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April 02, 2012

ABCNews Retracts Claim That George Zimmerman Wasn't Injured?
— Ace

If you remember, ABCNews ran a police-station surveillance video of the night George Zimmerman was brought in for questioning, right after the shooting. The video, they claimed, did not show injuries.

There were a couple of problems with this assertion. The first was that ABCNews threw a useless chyron over the most important image on the tape -- over George Zimmerman's head -- prompting the question: Why would you obscure what you claim is tell tale evidence?

For another thing, if you look at the tape without that chyron blocking your view, you can see something that looks like a gash on the back of his head.

Well, the Orlando Sentinel says ABCNews showed a new version of the tape and it appears that Zimmerman's head is in fact gashed, just as thought.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."
Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.
Gutman said the video had been "clarified" by Forensic Protection Inc. Former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett told ABC that the clearer video shows "marks on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head."

By the way, that's the same reporter who claimed there were no signs of injury on Zimmerman -- and aggressively attacked people who said otherwise on Twitter.

(Incidentally, he also Tweeted the headline: Bloggers Cherry-Pick From Social Media to Cast Trayvon Martin as a Menace. In other words, they plucked out the stuff that suggested criminality or bad behavior, and ignored stuff like "thank you for wishing me a happy birthday."

Um, you're saying we should report stuff like "thank you for wishing me a happy birthday"? That's cherry-picking?

Isn't that a very basic type of news judgment? Stuff that everyone says is not newsworthy. Atypical stuff is newsworthy. And in a case where the media has cast Trayvon Martin as a choirboy who, and this is the critical part, would never behave aggressively or start a fight, it is relevant that he seems to enjoyed pot and maybe some burglary too.)

And a neighbor (unnamed) says Zimmerman was bruised and bandaged the next day.

"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.
He described where the injuries were.
"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.

Just One Minute says the walkbacks are becoming a stampede.

The media cooks all these stories, and then acts arrogant and belligerent when we notice they're cooking these stories. That makes them angry.

You're calling me a LIAR?!!?!, screamed the guy who just lied to your face.

Meanwhile, CNN ignores a witness -- "John," a neighbor -- who says that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, and pushes a witness who says the opposite.

Sort of. Actually, this witness did not even see the scuffle, but only came over to see what was going on after the gunshot. At that point, she saw Zimmerman above Trayvon-- but how could it be otherwise? Trayvon was dead.

CNN claims that John is the "only witness" who supports Zimmerman's account. But this woman, Mary Cutcher, did not see the scuffle by her own testimony. She guesses it was Trayvon crying out, because the crying out ended with the gunshot-- but that's an inference, and it is easily explainable that Zimmerman might have been crying out but stopped when he pulled the trigger. After all, he just plugged a guy in the heart.

Why would he continue crying out? For help in moving the body?

Despite the fact that "John," who witnessed the whole scuffle, says that Trayvon was on top and Zimmerman was crying out for help, CNN has enlisted "experts" to analyze the 911 calls and they have determined ~~conclusively~~ tentatively that they cannot say Zimmerman was crying out.

Tom Maguire notes that voice-analysts own protocols call for them getting the suspected subject to speak the same lines as those on the tape being analyzed, with the same level of excitement. That is, if you're trying to see if a guy is the one who screamed "HELP ME" on tape, you ask him to scream "HELP ME" and then compare those samples.

They didn't have that hear at all -- the "experts" say "Sure, we'd like to have that, but in a pinch, we can just guestimate."

Rocket Science

Contrary to popular belief, even rocket science is not rocket science.

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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:33 AM (8y9MW)

2 MFM FAIL.

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2012 09:34 AM (GQ8sn)

3 Posted by: EC at April 02, 2012 01:34 PM (GQ8sn)

But you repeat yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:35 AM (8y9MW)

4 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 01:35 PM (8y9MW)

Touche!

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2012 09:36 AM (GQ8sn)

5 This is why I don't watch the "news," and haven't since long before the internet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 02, 2012 09:36 AM (exvgC)

6 There is also audio of the 911 call where a woman calling in says she was looking at a guy in a white shirt on top of a guy in a red sweater.

Maybe she was standing on her head when she called.

Posted by: Dang at April 02, 2012 09:36 AM (BbX1b)

7 Our corrupt media.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 09:36 AM (DGIjM)

8 I really never get tired of pointing out they lie. It was an epiphany that I knew made me sound like a crack pot when speaking with people. Saying "the news lies to you, and no not just normal lies but ones that serve a political agenda" makes you sound like a psycho. It has to be done though, it has to be. Hard truth beats pretty little liberal lies any fucking day of the week.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 02, 2012 09:36 AM (20dsy)

9 I can't remember a time when the MFM was so dead set against helping a Democrat.

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

10 Here's the thing- I'd kind of like not to be rooting for the guy who just killed an apparently unarmed teenager. In my normal world-view "guy who killed unarmed teenager" is not supposed to be the sympathetic one.

So why is the MFM going to such lengths to make him the sympathetic actor in this little drama? Did they expect we (the conservative blogosphere) would just accept their story at face value?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

11 ..aaaaaand cue trolls!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (JEpGb)

12 It seems to me that to perform a meaningful voice comparison you'd also need a sample from the dead guy, which I think might be a little difficult to get at this point.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (JxMoP)

13 You also have to love the CBS story based on the funeral director saying Martin wasn't injured (other than being shot dead).

