November 08, 2012
— CAC
As the returns began pouring in, my volunteers engaged in the thankless task of racking up the numbers. I had some delay at first in getting them in, as it was a busy night, and started to watch the numbers coming from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.
To say I was upset was a tremendous understatement. Frankly, I lost the will to keep reporting once it was painfully obvious Obama had won Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Colorado. I held off for a bit, then hit the edit feature to put in "Obama wins", and after my network connection crashed, called it a frustrated night. I will update the site stats from my volunteers gathered info. Kudos as well to them, who are still humming along in a Decision Desk email chain with suggestions and reflections on the race and campaigns. We will do this again for '14, hopefully with happier news.
I want to thank all of them for continuing to report, as tough as it was.
I have some thoughts on how polling and data-mining can be used by the GOP, the lessons not learned from the incredibly successful fight against the recall in Wisconsin, and I'll throw them together for a post in the next week or so.
If I had known Team Romney wasn't replicating that June effort from the Badger state, I would have called this race months ago. I had perhaps blind faith that their team knew what it was doing, that it had learned from Obama's GOTV efforts and was ready to match them. As we are learning about ORCA, that was horribly wrong. From now on, the polling reigns supreme. Right in 2008, right in 2012, right in the Recall. Goodbye "unskewed" silliness.
Since polling has all but evaporated post election, I think I'm going to enjoy some stargazing. Dinner with the wife. Definitely going to take time to enjoy some art for a while. Something that will take some of the sting out of Tuesday. Something less discomforting and awkward than the massive fuck-up that was the Romney campaign. So look forward to my next art thread: Mapplethorpe's X Portfolio at LACMA.
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Be well , be happy.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 02:28 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Jack J at November 08, 2012 02:29 PM (t4nf+)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:30 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2012 02:32 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 02:32 PM (arczc)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:32 PM (Td9D+)
At least 'til I show up, anyway.
Posted by: Fiscal Cliff at November 08, 2012 02:34 PM (IDypm)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:35 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:36 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 08, 2012 02:36 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 02:37 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 02:37 PM (detCI)
Thank you for your efforts CAC. We all felt the sting. I woke up with a migraine Wednesday morning and then threw up.
(TMI?)
Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 02:37 PM (jm/9g)
I've said that the loss was multifactorial. Some big factors (vote fraud, idiotic 20something white girls). Some small factors.
One small factor appears to have been the "relax, we've got this" attitude from certain sectors on the right. And revoiced on (cough) certain popular conservative blogs which posted starry-eyed Romney landslide forecasts.
Many people assumed it was axiomatic that a President couldn't get re-elected with such an incredibly awful economic record. Guess what? This one did! After those same people couldn't be arsed to go vote.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2012 02:37 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:38 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 08, 2012 02:38 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Adriane at November 08, 2012 02:38 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:39 PM (jUytm)
(TMI?)
Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 06:37 PM (jm/9g)
I had a splitting headache too... no throwing up though.
And I quit HOURS before the race was conceded. What a nightmare.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:39 PM (xAtAj)
I have to echo CAC: job well done by all 92 of us morons were working for the AOSHQDD
Posted by: StrategicCPLUSMC at November 08, 2012 02:40 PM (6J+oK)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:41 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:41 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: nip at November 08, 2012 02:41 PM (11Tdq)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:42 PM (jUytm)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 02:42 PM (0q2P7)
Election night was like a brief hike on the Liverpool Care Pathway.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 08, 2012 02:42 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2012 02:42 PM (6zgse)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 08, 2012 02:43 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 02:43 PM (iO3BG)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 02:44 PM (iEujK)
It's still quite possible that they were being skewed towards Obama and it was causing enough people to say, "Eh, guess there's no reason to go vote."
The problem is, we only explain that to people that frequent conservative blogs... people that are going to vote anyways, no matter what. Most other right-leaning people just see the polls with no analysis.
What we really need to do is start reaching out to non-political right-leaners RIGHT NOW. Get them on board and keep them as informed as you can without overloading them. That's just my opinion, anyhow.
Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 02:44 PM (appbn)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 02:44 PM (jUytm)
I don't think any of us were willing to believe the implications of the polls.
Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2012 02:45 PM (hO9ad)
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Santorum would've won Ohio, Perry would've won Virginia. All "electability" gave us was NC, IN and a district in Nebraska
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 02:45 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 08, 2012 02:46 PM (iO3BG)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 02:46 PM (iEujK)
He's using a voted average model, which is just slightly more complicated than RCP's poll averaging, and not even close to necessarily better.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:47 PM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Sassy at November 08, 2012 02:47 PM (detCI)
Numbers don't transfer between elections.
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (SX6wc)
Was Romney running all the Senate races too? If the RNC was as good at getting out the vote as they are at fundraising by telling people they are good at getting out the vote, we'd have a lot less pissing and moaning around here.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (+lsX1)
Fine they can't be free if that's who they are so I shouldn't have to worry about them.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (0q2P7)
Santorum would've won Ohio, Perry would've won Virginia. All "electability" gave us was NC, IN and a district in Nebraska
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 06:45 PM (iEujK)
Perry would have floundered in the debates badly... I was a Perry man.
Scold would have lost in a landslide.
But yes fantasy world is awesome.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (xAtAj)
But the day-of operation was a disgrace. There were voters all over Ohio who could have been reached and were not because it was assumed by the team that money didn't need to be wasted to reach them. "They'll turnout on their own." Didn't happen, and we lost in all of the key states because of this.
WE DIDN'T LOSE OHIO "BECAUSE HISPANICS!" They don't exist there. We lost because white voters who would have gone for Romney weren't motivated to go to the polls, poisoned by Obama's cynical ad smear all year. Romney didn't reach them, and a good ground game could have reached them and convinced them to vote begrudgingly.
Next time spend half the money you spent on ads (that by mid-October no one was paying attention to because of the overload) and pour it into GOTV in the key states.
Posted by: bigpale at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (TDbSH)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (LmEvg)
Posted by: DavidM at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (a0Tfj)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 08, 2012 02:48 PM (5H6zj)
I hate to say it.... but we needed to do Nationaly, what Alan West did...
QUESTION the vote.
99% for Obama in parts of Philly? 99% of people can't agree on what color the sky is....
100,000s of thousands of ballots outstanding in Washington State? Provisional Ballots EVERYWHERE still out... Military not getting their Ballots in time?
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 02:49 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 02:49 PM (IoNBC)
Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 02:50 PM (1hNQS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 02:50 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:50 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 02:51 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 02:51 PM (LmEvg)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:51 PM (uvzjj)
___
You know I think they need some President'n in Southern California about right now.
Posted by: Barack Obama at November 08, 2012 02:51 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (b+jI9)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (LmEvg)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 06:49 PM (IoNBC)
Rubio
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 02:52 PM (iEujK)
How are white voters in Ohio NOT motivated to vote? There are portions of that state that look like disaster areas any day of the week. Are their lives that wonderful? The economy so grand?
Posted by: Unruly at November 08, 2012 02:53 PM (2h1eI)
So, serious question: Are we officially just spotting the left whatever they can get away with? Is that the "new normal?"
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 02:53 PM (AUeaU)
He's responding to a counter-factual. How else do you respond to something that can't be falsified?
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 08, 2012 02:53 PM (SX6wc)
The real problem is that the GOP won't do any better in 2016.
