing the right thing. 

13 "The Ninth Circuit went the other way last year, holding that lying about military service is speech protected under the First Amendment. The Supreme Court will ultimately decide the issue later this year."

Why should military service be so special? So more 'equal' under the law? What if someone who went to a community college for 2 years said they had a B.S., as from a 4 year college? What if a 40 year old gal said she was 30? Or even 39? Should she be prosecuted too? What if a guy who made $50,000 a year said he made $60,000 a year? Should he be prosecuted? The list is almost endless.

14

It's about time we started to acknowledge what our Troops are sacrificing.

We hear a lot more about the useless occutards.

God Bless the Troops and America.

15 Prediction: nobody spit on them.

16

Very nice.

 

Don't get much good news anymore.

17 Why should military service be so special? So more 'equal' under the law? What if someone who went to a community college for 2 years said they had a B.S., as from a 4 year college? What if a 40 year old gal said she was 30? Or even 39? Should she be prosecuted too? What if a guy who made $50,000 a year said he made $60,000 a year? Should he be prosecuted? The list is almost endless. Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 06:53 PM (GZmsj) when those other peoples and categories start losing life and limb to defend this country, get back to me

18 God Bless our Troops.

19 I don't feel like the US will crumble if the law is upheld, but it is an abridgment of free speech.

20 Why should military service be so special? So more 'equal' under the law? What if someone who went to a community college for 2 years said they had a B.S., as from a 4 year college? What if a 40 year old gal said she was 30? Or even 39? Should she be prosecuted too? What if a guy who made $50,000 a year said he made $60,000 a year? Should he be prosecuted? The list is almost endless.

Posted by: FeralCat

 

They are committing fraud against the Federal Governemt, that's why it was decided against them (phony vets) in a Federal Court.  If you misrepresent yourself in employment with the government or try to commit fraud against the government, you too can be sued by the Federal Gov. in a Federal Court.

 

Extra prizes!!

21 I did get tears in my eyes reading this. But then again, it could just be PMS.

22 I don't feel like the US will crumble if the law is upheld, but it is an abridgment of free speech. Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 07:06 PM (dptRY) How is lying an abridgment of free speech? There are plenty of forms of lying that will get you thrown into prison, fined, or both?

23 Yay!!!!

24 >>>Why should military service be so special? Because, Fuck You. You and thems like you will never get it so just shut up and keeps lying about your age/income/edufications to your faggity peers at teh ghey ass hipster pub you're so fond off this month.

25 13   Why should military service be so special? So more 'equal' under the law? What if someone who went to a community college for 2 years said they had a B.S., as from a 4 year college? What if a 40 year old gal said she was 30? Or even 39? Should she be prosecuted too? What if a guy who made $50,000 a year said he made $60,000 a year? Should he be prosecuted? The list is almost endless.

I thought you had it there for a second. I thought you understood the problem.  Claiming military honors you did not earn is somewhat like someone claiming to have a four year degree from a prestigious college. They are claiming something they did not earn to get respect they don't deserve. In some cases, they are using it to get jobs, earn speaker's fees or gain votes.  Even if it's just a free beer at the bar, such behavior is despicable.

Now there's no way you'll ever be able to stop it.  There will always be someone claiming to be a Navy SEAL or an Army Ranger insisting that you must respect them because of it, even though they don't seem to know the first thing about being in the military.  I can live with that. What I can't stand it to see someone lying or mis-characterizing their service history to gain an unfair advantage. It cheapens what it means to be a military veteran and takes away resources from those it was intended.
   

26 Let me exercise free speech.Supreme Star Admiral Steevy reporting for duty!!

27

So... ten years of war, one parade?

 

What a fucking travesty.

 

 

THANK YOU, St. Louis, and THANK YOU, members of the armed services.

28

Oh!  And

100,000 Attend Nation's First 'Welcome Home' Parade for Iraq War Veterans... MFM Strangely Silent

 

FIFY

29 22 I don't feel like the US will crumble if the law is upheld, but it is an abridgment of free speech.
Posted by: GergS at January 28, 2012 07:06 PM (dptRY)

How is lying an abridgment of free speech? There are plenty of forms of lying that will get you thrown into prison, fined, or both?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 07:09 PM (eCnLg)

Well, I suppose it depends on under what circumstances you are lying. Lying for govt benefits? yeah. Lying to impress anti-American commies? It's a little different.

