1 Newt's company made $1.5 million ... I think Newt said his part was $35,000 a year.  But it does seem they tried to buy influence ... not sure he gave them that. 

The complain is NOT that Romney made too much, it is about the leveraged buy out era, and whether PE companies built companies, or just came in and leveraged them up and fired people to make them look good to investors, then moved on.  Two decades of leverage and junk bond marketing have left us with a mess.

THAT is the question ... not how much money Romney made.

2 Sour grapes much?

3 Romney blows.

4 I think the Bain Capital attack on Romney was unpleasantly useful, because Romney needs to be prepared for that line of attack should he become the eventual nominee.  It grates that supposed conservative candidates would accept that meme and run with it rather than reject it immediately, but it will be at the heart of any Democrat campaign against Romney.

I am utterly unconvinced by Romney's response to this line of questioning thus far, as well as calls that he release his tax returns.  He is acting like he is hiding something.  Ron Paul, incidentally, refuses to release his tax info as well. 

5 Probably has a mattress filled with silver coins.

6 I didn't watch the debate. Who "won?"

7

If Perry were to find a gila monster in his urinal, he'd blast it with his 9mm.

And the ricochet would hit his foot, if his recent record is any indicator.

8 What the Bain capital attack, and Romney's subsequent debate responses about it, showed me was that he is still entirely unable to explain to voters that it should not be a concern.

It's a good thing this is coming out now, because his flubbing of it the response so far would be a nightmare if this were September or October.

9 I thought it was an OK debate.  The questions were lame, but everyone went after everyone else which was good.

Newt throws out red meat all the time, so it is easy to call it for him.  The debate began with a question about Gingrich's infidelities, which made everyone squirm. but he swatted it away and bashed on CNN and ABC which the crowd loved.

Romney suffered through his second debate deflecting questions about his income and tax returns, which was bad optics.  He tried to rescue it by saying he wouldn't apologize for being successful, but nobody was really asking him to do that.

Luap Nor didn't get any foreign policy questions, so he naturally came off looking less batshit crazy than normal.

Santorum was in a tough spot.  He had to attack bot NG and MR as insufficient candidates for the general election and make the case why he would be better.  He made the argument but I didn't find it convincing.

I thought it was a scrappy debate, good jabs were being made all around.  I could support any of NG, RS, or MR for President if the time comes.

10 well other then his ethanol loving and defending curious not being banned I gotta give my love to Russ here on this one. This is exactly how I feel but when Newt isnt doing the whole class warfare stuff hes on fire. perry really just got desperate at the end there following Newt in that.

11 I'm actually a little irritated by Newt's indignant response to the first question.

Look, Newt, many voters are concerned about your previous behavior. Like it or not, it's a pertinent question.  That response may work in the primary, but it won't work in the general.

12 Attack obama: Attack Attack Attack and then Attack again

13 You know what would make Tom Brady look more tacky?  A 4th ring.

14 I saw the Newt's response to the opening question and I agree with him. What goes on inside a marriage is really no one's business outside the family.
The media covered up for John Edwards, I don't see why Newt family life should be an issue.

15 Fuck Romney. That is all.

16

Sorry, but as much as I would like to see Newt demolish Obama, I don't know that he can win. He's just not a sympathetic or attractive figure. He also has that global warming thing hanging around his neck like a giant albatross. His infidelities gross me out too.

17 He tried to rescue it by saying he wouldn't apologize for being successful, but nobody was really asking him to do that.

Actually, that was very much the intent of the questions about his taxes.  Republicans make a mistake in accepting the premises of questions like these rather than rebuking the questioner for their effrontery.  Romney was at his best on this question when he delivered the not apologizing line, just like Gingrich is at his best when he tells off the press.  I would really love it if Romney would say, "I'm not releasing my taxes because they are none of your business unless you work for the IRS".  Won't happen of course.

18 I stopped watching the debates too, but not because I've already voted. Once St. Sarah received a message from God not to run this time around I swore a blood oath to remain chaste until 2016. Besides, as a Dittohead I don't have any independent much less informed or intelligent thoughts anywhere in my sieve of a brain. What Rush Limbaugh said. I need to be spoon fed my opinions and viewpoints, like a retard receiving their pablum. What Rush Limbaugh said. Ultimately I've decided to vote for Obama in November, to send my messages and to prove my points. I'm a conservative, not a Republican. Principles over politics. Palin-Angle-Buck-Miller-Paladino-Paul-O'Donnell, '16

19 The media covered up for John Edwards, I don't see why Newt family life should be an issue.

Because he is a Republican.

20 Not to get off comment...I fell asleep with the TV on last night and woke up this morning to Ben Affleck in Smokin Aces what a crappy way to start the day. Where is my coffee and DOOM?

21 I am going to get a bunch credit cards, a ninja mortgage, and then a home equity line. I will then stop making payments, hide the cash I got from the credit cards and equity line and tell my creditors to go pound sand. When someone tries to tell me what I did was unethical I will refer them to Romney campaign and say "that's capitalism and how dare you question it you hippie liberal."

22 I think a man's tax return is his own private business.  This populist shit about wanting to see Romney's returns plays right into Obama's class-warfare schtick.  Read Krauthammer's column today.

23 Republicans make a mistake in accepting the premises of questions like these rather than rebuking the questioner for their effrontery.

This. It's the progg equivalent of "When did you stop beating your wife?"  The only response should be "FYNQ", although I'd accept "What percentage of your total income did YOU pay in taxes last year, Mr. Multi-millionaire Talking Head?"

24 What Romney has said is that he WILL release his taxes, just not right now.

Translation:  It's still too early in the process where anything in them could put his candidacy at risk. 

25

RIght now there is not on Republican candidate that I can see myself supporting actively. And I am strongly ABO.

I am committed to working actively at the local levels to ensure the candidates that support my views and postions are elected. I am a conservative libertarian living in a strongly republican district, Michigan 11, and so my efforts will have some effect on who we send to the Michigan house and Senate, and perhaps who we send to the US House and Senate.

But the top to the ticket? I am not sure I will be able to bring myself to endorse any of them. It will be tough to hold my nose and vote for Mitt, maybe too tough. Newt is just not my guy, great in debates, fast on his feet, but not my cup of tea, so to speak. Santorum is good in some aspects, but there is no fire, somehow I think dead fish when I see him. And Ron Paul? I like a lot of what he stands for, and I do not like a lot more of what he stands for. The only reason he may have a miniscule chance at my vote is his strong support in the military, which i do understand. War, in fact, is Hell. I do know that.

So what's a guy to do? Be practical and vote for a candidate who may be able to defeat BHO, or stick to his principles? What a choice.

26 didn't watch the debate.......have caught maybe an hour total of all the debates put together..... i'm sitting out of the az primary......no one left to vote for and may actually not vote in general for the first time ever....if it looks like the r candidate is ahead of the scoamf by enough......

27 Newt helped stop HillaryCare. Mitt gave us Obamacare.

28 Imagine how much more wealth Newt would have if he had invested 300,000 dollars in 1996 instead of having to pay 300,000 for violating House ethics rules and lying to the ethics committee...

29

Romney's accountant has not done anything illegal. It's just jealously and that 99% liberal horseshit that makes all the stupid malcontents pant over the LEFT's poking at Romney's income.

Really, how long are some of you going to accept the left's story lines?

30 My feelings about the candidates can best be expressed by my reactions to their nomination: Santorum - Awesome. I am going to go door-to-door if I have to get this man elected. Gingrich- Meh. I'll support him, but I will be worried about the man going off any second. Romney - Ugh. Wake me up when the general election is over. Paul - So, how difficult is it to obtain Canadian citizenship?

31 About the debates, though, are there seriously people still undecided? What, 5,000 debates plus a world of research available at your fingertips aren't enough to decide? Seriously?

32 Everyone is so touchy that candidates are actually being vetted along Demonazi lines of reasoning. This is what is supposed to happen. Given Willard's financial muscle Newt is right to attack him per the Chicongoland perspective. If Willard wins SC, then he is the candidate. If Newt wins SC, then the process continues. I am so looking forward to the vetting that MSM will unleash on Sparky. Way overdue. If any of this vetting were performed in teh 08 cycle we would have had either Hillary or Granpa Simpson as prez for the last 3 years. Just sayin. One thing this process is accomplishing is to winnow a weak field and strengthen the ultimate candidate.

33 Debates?

Oh, that Norman fellow in that movie.

