November 06, 2012
— Geoff We've been punched in the gut before. I think this time it's a little more painful because we can't believe that half of America could possibly vote for a man whose policies have been so costly and so ineffective. It's like going to bed with your S.O. and waking up to a complete stranger...
...who happens to be punching you in the gut.
So I suppose there should be healing, yes? Some sort of Kubler-Ross five stage process to get through this?
Fortunately we at AoSHQ long ago perfected a 1-stage healing process which served us remarkably well through the 2006 and 2008 elections. In layman's terms, we skip right over the Denial/Anger/Bargaining/Depression/Acceptance malarkey and play to one of our major strengths:
So let me gift you this thread, and encourage you to express your appreciation for the insightful public, the supportive media, and the outstanding administration which have provided us with such a promising 4-year future.
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Posted by: Chris Christie at November 06, 2012 10:36 PM (psSW6)
Posted by: Helen at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (93bH6)
The sooner the better for me... Thanks..
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:36 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 06, 2012 10:36 PM (Cl95C)
Goodbye Bichez!
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 06, 2012 10:37 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: Rich at November 06, 2012 10:38 PM (arczc)
Posted by: Chris Christie at November 06, 2012 10:38 PM (psSW6)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 06, 2012 10:38 PM (lJJMb)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (Cl95C)
Don't it still is the same shit we've seen for the last 4 years except now obama will own it completely.. We're innocent because we didn't vote for the fuck..Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:38 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 06, 2012 10:38 PM (AREf/)
Meh - the last thread was too morbid. Needed a change of venue.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 10:39 PM (SnU+8)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 06, 2012 10:39 PM (NV30n)
Busy?! Those motherfucking hacks just got themselves another 4 year vacation!
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 06, 2012 10:41 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: kakypat at November 06, 2012 10:41 PM (HUXet)
Posted by: DarrenODaly at November 06, 2012 10:41 PM (ILhUm)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:41 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: AnnaS at November 06, 2012 10:42 PM (MwpNJ)
LOL
Posted by: oblig. (who's been politely silent) at November 06, 2012 10:42 PM (cePv8)
Posted by: Islamic Socialist at November 06, 2012 10:42 PM (pOBFD)
Posted by: Ball of Hate at November 06, 2012 10:42 PM (AREf/)
Posted by: rabidfox at November 06, 2012 10:43 PM (mUY0r)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 06, 2012 10:43 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:44 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Baldy at November 06, 2012 10:44 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 10:44 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: txconservative at November 06, 2012 10:44 PM (5UMyr)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:44 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (jZn+7)
Posted by: Gmac - who went through this shit with Carter who was gone in 4 at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (IanLz)
Posted by: Adriane at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (eEev7)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Bane at November 06, 2012 10:45 PM (Xt3dD)
Posted by: AnnaS at November 06, 2012 10:46 PM (MwpNJ)
Now that's funny... you made my miserable night
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:46 PM (MAhUT)
I bet he can go another four years with out a budget. Continuing resolutions for life!
Posted by: txconservative at November 06, 2012 10:46 PM (5UMyr)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 10:46 PM (QG3g9)
Think on THAT, black folks.
Who are the racists, now?
Posted by: kakypat at November 06, 2012 10:47 PM (HUXet)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:47 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 06, 2012 10:47 PM (ZPrif)
EPA regulations getting mentioned by the MSM... now that DAMN FUNNY
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:47 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula at November 06, 2012 10:48 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: Reggie Love Salivating at November 06, 2012 10:48 PM (ypzqs)
You see, Lin, you have bought into the hype. We all hate tanned people. That's the hype you've been sold.
Tell me Lin, who exactly is going to create a job for your well tanned ass? The gubmint? Mr. OFuckStick? They can't create a fart in a windstorm, with any reliability.
Enjoy your gloat. You and ilk (that is, people who think like you) shall reap what you have sown. That comes straight from an atheist, if Bible type quotes cause you any discomfort.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 10:48 PM (ccXZP)
That in the spirit of the original post?
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 10:48 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 06, 2012 10:48 PM (8kIXE)
Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (0TRVx)
They get re-elected anyway... bada-bing
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (MAhUT)
But in terms of raw politics, Democrats vs. Republicans is like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. that team that's there just so the Globetrotters can win. The People's Cube has called it "the professional Left vs. the amateur Right", and that's the truth.
People, there is no reversing course on this one. Your fellow "citizens" have spoken, and they have said they want free stuff. This one ends up bloody.
Posted by: MissAnthropy at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (G3G28)
O is that boyfriend you were soooooooooooo into, and he was wanted by everyone, and he picked YOU!
Well, 4 years later, he is rude, distant, and you think he is gonna leave you, so you just *have* to show him how much you love him, to get him back.
Do the D's know their base or what???
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: gensec at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (HcNOn)
Posted by: Jim AKA The Guy Who Always Posts About Fapping at November 06, 2012 10:49 PM (g1t2K)
Posted by: confused at November 06, 2012 10:50 PM (iKxnK)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:50 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 06, 2012 10:51 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 10:51 PM (HKONC)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 10:51 PM (QG3g9)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:52 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 06, 2012 10:52 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (lJJMb)
Huh, I thought it was just me. Or that I was too close - in '08, I *knew* O would win, no doubt in my mind. This time, R/R were the ticket, but no, they weren't?
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (uMfFZ)
I'm just happy that the media can now feel free to fully investigate Benghazi without fear of inserting politics before an election.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (SnU+8)
Posted by: Brown Skinned Lin at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (pOBFD)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 10:53 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 10:54 PM (HKONC)
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 10:54 PM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Cackfinger at November 06, 2012 10:54 PM (CCHli)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:54 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: ES at November 06, 2012 10:54 PM (naBH5)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 06, 2012 10:55 PM (jZn+7)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (8kIXE)
How are you sure?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (jo069)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (QG3g9)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (HKONC)
Actually, from a bipartisan view, I was hoping a President Romney could work with Hoyer and either Schumer or Durbin if we didn't take the Senate.
TFG is a major problem, as we all know, but I still blame so many of our country's problems on Pelosi and Reid
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 10:56 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 10:57 PM (V4mSR)
Strange...rather than just pity and urge to help, I suddenly have a craving for hot buttered popcorn and Sandy disaster coverage.
Lucky for them, I already gave a bundle.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 06, 2012 10:57 PM (4ABat)
The older Dem says "Let's walk down there and fuck them all."
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 10:57 PM (ccXZP)
Obama is fond of bragging about his "5 million jobs created" since January 2010 (the low point of employment). In a recent post at Innocent Bystanders I projected out that job creation rate to the end of his second term, to see where we'd be after 8 years of wondrous Obama leadership.
We weren't quite back to pre-recession levels.
And that's using his best performance numbers to date.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 10:57 PM (SnU+8)
They can get away with this system for longer than you might think. Look at Europe.
I'm glad I'm old.
I'm sorry about you young people. Your future has been stolen to pay for our present.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 06, 2012 10:58 PM (1Y+hH)
Kerry responds, "I'm not going to be secretary of state." And then the whole bar starts laughing at him right in his face.
THE ARISTOCRATS!
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 10:58 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Jmel at November 06, 2012 10:58 PM (c+D8V)
Posted by: Cackfinger at November 06, 2012 10:58 PM (CCHli)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 06, 2012 10:58 PM (8kIXE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 06, 2012 10:59 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 10:59 PM (jo069)
hammer meet nail...
a reduction in corporate taxes (down to the world's levels) would have spurred a great recovery by drastically changing "cost-of-capital" TFG and friends are now going to starve the investment engine, just like the Japanese did
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 10:59 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 06, 2012 10:59 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: tidemonster at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (2QYw7)
They are now reaping the political rewards of that. They have bought off the people with cash benefits, absolution for immoral behavior, and blaming others (like the rich) for personal failings. Conservatism is a better philosophy for a civil society but we are no longer a civil, moral people.
We tell people they must work hard and take responsibility for themselves, and great reward will follow. That is true but the liberals are offering them a shorter (false) path. Just vote for more goodies and avoid accountability for one's own life. It will all fail in the end but it works for quite some time.
Trying to find the perfect set of candidates won't matter going forward. The media will portray anyone we put forth as a greedy, uncaring bastard who is out of touch with the needs of the people. They already have the template ready, they just plug in the new names.
Huge areas of the country are lost to us, like California. No matter how ridiculous it gets, people keep electing Democrats. There is no accountability for failure because failure is always conveniently blamed on someone else. Capitalism, rich people, what have you. Obama has escaped responsibility for his failures as well.
Facts, figures, history, empirical evidence don't matter to these people. They don't even want to know any of that. They are culturally predisposed to prefer bigger and more intrusive government because they believe it will make their lives easier. More time for them to sit around. The cost in dollars and loss in freedom is of no concern.
The coming fiscal collapse may wake people up, who knows. Until then I think we are fucked.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (x0g8a)
Posted by: Tregonsee at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (QnBmw)
Can't sleep. I tried but I can't. Over and over again I can't imagine that so m-any people in this gift-from-God nation despise it so.
It's either that, or there was massive voter fraud.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (jo069)
Too late.... I think the GOP destroyed the GOP....
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (8kIXE)
Didn't happen.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 06, 2012 11:00 PM (hO8IJ)
We are Rome. Bread, Games and Orgies is all it took to get the people of Rome complacent enough to accept the creation of Dictatorship.
Posted by: Holger at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (MHk3m)
Posted by: Cackfinger at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (CCHli)
We have been so weakened that our real enemies will attack, and they will have help from within.
401's?...least of our problems.
The treachery is deeper than you think.
Posted by: Reality at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (psSW6)
Posted by: rockmom at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (qe2/V)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (MAhUT)
She was really jizz thirsty
But since I'm from New Jersey
I gave her one-fifth of my stock
Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 06, 2012 11:01 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna not greg/gerg at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (9+ccr)
When they realize that they've fucked up worse than Bush ever managed to, they'll come crawling back and beg us to save them.
And I'll look down and whisper
"No."
Posted by: TheRedBaron at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (0TRVx)
With all due respect, TheRedBaron, that violently underestimates how strong the stupid is with these people. it's fucking bulletproof. Hell, it's goddamn H-bomb proof. They managed to blame Republicans when the GOP was basically out of power the first 2 years of Obama's term. Not to mention that everything that went wrong was Bush's fault to begin with anyways.
They'll find a way to shove the broken bottle ever deeper up their asses (which, unfortunately, includes all our asses too) while screaming "this is all *your* fault!!"
(Love the Rorschach reference, btw!).
Posted by: ninjaphish at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (VTXt1)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (QG3g9)
In the spirit of the historic victory Obama supporters have pushed through in their never ending quest for free shit,
I have to grudgingly admire their "FORWARD" (blegh) progress, and wonder, is this too long in coming? Where would we be today if their mothers had access to the free taxpayer funded abortions that coming down the pike?
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Tregonsee at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (QnBmw)
I think the quote says teh average Democracy lasts 200 years.... we've gone 236? so hey.... we beat the Average....
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 06, 2012 11:02 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 11:03 PM (HKONC)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 11:03 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Romeo13
Amigo, some worked to make sure that wasn't the case. Still hoping that isn't the case.
If so, the Gates of Hell just broke.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:03 PM (jo069)
This Math-Challenged Polysporin™ appears remarkably ineffective.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 06, 2012 11:03 PM (2l+qZ)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:03 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (QBSp1)
Posted by: Holger at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (MHk3m)
Damn.... We went for free condoms and cell phones....Talk about a cheap date...
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (zrpqj)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Adriane at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (QG3g9)
Posted by: badgerstate rn at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (O64as)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (HKONC)
Jill came down with $1.30, cause I'm a cheap fuck, OH!
Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 06, 2012 11:04 PM (w4fEE)
Who wrote "The Death of the Grownup?"
Most people want to stay teenagers until retirement (second childhood). Hard to sell "work" and "it doesn't matter if you want it, there's no money for it" to teens who spent the first 12 years of life having everything handed to them immediately.
Best I can figure after being awake for 22 hours, anyway.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 06, 2012 11:05 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:05 PM (V4mSR)
Republicans are all, "Hey if you want to be fit, in shape and look good, you gotta work out. You know, break a sweat and make yourself a little uncomfortable.
And the Democrats are, "Hey, fuck those guys. Here's a pill. Just take this pill and you'll have a six pack."
Of course the goddamned pill doesn't work. Diet and exercise works. But people go for the pill.
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 11:05 PM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 06, 2012 11:05 PM (Hu/Da)
Posted by: Baldy at November 06, 2012 11:05 PM (opS9C)
They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 06, 2012 11:06 PM (hO8IJ)
A Democrat and a Republican were having an argument over the fate of the country. "If my candidate loses," the Democrat whined, "injustice will prevail."
"Well, if my candidate loses," the Republican replied, "the whole system implodes."
"Well at least you won't be rich!" exclaimed the Dem.
Sorry - I'm not very good at jokes. But I'm hell on synopses.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:06 PM (SnU+8)
Posted by: ninjaphish at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (VTXt1)
Nope.... its a very simple equation.... Democrats appeal at a lower level of Lazlo's Hierarchy of Needs, than Repubs do...
Case in point.... business partner who supports Obama, because Romney says he will get rid of Obamacare.... and Partners wife has an illness which puts her over the Insurance companys 1 million lifetime cap.... but she does NOT want to go on Medicare.... thus... he is a ONE issue voter....
His vote is bought, by giving HIM my Tax Dollars.....
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 06, 2012 11:06 PM (lZBBB)
Lucky for them, I already gave a bundle.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (4ABat)
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From this day foward, if any state that went for the SCOAMT in this election suffers any kind of a disaster, they'll get nothing but scorn from me. Sorry for all you 'rons and 'ettes in the Sandy area. But fuck the northeast.
As far as I'm concerned, those states that went for Baraka tonight I will not consider part of America.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:06 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Bob Dice Menedez at November 06, 2012 11:07 PM (w4fEE)
Who has a net worth (inherited...) twice that of the Republican.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 06, 2012 11:07 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Jehu at November 06, 2012 11:07 PM (cSD32)
Posted by: BuuuuSH! at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (HNn1q)
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (lZBBB)
The country didn't move away from only landowners (at that time, that meant Taxpayers) voting until 1820 or so.
So we are actually under the average- although the democracy isn't Officially dead, just laying on the floor waiting judge to slap the mat a couple more times....
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (V4mSR)
That's it man, game over man, game over!
What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
http://tinyurl.com/yzunke7
Posted by: Hudson at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (ceOGc)
Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (GCzqx)
"at least I won't wake up to a festering race war..."
Things that make you go "hmmm"
.
Posted by: wally at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (GyrMI)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (bxiXv)
No doubt, I'm fully on the Cory Booker train in 2013. The fat fuck is dead to me.
I'm also thinking Cuomo 2016 because, well, if this electorate won't ever elect a fiscal conservative again, why be left out of the patronage?
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:08 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 06, 2012 11:09 PM (Hu/Da)
I told my wife this, and she replied, "Now I know how he felt at the end of Khartoum.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at November 06, 2012 11:09 PM (IlZPo)
Posted by: We Are all Socialists NOw at November 06, 2012 11:09 PM (PrzXs)
"Quick, confiscate his inventory. Drinks are on us!"
And so it goes.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 11:09 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 06, 2012 11:10 PM (Hu/Da)
Posted by: Adriane at November 06, 2012 11:10 PM (gh+mp)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:10 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:10 PM (QBSp1)
They never actually did "snap out of it." Check your pay stubs, Social Security is still there.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (hO8IJ)
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The FDR socialism never ended. It was just phase 2 of the creeping socialism introduced by Wilson. We are almost in the last phase of the "Atlas Shrugged" syndrome.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:11 PM (YDXSQ)
I just can't process this loss. The electorate went from D+7 in 2008 to D+6 in 2012? With 7.9% unemployment? How the fuck does that happen? How bad would unemployment have to be for it affect this bastard? 10%? 15%? I've read alot of you guys posting about how we should've done this or that differently or ran a more/less conservative candidate. Well I got news for you, if this bastard won with economic numbers like these, it wouldn't have mattered if Jesus of Nazareth had come down from on high and ran against him, we would've still lost.
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 06, 2012 11:11 PM (tDieS)
Posted by: Berserker at November 06, 2012 11:11 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 11:11 PM (QG3g9)
Fuckin-Shit...Eleventy(11!!11) more years of this shit-
May all that voted for any fucktard(d) burn in the bowels of gay-fuctard AlGore global warming hell...Stay Thirsty, you vulgar, ignorant, shallow, douche-eating, brain-dead, Racist, vile, contemptuous, lying, dumb-assed, American-hating, sacks-of-shit!
Posted by: 'lean forward' on this! at November 06, 2012 11:12 PM (EceF8)
At least there'll be a lot of work for mapmakers.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:13 PM (SnU+8)
Posted by: upyerstbaggers at November 06, 2012 11:13 PM (4Uj6e)
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 11:14 PM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at November 06, 2012 11:14 PM (Cl95C)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:15 PM (hjRtO)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:15 PM (PrzXs)
Posted by: Jehu at November 06, 2012 11:15 PM (cSD32)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:16 PM (hjRtO)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2012 11:16 PM (V4mSR)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (cSD32)
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Yeah, and I had my suspicions that it was going to feel about like what I feel now.
The only way out of this (really) is secession. But do any of our governers or the populace have the nads for it? Probably not.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:16 PM (YDXSQ)
First of all, what happened is FRAUD.
It's not the only factor I'm concerned/ upset about. But I think the margin of FRAUD was enough to make THE difference in this election.
