August 15, 2012
— Ace Now, I'm sure he can find some helpful judges who would order the ballots changed in some states... but I can see a lot of judges, in a lot of states, telling them "You had three and a half years to get this sorted out, champ."
So, in practical terms, he's got three weeks and a day.
"As a sitting president and vice president, Obama and Biden are both considered the Democrats' presumptive nominees and will not be the official nominees until after Charlotte," a lawyer familiar with the party nominating process tells me. "Each party has to file paperwork with each state once the candidates become official nominees. So it's still quite possible for Obama to drop Biden and replace him with someone else and pay no consequences with listing on ballots."
Tick-tick-tick-tick-tick...
What do you guys think? Would it make a difference?
Who could the Democrats bring in to help the ticket? I can only think of Hillary Clinton and Andrew Cuomo.
I wish I could think of a reason that both would decline. People claim that Hillary isn't interested in joining Obama's failing bid for re-election. Well, serving as VP for four years is better than serving for eight. And of course if she somehow managed to help Obama win, she'd be the automatic nominee in 2016.
Now, people say "But she'd be that anyway..." But no, no she wouldn't be, not if Andrew Cuomo took the deal, and helped Obama win. Then he becomes the automatic nominee for 2016.
So, actually, both have an incentive to take the deal, if only to position themselves against the other.
I wish I didn't see it that way, but I do.
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Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at August 15, 2012 05:15 PM (MrM2k)
Posted by: Minuteman at August 15, 2012 05:16 PM (qs9G3)
At this point it might be better for her to say with regret she has to stay on as Secretary of State. That foreign affairs are at too critical a junction, Syria and such, to risk State being leaderless right now.
When Obama is as toasty as those corn stalks he posed before in Iowa after his defeat to Romney. Then Hillary and Bill can start rebuilding the Democrat label for her run in 2016.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 05:16 PM (V2inB)
I don't see either one of them hitching their wagon to the Obama 'Star'...
Theres an economic train wreck waiting for whoever is President next term... and Obama will make it worse, not better.... so would YOU want to go down in history as the VP of the guy who Destroyed American Economic and Military Power for a Generation?
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 15, 2012 05:16 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 05:17 PM (ArCUN)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at August 15, 2012 05:33 PM (9HhTH)
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 05:33 PM (5H6zj)
If Obama wins, his second term will look like Bush's second term. It would effectively poison the VP.
Imagine if Cheney had stepped down in 2004 and McCain had become VP in 2004. Does anyone think that would have given him a better chance in 2008?
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2012 05:34 PM (XDHBy)
Bark's subconcious cannot bear to not have an excuse if he goes down...
which is part of why he chose Plugz in the first place.
Bark likes white goofballs around as comic relief....
Hillary would have him back to doing softy gay porn like in his 20s....
"nerves" not "laughs"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 05:34 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 05:34 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: El Kabong at August 15, 2012 05:35 PM (GXFWC)
Posted by: eman at August 15, 2012 05:35 PM (u3Rkr)
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 05:35 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: xkaydet65 at August 15, 2012 05:35 PM (hnsU/)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (5H6zj)
Hillary can always claim she has to wash her hair. Everyone would believe it.
Posted by: pep at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Alex at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (oL8vk)
Posted by: Anony at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (qiXMt)
Posted by: Harry at August 15, 2012 05:36 PM (+BEaq)
Correct and if we lack the will to show how the structural basis for the wreck was Obarka's out of control EO spending and flagrant bad bookkeeping through prosecutions....we're screwed.
We have to be willing to throw the regulatory holy men out of the EPA DOE and Interior.....
send 'em to guam with a notebook, coin, and pencil but get 'em the hell out of the way of progress.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (LRFds)
Procedure?
Precedent?
The Dems know of no such thing.
They will replace him whenever they want.
I remember when the Dems parachuted Lautenberg into NJ to replace Torrecelli.
There were rules against that, didn't matter. NJ Supreme Court Said and now you will blow me.
And even if the GOP takes them to the Supremes, with John Roberts now Obamas best friend, they will say, Democracy, Democracy and allow it to stand.
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (DWgdc)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (QK3qp)
Posted by: Inquiring mind at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (qRvXu)
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (XDHBy)
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (2d71t)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:37 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke (rhymes with duck) at August 15, 2012 05:38 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: chique d'afrique on the phone at August 15, 2012 05:38 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Golan Globus at August 15, 2012 05:39 PM (XPkdL)
Posted by: Soona at August 15, 2012 05:39 PM (TRrzG)
Posted by: Dave S. at August 15, 2012 05:40 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Alex at August 15, 2012 05:40 PM (oL8vk)
2008 Hope and change
2012 Dope and chains
Posted by: pep at August 15, 2012 05:40 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke (rhymes with duck) at August 15, 2012 05:40 PM (p4U6S)
Posted by: toby928© at August 15, 2012 05:41 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: eman at August 15, 2012 05:41 PM (u3Rkr)
So Cuomo would be the better choice, a lesser "known," to the Left statist ticket. The only impediment? Obama does not - I repeat does not - want to move to the center even if it would increase his chances for victory. Obama must pander to his base as he is losing the middle and I just don't see anyone buying such a late-term move from Team Obama. That dog just don't hunt.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 15, 2012 05:42 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: soothsayer at August 15, 2012 05:42 PM (052zE)
Obama's already locked up demented liberals ready to die for their failed secular religion. How does bringing another priest on board help him?
New Yorkers aren't popular -- distrusted, even despised -- outside of the New York/east coast enclaves that are already deep blue. Somewhere, once uber-popular Mayor and 9/11 political icon Rudy Giuliani might is nodding his head in agreement. Putting a Cuomo on the ticket shaves a few ticks off of the rustbelt states that he's already in danger of losing anyway.
And Hillary? She's too old and too ugly. She'll look like a bloated gaseous corpse in another four years, and no one has ever been elected American President on a platform of being a bloated gaseous corpse (h/t Politifact).
Posted by: VJay at August 15, 2012 05:42 PM (q5NFp)
You got that right.
He just executive ordered up millions of votes for himself, poof Illegal is now legal and oh by the way here's a voter registration card, oh it's in English, well I'll fill it out for you. Got you covered, make sure you vote in November, you got a ride?
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 15, 2012 05:42 PM (DWgdc)
I think its the Democrats who have the duck and football this time.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 05:43 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 15, 2012 05:43 PM (UljOc)
On my knees begging, Please. OK scratch that knees part.
Posted by: sTevo at August 15, 2012 05:43 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Bob Torricelli at August 15, 2012 05:43 PM (yJYwC)
Posted by: El Kabong at August 15, 2012 05:44 PM (GXFWC)
The Germans, on the other hand, had President Hindenburg.
Posted by: pep at August 15, 2012 05:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: no good deed at August 15, 2012 05:44 PM (mjR67)
Sure, he brings nothing to the table, at all. But, he's not to blame, either. So, replacing him doesn't shed any baggage for Obama. Which means that whoever replaces him has to bring something important to the table.
Cuomo brings competence or whatever, but the VP is not in charge, so it doesn't matter much. The only people who know or care are liberal policy wonks who will vote for Obama anyhow.
But Hillary brings the identity politics women vote. I kid you not; there are a ton of dippy low-information liberal-leaning women voters who find her "inspirational".
Only Hillary makes sense, in my opinion.
Well, her or John McCain. McCain would probably guarantee an Obama re-election, but I'm quite sure this will never ever happen.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 05:45 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: MountainTurtle at August 15, 2012 05:45 PM (0k/P/)
If he picks Patrick, we can pretty much start shooting off champagne bottles now. Cadillac Duval is every bit as much a corrupt, lawless thug as Obama, but he's even less competent at obfuscating it.