That said, it's not going to keep me up at night either way.

30

If we start jailing liars, who will be our politicians ?

31

I've mentioned this before but I was priveleged to attend a motorcade carrying a fallen soldier who was the cousin of a friend of mine. He was Army PFC Zachary T. Myers who was part of the 545th Military Police Company out of Ft. Richardson who was killed in Iraq, Sept. 8 2009 when they drove over an IED.

 

I'd never met him but according to my friend he was the nicest guy you'd ever meet.

 

The procession was very sad but what was really awesome was that it seemed like everyone in town turned out with flags and lined the streets. The procession was also escorted by state troopers, local police and dozens of bikers. It was very, very moving.

32 You know what I'd like to see?  A Stolen Integrity Act, which criminalizes lies by government officials.

33 Why should military service be so special?

Lying about being a Cop, Federal Agent, Doctor, EMS Tech, etc. all carry legal penalties. Why shouldn't lying about being in the armed forces?

34

Here's a novel thought :

Swear in all participants of political debates.

See what they say " under oath".

This could be fun, and there would be fewer

politicians AND debates.

35 29  Well, I suppose it depends on under what circumstances you are lying. Lying for govt benefits? yeah. Lying to impress anti-American commies? It's a little different.

That said, it's not going to keep me up at night either way.

My problem is the ones lying usually are anti-American commies lying to impress conservatives. 

36

"Why should military service be so special?"

 

I'm just a dumb civvy and even I know the answer to that.

37 From the link:

"In New York, for example, Mayor Michael Bloomberg recently said there would be no city parade for Iraq War veterans in the foreseeable future because of objections voiced by military officials."

Yeah, right. Nanny Bloomberg is probably quite happy to have been handed an excuse to save the tax dollars a parade would cost so he can spend them on the OWS crowd instead.

38 In what other circumstance, besides lying about military service, has any court ever found that lying was constitutionally protected speech?

39 37 Here's a novel thought :
Swear in all participants of political debates.
See what they say " under oath".
This could be fun, and there would be fewer
politicians AND debates.       Only for those politicians who would respect the law, have some honor, or would be held accountable by the press.

40 "when those other peoples and categories start losing life and limb to defend this country, get back to me

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 07:02 PM (eCnLg)"

Even never minding that the majority lose neither life nor limb, and even never minding that the Iraq occupation saw the ethnic cleansing of 2/3 of it's Christian population and even never minding Iraq becoming an ally of Iran, it still violates the principle of equality before the law.

41 Try telling a lie to the FBI.

42 OT in answer to the sidebar:count immigrants as 1/3 of person..

43

What if someone who went to a community college for 2 years said they had a B.S., as from a 4 year college? What if a 40 year old gal said she was 30? Or even 39? Should she be prosecuted too? What if a guy who made $50,000 a year said he made $60,000 a year?

Can you give me even one instance where any of the examples given were held by a court to be constitutionally protected free speech? If not then I would ask, indeed, why should military service be any different? 

44

Oops. Guess I walked into a legal argument while being ignorant. Again.

45 Even never minding that the majority lose neither life nor limb, and even never minding that the Iraq occupation saw the ethnic cleansing of 2/3 of it's Christian population and even never minding Iraq becoming an ally of Iran, it still violates the principle of equality before the law. Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 07:40 PM (NmAt0) How big a jack ass are you? You said so many stupid things in so few sentences, you have left me speechless.

46 Watching the 2006 Omen,seems that apes ae smart enough to know Damien is evil and people are not.

47 "Lying about being a Cop, Federal Agent, Doctor, EMS Tech, etc. all carry legal penalties. Why shouldn't lying about being in the armed forces?"

I really doubt that anyone would be convicted, or even prosecuted,  for saying in a bar in NYC that they were a cop in  Spokane,,Washington. Now if they tried to arrest someone, that would be different. Or someone saying he/she was a doctor, but didn't try to prescribe anything or operate on anyone. Military officers take an oath to protect and defend the United States Constitution, The U.S. Constitution does not provide for a class system.

48 The Stolen Valor Act criminalizes lies about military honors even if nobody is injured.
______________

Similar to any person who claims unearned status as an experienced professional in any line of work.  The entire population of educated competent workers in that profession are harmed.

49 I am the very model of the modern major general.

In the Ninth Circuit, anyway.