34 @24 that is the equivalent of "we have to pass the bill to see what's in it..."

35 President Barack Obama’s decision yesterday to reject a permit for TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline may prompt Canada to turn to China for oil exports. Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in a telephone call yesterday, told Obama “Canada will continue to work to diversify its energy exports,” according to details provided by Harper’s office. Canadian Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver said relying less on the U.S. would help strengthen the country’s “financial security.” The “decision by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market,” Oliver told reporters in Ottawa. Outstanding. We can't drill here and now we are pissing off Canada. obama is on a roll

36 I was sort of down with Mitt despite the Bush 41 vibes, but that performance last night was a huge red flag- stuttering and the awful tax dodge. Guy is getting worse not better

37 I am so looking forward to the vetting that MSM will unleash on Sparky.

Hahahahaaha.

That was a joke, right?

38 Mr. obama your done fucking up America's Energy supplies, what are you going to do now? obama: I'm going to Disney World!

39 I was a warehouse mgr for a medium sized typewriter company in Peoria. I had a great job and I was feeding my family. I also had 24 weeks of vacation. We used the shit out of our 35ft camper. I also had 12 weeks of sick days built up. Camper. Awesome. One of the great things was that on odd days I would have my buddy Zeke punch my time card in the morning so I could do heroin. Then I'd punch Zeke in on even days so he could hit the crack pipe. We had internet in my office so I could check out whosebungholeisit.com all frickin' day. I jacked off so much, I had to get plastic covers for everything. My office looked like Grandma Sylvia's living room at her house in Hoopeston. Sure, union dues were a little high, but what do you want for full medical coverage with an elective surgery rider? I got a breast reduction last year. I can't hide my Swiss Cake Rolls under my man-jugs anymore, but I could go shirtless at the company picnic and not feel like not one of the guys. Romney and Bain came in and took it all away. I thought it was all about jobs.

40 why do they have to release tax records?

41 NEWT!!!
Bitches!!!

42

I wonder if Obama has an "open marriage" with that Pokistoni he was living with in college?

Really, every tax/Bain/Newt penis question should be answered with questions about Obama's property, sex life, love life, et al.

43 Did you watch the debate? He'll release them after he files them this year.

44 why not release 2010 return?  sounds like some serious income massaging going on.

45 Good one.

46 When Gingrich advised his tax returns were being released on line during the debate Romney should have asked him if the returns included the income he earned at Fannie Mae as a historian. And that he put down the correct amount. Also the more I see the reruns of Newt exhibiting his arrogant outrage that someone dare bring up aspects of his personal life and the audience give a standing ovation makes me at the least disappointed. I wish he would have skewered King on another subject besides this. His outrage and the audiences reaction is the complete opposite of their rightfully and correct reaction with Clinton.

47 That crazy eyed platinum blond cunt (23 years his junior) who participated in a six year affair with Newt Gingrich, fucking him in his then wife's bed, will never be the first lady of this country.  That is a simple fact you all need to get your head around right now.

Newt's self-righteous anger act is not going to work in the general. EVERY time any question of moral values or trust comes up he is going to be on defense, waiting for those inevitable questions regarding his personal integrity.  You fuckers can bash Romney all you want but those are the facts.  We will lose with Gingrich, period.

48 why do they have to release tax records?

So they MFM can act like it's a horrifying new development that capital gains and dividends are taxed at different rates from ordinary income.

49 I can't remember, but how did Hillary respond four years ago when the debate moderators grilled her about her marital relationship?

50 >>> "Fannie & Freddie are giant, smoking holes in the ground that the Federal Government is still shoveling cash into to keep the fires burning."

I love the Money Hole!

51 Ken got new Mittens for Christmas!

52 Why do we care about Romney's taxes? He paid them or the feds would be having a cow and frog marching him around. So why? We're suddenly OWS hippies?

53 Let's not forget that the corruption in Newt's life doesn't stop at the bedroom door. He loves him some graft to go with his ass.

54

48why do they have to release tax records?

So they MFM can act like it's a horrifying new development that capital gains and dividends are taxed at different rates from ordinary income.

Same reason you release your college transcripts and accept matching campaign funds - so the press can call you dumb and limit your resources. Hopefully, whoever is our candidate, that they like Sparky refuse matching funds. Lets pop a few statist mindsets using Sparky's tactics. You know the dyke on MSNBC will be all en feugo if unlimited funds are at play in this election. Somehow they will have to find a reason to blame a pubbie for this act.

55 So they MFM can act like it's a horrifying new development

thought it was more about the cayman accts, which be listed on sched d.

56

Why do we care about Romney's taxes?

Pay no attention to that fucked-up economy due to SCOAMF's policies behind the curtain.

57 I think the best part was "I'm tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans."

Every Republican running for office needs to repeat that over and over. Say it to themselves each morning in the mirror until it sinks in: The media is not your friend, will not help you and any attack on a rival is merely in furtherance of advancing the Democrat agenda.

58 If Mitt had any tyep of problem with his taxes, don't you think the IRS would have audited him, most likely publicly, and then broadcast it across the MSM? Of course. No one is naive enough to think otherwise are they?

59 any other moronette  sense that newt isust a gamma creep trying to ape his pal slick willie?

60 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

61

He paid taxes on the money that went to the Caymans. The money went there so that it could be borrowed by foreign investors. There is nothing wrong with that. I would like to have enough cash to put in a Cayman acct so that it could be borrowed at a higher rate but that would be a decision made by my fucking accountant.

The media is expert at throwing out doggie treats and making people SNAP at them.

62 jeanne scary that clinton told him he was just like him.......eeeeeebie jeeeeebies......

63 The Obama administration is moving ahead with plans for negotiating with the Taliban, confident that talks offer the best chance to end the 10-year-old war in Afghanistan. But the military worries things are moving too fast, and intelligence agencies offered a gloomy prognosis in their latest Afghanistan report. When ya can't surrender fast enough, who do you call: obama

64 Ken got new Mittens for Christmas!

I am just saying, we are not going to end up with a cheap, opportunistic whore as the first lady.  Maybe the Democraps could get away with that but the party of family values should not be involved in doing that. 

The only reason Gingrich is still in this race is because of all the red meat he throws our way.  In the general the audiences will not be people like us, he is not going to get wild standing ovations for yelling at the media.

65 He paid taxes on the money that went to the Caymans. The money went there so that it could be borrowed by foreign investors. There is nothing wrong with that. I would like to have enough cash to put in a Cayman acct so that it could be borrowed at a higher rate but that would be a decision made by my fucking accountant. The media is expert at throwing out doggie treats and making people SNAP at them. Posted by: dagny at January 20, 2012 09:34 AM (Ke2m6) Ah ya don't need that much money. I have money in Camden...oh ya mean the Caymans? I thought you said Camden NJ....Never mind

66 I recommend reading the Ethics Committee report on Gingrich, and compare that with the media spin on what actually occurred.

Sept. 7, 1994 --  Ben Jones files complaint against Gingrich.

Jan. 17, 1997 -- Ethics committee votes 7 - 1 for the reprimand and fine.

From the Gingrich ethics committee report at page 92

"Subcommittee and the Special Counsel recommend that the appropriate sanction should be a reprimand and a payment reimbursing the House for some of the costs of the investigation in the amount of $300,000."

The ethics committee heard from an "expert" on tax law and 501(c)3 organizations who determined Gingrich violated tax law governing charities.

The IRS, concluding a three-year investigation, ruled that the Progress and Freedom Foundation's donations to Gingrich were "consistent with its stated exempt purposes," and Gingrich's course and course book "were educational in content."

67 Are people here really morons? This is politics. That means rationality doesn't mean sh**. Romney is toast unless he can come up with a political answer to his wealth. He should ask Palin what he should say. She's the closest thing to a real politician these days. Newt (funny Newt seems like a last name) is a loose cannon. Palin wants to keep him in play. What does that tell you?

68 WASHINGTON - US President Barack Obama told Time Magazine that the "bonds of trust" that he has formed have made his diplomatic endeavors more effective – listing Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan as being among the friends he has made during his presidency. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was left out of Obama's shortlist, which included German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and British premier David Cameron, in addition to Erdogan. Not only is it sad and against all traditional American Interests, but the cock sucking commie bastard is proud of it and brags about it!

69 Mitt's returns are an issue because he flip flopped, originally stating he would break precedent and NOT release them.  Now he is still flopping around, leading to questions about what he might be hiding.

Newt has issues ... I wasn't paying attention in the 90's ... I have to wonder how much of his "problems" were due to standing up against the RINO's. 