Posted by: lael at November 06, 2012 11:16 PM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Bread And Circuses at November 06, 2012 11:17 PM (Hu/Da)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:17 PM (PrzXs)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:19 PM (hjRtO)
Right there with ya Joffen. Let a new generation of "conservatives" take over. the ones that think gays are cool, debts can be ignored, deficits can be supported by printing presses. I'm toast. And so is our nation.
Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 06, 2012 11:19 PM (GCzqx)
Posted by: D. R. Ainbough at November 06, 2012 11:19 PM (BgIBZ)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at November 06, 2012 11:20 PM (HNn1q)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:20 PM (hjRtO)
Twitter pics of rallies don't mean shit
Preference cascade is a made up phrase designed to dong punch conservatives
Conservative websites are inoculated against the demographics of this country
Pissing and moaning for four years has got us another four years.
Making fun of dems? Yea, that's fun b/c that's all we've got
Conservative analysts, projectors of elections SUCK.
Posted by: gw mclintock at November 06, 2012 11:21 PM (oh9Ma)
Who wrote "The Death of the Grownup?"
Most people want to stay teenagers until retirement (second childhood). Hard to sell "work" and "it doesn't matter if you want it, there's no money for it" to teens who spent the first 12 years of life having everything handed to them immediately.
Best I can figure after being awake for 22 hours, anyway.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (hO8IJ)
Diana West: The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization.
She's one of my faves. She gets it.
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 11:22 PM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: JDP at November 06, 2012 11:22 PM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:22 PM (QBSp1)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 06, 2012 11:22 PM (HKONC)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (tDieS)
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I'm still not ruling out massive voter fraud. EV, no ID's, motor voter, etc., is an atmosphere ripe for just that. What's really sad is that I'll never really trust that my vote counts ever again.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:23 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 11:23 PM (0DlnM)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:24 PM (fXInK)
Dems gained seats in Senate
Mia Love lost.
Elizabeth Warren won.
McCaskill won.
Republican men said stupid stuff about abortion and rape and BLEW IT.
Prop. 30 in CA is winning (taxes galore!)
This is one mighty suck ass evening.
Only light? Darrell Issa is my new Congressman due to redistricting.
Posted by: Athena at November 06, 2012 11:24 PM (QS2qe)
Posted by: Adriane at November 06, 2012 11:24 PM (gh+mp)
How are you sure?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (jo069)
I'm not sure, in fact, I think it was lots of little lies instead of one big lie {Fla. polls are closed} that did us in. My gut *knew* O in '08, and it *knew*R/R in '12.
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 11:25 PM (uMfFZ)
It's not going to magically turn around.
The picture for 2013 is just about unreservedly bleak.
And yep, Obama owns it!
Many of you are likely to come into contact next year with people who are going to find their full-time jobs being cut back to part time because of Obamacare. Or find their part-time hours being made fewer because of Obamacare. There are going to be a few _million_ such unfortunate souls. Up and down the length of the country.
Do take a minute to remind them that you voted against that shit. And just whose shit it is.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 06, 2012 11:25 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Jehu at November 06, 2012 11:25 PM (cSD32)
Posted by: Speller at November 06, 2012 11:25 PM (J74Py)
Posted by: grumpy momma bear at November 06, 2012 11:25 PM (1h0qv)
As much of a SCOAMF as he is, pray for him, because Biden is a fucking disaster in every way
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:26 PM (w4fEE)
I already saw that the American people saw fit to put Alan Greyson in Congress, but not Alan West, but now Mia Love lost? Ugh. I hate everyone.
Posted by: NotSoLoneWolfinNC at November 06, 2012 11:26 PM (LN5eJ)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:26 PM (fXInK)
Posted by: Mega at November 06, 2012 11:27 PM (idyso)
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:27 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Zoltan at November 06, 2012 11:27 PM (sX1gH)
Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 06, 2012 11:27 PM (1h0qv)
Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 06, 2012 11:28 PM (5CDB2)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:28 PM (PrzXs)
The picture for 2013 is just about unreservedly bleak.
And yep, Obama owns it!
I hear -1.5% GDP growth is the shizzle.
Rachel Maddow, astride her unbuildable-by-the-current-EPA Hoover Dam, assures me so.
Melissa Joan Hart, why have you forsaken me!?
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 06, 2012 11:28 PM (2l+qZ)
The barkeep says "That will be $100 per drink, paid in advance."
The Dems chime in unison "Don't you trust us?"
"Keep telling jokes like that and I might give you a free one."
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 11:29 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 06, 2012 11:29 PM (bxiXv)
Went through a period tonight of wanting to punch holes in every fucking wall in my house until my hands were bloody and broken, but decided that would be painful and expensive to no advantage.
Right now I want to lash out at the idiots in this state. I'm in a solid red county and it seems that I'm surrounded by morons that are Hell-bent on electing D's to almost every office in this state.
I knew this state tended to lean blue when I moved here, but to watch it elect R+R by a good margin and then put fucking Democrats in nearly every statewide office (and re-elect that Goddamn fucking asswipe Tester AGAIN) is just too much to swallow.
Oh, well. They're still counting..... Maybe, perhaps, hopefully..... ah, fuckit.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 06, 2012 11:29 PM (pR0/y)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 06, 2012 11:30 PM (bxiXv)
In hindsight ... I guess I shoulda known how this would turn out by all the vapid bullshit that gets posted on Facebook by people I'm loosely acquainted with.
We're a nation of ignorant, spoiled, shallow, self absorbed idiots.
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 11:30 PM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 06, 2012 11:30 PM (dX4hn)
Oddly enough, no Atty General cares.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:31 PM (jo069)
Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 06, 2012 11:31 PM (GCzqx)
Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 06, 2012 11:31 PM (1h0qv)
Posted by: JDP at November 06, 2012 11:31 PM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:31 PM (QBSp1)
At least we weren't alone. VA, OH, and CO get to share the blame.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:32 PM (PrzXs)
Salve? What salve? This is an unmitigated disaster. Worst of all, it's not Romney's fault. Unlike '96 we can't blame the candidate and unlike '08 we can't blame the candidate and unfavorable conditions. We had a very good candidate. The best in years. With a great message. It wasn't the candidate, for once.
Bottom line, the country has changed. Crossed the Rubicon. The Takers have exceeded the Creators. They want our stuff. Period. And they mean to take it. Just like Europe. The signs were and are all around us, just look and see.
Why would coal country go blue in this economic environment? Because Detroit went and they got theirs. Now it's a free-for-all and everyone wants theirs. The coal unions will be, or at least hope to be, rewarded just like the UAW. They chose and Obama has them in the palm of his hand now. They're his votes now and he'll give them just enough to preserve them. How does honest, free-market capitalism counter that?
It's not like this was unforeseen. Conservatives have been abandoning the field of the purple states and have now ceded them without a fight, perhaps permanently. You can't move to red states en masse and cede the swing states yet still expect to win national elections.
We saw this coming -- read all the blogs over the past four years -- and still we let it happen. By saying F-it, move away. And no one spoke against it. It was actually encouraged. Voting with your feet and all that. To send a message. Well, the only vote that counts came tonight and guess what, winning Idaho by 70% instead of 60% while losing Ohio 50.5% to 49.5% is not sending a message, it's a total disaster. And the fundamentals of Ohio indicate it's heading further in that direction. If we can't take Ohio this year of all years we ain't ever gonna take it. We're toast. If not, please tell me how.
There is no salve. We lost the Big One. Everything changes now. The Takers rule supreme. They call the shots. You think not? Then you ain't seeing the landscape. You don't understand what just happened.
They say Obama has no mandate. But he does. Winning decisively like this is a mandate. Saying it ain't is just wishful thinking. Obama has a mandate. Just you watch and see. The polls against Obamacare mean absolutely zilch now. The only poll that counts just ratified it by a landslide. Tell me how it doesn't.
Our choices as conservatives are few, perhaps nonexistent. Fight on Benghazi and hope to obstruct for four years. Be what we insist we're not. The party of "no". What other choice do we have? We've got nothing else. Be real, and plan accordingly.
Posted by: csmats at November 06, 2012 11:32 PM (pOSGo)
Hang on. The economy is going to fall over a cliff.
+ energy prices are going to hurt millions. Luckily - all of Obama wealthy supporters in hollywood don't care at all.
Posted by: Fresh at November 06, 2012 11:32 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:32 PM (tmzN0)
I called 08 in Feb 08. What goodie did I win?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:33 PM (jo069)
More receptive to Voter IDs Laws.
Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (gh+mp)
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You're not thinking this through. Holder is going to be the head of the DoJ for another four years. Look at the damage he did to the governors' efforts this time. He'll be coming after them even harder now.
Plus, we're going to be getting, at least, two new SCOTUS judges, so there won't be any help from them. They'll just double down on what Holder and the dictator say.
I've been really thinking about this since I accepted our loss, and I don't see any way out except by separating ourselves from DC.
Also, everyone talks about 2016. I have a feeling that's going to be way too late with this regime in power.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:34 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:34 PM (tmzN0)
I've also got to admire the press for really upping their game this time around. I don't think we were prepared for their new level of solidarity and commitment to reelecting this President. Next time we'll know.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:34 PM (SnU+8)
Who gives an F?
They've owned it for the last 30 years and they're doing just fine.
I'm so disillusioned with politics and this process.
I'm beyond pissed and I've swore more in my head the last few hours than I've ever done out loud.
But, it gets me nothing. All this 'rage' from our side got jack shit nothing.
But at least we've got these giant rallies to nowhere.
Posted by: gw mclintock at November 06, 2012 11:34 PM (oh9Ma)
Here in NC, we didn't eve have a Republican Atty General candidate on the fkn ballot. WTF???
Posted by: NC Ref at November 06, 2012 11:35 PM (/Rruc)
Fuck.
Obamacare is OVERWHELMINGLY unpopular. And yet a majority voted to go ahead and keep it.
WTF?
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 11:35 PM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Very grumpy momma bear at November 06, 2012 11:36 PM (1h0qv)
Posted by: Fresh at November 06, 2012 11:36 PM (O7ksG)
Can't do it. It's just not a laughing matter to me anymore. I think a hiatus of sorts is in order first and for some time to asses how I'm going to navigate getting more off the grid. Some lifestyle changes and mental readjusting is now in order and of primary import. I don't have the mental makeup to so quickly blow off the historic American failure I just witnessed. I'm probably going to have to give all my socks pink slips, too.
This is not a time for laughter even from the gallows.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 06, 2012 11:36 PM (eHIJJ)
Go Galt. Hasten the reset.
Posted by: GamerFromJump at November 06, 2012 11:37 PM (B4nBa)
I've heard that. If so, we are even closer to Idiocracy than I thought. Fuck, we're essentially already there.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:03 AM (HKONC)
My sis asked me, a disabled vet, why I would even think of voting R when they would take away my benefits. I tried to explain - this was not about me, short term, but about the US, long term.
Speaking of which, When the crash happened, and they started talking stimulus, I thought uh-oh, Japan just did this shit, I sure hope they know to stop at just one, if they think they really have to do it.
Nope, Stim, son of stim, all to keep the State & Fed. workers employed at their usual/higher pay, while the rest of us lost either hours/pay/jobs over the last few years, so it was supposed to keep the virtuous cycle going; "We are saving the States, ergo the state workers, to prevent a cascade effect while the private sector sheds jobs. It will be OK when the economy bounces back." Only problem? The economy did not bounce back.
And since O "saved" GM, the State & Fed. workers, and unions, not to mention blanket amnesty, the rubes think if they re-elect O, he'll just write another check.
Idiocracy, indeed!
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 11:37 PM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: Joe Biden at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (HNn1q)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (QBSp1)
Not to mention (and this will be unpopular), I will not stoop to the level of those treasonous suckers of cock who torched Bush's reform of Social Security and went bananas on the feds over a failure by Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco.
Obama won. Let him do whatever the hell he wants, and use that against him in 2016. OR MOVE, which is an increasingly attractive option
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (w4fEE)
This is a fucking disaster. I'll never speak to anyone who voted for Obama again. Any friends on facebook who are celebrating will get a 'fuckyou' on facebook, and real life.
This wasn't fantasy football.. your team didn't win and you get points.. This is real. We lost idiots.
Get ready for socialism morons! Oh btw little idiots, you know those credit cards? Yeah.. there are no credit cards in a socialistic society. You cannot borrow future earnings, because there aren't any. haha
btw fuckyou all, and spoiled baby boomers who voted for Obama? You are going to lose medicare advantage because of Obamacare. Don't you DARE ask me 'when did that happen?' I TOLD YOU SEVERAL TIMES, AND YOU WROTE ME OFF AS A RIGHTWINGER. GO TO HELL AND JUMP OUT A WINDOW
Posted by: The Teller of Hard Facts at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (5CDB2)
Posted by: Deety at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (QG3g9)
Thanks for all your hard work. Btw, your models showed that an '08 level of turnout compared to the Rs would result in a narrow O win.
It happened that way. Not your fault. Not our fault.
Fore more years.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 11:38 PM (ccXZP)
I am in no condition to be driving to work among even my fellow clearly-retarded Obama-voting brehtren tomorrow.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 06, 2012 11:39 PM (2l+qZ)
(a) 1%
(b) 2%
(c) 3%
(d) 4%
What are these numbers? They are, very roughly:
(a) 1%: The imagined current inflation rate. Food and fuel costs are about to go hugely higher thanks to supply/demand/policy, but magically, they aren't considered part of the inflation rate! Yet for some reason they both always have a dampening effect on the rest of the economy when they rise sharply. How silly of them.
(b) 2%: last quarter's annualized economic growth. Growth was weaker in the earlier quarters. Note that growth this year was weaker than that of the year before, and that year from the year before that. Draw the trend line. Obamanomics are not accelerating the economy. But rather decelerating it.
(c) 3%: Workforce growth. Note that when (c) is larger than (b), it means that per capita wealth and per capita incomes are going to be falling. They have done so for Obama's entire first term, pretty much. Don't expect this to change.
(d) 4%: the rate at which the debt to GDP ratio is rising per year. Our debt is at about 102% of GDP right now. That's explicit debt, not unfunded liabilities, of which there are many. 120% is the "point of no return" beyond which no nation has ever returned to independent solvency.
The only way that the next four years would be anything other than economically dire would be if there had been an abrupt change of policy course away from Obamanomics in all areas. That change option was considered and discarded by voters. They now will enjoy the full fruits of Obamanomic policy.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 06, 2012 11:39 PM (ymG7s)
I will no longer pay to see any movie with a leftwing Obama supporting star in it.
Not that I would go to a Will Farrell movie, i think he's a dork, but Will farrel et al - I'm looking at you.
Posted by: Fresh at November 06, 2012 11:39 PM (O7ksG)
Way too early for that latter part.
We don't even know that to be true, but the former ... the former
Holy shit on GOD's Anvil.
The GOP has proven the least likely of holy turd fucks to be worthy of a worm's dinner bell in Hell.
Nothing but contempt here.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:40 PM (jo069)
Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica, Katrina . . .
TFG will go down in flames over the next four years, and I'm giving early 50:1 odds that the House brings up articles of impeachment over Benghazi
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:40 PM (w4fEE)
We must get voter ID laws. This must be our mission over the next 4 years.
Posted by: Fresh at November 07, 2012 03:30 AM (O7ksG)
Voting machine don't care about ID.
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 06, 2012 11:40 PM (psSW6)
Well, it's not ALL his fault, but he certainly shares a part. He and Mourdock played right into the "WAR ON WOMEN" that apparently was massively successful. Voting with Lady Parts was quite the thing this year.
I'm as pro-life as they come - like Ryan and Santorum pro-life, but on abortion on a national political level? DO NOT CARE. It's the law. It's going to stay the law. Get the hell over it already. Fighting a fight that's been won already and settled for decades seems like a really foolish endeavor.
Posted by: Athena at November 06, 2012 11:41 PM (QS2qe)
Posted by: Old_dweeb at November 06, 2012 11:41 PM (GCzqx)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:41 PM (QBSp1)
In all seriousness and unfortunate sobriety, it's clear that we need to gut the GOP and get a new suite of campaign professionals in place in time for the next election. The Dems did a masterful job of finessing a huge number electoral votes despite a very close popular vote. And that despite the handicaps of DWS and Simple Joe.
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You can talk party hierarchy and practice till your blue in the face because that's not what defeated us tonight.
It's the "takers" that need to be subdued. You know, the unions (an impossible nut to crack with this victory) and the people from our "education system" that were indoctrinated to hate the principle of freedom.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:41 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:41 PM (PrzXs)
All this seems mostly racist.
Because Math.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 06, 2012 11:42 PM (2l+qZ)
How do we get 13 (! urgh) Senate seats and the Presidency in the next four years? Since apparently we can do off-year turnouts better, assume we want 7-10 pickups in 2014. Who are we gunning for?
My best guess of plausible pickups:
AK - Begich beat by _____
AR - Pryor beat by _____
CO - Udall beat by _____
LA - Landrieu beat by (Jindal?)
MN - Franken beat by _____
NH - Shaheen beat by _____
NC - Hagan beat by _____
SD - Johnson beat by _____
VA - Warner beat by _____
Warner's arguable, I left peripheral shots like Harkin, Baucus, and Merkley off the list.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:42 PM (fXInK)
You and others seem to be under the misapprehension that I think the situation is amusing. I do not. I do believe that at this time in particular we should remember that our values and principles are stronger, more self-consistent, and more just than those of the opposition. And I choose to express that remembrance through mockery of the opposition.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:42 PM (SnU+8)
lies instead of one big lie {Fla. polls are closed} that did us in. My
gut *knew* O in '08, and it *knew*R/R in '12.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky
I called 08 in Feb 08. What goodie did I win?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (jo069)
Are we playing one up and nobody told me? I posted that because I was trying to illustrate a point - in '08 I had never voted, and followed politics rather loosely. In 2010 I popped that cherry and really started paying attention - hence my "am I too close" comment.