Posted by: Scobface, Staying Positive at November 08, 2012 06:49 PM (IoNBC)
Rubio
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 06:52 PM (iEujK)
Rand
But hey we're 4.2 years out why not start fighting about it now?
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:53 PM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 02:53 PM (VrVBw)
Mitt was a helluva good candidate. Almost great, in fact. Had he been running against anything but President Historic First©, the god-like affirmative action candidate, I believe he would have won by 15 points.
If we can't overcome the propaganda advantage the MFM gave the Dems, I hope that we will learn to train and dispatch people versed in the way of voter fraud to watch the friggin' enemy like a hawk.
More than any failings of candidate, GOTV efforts or "messaging," we were done in by fraud. If our "leaders" and "pundits" refuse to face up to that (as I am 95% certain they will), we are destined to lose again and again, no matter who we run.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 02:54 PM (yKUrR)
Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 02:54 PM (appbn)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:54 PM (uvzjj)
I wish I was kidding.
***
Dude! Don't you dare!
Thanks for letting me play around with the numbers the other night. It kept me from losing my mind, which I would have done, were I just sitting around watching FNC that night.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: mallfly at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (Td9D+)
Rand-Rubio. Problem solved.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 06:54 PM (uvzjj)
Hmmm Rubio would make a great VP bulldog. I support this.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (xAtAj)
***
The Democrats had been preparing to run against Romney since 2008.
The Republicans walked into the most obvious trap in the history of politics by nominating the man.
And I would wager threw away what hope America had left.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 06:54 PM (uvzjj)
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I like that ticket.
Posted by: kallisto at November 08, 2012 02:55 PM (jm/9g)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 06:48 PM (LmEvg)
Not IMO.
Until the Repubs can bring home how their policies affect at the individual level.... they will not win.
Dems give stuff to individuals and small groups... Repubs say, look at the big picture..... but more people will VOTE on their own personal circumstances...
Case in point, friend of mine is a ONE ISSUE voter, because his wife is ill... even when I pointed out that he wants to use Government Power to force MY KIDS to pay his wifes Medical Bills.... he couldn't see the problem... (rethinking this friendship by the way).
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 02:56 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:56 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 08, 2012 02:56 PM (Zqz8w)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 06:54 PM (uvzjj)
Rand doesnt give us shit. We need to win. Hispanics are a part of the electorate now. Might as well make them conservative then push them away as more come in.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 02:56 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:56 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:57 PM (uvzjj)
Oooh, thank you for your expert anal-ysis!
Haven't seen you around here before yesterday. Been hangin' with the Tepid Air bunch?
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 02:57 PM (yKUrR)
Posted by: mallfly at November 08, 2012 06:55 PM (bJm7W)
Nope... the system will fail before the 'Free Stuff' people stop demanding stuff, and Politicians stop giving it to them for votes....
That ship has sailed.... and ALL of this was predicted by the Founders.... which is why they did NOT create a Democracy.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 02:58 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 06:56 PM (iEujK)
I'm not going "electable" again. Anti-corporatist/anti-regulation Rand will do just fine.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (53riN)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: TLGM at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (appbn)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (LmEvg)
If we can't overcome the propaganda advantage the MFM gave the Dems, I hope that we will learn to train and dispatch people versed in the way of voter fraud to watch the friggin' enemy like a hawk.
More than any failings of candidate, GOTV efforts or "messaging," we were done in by fraud. If our "leaders" and "pundits" refuse to face up to that (as I am 95% certain they will), we are destined to lose again and again, no matter who we run.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 08, 2012 06:54 PM (yKUrR)
I agree. Romney is an honorable person....we're not going to find someone much more honorable and with a lifetime record of it. Unfortunately, the electorate doesn't give a rat's ass about honor or competence. All they care about is 'cool'.
They're too stupid to know what they've just done to themselves but I'm hoping they find out real soon.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Arizonans 4 Romney at November 08, 2012 02:59 PM (EMC8A)
Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 08, 2012 03:00 PM (Zqz8w)
Alf Landon, 1936, "ex"-progressive pro-New Deal Republican governor form a state America doesn't know much about, up against a cultically worshiped fascist-Emperor-president, in the middle of a depression. There was *one* precedent for this election, and it was followed.
(I did tell you so. I'm aware that it doesn't matter that I did. But I did, and I didn't see anybody else do it.)
Notably for the GOP future, maybe, '36 was the election that locked the black vote against Republicans (it's *against Republicans*, not for Democrats) forever—for no obvious reason. 2012 will probably have done the same with Asians, likewise for no obvious, first-order, Romney-was-going-to-fuck-up-the-Asians reason.
I mean, in theory conservatives are anti-Affirmative Action, and AA fucks Asians worse than anybody. So the conservative™ GOP is "objectively pro-Asian"...in theory.
But the reality of something else outweighs that hypothetical "pro-." Is it anyone's job in the GOP to figure out *what* that is? And do something about it? Or counter it? Maybe with some "pro-?" Some "pro-" that would also invigorate the party's shrinking Loser base?
I'm sure somebody's on it.
Posted by: oblig. at November 08, 2012 03:00 PM (cePv8)
Posted by: Gozer the Gozarian at November 08, 2012 03:00 PM (nD2pm)
Were you as much as a prick then as you are now?
Posted by: burned cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 08, 2012 03:00 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:00 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:01 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2012 03:01 PM (b+jI9)
the country heard nothing , the media hid his misdeeds , his corruption and his cohorts
how can a population make a wise decision with the information hey actually recieved>?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 03:01 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:02 PM (Td9D+)
We HAVE to reign in the religious right in the party. It's costing all of us way too much. Let them be moral on their own time, and quit using (abusing?) the GOP to see God's will or something done here on earth.
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 06:48 PM (LmEvg)
You don't understand the interconnection between social and fiscal responsibility. You are like the mechanic that wants to throw an annoying piece out of the engine because you can't figure out what it does.
Complimenting Adam Smith's "invisible hand" there is Nebachadnezzar's "disembodied hand." Social issues are what is actually collapsing us, the financial problems are really just a symptom of the social problem.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:02 PM (R9579)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at November 08, 2012 06:59 PM (xAtAj)
Bush is the "electable one", along with Christie. Ron Paul is getting nowhere near the white house. Rubio as VP is a waste. Rand would lose. Unlike me, you voted for Romney, so you'll fall in line
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:03 PM (iEujK)
BZZZ
You keep trying to put an easy fix on something that is much more dire. Obama wasn't a good candidate he was a terrible candidate. One that failed miserably for 3.75 solid years in office. Mittens wasn't a terrible candidate he was an OK candidate. We should've won easily even with our flaws. The fact that we didn't should make us examine why not.
The demographics don't support us any longer. Until we shift a lot of thinking in the US we will be beaten repeatedly. The only cure I can think of is a good dose of liberal reality for the US.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:03 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:03 PM (P6QsQ)
Translation: As I began to realize the enormity of the butt-farking we were in for I noticed my wife's rack and I volunteered to remove her boobies from the constraints of her bra.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:04 PM (feFL6)
Didn't see any of that in the GOP platform. heard Obots screaming it though. Guess you voted for Barry Tuesday.
Any fiscal conservative who sat home Tuesday believing the imaginary war on women shit deserves whats coming. I thank you on behalf of my kids daily increasing share of the National Debt, you inbred redneck.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:05 PM (VrVBw)
Posted by: a guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at November 08, 2012 03:05 PM (u18HN)
for a few hours i had the most hope for change in 5 years.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 03:05 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:05 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 03:06 PM (LmEvg)
putting the poor on the streets, even if it'll cost them more in taxes."
