You realize what George MacSoros and the rest of the Scots-Irish are doing here, right?

Every single calorie you waste on this clown Brett Whatever-His-Name-Is is a calorie you don't have to devote to stopping MacSoros and his various puppets, like Barry Soetoro Dunham.

Only so many calories available to be burned in a day.

Zero. Sum. Game.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

He stayed at a Holiday Inn.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:07 PM (ZtwUX

Preznit Choom Gang

11 -

Maybe to you, but I suppose if you'd lost your job or got dragged into court, or had viable threats made against you, including having police show up at your door with guns drawn, all due to the actions of one small band of merry pranksters, you might consider it worth your while to add up that sum. 

Or if you cared about the people to whom it was happening. 

You realize what George MacSoros and the rest of the Scots-Irish are doing here, right?

What the heck? Scots-Irish?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

Isn't there a saying about a lawyer representing himself?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:09 PM (UOM4

To Hell with him; with the internet scooping him continually maybe it's time for him to close up shop.  He's gotten as lazy as the MFM turds.

Placed person elegible for relief in fear of imminent serious bodily harm: COUNTLESS NUMBER OF BLOGS EITHER THREATENING DEATH

I imagine that part is usually supposed to make sense??

Posted by: Random at May 29, 2012 01:08 PM (ieFeF)

About a 90 percent chance of that in MD, yes. It's lefty hell.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:10 PM (05RcU)

And I appreciate it 'cuz I need the easy ones!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at May 29, 2012 01:13 PM (/kI1Q

She head-butted him in bed at 4:00 a.m. to be fed. 

>> If AW was representing himself and got too passionate then the judge was probably within his rights to hit him with contempt, alas.

But that's not what happened, unless I missed something.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 29, 2012 01:05 PM (ZtwUX) <<<<<

Interesting......

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:14 PM (XdlcF)

Yeah, I just realized I switched the two roles.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:06 PM (05RcU)

Isn't he a lawyer himself? Why wouldn't he represent himself?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 29, 2012 01:11 PM (7Ph7Z)

Click my name to see the "Final Peace Order" including this unbelievable section:

"That the respondent shall stay away from:

The Petitioner's place(of) employment at:

ANYWHERE.

Posted by: pickles at May 29, 2012 01:19 PM (wUldG)

But he's not anti-semitic, he's just anti-zionist, right?

>>Why wouldn't he represent himself?

See Ace's statement about Aaron getting irritated...

Now toad-licking.

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What two or more people do in the sanctity of their own bedroom or wherever else it feels right is of no business to you Reich-wing haters.

Speech about a private person isn't protected. Otherwise defamation laws would violate the 1st amendment. This is one reason to have Kimberlin's record read into the Congressional Record: the then becomes a "public person" or whatever the term is.

I could be mistaken on this, but I think this guy already tried to sue someone for libel or defamation of character and either lost or had the suit tossed because the judge ruled that it was nearly impossible to defame someone whose character was already destroyed. Maybe it was a different person, I can't recall for certain, but the point was that the plaintiff's character was already so badly damaged that there was very little that anyone else could say or write that would make him seem worse. This could be why you see Kimberlin filing all of these "peace orders" type suits that have nothing to do with defamation of character.

Buzz, Aaron Walker blogged under the name "Aaron Worthing".

Cicero, click my name for a copy of the peace order. Not that it will actually help make any sense of this!!

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:23 PM (QKKT0)

My understanding is that Kimberlin claims that AW physically attacked him at some point. This story gets weirder by the moment so I might be wrong about that.

ruled by an elitist bunch of fucking pants-wearing shitweeds,

I believe you meant to say.

 ruled by an elitist bunch of fucking shitweeds

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The technical term is elitistfuckingshitweedocracy.

>>My understanding is that Kimberlin claims that AW physically attacked him at some point.

That, and video of what actually happened, are at Aaron's Allergic to Bull blog.

But...blogs with death threats are what are mentioned in the peace order.

"He stayed at a Holiday Inn."