50

"I really doubt that anyone would be convicted, or even prosecuted, for saying in a bar in NYC that they were a cop in Spokane,,Washington. Now if they tried to arrest someone, that would be different. Or someone saying he/she was a doctor, but didn't try to prescribe anything or operate on anyone."

 

Again, that's not the point. Have any of those things ever been held by any court to be constitutionally protected free speech. And if not, why did the Ninth Circuit choose to treat lying about military service differently than lying about other things?

51 "How big a jack ass are you? You said so many stupid things in so few sentences, you have left me speechless.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 07:45 PM (eCnLg)"

Remaining speechless suits you best.

52 If I recall correctly, the genesis of the Stolen Valor Act was not people claiming military service, but rather, people claiming medals to which they were not entitled - Silver Star, Navy Cross, Medal of Honor, etc.  Claiming to be a vet when you're not is bad enough, but those idiots are easy enough to spot.  Those claiming an award for valor, unearned, should be drawn and quartered. 

53 I am a Doctor, a Lawyer and an Indian Chief. I am also Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee, and King George  ... and the Queen of Spain. Report me to Big Sis at DHS.

54 Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 07:45 PM (eCnLg)" Remaining speechless suits you best. Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 07:54 PM (GZmsj) Listening to assholes like you reminds me of one reason I did join the Military. To get away from people like you

55 In what other circumstance, besides lying about military service, has any court ever found that lying was constitutionally protected speech?

No law that I know of criminalizes lies as lies.  Lies give rise to criminal and/or civil liability when they're used to defraud.  That means the lie has to have been spoken with the intention to cause detrimental reliance by someone else.  Even perjury has to be a lie about a material fact; it does harm because it is a lie told under oath with an intent to deceive a factfinder (jury, judge, government investigator, etc.) to obtain a better outcome.

Therefore, I don't see lying about one's service in Vietnam as the basis for a fraud prosecution.  The liar isn't trying to make any one rely on his false statement to his/her detriment.  As offensive as lying about one's service record is, I would argue that it is protected by the First Amendment.

56 If I recall correctly, the genesis of the Stolen Valor Act was not people claiming military service, but rather, people claiming medals to which they were not entitled - Silver Star, Navy Cross, Medal of Honor, etc. Claiming to be a vet when you're not is bad enough, but those idiots are easy enough to spot. Those claiming an award for valor, unearned, should be drawn and quartered. Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 28, 2012 07:56 PM (mF58b) I think it's both.

57

Maybe a bit of Hub's speech from Secondhand Lions will help explain why the Stolen Valor Act is so important for being upheld:

 

Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love... true love never dies. You remember that, boy. You remember that. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You see, a man should believe in those things, because those are the things worth believing in.

 

Honor, Courage, Virtue do mean everything and are worth protecting against those who have none.

58

>>

Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 07:58 PM (GZmsj) .

.

You missed the one about being a chickenshit.

59 I think several people here should be awarded the Keyboard Ranger Metal with extra clusters for extra Keyboard Rangering.

60 "If not then I would ask, indeed, why should military service be any different?"

Representing yourself as military implies you have some level of security clearance, going to college (or not) doesn't.

61 "Listening to assholes like you reminds me of one reason I did join the Military. To get away from people like you

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 07:59 PM (eCnLg)"

Well then I must say your sense of direction is very poor ... ... very poor indeed. I was in the military, you idiot.

62

"I think several people here should be awarded the Keyboard Ranger Metal with extra clusters for extra Keyboard Rangering."

 

Are you nominating yourself?

63 Well then I must say your sense of direction is very poor ... ... very poor indeed. I was in the military, you idiot. Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 08:04 PM (vfiok) So is Bradley Manning.

64 Remaining speechless suits you best.
Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 07:54 PM



I would recommend you follow suit.

65 "Therefore, I don't see lying about one's service in Vietnam as the basis for a fraud prosecution. The liar isn't trying to make any one rely on his false statement to his/her detriment. As offensive as lying about one's service record is, I would argue that it is protected by the First Amendment.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 28, 2012 08:00 PM (yQwq5)"

Finally someone here who understands protect and defend the United States Constitution.

66 It could be, Nevergiveup.  My memory is not what it used to be.

Oh, and Feral Cat, it's not about big sis.  It's about the men and women who have earned the right to wear the uniform and also those brave souls who have earned high decoration.  Calling oneself a Marine when one is not may be protected speech.  Doing it in my presence will result in lost teeth.