As a libertarian, I always considered R's and D's 2 sides of the same coin, but I thought at least the R's expansion of gov't was for the betterment of all.
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 06, 2012 11:43 PM (uMfFZ)
Thanks for all your hard work. Btw, your models showed that an '08 level of turnout compared to the Rs would result in a narrow O win.
It happened that way. Not your fault. Not our fault.
Fore more years."
I suspect my models were right, but I guessed wrong on the turnout. But then, so did everyone. I'll look at them again at some point, not for awhile though.
Time to move on and figure out how I can avoid listening to the SCOAMF for 4 more years.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 06, 2012 11:43 PM (dX4hn)
Posted by: Cackfinger at November 06, 2012 11:43 PM (CCHli)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 06, 2012 11:43 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 06, 2012 11:44 PM (UvR6d)
Looks like I'll be hanging out in Galt's Gulch for another 4 years
Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2012 11:45 PM (MAhUT)
We must get voter ID laws. This must be our mission over the next 4 years.
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Good luck with that. Again, we still have Holder as the head of the DoJ. He'll thwart every effort to implement voter ID.
And unfortunately, by the time it gets to the SCOTUS, the dictator's justices will rule against any changes.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:45 PM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 06, 2012 11:46 PM (QBSp1)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2012 11:46 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:47 PM (CofEF)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 06, 2012 11:47 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Texas Ranger at November 06, 2012 11:48 PM (IvvrO)
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 06, 2012 11:48 PM (1QsHl)
Well, you're about to find out how pedantic that thin coin is.
3 socialist judges on SCOTUS?
Don't even bother complaining.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:48 PM (jo069)
Mandate??? Barack doesn't need one when he's willing to do everything with Czars and Executive Orders... You think after getting him elected twice the MSM is going to report anything this guy does...
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This is what I've been trying to tell everyone here that's been coming up with solutions using the "old" American method.
The United States as we've known it has ceased to exist. There's going to be a whole new way of doing things now.
Posted by: Soona at November 06, 2012 11:49 PM (YDXSQ)
I'm just going to give up trying to get into the minds of others. Clearly my brain doesn't work in the same manner as theirs.
Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2012 11:49 PM (0DlnM)
When Sharia comes I won't be giving a shit about women's rights. Or gays. Or Jews.
You voted for the JEF, you get the rewards.
Posted by: Jack at November 06, 2012 11:49 PM (wUFaM)
Posted by: not the mama at November 06, 2012 11:49 PM (kzCIn)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 06, 2012 11:50 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:50 PM (fXInK)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 06, 2012 11:51 PM (AZGON)
I'm satisfied that the darkness of the previous thread has lightened by several shades in this one. It wasn't healthy.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:51 PM (SnU+8)
Honduras' new private libertarian city is looking better and better . . .
Posted by: The Q at November 06, 2012 11:52 PM (w4fEE)
Posted by: chaz at November 06, 2012 11:52 PM (C45Td)
Posted by: A. at November 06, 2012 11:52 PM (kjTzB)
Posted by: Chalky at November 06, 2012 11:52 PM (nm4/M)
Buck up, and figure out how to win next time. Or are the principles our side believes in really just pretty words we like to hear?
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:53 PM (fXInK)
Indefinitely.
Posted by: mb at November 06, 2012 11:53 PM (GBHFQ)
The Corner is apparently still following the Assisted Suicide Act in MA....
Judging by how they have voted the last 20 years, I think I am a late switcher to "for".
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 06, 2012 11:53 PM (4ABat)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 06, 2012 11:53 PM (5NUzI)
That I'm grieving many things. The future of America.
But one thing I don't know that anyone else has expressed.
I'm sad, I'm really sad, that America has tragically passed up on the opportunity of a ROMNEY/RYAN ticket.
IMO, the best Republican ticket in my lifetime. And maybe beyond that.
IMO, this is beyond a Republican or conservative ticket. This is about a very specific HISTORICAL OPPORTUNITY.
The USA passed on a Romney/ Ryan ticket-- when I'm hard pressed to think of ANYONE in the entire USA (who's politically viable) better suited for the present challenges and crises facing the USA/ White House than these two men, with their specific skills, sets of expertise and knowledge etc.
Seriously-- It's a fucking tragedy. I mean that. in the full sense of the word "tragedy".
God, god save us. Fuck. But IMO the USA's best chance for salvation-- a Romney/ Ryan ticket--
is gone.
Posted by: lael at November 06, 2012 11:53 PM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2012 11:54 PM (wLibB)
Posted by: geoff
Get ready for a shit load of worse.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 06, 2012 11:54 PM (jo069)
If he knows he looks like an ass the way he struts...he'll strut more often etc.
Posted by: Bendover at November 06, 2012 11:54 PM (psSW6)
Posted by: chaz at November 06, 2012 11:54 PM (C45Td)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 06, 2012 11:54 PM (ogdab)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 06, 2012 11:55 PM (sZTYJ)
More able hands than mine will have to deal with that. I'm just the salve for the evening.
Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2012 11:56 PM (SnU+8)
Don't get angry... get even.
* * * * *
This.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:56 PM (fXInK)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 06, 2012 11:56 PM (jts1f)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 06, 2012 11:57 PM (UvR6d)
THIS IS THE 2nd CYCLE IN A ROW WHERE GOP COMPLETELY IGNORED HISPANICS.
I am Hispanic. Conservative. GOP is a a bunch of fucktards. Hispanics will respond positively if you just try. Bush did it in 00/04 and almost got 45-50% of the Hispanic vote.
McCain and Romney completely ignored Hispanics... and well... low 20s%.
GET A FREAKING CLUE. Its NOT about immigration. Hispanics are traditional family (try calling a straight Hispanic gay without getting decked... hello.... "machismo"). Traditional family. Fiscal conservatives (spend no more than you make -- heck, many dont even have bank accounts which means... no credit cards, no debt... spend only the cash on them).
Until the GOP learns how to speak to Hispanics, this pain is only going to get worse!
For those offended. Good. WHAT THE FUCK UP.
Posted by: Learn to Love Socialism at November 06, 2012 11:57 PM (gKz+d)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 06, 2012 11:57 PM (fXInK)
Posted by: Adriane at November 06, 2012 11:57 PM (gh+mp)
The barkeep shakes his head sadly and says "Michael Moore was in earlier and ate all the booths. But if you hurry, there's a place for 490 of you in Debbie Wassermann Schultz's cooter hair."
A mad scramble occurs.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 06, 2012 11:58 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows the nation is dead at November 06, 2012 11:58 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: chaz at November 06, 2012 11:58 PM (C45Td)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 06, 2012 11:59 PM (PrzXs)
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 06, 2012 11:59 PM (sZTYJ)
Can't do it. It's just not a laughing matter to me anymore.
Oh, for Christ's sake.
When facing the existential threat of Nazism and imperial Japan, Americans laughed their asses off.
This ought to make you ashamed of yourself.
In The Longest Day, by Cornelius Ryan, a war correspondent hit Omaha Beach with the Rangers. They were under murderous machine-gun fire, most of it from MG42s that spat out 1500 rounds per minute.
The correspondent waded through seawater reddened with the blood of dead Americans and made his way to a steel hedgehog, the obstacle that looks like a giant jack made of girders. There were two American soldiers huddled behind it, their only protection from the streams of bullets that kicked up sand in their faces.
As the correspondent flung himself down beside these soldiers, he heard one say to the other, "I'm telling you for the last time: In this man's army the canteen is worn on the right hip!"
We survived the Great Depression; we survived FDR and his totally illegal big-government schemes and Supreme Court packing; and we survived World War II.
We'll survive one more term of Obama, and we should laugh all the way through it.
Posted by: Llarry at November 06, 2012 11:59 PM (SI/pw)
As far as I'm concerned, those states that went for Baraka tonight I will not consider part of America.
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (YDXSQ)
Good point. Time to update my shit list.
Posted by: Flounder at November 06, 2012 11:59 PM (Kkt/i)
is gone.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (tUcg9)
Agreed.
If people of clean moral character and love of country like RR can lose, what is there? They were a fresh start to changing the image of the corrupt politician...the first ones..and America said.."Nah..we'll pass.
Where do you go from there....mix a little sleeze into it again??
Posted by: Bendover at November 07, 2012 12:00 AM (psSW6)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:00 AM (JycCV)
I hope you give those 2 a well deserved punch in the face.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler at November 07, 2012 12:00 AM (xk0Xg)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 12:01 AM (QG3g9)
Posted by: Boone at November 07, 2012 12:01 AM (tIyK2)
I struck my Colors the day that Obamacare passed. It was the day it became undeniable to me that the Untied States of America had ceased to exist in any form close to what is spelled out in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. We became a banana republic the night that Abomination was shoved up our collective asses.
Only my Gadston has flown since then.
I was REALLY looking forward to raising Old Glory to where it rightfully belongs tonight. I viewed the inevitable victory of Romny and Ryan as the sign that this nation was going to start back on a path to sanity.
It seems that I was wrong. We are now firmly in the hands of the lunatics running the asylum.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 12:01 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: logprof engaging in sports superstition at November 07, 2012 12:01 AM (jKE+Z)
For those offended. Good. WHAT THE FUCK UP. Posted by: Learn to Love Socialism
Not so sure you helped your message with the moniker, Learn to Love Socialism.
But yes, the GOP in CA particularly has failed. If not for the fact that they closed their permanent offices this year, well DUH, pendejo.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 12:02 AM (jo069)
Keep calm and start plotting for 2013 & 2014. 2010 has demonstrated we can kick their ass. Proper planning now means victory in 2014!
Don't get angry... get even.
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I believe we'll have another election. Just not the traditional American kind. Remember. These people have four years of lame-duck destruction to wreak. They'll be really flexible.
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:02 AM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Y. Sam at November 07, 2012 12:02 AM (TtLsS)
If you didn't vote for Romney?
I don't think I will ever forgive you. Not that you should care what I think.
But what do you think of yourself-- in the harsh light of day.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 12:02 AM (tUcg9)
The tequila don't work.
We didn't win here, I don't think we can win anywhere. We are just going to have to ride it out until the fed crumbles. That will take a while. It is going to suck. Europe has been at it for a long long time. We have at least that long to go.
My poor kids.
Posted by: mrshad at November 07, 2012 12:02 AM (0yAqu)
We can do the circular firing squad game, and talk about how Romney should have done this or that, but I think the answer is staring us in the face. There's a lot of people that love Uncle Sugar too much.
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Oh, absolutely. And I would never talk down Mitt. Romney-Ryan was a fantastic choice for America, and the presidential ticket I've been proudest to vote for. Yes, it wasn't enough, but 24 hours ago we weren't buying into the idea that Americans will only vote for a dole, or that our party is on the edge of extinction because we could lose the popular vote by fractions of a percentage point* to an incumbent.
*What if this was 2000 again, and we'd won OH/FL/CO by the narrowest of margins despite losing what looks like 49.9-49.0 popular vote? We'd be overjoyed, right? This wailing is just fun for trolls and irritating for anyone who is even-keeled.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:03 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 12:03 AM (UjSt7)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:03 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: Adriane at November 07, 2012 12:04 AM (gh+mp)
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 12:04 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: MSM at November 07, 2012 12:04 AM (wUFaM)
I just want to take a second to give a giant "FUCK YOU!" to that selfish bastard Todd Akin for singlehandedly allowing Claire McCaskill to continue to fuck up my country for another six years.
If Akin and Mourdock haven't made it clear, if you're pro-life and seeking high office you had better have an intelligent and compassionate-sounding answer ready when someone in the media asks you about rape babies, because they are going to ask.
Dumbasses....
Okay, I feel better.
Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 12:04 AM (/2nEx)
No matter what this Marxist cockgobbler did, I figured the economy, propelled by self-interest, would of itself rebound massively, as it always had, and ensure the grinning gargoyle's second term, if only he secured the first unicorn-rainbow-fraud "victory".
Then, well, then we endured anemic GDP growth after year of anemic GDP growth. We saw sclerotic, ridiculous unemployment "gains", unworthy of the name. Maybe, I thought, there'd be a chance. Maybe the nation could see, first-hand, what this grasping greedy Marxist fuckknob was doing to the country, what his parasitic policies were doing to THEMSELVES.
Oh no.
That might require forethought.
Underemphasize not the cupidity of thy fellow parasite, I guess.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 12:05 AM (2l+qZ)
Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 12:06 AM (wUFaM)
Posted by: logprof engaging in sports superstition at November 07, 2012 12:06 AM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: Lucifer at November 07, 2012 12:06 AM (jts1f)
--
Military coup?
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 12:06 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:07 AM (5NUzI)
It's over. The country we love is no more. Next will come Amnesty, and the flood of new Hispanic voters will make this country as leftwing as California. And as bankrupt.
That doesn't even take into account the series of 9-11 attacks that are coming; and the second Holocaust that is now a certainty when Iran gets the bomb and nukes Israel.
Sorry Ace, there is nothing funny here. There will likely be nothing funny ever again.
It is only doom and death.
We are finished.
Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 12:07 AM (26SQP)
Yea i got nothing
Ye bastard!
At least tell me how Helen Thomas might have show up for Government-Mandated Reproduction-Time.
Wait, is that worse ...
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 12:07 AM (2l+qZ)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 12:07 AM (bxiXv)
The simple fact is, there are WAAAAY too many people who think the gov't is made of money and exists only to give them stuff.
The sadly comical thing is, it isn't.
Off the fiscal cliff, hell with it. Congress need not compromise.
Fuck it. The only way we wean the nation off the tit is to starve it.
Guns and ammo, and canned goods. FTW, nite.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 07, 2012 12:08 AM (4ABat)
Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 12:08 AM (ytax8)
The left worships diversity and socialism, and so Obama really is their Messiah. The media went into shameless propaganda mode, even to the point of outright lying. That's a hell of a thing to try to overcome. Mitt still had to use kid gloves, lest he appear to be picking on a "black man", even if it didn't seem as bad as for McCain. I don't blame Mitt. I blame them, and the chimps they have brainwashed.
The Leftist establishment has finished siezing control.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 07, 2012 12:08 AM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:09 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Chalky at November 07, 2012 12:09 AM (nm4/M)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:09 AM (5NUzI)
loosely. In 2010 I popped that cherry and really started paying
attention - hence my "am I too close" comment.As a libertarian, I always
considered R's and D's 2 sides of the same coin, but I thought at least
the R's expansion of gov't was for the betterment of all.Posted by: Amy Shulkusky
Well, you're about to find out how pedantic that thin coin is.
3 socialist judges on SCOTUS?
Don't even bother complaining.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (jo069)
And you wonder why you can't turn tyros to your side?
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 12:10 AM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:10 AM (jts1f)
No italics no peace!
(I can be securely bought off my impotent rage with 24 hours of canoodling with "Italic" Monica Bellucci)
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 07, 2012 12:10 AM (2l+qZ)
Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 12:10 AM (C45Td)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 12:11 AM (SKX2R)
NY just voted for TFG, who will loot the entire country.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Posted by: Mayday at November 07, 2012 12:11 AM (F3s39)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:11 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:11 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:03 AM (fXInK)
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It still hasn't sunk into your mind what just happened tonight. Your treating this like many of the elitist repubs and pundits did. Just another election. Ho hum.
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:12 AM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Amy Shulkusk
No, I wonder what the fuck a 'tyros' means.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 07, 2012 12:12 AM (jo069)
Seriously. I know a bunch of Hispanics, mostly from Mexico, many illegal (as told to me by the guy that runs the local Latino soccer league). But they work 12+ hours a day 5-6 days a week, are Catholics totally opposed to abortion, and believe in the family structure. I have no idea how to convince them that they live a conservative lifestyle and should vote that way. Tell me.
Posted by: NC Ref at November 07, 2012 12:12 AM (/Rruc)
Romney/Ryan is the first ticket I actually enjoyed voting for and truly believed in. I still believe in Ryan in the House, but this is a crushing blow given the strong character of both men
Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 12:13 AM (w4fEE)
If that makes me an extremist so be it.
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Only if defeatism is extremism. Maybe a Vichy extremist.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:13 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:13 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 12:13 AM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 12:14 AM (SnU+8)
Drudge has a headline "Fear of looting grips NYC."
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For the first time in my life, I'm rooting for the looters.
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:14 AM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Funk Nasty at November 07, 2012 12:14 AM (QBSp1)
Posted by: Stinky Weaselton at November 07, 2012 12:15 AM (yqmcK)
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Hahahaha, no, I'm just not willing to play France 1940 like a significant minority here seems to.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:16 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 12:16 AM (y2Ojs)
Romney ran against an incumbent who had the national press openly rooting for him, covering up his crimes and blunders, and creating a caricature of Romney that didn't exist, yet Romney got within one percentage point of Obama.
To say that we're now a nation of worthless freeloaders is absurd.
The answer to why we lost is simple, as expressed in the exit polls: The majority of the country still blames Bush for our economic problems and thinks Obama deserves more time to "fix" them, and the majority of the country felt that Romney's policies would benefit "the rich" at the expense of everyone else.