There's the problem!  He needed to stay at a Holiday Inn EXPRESS!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:22 PM (05RcU)

I believe I could work up some emotional detachment if the alternative is paying somebody $3,000.00 + just to show up for a hearing.  Seriously, who would have thought it could have gone this way?

Posted by: Ian S. at May 29, 2012 01:26 PM (tqwMN)

Yes it's the same players behind this, but battles and order of battles has to be chosen wisely so people dont get distracted.

>>Just spoke to a source who confirms that witnesses saw Walker led out of the courtroom in handcuffs.

Hmm. Is that because of something that happened in the courtroom, like comtempt, or is it because he's supposed to stay away from "ANYWHERE" as stated in the peace order linked in my name??

114I see nothing in the Peace Order that Walker is known to have violated so I guess we have to wait for transcript to find out what bugged the judge.<<<<

And also, I'd keep writing about convicted felon Brett Kimberlin.  Worthing never communicated a threat as far as I can tell.

Extradite me, motherfucker, for blogging facts entered into the public record.

Hmm.  Maybe that's what Aaron told the judge that got him arrested.

Reading Worthing's account of this a week or so ago, I concluded that he has not been very smart, and simply is not very smart. Earlier, he showed up at a hearing he didn't need to be at, and piped up out of turn repeatedly, and annoyed and puzzled the judge. When Kimberlin supposedly raised an IPad to strike him outside the courtroom Worthing took it away from him instead of rapidly moving away. He is fecless and has played right into the sociopath's hands at every turn and has gotten himself all stuck to the tarbaby.

And the judge is either a fool or a tool, and the law is a ass. Those things are also true.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 01:30 PM (IEUSX)

Maybe that thinking is the mistake you avoid by having someone represent you.

These are left wing activist judges with no sense or reason.

*stares at Jane D'oh for a little longer than is normally considered comfortable*

*shakes it's head as it looks away*

No...couldn't be...

*walks away*

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 29, 2012 01:25 PM (XdlcF)

Thanks, mama.  The order is pretty vague but it appears that Kimberlin convinced some judge that either (a) Worthing threatened BK with imminent bodily harm (on his blog maybe?) or (b) Worthing's blogging caused third persons to threaten BK.  IMO, restraining on alternative (a) would probably be proper; restraining on grounds of (b) would almost certainly NOT be proper.  If a judge could restrain a blogger because his writing about a subject  caused a nutjob to threaten the subject, there would be no end to the potential for censorship.

There's also some stuff that suggests Worthing had confrontations with BK, but this may just be boilerplate.

Anyone know what Worthing said about BK on his blog that might be seen as an imminent threat?  If BK produced something, I can see the judge treating Worthing roughly.

Posted by: Jay at May 29, 2012 01:33 PM (nojhZ)

But until we know , maybe the activist judge used that saying to imply he didn't represented himself correctly.

Rule number one:  Never tick off the judge.  Rule number two:  everything else.

I am *not*, I repeat *not* saying that's what happened, I wasn't there and I have no idea at all what happened.  But if you violate rule number one?  Well, a judge has many options, including having you thrown in jail for disrespecting his authoritah.  That can happen no matter how right you are about whatever it is you are arguing. 

I have Opinions about peace orders/protective orders/whatever your jurisdiction calls them.  In brief, they are too easy to obtain and far, far too broad.  Again, I have no idea, at all, if Aaron Worthing violated the terms of the peace order that was in place.  None.  I am simply saying that, speaking broadly, these types of orders are too easily granted.

So I guess to win on the peace order deal, whether you really have a leg to stand on, Is be the one who asks  one first.

make shit up i guess, also who outted place of works wifes work and home address anyway? who was threatening whom?

If Aaron was representing himself he probably could not fire himself as his legal counsel while in session...

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He should probably file a 35(c) motion alleging ineffective assistance of counsel.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:37 PM (NG097)

Look, these parades you throw are very expensive. You using my police, my sanitation people, and my Oldsmobiles free of charge. So, if you mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken.

I hear lawyers make good fertilizer.

Is that not redundant? (It all depends on how you define the word "is".)

Prohibited act? Again I ask, how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?