Sununu gave us Souter ... and many hold grudges and against Newt.  It is clear that media and politicians will go for personal destruction of anyone that doesn't "play ball" with their big government plans.

But then Newt had to sit with Pelosi on that park bench ... and supported the health care mandate ... still, even Krauthammer says he does best at explaining the conservative vision. 

70 oops sock off

71 65He paid taxes on the money that went to the Caymans. The money went there so that it could be borrowed by foreign investors. There is nothing wrong with that. I would like to have enough cash to put in a Cayman acct so that it could be borrowed at a higher rate but that would be a decision made by my fucking accountant.

The media is expert at throwing out doggie treats and making people SNAP at them.

Posted by: dagny at January 20, 2012 09:34 AM (Ke2m6)

Ah ya don't need that much money. I have money in Camden...oh ya mean the Caymans? I thought you said Camden NJ....Never mind It was his company's money to risk. Why does the press not get interested in the tax money sent overseas to build electric cars and solar cells by the smartest one ever? I believe Bain did earn money on their money in the Caymans, how well has Sparky's transformative investments worked out for us?

72 Corporal, I remember it well. Are you claiming Newt was clean?

73 47 That crazy eyed platinum blond cunt (23 years his junior) who participated in a six year affair with Newt Gingrich, fucking him in his then wife's bed, will never be the first lady of this country.  That is a simple fact you all need to get your head around right now.

Newt's self-righteous anger act is not going to work in the general. EVERY time any question of moral values or trust comes up he is going to be on defense, waiting for those inevitable questions regarding his personal integrity.  You fuckers can bash Romney all you want but those are the facts.  We will lose with Gingrich, period.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 20, 2012 09:26 AM (9zzk+)

Not defending Gingrich but wasn't the "crazy eyed platinum blond" doing to ol marianne exactly what ol marianne did to Newt's first wife?  Both marianne and callista managed to get him to leave his wife which is something they usually say but never do.  It's tough to look at he reality of what goes on, it's a man's world still and not everyone is as pure as mittens, santorum, paul and obama.   At least 50% of the folks have been divorced and not everyone has the perfect wife and family to display to the masses.

74 Funny how Gingrich was fined over books, meanwhile obama has his fucking state department buy up hundreds of thousands of his books and no one bats an eye.

75 As I said in the other thread, nobody left but assholes.

76 Ken the audiences will be 42% us and 23% them (Mostly louder) and 35 % squishy middle..  That is why it is called the gotta have part.  Don't be afraid to fight in the general. IT IS WHAT WINS LANDSLIDES!!!  SO far the states have ALL had OPEN primaries..  HMMMM.

77 >>Why do we care about Romney's taxes? Because Newt made it a campaign issue. Newt has been running as a leftist, anti-business, anti-success know nothing and he keeps getting cheers because he's not Romney. I'd like to see Romney say he will release his tax records when Newt releases the details of the ethics investigation against him. After all, we don't want to be surprised when Obama brings it up. And Obama will. All of it. Who cares if Newt was partially exonerated? There is nothing illegal in Romney's tax returns but Newt has tried to imply that over and over. Obama will do the same thing with Newt's ethics charges to greater effect.

78 France mulls early Afghanistan exit as 4 killed By Deb Riechmann and Sylvie Corbet - The Associated Press Posted : Friday Jan 20, 2012 9:30:26 EST KABUL, Afghanistan — France suspended its training operations in Afghanistan and threatened to withdraw its entire force from the country early, after an Afghan wearing an army uniform shot and killed four French troops Friday and wounded others. I'd make a joke about this, but with obama in the White House, I'm not in a funny mood

79 why do they have to release tax records?

Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 20, 2012 09:22 AM (Ho2rs)

What Mitt and other Republicans should say when the MFM demands every bit of information out of them is, I'll release that information when Barry releases his college transcripts. Or hit the MFM on going after Barry for his information which they will never do. It's beyond disgusting the MFM creamed their panties over Sarah Palin's emails yet Barry could be a mass murder and the MFM would turn a blind eye to it.

80 I was disappointed that not one of these guys swatted away one of the lame John King questions and went on an extended attack of Obama's Keystone policy and general energy and job killing policies. Pure hanging slow ball. Other than that Newt won. Romney really needs to up his game with regards to Bain. That's the Obama campaign in total. Santorum, eh. I could live with him, maybe, but he's got to find a way to attack and point out his strengths w/o sounding like the captain of the AV club trying to chat up a girl. Looks too nervous and talks too much.

81 #66 one of the reasons they made Gingrich pay was that his actions during the investigation was ,to be kind, not very forthcoming which caused undue expenses.

82 My friend Whorealdo and Chris Wallace went after newt this morning on Fox. Whorealdo had the stupidity to challenge newt to a three hour Lincoln Douglas debate on his curvy couch.
Just let me be clear when Whorealdo asked me aboard his yacht and offered to share HIS dingy with me and his body guard and his wife I told him NO.
I am not into foursomes with race baiting trial lawyers turned talk show court jester!
That said if Whorealdo is serious I suggest he bring me on board this debate to save his ass when Newt shows, for all to see that Whorealdos  mental capacity is as vacuous as Al Capones vault.

as far as Wallace saying it was a perfectly good first question and he would have asked it too?
Well a week after the last time Chris questioned newt he was still putting lotion on it so i say, ah, NO, Wallace isn't going to ask for another ass pounding by the munchkin with the brain and the mouth.

83

76Ken the audiences will be 42% us and 23% them (Mostly louder) and 35 % squishy middle.. That is why it is called the gotta have part. Don't be afraid to fight in the general. IT IS WHAT WINS LANDSLIDES!!! SO far the states have ALL had OPEN primaries.. HMMMM.

Catman, the reason Newt is still in it and leading in SC is that Willard like Sparky is seen as cold and removed. There doesn't seem to be any there, there. Willard may win the nom, but his lack of personal appeal coupled with his wonkishness does not bode well for the general. Why do I see Dole, McCain and Ford when I watch Willard speak? This is a problem. Maybe Newt can shake him up a bit and improve his performance. So far Willard is all "play it safe." Does he have a temperature?

84 The MSM is NOT going to ask any questions that either Help the Republicans or hurts obama. I'd be baning both obama and the MSM on every single question

85

I know this is a bit of a heresy to say here in Moronville, but I never quite understood the fascination with Perry. Sure, he has a nice record of job growth in Texas but, honestly, so what? It's not as if he inherited a Democrat Workers' Paradise like - ahem - Massachusetts and turned it into a job-manufacturing Fredonia. He took a small tax, small government state and managed to not dork it up. That's certainly better than dorking it up, of course. But seriously, what sort of governemnt a President Perry be looking at? The Workers' Paradise or Fredonia?

86

I didn't watch the debate last night. Truth be told, I haven't watched any of them since January third. Why? Because I've already voted (uhm, IOWA, remember), so it's not like any of this will influence my decision.

Well the guy is still campaigning for the 10th ammendment, so he's OK in my book.

Let him who has no one who wants to see his penis get bitten off toss the first gila monster.

87 Like anyone's gonna actually influence other morons on this blog about their choice of nominees at this point. And like it would matter.

I was looking for a little inspiration and a touch of passion to motivate me to work for a candidate. Maybe there will be some rejuvenation after the nomination process is over, I don't know, it's been pretty ugly & our candidates are pretty dismal. If not, I'll just get drunk & pull the R lever on Election Day. Hell, I'll do that anyway

88

Err... wtf? Meant to quote this:

(My vote in the caucus? Perry. That 'tard had a conservative record as governor of Texas, but after his "clown show" of going after Romney from the left on this issue I'm sort of hoping that he finds a Gila Monster in his urinal, IYKWIMAITTYD.)

89 What Mitt and other Republicans should say when the MFM demands every bit of information out of them is, I'll release that information when Barry releases his college transcripts.

Or his records on Fast and Furious, or tells his A.G. to back off the voter ID lawsuits, or fires his lawless AG.

90 I'm not at home, so I don't have my bookshelves handy but I must have half a dozen politics/current events books that at least mention Newt's issues. I'll dig in later. He wasn't extraordinarily corrupt, but he was corrupt. And Newt did himself no favors throughout the process. I remember the political theater more than I remember some of the charges.

91 Newt didn't just attack the media. He also denied the charge and said he was sorry. Last night and in the past he has said he was wrong, and that he has asked for forgiveness from his family and God. I understand concern if your personal life interferes with your job (ala bubba c.), but if not this is all one big BS soap opera.