These same people accused of being moochers also added to the Republican majority in the House and elected more Republican governors than at any time in history.
The Republicans couldn't overcome the narrative about their presidential candidate. That's all. Maybe no Republican could've.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:17 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:17 AM (5NUzI)
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I do need to go to work tomorrow, but I don't take orders from randos on a site who call "troll".
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:17 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 12:17 AM (QG3g9)
Wow, about the last person expressing hope and optimism I had on my list of commenters.
So, you're saying it's 'fix bayonets' before the charge, not after?
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 12:18 AM (ccXZP)
Speak for yourself, please.
I am sure I speak for tens of millions.
I am not the type to commit suicide, but could understand now what might drive people to it - knowing that everything you believed in has failed you.
Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 12:18 AM (26SQP)
Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 12:18 AM (ytax8)
Posted by: chaz at November 07, 2012 12:19 AM (C45Td)
Posted by: Jack at November 07, 2012 12:20 AM (wUFaM)
Posted by: Boone at November 07, 2012 12:20 AM (tIyK2)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:21 AM (5NUzI)
You see the big picture, which is much more complicated. More Republican governors and strengthening the Republican majority in the House means that we're not embracing socialism.
Romney lost because he wasn't able to convince people that he was a better alternative. Most people don't know about Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or how horrible Obamacare is.
That's why they stuck with Obama.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:21 AM (SI/pw)
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I'm not arguing about the suckitude; I'm arguing that we've been tripped and need to pick ourselves up, and it's silly to see the others of our merry band who have tripped and fallen, and who are now writhing on the ground saying that they're still falling into a bottomless abyss.
(I voted Huckabee as McCain protest, as the primaries were all but decided by the time my state got around to them in '08. Again: Mitt is the Republican I'm proudest to have voted for [not an old-timer, so no Reagan vote here].)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:22 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 12:22 AM (tDieS)
Posted by: Michael from West Oz at November 07, 2012 12:23 AM (tVNRZ)
They honestly believed it was single-payer or subsidized their future plans, and NONE of them could specifically state where they got that information.
Pretty much the world runs on lies. Most of them probably got it from hollywood or MSNBC or Yahoo news or whatever useless crap they consume like baby birds.
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 04:07 AM (bxiXv)
There was a damn good reason that only property owners got the vote under the vision of the Founding Fathers. People who have skin in the game vote VERY DIFFERENTLY that those sucking on the Government tit.
Take decades of schools deliberately dumbing down students and feeding them Socialist BULL SHIT and you end up with people voting that haven't the first fucking clue about how ANYTHING works. They are fed lies every Goddamn day from school and Media. Shit that wouldn't seem possible in a fucking Fairy Tale is bought without question by these sheeple and now the rest of us get to go down screaming with them.
Why do you think that so many people push the lie that we're a "democracy"? Democracy is 50%+1 deciding what the other 49.999999999% will do. This nation WAS a Constitutional Republic until the Left began chipping away at it long before I was born.
We now exist within the wreckage of that and I frankly see no hope of correcting it on the fly. It's going to have to be torn down to its foundation, the rotting timbers and rat infested walls that have been cobbled on removed and destroyed before anything resembling what this Nation started out as will every have a chance to be again.
I cringe at what the world will become as other powers rush in to fill the vacuum we leave.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 12:24 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: Jean at November 07, 2012 12:24 AM (iy7de)
Posted by: geoff at November 07, 2012 12:25 AM (SnU+8)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:25 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 12:25 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:26 AM (YDXSQ)
This shit was very stressful because, yeah, I thought Romney would win decisively.
So now I'm having a Schlitz and a couple of benzos. I won't remember a thing about this night tomorrow.---- Hopefully I don't buy too much stupid shit on Amazon or something.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:26 AM (b1iOR)
It's a fucking TRAGEDY that the 2 men probably best suited to the herculean challenges-- and the very particular problems-- facing the United States of America at this particular moment in history--
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan--
have been rejected, in favor of...
Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
I've actually thrown up tonight (and intellectually, I can't stop throwing up).
I fear this is one of those moments in history people will look back and think--
WTF where you THINKING?
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 12:26 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (JycCV)
Once upon a time I considered Australia my relief valve if things went badly here. Then I heard about YOUR gubmint and immigration policies, and there went that idea right out the window.
I blame Crocodile Dundee.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (ccXZP)
When facing the existential threat of Nazism and imperial Japan, Americans laughed their asses off.
This ought to make you ashamed of yourself."
First, this isn't an enemy from outside wherein people of common beliefs unified to defeat "the other." The Other is us. We have an existential threat from within and it is those who would embrace socialism/Marxism and destroy that which made America. That threat isn't some imaginary, small faction to be sloughed off. It's approaching 50% of the nation in a nation wherein demographics have been swinging pretty strongly to amplify those already present and desirous of raiding someone else's coffers while diminishing their ability to self-support.
Second, piss off on your attempt to shame. You cope however you want but blow it up your ass on dictating to others how they should handle events.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (5NUzI)
WTF where you THINKING?
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 04:26 AM (tUcg9)
President Freebies rides again.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (b1iOR)
Don't know if directed at me, but it was an honest, "Wow, look at those weird numbers" question, not a recrimination. The SoCons shouldn't be slammed for anything, we just need a vetting process/rhetorical boot camp for...certain candidates.
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"The only reason that I'm not in the basement reloading for stress relief instead of blogging, is that it is really late and I've been drinking and I don't want to spend all next weekend with the bullet puller."
Do whatever you gotta do. I had to chain-smoke my way through a few hours.
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"But you're one person I don't want in my foxhole should the shooting start."
But it won't, so I guess we can still be friends.
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"You see the big picture, which is much more complicated. More Republican governors and strengthening the Republican majority in the House means that we're not embracing socialism."
Yeah. Is tonight disappointing? Good god yes. My most disappointing experience electorally (again, not an old-timer) ever. But is it game over? Only if you're not playing anymore...
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:28 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 12:29 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:30 AM (jts1f)
Posted by: Eric R. at November 07, 2012 12:30 AM (JbRmM)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:22 AM (fXInK)
Just can't get into it...And I'm made of tough stuff.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 12:31 AM (y2Ojs)
Wow, about the last person expressing hope and optimism I had on my list of commenters.
So, you're saying it's 'fix bayonets' before the charge, not after?
I'm optimistic because this was a mixed bag. Yes, Romney lost, but that was only because he couldn't overcome the summer-long campaign to kill him. It worked. The media helped by portraying him as a heartless, cold, bumbling, cartoon Republican.
I'm convinced that if every American knew what we all know about Obama and understood what we all know about the economy and foreign policy, Romney would've won by 70 percent.
The country rejected Romney, not conservativism. They didn't trust him, and they still blame Bush. They believed Obama when he said that he just needed more time.
We just elected more Republican governors than any time in our history. That doesn't gibe with the notion that we're all socialists now.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:31 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:32 AM (5NUzI)
WAGOPinTX:
Right. I made that point over at HA while everyone was looking for razors and pens to write a note. This election demonstrates the value of slick packaging; we already knew the American people love them some anything that comes in a nice shiny box even if it's a polished turd and this is pretty much a literal affirmation of that. We just need someone who's telegenic, can articulate conservatism and sound intelligent as they do it, and we have one or two people like that in positions of power already. Second terms are always a letdown, the House gets to keep Jug Ears in check, and the Rubio for President campaign starts tomorrow. Those should be encouraging thoughts.
Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 12:32 AM (/2nEx)
Posted by: billdo at November 07, 2012 12:33 AM (JjC9W)
Posted by: D at November 07, 2012 12:33 AM (TtLsS)
Tonight is rough, without a doubt. But this is the salve thread, not the "let's see if we can whine as bad as the other guys do when they lose" thread. Concern for and consideration of the present; optimism for the future. Like, say, our candidate.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:33 AM (fXInK)
First, this isn't an enemy from outside wherein people of common beliefs unified to defeat "the other." The Other is us. We have an existential threat from within and it is those who would embrace socialism/Marxism and destroy that which made America. That threat isn't some imaginary, small faction to be sloughed off. It's approaching 50% of the nation in a nation wherein demographics have been swinging pretty strongly to amplify those already present and desirous of raiding someone else's coffers while diminishing their ability to self-support.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (eHIJJ)
You can go back all the way to the French revolution, particularly the English's reaction to it, and find lots of evidence of that self-loathing impulse lurking in the heart of the Left.
Just read Hazlitt excoriating Wordsworth and Coleridge for no longer supporting the Revolution. (Yeah, sorry Hazlitt, the Terror had that effect on normal human beings.) Read some of the deranged shit Thomas Jefferson wrote, one time hoping the killings continued until only one new Adam and Eve were left to repopulate a 'free' country.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:33 AM (b1iOR)
THIS IS THE 2nd CYCLE IN A ROW WHERE GOP COMPLETELY IGNORED HISPANICS.
I am Hispanic. Conservative. GOP is a a bunch of fucktards. Hispanics will respond positively if you just try. Bush did it in 00/04 and almost got 45-50% of the Hispanic vote...
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Why not give up the "hispanic" bullshit and start calling yourselves Americans. Fuck you.
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:34 AM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:34 AM (5NUzI)
Bullshit. He lost because Obama made him out to be a boogeyman, and the media was more than happy to help him along.
Every media outfit in the US, save Fox News, should be boycotted by conservatives. Launch boycotts against companies that advertise, especially on NBC and ABC.
You just agreed with me. Romney wasn't able to convince people he was a better alternative BECAUSE the Dems and the media made him out to be a boogeyman.
Even so, he got within one percentage point. So all this talk of how everything we ever believed in is out the window is an overreaction.
The electorate narrowly rejected Romney the man, not conservative ideology.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:35 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:36 AM (JycCV)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (fXInK)
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Fuck off!
Posted by: Soona at November 07, 2012 12:36 AM (YDXSQ)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 12:37 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:38 AM (JycCV)
That's all well and good, except it didn't happen.
Yes, I'm aware it didn't happen. My point is that the only reason Romney lost is because he was falsely defined.
People take this election to mean that the U.S. embracing statism. If so, why did the same voters strengthen the "obstructionist" Republican majority in the House?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:38 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 12:38 AM (8HhF2)
In a word... no. We knew a decent bit of Obama's history but his tangible record was pretty thin. It was Mr. "Present" afterall. We could understand a naive electorate at the time due to the MFM embargoes. This time there's simply no excuse. Obama and the Progressives have an abominable record and, yet, here we are.
The situation is much worse, our problems deeper.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 12:38 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:38 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 12:39 AM (QG3g9)
I've always been disappointed in our candidates' understanding of conservative philosophy. But we're not going to get a Thomas Sowell elected.
I think our best bet is to jettison some aspects of So-Con and go libertarian on a few things (NOT abortion).
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:39 AM (b1iOR)
Bullshit. He lost because Obama made him out to be a boogeyman, and the media was more than happy to help him along.
Every media outfit in the US, save Fox News, should be boycotted by conservatives. Launch boycotts against companies that advertise, especially on NBC and ABC.
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:28 AM (5NUzI)
This plus elventy billion!
Stop and think for one minute how the last 5 years or so would look if we had a Press and Media that was even SOMEWHAT objective.
The non-stop promotion, protection and cheer leading of the so-called "Fourth Estate" is worth millions of votes to the JEF and all those that follow in his wake.
If every gaffe, stumble, "uh" and outright bullshit lie was followed up as it was done with Bush, the Alleged Hawaiian wouldn't have gotten past the 2008 primary. Anyone that took a solid hour and researched Obama outside of MSM sources and stories, would have had alarms ringing in their heads.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 12:39 AM (pR0/y)
The problem is, Romney is one of the best exemplars as a "man" of that conservative ideology.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 12:40 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:40 AM (5NUzI)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 12:41 AM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:42 AM (5NUzI)
His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.
Yep. Chauncey Gardner ain't getting shit done in the next two years, and unless the GOP fucks up royally (which they may!) an incumbent president almost always gets killed in his sixth year midterm. It sucks we don't get to undo any of the damage he did in his first term but at least he's not going to be able to make things a whole lot worse.
Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 12:43 AM (/2nEx)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:44 AM (JycCV)
Posted by: fnord at November 07, 2012 12:44 AM (Hsgnv)
It took a while to accomplish it, and I took a beating, but I divested myself from the last vestiges of any real estate holding in NY recently. The time to get out is now while you can still maybe salvage $.30 on a dollar.
NY will continue to shed population/business as the perma-recession grinds on, and collapsing tax bases drive tax rates ever high. They've been in that death spiral for a few years now. There is no politically attainable way out.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 12:45 AM (HDTVy)
I'd be tempted to let him get some of his shit done, simply because it will be a net negative on him. For instance, forget saving the Bush tax cuts... let 'em all slide.
The media will blame the Republicans anyway, so why not let Obama do some of what he wants?
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:45 AM (b1iOR)
But this time is different? Color me skeptical. They happen to have brought forward an easily-carried candidate for two elections. Look at that bench (remember how we all laughed at the nobodies at their convention) and tell me they can pull Mayor Castro or Elizabeth Warren across the line in a national race with a straight face.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:46 AM (fXInK)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:46 AM (jts1f)
It's based on reality.
If everything we've ever believed in is now dead, why did the same voters strengthen the Republican House majority and elect thirty Republican governors? Can someone please answer that?
People voted to retain Obama out of ignorance. In less than two years they're going to be squealing like stuck pigs when everything they don't know about yet bites them in the ass.
Romney--as thoroughly as he was trashed by the Dems and the media--got within one percentage point of Obama.
If everything we believe in is now dead, how did that happen?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:46 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 12:46 AM (5NUzI)
But no one is arguing we won, just arguing that the suicide pacts are premature and silly.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:47 AM (fXInK)
Exactly. Ryan's not a dumbass so he would know how to handle the question if someone asked him about it.
So since this question seems to be one that traps dumbasses we should make a point to ask it of our candidates ourselves during primary season. Akin gets that question a couple months earlier before the primary and says what he says then as of right now Claire McCaskill would no longer be a senator. That is an appealing thought.
Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 12:47 AM (/2nEx)
Posted by: Where're my ping pong balls at November 07, 2012 12:47 AM (YxaXw)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 12:48 AM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 12:48 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:48 AM (fXInK)
Let's see Dickhead get another Stimulus or his vaunted "jobs bill" through that "jack shit" House.
His shit is dead on arrival there. Period. And without both bodies, he doesn't get "jack shit" done.
Posted by: Anson Mitchell at November 07, 2012 04:38 AM (5NUzI)
I have two words for you... "Executive Order".
Or how about another two... "The Bureaucracy".
Obama doesn't give one flying rat-fuck about "checks and balances" or "Constitutional limits". He doesn't give 2 shits about "the law" either. He's a Chicago Thug raised as a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist and now he has 4 years to wreak whatever vengeance he chooses on a beaten country teetering on the brink of the Abyss.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 12:48 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 04:33 AM (fXInK)
If you think you're some wise-sage-type, I gotta say, I'm not listening.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 12:49 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 12:51 AM (JycCV)
Also, I always hear this from the smartest guys in the room: "The Republicans simply must reach out to Hispanics!" Yeah no shit. Unfortunately they're always at a loss when it comes to HOW exactly we do that without sacrificing core principles. The American people have proven they love them some style over substance, so I say we reach out to Hispanics and women by putting nothing but on the national ticket. Rubio-Haley 2016!!!
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 12:51 AM (tDieS)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:51 AM (jts1f)
The House doesn't amount to fuck-all with Supreme Court appointments and a President that thinks 'checks and balances' and the constitution are overrated.
You're talking past the people who are trying to get you to see that what happened tonight was not an informed choice to embrace statism.
Everything you're saying is true, but the average schlub voter doesn't think about Supreme Court nominees. The average voter doesn't know that Obama is violating the Constitution at every turn.
Part of the blame has to lie with Republicans for not screaming it from the rooftops. The average voter is stupid and blind, not a newly minted socialist.
The job at hand is to get more information out and elect people who can defend themselves effectively against false charges. Romney let Obama define him. That was a fatal mistake.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:52 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 12:52 AM (SKX2R)
Did you ever think that maybe the American people prefer Republican governors with the option to suck at the teat of the feds?
There's a major difference between pure federalism advocates like Perry and guys like Christie, who claim to cut budgets but, in reality, use federal funds to disguise their fuzzy math?
Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 12:52 AM (w4fEE)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 12:53 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 12:54 AM (SKX2R)
"It's got electrolytes!"
Truly, that is the point we've reached in the history of our great nation.
Hard to stir the humour part when the gut still hurts, but thanks for the attempts
Posted by: Linlithgow at November 07, 2012 12:54 AM (Gim9y)
A crazy mother came up to the AP reporter and told her that the challenger got a vaccine that made him/her a retarded slut
Posted by: The Q at November 07, 2012 12:55 AM (w4fEE)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 12:55 AM (jKE+Z)
I get you're depressed but don't lose sight of reality. Yeah Jug Ears can issue Executive Orders but he can't do an end run around Congress and just write law with them. SCOTUS kicked that in the crotch back when Truman tried to do it and besides, if Congress really doesn't want to do something it has a way of not happening no matter what the president says. You want proof? Bam issued an Executive Order closing Gitmo on his third day in office. It's still open.
Posted by: alchemist19 at November 07, 2012 12:55 AM (/2nEx)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:55 AM (jts1f)
No. Not really.
But if it makes you feel better for the next 4 years until you have a shitty night for 3 hours, and then swing back to the sweet narcotic of optimism, I suppose it's worth it.