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If Worthing didn't bring this up then he has a fool for a client. But this is nothing new in the court system. I recall reading stories about the lawyers for the 100 exact cases that preceded Rosa Parks being thrown into jail by the judge. One of the quotes I'll paraphrase, when a judge told the lawyer he's being locked up for defending the client. "You northerners want to come into my courthouse with these stunts, you'll be locked up".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CP+yl)

Yes , Patience , this is left wing psy ops and lawfare against bloggers. Needs a mobilization.

What did this "peace order" say, exactly?

I am so glad I don't live in the People's Republic of Maryland...

The law expects lawyers to get paid. If no lawyer is paid, justice is not served.

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I remember during the Obamacare debate Obama alleged that doctors would perform unnecessary tonsilectomies and amputations for the money.  Maybe you should perform your own surgery as well, just to be safe.

#BrettKimberlin‬ "affiliate" says "The rest of you plotters will probably be served soon."

Bring it.  I've got lawyers by the dozens!

Looking at it this way... The most important thing to judges, ahead of justice, is that your respect their authoritah.

The judge might have been strongly inclined to arrest Aaron Worthing because he felt his Peace Order had been violated.

Which would explain why he got "increasingly hostile" as the hearing wore on.

 how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?

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Full faith and credit clause.

"Respect mah authoritay."  Truer words.  The law is not the ass here, it's the judge.  Not doing his/her/its job.

WTF?

there is clear and convincing evidence that [Walker] is likely to commit a prohibited act in the future against [Kimberlin].”

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That seems pretty arbitrary....

how can an "order" issued by a Maryland judge in a Maryland court have any authority over a resident of another state?

gah, probably has something to do with commerce clause.

It went bad for Walker pretty quickly. If youÂ’ve followed the matter, and I know not a lot of people have, Walker, who is an attorney, acted in an advisory capacity for another blogger who had dealings with Kimberlin. Kimberlin later accused Walker of assault; those charges were null-processed; Walker wrote about things like youÂ’ll read on KimberlinÂ’s wikipedia page, as well as his own dealings with Kimberlin.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (pAlYe)

Ditto.

What you have yourselfs is a victim whom Ace and a huge majority of commenters are frantically dissociating yourselfs from, because yourselfs "understand" he "must have done something"...because (all we know for sure is) the government appears to be treating him poorly.

Yourselfs is a bag o' tools who aren't even on *your own* side, and you deserve whatever Kimberlin & Co. decide you deserve.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 01:48 PM (MNbIC)"

Are there no conservative lawyers who would take this case pro bono? THIS case? We are really and truly fucked if that's the case.

The law expects lawyers to get paid.

This. If you read through any of the statutes on paying back liens, be they to the government (Medicare or Medicaid) or to a private insurer (ERISA qualified health plans for example), the amount at issue is the amount after the lawyer gets paid. Lawyers write the laws and lawyers make damn sure that the profession will get paid.

It was a serious mistake for Aaron to go into a hearing without a lawyer. Aaron thought the truth would be enough. It is not enough in Maryland.

We don't know why he was arrested. You can be thrown in jail for contempt while being totally right as a matter of law. (Again, I have no idea if that's what happened but that's my gut reaction to the little that we know)  The most idiotic thing I've ever seen in court was a defendant saying to a judge that he didn't have to obey an order compelling discovery of his assets to satisfy a verdict because the jury was wrong and he wasn't going to pay. The judge asked him point blank if he was refusing to do what the court said. The guy said yes. I thought the judge was going to come over the bench and throttle him with his bare hands. That guy was in jail for two days before the judge decided he would deign to listen to a request for release. 

Rule number one. Never ever tick off the judge.  Ever.

Full faith and credit clause.

I get that for stuff like "Pay this guy this much money," or "Stay away from this person and don't try to contact him." Those I understand. What I don't understand is, "Hey, you in that other state over there. Don't say anything about this guy in this state over here." Seems to me that even if a judge could preempt the speech of a person in a different state it would be a federal judge that would be doing it, not a state judge.

Posted by: toby928© at May 29, 2012 01:55 PM (NG097)

Well, if it's about contempt of court. But the issue of the peace order is still out there, isn't it?