If Obama's plan is to reduce his white working class support to 0.007% but bump his Black Panther support from 99% to 99.7%, he's as crafty a wizard as I've always suspected.
Posted by: VJay at August 15, 2012 05:45 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 15, 2012 05:46 PM (2pG7H)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:46 PM (6o4Fb)
Hillary is a no go. As before, there's no way he'd let Hillary any closer to the presidency, and she's reeking of I-don't-give-a-sh*t lately (the disheveled appearance, the partying). Obama has to pick someone who would excite one of his key constituencies, so a Latino or someone who is openly gay (bonus if they've been in the military), etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 15, 2012 05:46 PM (Gs9j9)
Posted by: Andrew S. at August 15, 2012 05:47 PM (9L8gm)
Posted by: Justamom at August 15, 2012 05:47 PM (Sptt8)
Hillary, OTOH, has all the incentive in the world to do it. And if she did, Barry had better hire a food-taster.
Posted by: Andy at August 15, 2012 05:48 PM (OZPoa)
Posted by: Not an Artist at August 15, 2012 05:48 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 15, 2012 05:48 PM (OIuTH)
Unnamed sources that CNN have contacted inside the White House speak of a medical crisis for the Vice President. Apparently he had some cosmetic operation done to fix a baldness problem. Now his wife and aides fear the transplant came from a Republican because the Vice President has been heard yelling at the TV about tax cuts and scrapping Medicare. Even agreeing with Paul Ryan.
-- Hey it might be true.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 05:48 PM (V2inB)
The problem with dumping Biden is that he may not want to be dumped. As I understand it, he and Obama do not get along in private. I could see him going out and spilling the administration's secrets.Posted by: Alex
This. Remember Biden has an inflated ego as well - over what I don't know. The guy's a loose cannon and can't keep his trap shut for love or money. He would be on talk shows, write a book, etc. They can't risk that. Narcissism is a two edge sword with these bad actors.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 05:48 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Joey Choo Choo Biden at August 15, 2012 05:49 PM (jucos)
Yeah ... the same number that allowed discovery to take place on his obvious ineligibility ...
There are no laws that the Dog-Eater feels bound by and none that this society would have him bound by. Period. It's almost a joke to imply anything other.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 05:49 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: twit of the year at August 15, 2012 05:49 PM (xXhWA)
Sandra Fulk is out. Mooch won't stand for THAT!
Oh! I know!
Shelia Jackson Lee! The Black Female Joe Biden! She'd be perfect.
Posted by: Pecos at August 15, 2012 05:49 PM (2Gb0y)
Posted by: Putter at August 15, 2012 05:50 PM (FAHcN)
Posted by: CitizenEgg at August 15, 2012 05:50 PM (G0Q4Y)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:50 PM (6o4Fb)
Bambi is an insecure little prick. If he dumps Biden, he won't pick anyone as Veep who he thinks is smarter than he is or in any way threatens him. That rules out Cuomo, Hilary , Mark Warner and Evan Bayh. He'll pick Patty Murray, Barbara Boxer or Debbie Wasseerman Schulz.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 15, 2012 05:50 PM (IbWc8)
Posted by: no good deed at August 15, 2012 05:50 PM (mjR67)
if Shrillary wants the job, she will lose 40 pounds wash her hair and stop swillin boilermakers, she will lose the retired NFL Linebacker on a tree day Vegas bender look and get all clean and shiny lookin like the black guy.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at August 15, 2012 05:51 PM (nonzP)
They even quote Soledad O'Brien as saying so.
It all gets laid out like both sides are shooting equally toxic arrows. What a load of horseshit.
And I think, as to this subject, that the JEF will dump Biden, as soon as he can find anybody, anybody who can jump in and help. It could come from left field, but it will come.
Posted by: TheLittlShiningMan at August 15, 2012 05:51 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 05:51 PM (FEzSe)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 05:51 PM (V2inB)
>> The problem with dumping Biden is that he may not want to be dumped. As I understand it, he and Obama do not get along in private. I could see him going out and spilling the administration's secrets.
Great observation. If Biden were angry enough, he absolutely would try his best to sabotage Obama's reelection. The guy's a loose cannon.
Minor quibble: I highly doubt Biden is privy to any secrets. But still, he could make life very difficult for Obama.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 05:52 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 05:52 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 05:52 PM (AzwZn)
Allowing Bill Clinton to serve as American Emperor for life would be very taxing on the country's national security and general standards of decency. Therefore, Congress has the power to allow it.
Posted by: J. Roberts at August 15, 2012 05:52 PM (q5NFp)
Cuomo is not leaving NY for this clown.
He's young and can wait and I can't really believe I am about to say this, but has been ok as far as Dem Governors goes.
He's a lot better than his father, again I can't believe I just said that.
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 15, 2012 05:53 PM (DWgdc)
Posted by: Granny Jan and Jihad Kitty at August 15, 2012 05:53 PM (y96kr)
Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at August 15, 2012 05:53 PM (8BaAK)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 15, 2012 05:53 PM (GE1+K)
The thing you're over-looking in arguing for it from their perspective, Ace, is suppose they join and lose. Then in 2016 are they still able to challenge Obama? Everyone says he'll try again. They'll be losers, and second-banana losers.
I think you join the ticket if you're interested in saving it. And that's another thing against its happening: suppose Obama asks HRC, and she says no. It's like a marriage proposal; you do not want to ask unless you're certain of yes.
For helping Obama in 2012, it's as I keep saying, a no-brainer. But outside of that, it's complicated.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 15, 2012 05:53 PM (qyQRd)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: xkaydet65 at August 15, 2012 09:35 PM (hnsU/)
This! And oblabo would burn the White House to the ground before he would admit (even by action) that he made a mistake. Any mistake. Biden was the first mistake.
Posted by: Madamemayhem at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (iRgZG)
Posted by: Adam at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: chique d'afrique on the phone at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (6zgse)
There's risk going both ways.
Do Cuomo and Hillary want to tie themselves to this loser? Yu know - he might lose.
Posted by: Fresh at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (O7ksG)
Biden may not be smart, but I have no doubt that he's cunning enough to find out a few secrets, or the people around him are. Biden is an agent of the DNC, a way to keep tabs on the WH and the Chicago gang running it.
Posted by: Alex at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (oL8vk)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 15, 2012 05:54 PM (pUqSw)
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at August 15, 2012 05:55 PM (OIuTH)
I'm tanned, rested and ready. Also, a zombie.
Posted by: Tom Eagleton at August 15, 2012 05:55 PM (6TB1Z)
If he did replace Biden, it would have to be someone with no shred of decency, honor, respect for our country, or functioning brain cells. Whoever the VP - they have to lie continually and/or be terminally stupid and not realize that they are being played.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 05:55 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (qyQRd)
16. Clinton would put the whole HISTORY!!!!!FIRST!!!! aspect back into the campaign
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Zombie Geraldine Ferraro at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (IbWc8)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (6o4Fb)
I think #1 Bill from Chappaqua has this part correct:
"Andi Cuomo is smart... he's looking to 2020 vs. Paul Ryan."
Hillary! looks like she can just taste being President ... but her record (no matter who's fault) at State is mediocre, and she looks ... old ... I think many big Ds want Hillary! out of the way. She may decide that now is NOT The Time ...
Then there's the current state of JEF's Campaign ...
Teh JEF is starting to screw up on the campaign trail, and say things that even the Loyal Press has to question (?!!?!!!11!!?!!?). It looks like another 30 days of this and The JEF will be Un-Electable.