I notice you and the rest of the self-indulgent "We're DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!" drama queens are unable to answer my two questions:
1. If we've embraced socialism and rejected core American values, why did we strengthen the GOP House majority?
2. If we've embraced socialism and rejected core American values, why did we elect the most GOP governors in history?
Simple questions that I've only asked about five times. A two-fisted realist like you ought to be able to deal with them.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Peter at November 07, 2012 12:56 AM (KJjzd)
2) A culture that now thinks free shit is awesome.
I get the cheerleading for the House. I just don't think it should detract from the fact that this is a loss and we need to attack those two issues immediately."
1. We've dealt with them for decades and decades, but yeah, concur. I feel as if we're making sloooow progress on this front with the expansion of alternate media, we should make it a point to vet our primaries of the gaaaaaffe-prone, and there's some things that could make it impossible them to sell an "improvement" bill of goods...
2. ...such as, if we were feeling vindictive, punting and letting taxes go up? The more I think about the short-term hurt that would do vs the long-term gain, the more I "like" it, but it seems like gaming with real people's lives. Free shit *is* awesome. Of course this free stuff isn't actually free; how do you convey that in meaningful actions vs just saying "this isn't free, ya know". The deficit hasn't won anybody any election on its own.
Concur on the need to immediately begin plotting the 2012-2014 roadmap.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (fXInK)
The voters were conservative in the bad way; they retained Obama because of familiarity, better the devil you know, that sort of reasoning.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (jts1f)
Take care. I'm probably going to pull the plug on virtually all the political sites and say "fuck it".
I became politically "aware" after 9/11 and since 2008 have become pretty much a political/information junky. Tonight just has pounded the shit out me. It's all going to go straight to Hell at warp speed from now until at least 2014 and even if we manage to get some more "R's" elected I doubt it will amount to anything more than trying to stop a loaded freight train by putting your hand out the window and hoping the extra drag will help.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 12:58 AM (pR0/y)
Obama has ruled by EO decree for the last two years and none of the constitutional mechanisms have stopped him. He's issued more EO's than any other past president.
Many of them are straight up dictatorship stuff like the Ralls wind farms EO
http://tinyurl.com/8wdz92j
There's no defensible explanation for how some Chinese owners of a wind farm could possibly be a national security issue, even if the freaking PLA were the book owners. The offered "credible evidence" was tissue thin and steeped in the "bad crazy" kind of paranoia.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 12:59 AM (HDTVy)
I think this once a week, frankly.
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (fXInK)
Isn't there a MUCH simpler explaination?
If this was President Barry O'Bama the white Irishman, he'd be out on his ear.
He gets a free pass because he's the historic politically correct President, is all.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at November 07, 2012 01:00 AM (RstsB)
There's a major difference between pure federalism advocates like Perry and guys like Christie, who claim to cut budgets but, in reality, use federal funds to disguise their fuzzy math?
I have no idea what you just said. If people want governors who suck at the teats of the feds, nobody does it better than Democrats.
Why would they choose a Republican to do it when a Dem would get them even more goodies and would tax the shit out of the evil rich to boot?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:01 AM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Edward Cropper at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (Lt3vg)
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:02 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 07, 2012 01:04 AM (JycCV)
Buy used dvd sets for shows you haven't seen. Forget what's new. Just avoid giving these bastards a dime.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (b1iOR)
Such as:
Yes, Herr Ortsgruppenleiter, I'm sure in your Fancy Unicorn Land that makes sense.
That is not true, Herr Blockwart . The seas did not magically rise when Der Fuhrer was re-elected.
Posted by: Linlithgow at November 07, 2012 01:06 AM (Gim9y)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:07 AM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:56 AM (SI/pw)
Llarry...Llarry?...When a truly wonderful man such as Mitt Romney can be defeated by a truly utterable, SCOAMF then that should answer your question.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 01:08 AM (QG3g9)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:09 AM (jKE+Z)
The voters were conservative in the bad way; they retained Obama because of familiarity, better the devil you know, that sort of reasoning.
That doesn't address the issue of why they elected more Republicans in the House and governorships.
They clearly stayed with Obama because they didn't trust Romney. They didn't trust him because they thought he'd betray them to "the rich," and they bought the lie that Obama hasn't been given a long enough time to "fix" the economy.
This election does not tell us that most Americans are now socialist moochers. All it tells us is that Romney didn't make the sale because Obama successfully defined him as the boogeyman.
The two GOP rape-senators lost because Aiken imploded and Mourdock was the target of a smear campaign by an embittered Lugar AND the Democrats, and then he made his own dumb comment to finish himself off.
If anything, this election tells us that the American public is scared shitless and doesn't want to take any more chances, which is why they voted for the status quo.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (SI/pw)
http://tinyurl.com/8vjawt4
America didn't go socialist, it went totalitarian. Someone like Obama becoming president was all the Soviets needed to win the cold war playing the long game they did.
There's gonna be a lot more of this executive "reinterpretation" of existing law these next 4 years.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: redd/Walkers! at November 07, 2012 01:10 AM (C4dFv)
Take care. I'm probably going to pull the plug on virtually all the political sites and say "fuck it".
***
I became politically "aware" after 9/11 and since 2008 have become pretty much a political/information junky. Tonight just has pounded the shit out me. It's all going to go straight to Hell at warp speed from now until at least 2014 and even if we manage to get some more "R's" elected I doubt it will amount to anything more than trying to stop a loaded freight train by putting your hand out the window and hoping the extra drag will help.
****
Ditto that. Game over. The USA had a great run but it's all down hill now and there is nothing to be done. The parasites have won. We'll be Greece before my fifth grader graduates high school.
Morons, it's been great fun but there is no point and so no upside. Time to do a little weeping for the future then, turn off the internet, start working out , buy gold, devise and implement a strategy to ride out what is coming.
Posted by: Now that you mention it at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (u3N3z)
Then I submit Sarah Palin. Most popular governor in the nation at the time. Female. Fought the system on both the Left and the Right (which was what made her popular). Self-supporting and self-made business woman. Mother. Charismatic. Military-loving patriot. Etc.
And she was more viciously attacked than any politician in my lifetime and, given the media complex, possibly the most attacked in American political history.
It doesn't matter who the "Right" selects. By definition, they are to be demonized as Emmanuel Goldstein reincarnate.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (eHIJJ)
For those blaming Mitt, sorry but when you have media/hollywood in the corner of one party 24/7, it is tough to win on our side no matter who you are. I thought Mitt had a good campaign especially down the stretch.
I cant blame the media enough really. Anything our side says or does, if it is negative or can be twisted to be that way, the media runs with it. Hollywood runs with it. The fear tactics worked, because the media carried that message for the liberals.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (Gr8DF)
Cut the cord entirely.
Was on DirecTV for years, cable before that. Went Internet only in 2008. Saved me a bundle and have never missed it for a second. I watch what I want, when I want. No talking heads to feed me bullshit talking points disguised as "news". I am FAR better informed and knowledgeable than I ever was watching "appointment TV".
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 01:11 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (xk0Xg)
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 04:59 AM (HDTVy)
Thank you @PurpAv...do you know Del Dolemonte?
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at November 07, 2012 01:12 AM (jts1f)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: redd at November 07, 2012 01:13 AM (C4dFv)
Posted by: Doctor Cynic at November 07, 2012 01:14 AM (BZjb6)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (8HhF2)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (QG3g9)
The internet has been my news source since 2003 or so.--- Probably led me to have some unrealistic expectations for this election. Ace's optimism was unbounded and contagious.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (b1iOR)
No. By the end of the campaign Romney had erased the likeability advantage Obama had, despite the media painting Romney as a ruthless, cold-hearted predator.
The country NARROWLY rejected Romney because they didn't quite trust him. The voters liked Romney, but Obama's seeds of doubt about what he'd do made people stick with Obama.
Since most of us still blame Bush for the bad economy, most of us thought we need to give Obama more time.
Most of us are uninformed dolts but not socialists. This election wasn't a repudiation of American values. It was a repudiation of only a handful of individual politicians.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:15 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:16 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (jKE+Z)
Not that strong of a disagreement there, more a matter of emphasis, Llarry.
You should be a cob-logger here. The site could really use your pith and cheerfulness these coming weeks.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:17 AM (b1iOR)
If everything we've ever believed in is now dead, why did the same voters strengthen the Republican House majority...
Posted by: Llarry
Because:
The "strengthen" is minor. Net +1 last I checked with a handful of races still out. Damned near at the level of random noise.
And
We just had a reapportionment, and with Republicans in control of more states, they were able to protect their seats and expose Democrats.
It's not the level of rejection of Romney and the RSCC suffered, but it's hardly a resounding vote of confidence.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 07, 2012 01:18 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Zebbie, Jake, and Lazarus at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (jts1f)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:19 AM (SKX2R)
Consumption without production is very appealing to a lot of folk. Trying to fight that is like trying to win a 100 yard dash when you're the only racer racing uphill and wearing ankle weights.
Problem is when the producers are constantly berated that they are not paying their fair share when they are the only ones paying any share, they'll stop trying so hard and stop investing when they take all of the downside risk and less and less of the upside reward.
Let's refer to SCOAMF as President Fluke as it was Sandy that helped get him in, and a fluke that it happened a week before the election.
Posted by: hoss at November 07, 2012 01:21 AM (Gk/35)
It would've taken quite a few and spread over many states for this to be true.
This is a smear by the atheist media to drive wedges between republicans. without some manner of determining who stayed home and why, you could make up any reason for any group that you want and no one would be likely to prove otherwise.
Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:22 AM (SP4jC)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (jKE+Z)
Since most of us still blame Bush for the bad economy, most of us thought we need to give Obama more time.
Then you are an idiot. Bush cannot be blamed for today's economy....The Dem Congress and Obama blew it. And actually Obama's Senatorial Congress along with Dodd/Frank, Pelosi, etal thoroughly own it.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 01:23 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (8HhF2)
Last night we reached the fork in the road and as a nation we just took the left fork down a very steep slope and we're never coming back.
So tell hope to f*ck off. Not Obama's false, parasitic "Hope" but the real thing that died last night. It's gone.
Posted by: Inspiring thought for the morning at November 07, 2012 01:24 AM (mV5Rx)
Thanks very much. I just feel bad for the people who think this is the end of everything.
It's not. It's a big defeat, but in the legal world they make a distinction between premeditated first-degree murder and manslaughter.
The electorate didn't commit premeditated first-degree murder on America. What they did was the equivalent of what that mother did with her toddler at that zoo. She stood him on the handrail overlooking the pen of wild African dogs, and he fell in and was killed.
She made a stupid decision out of ignorance and carelessness. The end result was the death of the child, but everyone here sees the difference between her and Ottis Toole, the "man" who murdered Adam Walsh.
Right?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:25 AM (SI/pw)
Puerto Rico has voted to pursue the path of statehood. Obama has already signed off on this and I would expect that the Republicans will also. Even though it will mean a further 2 democrat senators in the Senate the likelihood that part of it's admission will be the introduction of some sort of direct representation for DC.
This means that Democrats will have 4 extra votes in the Senate and the Republicans will never regain power in my lifetime and perhaps yours.
The final straw I think.
Posted by: Jcw46 at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (SP4jC)
Ryan was a kick-ass choice from the get go, never a moment's doubt about his history, intentions or abilities.
Unlike 2008 when I voted for Sarah and there was that other guy on the ticket with her along for the ride, I had no qualms about either of the "R's".
As pointed out by many others on this thread, The Media, it its present form needs to be utterly destroyed. Annihilated, wiped from the face of the Earth. Its function is to be pain-in-the-ass to the Government, to probe, ask questions, get answers. Now it's nothing more than the wholly owned propaganda ministry of the Democrat/Socialist/Communist Party.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: JDP at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (8HhF2)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (HKONC)
1. $1+ trillion annual deficit, which can't be pared back even though the GOP theoretically holds the purse strings in the house
2. Obamacare
3. 8 million additional people collecting disability for life creating a permanent, young Democratic voting base
4. Presinit who has demonstrated the willingness to work beyond the law, issue EO's to work around Constitutional checks and balances... and willing to penalize his enemies without fear of retribution from the Senate or:
5. A 4th estate that has become a 100% fifth column for the state
6. An all out attack on the producers of the country, which has driven new-business formations to the lowest absolute level in generations
7. An Iran with 4 additional years under its nuclear development program
8. An Islamist world ready to fully extinguish modern and free society
In 2008 I was afraid that I might have to relive the Carter years of my youth... After 4 years of reliving it, I KNOW that not only will it not stop, we've re-elected someone who wants to make it worse
Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 01:26 AM (MAhUT)
It's after the election.
Now lets take the legs out from under this bull shit with some heavy duty investigations and get this mother fucker thrown out of office.
Posted by: Hostilian at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (/2SoI)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:27 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 01:28 AM (QG3g9)
Posted by: Msjake at November 07, 2012 01:29 AM (11Alp)
Then you are an idiot. Bush cannot be blamed for today's economy....The Dem Congress and Obama blew it. And actually Obama's Senatorial Congress along with Dodd/Frank, Pelosi, etal thoroughly own it.
I don't blame Bush myself. I'm explaining the decision of the stupid, uniformed, easily manipulated electorate.
For some reason a lot of you seem to want to believe that everything you ever loved is now dead.
Fine. Go ahead. I'm not one of you. I'm just explaining why I think you're wrong. I could call you an idiot for misinterpreting the real reason why this happened, but I assume you're just so upset you're not thinking clearly.
This is a time when everyone should think clearly. You can give up and go eat worms. I'm not going to.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (SI/pw)
" It was a repudiation of only a handful of individual politicians.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:15 AM (SI/pw) "
With the net effect of repudiating America's values.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Msjake at November 07, 2012 05:29 AM (11Alp)
Mayan Calendar meets SMOD
Posted by: phreshone at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (MAhUT)
Posted by: Hidajunshinette at November 07, 2012 01:30 AM (20NzC)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 01:31 AM (tDieS)
It's just too depressing.
But at some point, somewhere-- maybe at Ace of Spades, because this is probably one of the few political sites I might make an exception for in the days to come--
we have to come to terms with what Obamacare, entrenched as permanent law, means.
I don't know-- I don't think *anyone* in this country knows-- exactly what Obamacare entails.
This is one of the things my election night drunkenness is meant to numb out. But it's one of the things I care most about. At some point-- ideally on Ace of Spades-- I'd like as straightforward as possible (I know that's difficult with such a fucked-up monster of legislation) summary/ representation of what American healthcare, henceforth, will be tranformed into-- what American healthcare, my and my loved ones' healthcare, will be like.
A fundamental change. A change that will affect our experience in dealing with our own mortality.
Obamacare is a permanent fact of life, now. Is it not? Please let me (and Americans in generals) know what that will mean in the years and decades to come. My guess is many Obama voters will be educated very belatedly.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 01:32 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at November 07, 2012 01:33 AM (uMfFZ)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:34 AM (SKX2R)
( Which could not be done if they were actually conservatives who research candidates on their own and would not have bought such gross lies. Also any actual conservative knows what Obama is, they know he wants to remake America, in his own image. So that means at least 51 percent of the electorate are NOT conservatives, at least not ones that can discern and judge character
There are plenty of ignorant conservatives. Listen to the callers on any radio talk show.
Again, you're agreeing with me that many of the voters chose Obama out of ignorance. That's my only point.
I'm trying to stave of the notion that we're now a far-left country, but you seem to want to believe that. Fine. I reject that conclusion.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 01:36 AM (dQ/Oc)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (HKONC)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:37 AM (SKX2R)
Yes, trying to mitigate the horror you feel makes me all superior 'n junk.
What an awful thing for me to do! I apologize.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:38 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Dix Handley at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (gKuGC)
Obama has been methodically regulating the coal industry out of business. In another 4 years, it'll be pretty much dead...and along with that will come power rationing since no nuke plants are being built to take up the slack as old coal ones are forced to shutdown.
Towards the end of Obama's next 4 years, I'd expect power rationing in some areas.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 01:39 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 05:34 AM (SKX2R)
I think it's probably safer to say it was conservatives just disenfranchised with Romney and conservative leaning libertarians. I've seen and heard too many staunch conservatives disgusted by the fact that we ended up nominating Romney and too many independents/libertarians disgusted with the two-party system to relegate them to a small minority.
I just can't buy the Evangelical argument.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:40 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (dQ/Oc)
Posted by: Deety at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (QG3g9)
Yes, I know. But not deliberately on the part of the people who did it.
Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:41 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (HKONC)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (SKX2R)
I don't believe they did. You have to ask, "Between Obama and Romney, who is actually, on record, a more direct threat to religious freedom?" Do you actually think Evangelicals would say, "Romney"?
I was raised Southern Baptist. (I'm now Agnostic.) Most of my extended family remains SB/Protestant. I think they'd be considered "Evangelicals." I can guarantee you that none of them voted for Obama (unless they lied and pulled the lever contrary to their public statements).
No, that's yet another media narrative to split the conservative base. Evangelicals are the conservative base (among other factions). I simply don't believe they are to blame for low voter turnout from the Right.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 01:42 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Janetoo at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (R+fMx)
Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM (dQ/Oc)
My stroke bound father predicted this long before Obama was elected. Sad but true.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 07, 2012 01:43 AM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 01:44 AM (nwHKt)
Posted by: Quiz1 at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (HhX5h)
Posted by: McDuck at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (jr5Bn)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 01:45 AM (SKX2R)
Had the media done their job, they would have been telling Americans how Obama has been the most divisive and arrogant in history. He has NOT been a leader in any way shape or form. Instead, they ran with every single Obama talking point and attack.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (Gr8DF)
Yes, I know. But not deliberately on the part of the people who did it.
Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (SI/pw)
I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at the wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points. The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.
Their tactics have worked. They have achieved their results politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing against results, but maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (uD2fR)
You do look young on the internet.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (+VMZ0)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 01:48 AM (Gr8DF)
She made a stupid decision out of ignorance and carelessness. The end result was the death of the child, but everyone here sees the difference between her and Ottis Toole, the "man" who murdered Adam Walsh.
Right?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:25 AM (SI/pw)
Agreed, but the kids are equally dead.
Llarry, I'm glad you're here. I've been up for 24 hours (worked as a judge of election yesterday, came home with a headache, couldn't sleep, was devastated by the final news)
and probably not thinking straight.
(And BTW, if anyone thinks Llarry is being "above it all," then don't ever read Mark Shea. He is of too pure and burnished a soul to vote for any but the perfect candidate, and then sits back and sneers at the results, whatever they are.)
Posted by: Anne B. at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (f3owF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 01:49 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 01:50 AM (bxiXv)
When people start losing health insurance plans, etc, they will blame Obama.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (b1iOR)
Fewer jobs, higher prices, rationed medical care. The usual Obama policy implications.
A lot of doctors will simply pack it in. The law even prohibits them from banding together into small groups like LLC's to reduce facilities expenses and spread malpractice liability.
Obamacare was designed to employ lawyers and insurance companies offering malpractice insurance. It was designed to bankrupt small independent medical provider groups, doctors in private practice.
The electronic record keeping provisions have already proven burdensome, and more expensive than old school paper ways.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: antisocialist at November 07, 2012 01:51 AM (j/nZn)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (OY/SZ)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (Gr8DF)
Again, the same people who re-elected Obama strengthened the GOP majority in the House and elected the most GOP governors in history.
Romney lost by only one percentage point. He lost because his side wasn't prepared for the viciousness of the Democrats' assault.
All we need are people who can fight back effectively. We need people who can be as ruthless as the Democrats. John Bolton was able to reduce John F. Kerry to a sputtering wreck during Bolton's confirmation hearing for ambassador to the U.N. And Bolton did it quietly and without drama.
We'll win again. We did some winning tonight, in fact. We lost the big one, but our candidate nearly beat insurmountable odds. So it's a bit early to sound the death knell for America.
As for Obamacare, it's an entitlement that actually reduces your options. If Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security actually reduced all your options, they'd be repealed.
When Obamacare is in full bloom, let's see how long it lasts, especially when old people start getting denied treatment. That'll start happening in 2014. Let's just see how the elderly and their families like Obama then.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:53 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (xk0Xg)
There are plenty of ignorant conservatives. Listen to the callers on any radio talk show.
Again, you're agreeing with me that many of the voters chose Obama out of ignorance. That's my only point.
I'm trying to stave of the notion that we're now a far-left country, but you seem to want to believe that. Fine. I reject that conclusion.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:36 AM
A rose by any other name... It doesn't really matter why it has come to pass. It has. Would these people vote for an openly socialist platform? Maybe not. But they vote for a covert one anyway. The left has been at this for a long time. They don't give a shit how it comes to pass, just that it does.
Posted by: otho at November 07, 2012 01:54 AM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 05:51 AM (b1iOR)
Bzzzzt. Wrong. They'll simply call for single payer.
Why? Because the admin will call for it, the MBM will carry their message, and the electorate will buy it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (uD2fR)
I'd rubber stamp everything Obama wants at this point. There's no point in a protracted slow motion collapse. We'll be much better off with something (relatively) hard and fast like the Soviet Union went through.
It was a good 230 years, but its over now, so we need to move on to whatever comes next ASAP.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 01:55 AM (HDTVy)
As the latest storm barrels down on the east coast I say, fuck 'em. Hope they suffer. Starting with Chris Christie. Corey Booker for Governor in 2013. Return Chris Christie to private life and the coronary he has so justly earned post haste.
Posted by: Kendall at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (u3N3z)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: Sergio at November 07, 2012 01:56 AM (u3N3z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 07, 2012 01:57 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (NV30n)
"If Fox News and people like Rush come out and start going after Romney, im done with all of them."
Let me save you some suspense then - be done with them now. Already had those recriminations pop up on the threads tonight.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (uD2fR)
Why? Because the admin will call for it, the MBM will carry their message, and the electorate will buy it.
That's a design goal of Obamacare, but I don't think it's going to happen. There will be too much rage at the Dems in 2014 for them to make hay with that argument.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (b1iOR)
Single issue voters can't do that. They don't know how, and wouldn't even if they did. When you're willing to let one issue trump the survival of the Republic, you're not capable of seeing any ramifications beyond your one issue.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 01:58 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 01:59 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (xk0Xg)
Like, ever again.
Most accurate pollster, my ass.
Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (appbn)
Most Obama voters are going to be screaming bloody murder in about two years. They just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 05:41 AM (SI/pw) "
I'm not going out on a limb when I say they going to be screaming at the wrong people - us. They choose to remain ignorant by continuing to validate the media's simple regurgitation of the admin's talking points. The admin will continue to blame Bush, the admin will continue to blame "Obstructionist Republicans" in the House, and the media will back them up, and most importantly - the electorate will buy it.
Their tactics have worked. They have achieved their results politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing against results, but maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:48 AM (uD2fR)
Exactly. "Burn the Witch" is alas an all too appropriate appellation for what we'll be facing in the years to come.
Obama has already promised us more narratives, stories, time spent away from the White House to "energize" the American people-- and in particular against Congress (who, according to Obama, are to be "held accountable").
Obama has promised us that the next four years will be MORE propagandastic, that his administration will pay MORE attention to the stories/ narratives purveyed by the MSM.
If you can imagine that, you can start to imagine the hell we're in for the next 4 years.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:00 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (NV30n)
Their tactics have worked. They have achieved their results politically and electorally. You seem to be arguing against results, but maybe I'm reading you wrong because it's 5:30 am
The tactics FAILED on the "obstructionist Republicans"! The electorate STRENGTHENED the GOP House majority!
All this election did was not give the reins of power to Mitt Romney. The reason for that was because the electorate didn't trust him. That's all.
There are serious ramifications to this choice, of course. But people weren't thinking about that. All they "knew" was that Romney may have brought back the bad old days of Bush, who most Americans still blame for everything.
Obama is now going to be unrestrained. We'll see how all these voters like him when he starts implementing the remainder of his agenda.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 05:58 AM (uD2fR)
Do you agree with them? I dont. I think we could have had Reagan, and he would have had a tough time in today's America, fighting media/hollywood and the new social media where clearly liberals have the advantage in spreading falsehoods and scare tactics.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:01 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 02:02 AM (cSD32)
"As for Obamacare, it's an entitlement that actually reduces your options. If Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security actually reduced all your options, they'd be repealed."
They do reduce options, with net effect and with the reality that you only have the option to support them with your tax dollars.
"When Obamacare is in full bloom, let's see how long it lasts, especially when old people start getting denied treatment. That'll start happening in 2014. Let's just see how the elderly and their families like Obama then."
They'll just call for single payer. You're not grasping the magnitude of the defeat tonight and on what levels it has occurred.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:03 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (xk0Xg)
What the hell is there to celebrate? Look at the past four years! To celebrate a continuation of that, given the current state of our nation, its just unbelievable.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:04 AM (HKONC)
Yes, I am certain we are heading for a huge second recession.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (tDieS)
I do know that I think the Romney /Ryan team was a good one. I think they ran a good campaign. I think they had a good message. I think they offered a clear choice.
America chose poorly. I don't know why.
I do know that I have a new nic.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 02:05 AM (bxiXv)
I truly do not understand this.
Were people voting split-ticket?
That implies they think they know what they are doing.
So, what are they doing?
They think they need to give Obama more time, because the mantra of the Democrats is that no president was ever given a worse hand than Obama, the poor dear.
They also worried that Romney would "raise taxes on the middle class and give tax breaks to millionaires," so they stayed with Obama.
They voted for the status quo, hoping that things will get better. They didn't want to take a chance on Mitt. That's all.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: liontooth at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (xk0Xg)
Hate to say it, but you're right. I like Rush, but that sort of stuff will always hurt us. I dont mind being controversial and stirring up the left, but calling a young woman a slut on national radio with you being a lightening rod as is, was completely idiotic and hurt us more than people were willing to admit.
We have to realize, there side can say anything. But we have to be careful. Its just the sad state of affairs.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:06 AM (SKX2R)
Take your BS anti-Mormon meme and toss it on the camp fire to keep you warm because the lights are going out.
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (9zugO)
The collapse of the Soviet Union wasn't facilitated with voting.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (HDTVy)
"There will be too much rage at the Dems in 2014 for them to make hay with that argument."
They made hay with "Bush!!!" and The War on Women™ and won. What makes you think they can't do it again. The electorate is broken and the Dems realize this.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:07 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (qEkGZ)
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:08 AM (HKONC)
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 06:07 AM (uD2fR)
And they will do exactly that. They can win with scare tactics and attacks. We cant. When the media helps you, you can do just as you said.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (Gr8DF)
But I do want to state for the record my POV now:
I don't blame Romney or Ryan for anything. Like I said: for me, they were the best Republican ticket I've ever experienced and had the privilege to vote for.
And IMO they put in as much of an effort into winning an election as is humanly possible.
The R/R campaign is one of the BEST campaigns I've ever witnessed.
I don't blame the Tea Party either: Tea Partiers were among the most stalwart voters in this election.
What went wrong or who's to "blame" (my own first suspect is FRAUD)... I think I'll avoid much of that conversation. Because I don't want to see us tearing ourselves apart.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:09 AM (NV30n)
The ones with any smarts know this. They already got their exit plans in place when the collapse happens. They won't stick around for the riots and death part.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (HDTVy)
589A couple of things about Obama Care that will happen right away. First older doctors will retire earlier than anticipated, because their income will decrease and why bother working another 5 years? So first is a shortage of Doctors.
Second, fewer will become doctors because Obama Care will cut what is paid for procedures etc.
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what about the sections that call for recruitment of minorities / underrepresented segments to have all expense paid med school to become docs and med staff??? yeah, great quality of care ahead
Posted by: eurw at November 07, 2012 02:10 AM (mF+Zz)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: rplat at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (ew94K)
I did earlier.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 02:11 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: Miles at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (1SNj4)
They'll just call for single payer. You're not grasping the magnitude of the defeat tonight and on what levels it has occurred.
I fully grasp what has happened tonight. It's the people who re-elected Obama who haven't.
When they get their single-payer system and have to wait six weeks to have their broken arm set, they way it was for my brother in Norway, they'll be singing a different tune.
I've lived in six countries with nationalized health care. I know exactly what's coming. Most Americans have no clue. But they'll begin learning in 2014, and then we'll see how they like it. Having lived in those six countries I can tell you that Americans aren't Europeans, Asians, or Latin Americans. We're not passive fatalists.
When people start screaming loud enough, changes will be made. The Obama voters just haven't hit bottom yet. But they will.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: someguy at November 07, 2012 02:12 AM (sEXZ/)
#641 - Nonsense. We don't have to accept that their side can say anything and that "we have to be careful." What has being careful gotten us so far? It's time to call things as their are and put the pressure on those who have brought this about. First, the so called fourth estate - the press - which from the beginning was hell-bent on advancing this president's (and Progressives' before him) agenda of demonizing the individual, throwing guilt on the United States for being the wealth creating engine of the world, and trashing our Constitution to stablish a government by 1 individual's fiat.
No, we do not have to accept it. We have the RIGHT TO REMAIN VOCAL, and we need to exercise that right whenever possible, no matter what the cost to us personally.
Posted by: TimInVirginia at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (Eaemu)
Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (opS9C)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (HKONC)
646Time for a new political party or a new country to live in...seriously.
--------------------------------------------
if you can tolerate cold, wet, snow, and lots of weekly walks to the fresh markets, Poland is pretty nice.
Posted by: eurw at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (mF+Zz)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (1V6Pv)
How are you blaming this on the socons? The left created a social issue out of nothing- contraceptives, remember? That was one of the burning issues of 2012. Was there a movement in any part of the conservative base to restrict access to contraceptives? But George Stephanpolous asked about it during a debate as if it were a real issue.
It doesn't matter if we run moderates like Romney or McCain, the left will try to scare women with demagoguery.
Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 02:13 AM (Ou5cA)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 02:14 AM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: PaulRyansHair at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (jooDN)
"The tactics FAILED on the "obstructionist Republicans"! The electorate STRENGTHENED the GOP House majority!"
Because people generally like their congresscritter, but not congress. Comparing Representatives to the President, in this context is apples to oranges.
"All this election did was not give the reins of power to Mitt Romney. The reason for that was because the electorate didn't trust him. That's all."
That's a pretty big "all".
"All they "knew" was that Romney may have brought back the bad old days of Bush, who most Americans still blame for everything."
And this is the root of the problem and it goes very deep.
"We'll see how all these voters like him when he starts implementing the remainder of his agenda."
They won't care because they can still blame Bush and the obstructionist Republicans. Bank on it.
You're still viewing the electorate rationally.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:15 AM (uD2fR)
If it's any consolation, you still have public school teachers, cops, firefighters, and all other forms of lazy, degenerate union scum to bash.
Between that and calling anybody who slightly deviates from the conservative orthodoxyy a communist, it should be a good four years for all of you.
Remember this: it's not that the country loves Democrats; they just hate Republicans.
Posted by: stickety at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (+Vm+w)
It can happen fast.
I was born in 1961, arguably the apogee of American power. My childhood memories are of the space program and moon shots. Cast my first presidential vote for Reagan as a college sophomore. Came from a blue collar background, neither parent went to college. Got two degrees and graduated with a an education debt to first year starting salary ratio of about 1:5. Had a good economic run through the 80's, 90's, and oughts.
The America I live in as a 51 year old is unrecognizable to me from the one I grew to adulthood in. America has to thumb rides to space from the communists.
The America I die in as an 80+ year old? That place won't even be America.
Posted by: History reader at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (u3N3z)
Cause unemployment to skyrocket with damaging policy- give the unemployed cash money.
The cash and the hand that gave it to them is much easier to see than the policies that caused the unemployment in the first place.
He will continue this. While he is attempting to bankrupt coal electrical plants and thus causing the electric rates to necessarily skyrocket he will hand out checks to make the prices somewhat bearable.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (+VMZ0)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 02:16 AM (nwHKt)
Couple years at best. All the cheap accounting tricks with trust funds and shell games that always worked in the past were used up long ago.
With bomber Ben's job safe now, I think we get some stout devaluation to fuck all our creditors.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: George W Beagle at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (JwW4z)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:17 AM (NV30n)
And how many of them have dumped their nationalized health care? Not thought about dumping it or complained about it but actually terminated it?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Ringo at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (dQ/Oc)
But, really, Romney pulling SO MANY independents in those SAME polls didn't make a lick of difference?
They went into the election virtually tied, and the 'undecideds' didn't break for the challenger, as per usual?
We lost Florida? A state that was, basically, conceded to Romney a month ago? And North Carolina was CLOSE?
Early voting for the dems was way down... for reps it was way up.
The last few days of the campaign, Obama has looked desperate and scared, like he KNEW he was gonna lose... and Romney looked just the opposite.
Romney was drawing massive crowds in all of the swing states, and Obama was struggling to get a decent number of people to come to his rallies.
Mia Love had a MASSIVE lead right before the election and lost.
This whole thing just... doesn't smell right at all.
Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (appbn)
Posted by: BuckNaked at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (dlfef)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (tDieS)
Posted by: rplat at November 07, 2012 02:18 AM (ew94K)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (1V6Pv)
Remember this: it's not that the country loves Democrats; they just hate Republicans math.
Your public sector unions are bankrupting towns, cities, counties and states across the country.
Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (Ou5cA)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 02:19 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: southdakotaboy at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (ZIWkB)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 06:18 AM (eHIJJ)
If our 80000 soldiers disappear from Europe, the EU's socialized medicine programs will soon follow suit.
Posted by: Concern Troll at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (b1iOR)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 02:20 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (NV30n)
Oh no. How did that happen? I truly do not understand what happened last night. Nothing makes sense to me. All the things you cited were real. It's like reality and facts on the ground are all mis-matched against the actual vote count.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:21 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (HKONC)
Redouble your efforts, then. I have no children, and I'm estranged from most of my family.
But I'm going to keep fighting. Why? Because this election doesn't signify what so many people think it does. It's not the end of everything.
We're in for a very rough time, but think of the time we had from 1861 to 1865. Do you think that in 1863 the average American thought we'd ever get our act together again? Can ypou imagine the fear the average American felt then?
And that was just yesterday. The last Civil War veteran died in 1959, three years before I was born. Civil War veterans voted for Strom Thurmond.
Here's a tape of a civil war veteran doing a rebel yell. Listen to it and think about what our ancestors went through. We'll survive this.
http://tinyurl.com/3asp3mj
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:22 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (Ou5cA)
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:23 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (Gr8DF)
But I'm not willing to believe that had any effect without better evidence.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (tUcg9)
***
Remember, it's that a majority just want Big Rock Candy Mountain.
Posted by: History reader at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (u3N3z)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:24 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: logprof at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (jKE+Z)
I doubt it, but I wanna see the vote totals compared to 08. Drudge must have left out a state or two in his totals. No way Romney got less votes then McCain.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 07, 2012 02:25 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (NV30n)
It's called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.
Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 02:26 AM (HL0e9)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (Gr8DF)
"Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 06:12 AM (SI/pw) "
I disagree. Last night, Obama overcame some serious hurdles of his own. He beat out all traditional hurdles that have destroyed failed incumbents of the past. Last night was the first real indication that our electorate has changed dramatically.
Despite all the fundamental failures of the past four years, a majority of the electorate voted for more of it. They'll just ask for single payer and as long as they think they're not paying for it, they'll be fine with it. They're not going to blame Obama or the Dems for it because the media won't let it happen.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (uD2fR)
What the hell is there to celebrate? Look at the past four years! To celebrate a continuation of that, given the current state of our nation, its just unbelievable.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 06:04 AM (Gr8DF)
They don't know or give a damn about the current state of our nation. They're on the Democrat Plantation, bound not by iron chains but EBT cards, Welfare, Section 8 Housing and all the other giveaways that Democrats use to keep them voting "D". Add in the fact that 100% of their "news" comes from ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, local papers and what they hear from their friends and neighbors (i.e. echo chamber) and the ensnarement is complete.
These people don't know and don't care that there's a whole other world beyond their dysfunctional communities. Doesn't exist for them, only their immediate needs and wants are what matter and they've been catered to for multiple generations. Only when the Plantation system unravels to the point where the handouts stop will there be any sort of rebellion against their masters.
Posted by: Long time lurker at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (pR0/y)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:27 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 02:28 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (tDieS)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 02:29 AM (cSD32)
I think there's one or two verses of a certain Kipling poem that applies to them:
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (KDAAY)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (nwHKt)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:30 AM (NV30n)
So, as far as you know, no country that has gone nationalized medicine has managed to escape it? And we're now different even though the Overton Window has shifted as far Left as it has been in American history?
What programs have European nations dumped in their hour of economic distress? As far as I can tell, they riot a bit and the politicians throw them some more cheese. What difference would our leaving make? They'll just not have a military and still keep raiding those with wealth while doling out the cheese to the "middle class."
Their medical apparatus will continue. Ours will follow the same path. It is by design.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (eHIJJ)
She is in the Maxine Waters camp of the Democratic Party and now she is my Senator.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:31 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (NV30n)
Obama McCain
69,456,897 59,934,814
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 07, 2012 02:32 AM (feFL6)
care..."
And how many of them have dumped their nationalized health care? Not thought about dumping it or complained about it but actually terminated it?
None, because they have a long history of living under authoritarianism; they're passive; they have cultural traditions of collectivism; and they're culturally unable to admit to mistakes or change course.
None of those cultural traits apply to the U.S.
It took us sixty years to get here. It'll take us a while to get out of it. There will be another Reagan. It wasn't Romney, but he or she may come after the second term of Obama.
The good news is our natural resources aren't going anywhere, and we can change our legislation. We haven't hit bottom yet, so we're still in denial.
We're almost there. Another four years of Obama will probably do the job.
Everybody's forgetting that despite the odds, Romney came within one percentage point of matching Obama. He almost made it. After four more years of Obama and two years of Obamacare, let's see what sort of mood the country is in.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (SKX2R)
Evangelicals, of which I am one, were on fire to vote. I live in that world. They were also praying daily over this election and knew what we were up against.
We are people of faith and know that the Lord will see us through this truly sad and awful time in the the history of this nation. And that we all will suffer, and greatly.
Post-mortems on the election are fine fodder for the internet but there is real work to be done, and now.
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (9zugO)
Barry didn't want to be re-elected. He wanted to retire and start that lucrative speaking tour, play golf, live in Hawaii. He and M are both unhappy campers this morning, as they cannot slink of, crying racism to their post-presidential life. That's my sweet thought, this morning.
We're brought closer to a place we hoped to avoid with Rmoney: chaos and destruction. We would have gotten there anyway, because of math, but we hoped for, as someone put it above, 'a softer landing'.
Buckle up kiddies. Maybe it is better this way. Full dose of toxin is needed, so we welcome the anti-toxin. We were just not ready, this time around.
People have gone thru worse than this. Chin-up. Sit back and watch the left destroy itself.
Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 02:33 AM (JZBti)
Posted by: Jon Huntsman at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (sIlEi)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (NV30n)
Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (HL0e9)
Just like America. Congratulations, fuckwit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:34 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Chris Christie at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (sIlEi)
Posted by: Jehu at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (cSD32)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Lizabth at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (JZBti)
Akin (and the infinite amount of idiotic abortion/ RAPE material, later kindled by fucking clumsy-idiot Murdock).
NB I DON'T equate "Akin" with social conservatives in general. Social conservatives in general were likely an asset rather than deficit to the R/R campaign. (Though ugh the likes of Maggie Gallagher.)
But I think a lot of (stupidly susceptible) women felt bound to vote against a party that had Akins in it.
And that (plus gay marriage) ignited enough youth/ social "liberals" to seduce them into another content-free yet inspiring campaign.
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (tUcg9)
I was part of OH's ground game for the last two months I went to all three major cities. I met quite a few AA that were voting R/R.
Our ground game was amzing.
Something is worng with the numbers. I saw the enthusiasm.
I saw the R/R signs in the inner city. I saw the AA walking into Victory centers to help out. Hell, I volunteered to walk with them (just in case they were plants).
Again, no way the #s are right.
Plus, where does the military vote stand? Did OH service men get to vote? I know they were late getting the ballots out.
We must now organize even harder, get together with the college Rep. groups and put out truth papers informing the college idiots about exactly what are govt is doing.
We have to bypass the press and get the truth out ourselves.
Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (fKyrY)
Posted by: Hilary Clinton at November 07, 2012 02:35 AM (sIlEi)
The left offers bait and they hit it every time at the most inopportune moments like a catfish hit a shiny bit of tin foil.
You could get away with that prior to the Internet, cell phone video, YouTube, etc. Even as recently as the 1980's local goofs by a downticket player didn't have the national impact they do today.
The leftist media understands this far better than the socon politicians do. They gotta start realizing they're in Indian country the moment they walk out their front door in the morning. There is no such thing as a "safe" audience anymore, and ALL media is to be distrusted.
FYNQ needs to be the watchword. The only way to not lose the game is don't play the game.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (HDTVy)
So Obama takes the non-church states, Romney takes the go-to-church states, but somehow it's the church people that are to blame for Romney's loss.
That's some fancy thinking there.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:36 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (M/XKe)
Funny is when all the trolls are all over twitter claiming they will riot, if Romney wins.
Funny is when they are hopping around proud to show off their free phones.
Funny is when President Obama releases the most desperate political ad of all time, featuring Big Bird.
Not funny is when people actually go out and vote for him. I've heard calls that the right needs to "adapt" to the ever changing electorate in our country.
What are we supposed to do? Open the borders for all who want to come, despite the fact that we don't even have enough employment for our own citizens? We should ignore our deep-seeded religious beliefs on some of the core social issues in our country? We should hold the GOP primary on MTV, and have the youth decide which candidate is the "coolest"?
I don't see how a conservative, or at the very least, moderate decent Christian man (because I guess that makes you a square) will ever win again.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (d9XKS)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (d0Dmj)
We must now organize even harder, get together with the college Rep. groups and put out truth papers informing the college idiots about exactly what are govt is doing.
We have to bypass the press and get the truth out ourselves.
Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 06:35 AM (fKyrY)
I saw so many more signs for Romney. Not many for Obama. Military Times poll showed Military favored Romney by huge margin. Over 30 newspapers endorsed Romney. So many seemed fired up, huge crowds. Yet we still have a poor turnout?! Makes. No. Sense.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:37 AM (Gr8DF)
I have a feeling that she and Liz Warren may be competing for that honor.
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (KDAAY)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: BignJames at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (rlFQ+)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:38 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: SoCons at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (CISf2)
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 02:39 AM (9zugO)
Wide, mass voter fraud. I'd want to see some solid proof before I'd lend too much credence to the idea, but... dems oppose voter ID laws for a reason.
And there were the vote changing machines, those guys caught destroying republican voter registration forms, republican poll watchers being kicked out of polling places, the destruction of those military absentee ballots...
So, y'know...
Posted by: TLGM at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (appbn)
"Actually, I do think we can, and I'm providing a perfectly plausible theory for why.
Whether you have the intellectual courage to investigate possibility honestly, however, I do not know."
No, you're providing a hypothesis. Perhaps if you started backing it up, your newfound smug could be justified.
Until then, settle down Sherlock.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (uD2fR)
Embrace the collapse and work to make sure we get the better deal in whatever emerges out of the ashes.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:40 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: Thorvald at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (1V6Pv)
Despite all the fundamental failures of the past four years, a majority of the electorate voted for more of it. They'll just ask for single payer and as long as they think they're not paying for it, they'll be fine with it. They're not going to blame Obama or the Dems for it because the media won't let it happen.
I'm afraid you're wrong.
What you're not taking into account is that never before has the mainstream media hidden so much of a president's failings and crimes.
If the electorate had been as informed as the average Ace of Spades HQ reader, Romney would've won by forty percentage points. This election does not signify a major shift in Americans' values.
As for single payer, having lived in six countries with it, I can tell you that people WON'T be fine with waiting six weeks to have their broken arms set, even if they think they're not paying for it. They WON'T be fine with having treatment withheld from their parents. They WON'T be fine with not having emergency rooms or family doctors, even if it's "free."
Just wait. You'll see that I'm right.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (SI/pw)
Ive been knee deep in following politics and not getting enough of it. Hours a day every day. I need a break. Yet afraid to take one because I do not want to take my eye off of what Obama is doing, but at the same time, does it even matter? We may all stay informed, yet the media/hollywood will continue to cover for him. It almost feels hopeless. No matter what a man like him does, we can not reach the right people because we are up against a huge media force.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (Gr8DF)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:41 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (HKONC)
Posted by: Lizzie Pocahontas Warren at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (sIlEi)
Posted by: dananjcon at November 07, 2012 02:42 AM (jvd3N)
"That's some fancy thinking there."
Exactly. I live in Virginia. The evangelicals I know phonebanked and passed out lit and worked the polls. They were on fire for Mitt. Mitt spoke at Liberty University (Falwell's school) and got a rousing reception. Billy Graham met with Mitt and said he was pulling for him. Anyone who blames this loss on evangelical voters (as opposed to candidates) is wrong.
Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 02:43 AM (Ou5cA)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Donna V. at November 07, 2012 02:44 AM (7OHl8)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (SKX2R)
Another theory could be that Dems just had a higher turnout and enthusiasm than we thought.
We could have been...*gasp*...wrong.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (uD2fR)
Sexypig, now you're saying we should embrace more immigration?
Axelrod, is that you? You really had me going there.
Posted by: Matt at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (Ou5cA)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (uhAkr)
TELL ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE:
POTUS VOTE TOTALS:
1996 – 94,683,948
2000 – 101,455,899 (+7%)
2004 – 121,069,054 (+19%)
2008 – 129,389,711 (+7%)
2012 – 115,562,372 (-11%) <<< WTF?
So after at least 7% voter growth every election since 1996, in 2012 we drop 11%!!!! Has anything like this ever happened before? If you look at voters as a % of population the drop is even more staggering.
And yet, polling stations had to remain open extra hours because of their sheer volume of voters?
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If you look at normal voter growth (+7%), we should have had 138,446,990 voters in 2012.
So we underperformed just normal growth by 22,884,618!
What the hell happened to 22 million voters?
I vote for alien abduction.Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 07, 2012 02:45 AM (hlUJY)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (NV30n)
I pretty much feel the same way with news coverage. It is hard to read news of what is going wrong if 51% of the country doesn't want to fix it.
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 02:46 AM (M/XKe)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (NV30n)
You're right. Barry and Mooch may well be the unhappiest people in the country this morning ;-)
Posted by: Anne B. at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (f3owF)
Fuck you, 53.
You wanted your precious Chocolate Crackhead back again? You've got him.
Now choke on him and die.
Seriously, just die. You are not my countrymen.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 02:47 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (SKX2R)
Poll(s) have shown that Dems are more prejudiced against Mormons than Repubs are.
Also, gay marriage in MD and ME show that GOP should avoid the issue? I don't think so. Two looney states for gay marriage, and suddenly people re saying the country is for gay marrige? Not a chance.
I think if Mitt didn't have Mittcare around his neck, and went ll out against it, perhaps that would have helped some... I don't know.
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (opS9C)
Survive the collapse and ensuing unpleasantness. Those who make it through will be the ones to form whatever comes next.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (HDTVy)
I wish you hadn't shown me those numbers. I just feel like he pulled a Nixon on us and I don't understand it. How can this many people truly like the path that we are on?
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 02:48 AM (M/XKe)
Then we're at the Y in the path and have chosen different philosophical routes. I believe America has finally tipped to an irreversible position. You don't. We simply don't and won't agree because we are interpreting our witnessed history differently.
We are more accepting of authoritarianism. Our liberties have been corroding for decades. Boiling frog syndrome. Our culture has changed. That is the war we lost and it takes generations to erode. An opportunistic tyranny (and Mark Levin would rightly say it all begins with soft tyranny) will exploit levers of power to ensure a culture doesn't change back... until very ugly civil strife and societal collapse.
Americans aren't all that different from other people though we keep believing we are. We had structures that were supposed to set us apart from other cultures (defined in the Constitution, of course) but we have seen the corruption and atrophy of those freedoms/rights and done not a thing about them. Ultimately, when they erode, we are as savage as everyone else; add in secular humanism and we get there even faster.
So nationalized medicine will be here until the collapse as it is everywhere it's been implemented.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (eHIJJ)
773:
I guess I have to ask the question: Who do we run to surmount those difficulties? Do we concede POTUS and simply try to retake the Senate again?
We focus on the Senate in 2014. We look for strong candidates who can run good campaigns and have a decent shot at winning, and we support them. We don't fight the socon/ RINO battle. The problem with Akin, Mourdock, Angle, and O'Donnell is not that they are socons, it's that they are idiots.
Right now, I'm not in despair but I'm sure pretty depressed. I don't know where we go.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 07, 2012 02:49 AM (sIlEi)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (SKX2R)
Soooo.......you think the right should abandon everyone who cares about abortion, gay marriage, contraception, and the like?
Basically, those of us who care deeply about that kind of stuff are screwed?
Anyway, who better in the GOP primary would have been more socially moderate?
Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 02:50 AM (d9XKS)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 02:51 AM (SKX2R)
Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?
In this very election, after a full summer of lying assaults by the Democrats, running against the First Black President, whose bungling and crimes have been kept out of the public eye by the state-run media, resulting in Barry maintaining his façade of intelligence and pragmatism, a corny, old-fashioned, odd, time-traveling MORMON from a bygone era got within one percentage point of succeeding!
This isn't the sea change you think it is.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Kindle Opus Anarcus at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (Pu81c)
They've given up. They believe the system is so corrupted that their votes simply don't matter anymore.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (HDTVy)
Posted by: Baldy at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (opS9C)
I don't see how a conservative, or at the very least, moderate decent Christian man (because I guess that makes you a square) will ever win again.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 07, 2012 06:37 AM (d9XKS)
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You can't. Give up. Its our country now. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I don't want my door damaged by your loser butt.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (HL0e9)
I have not had a Democrat or a Liberal for a friend in a long, long, long time because we could never truly relax and be ourselves. Now I probably never will. We are two different species now.
I have one thought for all the women that allowed the Dims to once again define them as only sex objects, good luck with that chickies, your fertile years pass quickly and you will be old for a long time since your parents and society have made you so healthy. All those dollars you allowed to be squandered for birth control and abortions will not be available to help you with your cancers, your diabetes, osteoporosis, and Alzheimer's.
To the doper/"Libertarians" who threw their votes away on marijuana issues, good luck with that, the cartels have no interest in legal and cheap pot. They don't bother with elections, they just kill people who try to stop them by the hundreds--whole families. It is just business to them.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:52 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,theys ridin ponies) at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (nwHKt)
Posted by: dustydog at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (K550W)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 02:53 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (8vYXA)
That thing you're all feeling right now.
It's called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.
Your party is no longer relevant and will, in the not to distant future, be just something children learn about in history books.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 06:26 AM (HL0e9)
Here's a napkin. You've still got a little of Obama's jizz dripping off your chin.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 02:54 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 06:46 AM (NV30n)
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I don't know. I really really do not understand what happened last night. I can't match up what seemed to be happening on the ground with the actual vote totals. None of it makes sense to me. It's like I woke up in Bizarro World. It feels surreal.
Posted by: mama winger, stranger in a strange land at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (P6QsQ)
I was born in Venezuela and have lived in six countries. I've visited most of the others.
I can tell you from personal experience that Americans are indeed different from everybody else on the planet.
How many countries have you lived in, by the way?
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 06:40 AM (HDTVy)
That's where I am. Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I mean it. I guess we'll have to compete with the Cloward-Piven people.
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (KDAAY)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 07, 2012 02:55 AM (uhAkr)
Block all the major news networks and sign up for BlazeTV.
Fight back with the power of the purse.
They want to be arms of the gov't, fine.
But I won't be a part of it.
Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 02:56 AM (fKyrY)
They are puppets, extremely pampered and well paid puppets. The socialists behind them are elated. They have four more years to finalize their agenda.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: wg at November 07, 2012 02:57 AM (/o7V4)
Offhand I thought it would be a wash (taking as many votes from Obama as from Romney). Has there been any analysis on this?
Posted by: lael at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (tUcg9)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: wierd flunky at November 07, 2012 02:58 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: American Pie at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (Kflw4)
Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?