67 Just heard from our son this evening.  Thought he was already at Camp Leatherneck.  He's just spent the past 15 hours at an airport in Kurdistan, where he had a horse meat sandwich.  This, after we saw "Warhorse" and he wondered how in the hell anyone could eat the flesh of such brave and useful animals.

Said it's freezing there. 

Anyhow, I'm glad the Iraq vets are getting some token of appreciation of their service and sacrifice.  A shame the SCOAMF wouldn't allow the use of the word "victory" for their achievements.  Douchebag.

Looking forward to (and praying for) the day my son and his brothers and sisters in arms can march in an Afghanistan victory parade.  And hopefully, whoever the CiC is will allow them to declare their service in A-stan a "victory."

68
So is Bradley Manning.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2012 08:06 PM (eCnLg)"

Was he an 1193?

69 "I would recommend you follow suit.

Posted by: mama winger at January 28, 2012 08:07 PM (P6QsQ)"

I have given you recommendation a moment of consideration. Alas, a moment was all I could spare.

70 Who's the trolltard?  A friend of Reporting for Duty Lurch Kerry?

71 It makes me sad that this sort of thread sometimes devolves into a shit-flinging contest.

72 chemjeff, thanks. 

73 Why should military service be so special?


Because, without it, people like you wouldn't get to post your inane ramblings.

Yeah, you're welcome.

74 Tami for the win.

75 Tami FTW - ditto

76 Finally someone here who understands protect and defend the United States Constitution.

Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 08:07 PM (vfiok)

 

By your standards lying to the FBI or under oath would be constitutional then and laws against it should be voided. There is nothing in the constitution that says you cant lie to the FBI or under oath.  It doesn't mention lying.

 

If you throw out one law against lying you have to throw out all of them.

77 I was in the military and I don't give a flying rat's arse if someone says he was in WWI and WWII and Vietnam and Iraq (Iran's new ally) and Afcrapistan and won 26 medals of honor and a partridge in a pear tree. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

78

When lies are outlawed only congressman will have them.

I have 3 years of college. So it's OK for me to lie about graduating with honors at Berzerkley with a PhD in global warming in order to get a 6-figure job at one of O'Barkeys Federal-subsidized green energy plants? Brilliant!

79 Just heard from our son this evening. Thought he was already at Camp Leatherneck. He's just spent the past 15 hours at an airport in Kurdistan, where he had a horse meat sandwich. This, after we saw "Warhorse" and he wondered how in the hell anyone could eat the flesh of such brave and useful animals.



Oh Jane...I'm so glad you heard from him!!!  Yay!

He's in my prayers.

80

Chemjeff to Jane D'Oh said it firstest and bestest.

Godspeed on a safe return.

81

Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 08:17 PM (fRSUC)

 

The hash is ever changing, careful folks.

82 It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 08:17 PM (fRSUC)

 

Then you, sir, know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

83 Is there a debate tonight?  And if so, who's moderating it?

84 Try telling a lie to the FBI.


But you can lie to Congress as long as you claim you didn't read any of the e-mails.

85 Haven't posted here in like 8 months.  But this topic.... Yes.  Well done, heroes.  You have my respect.  Words won't do it but what you've done will not be lost.

86 Tami, you could watch the UFC on Fox.  Its like a debate in that I don't really care who wins, except its more exciting.

87 @93: not that I kow of...

88 Your prayers were answered chemjeff....appears I was wrong.

Carry on.....

89 Know of, that is

90 Please don't feed the troll- he is atrocious at his role. It makes other trolls look good.

91

Is there a debate tonight? And if so, who's moderating it?

 

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2012 08:20 PM (X6akg)

 

Yes, on HGTV. Mike Holmes is going to ask those pussies if they know how to hang drywall and whether or not they've wired an outlet.

92 He posts on Tepid Air.

93 Tami, you could watch the UFC on Fox. Its like a debate in that I don't really care who wins, except its more exciting.

Posted by: buzzion at January 28, 2012 08:22 PM (GULKT)

They should use that format in the primary debates.  Except they have to do it in suits.  I don't want to see RP or Newt in boxing shorts.  Well, any of them actually.

94 Thanks Tami, Jogging Shrimp and everyone.

I feel secure in knowing the kid has had the best training on this earth for what he's doing.