Didn't see any of that in the GOP platform. heard Obots screaming it though. Guess you voted for Barry Tuesday.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:05 PM (VrVBw)
exactly.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 03:06 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:06 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Arizonans 4 Romney at November 08, 2012 03:07 PM (EMC8A)
Wait, you actively helped Obama get re elected? Are you shitting me?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:07 PM (VrVBw)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:07 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:07 PM (QxSug)
That's not what the exit polling showed.
The exit polling showed that people still blame Bush for the economy; they thought Romney would bring back Bush's polices; they thought Obama needed more time to fix the economy; they thought Obama cared more about them than Romney; and a plurality said Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy was a big factor.
The mistakes Romney made were in not fighting back on the "vulture capitalist" meme. He couldn't have done anything about Sandy. (Thanks, Chris Christie! Love ya! Mean it!)
Romney and Ryan fought back on Medicare and defeated it as an effective attack. They then concentrated on positive, Reaganesque "morning in America" themes that everyone liked. They just didn't trust Romney to deliver on his promises because Obama had effectively tarred him as favoring "the rich."
Romney beat Obama in "ability to manage the economy." But people thought he'd do it by taxing the middle class and favoring the rich. So they stayed with Obama.
There was no great demographic swing. Obama just did what he said he'd do and killed Romney.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (SI/pw)
Then America deserves to burn. You can't have an amoral and free society. It is impossible.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 06:48 PM (LmEvg)
In other words, you want us to make "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not covet" political issues, but not "thou shall not kill." Good to know, preacher.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (DeRsD)
Posted by: Rich at November 08, 2012 06:32 PM (arczc)
Duh ,what we cant effect , we cant worry about.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:08 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (2rMmy)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Avi at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (40anC)
Wow!!!111 You actually moved all the way from one sentence rejoinders to two sentence. Welcome to the second grade asshat. But I'll never forget those nights you savored my smegma, but I'll never tell. Promise.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:09 PM (QxSug)
The problem is that gay activists have operated in bad faith in the past, by moving goal posts, and they will continue to do so. The problem is that the next step beyond "gays will marry" is "we'll force gays to marry in your church", which is the real problem.
Granted, if you're Catholic, you're about to go underground over a separate issue *anyway* ...
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (4+LTj)
Re ORCA, if I had known how bad the groundgame was, I would have done more outside my red district. I really thought a guy with Mitt's creds would have the groundgame and ORCA, tested, retested, and tweaked.
What a bitter disappointment. This does reinforce my belief that the e-voting machines were biased and that electronic voting is not anywhere perfected until we have a paper trail to compare to the machine tallies.
What are you gonna do? Call me names that I haven't been called for the last 5 years? Go for it. I am American, I am strong, and my skin is thick as an elephant. This statement was in response to someone who cautioned me someone on anothe thead to beware, I might be called a truther.
We have to stay hard on Congress, and look to take the Senate in 2 years. Start Monday. This is a week of getting fiscal house in order, stocking up and buying all the stocks we know are in o's hip pocket. Then have enough losses to offset the taxes that will not change until we change the Senate.
Until then, hunker down, recommit, and give as little as possible to the gubmint and to o voters. Let the impact hit them first.
God bless you all, God bless America and God have mercy on Israel, in addition to us.
Posted by: ShameTheShameless at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (TFeHR)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 06:59 PM (Td9D+)
And what is the picture that people should "get"?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (R9579)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (uvzjj)
(IT is being forced on us )
The government isn't forcing anyone to be immoral (from your perspective), they simply aren't PUNISHING them. You don't need to spend your life trying to get the Gov't to pushing sinners.
(The govt is asking religious folks and THEIR shuls, churches to provide the servicers funds ,and comply on abortion)
Preach forgiveness. Feed the poor. And leaves Ceasar's stuff in politics, and God's stuff at church.
(agree)
You don't really need to keep the gay's from marrying to save America. You just don't.
(Could care less, just don't demand a church have to comply) why doesn't religion have rights in this?)
But racking up huge debts? That's an actual political problem, and worth your time and effort and votes.
(agree)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 07:06 PM (LmEvg)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 03:10 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: jewells45 at November 08, 2012 03:11 PM (1hNQS)
Hey, don't fret. Here in CA we have just voted ourselves a huge tax increase, and the ability for the legislature to ride herd over the citizens. Next, we're gonna build us a high speed rail system starting in downtown Tijuana, which has stops only at ObamaCare exchange offices.
All is well.
P.S. Mr. Obama, we voted for you, remember that come Xmas, K?
Posted by: Jerry The Burnout Brown at November 08, 2012 03:11 PM (wAQA5)
We lost Florida, Virginia, and Ohio by over 100,000 votes in each state. That's a lot of fraud.
not in the computer age it ain't
Posted by: kj at November 08, 2012 03:11 PM (AW9md)
Dude, all you have to do is shift SoCon issues to the STATES. You will never get a national consensus on the hot button social issues. Nor is there any authority in the Constitution for you to even attempt to establish national social laws (e.g., Huckabee's call for Congressional legislation to ban smoking, Santorum's national blue laws, etc). Go read the f'n 10th Amendment.
Posted by: wooga at November 08, 2012 03:11 PM (vjyZP)
Do we need to? If 68% of us didn't show up, there might be a vote or two we could pick up.
Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (CNCfS)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (LmEvg)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:07 PM (VrVBw)
Nope.Just didnt vote. Romney had a 0% chance of winning PA. I said it before here. I just didnt come because people here thought he'd win Michigan or Minnesota. It was Romney central here.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (iEujK)
The government isn't forcing anyone to be immoral (from your perspective), they simply aren't PUNISHING them.
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Umm, then why is the Catholic Church suing the Federal government?
Why are my tax dollars funding the abortion industry?
That's just the tip of the iceberg my friend. Do yourself some research on the multitudes of lawsuits filed on behalf of religious liberties over the last 20 or 30 years.
Don't tell me there isn't coercion in government that intrudes upon religious freedom, which last time I checked was right up there in the Top Ten Amendments. Number 1 on the hit list if I recall correctly.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 07:08 PM (SI/pw)
Close.... but what Romney should have done was EMBRACE the meme...
Say, Yes, I am a Capitalist who had made a lot of companies successful.... and LETS RUN AMERICA LIKE A COMPANY and MAKE A PROFIT! Lets make China our Bitch... Europe? Pay for your defense or we're out of there... Amercian Equipment, Made in America!... Drill here, Drill Now... and Fuck the Middle East.
The Conservative Men who stayed home (IMO) would have come out in droves to vote for that Asshole....
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 07:03 PM (iEujK)
Fuck you, you treasonous sack of shit. Anyone voting for Obama should volunteer to move out to a nice third world country. Go fuck that country up and leave this country so we can become a great nation again.....
Posted by: crowsting at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (61BD9)
Posted by: slatz at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (fAVBA)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:12 PM (QxSug)
I think the biggest mistake though would be to believe the Republican Party doesn't need a reboot. The fact remains, there's a significant gender gap and we get slaughtered in states with demographics and incomes we should be doing well with. Why on Earth, for example, have college educated, white collar professionals abandoned the GOP? We can't expect a governing majority from disaffected coal miners.