Teh JEF's Campaignmeister, Axelturf, seems to be cracking, and rumor has it that when Valerie Jurassic enters the room, Axelturf hides ... for days.
Axelturf's butch retort to the heckler (some several weeks ago) of "You Can't Handle the Truth!!!11!" (but a bit more shrill) suggests that even if the rumor is fake, it's accurate.
Biden is channeling Jerry Lewis on bad acid, tracking in some Eau d' upset-St.Bernard-being-wormed ... no one can avoid the smell.
Getting rid of Biden looks to be quite a task. What politician would take over for Biden?
Posted by: Arbalest at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (eTHRu)
A couple of years ago, Anthony Weiner might've had some potential to be a fairly effective counter to Paul Ryan. Not to stand against him as an intellectual equal, mind you, but as a relatively young and charismatic veteran congresscritter with the ability to get the liberal base energized about the election. Excellent work, er, exposing his true nature, Ace!
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (tmbXy)
Posted by: Shrillary Cankles Clinton at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (jucos)
Or as we call them, Democrat politicians.
Posted by: Sargent Shriver at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: twit of the year at August 15, 2012 05:56 PM (xXhWA)
And he'll get away with it ... as usual.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: toby928© at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Zombies Wellstone and Carnahan at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (2pG7H)
I wouldn't underestimate the power of the press working on his behalf.
Posted by: Adam at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (/YJYi)
After all Boy Barry already has two womens bossing him, Valarie and Mochelle!
Inviting Shrillary in after Palin suggested it would mean being bent over further than even the hind ender Obama could stand.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (nonzP)
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 05:57 PM (ArCUN)
If he did replace Biden, it would have to be someone with no shred of decency, honor, respect for our country, or functioning brain cells. Whoever the VP - they have to lie continually and/or be terminally stupid and not realize that they are being played.
Ok, I'm in!
Posted by: Anyone in the CBC except A. West at August 15, 2012 05:58 PM (2d71t)
Admiral Yamaguchi ordered all hands to abandon ship as Hiryu was sinking. He stayed aboard and went down with the ship. He exonerated himself of any guilt by doing this. But he also deprived the IJN of his skills.
So with SS Obama seemingly sinking and foundering. I just do not see Hillary sticking around to go down with the ship by agreeing to be the Vice President.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: Zombies Wellstone and Carnahan at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 09:52 PM (AzwZn)
Why do you say that?
Posted by: twit of the year at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (QK3qp)
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (tmbXy)
Now that is hilarious. Can you imagine if it was actually Palin's intent to force Obama to keep VP Biden on the Obama ticket because, by Allah, Obama isn't going to listen to Palin about anything.
Oh man, that's a Machiavellian plot I'd love to be true. Palin plays chess while Obama plays Chutes and Ladders.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: DC in Towson at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (N/WI2)
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 05:59 PM (FEzSe)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (AzwZn)
The problem with that theory is that Biden is only capable of holding at most seven items in his brain at one time, and one of them is how to find the Amtrak station in Delaware. And another is how to find the Amtrak station in D.C.
Sure, one of those slots might still be reserved for when he caught Obama and Kal Penn in the Lincoln bedroom, but that's like hitting on the progressive at the Belagio. It's unclear whether or not he would even remember having ever served as Vice President, especially if Obama puts him on a special "moon train" at NASA and just pipes Star Trek intro video through the "windows" until the imbecile expires with astronaut ice cream rolling down his chin.
Posted by: J. Roberts at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (q5NFp)
Hillary wouldn't take it because she'll be 68 at the next election. It will be hard to convince voters that she is viable for 4 much less 8 years at that age after the Dems have spent years denigrating Rs that were older.
Cuomo's star has been on the rise. He would be stupid to hitch his wagon to that falling star.
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (xUI0P)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (j+5nE)
Posted by: jewells45 is scarred for life because of ace at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (UljOc)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 15, 2012 06:00 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (IbWc8)
Ay work Monday the libs were discussing why Zero isn't ahead in the polls by 10 or 15 points after the Ryan VP announcement.
One of them actually argued that the media is biased against Obozo.
It's like half the country has gone insane.
Posted by: joh at August 15, 2012 06:01 PM (HtUdo)
Biden is channeling Jerry Lewis on bad acid,tracking in some Eau d' upset-St.Bernard-being-wormed ...no one can avoidthe smell.
Posted by Arbalest
LOL! Now that's a keeper 
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:02 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: teej at August 15, 2012 06:02 PM (A9hpr)
Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown at August 15, 2012 06:02 PM (jucos)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 15, 2012 06:02 PM (mGEQs)
95%+ for sure. It will come down to getting out the vote and a few car trunks full of ballots.
Posted by: Beto at August 15, 2012 06:02 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: USA at August 15, 2012 06:03 PM (6Cjut)
You mean like when he admitted that there weren't really any "shovel-ready" projects for the porkulus after having made that phrase the centerpiece of the porkulus crime? Barky didn't care ... and no one else did, either. He has no compunction about reversing himself within 24 hours. Shit, he's done that in single sentences ... and yet he never suffered one bit because of it.
Everyone knows that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He knows it, too. He just wants to break everything in sight, though, and his supporters just want to see everything in sight broken.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:03 PM (X3lox)
While any Democrat on the national stage fits, I can only think of one prominent Dem who would actually do it...
Governor Jerry Brown (D) California
Moonbeam to the rescue...Because Deval Patrick is the Choosen One for 2016
Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at August 15, 2012 06:03 PM (8BaAK)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at August 15, 2012 06:03 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 15, 2012 06:03 PM (2d71t)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (VYluS)
send 'em to guam with a notebook, coin, and pencil but get 'em the hell out of the way of progress.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 09:37 PM (LRFds)
Do me a favor, and if you send them to Guam, get my SON out of there first? He's stationed there (USN).
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (lZBBB)
If he did replace Biden, it would have to be someone with no shred of decency, honor, respect for our country, or functioning brain cells
That is a very large group which includes all progs. Man what a field. How about the crazy bioth from CA. Maxine Waters in for the win.
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (ArCUN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 15, 2012 06:04 PM (l3vZN)
Or the VP goes on a junket like Ron Brown to some obscure place in the world. Like try to broker a peace deal in Syria.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:05 PM (V2inB)
Bloomberg wouldn't get any extra Jewish votes. He would probably lose a few since a lot of Jews who don't want to vote for Barky could blame their reluctance on Bloomberg, instead.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:05 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at August 15, 2012 06:05 PM (qyQRd)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:05 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (J6kXj)
Posted by: USA at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (6Cjut)
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That's Hawt......Posted by: Paris Hilton at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (jucos)
Posted by: redgrains at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (TExGL)
She wants to run in 2016. Being tarred as obamas vp if he should win would be worse than being Bush's vp.
They are going to make him dance with biden.
I think many of the non progressive democrats are hoping against all hope that this stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure loses so they can dissasemble the obama machine once and for all and purge the party of his hateful bullshit.
but i could be wrong
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (3yCFy)
DUUHHH WON will keep Biden just for the contrast of intellect so we can see how wonderful he is.
Posted by: harleycowboy at August 15, 2012 06:06 PM (wSTfB)
Posted by: mojo at August 15, 2012 06:07 PM (vk+/I)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2012 06:07 PM (fxHyG)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 15, 2012 06:08 PM (J6kXj)
that cocksucking prick is going to enjoy the good life too much with 100K speaking engagements 3 times a month.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:08 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Mekan at August 15, 2012 06:08 PM (T/L2Z)
Posted by: The Intercontinental at August 15, 2012 06:08 PM (AzwZn)
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (BVkEs)
>> There is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better.