And any douchebag who lies about service real or imagined is in my mind the same as some jackass who fled to Canada to avoid the draft.

I'd call the bastard a pussy, but my two house cats would be pissed, and rightfully so.

95 So glad to hear there was a great turn-out.  I was worried the weather might be a problem and then all the jerks could say that a low attendance "proved" no one cared.

96 robtr see #58 - lying under oath to a government investigator who presumably has a valid reason to be conducting the investigation is different than lying to your buddy about the number of women you've slept with

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 08:21 PM (7FadD)

 

And that relates to the first amendment how?  It's a law chemjeff. Just like stolen valor is a law. The fact that you may beleive the law against lying to the feds is ok and stolen valor is not has nothing to do with the first amendment.

 

In other words you can't say I like that law so it doesn't fall under the first amendment but I don't like this other law so I will claim first amendment when they are both about your right to tell the truth or not. I just don't see the difference.

97 What a night without a debate. Oh thank God. I am soooo sick of politics. Can we please have some long lost boobie talk? Again, welcome back Jane D'oh.

98 Cain is endorsing Newt. Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 28, 2012 08:29 PM (qjUnn) To little to late. At this point Cain has little support or influence

99 Jeebus Tami.  I can't believe you have the fortitude to sit through another debate.  I'd rather chew a roll of aluminum foil.

Anyone catch the Occupy 'tards in Oakland tonight?  They're really ramping shit up.

Barky's peeps.  Awesome.

100 In other words you can't say I like that law so it doesn't fall under the first amendment but I don't like this other law so I will claim first amendment when they are both about your right to tell the truth or not. I just don't see the difference.


Congratulations, you understand the Constitution better than Barack Obama.  You're now qualified to lecture at Harvard Law.

101 Jeebus Tami. I can't believe you have the fortitude to sit through another debate. I'd rather chew a roll of aluminum foil.


Only for the Live Blog.  Funniest sh*t on the interwebs. 

102 Tami, true dat.

103

Prayers, Jane. I hope your warrior comes home safe.

104

Can we please have some long lost boobie talk?

 

Got my haircut this afternoon and got an earful of boob.  Thrill of the week!

105 Watching "Full Metal Jacket" on Encore. To bad it wasn't shot at Parris Island

106 109 Cain is endorsing Newt. Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 28, 2012 08:29 PM You mean Cain is endorsing Newt's taste in women?

107

"Cain is endorsing Newt.

 

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at January 28, 2012 08:29 PM (qjUnn)"

 

Does that mean he doesn't endorse the American People anymore?

108 "Earful of boob." That's just too kinky.

109 #60  Count Monet, "Secondhand Lions" is one of the few movies I own.  I love that movie,  and every moron should watch it.

110
   I wore the uniform with PRIDE, yet when I see these young men and women serving today, I feel humbled.

   To see them honored like this brings that pride swelling back.

   And I'd add a HUGE thank you to those who wait behind--your sacrifice is all too often ignored or downplayed.

   So from this vet--thank you, past and present.

111

Cain is endorsing Newt.

 

Gonna have to change my resume now.

112 115 Can we please have some long lost boobie talk? AMEN. All the morning threads have turned *serious news*, and most evening threads are Newt vs Sanity... Err, I mean, Mitt. I ask the Moron Horde: what has become of our fascination with big, bouncing sweaty ( *Y * ) ???

113 So what's the deal with Bloomberg, NYC Mayor for Life not wanting an Iraq vet parade in Gotham City?

I heard someone on Fox say it would be insensitive to the troops still fighting in Shitcanistan. 

I can't imagine the troops would have a problem with the men and women who have been through hell and back in Iraq to have a victory lap.  Even if SCOAMF won't let them use the word "victory."

114

OaklandSpencer is back on the job and in the thick of things.

 

OakFoSho.com

115 I heard someone on Fox say it would be insensitive to the troops still fighting in Shitcanistan. I can't imagine the troops would have a problem with the men and women who have been through hell and back in Iraq to have a victory lap. Even if SCOAMF won't let them use the word "victory." Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 28, 2012 08:38 PM (UOM4 He is claiming the Military asked him not to do it since we are still fighting in Afganistan.

116 Saw the Janet Evanovich, Stephanie Plum movie today.  Meh....big disappointment considering how long it took them to get this movie off the group.

I've read all of them except the most recent one.  The books are way better than the movie.

My recommendation is to save your money.