Political parties change all the time, Democrats used to be a party of working class whites that opposed integration.
Conservatives need to stop with this nonsense about going back to the "Reagan Model". The nation has changed since 1980. Drastically. Hell, Joe Biden was elected as a strident, pro-life Senator from Delaware. which just goes to show you how meaningless and abstract those labels are.
The nation was going through a religious revival of sorts and both parties tipped their hat to it. One of Reagan's biggest pushes for the Supreme Court was for prayer to be back in public schools. Again, the nation has changed.
My advice is Mitch Daniels was right, let's have a truce on the Culture War (especially since we lost it) and start offering solutions that can address the problems we can solve.
If we fall back to the "we need better GOTV software" we're going to keep losing elections because we're not winning new hearts and minds.
Posted by: McAdams at November 08, 2012 03:13 PM (VyNeh)
These are good things. Mitt Romney is a fine man. He blew it with the ground game.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 08, 2012 06:38 PM (jUytm)
If Romney and Ryan debated like his first debate they could have won on that.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 08, 2012 03:13 PM (AWmfW)
The power of the unchecked liberal media to pick and choose what the general populace needs to know (Obama/Christie/Sandy) and when they need to know it (Iran firing on US UAV) scares the heck out of me. I am afraid the FSA (Free Stuff Army) will never listen to an alternative uncool conservative media (Rush has a big audience but he mostly confirms what they already think/know).
I also fear that if disaster strikes (as it most assuredly will) during the king's second term they recalcitrant Republicans will be blamed no matter if the only fingerprints at the scene belong to Obama, because of his more than willing accomplices in the media.
We need to retrench (but probably won't). Some points to consider:
1. The candidate should be as squeaky clean as Romney because if there is a particle of scandal (even a parking ticket) it will be used against the R candidate.
2. Smear campaigns should be answered with equally dirty but factual responses.
3. Every R candidate for any office at any level down to town dog-catcher should be schooled on a defusing answer on the abortion question (and many excellent ones were proposed here at AoS).
4. See 3. above for foreign adventures (war/military force, etc.). The only rational position here is that, absent a formal Declaration of War by Congress (House and Senate), US troops will NOT be deployed overseas in a combat scenario.
5. R's should have electrodes implanted in their skulls, if necessary, to constantly remind them that the press is their enemy 24/7/365.
Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado )) at November 08, 2012 03:13 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:13 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: sulla at November 08, 2012 03:14 PM (0GucZ)
According to Krusty the Klown, Tijuana is "the happiest place on earth"!!!
Posted by: wooga at November 08, 2012 03:14 PM (vjyZP)
Thanks, CAC, for all the hard work you did for us.
You did great.
Thanks also, to all the other 'rons and 'ettes who worked tirelessly too.
Posted by: wheatie at November 08, 2012 03:14 PM (ICEh3)
I did have to tell some guy that he could not wear his Obama shirt in the polling area because it was considered electionering, within 100 feet. His mother got a little mad and said " Your going to make us go home and not vote?" I told her no, just go to the bathroom and turn it inside out. They came back into the polling area and I thanked them. They wouldnt even look at me. Oh, well - I would have done it if someone showed up with a Roseanne Barr shirt too. Yes, or a Mitt shirt. It was a real great turn out. My precinct had over 900 ballots. I live in the CA high desert area. We closed the polls at 8pm, tallied up all the different types of ballots. write ins regular ballots vote by mail drop offs and the provisional ballots. Sealed them in boxes or envelopes as directed by the Registrar-Recorder Office. Drove the ballots to the local drop off point ( 20 mins away), waited on line for about 1/2 hour to turn them in. On the way home, heard that Obama won. The votes that we were dropping off and everyone else's in this county, had not even made it to the heliport yet to be brought to LA to be counted. I got home at 10:30 & they were already tearing down the stage that Obama gave his speech on and sweeping up the confetti. They could have waited until the votes were counted, just to make it look like any of it really mattered.
Posted by: Say What? at November 08, 2012 03:14 PM (3hSf2)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 07:12 PM (iEujK)
And you think not voting didn't help Obama? You're a fool....
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (X6akg)
No, it is not. It has just been made to appear toxic as the result of years of propaganda.
But it's gotten so bad at this point (rape babies? really?) that people can't even stomach it, taxes be damned.
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 06:59 PM (LmEvg)
Cutting off your nose to spit your face. Yeah, that's a smart move. In a few years, rape will be the least of our worries.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (R9579)
Posted by: crowsting at November 08, 2012 07:12 PM (61BD9)
boohoo. I didnt blow the election. Romney did. Romney is a terrible candidate and has lost most elections in his lifetime.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 07:03 PM (P6QsQ) "
We do need one simple litmus test from now on: Do not nominate anyone for the Senate who opposes a rape exception for abortion, period. There is too much risk that they will not be able to defend their position without blowing themselves up.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (2ihLK)
Wow. just wow. You actively aided Obama's re election. Thought St Sarah the Spineless of the Perpetual Victimhood was your idol.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (VrVBw)
What, are you going to want to pitch people of faith to the lions, soon? Go along great with the bread and circuses!
Posted by: Lizabth at November 08, 2012 03:15 PM (JZBti)
ha do you realize how many nesting ground for endangered birds will be destroyed by highspeed rail we'll tie it up with lawsuits for twenty years
Posted by: Robin Peckerwood at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (AW9md)
Posted by: Nate at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (BBlzg)
No I agree there was no huge swing, it just continued the direction it had been swinging for a long time.
There was nothing so fundamentally wrong with Romney's campaign that it shouldn't have been able to unseat a President with 7.9% unemployment, a dead ambassador, an unpopular modification to US healthcare, persistently stagnant economic growth, who shutdown a major pipeline project while gas in the US was selling for $3.50-4.00 a gallon.
If you don't get out of denial and accept that a serious problem beyond quick "We messaged wrong" fixes we are in serious trouble. You are cocooning convincing yourself the results are not as bad as what they were.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 07:15 PM (X6akg)
Not really. I'm not voting for Romneycare when my vote will just get eaten by someone from Philadelphia. I vote for people I like.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (iEujK)
The same demographics that reelected Obama strengthened the GOP majority in the House.
There's only one possible conclusion from this and the exit polling: People didn't trust Romney, and they didn't trust him because the Democrats demonized him.
They also demonized the House GOP, but it failed. Why?
The only possible answer is that Team Romney didn't effectively fight the "vulture capitalist" meme, while House Republicans were somehow able to convince the voters to increase their numbers.
Romney didn't try to overcome the "vulture capitalist" meme. He's so personally accomplished that he doesn't realize how simple-minded most people are.
He tried to persuade them with a grand vision that they liked. They just didn't trust him to implement it.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (SI/pw)
***
The government has no business stopping two people from doing what they want to with each other.
On the other hand the government has no business allowing one group of people to murder another, or forcing a redefinition of marriage on society.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (QxSug)
You don't offend me. I have a daughter with many boys. Through some crazy biological function the more boys a woman has, the greater chance that the latter born one will be homosexual. The odds increase exponentially. While I hope that is not the case for my daughter and grandson, I'm not going to be the first one to throw a stone at something which has a basis in biology.