I usually like your posts, steevy, but you are way off base on this.
I have friends and relatives who are gonna vote for Obama because they do foolishly think he is helping.
You can say that the people I know and love are motivated by hate, but I say you are living in a partisan echo chamber and it's clouding your judgement.
No offence, but you're just wrong on this, I know for a fact, firsthand.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (UOM48)
I'm just proud to serve with such an articulate fellow.
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (gUDfN)
Biden Taken to Hospital with Undisclosed Complications.
Biden's Surgeons are consulting the top podiatrists in the world on how to proceed.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (ovpNn)
Just think of it as the bumper sticker Obama/Clinton -- their two greatest stars in 50 years on one line.
Yeah, I think that would be bad. It's a good thing they don't listen to me.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 15, 2012 06:09 PM (ccXZP)
Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 06:10 PM (FEzSe)
Posted by: Not an Artist at August 15, 2012 06:10 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: Vince Foster & Ron Brown agree on this at August 15, 2012 06:10 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: carolina at August 15, 2012 06:10 PM (QBDoj)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:11 PM (6o4Fb)
Biden is here to stay. The Biden FAMILY - including his son - has been in the deep, pervasive Obama corruption from the start. Malkin's book documents it nicely. It's not just slow Joe they have to worry about. Do anything to piss off the Biden clan, and things are going to leak. His boy can make sure of that, as can his wife.
Now, if the entire Biden clan were to somehow die in a plane crash, I guess that would wrap things up nicely...
Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2012 06:11 PM (jfeoD)
That I can shape-shift between Democrat and Republican at will?
Posted by: Arlen Specter at August 15, 2012 06:11 PM (qyQRd)
Posted by: Zombies Kennedy, collectively at August 15, 2012 06:11 PM (2pG7H)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (fxHyG)
Posted by: BlackOrchidMissesDagny at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (J6kXj)
IT WAS NOT A GAFFE, it was Chicago talking points given to Slow Joe, a Dog Whistle, code lingo, to the blacks to stay down on the rat plantation, and they did it full well knowing Biden could get away with it, cause he's the poor, stupid, crazy uncle.
Obama has not only not condemned it he has supported it thus it is so.
Biden is all too happy to play the useful idiot just as Harry Reid is all to happy to block any and all legislation the rats don't like and to slander Romney!
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (nonzP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 10:10 PM (FEzSe)
I don't give in to terroristic threats. No answer for you!
Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: Barack Obama XIV, Sun King at August 15, 2012 06:12 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at August 15, 2012 06:13 PM (LyvQ3)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:09 PM (VYluS)
That might be what they tell you but you can bet your butt that that isn't what they think.
No doubt your friends are fools, but 1000:1 they're liars, too. They are motivated by their hate of America not their love of Barky, though they love that he hates America and is destroying it (actually, already has).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:13 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:14 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: George Clooney at August 15, 2012 06:14 PM (AzwZn)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:15 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 06:15 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Chappaqua Bill at August 15, 2012 06:15 PM (IbWc8)
160If he did replace Biden, it would have to be someone with no shred of decency, honor, respect for our country, or functioning brain cells
That is a very large group which includes all progs. Man what a field. How about the crazy bioth from CA. Maxine Waters in for the win.
I'll take Who i Shiela Jackson Lee for the win Alex
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 15, 2012 06:15 PM (tmbXy)
What could Hillary tout as her accomplishments as SOS? Other than dancing badly and getting tanked every night. A large part of the world is a raging shit hole right now and the other half are losing their shirts.
The 2008 campaign became very nasty and personal between her and BO. I don't think Clintons forgive or forget.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:15 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:16 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 15, 2012 06:16 PM (KC3A2)
Because two corrupt Clintons are never enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:16 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: John Edwards at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (sZTYJ)
164 ... Al Franken for veep.
In anticipation of the upcoming movie, the Senate adopts adult diapers as business attire ...
"Sen. Smalley Does Becomes a #2"
... No. Not Al ...
Posted by: Arbalest at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (eTHRu)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (2pG7H)
The dude told Congress when and when they are not in session.
Some people have just not been paying attention.
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (DWgdc)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 06:17 PM (I2LwF)
>> it applies to their leaders and brain trust pretty damn well tho
Indeed it does. But if we misunderstand why the masses vote Democrat, we will consistently fail at convincing them to switch their votes. The fight fight fight bomb-thrower types do not change minds.
Also, I don't think it's good for your mental health to believe in a paranoid vision where you're living among 150 million villains. Good grief, that's horrible. The reality is, we're a nation of mostly well meaning ignoramuses.
I'm not trying to pick an argument with steevy, who I quite like. I'm just saying; demonizing all Democrats hurts us, too.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:18 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 06:18 PM (AzwZn)
OBAMA/OBAMA 12
After all according to Obarky, Moochelle isn't being paid and needs a real job again...its expensive buying friday donuts for her 27 staffers.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:18 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: USA at August 15, 2012 06:18 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (GE1+K)
sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:09 PM (VYluS)
I usually like your comments (hah), but you may be living in the partisan echo chamber. Ever think that is a possibility?
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (ArCUN)
The foreign policy disasters she can lay directly at Obama's doorstep. After all she was following his ideas on what US policy towards other nations should be.
As for the wanton partying. Perhaps it was her way of saying I don't want to be VP for Obama. See all these embarrassing pictures.
No the Clintons do not forgive or forget. Bill learned how to survive getting ousted as governor. And he has been slipping in some zingers starting with that time in the White House Press Room when Bill took the podium while Barry scurried off to meet Wifey-poo.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (V2inB)
What do you do?
Taken from the movie 'Speed', of course: http://tinyurl.com/2eyboet
Posted by: Uriah Heep at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (Wa+Fw)
" He could just make it official and name Valerie Jarrett as his running mate..."
You sure got that right Kid!
Posted by: carolina at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (QBDoj)
Of course, I suppose Obama could simply declare the Republican-controlled House to be in recess, and Speaker Orangina would just grumble a little and let it go.
Posted by: Stacy Kiebler at August 15, 2012 06:19 PM (3yCFy)
The Choom and the Ferret 2012
***
That sounds like some 70's sitcom. Did you guys watch "Choom and the Ferret" last night...
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (61yvg)
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 10:17 PM (6o4Fb)
Those people should be deported (or otherwise gotten rid of). Our excessive tolerance for their bullshit is why this country is so f**ked up. Europe will take scum from anywhere - I'm sure they can make room for more like-minded shit-for-brains Libtards who love the smell of their own farts. Every libtards I've ever had the misfortune to talk to thinks the Euros are the world's greatest geniuses - let them go over there an live among them.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: franksalterego at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (9XykO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 06:20 PM (a4CUi)
We all know and love stupid people.
For your loved ones to think Ogabe is "doing good" they are either stupid or communist.
Period.
His won words damn him, I can show you him bitching about Bush's economy when it had 4,7% UE3 and was generating 375,000 jobs a month compared to Choom's own 163,000 on average.
!50,000 is considered "barely keeping up with population growth BTW" Choom ridiculed Bush's economy as "jobless recovery"....
if Bush was a Jobless recovery what the fuck is this?
No I mean I can grasp why a person stupid enough to only look at the media and The Daily Show for election news could pull the lever for Fuckwit but 15 minutes of genuine research on the puppy munchers' "HISTORIC JOURNEY" would have set off alarms to any non communard red blooded American I know.
Your stupid friend or relative or whatever's Boy Prince stole 716 billion from granny and just did an end around the law for about the 177th time since the election....
Nope sorry like my sister in law....survey says Red or Dumb.