92

I was disappointed that not one of these guys swatted away one of the lame John King questions and went on an extended attack of Obama's Keystone policy and general energy and job killing policies.

Well maybe you should have watched the debate.

I think two or three of them did that.

93 So Russ, you're too cool to watch the debate but you're going to misquote Newt and give us your uninfomed opinion anyways?  Well some co-bloggers are better than others, I guess.

94 Newt doesn't think Mitt made too much money at Bain Capital. Newt thinks if he accuses Mitt of making too much money at Bain Capital, Mitt will stand there with a dumb look on his face, and act like he never heard of this "making money" thing Newt is talking about. See the difference?

95 Here's a link to a transcript of the debate.  link

96 There's an easy way to figure out the Mitt vs. Newt thing.

If you had a son, which candidate would you have him emulate - hold up as a role model?

97

That crazy eyed platinum blond cunt (23 years his junior) who participated in a six year affair with Newt Gingrich, fucking him in his then wife's bed, will never be the first lady of this country. That is a simple fact you all need to get your head around right now.

Rick Santorum's ditzy wife, in her 20's, had a long term sexual relationship with the 60 year old geezer doctor who delivered her as an infant.

Also, he was an abortionist.

That's kind of creepy.

What kind of 20 year old dates a 60 year old? I've met those girls... they usually don't date people their age. Daddy issues. Almost universally screwed in the head.

98 >>Newt doesn't think Mitt made too much money at Bain Capital. Newt thinks if he accuses Mitt of making too much money at Bain Capital, Mitt will stand there with a dumb look on his face, and act like he never heard of this "making money" thing Newt is talking about. No. And why is Newt running as a lefty? Since when did Republicans decide that anyone made too much money? That's Obama's shtick.

99 Because it's not the 1950's I don't care about the First Lady. As long as she keeps her trap shut and doesn't involve herself in politics (after the election) I don't care about the First Lady. I was electing the President. I don't look at the First Family as guidance or an example or anything else. I only liked Nancy Reagan because she kept her mouth shut. Barbara Bush....meh...evidently pro abortion, can't stand her. Hillary...too political...tried to make policy. Hate her. Laura Bush...kept her trap shut...liked her. Michelle Obama...keeps trying to run my life via legislation...hate her. I don't want an activist First Lady. I don't care about her "pet project" they are normally stupid anyway. Why are you idiots fixated on Gingrich's wife? Santorum's sounds like she was a whore when she was young. Loved that abortion doctor. Yeah, she seems great! Get over it.

100

That crazy eyed platinum blond cunt (23 years his junior) who participated in a six year affair with Newt Gingrich, fucking him in his then wife's bed, will never be the first lady of this country. That is a simple fact you all need to get your head around right now.

Mitt Romney and his wife were pro-choice before he decided to run for President.

Also, mormons believe that Jesus wasn't particularly special, you too can become the Jesus-like godhead of your own universe.

In fact if you start digging, it does very much seem to be the 19th century version of Scientology. I would never put a scientologist in the white house.

101 That crazy eyed platinum blond cunt (23 years his junior) who participated in a six year affair with Newt Gingrich, ...  , will never be the first lady of this country. That is a simple fact you all need to get your head around right now.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 20, 2012 09:26 AM (9zzk+)

 

She's still more palatable than the current first wookie lady.

102 why do they have to release tax records? Posted by: phoenixgirl....a voter without a candidate at January 20, 2012 09:22 AM (Ho2rs) They don't; it's a bunch of self-imposed bullshit to suck up to a Media that never showed the slightest interest about ANYTHING in Obama's past... not his confessed drug abuse, his self-confessed wasted High School Years (and how they didn't impact his ability to get into elite schools), not his medical records (and what they might say about the extent of his drug abuse), his college transcripts, his Master's Thesis, his past associations... NONE of it matters. But of course... Romney MUST release his tax forms, to confirm the deep dark Media fears that Romney actually followed the tax laws. Amazing.

103 96 - If this were a race for Boy Scout troop leader, it would be Mitt, without question. But it's not.

104

What kind of 20 year old dates a 60 year old? I've met those girls... they usually don't date people their age. Daddy issues. Almost universally screwed in the head.

Posted by: Entropy at January 20, 2012 09:57 AM (mf67L)

 

Ahh - finally, something to look forward to in my old age.

105

If you had a son, which candidate would you have him emulate - hold up as a role model?

If my son was a politician I'd disown him.

106 98 - You don't understand, Jack. You really don't. Your boy, Mitt, is being exposed as an empty suit. That's what this is about. If you want an empty suit in the White House, fine. But don't pretend you believe Newt is a lefty. I know you know he's not.

107 Vote Ron Paul. Because, just fuck it.

108 If you had a son, which candidate would you have him emulate - hold up as a role model? If my son was a politician I'd disown him. Posted by: Entropy at January 20, 2012 10:02 AM (mf67L) If my son became a politician, he'd be in a world of shit, since I have 2 daughters?

109 103

Key word: Leader.

110 What impact, if any, will the Cain/Colbert alliance have on the SC election?

111 I am just saying, we are not going to end up with a cheap, opportunistic whore as the first lady.

Dude, that train left three years ago.

112 Aren't the key words "having a brass set"?

113 I don't care who attacks whom. That's politics. It's the RESPONSE that shows what you're made of. Gingrich was wrong (any conservative is) to attack Mitt on Bain or any money making deal. It's Mitt's lack of fight that is pathetic. He should be continually fighting for himself, capitalism and wealth. We know nothing is wrong with that? Why can't he articulate that?

114 Definitely glad I've joined Team Meteor.

Maybe I can vote Cthulhu/Xipe Totec this time around.

115 109 - Ummm, no. Key word, President. Mitt's a nice guy. He really really is. But that kind of "leadership" is not what this country needs right now.

116 Yeah, Mitt is the empty suit. The guy who spent his career creating real wealth and real jobs. Whereas Newt, who tackles pressing real world issues like how to organize Fannie Mae's filing cabinet, is the epitome of gravitas.

117 I wish the candidates would pick a running mate now. That would sure tell us a lot.

118 Why are you idiots fixated on Gingrich's wife? Santorum's sounds like she was a whore when she was young. Loved that abortion doctor. Yeah, she seems great! Get over it. Posted by: mare
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You may not care, but millions of voters will.  We live in a fucked up country where New Jersey Housewives and the Kardashian gals are all the public wants to see.

You really expect a juicy story of Newt and his dalliances and how he fucked over his two previous wives will not be the headlines for many months to come? If so, you are stupid, or at the very least naive.

119 The chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona is refusing to testify before Congress regarding Operation Fast and Furious, the federal gun-running scandal that sent U.S. weapons to Mexico. Patrick J. Cunningham informed the House Oversight Committee late Thursday through his attorney that he will use the Fifth Amendment protection. Cunningham was ordered Wednesday to appear before Chairman Darrell Issa and the House Oversight Committee regarding his role in the operation that sent more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa Cartel. Guns from the failed operation were found at the murder scene of Border Agent Brian Terry. January 25, 2011: A cache of seized weapons used in the ATF gun-running operation 'Fast and Furious' is displayed at a news conference in Phoenix. The letter from Cunningham’s Washington DC attorney stunned congressional staff. Last week, Cunningham, the second highest ranking U.S. Attorney in Arizona, was scheduled to appear before Issa‘s committee voluntarily. Then, he declined and Issa issued a subpoena. Most Ethical Administration ever?

120 Yeah, Mitt is the empty suit. The guy who spent his career creating real wealth and real jobs. Whereas Newt, who tackles pressing real world issues like how to organize Fannie Mae's filing cabinet, is the epitome of gravitas. Posted by: Lincolntf
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Hey now.. Newt gave them a history lesson for that 1.6 million!  That's gotta be hard work!

121 >>You don't understand, Jack. You really don't. Your boy, Mitt, is being exposed as an empty suit. That's what this is about. If you want an empty suit in the White House, fine. But don't pretend you believe Newt is a lefty. I know you know he's not. Please. Newt is getting traction in SC and almost nowhere else. SC is his neighborhood just like NH was for Romney. He has spent most of his campaign on a one state strategy and has been tossing out the lefty attack position because that's what SC loves. Newt was the one who made bogus charges against private equity which got traction with people who know dick about how private equity works. Newt was the one who demanded Romney release his tax records not the media. Newt is running a scorched earth campaign that will play in SC and pretty much nowhere else. Newt is down over 20 points in FL which comes soon. He has no money for big media market states like FL nor does he have any organization in the states that follow. Newt is likely to get his pyrrhic victory in SC and then he will start to fall away. You think SC is the end of the race? It has only just begun. Hey, did you notice that Bob McDonnell endorsed Romney today? Did you notice that Rob Portman did yesterday? More RINOs are coming onboard everyday.