And Walker pissed him off. So did Kimberlin, but Walker identified himself as a Yale-trained lawyer, albeit one who was representing himself. Kimberlin made any number of allegations–essentially, everything that was said about his side–issuing death threats, harming business interests, summoning SWAT teams to the home–was said by Kimberlin to have been done by Walker’s side.

The pair went back and forth, back and forth, with Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil.

At one point, when Walker again interrupted Kimberlin, an attorney who was “advising” Walker–i.e.,. sitting in the coutroom, but not actually at Walker’s table, signaled to the plaintiff that he ought to “zip it.” This process amused Kimberlin, obviously.

If that link that was provided from someone who attended is accurate, then the peace order was merely kept in place but Worthing got arrested because he didn't shut up.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (QKKT0)

Context says its corrupt.

Very informative link, Y-not.

"Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil."

Conclusion:  Walker is an idiot.  In addition to pissing of the guy in the dress, the fact that Walker could not behave politely made him look like the kind of guy that Kimberlin said that he was.

P.S.  I got bawled out by a judge late last Friday evening when I raised my voice while cross examining a defendant.  I immediately apologized to the court and continued in a more professional manner.  I won and the defendant is in the custody of DOC now.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

uh hmm. well said.

now i would liek to discuss the NY internet speech legislation thing . anyone up on that?

How did Kimberlin afford an attorney? And if he was represented pro bono, what lawyer would defend this guy for free

I have no facts (thus seperating myself from defamation and such) but I'd suspect that his his Charity may have something to do with this question.

Walrus Rex states:

"Walker getting increasingly flustered, and the Judge finally asking, “what did they tell you in Yale Law School about interrupting a judge?” And later advising Walker to sit down, grip a pencil, and whenever he was tempted to speak over the Judge (or Kimberlin, but mostly over the Judge), to instead grip the pencil."

That doesn't sound very good. Was walker  attempting  to  get infomation included , would that be typical if He was trying but the Judge wouldn't allow it?

just asking for the general gist of how a trial type thing goes in a peace order.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 29, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

Yes , you should have the right to free speech without being connected and affording a team of lawyers.

This is a war on freedom from the left , again.

Judges are pretty damn powerfull. I was watching one on court tv once tell a person he was not to be within so many feet of the other party. The guy answered that he already lives within that distance from the person. The judges answer was, well then you'll have to move.

Kimberlin didn't have a lawyer, he had an "advisor" sitting with the public who was able to whisper into his ear, apparently.

forget 292,

paragraphs ran into one another it makes no sense.

(a)  Prohibited.- A person may not follow another in or about a public place or maliciously engage in a course of conduct that alarms or seriously annoys the other: 

(1) with the intent to harass, alarm, or annoy the other; 

(2) after receiving a reasonable warning or request to stop by or on behalf of the other; and 

(3) without a legal purpose. 

(b)  Exception.- This section does not apply to a peaceable activity intended to express a political view or provide information to others. 

(c)  Penalty.- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 90 days or a fine not exceeding $500 or both.  

http://tinyurl.com/6uoen6f

If a court has personal jurisdiction over a party, it can make an order restraining that party's conduct no matter where it might occur. (Otherwise, the party could just cross a state line and violate an injunction with impunity.)

When you say personal jurisdiction, do you mean something like a person on probation or parole? Because I completely understand that.

I have a case in now where a California federal judge restrained my client, a company, from carrying out certain business transactions in China. It's a valid order.

That I understand as well because it's a federal judge. But could a California state judge issue issue that same order?

P.S. I got bawled out by a judge late last Friday evening whenI raised my voice while cross examining a defendant. I immediately apologized to the court and continued in a more professional manner. I won and the defendant is in the custody of DOC now.