No exceptions....if you believe Barack Obama is the answer well the you whoever you are wherever you are have a lot of stupid questions.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:21 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mike Malloy at August 15, 2012 06:21 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 15, 2012 06:21 PM (mFxQX)
Jug-eared F*ck
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:23 PM (UOM48)
The dude told Congress when and when they are not in session.
Some people have just not been paying attention.
Posted by: General Woundwort at August 15, 2012 10:17 PM (DWgdc)
Yep. Another impeachable act that should have had the Indonesian Retard out of office and standing trial ... but most people don't even remember it. I often forget that one, myself, when I am listing his clearly impeachable actions.
Amazing, isn't it?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:23 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(my dog`s gettin old quick just like me) at August 15, 2012 06:23 PM (DWWup)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:23 PM (6o4Fb)
>> I usually like yourcomments (hah), but you may be living in the partisan echo chamber.
I am living in a left-wing echo chamber, it's true.
And I personally know good and honest people who voted for Obama. Why? Because they're kinduv dumb and don't think about politics very deeply. They hear that Democrats stick up for the little guy while Republicans stick up for corrupt bankers, so they do the "right" thing.
You can call that evil, but it's not. It's just dumb.
But hey, please tell me how my fucking family members are evil liars.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:23 PM (VYluS)
Seen Choom and Ferret is about a drug dealer/pimp and his number #1 driver called the Ferret. Now police detective Sarah Palin has been trying to bust this deadly duo for months.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:24 PM (V2inB)
191: Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
Florida Senator Bill Nelson
Virginia Senators Mark Warner and Jim Webb
Arkansas governor Mike Beebe or Senator Mark Pryor
North Carolina Senator Kay Hagen
Missouri Sen Claire McCaskill
Not much depth there.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 15, 2012 06:24 PM (IbWc8)
I don't think he will dump Biden. There is a huge downside and questionable upside. If he dumps him he has to admit that either Biden went nuts since he became VP or he made a big mistake.
Hillary and Coumo would both jump at the chance though. They are both political dicks
Posted by: robtr at August 15, 2012 06:24 PM (MtwBb)
>> For your loved ones to think Ogabe is "doing good" they are either stupid or communist.
Yes! They are stupid. That's my point, thank you.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:25 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: Joe Bidet at August 15, 2012 06:25 PM (gYsnd)
O-ring and Co. haven't laid the predicate for the switch. Biden would have had to have several health 'scares' last year reported in some worried but gentle articles by the ball-washer press. At the same time the ball-washers would have pumped up the replacement as a 'steady, cautious, serious' assistant in chief who loves Puppies and the Pewoor™.
A switch now would make them look like the plastered cougar at the Tropicana daiquiri bar at 1:50am Sunday... not that I know anything about that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 15, 2012 06:25 PM (Q/1Jp)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (BRoKX)
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Alvin Greene D-Saturn at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (UOM48)
Obama / Obama 2012 vs. Obama / Jarret 2012
I see either ticket losing badly, collecting perhaps 15% of the vote.
"One Term More" will be the closing aria lamentations of the women of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (eTHRu)
Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
David Boren from OK. Good luck.
Posted by: fluffy at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (6o4Fb)
You don't cure a disease my misdiagnosing the cause.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: The Q at August 15, 2012 06:26 PM (B/yDO)
Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 10:10 PM (FEzSe).........................................................................................Your threats put aside. I believe your being ignored because your use of the word, good and Democrats in the same sentence. Unfortunately Zell Miller couldn't be reached for comment as he's the only "good Dem" I can think of. Well that, or John McCain
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 15, 2012 06:27 PM (tmbXy)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 10:26 PM (BRoKX
Sounded like you enjoyed yourself. You still high, bro?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:27 PM (UOM48)
>> For your loved ones to think Ogabe is "doing good" they are either stupid or communist.
Yes! They are stupid. That's my point, thank you.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:25 PM (VYluS)
Well if they are that stupid, on election day plan to drive them all to the voting boots as a voting party thing. Go early so you can vote, then go pick them all up and drive out to the boonies kick them out of the car, make them take off their pants and shoes and make them walk home.
by the time they get back they will be too tired to be stupid enough to vote for that miserable idiot in the white house
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:27 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: redgrains at August 15, 2012 06:27 PM (TExGL)
The reality is, we're a nation of mostly well meaning ignoramuses.
I'm not trying to pick an argument with steevy, who I quite like. I'm just saying; demonizing all Democrats hurts us, too.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:18 PM (VYluS)
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Well meaning ignoramuses are killing this place. Fuck them and their good intentions. Spreading the franchise around willy nilly was the worst thing that ever happened in this nation. First it was any adult male who could make his mark, then the women. All down hill since, and if it were not for the continual advance of technology propping us up, the nation would have already fallen into poverty striken fragments.
We may not be able to get away with demonizing those cocksuckers, but the fact is that the 52% are the enemy, they are trying to rob us blind, and a large portion fo them are culturally depraved trash. We don't need to learn to understand them. We need to learn to manipulate them, and discourage their growth as a demographic.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2012 06:27 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 06:28 PM (AzwZn)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone ninny at August 15, 2012 06:28 PM (BRoKX)
I say that as an adult stroke victim who appears totally fine, but was never the same upstairs.
Posted by: strokeman at August 15, 2012 06:28 PM (aFxlY)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:29 PM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 15, 2012 06:29 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Justamom at August 15, 2012 06:29 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Adam at August 15, 2012 06:29 PM (/YJYi)
He would be afraid Bayh would be Gerald Ford.
Plus I am not sure Bayh would take it. He's still young enough to run without being attached to Obama.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 15, 2012 06:29 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (6o4Fb)
Your fucking family members are either evil liars, communists, or stupid.
"You'd think you'd be thanking me since you asked"....
Your boy prince tried to hide from every hard choice on his record he could....one thing he stood for was making sure abortionists could not be prosecuted for allowing viable botched aborted fetuses to die in a closet.
So yeah I discovered that right before the the primary race in late 2007 when he wnet on the Orca show and sais, "er uh no way am I uh ready I just want to um ah uh get my name out there."
Yeah see even Choom knew he was an affirmative action hire.
so folks who did no research and believe that a media who ratfucked Bush for every US casualty in the two wars has "somehow" forgot a few fucking "grim milestones"....
yeah you're right they are either evil, stupid, communist, whatever but I am not going to pretend like they were noble.
Unlike his suddenly angst driven fans who whinge about "where's the real Barack?" Barack Obama has NEVER let me down he has lived up to everything I expected.
He will blow this country apart if it gives him a shot at power.
Happiest day of my 40 years thus far will be seeing him fly off to "Whereverstan" and do "who cares".....
I hope he lives to be 300 so he can see my country recover and be fair to all not just "Choom's buddies"....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (LRFds)
>> We don't need to learn to understand them. We need to learn to manipulate them
Good luck "manipulating" people you don't understand.
This is why I like Paul Ryan; he does understand them. And when you listen to him debate them, he usually starts by laying out what their common ground is, before he starts detailing where and why they're wrong.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (mGEQs)
A switch now would make them look like the plastered cougar at the Tropicana daiquiri bar at 1:50am Sunday... not that I know anything about that. Posted by: weft cut-loop
So, how was she?
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (EAgmr)
But hey, please tell me how my fucking family members are evil liars.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:23 PM (VYluS)
I've got extended family members who support Barky. They're evil liars. And stupid. As is true with all Barky supporters. If they weren't evil they wouldn't be supporting the retard and if they tell you they think he's improved anything then you know they're liars. Lying is part of leftist ideology - it's at the base of it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:30 PM (X3lox)
That way all the dems could still see him regularly on tv.