117 A fact little known to non-Asian boobie aficionados is that Asian girls' nips are often so prominent, the girls can only dim their highbeams with bandaids...

118  "Secondhand Lions" is one of the few movies I own. I love that movie, and every moron should watch it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 28, 2012 08:35 PM (GoIUi)

 

Indeed.

119 "It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.
Posted by: FeralCat at January 28, 2012 08:17 PM (fRSUC)

Then you, sir, know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

Thomas Jefferson said that. The subject was different, but the point is the same.

120 A fact little known to non-Asian boobie aficionados is that Asian girls' nips are often so prominent, the girls can only dim their highbeams with bandaids... Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 08:41 PM (niZvt) And you know this how? Hum? I wonder if that is why they keep changing the material on the Navy PT shirt?

121 nevergiveup, like he's listened to a damned thing the military has suggested since he's been in office.

There's a funny vid on YouTube of Motor T Marines in Afghanistan singing the Barbie song.  The (very cute) male Marine in the vid was one of our son's Motor T instructors at Fort "Lost in the Woods" MO. 

Makes me feel good to see an occasional video of troops living in a hell hole having a few minutes of fun.

122 @133: I married a pair! It can be fun, but if I could have a $ for each time I got poked in the eye...

123 >>>A fact little known to non-Asian boobie aficionados is that Asian girls' nips are often so prominent, the girls can only dim their highbeams with bandaids...

FWIW, what CoolCzech says here is 100% true.  And I found out the fun way in college.

124 I must be half Asian, at least until I finished breast-feeding the kid.

Yikes.

125 So, hypothesis confirmed.  Was beginning to notice this statistical anomaly in my "research" and was eventully going to ask the distributed moron reference banks if there was anything to it.

126

137 >>>A fact little known to non-Asian boobie aficionados is that Asian girls'
nips are often so prominent, the girls can only dim their highbeams
with bandaids...

People like non-Asian boobs?  Do they know non-Asian boobs are attached to non-Asians?

127 I must be half Asian, at least until I finished breast-feeding the kid.

Yikes.

Funny, but sometimes I feel like I'm turning Japanese.

I really think so.

128 "They're really ramping shit up."

They're probing limits and heading towards overt violence at some point.  Pretty typical communist game plan.

129 The Stolen Valor Act is actually too narrow. It only punishes those who falsely state that they received an award. It should also apply to those, like John Kerry, who (1) accept awards that they don't deserve, and (2) falsely implied that they deserved the awards they accepted.

130 God bless those folks in St. Louis sponsoring and attending the parade!  Imagine most of the honorees were a bit uncomfortable with the recognition as they tend to be, as a group, quite humble. 

131 My gratitude to these and all vets remains a constant.
And also to the 'ettes who lent us those who were once their children but are now our sentinels,  I am also grateful.

132 Also, this might explain the unexpected, but not wholly unwelcome, incidental contact with the very petite lady haircutter.

133 All us old ones here again. (im not really that old)

134 The Purple Hearts being handed out for dubious/trivial injuries is nothing new.  Bill Mauldin (who's catroons appeared in Stars and Stripes during WWII) did a Willie and Joe cartoon about it. 

135 I don't think lying to the cops should be legal. If lying to the cops were protected speech, then it would be nearly impossible to render justice. The rule of law would be meaningless.


But if lies weren't protected speech, then anytime some guy lied about how many women he slept with, that would be a crime. I don't think that's appropriate either.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 28, 2012 08:45 PM (7FadD)

 

You are putting different weight on different acts of lying. The constitution doesn't do that, it says we have freedom of expression. Not that we have freedom of expression unless we are being interrogated by the federal government. There are several instances where we as a society decided you have freedom of expression unless you are doing one of these things. Stolen Valor is one of those instances.

136 (1) accept awards that they don't deserve, and (2) falsely implied that they deserved the awards they accepted. Posted by: Average Joe at January 28, 2012 08:52 PM (gshdd) After seeing the Awards process, at least Inconus, that would apply to half the Awards I have to write up.

137 How boring am I?  I just checked local news sites to see what's going on downtown (Indianapolis) since the Super Bowl stuff opened yesterday.

Am I going down there?  No.

138 Im so skeered. The commies, the socialists, the terrorists are going to get me. But why am I so skeered, since I am going to a better place, Heaven? The irony...