I once very nearly got thrown in jail for contempt because the lawyer I was assisting (I was running the presentation equipment) asked me to bring her back a bottle of water during a break. She neglected to tell me that the judge had specifically prohibited any food or drink of any kind, including bottles of water, from being brought into court. I bop out, get a bottle from the machine, head back in and started getting yelled at from the bench the second I entered the courtroom. The Bitch for whom I worked sat there and didn't say a word btw. I basically did the "I am sorry, Your Honor, you are right, Your Honor, I am terribly sorry, Your Honor, may I have the Court's permission to leave the room to dispose of this, Your Honor?" thing.  I was later told by defense counsel that the only reason I didn't get hauled off was because it was very clear from my shocked deer expression that I had no idea that he had given that directive.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 29, 2012 02:04 PM (MNbIC)

[Waves and chuckles evilly]

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 29, 2012 01:49 PM (pAlYe)

Exactly.  The #emoprogs *want* us to all be isolated and telling each individual attacked "Sorry kid, you're on your own, we have an election to win" does their work at least as well( and I say better) as using some energy to support those attacked.

seems kimberlin projetcs his behavior on his victims,

kimberlins past could not be brought up? why? is the scope to large for a peace order proccess?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 29, 2012 01:51 PM (UOM4

I strongly recommend Tammy Bruce over the internet as an alternative between 1-3.  She hasn't talked about Kimberlin yet, but she did last week, but just got through slapping the snot out of Peggy Costanza Noonan for her witless performance in front of douchetool Charlie Rose (what could go wrong) urging Romney to disassociate himself from the "freak show" of the Tea Party.  Peggy would rather have McCain 2 for a campaign since she's still so fucking butthurt for being completely wrong on the JEF.  Being wrong all the time appears to be adding even more lines to Peggy's face; well, that and the booze.

That doesn't sound very good. Was walker attempting to get infomation included , would that be typical if He was trying but the Judge wouldn't allow it?

just asking for the general gist of how a trial type thing goes in a peace order.

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It's hard to say what happened.  Extrapolating from Y-not's link, the judge was magnificently ignorant of common internet issues.  For example, the judge seemed to believe that Twitter postings were messages from Walker directly to Kimberlin and the judge was shocked to find 500,000 Goggle searches of something Kimberlin-related and appeared to think that Walker searched Kimberlin 500,000 times.  That would indeed be infuriating but 1) stupid judges are a fact of life and 2) the proper response is to educate the judge, not denigrate him.  I'm speculating here but Walker may not have realized the depth of the judge's ignorance regarding internet issues so during his presentation made no effort to insure that the judge understood what was going on.  When he realized his mistake, he may have become frustrated.  He's apparenlty is in the cooler now with time to mediate on a better trial strategy.

There is nothing particularly unusual, by the way, in conducting highly emotional hearings.  Many divorces, for example, are extremely hotly contested and highly emotionally charged.  It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker.  He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct. 

Posted by: ResistWeMuch at May 29, 2012 01:35 PM (bpONz)

This is more an indictement of the failings of our system ( A left over of monarchy in my opinion) than it is an indictment of someone representing themselves.  People are in effect saying " Pay the corrupt system, or you'll be sorry!"  While it may be true, the problem is that the system is corrupt, not that individuals are representing themselves.

Aaron , other than A Walker being asked for help from another person (a liberal )being harrassed by Kimberlin (not asked  in a formal capacity as His atty )

and A Walker  then being threatened for giving advice on where to go for help

from Kimberlin'

 i think that is where the  interest in kimberlin was statrted

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I couldn't open the Stacy McCain link, but I'm guessing Mr. Worthing brought up Kimberlin's past and the judge didn't want to hear about it, and then brought it up again, and was held in contempt.   Why wouldn't the judge want to hear it?  He/she probably thinks it's irrelevant to the question before him/ her: if I negligently run over Charles Manson's toe and he sues me, I can't use "but he's Charles Manson" as a defense to my own violation of the law unless it's an excuse recognized by the law.   A pattern of frivolous suits might not be considered relevant either -- the judge may want to consider whether this might be one of the times the stopped clock is right.   Also, while the record on Kimberlin is well-documented, I'm guessing if Worthing just started mentioning facts without documentation, the judge may have viewed it as hearsay, and, if Kimberlin denied the stories, he/ she would have to hear admissible evidence on the point, which, going back to the first reason, could be viewed as taking the issue far afield from what the judge thought the scope of the hearing should be.

Alex, did the bitch actually set you up?