Good for you for walking out.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:16 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 03:17 PM (bxiXv)
not in the computer age it ain't Posted by: kj
Bring you're evidence immediately to the FBI so we can get this election result overturned.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2012 03:17 PM (b+jI9)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:15 PM (VrVBw)
"actively aided". I did nothing. And Romney still got his clock cleaned like in most all elections he has run in. Romneybots wont own up to it.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:17 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 08, 2012 03:18 PM (53riN)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 07:02 PM (Td9D+)
A lot of people seem to think they are a legend in their own mind. Don't know what medicine your peddling, but your hubris is unmistakable.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:18 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 03:18 PM (2rMmy)
Posted by: Avi at November 08, 2012 03:18 PM (40anC)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:18 PM (QxSug)
BZZZZ thanks for playing.
If an immoral act causes injury to another person, that is where the innocent person has a right to expect protection from the law. And a moral and just society should endeavor to provide such protection.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:19 PM (0q2P7)
THERE! That's the answer.
Not demographics; not ground game; not knowledge; not planning ahead; not anything. Just, "I vote for people I like."
This is the average American voter.
Romney was the "vulture capitalist," and Obama is the smiling First Black President.
Game over.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:19 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:19 PM (iEujK)
Don't you know....?
That's [whispers] racist...
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:20 PM (0q2P7)
Sitting on your ass during what was probably the most important election in a long time. Yeah, you helped Obama. And you don't have the integrity to admit it.
Gutless like St Sarah.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:20 PM (VrVBw)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 03:20 PM (bxiXv)
You didn't vote....so how are things better? Who was your preferred candidate?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 07:18 PM (L7hol)
Perry, santorum or Gingrich would've done better in the electoral college than Romney much to the bots' dismay
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:21 PM (iEujK)
The electorate has spoken.
It turns out that most of them are idiots.
Cover your own ass. We are entering a time of what I call
"The Great Chastisement"
Romney did nothing wrong. When the ordinary housewife in Kentucky (personal friend of wife) thinks that Romney doesn't relate to her personal problems, you know we are fucked.
Since when did the President of the United States of America need to be sympathetic to my problems? When did my vote become a personal wealth enrichment endeavor?
In voting for the economic retard, they have voted for their own economic ruin.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:21 PM (he2LC)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:21 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 07:16 PM (iEujK)
As I recall you're pretty young.....good luck with Obamacare.....and the debt.....and the rising taxes. You showed 'em!!!
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 03:21 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:22 PM (Td9D+)
You are so full of shit.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:22 PM (he2LC)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:22 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Avi at November 08, 2012 07:09 PM (40anC)
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Yes. Will you marry me?
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:22 PM (P6QsQ)
btw: go fuck yourself loser
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Cricket at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (2ArJQ)
We can either let the fear of passing our profligacy down to our children be bound with the fear of abortion and gay marriage, or burn the whole thing down and find something new that works.
Posted by: Prufrock at November 08, 2012 07:05 PM (u18HN)
They get to 51% because the public only hears their side. The Democrats never stop campaigning. Every tv show, every movie, every news report is an effort by the Democrats to push the idea that THEIR philosophy is normal, and that if you don't agree with it, you're evil.
Every election year, most of the advertising dollars go to Liberal Democrats that run the media apparatus. They donate the money, and give their guy advertising for free.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (R9579)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 07:22 PM (he2LC)
QFT.
Posted by: Adam at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (/YJYi)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (b+jI9)
Gutless like St Sarah.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:20 PM (VrVBw)
Romneybots are still crying about Palin? She was gone forever once she ducked out. There will be more important elections. They're all "important" I here. Obama won by what? 5% in PA? My vote doesnt do anything. You voted for Romneycare and you got nothing out of it.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:23 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (2rMmy)
Posted by: Lurker who doesn't copy/paste from Word at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (xfWVe)
Posted by: Avi at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (40anC)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (QxSug)
Then we lost a long long time ago, and choosing "likable" candidates or some such temporary fix is just putting band-aids on bullet wounds while we bleed to death. Liberals will ALWAYS adjust pop culture to make our side UNCOOL and UNLIKABLE. To chase those things is a fools errand akin to expecting your enemy will reliably run the rail service that delivers you ammunition.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 08, 2012 03:24 PM (0q2P7)
There was nothing so fundamentally wrong with Romney's campaign that it shouldn't have been able to unseat a President with 7.9% unemployment
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Ok, let's try this game.
Who did the average voter think was a guy more like them? Who did the average voter think cared more about the middle class?
Romney ran a terrible campaign. I thought, up until the end, that it was at least better then McCain, but on further reflection it wasn't.
Romney didn't define himself or his opponent. He gave no powerful reason to vote for him. He gave no reason to vote against his opponent. He made mistake after mistake. And this is on top of his life's record most definitely being a negative coming into the thing.
All this was clear back in 2011 too. But people had to vote for "Mr Electable". Who mind you has only even won one election in his life.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:25 PM (AUeaU)
But did Auntie Zeituni and Uncle Omar get to vote?
Sure hope they weren't denied by evil white election officials.
And got BammyPhones, too.
Posted by: wth at November 08, 2012 03:25 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 07:22 PM (Td9D+)
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Santorum would've won Ohio. He was liked there. He probably would've won Iowa too. Romney is hated in Ohio, I love how people forget how he struggled in the primary there to Santorum when he had 100x the money
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:25 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 07:06 PM (LmEvg)
Laws are nothing but enforced morality. This country used to have slavery. We decided it was immoral and passed laws banning it. Do you think the government should enforce this morality?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:25 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:26 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: a guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at November 08, 2012 03:26 PM (u18HN)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:26 PM (QxSug)
They told him that if Romney got elected, he'd be laid off in 3 months, tops. No actual facts to back it up, just Evil Republicans.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 07:18 PM (2rMmy)
hha did you explain to him there have been Republican presidnt s before and He was not laid off?
or that when the economy hits the can many will be laid off do to bad management at the top ?
or that becaus of dems fannie freddie crf, and other wank ides we had a collapse that killed million of union working in building trades off?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2012 03:27 PM (hX8cq)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 03:27 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 07:06 PM (LmEvg)
And from where did these huge debts emerge? Biggest expense on the books is entitlement spending. Hmmm... apparently having children without husbands is damned expensive, and i'm not even addressing the crime issue!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:27 PM (R9579)
The fundamental flaw in Romney's campaign was that he didn't fight back against the attacks on him.
The same people who defeated him also strengthened the GOP majority in the House. People rejected Romney, not the Republican party. That means Republicans can keep winning if they have candidates who run better campaigns.
Romney was a good candidate but a flawed campaigner. He didn't fight back, and it cost him the election.
The German Me-263 jet fighter was a great aircraft, but Hitler insisted on using it as a bomber, which rendered its superiority meaningless.
The exit polling proves it. The exit polling shows that people support Republican ideas more than Democratic ideas. But they chose Obama instead of Romney because they didn't trust Romney.
It's as simple as that.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:27 PM (SI/pw)
I can look in the mirror and say "I didn't actively help Barak Obama win re election."
Thats something you cannot do.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:27 PM (VrVBw)
Man as an animal, and nothing more. How profound.
Are you calling my seven year grandson an animal? Who, through no
fault of his own, but through some accident of biology will not be some
goddamn woman humping stud? Now relegated by you to be an animal?
Fuck you asshole. Climb back onto the short bus and return to 'Happy Daze'
retirement home. I'm surprised they still let you on the keyboard this late
at night. Shouldn't you be 'sundowning' by now?