122 111 - Grover Cleveland married a girl more than 30 years younger than him when he was President. And she was sorta his foster daughter (he was her legal guardian, or something like that) before she was his wife. First Lady: not the most important "job" in a Presidential Administration.

123 It's Mitt's lack of fight that is pathetic. He should be continually fighting for himself, capitalism and wealth. We know nothing is wrong with that? Why can't he articulate that?

Because he's a liberal and doesn't really believe it.  As a rich, white, male, liberal, he has this great sense of guilt.  Not enough to overcome the enormous ego he also has, but enough that it's hard for him actually to defend the way in which he made all of his money.

As for the Tax Returns- at this point it's just accepted.  Many moons ago, someone should have said, "F that, it's not your business," and killed the notion in its proverbial cradle.  They didn't, and any candidate who tries to do so now would be excoriated in the media.

Remember that Rick Perry managed never to debate (or maybe they only had one debate... I can't remember) with Bill White in 2010, because Perry made a requirement of having any debates that Bill White release his tax returns.  It hurt Mr. White more not to release his returns than it hurt Perry (as the incumbent) not to have a debate.

124 96There's an easy way to figure out the Mitt vs. Newt thing.

If you had a son, which candidate would you have him emulate - hold up as a role model?

Posted by: franksalterego at January 20, 2012 09:57 AM (9XykO)

NOT how I would do it cause I want a Tazmanian devil to take on the commie Rat Bastards and Newt is the closest thing to that we have.

Newt has the added advantage of knowing where the bodies are buried and the skeletons hidden so he could call up Boehner or McConnell and say pass the goddamn thing or national Enquirer and your wife will be getting a call from Trixy, Dixie and Chyrstal, get my drift? you do remeber those ladies don't you? from the party the other night it appeared you know each other rather well and the girls are looking to take some cash from my pass the goddamn thing fund.

 

Besides some dork might answer your question with barrack OBlahBLah!

125
Whatever voters in South Carolina decide it increasingly appears that Mitt Romney will be the nominee as all Republicans from center-right to very conservative seek for the nominee who can win, not debates with MSM moderators, but an election against Barack Obama.

A national election in deeply troubled times cannot be won by grandiosity, but by sober, specific, competent plans communicated by a confident, experienced leader of accomplishment and character.

Hugh Hewitt - 1/20/12



"With legs that go all the way up *sigh*"

126 Here is the problem with the remaining crop (RP excluded). They are all big government conservatives. If mandates weren't part of Obamacare they would be for mandates. They would all sign on to some scheme to reduce carbon emissions. They see no problem with federal mandates to local schools. The incandescent bulb ban, hardly talked about at all. The TSA naked picture scanners, not a peep. Increased CAFE standards? Did anyone say they will roll them back?

127 That story about Santorums wife is definitely weird, and how the hell does that stuff become public knowledge?

128 Why do I have the feeling that, as I drive to the polls this Saturday, I'll still be trying to decide who I'm going to vote for? 

I do lean Gingrich, but I worry about his appeal to the moderates.  Will he scare them off?  I'm resigned to the fact that it's either him or Romney.  Each one is going to be attacked...hard...by the left for their own weaknesses.  Of course, the MSM being the MFM, Obama still will remain unvetted, unquestioned and unconfronted.  I'm trying to evaluate who is going to come off better to the frigging moderates after the bowel dissection they're going to get from the media during the race to the general. 

Last night's debate left me worried about Mittens performance in the future when he gets hit hard and heavy on his financial successes.  I don't for one second believe he did anything illegal, yet how will the mushy moderates -- already stewing in Obama's class warfare -- take him?  He's not very convincing when he stutters and stammers.  If I were him, I would simply not release my returns.  Why the hell should he?  Obama released nothing and nobody cared.  We're left to speculate this or that, yet without proof, he can't be held to account.  Romney should let everyone flap in the wind, imo.  And he should remind everyone, every step of the way, that Obama hasn't released his transcripts, college papers, medical records...and it took 2 years to get a birth cert after he was elected. 

129

I don't think it is that Mitt is getting worse at these debates.  It is just becoming much more apparent that he is not as good of a debater as people think.  He is not doing himself any favors though - on questions such as releasing his tax returns.  I don't care whether he releases them or not.  And if you are going to release them April 15, then just say that and stop talking.  He hates dead air, so he keeps talking and it just comes across as disingenuous. 

Newt is the best debater no doubt.  And while I think his media rightousness is working in the primary, I do think he will have to abandon it in the general.  At least when it comes to his personal life.  If he is the nominee, I hope he continues to "fight" the media on their race baiting and other gotcha questions.

Santorum is serving a purpose for me in this debate, but it is in exposing Mitt.  Santorum is acting like an experienced prosecutor setting up Mitt and then attacking him.  This brings Mitt down, but it doesn't make me like Santorum any more.  But since I am anti-Mitt - or want to at least see Mitt convince me to vote for him - I am finding it helpful.

I may be in the minority here, but I found last night's discussion on abortion very good.  I don't understand why people think it should not be discussed when it is a major (if not the most important) plan of the GOP platform.  The pro-life debate is a proxy for a lot of other issues - notably the nomination of justices.  And while I wish we could have a 15 minute discussion on judges, this will have to serve.  It is very easy to claim to be pro-life - as every GOP candidate must.  And I do believe they are all pro-life to some degree.  But it is in the degree that matters.  I am confident that Santorum and Newt would nominate justicies who would likely overturn Roe v. Wade (or restrict it).  If they are willing to do that, then they are likely willing to take other conservative positions on cases before the SC.  I have no confidence that Mitt would.  Santorum was right last night - you have to explicity say funds will not be used for abortion.  All pro-life politicians know that.  It is telling that Mitt did not even push for that.  Will he use any political capital on this issue.  Again nothing in his past suggest he will.

And contrary to conventional wisdom, this is not a losing issue for the GOP.  Our candidates do not lose when they expres a pro-life position. 

130

My hunch is that Obama&Co wants to run against Newt because he's the weakest candidate in the general election..........baggage doesn't even to begin to describe that load he drags around, not to mention he's personally 1) ugly and 2) a hypocrit to the nines.

Obama looks damn good to the independents if you stand him next to Newt.  And Newt's alleged skill at debating can be defanged in a second by the moderators.  Newt = 4 more years of Obama.

131 Chi-town, If you think Mitt allowing everyone to walk all over him is Presidential and you think his idiotic religion is going to play well, you are stupid, or at the very least naive.

132 I'll still be trying to decide who I'm going to vote for?

Write in Cthulhu.

133 You know the one line that sticks in my head was when perry said something about if you cheat on your wife you'll cheat on your business partner and I took business partner to mean the American people.

That's stuck with me and is coloring the way I view things.

134 That story about Santorums wife is definitely weird, and how the hell does that stuff become public knowledge? Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2012 10:12 AM (hiMsy) because many people are scumbags--like the doc who slept with Santorum's wife even though he delivered her????--and the MSM is out to destroy any and all Republicans

135 121 - I know, Jack. Lots of people are really scared the Team Romney won't win. Their careers are on the line here. I understand that, and it makes sense to me that winning this election in November is the most precious thing in the world to them. Me? I'm more concerned about what happens after the election. Mitt wants FREE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE FOR ALL! Newt says loopy things sometimes. I'll take loopy over committed socialism, thanks. You're free to disagree.

136 That story about Santorums wife is definitely weird, and how the hell does that stuff become public knowledge?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2012 10:12 AM (hiMsy)

MFM: Because we are scandal mongers except when it comes to Democrats then we turn a blind eye

137 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2012 10:12 AM (3wBRE) Ah, you do know that Hugh Hewitt is wrong about 92% of the time. He's such a blow hard, our TWO conservative stations won't put him on until 1:00 AM. I still laugh recalling his on air rant about how grandma is going to lose her pension if we don't support the stimulus....what an idiot. At least he admitted he was wrong.

138 Morons, the candidates know they already have our vote. This shit is all about the independents and Democrats. Relax. Obama can't win again. The fix is already in.