No, she is pretty much the poster child for Entitled Bitch and simply thought rules didn't apply to her. Hell, on a separate occasion I had to have a court officer go and tell her that no, ma'am, your assistant is not allowed to bring your lunch into the courtroom and she is not lying about that. She was sitting directly underneath a huge sign that said "NO FOOD OR DRINK IN THE COURTROOM" at the time.  This is the same woman who screamed at me while on conference call with five other people about how it was my fault that the internet and video conferencing lines were down directly after telling her that the reason that everything was down was because a substantial portion of the northeast was out due to a major cable being severed.  I'm not kidding, she blamed that on me.  Via screaming.  In front of other people.

No words for how happy I am that I am out of that place.   No words. 

. It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct. <<<<

Or who fail to sufficiently suck his wrinkled fucking ass.  He sat there crowing about how stupid people are for posting on Twitter: "Don't they have anything better to do?"

Kimberlin is complaining about Walker's internet activity, here's a pile of some type of activity, this Yale brat is annoying, fuck it, I'll piss on him because I can't be bothered.

Fuck both of those cocksuckers.

For example, the judge seemed to believe that Twitter postings were messages from Walker directly to Kimberlin and the judge was shocked to find 500,000 Goggle searches of something Kimberlin-related and appeared to think that Walker searched Kimberlin 500,000 times. That would indeed be infuriating but 1) stupid judges are a fact of life and 2) the proper response is to educate the judge, not denigrate him.

There is nothing particularly unusual, by the way, in conducting highly emotional hearings. Many divorces, for example, are extremely hotly contested and highly emotionally charged. It is the judge's job to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. He does this by removing people who are unable to control their conduct.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 29, 2012 02:17 PM (jUZRg)

Ok , thank you.   But Kimberlain has already won this round? ?

what about the earlier order that Aaron had won, ( spoken of by another commenter)? is that deleted?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:21 PM (IEUSX)

You're lawyer hasn't got the same personal conflict with the judge. Makes it emotionally easier for him.

No words for how happy I am that I am out of that place. No words.

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You know how people think that attorneys are assholes?  Well, there's a reason for that.

Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:15 PM (Tlix5)

As far as I can tell, Breitbart et al. stumbled upon Kimberlin while investigating Weiner.  When they realized what sort of person the #emoprogs were funding he became a story in his own right.  At which time he decided to make anyone who mentioned him *very* sorry they'd ever heard of him, and Walker got pulled into it from a chance dealing with one of them.

Ahhh, the beauty of the American justice system...   Easily half the judges in the US need to be shit canned and replaced. 

I expect lawyers to be dirty a large % of the time because they have a profit motive pushing them to win at all costs.  But judges should be above this.  I don't expect Solomon-like wisdom, but we can certainly do without so many outright fools, and Leftist ideologues.

This on more problem representing yourself , you know "too much" about the case to accept the Kafka-escue process.
It's not so much about justice as it is about the process. Process uber alles.

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Right.  First you need to knwo the infield fly rule before you can play baseball with the big boys.

alex,  sorry dear, glad you're out of there.

tea,  (not chamomile)

what about the earlier order that Aaron had won, ( spoken of by another commenter)? is that deleted?

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I don't know.  One hopes that time will clarify the issues.

thank you walrus ,for the patience shown me.

i'll now leave you alone .

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2012 01:39 PM (05RcU)

We cannot match the megaphone of the MFM, but we should try nevertheless. In the meantime, we can develop our own tools, since we don't have access to theirs. BK represented himself did he not?

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:33 PM (z36s0)

I think few people could handle it. But most are surprised as we knew Aaron is a lawyer and should know about the game better than the rest of us.

Posted by: Dustin at May 29, 2012 02:44 PM (z36s0)

Yes , this isn't just about Aaron.

Posted by: Cicero at May 29, 2012 01:52 PM (QKKT0)

I just read an account from someone who was there. Apparently Walker had a problem common to many lawyers. He liked the sound of his own voice too much.

Not sure this was decided wrongly based on what was presented.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (IEUSX)

I see it more like he was too emotionally invested to make the right tactical decision. He's morally right , but that's not how the process works.