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:28 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Cricket at November 08, 2012 03:28 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:28 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 03:28 PM (ck76k)
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Because Romney's no conservative? He has no conservative instincts? And apparently far too few actual conservative advisers.
I guess his conservativitism just wasn't severe enough.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:29 PM (AUeaU)
Last night, when we were watching Lou Dobbs...who showed the voting stats like:
"Registered Republicans -- 32% voted"
My husband said "So who didn't vote? Did some Palin fans stay home? What?"
[He's a big Palin fan, btw...and wishes that she'd endorsed Romney.]
I was too gobsmacked to be making any intelligible noises...so all I could do was shake my head in wonderment, that any R-voters stayed home this time.
But I've been asking today, on the threads..."Who stayed home? And why?"
So now we've heard from one.
Posted by: wheatie at November 08, 2012 03:29 PM (ICEh3)
And CAC you did an admirable job...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna really.really bummed at November 08, 2012 03:29 PM (9+ccr)
Thats something you cannot do.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:27 PM (VrVBw)
I dont know, I told my parents not to vote for Obama or anyone, just stay home. I guess I'm the same as you. Only I didnt vote for romneycare.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (iEujK)
If we fall back to the "we need better GOTV software" we're going to keep losing elections because we're not winning new hearts and minds.
Posted by: McAdams at November 08, 2012 07:13 PM (VyNeh)
I am a SoCon at heart, but there is no perfect solution to the abortion issue because it involves imperfect people and their understanding of morality. I think there are three imperfect sub-issues that might advance the cause somewhat:
1. Q: Rape and incest--A: Consider it to be settled law that abortion is allowed.
2.Q: Birth control--A: Consider it to be settled medical practice that it will remain available as it is now.
3.Q: Birth control coverage and abortion by insurance--A: It should be available but with co-pay so you pay for your own circumstances.
4.Q: Late term abortion/post birth abortion--A: It cannot be condoned by a civilized society.
Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado )) at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (Cnqmv)
***
Hey when we move to internet voting that man will be President for life...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (he2LC)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (uvzjj)
Then America deserves to burn. You can't have an amoral and free society. It is impossible.
Posted by: Mike the Moose at November 08, 2012 07:08 PM (0q2P7)
Libertarians do not understand this. They don't realize that Adam Smith and Edmund Burke were not only good friends and contemporaries, their philosophies were synergistic.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:30 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 03:31 PM (ck76k)
As would every other conceivable campaign from the Right.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 08, 2012 03:31 PM (zpqa2)
# 237
Yes, he was...which leads me to believe Flappy is either a liberal troll, or an angry Luap Nor ass-crack sniffer.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 03:32 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 08, 2012 03:32 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Trainer on his iphone at November 08, 2012 03:32 PM (L8M3D)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:32 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 03:32 PM (2rMmy)
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Romney got the party's nod and lost. Hell yes we should be looking at the mistakes he made.
Oh, and here's the thing Santorum, or Newt, or Cain, or whoever might have lost. But you know what we do know? Romney did lose. And he lost an election that was handed to him on a silver plate.
Choosing Romney was a mistake.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:33 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: Avi at November 08, 2012 03:33 PM (40anC)
Stop blaming Romney.
The electorate (the majority of your neighbors) wants Socialism. Let's do what we can to edumacate them the errors of their ways.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:33 PM (he2LC)
Now, she is a Obot, an admitted supporter of Barak Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:33 PM (VrVBw)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 07:28 PM (ck76k)
But you think Romney, who was an extremely unpopular governor with next to no accomplishments which he campaigned on and got his ass beat by Ted Kennedy and McCain was better. When is romneycentral going off the internet?
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:34 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 03:34 PM (ck76k)
Now, she is a Obot, an admitted supporter of Barak Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 07:33 PM (VrVBw)
Call in the waaahhhhmbulance!
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:34 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 03:35 PM (LmEvg)
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All Romney had to do was ask if the population wanted another four years of the same. He screwed it up.
We just had a replay of the 1980 election, and we got to see what running Bush 41, instead of Reagan, then would have looked liked.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:35 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:36 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 07:30 PM (iEujK)
Well thank you very fucking much for your Keep the Voters at Home effort!
We're soooo happy you were out there giving it your all....asswipe.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 03:36 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2012 03:36 PM (ck76k)
Posted by: That Guy at November 08, 2012 07:12 PM (LmEvg)
Right. If people want to own slaves, that's THEIR business. Keep the government out of it! We don't need no fucking morality!!!!!!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:36 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 08, 2012 03:37 PM (wAQA5)
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How many Republicans have won a Senate seat in PA since Santorum?
You realize Santorum's electoral record was significantly better then Romney...right?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:37 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: a guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at November 08, 2012 07:26 PM (u18HN)
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There's no denying that there is a tension between these two parts of the Party. The problem here is math. Tuesday, one in four of all electoral votes cast in total, were cast by people who identified themselves as Evangelicals. Of that huge block of voters, 79% of them voted for Romney. You tell me how you get the libertarians and fiscal cons to replace that number.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:37 PM (P6QsQ)
No. You just adapt. You adapt your method of trying to reach people. You accept reality and adapt to it.
The GOP has had a long, long time to think about this. The younger GOP pols get it, but the older party bigwigs in control are still fighting the last wars, the way the older French generals in World War I dressed their men in red pants and caps and sent them charging against emplaced machine guns.
"Spirit and the bayonet will always win!" the older French generals said, and their men were mowed down by the millions.
But by the end of the war, the French had adapted. They had hunter-killler squads armed with hand grenades, rifle grenades, and light machine guns to take out German machine-gun nests; they had flamethrower squads; they had assault platoons consisting of light machine gunners, hand-grenade throwers, rifle grenadiers, and riflemen.
The GOP must adapt. It can't deny reality. We're not fucked if we just adapt.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:38 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Cricket at November 08, 2012 03:38 PM (2ArJQ)
And those who are hating on Romney, let me ask you this : is obama a good candidate ? No. He is nothing. But, creative image consultants (NY, Hollywood) and progressives created a product , wrote him speeches and sold him to their target demographic. 10 million figured out they've been had and stayed home.
Posted by: runner at November 08, 2012 03:38 PM (WR5xI)
DESPITE a fucked up GOTV operation
DESPITE not responding to Obama's "Kill Romney" strategy of ads for months
DESPITE not taking the fight to the Chicago thugs and Obamaism
DESPITE the MSM covering up the countless Obama clusterfarks
DESPITE not arguing conservative principles as solutions to practical problems...
Romney was on track to pull this off a week before the election.
And then, we know what happened. How fucking frustrating.
Posted by: GeorgieBoy at November 08, 2012 03:38 PM (jRsDv)
So which troll is 18-1, and flappy? I don't keep track of hash tags, and watching these sycophants huffing the farts from JEF's chocolate starfish is not entertaining enough to pay attention to what they say.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 08, 2012 03:38 PM (L7hol)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 03:39 PM (Td9D+)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 08, 2012 03:40 PM (QxSug)
Could be, might not. Jury still out, but with a statistical 33% advancement in the possibility of homosexuality occurring with every birth in women with multiple sons, and some other clues garnered from years in education I think there is a distinct possibility.
But I'll be damned if I'll let some nut case flying a Mirror Universe nic call him an animal. I don't fight for conservatism only to have a social con call an accident of nature an animal. It's shit like that that loses elections, not wins them.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:40 PM (feFL6)
We're soooo happy you were out there giving it your all....asswipe.