In this very election, after a full summer of lying assaults by the Democrats, running against the First Black President, whose bungling and crimes have been kept out of the public eye by the state-run media, resulting in Barry maintaining his façade of intelligence and pragmatism, a corny, old-fashioned, odd, time-traveling MORMON from a bygone era got within one percentage point of succeeding!
This election isn't the sea change you think it is.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (M/XKe)
"What you're not taking into account is that never before has the mainstream media hidden so much of a president's failings and crimes.
If the electorate had been as informed as the average Ace of Spades HQ reader, Romney would've won by forty percentage points. This election does not signify a major shift in Americans' values".
Again, you're arguing against results. In the past, American values - as evidenced by precedent - would have yielded an easy Romney win. Clearly the values (strong economy, functional foreign policy) have changed.
Your argument also hinges on that really big and demonstrably delusional "IF" leading off that second paragraph. Rumors of the media's death have apparently been greatly exaggerated and the public buys off on what they say. This will continue.
The calls for single payer will be deafening. The MBM will lead the charge. The electorate will buy off on it. Obamacare is not going anywhere now.
You'll see that I'm right because I'm basing it on current evidence, not some idealized vision of what I think America should be. The electorate has changed.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 02:59 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Walkers! at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (C4dFv)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (kXoT0)
OH made a lot of r vote provisional ballots ( I saw 2 when I was voting).
They aren't counted for 10 days.
Posted by: momma at November 07, 2012 03:00 AM (fKyrY)
momma, you're right and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. An Obama 2012 sign just got put up yesterday a couple doors down from my parents house in their nice upper-middle class suburb of Los Angeles, CA. Prime Obama Territory. Why do I mention? Because it was the first I've seen in this neighborhood this entire election season, when in 2008 the Obama yard signs were ubiquitous- several on their street alone.
I just saw my what I believe was the first Obama2012 bumper sticker on Ventura Blvd. in Encino a few days ago. Four years ago you'd see dozens everyday. In the past few months I've seen Romney/Ryan bumper stickers in this neighborhood which is just unthinkable in this area which has been represented by Left-Wing Henry Waxman types since forever.
The paid trolls can blame the Evangelicals, or the So Cons, or the racist anti-Dreamer Teabaggers all they want- or even the Jews- but no one will get me to doubt my own eyes.
I have too much first-hand experience with the overwhelming disillusionment that previous Obama voters feel towards him now. A dozen people just among immediate friends and family that voted enthusiastically for Obama in 2008 and either were not voting this time or were not sure about voting Obama and two who actually switched to vote Romney.
I saw clearly what was coming yesterday and what finally showed up wasn't it.
We've been had.
Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (Z6XSF)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (OevbG)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (53riN)
Posted by: jimmytheclaw at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (qWu3+)
Still beyond shocked at the low turn out, given the support we saw at Romney events. I dont claim to being very smart, but such a drop for our side I just cant understand. Obama dropped by nearly 9 million votes and we still lost, because people stayed home. I just dont understand saying home in such large numbers. I heard over and over about huge record lines yesterday, and then we see a huge drop in numbers.
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 03:01 AM (Gr8DF)
Here's a napkin. You've still got a little of Obama's jizz dripping off your chin.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 07, 2012 06:54 AM (zF6Iw)
You better keep that napkin to wipe Obama's jizz out of your anus where he just fucked you.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (HL0e9)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM (HKONC)
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 06:59 AM (M/XKe)
Explain how it will be fair the next election? What changes? Media will still cover and campaign for liberals. Hollywood will as well. And half the country will still pay more attention to celeb gossip and sports than anything else. What changes?
Posted by: DoomedNoLonger at November 07, 2012 03:04 AM (Gr8DF)
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This is exactly how I'm feeling. This makes no sense. I do not understand it. I don't think I ever will.....
My daughter called us crying last night. It was difficult to come up with any comforting words......
Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (X6akg)
Two. Traveled through most of Central and a bit of South America. Not nearly enough to turn native but did get some flavor many years ago.
And a good number of Central and South Americans are now living, legally and not, in the United States. And they are Homo sapiens just as we are while importing their own heritage with the active promotion that they balkanize and not melt in our pot.
So blow that appeal to authority up your ass, too.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (eHIJJ)
I mean it too. The path Obama is on is simply unsustainable. That which can't go on, won't.
Obama is our Gorbachev. I just hope our collapse/resurrection is as quick and clean as it was for the Soviet Union. They got the whole deal done and pretty much completed in under 20 years...which historically is very very fast.
Not being a command/control economy like the Soviets were, we got more economic entanglements that need to be unwound/repudiated though, and that may take longer before it all settles out.
The Soviets were more used to hardship than Americans are too. I expect more civil unrest here than the Soviets had
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 03:05 AM (HDTVy)
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I think Rollory is right.
Posted by: The Lightworker at November 07, 2012 03:06 AM (Thv6H)
"Why do people keep saying that the demographics will be so hard to surmount?"
Because demographic data clearly suggests that Democrat constituent groups will increase in numbers significantly, while Republicans will decline.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Drider at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (PsHkt)
Not close to a mandate for The One. But that never stopped the Leftists from claiming one.
This is a massive disappointment. We cannot surrender! If the Republican Party won't be reformed and strengthened, then we must do what we can elsewhere. Perhaps this is the time to look upon the Republican Party as the modern Whigs, and let it die. A new party? Push for the Republican Senate candidates, while invigorating a new Liberty-based party?
We gotta do sumpin'! 'Sides, any American political Party that could elect Alan Grayson to the US House, and re-elect Wasserman-Schultz, needs to be destroyed, root and branch!
Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 03:07 AM (8vYXA)
No. I'm disputing the notion that this election is evidence of a sea change in the electorate.
You bolster my position by admitting that the electorate isn't informed.
That's my point. For some reason lots of people on this thread have concluded that because people are uniformed, it means that they've embraced statism and reject traditional American values. That conclusion isn't supported by the evidence.
The exit polling shows only that people still blame bush for the economy and think Obama needs more time to fix it. They also felt that Romney's policies would favor the rich, which they felt would be unfair in this time of economic turmoil.
They were wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean that they've embraced statism. It just means they're dolts.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: 56 and loving RR at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (9zugO)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:08 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:09 AM (HKONC)
As a practical matter, there seems to be no difference.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 07, 2012 03:10 AM (HDTVy)
The demographics weren't the problem in this election, because the GOP increased its seats in the House and won the largest number of governorships in history.
And Romney came within one percentage point of matching Obama.
How the hell did a corny Mormon manage that, especially since the entire media was carrying Obama's water?
You're greatly overstating the power of demographics.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:11 AM (SI/pw)
"You better keep that napkin to wipe Obama's jizz out of your anus where he just fucked you.
Posted by: Lachlan at November 07, 2012 07:02 AM (HL0e9)"
Heh. No Sparky, that's your anus he's coming for and in.
I can't wait for all the middle class libs to screech and holler when their taxes go up. Be sure to waddle in here in early '14 and tell us how much you loved getting ass raped by your own messiah.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 03:12 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Ben Ghazi at November 07, 2012 03:02 AM
That's almost what I've been thinking since last night. We need to take the lame stream bastards out.
Posted by: Elise at November 07, 2012 03:13 AM (4w7BT)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:14 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:14 AM (KDAAY)
Of course there's a difference! Stupid people can be taught. Ideologues can't.
Remember when Romney brought out the whiteboard? He only did that ONCE. There's something cultural about Republican politicians that prevents them from doing things differently. Everyone still remembers Perot's charts.
We lost this by ONE FUCKING PERCENTAGE POINT. Romney was within striking distance.
The country is not a lost cause. Not yet. It will be if everyone adopts your attitude and gives up.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:16 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (SKX2R)
I lay in bed this morning after a mostly sleepless night and watched my twin 4 year olds playing with their stuffed animals while they snuggled with me. I worry about what the future holds for them, and for us as a nation. I don't know that I worry more now than I did last night, or 6 months ago. The worries are the same worries.
Our next door neighbors are two lovely people and good friends. They are female, same-sex partners. We have been as close as two neighboring households could be over the four years we've lived next to each other. Cutting each others' grass, gardening together, shared holidays and dinners. My wife commutes to the same employer every morning with one of the women.
They both voted Obama because despite every other single issue, they were convinced that they would be possibly jailed for being gay, should Romney win. Both even said that in virtually every other way Obama deserved to lose their votes from 2008. But they voted the single issue of the gay thing.
The two men who represented our party both have nearly twenty years in public life in business and public office. Neither of them has any history whatsoever of even the mildest hostility to gays, let alone having ever pursued any kind of punitive public policies against gays. This is a matter of very public factual record.
We have lived day-to-day as conservatives next to these women. Romney and Ryan have clear records accessible to anyone who cares to look. Yet, despite their public records and our personal example, these two intelligent women still believed these crazy ideas about "secret plans" to hurt gays and voted accordingly.
I am personally very hurt that these two ladies, to whom we have shown nothing but love and friendship, would think so ill of those we would support despite our personal example every day of who we "really" are. Why would they think we would ever support someone who would want to hurt them?
What more can be done when people who are otherwise intelligent simply will not be persuaded? Who willfully refuse to be persuaded? Who will ignore objective data that even they, themselves, concede is true? Who ignore even multiple years of personal experience with the supporters of a candidate as to that candidate's character and intentions?
The Lord gives us only so much cross as we can bear. We have been blessed as a people for a long time in this country. We endured a terrible Civil War that cost over 600,000 lives. There are many very fine places to live in the world that are far more socialist than we are.
The world hasn't ended. America will go on and so must we. Teaching our kids what we believe to be the right way to live and trusting in the Lord to provide his grace.
I thank Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and everyone on their team, for leaving it all on the field. Everything that could be done was.
My late father always said that the American people get what they deserve, for good or ill. We are still a sharply divided nation. Half of us want one thing and the other half want another thing. I have no idea how these mutually exclusive desires ever resolve.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at November 07, 2012 03:17 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC in Johnson County laughing at Cook County at November 07, 2012 03:18 AM (HKONC)
"They were wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean that they've embraced statism. It just means they're dolts."
And my point is that they aren't going to change. Meaning that they will remain dolts and that they will continue to fuck us all with their ignorance. Voting Republican locals is great and all, but when we're having a serious "debate" in the media about single payer in 2015, you come back here and tell me how the electorate hasn't changed.
Fiscal responsibility used to be a traditional American value. After last night, not anymore. And that's the only value that matters right now.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (DJgfL)
Yes. They are just too comfortable in their role as a cog in the leviathan, or administrative welfare state. As Obama said, change will not come from within Washington, not with the modern republican party with its percs and lobbyists and consultants and other hangers on. I'm interested in joining any kind of viable third party movement.
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (KDAAY)
Wish I could laugh. The takers killed the Golden Goose. Did these 47%er assholes really believe that R&R was gonna make them homeless and starving?
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Well, the "lab" will be going 24/7 now. If the country is to be destroyed, I'd like my "Worlds Greatest Hutch-Meth" to play a part in it.
No more just selling to the teachers, Head start kids now get a discount!
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 03:20 AM (e7S3p)
But now, you're butt-crack's showing.
Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:21 AM (Z6XSF)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:23 AM (NV30n)
A significant minority of Christians who wouldn't vote for a Mormon, so stayed home.
Is that at least a possibility?
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 07:14 AM (SKX2R)
Yes, it's a possibility. Anything is possible.
It's gathering some evidence that supports that possibility instead of pure conjecture that counts as real analysis.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 07, 2012 03:24 AM (uD2fR)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:29 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: edj at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (+QKfp)
Here's another saying: "Beware what you wish for. You just might get it."
I have a feeling your vacuous neighbors and everybody else so thrilled by last night will be singing a different tune in a couple of years.
Oppression has a way of uniting people. When Obama starts killing the coal industry in earnest, the howls of protest from the swing states will be music to my ears.
Not out of Schadenfreude, but because it'll mean people are finally waking up and living with the consequences of their bad decisions.
Some things are inevitable. I created a permanent family rift by trying to prevent my nephew from enlisting in the army because he and his parents lied about his asthma and OCD. Both are automatic disqualifying conditions for service.
The recruiters promised me that they'd keep my information confidential, but they lied and told my sister what I'd said. She and her family no longer speak to me, and my nephew hates me now. On top of it all, the army accepted him into the Chemical Corps. Asthmatics have been known to die in the training, so he may not make it.
But this rift was inevitable, given my sister and brother-in-law's values. It had to happen sooner or later.
What we're seeing now in the country was inevitable, too, which is why I'm not as upset as some. But we can come back from it if we work really hard at it. And as I said, oppression and lack of opportunity tend to unite people.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:31 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:32 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (8vYXA)
Posted by: chris at November 07, 2012 03:33 AM (KDAAY)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (SKX2R)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:36 AM (NV30n)
It will be better next election because Obama won't have primary money to spend. Both sides will fight it out. That's what I meant by somewhat fair. The media will still be in the tank for liberals, but the negative ads that framed the debate won't be there as early.
Posted by: ArkyDore at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (M/XKe)
Posted by: Book at November 07, 2012 03:37 AM (GYXSA)
You're wrong. Last night the electorate did vote--in it's ignorant, uninformed way--for fiscal responsibility.
They supported Obama because he promised them economic recovery, and he demonized Romney as a champion of the wealthy, who would give his buddies tax breaks while making up the resulting loss of revenue by raising taxes on the middle class.
That was the entire spiel of the Democrats. Obama was cast as the real fiscal conservative, remember? And Romney would bring back those awful, irresponsible Bush policies that got us into this mess in the first place.
We need better spokespeople, that's all. The electorate is open to fiscal responsibility. Last night's vote actually proved it, in an upside-down, perverse, Bizarro World way.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:38 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:42 AM (NV30n)
And take your "Evangelicals stabbed us in the back" prepared talking points back for revision.
You're much too obvious.
Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 03:43 AM (Z6XSF)
Posted by: Barry S at November 07, 2012 03:44 AM (00mU5)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 03:45 AM (SKX2R)
Llarry at November 07, 2012 07:31 AM (
I'm the black sheep in my family for being a Repub. My family, on paper at least, are conservative. Successful enterpreneurs, conservation minded land owners, pro-life ralliers etc..Except Pedophile dem neighbors are OK, 'cuz he just clicked on the wrong website .........1100 times!
But the mutherfuckers pull the straight "DROOGY LEEEVER" for donks. My mom has a pic w/Biden! Suckers of cock to feel special. I couldn't care less if Mitt knows where Pa is on a map. I wanted a little sanity, not emotion.
Fuck them. They only call when they need shit. I got a new version of "Grab (my) Bag" this X-mas!
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (e7S3p)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:46 AM (NV30n)
This won't last for long. And once we institute the German and French method of stabilizing the patient at the scene instead of immediately transporting them to the hospital, thus ensuring that more people die that get expensive treatments for accidents or heart disease, the lawyers will line up.
Litigation will increase a thousand fold, and the new government exchanges will be put out of business, because the litigation will offset the saving incurred by letting the patient die.
We won't stand for that for very long. And since Obama has obligingly embraced he name "Obamacare," he gets the blame.
He's not God. At some point there will be a real preference cascade and he'll be exposed.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: Book at November 07, 2012 03:48 AM (GYXSA)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:51 AM (NV30n)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 03:53 AM (NV30n)
But the GOP has yet to accept that. Once they do, they can devise a workaround.
While a defeat, this election brought Romney to within one percentage point of victory. In 2008 Obama beat McCain by seven points.
With a nominee who can explain our troubles, the solutions, and stay away from the rape-trap and the vagina-talk, we can still win.
But we also need nominees who will punch back twice as hard. Romney did it for a while, but I think he got worried that he would seem less presidential if he demolished Obama, so he held back. It cost him.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 03:59 AM (SI/pw)
Not when the lawyers are the biggest donors and lobbyists.
Posted by: Llarry at November 07, 2012 04:00 AM (SI/pw)
Posted by: spotted reptile at November 07, 2012 04:05 AM (OFIz8)
Show me your data. These detailed reports you've gathered to support the very specific allegation you've made that 18,500,000 Evangelicals stayed home last night.
Funny how no one mentioned this scenario as a serious liability for a prospective Romney candidacy during the nomination- which is when it would have been raised if it was thought to be a legitimate issue which could seriously damage him in the general election. Funny how Catholics turned out for the Mormon. Funny that it was never brought up at any time this summer and fall and how no one mentioned this during the non-stop on-air numbers crunching sessions over the last few days and weeks.
It only pops up for discussion now that you've raised it persistently this evening.
Posted by: november1981 at November 07, 2012 04:06 AM (Z6XSF)
Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 04:14 AM (W5c4e)
Posted by: Glen at November 07, 2012 04:16 AM (K1CbB)
Posted by: Ohioisnotparadise at November 07, 2012 04:19 AM (W5c4e)
Posted by: social conservative at November 07, 2012 04:35 AM (qfJpa)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 07, 2012 04:52 AM (SKX2R)
I will laugh.
Posted by: I forgot at November 07, 2012 05:01 AM (HNE+c)
Posted by: Sexypig at November 07, 2012 05:18 AM (NV30n)
No, I will NOT vote for a Muslim. I think we all know enough about them that voting for one is tantamount to suicide. But voting for a Mormon, a Catholic, a Jew, or an Atheist, is not a problem. The campaigns are not about religious issues. We are not voting for a Church Council. We are voting for Government in the secular realm. That's all.
And that's how I vote.
*sigh* I had such HIGH HOPES for Romney/Ryan.
Posted by: benning at November 07, 2012 05:55 AM (8vYXA)
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