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:23 PM (VYluS)
I never called your fucking family members evil liars. I don't know where that came from. Anyway good luck in life. Hope your family comes around.
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (ArCUN)
Bayh hates him.
I live here....I actually wound up liking Bayh he dropped by the county fair...a union dem who just wouldn't let go.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (AzwZn)
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (6o4Fb)
2. The reason a lot of R's stayed out of the running is everyone thought the economy would turn around by now. Now that it hasn't, the thinking is that it will definitely in the next term, even if socialist barry is reelected. So the party in power next term can expect to retain power for at least two terms. that is enough to tempt anyone into replacing slow joe.
(related - think of barry ever admitting to a shortcoming. the closest i can come up with is the "shovel ready" comment, which people think was pointing out his own error. But that was really a wise crack toward the advisors that told him the stimulus would create shovel ready jobs. He was publicly blaming others and ridiculing them for the advise they gave, and he followed.)
Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (zZJJp)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:31 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 15, 2012 06:32 PM (FeFBS)
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at August 15, 2012 06:32 PM (3yCFy)
Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
No such thing as a good RAT
Posted by: USS Diversity at August 15, 2012 06:32 PM (2d71t)
I hope they come around too but if you are four years into GLORIOUS ERA OF CHOOM KING! and can't wrap your head around him literally being able to do whatever he wanted for two years and his "crown jewels" are well Obamacare or the "Great Medicare Raid" and Dodd-Frank.....
screw 'em
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (LRFds)
They adore Barry and think America is a racist, horribly flawed country. They dearly love Europe and still believe Obama has earned us the respect of the rest of the world.
My housewife friends have raised and are raising great kids, involved in church, Scouting, and volunteering every spare minute they have in their schools and community.
They are also well read and very informed. And they hate the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (mGEQs)
If they're stay-at-home moms who live on government checks, maybe, because that's their safety net. But the Democratic Party is not a friend to the "dad works, mom stays home and takes care of the kids" demographic. At all.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (qyQRd)
That's good ( I think) to hear. No surgeries are minor, as my friend the nurse anethesist loves to point out to me.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: thunderb at August 15, 2012 06:33 PM (Dnbau)
I still say Slow Joe stays, but if there's a replacement, I'd bet on Antonio (Tony Villar to his white voters)
Posted by: The Q at August 15, 2012 06:34 PM (B/yDO)
What is even more scary to think about - if Hillary has decided to Toddlers and Tiara Chelsea into being her surrogate. To get to the Presidency through her daughter.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:34 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 15, 2012 10:32 PM (FeFBS)
She pretty much said it to ensure it would never happen.
If he does it now the ridicule he will face for following palin's advice will be too much for him
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 15, 2012 06:34 PM (ovpNn)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 15, 2012 06:34 PM (Gs9j9)
Didn't mean to come across that way, seriously.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:35 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 15, 2012 06:36 PM (FeFBS)
You mean like their godling does by saying, You know my friend over their the weird mormon time traveller who gives women cancer the vulture capialist?
Yeah I notice your family really worried about "fairness and common ground" when they picked a radical....
John McCain all but endorsed the guy but it was not enough...
"John can't er even e-mail or use a blackberry"
Yeah Bark, Dr Girl Throw McMom Jeans you know why?
Your marxist Vietnamese buddies used to break his shoulders for shits and giggles.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:36 PM (LRFds)
Didn't read the thread, but the one guy who could fit all of O's hurdles and is ineligible to run for his current position is that douchebag mayor of Los Angeles Posted by: The Q
Many, many skeletons in that horror of a closet. It would take a 12 year old approximately 30 minutes to conduct that opposition research.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:37 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at August 15, 2012 06:37 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:37 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Chelsea at August 15, 2012 06:37 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 10:26 PM (VYluS)
Wrong. In fact, it's the only effective response, since coddling evil liars and telling them that they're just misguided, but well-intentioned, besides being a lie, itself, doesn't do anything to change them. That is only helping them defend to themselves the evil and lying they do.
And whether or not these people are in your family has nothing to do with what the truth of the situation is. I don't care if they're in "your" family. This is not a personal debate. All of the leftards are in someone's family. I have a number in my family, and they are what they are.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:38 PM (X3lox)
Who could the Democrats bring in to help the ticket?
Chris Christie? Although, he might be a little too liberal.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 15, 2012 06:38 PM (kdS6q)
I have no housewife friends who are libs.
Homeschoolers, reading moms, library aides, yes.
Posted by: Justamom at August 15, 2012 10:29 PM (Sptt
This. It's actually the single skanks who are big time Obastard lovers. It's like an 70-30 break, or worse. They have no husband (prolly don't want one) but they sure do want a sugar daddy who will pay the bills without complaint as they go out and fuck anything in pants, while their illegitimate children hang out with granny.
Posted by: Reactionary at August 15, 2012 06:38 PM (jfeoD)
Posted by: Joeseph Biden V.P of the USA at August 15, 2012 06:38 PM (tmbXy)
I never called your fucking family members evil liars. I don't know where that came from.
Posted by: Ronster at August 15, 2012 10:31 PM (ArCUN)
He was talking to me, I believe.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 15, 2012 06:39 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Chelsea at August 15, 2012 06:39 PM (BVkEs)
She pretty much said it to ensure it would never happen.If he does it now the ridicule he will face for following palin's advice will be too much for himPosted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright
And after Palin went public with that "suggestion" I saw other conservative blogs following suite. I first I thought it odd and annoying but then realized what they were doing.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 06:39 PM (EAgmr)
I'd put my curricula vitae up against Choom's....
Glad to hear about your friends. I am sick and tired of people making excuses for the Marxist's enablers.
They can come over to the light side, they can sit it out, or they can go with Barack but I am just about done pretending their is some nobility in supporting a guy so stupid about economics he can say to Charlie "never heard of em" Gibson....
Yes, lower capital gains may indeed raise revenues but I am more keen on fairness Charlie"
Yeah really genius?
Guy would be happy with a 3 inch pie if he gets the knife, Americans want more pies made, and marxists end up declaring you a Kulak and taking your pie.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:40 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 06:40 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: Bev Perdue at August 15, 2012 06:40 PM (YYyqq)
As one of the most outspoken commentators on CNN, it is my duty to talk about the unpopular messages out there.
Why just the other day I talked to someone on the street that thought that there is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate. That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families. What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell
Posted by: Fareed at August 15, 2012 06:41 PM (sJTmU)
OK, here's a scenario:
Jay Carney announces (during Romney's acceptance speech at the GOP convention) that Biden is resigning for health reasons. Obama says he will announce his VP pick at the convention; the White House and leading Dems immediately leak that it's Hilary Clinton. No one confirms or denies this.
Billy Jeff gives a great convention keynote speech that barely mentions Obama. No one except Obama notices the omission.
Obama schedules a news conference the next day to announce his VP; thirty minutes beforehand, Hilary tells him she can't accept his offer. Bill and Hilary are seen later that night laughing like a couple of drunk high schoolers.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 15, 2012 06:41 PM (IbWc8)
Posted by: Plover-notary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:42 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Lite! 98% Anger Free! at August 15, 2012 06:42 PM (GE1+K)
Posted by: Jean at August 15, 2012 06:42 PM (tWctt)
Don't let Hillary Clinton replace Joe Biden as Vice President.
Instead, have Joe Biden replace Michelle Obama as First Lady.
This would have the following advantages:
1) The position of First Lady would greatly benefit from Biden's charm and personable character.
2) It would give the campaign a fresh new direction -- one that could not have been anticipated even by the foresightful Romney campaign. Talk about getting inside the GOP OODA loop!
3) It would prove beyond doubt Obama's commitment to gay marriage.