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2012 07:36 PM (X6akg)
I tried to keep Obama voters home. Better then sitting in a "Romney is going to win" echo chamber.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2012 03:41 PM (iEujK)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 07:30 PM (R9579)
You are painting with a broad brush.... Yes... some Libertarians are overboard... just like some Dems, and some Repubs...
You can make a philisophicaly moral framework without religion, and based on the idea that YOUR Freedom is fine, right up until it infringes on MY Freedom.
Heck, on abortion? I am an anti abortion Libertarian, because Life begins at conception, and the Mother taking that life infringes upon the Freedom of THAT person.
There are also Strong Defense Libertarians... like myself, who take that idea to the International Level.... No, we don't want huge LONGTERM forward deployments (hell, we're still defending GERMANY?)... but we do want a very strong Military available to smack anyone who attacks us up side the head (and yes, this could be done, as in Desert Storm)...
There are Moderate Libertarians out there.... but the term is now tainted by those with extreme views... and some Repubs are now cursing US for the failure of THEIR Campaigns.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 08, 2012 03:41 PM (lZBBB)
Morality is enforced in the laws. When a 17 yo girl has sex with an 18 yo boy and the law is clear, when the D.A. fails to apply the law what morality is enforced?
There is a whole world of unenforced laws.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:41 PM (he2LC)
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Boy, I've been here longer then you've been fapping to MSNBC
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:42 PM (AUeaU)
or anyone, just stay home. I guess I'm the same as you. Only I didnt
vote for romneycare.
Yes, it's hard to choose between being mauled by a lion or being mauled by a house cat, since all maulings are the same.
There's no such thing as degrees of damage. All damage is the same.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:42 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 08, 2012 03:42 PM (2rMmy)
Posted by: McAdams at November 08, 2012 07:13 PM (VyNeh)
Does it not occur to you that it is the minds that is defective? Christianity and Western thought created a civilization that pushed back the darkness. All other nations exhibiting different principles were left in a medieval swamp. THEIR METHODS DO NOT WORK!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:43 PM (R9579)
You must be referring to WWI. The French are pussies. The only thing the know about fighting, they learned from someone else.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012, master of his domain at November 08, 2012 03:44 PM (he2LC)
Posted by: a guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at November 08, 2012 03:45 PM (u18HN)
Back at you. This defeat is significant but not mortal.
As I said before, if Chile can become a successful free-market society, we can throw off Obamacare and everything else he implemented.
The electorate rejected a handful of individual politicians, not an ideology.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:46 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 07:43 PM (R9579)
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Thank you.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:46 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 08, 2012 03:47 PM (bxiXv)
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A rather important point.
Protestant Christianity birthed a free society. By throwing away the former we will remove the latter.
That doesn't mean a theocracy anymore then MA or VA in 1776 were a theocracy. But it does mean that marginalizing religion is a bad, bad idea.
Consider, for example, was the highly Christian Britain of the 1880s more or less libertarian then modern atheist Britain? And as modern Britain sheds ever more of its social traditions, will it become more or less libertarian?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:47 PM (AUeaU)
Posted by: a guy who sometimes posts as Prufrock at November 08, 2012 07:45 PM (u18HN)
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I would stop talking about it (in a political election venue) if they would quit asking me to pay for it.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:47 PM (P6QsQ)
No need to go to LACMA - the American people are going to get it where Mapplethorpe likes it (Notice how I cleverly kept that at a PG-13 rating?)
Posted by: Gerry at November 08, 2012 03:49 PM (i8u8P)
And by ourselves I mean assholes who didn't vote.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:49 PM (VrVBw)
Palin. That's why that old fuck got 60 million votes. Had it not been for her, I doubt he would have surpassed 56.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting Palin could have won this year (or any year). My point is the Romney didn't even beat McCain argument is flawed because he did beat McCain. He didn't beat Palin.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 08, 2012 03:49 PM (HDgX3)
Guess quitting runs in the blood.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:51 PM (VrVBw)
And by ourselves I mean assholes who didn't vote.
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So if Mitt couldn't get the level of conservative support that McCain got...how does that not make him a horrible candidate?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:52 PM (AUeaU)
Actually, the French are total badasses. Their problem in World War II was again their sclerotic leadership.
French tanks in 1940 lacked radios! The commanders had to come out of the hatch and communicate with semaphore flags. So all the tank commanders immediately died, and the Germans--with their radio-equipped tanks--won.
The French army supreme headquarters was run by men who hated telephones, so the building had none. All messages in 1940 were relayed by courier.
The French are kicking ass in Afghanistan, and the French Foreign Legion is one of the best special-operations units in the world.
Republican "ground troops" are like the French foreign legion and the GIGN, but our leaders are the guys who resist putting radios in tanks and telephones in the headquarters.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:52 PM (SI/pw)
Funny how reporters ask Republicans what they would do about abortion in cases of rape, but they won't ask the President about what he would do about an infant born alive but left to die because the scissors to the brain didn't get the job done cleanly.
Let's talk about that, as long as we're going to talk about it.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 03:52 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 07:24 PM (Td9D+)
This is the only point you raise that I see as having significance. A point you failed to mention was how they are educated in the schools.
The tool that primarily shapes the mind of the public is the television. The enemy owns it. We needed to take it away from them, now there is no more time left.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:53 PM (R9579)
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McCain might have been an old fool, but he made one damn good decision in his campaign. Of course, then he threw Palin to the wolves.
I can't believe I'm saying this...but McCain ran a better campaign the Romney. It is like comparing McClellan and Irvin McDowell...but still.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2012 03:54 PM (AUeaU)
Well what do you know? There are millions out there who did just that. I always thought your fairy tales were cute, but they didn't hurt anyone, so whatever. But now your belief in those fairly tales cost us a lot. So from the bottom of my my heart to all you fucking fundamentalist fucks out there I bid you a FUCK YOU and wish you go straight to your imaginary hell.
And not only did you cost us another 4 years of Obama, you have away 2 senate seats because you can't keep your fucking mouth shut about rape and abortion. So fuck you double time you fucking fucks.
There I feel better now.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 08, 2012 03:55 PM (HDgX3)
You clowns took your eye off the endgame of getting Barak Obama out of office. You fuckers dropped the ball. The one group it was said that would not support Mitt actually showed up. The rest of you hypocrites didn't. I guess you put your love of Barak Obama above the good of the country.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:55 PM (VrVBw)
All I can say is that the research is there. Every time a woman bears a son the chance increases by about 1/3rd. If twins are involved later in the birth cycle the percentage goes off the chart for the one with a propensity toward left handedness.
I personally don't understand a propensity toward same sex attraction in males. It's nowhere in my genes, yet I can fully understand women being attracted to women. That one is easy.
What I don't understand is people who fly a Mirror Universe nic who condemn people who, through an accident of nature -- or some part of the grand nature of things, being condemned as 'animals'.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 03:57 PM (feFL6)
Evangelicals showed up.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 03:57 PM (VrVBw)
Posted by
rufock at November 08, 2012 07:26 PM (u18HN)
Given how you behave, hanging separately is not looking so bad right about now.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 08, 2012 03:58 PM (R9579)
I don't even know what a rifle grenade is, but I want one![i/]
It's a hand grenade put in a little cup on the end of a rifle or stuck on the end of the barrel and fired, so it's like being able to throw your grenade hundreds of yards.