Posted by: Purp (@PurpAv) at May 29, 2012 02:59 PM (2jktF)

Bingo.

This should become a test case for freedom of speech.

If it reached the Supremes, it would be a 9-0 case.

Make no mistake, this judge is out of bounds.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 29, 2012 02:10 PM (VtjlW)

The legal system didn't quite make the transition from Monarchy when the Rest of our nation did.  Ever wonder why a Citizen of the United States should have to "Plead" in court?

Posted by: grognard at May 29, 2012 03:00 PM (NS2Mo)

This is what it's all about.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:23 PM (AWmfW)

And here is the gist of it I think. I have long denounced the existence of "process nazis" in our court, but let's face it. Our courts ARE more concerned with the process than they are with successful results.

"I, for one, don't think that ANYONE is worth sacrificing to the wolves just to maintain a mythical big picture. THIS is the fight and it always has been. It starts in the mud and goes all the way to the top. And quite frankly, if we can't be bothered to stand up for the rights of our countrymen, and insist on cleaning up corruption in the legal system, this country isn't worth saving from Obama."

This x eleventy!  This is an attempt to thwart the rise of "new media" and
silence *everyone* who dissents.  If the #emoprogs are allowed to succeed here Walker will only be the first. He is meant to be a warning to *all* small fries what can happen if you cross the "wrong" person and if we remain silent we become complicit in our own doom.

That sounds a little more dramatic than I was trying for, but I don't know how else to put it.

Posted by: Aaron at May 29, 2012 02:53 PM (Tlix5)

The other part of this is that yes, this may be a "squirrel" but we *can't* ignore every one.  I'm convinced that Martin/Zimmerman was a "squirrel", at least at some level, but were we to let a man be killed because his was a "squirrel" situation?  The left *knows* we are wired to protect and yes, they'll use that against us, but sometimes you have to accept that you have chinks that can be exploited but are integral to the design. 

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 29, 2012 02:57 PM (AWmfW)

It reminds me of one of the so-called greatest put downs in legal history. A Judge notices a lawyer is fuming and the judge asks him "Sir, are you trying to show contempt for this court? " No your Honor. " He replies. " I'm doing my best to conceal it. "

I get the feeling some of these bloggers  are covering up  some stuff that doesn't show them in a good light.  This judge seemed sharp  to me.  And don't give me this stuff  he does't know anything about twitter, etc, not relavant.

Why doesn't Walker/Worthing and all others harrassed file Peace Orders against Kimberlin? 

"Perhaps you missed that Aaron Walker is a practicing lawyer. "

Seems he needs a little more practice.

 Kimberlin gamed the system again.  Not only did he get his Peace Order confirmed, but late last week he moved to get another warrant issued so that he could get Walker arrested today.

Case No 5D00279004

Warrant issued on May 27,2012 for Failure To Obey a Peace Order

Pretty clear what happened. Kimberlin knows how these things work. Filing a complaint for violation of a peace order cause a warrant to be issued with virtually no review, a rubber stamp process. Kimberlin apparently initiated that process to get a warrant issued at the last minute, over the weekend, so no one would know. No doubt he informed the sheriff that Walker would be in court today.

WalkerÂ’s detention will be reviewed shortly by a commissioner. He should be released thereafter, assuming the commissioner in not another retired dementia case sitting for a competent person.

If what Mervign, DLOTS said is true, then Walker got arrested because of his presence in court, so the Judge had actual personal jurisidiction and could enforce a warrant directly.

As for Walker being a lawyer, I would say that since he is reported to have worked on stuff like health information privacy and contracts, he likely had zero court experience, and his malpractice insurance, in the words of an office lawyer I met, "merely require that he know where the court houses were so that he not accidentally stumble into one." Unless he sat for and passed the bar, he is not an attorney and cannot "attorn" for someone. Interrupting the judge, or "stepping on teh judge", is bad, as they are even more enamored of the sound of their voices than the lawyers.

If Kimberlin really is making a pattern and practice of using the courts to silence political speech, this publicity will only work to his disadvantage, as his pattern and practice are revealed and marshalled against him.