4) Biden would be less "High Maintenance" than the current first lady. No embarrassing trips to Spain or Hawaii.
5) Biden, despite the occasional gaffe, generally does as he is told.
6) Obama would still benefit from Biden's expertise on foreign policy during nightly "Pillow talk".
7) The other um, "required duties" of this office are less odious than what Biden has had to put up with previously.
Biden for First Lady 2012!
Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 15, 2012 06:42 PM (gsPPG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 15, 2012 06:43 PM (V2inB)
Posted by: thunderb at August 15, 2012 06:44 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque at August 15, 2012 06:45 PM (eQnzo)
"266I don't think he will dump Biden. There is a huge downside and questionable upside. If he dumps him he has to admit that either Biden went nuts since he became VP or he made a big mistake."
You know, before this thread I never really took the idea of dumping Biden seriously. But let's look at it. As far as anybody can figure, Biden was supposed to help out as the experienced one, with foreign policy creds. And maybe he was supposed to appeal to the middle class. Yeah, that sounds like a joke to you and me, but that's the way a Dem would see it.
This time 'round Obama's inexperience is less of an issue (although competence and work ethic are certainly on the table). Maybe this time they figure he needs someone else - someone to help him get over the finish line, plus they're looking to annoint a successor (they wouldn't seriously consider Biden for thay, would they?).
Hillary would energize Democrats, perhaps even more than we're seeing Ryan exciting Republicans. But what about the bad blood? Plus - as I said elsewhere - Hillary just looks bad. I mean literally bad. Is she sick, or does she just not give a crap any more?
Cuomo? Sure. I'm in NY, and am surprised - he seems more pragmatic than I expected. But he's very inexperienced. It seems early for him, just as it seemed for Christie and Rubio (and Palin, last time 'round).
Posted by: Optimizer at August 15, 2012 06:46 PM (As94z)
Posted by: General Zod at August 15, 2012 06:47 PM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Nemo from Erewon at August 15, 2012 06:47 PM (7TRcO)
Posted by: Fareed at August 15, 2012 10:41 PM (sJTmU)
Why just the other day I talked to someone on the street that thought that there is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate. That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families. What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell
Posted by: Joey Biden at August 15, 2012 06:47 PM (YYyqq)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2012 06:47 PM (VYluS)
Posted by: Museisluse at August 15, 2012 06:48 PM (pQ1p8)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:48 PM (3yCFy)
Good if he does. It shows he has more sense than most democrats.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 15, 2012 06:48 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2012 06:49 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 10:48 PM (3yCFy)
Hey now!
Posted by: Rhode Island Red at August 15, 2012 06:50 PM (YYyqq)
Are there any good Dems from the South that Obama could swap out Biden with?
Posted by: Billy Quizboy at August 15, 2012 10:10 PM
My congressman, Jim Moran. He's not "good" by any means, and this is as much the South as Dela-frigging-ware, but it would get his sorry ass out of Congress.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 15, 2012 06:50 PM (IbWc8)
Posted by: thunderb at August 15, 2012 06:51 PM (Dnbau)
Posted by: General Zod at August 15, 2012 06:51 PM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:51 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 06:53 PM (a4CUi)
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 15, 2012 06:53 PM (tmbXy)
Slightly off topic:
Jim Gerraty (sic) at NRO online had a post that if Obama loses in November, it is entirely plausable that he tries a Grover Clevland and runs again in 2016. Not sure how that would effect Hillary or Andrew Cuomo's or anyone's calculations.
Posted by: Leonaidas Hoetep at August 15, 2012 06:53 PM (vroI0)
Posted by: Reggie "Bodyman" Luv at August 15, 2012 06:53 PM (YYyqq)
Posted by: thunderb at August 15, 2012 06:54 PM (Dnbau)
I don't know him well I met him in passing, he looks a lot different. A Republican running for a judge seat here in Johnson County I was talking to about volunteering and he were cordial.
The local GOP guys say you can work with him, and he was supposed to be the "last of the scoop jacksons".
Sandy upthread asking us to accept that "gee Chooms' fans are just dumb" set me off.
Like I said in another thread Mitt is a much much nicer man than me.
Someone in Barack's past should have taught him manners and honor.
Dismantling his defenses and watching him get more and more angry is gonna be a pleasure. He is just about "isolated" out of Alinsky and we are pouring on the ridicule. Mitt is using Judo.
I am confident.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 06:55 PM (LRFds)
Dismantling his defenses and watching him get more and more angry is gonna be a pleasure. He is just about "isolated" out of Alinsky and we are pouring on the ridicule. Mitt is using Judo.
I am confident.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 10:55 PM (LRFds)
More popcorn?
Posted by: Craig Poe at August 15, 2012 06:57 PM (BVkEs)
There's another reason to dump Biden. It CHANGES THE SUBJECT.
We might as well start speculating on his replacement right now. Think identity politics. Double up on the race card? Or a woman - to throw some meat into the so-called "War on Women"? Or a dog! Let's not forget about the "War on Dogs!"
OTOH, #266 is right. If anything defines Obama above all else, it is his unmitigated narcissism. Perhaps the Messiah would feel that a change would be admitting to a mistake. It'd be nice if his NPD finally became his undoing.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 15, 2012 06:58 PM (As94z)
I was in favor of gay marriage several years ago, and they don't know I've changed my mind on the subject. That's why they're still willing to talk to me.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 06:58 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Leonaidas Hoetep at August 15, 2012 06:59 PM (vroI0)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 10:53 PM (a4CUi)
Glad you got the reference. I'll go back to the Group W bench now.
Posted by: Ammo Dump at August 15, 2012 06:59 PM (YYyqq)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 15, 2012 07:00 PM (Gs9j9)
I highlighted in another thread the one on "Dems can put the money back in" by Jay Cost I think that no Jay they can't and keep Ocare...
Take away the 716 billion dollar "screw seniors" mess and all Barry has is "only I would have ordered a hit on OBL"....
oh "ok" hey Barack you know the difference between Mitt and You?
Mitt kept the fact he was gonna hammer you on medicare secret for months....
you got seal team 6 killed in several days....
Good going buddy.
If the liberals in this nation had ANY normal human's patriotic sense they'd be repulsed by his antics on the OBL hit.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 07:01 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: James at August 15, 2012 07:01 PM (RQb/L)
Gay Marriage is a complex matter here....
I am in favor of civil unions as legal vehicle and marriage as a religious one.
Somehow that makes me evil as compared to several weeks ago....
"what changed?"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 07:02 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 07:02 PM (3yCFy)
Isn't that amazing?
Bayh is a nice man who wound up in the dem party due to his family. he wasn't a great governor, but he muddled through ok, given that his entire staff and legislature were nutso. He did run the debt up (courtesy of the unions) so Mitch had to fix it.
My dad (a yellow dog democrat) LOVED him, because he loved his dad Birch. You couldn't say anything critical at all about him or my dad would go nuts.
Well, small world and allthat!
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 15, 2012 07:03 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: IdowhatIwant at August 15, 2012 07:04 PM (a4CUi)
Maybe if we ever have the brickyard meetup thing....
"zoom"....
If your windows shake when the race in november is called that is just me and the wife screaming.....
no big deal just another night on hurricane road.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 15, 2012 07:09 PM (LRFds)
Liberals now consider gay marriage a done deal, never mind the more than 30 states that have banned it. Biden came out in favor of gay marriage shortly before Obama did; they're not about to ditch him in favor of someone who's doesn't loudly support gay marriage.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 07:09 PM (3yCFy)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 15, 2012 07:11 PM (3yCFy)
Just think of the ads that the opposition can cut if you do.