You put the butt of the rifle on the ground and fire the grenade with a high, curving trajectory, so you can drop it right on the heads of the people shooting at you.
The French perfected the technique in World War I. When you spot the machine-gun nest, you open fire on it with your light machine gun and shower it with rifle grenades from a long distance, thus covering your hand-grenade throwers and riflemen, who crawl forward until they're within range to finish the job at close quarters.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 03:58 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: mama winger at November 08, 2012 07:47 PM (P6QsQ)
^^^^^
this--
it may still be a moral issue, but if you are paying for it on your own and accepting responsibility for your actions, I feel much less need to lecture you on what is an ethical position related to birth control and abortion or to legislate what you can do with your money.
Never forget tho', that the point of much of this is to support the FSA's quest for more goodies from Uncle Sugar!
Posted by: Hrothgar (Dagny Aficionado )) at November 08, 2012 04:00 PM (Cnqmv)
And not only did you cost us another 4 years of Obama, you have away 2 senate seats because you can't keep your fucking mouth shut about rape and abortion. So fuck you double time you fucking fucks.
There I feel better now.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 08, 2012 07:55 PM (HDgX3)
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You are aware, are you not, that evangelicals were the largest voting block for Romney by far on Tuesday, right? 1 out of 4 votes cast in total for the entire election were cast by evangelicals. 24% of the vote. Of that 24%, fully 79% went to Romney. Evangelicals even outperformed MORMONS in voting for Romney percentage wise. They voted in the same numbers as they did for Bush, and outperformed their votes for McCain by 6%. So I don't know where your anger is coming from, but it's not coming from the facts.
Read the post Ace put up last night on this issue. Evangelicals were the best friend Romney had Tuesday night, by far. It was the moderates who stayed home.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 04:00 PM (P6QsQ)
Yeah, this.
As a Brit, I almost believed that the French tanks had three gears for "reverse". I quit laughing at that joke when I read up on how they conducted Algeria.
A more determined French civilian population in the 1950s, and we'd have a Berber Pope by now.
Posted by: boulder hobo hates the french at November 08, 2012 04:01 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: boulder hobo hates the french but respects their troops at November 08, 2012 04:01 PM (QTHTd)
fundamentalist fucks out there I bid you a FUCK YOU and wish you go
straight to your imaginary hell."
Not even a thanks for our supporting Romney, unlike people like you?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at November 08, 2012 04:02 PM (VrVBw)
Kinda late now, don't you think? Of course I share your repulsion, which I've had for well over five years, since initial research showed that 0bama was entirely comfortable with the idea of taking a freshly brainless infant and stuffing it into a closet until it died.
But all I've seen in Pennsylvania in the past week is commercials of Romney saying something about Roe Vs Wade, which seem to have swung a borderline state into 0bama's column.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 04:04 PM (feFL6)
The most discouraging thing about this defeat is the multitude of wrong lessons Republicans are taking from it. That makes me worried that the next presidential nominee will make fatal mistakes, too.
All you need to do is look at who voted and why.
People voted overwhelmingly on the economy and on women's rights. Romney failed to adequately address the false attacks that he would not be good for the economy and women's rights.
He and Ryan brilliantly addressed Mediscaring, but they underestimated the power the Democrats had to demonize Romney as a "vulture capitalist" who would oppress women's rights.
The electorate rejected Romney the man, not the ideals he represented.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 04:06 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at November 08, 2012 04:07 PM (Td9D+)
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I do think so, yes.
I guess my point was, people say they want SoCons to stop talking about abortion, but from my observation it is the media that keeps forcing the topic. However, only from one side. Their side is never asked to defend their extreme and unpopular positions such as partial birth abortion or even infanticide. It is only SoCons who must defend their positions, and demonized for them.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 04:08 PM (P6QsQ)
And Vietnam. They lost, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
They're about to invade Mali to kick Islamist and Tuareg ass. I'm betting they do a fine job.
Posted by: Llarry at November 08, 2012 04:10 PM (SI/pw)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 08, 2012 04:15 PM (/tk/V)
Yes, they do. With cameras running the entire time, so they can record it, then upload it to YouTube, then selectively edit the clip and run it 24 hours a day 7 days a week in the final week of the campaign in swing states. While something like well over 50% of the population is opposed to abortion when asked, it still becomes an issue which decides election.
So I submit to you as ec ---- from lfg, who you may remember, who is lying?
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 04:15 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: MrX at November 08, 2012 04:15 PM (PxmNZ)
That's what I mean by lying. Someone is.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 08, 2012 04:23 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 08, 2012 08:23 PM (feFL6)
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EC - You've known me a long long time, and this is the end of a dead thread, so I'm going to be honest here and tell you what I texted Little Winger yesterday. "Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against the powers and principalities of the forces of darkness, of wickedness at the highest levels"
We live in a crooked and perverse generation, and the Father of Lies has deluded a great many people, and blinded them to truth . Who is lying? The great Liar. But not forever, and not for long.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 08, 2012 04:29 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: trickamsterdam at November 08, 2012 05:12 PM (uTBHY)
Can anyone with a straight face really say if we get enough Santorum- type Republicans nominated we're going to successfully criminalize abortion?
At best, you'll get it to the state level, in which case all 50 states will have some form of abortion legal.
And even if you could somehow magically accomplish putting this into law over the objections of a huge majority of voters and make an unconstitutional federal law, actually stopping abortion would be about as successful as the War on Drugs.
I don't like losing elections over abstract issues while we're heading over a cliff.
Posted by: Jeepers at November 08, 2012 05:41 PM (XDRsa)
Yes, you can and I say this as a Christian.
I would love to have a majority that shared my faith, but that's just not reality. Even the Bible makes the case that the way of the "world" is much wider than the path of Christians. We're destined to be outnumbered by the immoral.
So what to we do? If we can have a country that allows people to be free and prosperous, I can still go about my way with my morals and others can as well.
It's not ideal, but it's better than having to raise my family in some sort of failed state that's engulfed in chaos.
Posted by: Jeepers at November 08, 2012 06:13 PM (XDRsa)
Posted by: Kathleen at November 08, 2012 07:19 PM (JWT7J)
I called abcnbccbs and told them I blocked them and all their affiliates and other network stations like weatherchannel, cnbc, etc. I actually got through and told them I wouldn't invite liars into my home personally, why would I let them in via TV.
Now, finding their primary sponsors and boycotting them.
Make them irrelevant, there are over 60 million of us. We can do this.
Posted by: ShameTheShameless at November 08, 2012 07:54 PM (TFeHR)
Posted by: CarolT at November 08, 2012 08:11 PM (z4WKX)
The Conservative party in Canada has learned this lesson and learned it well. The socons are welcome in the party but it has been made perfectly clear to them that they will NOT be allowed to hijack it. A private members bill came up in Parliament not long ago that proposed studying the definition of life and when it began. The left immediately spun it as reopening the abortion debate. The Conservatives took the hint and made it clear they would not support the bill, and most of the cabinet voted against it. The bill was resoundingly defeated, and the media STILL scorched one female cabinet minister who voted for it.
Social conservative policies are simply RADIOACTIVE to the electorate at large, ESPECIALLY WOMEN. If Republicans refuse to accept this, they'll never win the presidency again, and perhaps the Senate too.
Take the socons out back and beat them with a shovel until they get it.
Posted by: I.M. at November 09, 2012 04:35 AM (DVQjK)
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