139 Seriously, though, penalizing people for simply claiming to have received an award they didn't is pure fascism, unless it's part of a fraudulent scheme to solicit funds, obtain employment, or some other real benefit.

140 Jane d'Oh,  Thanks for your son's service.  I admire those who serve so much.  Once,  a long time ago,  I was an Air Force wife,  so I understand the worry.

141

Ha.  Oakland PD has surrounded a group of OWSer and tear gassed them.  They are yelling "let us out" and "this is a war crime"

 

Ha.  pussies.

142 @152: a woman that slept with 1,000 men? Piker!

143 Where are you guys getting OWS Oakland updates?

144 "unless it's part of a fraudulent scheme to solicit funds, obtain employment, or some other real benefit."

As a practical matter, that's when it would be enforced.  If some jackass is shooting of his mouth in a bar and someone realized he's full of shit, a beatdown is what he's gonna get, not a prosecution.

145

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 28, 2012 08:59 PM (4q5tP)

Waste of perfectly good tear gas.  They should have just been soaked with soap-saturated water. 

146 you're using the word irony in an incorrect fashion you stupid fuck

147 Seriously, though, penalizing people for simply claiming to have received an award they didn't is pure fascism, unless it's part of a fraudulent scheme to solicit funds, obtain employment, or some other real benefit.

Posted by: Average Joe at January 28, 2012 08:59 PM (gshdd)

 

Yeah, like the deference and respect and regard and esteem of fellow citizens is not a "real benefit."

148 Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance) is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which

Triple stupid fuck ...

149 How about a Stolen Patriotism Act, aimed squarely at Socialist Internationalists that get upset if you "question their patriotism" for the obvious reason they hate America?

150 OakFoSho.com is OaklandSpencer's live feed.

151 Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance) is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which ...

152 Here's one of our genius commie vanguard of the proletariat types: "Police kept a low profile during the rally, as speakers exhorted the crowd to fight economic inequality. The first speaker, Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, took perhaps the most pointed stance, urging the crowd to fight the rich. "Passionate, organized hatred is the element missing in all that we do to try to change the world," said Ortiz, a retired professor from Cal State East Bay. "Now is the time to spread hate, hatred for the rich." Police kept a low profile during the rally, as speakers exhorted the crowd to fight economic inequality. The first speaker, Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, took perhaps the most pointed stance, urging the crowd to fight the rich. "Passionate, organized hatred is the element missing in all that we do to try to change the world," said Ortiz, a retired professor from Cal State East Bay. "Now is the time to spread hate, hatred for the rich."

153 "unless it's part of a fraudulent scheme to solicit funds, obtain employment, or some other real benefit."

As a practical matter, that's when it would be enforced. If some jackass is shooting of his mouth in a bar and someone realized he's full of shit, a beatdown is what he's gonna get, not a prosecution.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 28, 2012 09:02 PM (cUKDF)

 

There are already laws against that. It's called fraud.  Stolen valor is a vanity law, I served and I am not sure how I feel about it. I am usually a less laws the better type person and there are probably better uses for the resources it takes to procecute these dirtbags. Claiming first amendment protection is a farce though. We have consistantly passed laws against lying.

154 157 Jane d'Oh, Thanks for your son's service. I admire those who serve so much. Once, a long time ago, I was an Air Force wife, so I understand the worry.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 28, 2012 08:59 PM (GoIUi)

Thanks.  I was an Air Force daughter, and granddaughter of a recipient of the Croix de Guerre.  Our family's service in this country goes back to the Revolution.

155 160 Where are you guys getting OWS Oakland updates?

Posted by: Truman North at January 28, 2012 09:01 PM (I2L

Fox has been showing live feed of the hippy douchetards this evening.

Here's hoping the damned format doesn't totally fair on this site.

156 "Posted by: the dude in the jag at January 28, 2012 09:07 PM (RmlCF)"

The rich, do not need you to help them. Stupido.

157 "Oakland PD has surrounded a group of OWSer and tear gassed them."

The Oakland cops fucked up - if they put this on PPV they'd cover their whole budget for the year in one night.

158 A government-run Saudi Arabian newspaper reports that for the first time in the conservative Muslim country, women will be allowed to attend soccer matches in one of the country's stadiums. Al-Sharq newspaper on Saturday quoted unnamed officials as saying that women will be able to watch the matches in a new facility that will be completed in 2014 in the western port city of Jeddah. The officials say that the new stadium will include a family section with private cabins and balconies for women who wish to attend the games Boy those wild and crazy Saudis?