I think plan B is to lose and run again in 2016.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 15, 2012 07:12 PM (dX4hn)
"372
Slightly off topic:
Jim Gerraty (sic) at NRO online had a post that if Obama loses in November, it is entirely plausable that he tries a Grover Clevland and runs again in 2016. Not sure how that would effect Hillary or Andrew Cuomo's or anyone's calculations."
You heard it here first: He WILL run again. Why do I say that? Easy! He said he wouldn't, and he's a liar and a malignant narcissist. Is there really any question? He's young, for a politician, and has a neurotic craving for attention. He'll be a problem for a long, long, long time.
"Tell-all books"? Please. Have you COMPLETELY forgotten who we're talking about? These people don't CARE how much dirt comes out about them, and their supporters will vote for them no matter what.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 15, 2012 07:12 PM (As94z)
Posted by: thunderb at August 15, 2012 10:51 PM (Dnbau)
I can tell ya for certain that Barack is the good kind of antisemitic moron. Clean, too.
Posted by: Veezy Joey Biden at August 15, 2012 07:12 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: @PurpAv at August 15, 2012 07:14 PM (/RS2M)
These people don't CARE how much dirt comes out about them, and their supporters will vote for them no matter what.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 15, 2012 11:12 PM (As94z)
I hear what you're saying, but Coming Back to Preezy O Steezy is a lot different that Coming Back to Mazy O Deezy. And Barack is one lazy muthafucka, too. Plus, he's gonna be busy getting Chocolate Maude her Senate seat.
Posted by: Honnable Marion Barry at August 15, 2012 07:17 PM (QjSgY)
OT: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed an executive order directing state agencies to deny driverÂ’s licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration program.
I hope other states follow her lead.
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 07:25 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: Cheri at August 15, 2012 07:26 PM (EAgmr)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at August 15, 2012 07:26 PM (QyMDY)
Posted by: Nukie at August 15, 2012 07:28 PM (AzwZn)
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Yes and no. They're very good at lying and ignoring inconvenient facts, but the do care a lot how much comes out about them . This is why they are so fanatical about hiding every last detail of both his history and his presidency. And Obama is thin-skinned and has no experience dealing with anything less that a 100% adoring press. If enough critical info comes out he can no longer maintain the facade he and others have worked decades to construct.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 15, 2012 07:28 PM (Gs9j9)
1) Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarret would not stand for some other women, especially a Clinton, coming to the rescue of their man and getting a higher position of power.
2) Biden knows where the bodies are buried and cannot be controlled.
Posted by: Jose at August 15, 2012 07:30 PM (srIqv)
Personally my match for the JEF, and sure to receive high quality media drool: Hugo 'El Jeffe' Chavez(two non-native borns on the ticket make a positive ...or something like that). Then their is the corpse of Fidel Castro as running mate-- has a certain Upper West Side /NYT Darling angle that would provide some real vintage drool.
Posted by: redgrains at August 15, 2012 07:44 PM (TExGL)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 15, 2012 07:46 PM (41zfH)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2012 07:46 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2012 07:47 PM (F0o5k)
Posted by: kevin durant fan at August 15, 2012 07:52 PM (oZfic)
Posted by: madamex at August 15, 2012 07:57 PM (5UcDQ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 15, 2012 08:22 PM (r4wIV)
FDR - Wallace --> FDR - Truman. The latter, of course, won.
Obama - HRC is stronger than Obama - Biden. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, doesn't mean they'll win. But I prefer it stay Obama - Biden.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 15, 2012 08:25 PM (qyQRd)
Posted by: JEM at August 15, 2012 08:40 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: FeralCat at August 15, 2012 08:43 PM (cY9nU)
Posted by: sherlock at August 15, 2012 08:45 PM (dhjQ/)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at August 15, 2012 08:54 PM (BBMHP)
The problem with Hillary is that she's much smarter than Obama, and I have a feeling that Obama hates people smarter than he is. If he chose her as VP, I wonder if she wouldn't find a way to Vince Foster him. And I think he'd be thinking the same thing.
Hey, maybe he'd pick Bill Clinton to be his VP.
On the fifth hand, Joe makes Obama look really, really smart by comparison.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 15, 2012 09:10 PM (i0App)
My pal B+rry can replace shit for brains NOW if he wants. Fuck. Don't you know anything?
Posted by: Fuckstick John Roberts at August 15, 2012 09:13 PM (p8l5K)
Yeah, that was my reaction as well. Palin and McCain (who's said the same thing) are poisoning the well for O'Barky. And for Hillary.
Heh
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at August 15, 2012 09:42 PM (41zfH)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 15, 2012 09:45 PM (J9Fxi)
Posted by: kinlaw at August 15, 2012 09:50 PM (l1ZyS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 16, 2012 12:23 AM (wmk8Q)
Posted by: AllenS at August 16, 2012 01:38 AM (8Mv0a)
If I'm Hillary, and the JEF comes to me with an offer to replace Biden, I have to consider the four possible outcomes:
1. JEF keeps Biden, wins.
2. JEF keeps Biden, loses.
3. JEF replaces Biden, wins.
4. JEF replaces Biden, loses.
Obviously, scenario 3 is best: JEF wins, Hillary gets the credit, and she's the heir-apparent. Of course, the JEF will have thoroughly fucked up the economy by the time 2016 rolls around. On the other hand, by 2016 the Obamacare manacles will be firmly locked in place, and the electorate will have been thoroughly watered down with amnestied illegals, so she can count on the ever-increasing number of government/Democratic dependents voting to keep their bread and circuses.
And clearly, scenario 4 is the worst: JEF loses, and Hillary gets the blame. (You don't really expect the JEF to shoulder the blame himself, do you?)
Scenario 1 is neutral: Hillary gets her shot, because nobody considers Biden an heir-apparent. (The conventional wisdom is that Biden was selected to make up for the JEF's inadequacies; I think that the JEF couldn't bear to have a second-in-command who overshadowed him - and to find someone who didn't, he had to stoop awfully low.)
Scenario 2 is also neutral: Hillary will have a shot in 2016 because Romney/Ryan are going to have to clean up Obama's mess, and given how the world economy is going, things are still likely to be in the shitter. Not to mention that the MFM [spit] will be playing up every problem in the country, real and imagined, blaming R&R for every problem that Obama created. So she'll be able to play on the electorate's discontent: "Hillary! The One We Should Have Had!"
So, of the four scenarios, three reward staying off the ticket, or at least are neutral. The big question is whether her presence on the ticket would be enough to push the JEF over the top; and at best, that's open to debate.
Conclusion: if the JEF offers Hillary the VP slot, she says no.
Posted by: Brown Line at August 16, 2012 02:26 AM (rDYAB)
Posted by: ROIGuy at August 16, 2012 05:33 AM (7YnaR)
Posted by: kevin durant fan at August 16, 2012 06:25 AM (oZfic)
Andrew Cuomo's been governor of NY for 2 years. He's signed the only legitimate gay marriage law in the US, and he's pissed off some unions by cutting some of their more outrageous deals. Admittedly, it would be fun to watch libs who claimed Palin wasn't qualified, arguing that Cuomo is, despite having no more experience. Other than that, he provides a negative example compared to Obama (he's made hard choices, Obama hasn't), is from a State and area that Obama already has locked up (or, if he doesn't, Obama's toast and the election is over), and I'll still take Ryan over Cuomo in a debate.
In short, there's nothign in it for Hilary, and Cuomo won't help Obama. Not going to lose any sleep over it.
Greg
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Hillary will say yes only if Barry retires early...
Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at August 15, 2012 05:14 PM (8BaAK)