139

"I'm not questioned on character or integrity very often."

I'm sure if he asked nicely, the Left would leave him alone in the general.

140 The letter from Cunningham’s Washington DC attorney stunned congressional staff. Last week, Cunningham, the second highest ranking U.S. Attorney in Arizona, was scheduled to appear before Issa‘s committee voluntarily. Then, he declined and Issa issued a subpoena.


Most Ethical Administration ever?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 20, 2012 10:10 AM (i6RpT)

Ethics schmethics- he got a better offer to keep his trap shut.

141 "And Newt's alleged skill at debating can be defanged in a second by the moderators. Newt = 4 more years of Obama." Huh? When did that ever happen? Moderators are shaking in their boots addressing Newt.

142 >>Me? I'm more concerned about what happens after the election. Mitt wants FREE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE FOR ALL! Well that's a shame because you have had socialized medicine since Reagan signed EMTALA in 1986. Yea, that Ronald Reagan. One of the biggest unfunded mandates ever to come out of DC. All we have doing since is arguing whether we pay for it with higher taxes or some other method but we are all paying for socialized medicine. Maybe you should look it up.

143 Hey, did you notice that Bob McDonnell endorsed Romney today? Did you notice that Rob Portman did yesterday? More RINOs are coming onboard everyday. Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2012 10:11 AM (TMB3S) Just what we need. It worked out great in 2008, why McCain has done a great job as President the last 3 years.

144 That story about Santorums wife is definitely weird, and how the hell does that stuff become public knowledge?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2012 10:12 AM (hiMsy)

Finding things like that and making them public seems to be one of Axelrod's specialties.

145 Every time another RINO endorses Mitt, Newt looks better. 133 You know the one line that sticks in my head was when perry said something about if you cheat on your wife you'll cheat on your business partner and I took business partner to mean the American people. That's stuck with me and is coloring the way I view things. Posted by: c. up at January 20, 2012 10:14 AM (oZfic) C, Perry endorsed Newt.

146 If you think Mitt allowing everyone to walk all over him is Presidential and you think his idiotic religion is going to play well, you are stupid, or at the very least naive.

Posted by: mare
.........
Mitt is saving up for the general.  He will go full-on against Obama, but he's not going to do it in the primaries.

And, to be honest, no one but romney-haters really sees this "being walked all over" in these debates.  It has become a convenient meme, however.

Mormonism will not play a significant part in this election.  Contrast him with Obama who listened to the communist ravings of Rev. Wright for 20 years, and Mitt comes out ahead every time.  Newt's religion?  Who knows?  What week is it?

147 C, Perry endorsed Newt.

Posted by: mare at January 20, 2012 10:22 AM (A98Xu)

You do realize that's 'curious', don't you?  Don't expect anything logical.

148

I know, Jack. Lots of people are really scared the Team Romney won't win. Their careers are on the line here.

Well Mittens likes to fire people who don't service him.

149 The SCOAMT breaks into song at a fundraiser

"I'm so in love with you."

150 142 - I know all about it already, Jack. But if you are suggesting what Barack and the Dems signed into law, and what Mitt WON'T repeal is no worse than what we already have, then I don't know what to tell you. Ever hear the phrase, when in a hole, first thing to do is stop digging? Mitt is standing in it with Barack, arguing about the size and shape of the shovel.

151 Newt is a great debater... the thing is, the debates during the Obama vs. Republican phase won't be nearly as important as the weeks of campaigning running up to them. There will only be three, near the end. It won't be like this never ending roadshow the GOP imposed on itself. All the RINO criticisms aimed at Mitt can just as easily be aimed at Newt, with the exception that Mitt can say he had to deal with an extremely liberal legislature in Massachusetts... what's Newt's excuse for things like the Individual Mandate, the sofa ride with Pelosi for carbon credits, the make-it-up on the fly huge new federal job training program to train the unemployed for jobs that don't actually exist? And if Romney has Bain, Newt has Fannie and Freddie. (Or was it just one of them? Same difference) So in the end you come back to, Who seems more temperamentally suited to be POTUS? Well, his smack down of King last night won Newt kudos with the base, but probably turned others off. His embrace of OWS BS Speak was an obviously angry outburst and a move that panders to anti-Republicans. And the wives thing. Should it matter? I don't know; we all thought it should when it was Clinton, remember? And NO, not JUST because Clinton lied to a judge, either. It sure seemed to me that Romney said all the right things last night. He demonstrated, I think, that he WAS a pro-life governor, to the extent the liberal population of his state allowed him to be. He is solidly pro-America (no small thing, these days). He is solid on illegal immigration. Maybe it's time to drop the reflexive anti-Rpmney attitude that seems predicated on the untrue premise that everyone in the field is perfect, and consider him from the point of view that he would be a VAST improvement over the SCOAMF and the man most likely to appeal to the vast electorate out there beyond the confines of the AoSHQ?

152

Mitt is saving up for the general. He will go full-on against Obama, but he's not going to do it in the primaries.

Right. You've got to vote for the campaign to see what's in it.

People who support Mitt seem to be doing the same thing Obama's supporters did. They're all projecting into an empty vessel. "Oh, he doesn't really mean that". "I think he'll really do this instead."

153 Posted by: mare at January 20, 2012 10:22 AM (A98Xu)

Yes I know but I'm wondering more and more if character and integrity and a willingness to take a stand and stick with it and support it will matter in this election.  Perry had a force choice test when he endorsed.  He might have been better off behaving like Bachman and not endorsing anyone.  With that one comment he called forward a host of issues about the president and the presidency and the American people. 

154 Chi- town, comparing how the press treated Obama to how they treat a republican is ridiculous. Also, it isn't just about Mitt being walked over in debates. Everywhere he's been weak about defending capitalism and his own wealth. He should be proud of that and say the alternative is socialism or worse. Why doesn't he do that? Saving himself? Kind of dumb if he doesn't get the nomination.

155 15 Fuck Romney.

That is all.

Fuck them all but I think only Newt would be into that.

156 20 Not to get off comment...I fell asleep with the TV on last night and woke up this morning to Ben Affleck in Smokin Aces what a crappy way to start the day. Where is my coffee and DOOM?

Posted by: alaskagal at January 20, 2012 09:10 AM (BXrzV)

Friday is Monty's day off. Did you guys get more snow?

157 One more checkbox checked on the infinite list of reasons I hate the MSM.

158 146 - Newt is a Catholic. Catholics believe in forgiveness and repentance for past sins, among other things. Catholicism has been "vetted" in Presidential elections already. Mormonism has not. Do you really think it's not going to come up between now and November?

159 122 111 -

Grover Cleveland married a girl more than 30 years younger than him when he was President. And she was sorta his foster daughter (he was her legal guardian, or something like that) before she was his wife.

First Lady: not the most important "job" in a Presidential Administration.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2012 10:11 AM (Gc/Qi)

Grover Cleveland's admin was interrupted by the Harrison administration because people were scandalized by his illegitimate child. The slogan was "Maw, Maw, where's my Paw?" "Gone to the White House, haw, haw, haw."

My grandfather's name was "Grover Clevland Lastname" as Cleveland was highly celebrated in the south as the first democrat elected since the civil war.

160

Chi-town.  The only issue in which I see Mitt saving up for Obama is with respect to the release of his tax records.  Its clear he wants to use such release as a way to get Obama to release his records.  I can't disagree with the strategy, but he is just not executing it well because the primary candidates are demanding his release.

But I don't see any area in which I think Mitt is saving arguments for Obama.   

161 The man has spent his entire life, sucking at the tit of gov't.

Why would anyone think he knows anything about economics or business?

Fer Crissakes - he's already stated, in front of God and everybody, his profound ignorance of, and animosity for honest business transactions.

162 >>I know all about it already, Jack. But if you are suggesting what Barack and the Dems signed into law, and what Mitt WON'T repeal is no worse than what we already have, then I don't know what to tell you. No, what I am suggesting is that you don't know what your talking about. You claim to not want socialized medicine and don't seem to understand that Ronald Reagan gave you that 25 years ago. You claim that Romney won't repeal Obamacare, which is not what Romney did in a single state which I happen to live in so yea, I know the difference, when he has repeatedly said he would. Repeatedly saying what you believe does not make it true. You claim to be a big conservative but don't seem to understand the 10th amendment which allows states to do what they choose just like Perry enacted the Dream Act in Texas and it has no bearing on what should happen on the federal level. Or are you suggesting that had Perry not been such a horrible candidate and actually made his way to DC he would have forced the Dream Act on a federal level? You can't have it both ways. Romney is running a national campaign unlike Newt who is focused on throwing red meat to SC. The clown show ends after tomorrow.