159 Where did the teabagging tards go?

160 so nice she had to say it twice!! you don't get commie gold like that every day jerry!

161 you mean tards who don't know the definition of irony?

162 Supremes will shoot it down.

It's a bad law with good intentions. Everyone agrees that claiming medals or service you didn't earn is despicable . . . but unfortunately being despicable isn't -- and shouldn't -- be against the law.

Now if people misrepresent themselves as veterans, or wear unearned medals, in order to defraud, I'd be perfectly happy with stiffer penalties than other kinds of fraud.

But just being a douchebag who claims to be a Marine Green Beret who won the Blue Max for his service in Iran -- mock him, kick his ass, but don't put him in jail.

163 Boy those wild and crazy Saudis?

It's a step in the right direction...

164 "Stolen valor is a vanity law"

Absolutely.  If there were less than a half dozen prosecutions over the next 50 years I wouldn't be surprised at all.

165 "Posted by: the dude in the jag at January 28, 2012 09:17 PM (RmlCF)"

jagoff, this site is fkd up and running on fumes.

166 The Saudis recently gave women the right to vote and run for office in some local elections too.  Change is slow in inflexible societies.  The king very well understands where he needs to go, but he also knows it can't be done quickly without huge social turmoil.

167 "179 you mean tards who don't know the definition of irony?"

Stupid fk:

Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance) is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which ...

Feigned ignorance as compared to true ignorance.

168 and you're here because...

169 the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend. try to keep up.

170
  Maybe a better solution would be public shaming.  Done in the most humiliating manner possible.

   Right after they let me have five minutes with the asshole.

171 you wouldn't make it past the receptionist, let alone my secretary, if you were actually looking for work.

172 Stupid fk, I was dead on

173 I ask the Moron Horde: what has become of our fascination with big, bouncing sweaty ( *Y * ) ???

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2012 08:38 PM (niZvt)

I'm still fairly fascinated...

As far as the Stolen Valor act, I think I would rather live in a country where it is legal to be a douche. That way we can always pick them out of a crowd.

174 I would rather live in a country that was not so obsessed with war. I can live anywhere in the world. Can the average con?

175 The average con can only live in their limited neck of the woods.

176 @ 191

 
   Yesterday you mention range time--got an after action report?

177 "Oh sure you can."

And if it was really true? How can we make it interesting?

178 Feral Pussy post a DD214 or fuck off with your "Iwas in the Military" bullshit. 

179 Herman Cain endorsed Newt Gingrich per newsmax, abc news and drudge.

180 The concept behind "Stolen Valor" is alien to about 90% of people, including 90% of those who read this smart military blog.

THAT can be overcome, so that the 90% can understand, and would only take about only three years of one's undivided attention, 24-7.

Most judges understand their three years to a JD, but head fully up ass until they can see the light out their own ears when it comes to this.

181 The bad news? Lying about military service may be protected speech. The good news? Navy Cross winners like me still pull plenty of fine tail for our 357 confirmed sniper kills "in the shit".

182

Glad they did this. Cool.

.

Bless them all, wherever they are. They're heroes in my opinion. All of them, but especially the ones who've seen the heavy action. Hope they all stay safe and come home to the people who love them.

183

Put me on the list of vets that don't really give a shit about Stolen Valor. We've got enough laws already. If fraud is committed there's already laws against that. My only beef are all the douchebags claiming to be vets just so they can do crap to make vets look bad. God knows the media will run with it until they find out otherwise, then it goes straight down the memory hole. I bet there's still dickweeds out there that think the Giffords shooter was a vet since they were claiming it in the first few hours after it happened.

On the other hand I'm getting old and starting to care less and less about stupid shit. My son in Afghanistan might feel differently about it. He's still got that young man rage going. I feel sorry for the first dumbass that tries impressing him in a bar with a bs story.

184 200 Most judges understand their three years to a JD, but head fully up ass until they can see the light out their own ears when it comes to this. Thankfully not all. I know one (albeit now retired) that flew B-17's in Europe and another (still active) who was infantry in Vietnam.

185 Those claiming an award for valor, unearned, should be drawn and quartered.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 28, 2012 07:56 PM (mF58b)

May we start with "Vietnam Veteran" Senator Tom Harkin?  Please?