163 Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2012 10:30 AM (Gc/Qi)

Well no one seems to be bringing up Mormonism except to mention the over 10% in tithing that Romney apparently did.  I don't think he should release his income tax, ever.  I don't think it matters for any of them.  But the one thing that totally bothers me about Newt is that he worked for Fannie and Freddie.  You can criticize Bain capital but they have done a lot of good.  It's no secret that Fannie and Freddie are a total disaster.

164 Newt is Catholic, snicker, led there by his office whore, snicker, who converted him, snicker, so that he could annouce he'd found religion, snicker. Callista (stupid name) wasn't much of a catholic snicker since she was one when she was doing married man snicker Newty. Hear she can suck a pumpkin through a rail fence.

165

Gingrich paid 31.5% tax on over $3 Million in income.  He paid $20K in alimony.

Romany wants to wait until the Nomination is decided before we see how his bets against Amerikkka have paid off.  Staples, Sports Authority, Dominoes Pizza, the capitalist juggernaut.

166 159 - Oh, not just slogans, they would send actual kids to Cleveland campaign rallies, having them wander around saying it? It must have been a real hoot. I hope people understand, we didn't invent mudslinging in Presidential elections. It's been around for a while.

167 MSM Check

MSM Check

Romney is rich and he stole it from you

Romney is rich and he stole it from you

Newt is a cheater and will cheat on you

Newt is a cheater and will cheat on you

The economy is recovering _{look at that squirrel}

The economy is recovering _{look at that squirrel}

168 "Romney is running a national campaign" How so? Moderate, weak, won't speak up for capitalism? Won't back down on his own horrible health care legislation? Global warming? What? What is so incredibly "national" about his campaign...being luke warm about everything? Great.

169

Mormonism will not play a significant part in this election. Contrast him with Obama who listened to the communist ravings of Rev. Wright for 20 years, and Mitt comes out ahead every time. Newt's religion? Who knows? What week is it?

 

Ah, ya do know hollywierd has a movie in the works on the magic Mormon Cult and it is do to air in the fall. To say Mitt won't be attacked on his religion is nuts, and the Wright stuff is history, McStupid, the GOP establishment great white hope last time blew that one.

newt however will scorch the earth with bamabis policies and ineptness!

 

 

170 Can we please stop spreading MSM media smears about Newt's marital history? Newt's first wife was his math teacher, and she started sleeping with him when he was only 16, which does not reflect well on her. SHE filed for divorce, and Newt met wife#2 after proceedings began, but before the divorce was over. Wife #2, the one who claims she was "Newt's closest friend and advisor"-left him in 1987. They were separated for 6 years,during which time he met Calista. (I'll bet she didn't have to talk about that last night, but Legal Insurrection and NRO have links to the original story). So it's not a story of Newt dumping his wives--it's a story of his wives dumping him!

171 Libtard on Fox asking Bob Livingston about Newt's $300K fine for book fees.

He asked her back about Hillary's million dollar advance fee nobody said a thing about.

Maybe newt is giving them all some ideas.

172 And since all the Mutt Mushers are move over here, especially at least one only because he donned the cornbrero, I'll repeat my rant.

Drudge also has this headline link to a poll:

WHO WON CHARLESTON DEBATE?

Vote if you like, I didn’t watch the debate. My position is “who cares”?

<rant on>

We are left with zip dog shit for candidates. Year after year after year under the stagnated BS Republican Party primary rules we get stuck with shitty candidates. The primaries are preloaded with almost ALL blue States all the way up to the damn Super Tuesday date. This is why we get stuck with lackluster, its my turn “moderates”. Yet there are some here who keep saying this is all wingnut “conspiracy theory”. I throw the bullshit flag on that. Once is OK, twice may be a coincidence, three times is enemy action. Decades worth is Party design.

We are now left with Mutt Romney who they are still saying is the designated winner although he has only won one Primary in virtually his own home State and it appears he will NOT win SC despite all the MFM hoopala. He hasnÂ’t got a conservative bone in his body. He is not electable because he will split the Party and likely result in a third Party run. The base hates him yet if he does win it will be the same damn way McShitty won. A plurality of about 30%.

Then there is Eye of Newt. More baggage than an overloaded airport train headed for a wide body 747. He has a couple of finger bones that may be conservative.

Coming up third will probably be Santorum (at least in SC). He is arguably more conservative than Gingrich (maybe) but he so alienated his own State so bad he was routed in his last election attempt. His stress on anti-gay and on social con issues is so hard that he is virtually unelectable in any tight State like VA. The same way Mutt will cause conservatives to stay at home, he will cause some fiscal cons who donÂ’t give a shit for social ideas to stay at home. If he would keep his mouth shut on this score he would be a lot better off. Swing into that shit AFTER the election dumb ass. Do like the Dems do, run to the center and then after election go hard right social con.

Fourth is Crazy Racist Uncle. Not a chance of getting elected anywhere but he has a following of loud and obnoxious pot heads and skin heads.

This is what our Republican Party primary rules has given us. This and endless fucking bullshit debates hosted by the MFM designed not to allow the candidates to debate, but to pose “gotcha” questions, stir up controversy for ratings, and just generally damage the Republican party. Hell, the ONLY reason Newt has climbed out of the gutter is by attacking the debate assholes. Is this how we want to pick candidates; seriously?

All you Mutt-Mashers can bitch about this all you want, but I am about fed up with the Republican Party. They are not just the Party of Stupid, they are the Party of semi-Democrats. I am about to agree with Glenn Beck, there is not much difference between them but degree of how far left they want to go. Whether it is big government socialism for the Republicans or bigger government communism for the Democrats. Either damn way we are going off the cliff.

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173 @138  Morons, the candidates know they already have our vote. This shit is all about the independents and Democrats.
Relax. Obama can't win again. The fix is already in.

Posted by: Pooter Hound at January 20, 2012 10:18 AM (ELPgk)

Would that it were true.

174 "Maybe newt is giving them all some ideas. " I hope so. REJECT THE PREMISE IF THE PREMISE IS FALSE.

175 Posted by: Burke at January 20, 2012 10:37 AM (9N3G1) Excellent Point. REJECT THE PREMISE IF THE PREMISE IS FALSE.

176 @92 I watched the debate but had to leave for 15-20 to pick up my kiddo from sports practice. Sorry I missed that part. I looked at the AOSHQ "coverage" via iphone and saw no reference.

177 Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2012 10:38 AM (YdQQY)
great rant.

Too bad the reupblican party can't be split into the rinos and the real republicans.  My dad says the rinos are really conservative dems but that the dems have gone so off the cliff they had no where to go so they went to the republicans.

178 162 - You sound mad, bro. But don't take it out on Ronald Reagan. He didn't invent socialized medicine. I am well aware of how the system was moved forward in the 80s. I am suggesting to you that Mitt is a believer. We can quibble about who killed whose version of it, but I am not comforted by Mitt telling us that if you like YOUR version of Obamneycare, you can keep your version of Obamneycare. And frankly, I don't know why you bring up Rick Perry. Rick Perry is not running for President, or hadn't you heard?

179

@151 Newt is a great debater... the thing is, the debates during the Obama vs. Republican phase won't be nearly as important as the weeks of campaigning running up to them. There will only be three, near the end. It won't be like this never ending roadshow the GOP imposed on itself.

If Newt is the candidate, there may be only one debate, maybe not. BHO will run from him, debatewise, "affiars of state, you know"

180 >>How so? Moderate, weak, won't speak up for capitalism? Won't back down on his own horrible health care legislation? Global warming? What? What is so incredibly "national" about his campaign...being luke warm about everything? Great. Would you be happy if he denounced his idiotic, your word, religion? Romney seems to be the only candidate who is actively defending capitalism unlike Newt who is running against it. Why should he start talking about global warming? Is Newt? Is Santorum? It's not an issue. Why would he denounce the health care plan he helped put in place in MA which is not the one that is in place today? You would just call him a flip flopper. Romney has been going after Obama since day 1 but it doesn't get mentioned much on True Conservative blogs because they are all in for anyone but Romney which has led them to a place where they are now cheering on Newt fucking Gingrich. One indication that Romney is running a national campaign, he is actually on the ballot in VA. The super duper True Conservative candidates like Newt couldn't even manage to get that done. Yea, he's a terrific leader.

181 Uhm, I TOLD you morons that Rick Perry was OK but nothing to get excited about, and yet you all got boners as soon as you saw him.

BTW, gila monsters aren't found in Texas that I know of.

182 Newt is a master debater. Trouble is, he wanted an open marriage so his girlfriend could master debate him as well.

183 I have things to do today... for all you Mitt lovers, I realize he's most likely going to win the nomination, and will probably be elected President. At this point, I'd simply like to think we (whoever WE are) will have some influence on how he governs. I want him to commit to repealing ALL of Obamacare, and disavow the silly notion that mandates are legal/conservative. If he would do that, I'd be ok with his empty-suitedness. Sort of. So be dears, and pass the word to him.

184

You know, the sanctimonious bastards attack Gingrich's wives really ought to be support Rick Santorum.

Seems right up your alley. Hell, Ricky actually thinks it's an issue. Even Mitt Romney said it was irrelevant.

185 Whoa, Newt's first wife was his math teacher - is that true?  Wild.

186 I have watched every debate, have read thousands of comments on dozens of blogs.  I still don't know who to vote for.

187 >>You sound mad, bro. But don't take it out on Ronald Reagan. He didn't invent socialized medicine. I am well aware of how the system was moved forward in the 80s. I am suggesting to you that Mitt is a believer. We can quibble about who killed whose version of it, but I am not comforted by Mitt telling us that if you like YOUR version of Obamneycare, you can keep your version of Obamneycare. Not mad at all. Amazed at the cluelessness of the True Conservatives. I'm not going after Reagan, just pointing out that it was indeed Reagan who gave us socialized medicine by forcing all of us to pay for those who can't or won't pay for their own insurance. It also caused insurance premiums to rise. I just want to make sure you have your facts straight. Since you think it is evil to have the free riders pay for their healthcare I would like to hear your solution. Is it just higher taxes for the rest of us who already pay for our own healthcare because that's the do nothing solution. What Romney has said, repeatedly, is that he will repeal Obamacare and send the problem back where it belongs, to the states. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand for some. >>And frankly, I don't know why you bring up Rick Perry. Rick Perry is not running for President, or hadn't you heard? I know it's hard to remember that Perry was running for President, he was so bad he barely registered, but he was up until approximately 24 hours ago. My reason for bringing him up is obvious. He was a strong supporter of the Texas Dream Act. You might remember he called anyone who disagreed with him "heartless". I was just using your logic and asking if you believed he would impose a national Dream Act at the federal level. I can understand why you don't want to answer.

188 185 Geometry. She knew all the angles. She thought he was a-cute little guy. We don't know if he cheated on her, she has the proof. She does make a mean pi.

189 Not really concerned with who wins at this point, but I'll bet Santorum gets a big kick since the other Rick bowed out and Newt is getting shit from ex-wife about former paramour current wife.

190

Fourth is Crazy Racist Uncle. Not a chance of getting elected anywhere but he has a following of loud and obnoxious pot heads and skin heads.

Ron Paul isn't going to win. This isn't an attempt at persuading anyone to support the guy - he's irrelevant, beyond being a subject of discussion.

But all those people you call potheads and skin heads, a lot of them are just like you.

I'm sure nobody ever called you racist, so you have no idea what kind of situation they might be in. Crazy skinheads and their crazy racist balanced budget demands.

191 New PPP poll up (see RCP) has Newt up in SC by wider margin. This after all the shit on Drudge and WP/ABC yesterday.

192

Not mad at all. Amazed at the cluelessness of the True Conservatives. I'm not going after Reagan, just pointing out that it was indeed Reagan who gave us socialized medicine by forcing all of us to pay for those who can't or won't pay for their own insurance. It also caused insurance premiums to rise. I just want to make sure you have your facts straight.

That would be among the reasons the crazy racist went all crazy racist 3rd party tried to genocide the jews.

193 85 I know this is a bit of a heresy to say here in Moronville, but I never quite understood the fascination with Perry. Sure, he has a nice record of job growth in Texas but, honestly, so what? It's not as if he inherited a Democrat Workers' Paradise like - ahem - Massachusetts and turned it into a job-manufacturing Fredonia. He took a small tax, small government state and managed to not dork it up. That's certainly better than dorking it up, of course. But seriously, what sort of governemnt a President Perry be looking at? The Workers' Paradise or Fredonia? Posted by: DocJ at January 20, 2012 09:50 AM (A5uiv) Not that it really matters at this point be ause he's out, but I actually think it speaks heavily in Perry's favor that he went into a "Fredonia" and didn't manage to fuck it up. All these politicians want to leave some kind of "legacy." And that usually involves major meddling of one kind or another, the vast majority of which is bad, bad, bad. That Perry was ale to recognize that most of what was going on in Texas worked and left it the hell alone so that it could continue to work is a very, very good thing in my book.

194

"Fredonia"

The idea that Mittens turned Taxachusetts into some sort of wheeling dealing free-market paradise is delusional and untrue.

The fact that the man seems incapable of making a presidential run without surrounding himself with flat-out wrong lies is bothersome.

195 Geometry. She knew all the angles. She thought he was a-cute little guy. We don't know if he cheated on her, she has the proof. She does make a mean pi.

Don't be obtuse.

196 The only reason Gingrich is still in this race is because of all the red meat he throws our way.  In the general the audiences will not be people like us, he is not going to get wild standing ovations for yelling at the media.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 20, 2012 09:35 AM (9zzk+)

Really?  So picture teh One and Newt on stage in a televised debate, with the usual leftie moderator(s).  And the moderator asks Newt a so-when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife question or somesuch.  And Newt takes the person down hard.  Do you really think that the millions of Americans watching won't be on their feet screaming for more?

Americans want someone to fight for them for a change, and are pretty much sick and tired of seeing our candidates/politicians just stand there and take it (hence, part of the GOP stupid party meme, IMO).  Or worse, legitimize the question by actually trying to answer it.

In other words, Americans like righteous fighters.  It's in our DNA.

197

" I was just using your logic and asking if you believed he would impose a national Dream Act at the federal level. "

You mean the Texas Dream Act he could not veto? Perry said that there would be no immigration reform discussion until the border was secured, using strategic fencing, troops, more border agents, and predator drones.

Texas Dream Act passes w veto proof majority. Romneycare passes with veto proof majority.

Perry crucified. Mitt fellated.

Good enough straw?

198 There aren't many Gila monsters in Austin. That's more of a West-Texas thing. We do have rattlesnakes around though. And Copperheads and water moccasins and even a few coral snakes.

199 I didn't watch the debate last night. Truth be told, I haven't watched any of them since January third. Why?
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 08:35 AM
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Russ, Just FYI - If you aren't paying attention to what's going on ("I haven't watched any of the debates since January third"), then why should I read anything you have to say?  I stopped reading your post after that sentence.

200

The idea that Mittens turned Taxachusetts into some sort of wheeling dealing free-market paradise is delusional and untrue.

It's a good thing then that made precisely no such claim.

201

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Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2012 10:38 AM (YdQQY)

I love your font style; Verdana, no?

202

he is not going to get wild standing ovations for yelling at the media.

Bullshit.

The thing Paul was quick to illustrate vis-a-vis the media being run by corporations - the leftards hate the media as much as we do. And the independants too.

For different reasons, but just the same. Everybody cheers when you fuck the media. They poll like 5% trust and approval.

203

I haven't watched any of the debates.  Living in Oregon I have no choice or say in who the GOP decides will run for president.

I will vote for any candidate running against the SCOAMF so I won't have to waist any time with the genral election debates as well.

This should free up a lot of time to prepare for the possible failure of getting a GOP elected.

I will vote in the general election but it won't matter because by the time I can vote, the election will already be called by most major news outlets and blogs etc.

All I can do is bitch and complain about whoever you all elect.

204 The tax returns issue is going to be about Rombley's offshore accounts and tax rate. Obamacare is already off the table with Romneycare. How is Rombley going to rebut Obama's "rich must pay their fair share" mantra if lot of his income is in off-shore accounts? How is going to defend capitalism if the Dems paint him as a financial elitist? At this point, I'm not so much pro-Newt as I'm having serious doubts about Rombley's electability.

205 @72 just back from a day at the hospital with a relative. no not claiming he was "clean".

But I think the entire "ethics" process in Congress is broken with congressmen investigating other congressmen rather than publish ethical guidelines and have an independent oversight body.