* An ethical funeral director wouldn't talk to the reporters.

* He especially wouldn't talk unless he had permission from the family, who also happen to be the ones paying him.

* It's irrelevant since Zimmerman doesn't claim he was beating up Martin, but the other way around.

* A coroner (who would not be employed by the family) is in a better position to evaluate Martin's injuries--despite the funeral director also usurping that role and saying Martin was killed by a gunshot. The funeral director only fills in the cause of death on the death certificate; he does not make any medical determination.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (F60dg)

14 And the meme is that Zimmerman was released after a couple of minutes when in fact he was questioned by the cops for about 5 hours. Whatever happened, it certainly appears there is WAY more to the story than the "official" race-baiter, White House, Media Matters, MFM story. Somewhere, Breitbart is smiling.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2012 09:38 AM (Af3Wg)

15 Do they win a prize if they get absolutely everything wrong?

Posted by: Pulitzer Committee at April 02, 2012 09:38 AM (71LDo)

>>They didn't have that hear at all -- the "experts" say "Sure, we'd like to have that, but in a pinch, we can just guestimate."

If we already have pre-determined the answer, it's not guesstimating.

Posted by: Media Experts at April 02, 2012 09:38 AM (XdlcF)

17 Yeah. Something tells me the MFM is going to start phasing out this story as headline news. They've got to find some real white/conservative/Jew atrocities, and quick. Even if they have to manufacture some........oh, wait.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 09:38 AM (TRGoi)

18 Mission accomplished! As with the Fluke escapade.

The bonfire only matters in the time of intense flame. The average citizen pays no attention to the thing when the embers are dying.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at April 02, 2012 09:38 AM (PH+2B)

19 Of course, all the actual evidence will be called a cover-up and the bullshit sprayed around the airwaves by the MSM will become the "original facts."

Riots = high ratings, ya know.

Posted by: Dang at April 02, 2012 09:39 AM (BbX1b)

20 It does not matter how contrite these newsdicks act now; the important thing is to get the desired result early with lies and cover-ups, then put on the "serious journalist" hat after the public cacophony drowns out their mea culpas (see also, Baraka Obama, election of).

Forgiveness > Truth

Posted by: logprof at April 02, 2012 09:40 AM (ykSKg)

21 I'm so sick of hearing about this. If the tape showed a gash on his head then there is a gash. If the head was split, they must acquit.

Posted by: Drider at April 02, 2012 09:41 AM (HaJD9)

22 It's my understanding that is going to a Grand Jury? Is that what others have heard? If that is true, as they say, most Grand Juries would indict a ham sandwich. So evidence or no evidence that is the way I see this going. Then hopefully he will be found not guilty but we will see?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 09:41 AM (i6RpT)

23 In one of the undoctored photos, you see the wounds and were the paramedics shaved around the area.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 09:42 AM (s6QDI)

24 The media got what they wanted, this is how the game is played, attack on page 1, retract on page 50.

Posted by: booger at April 02, 2012 09:42 AM (HI6wa)

25 Hello, Delta? I'd like to book a return flight to Chicago, please. What's that? Of course it's a first class ticket, baby! Did I mention you sound like you got some big ta tas?

Posted by: Teh Rev. Jesse Jackson at April 02, 2012 09:42 AM (LEcV+)

26 His head is the grassy knoll, albeit a tad shorn.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM (IfglT)

A shit I do not give,

That racist cracker Zimmerman must not live!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM (ggRof)

28 Hey Ace (or Cob-loggers) can we get a bullet-point (I denounce myself) summary of the MFM claims that have been debunked to this point?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM (8y9MW)

29 So, what's the SCOAMT been up to lately? Looks like the MFM diversion is still working. Let's not forget the driving force behind all of this. It's called the 2012 presidential election.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 09:43 AM (TRGoi)

30 So why is the MFM going to such lengths to make him the sympathetic actor in this little drama? Did they expect we (the conservative blogosphere) would just accept their story at face value?Posted by: AllenG

Baseless charge A1.

Retraction D32.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at April 02, 2012 09:44 AM (JEpGb)

31 I wonder if Chaka khan had to pay trayvon's mom for using his name in the song....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2012 09:44 AM (Oq7br)

32 At some point, you've eaten enough skittles.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 02, 2012 09:44 AM (IfglT)

33 Just think about how they are portraying this shit. Now think back to the Iraq war, all they ever fucking showed was cars on fire, screaming civilians, and chanting Muslims. I saw that on tv every day I was there, when meanwhile I went into the towns, bought pornos and liquor off the children, ect I came home and people kept saying we were losing, and I never had to run when I was there. I never even heard of the insurgents launching a fucking offensive for god sakes. I mean they couldn't even fucking hold any steady positions or control a fucking supply line. All they could fucking do was blow up a fucking car. Our media fucking lied an convinced everyone we were losing.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 02, 2012 09:44 AM (20dsy)

34 The MSM can pull more stuff out of their asses than Andrew Sullivan does.

Posted by: Roy at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (VndSC)

35 What do we want? A direct flight! When do we want it? Now!

Posted by: Teh Rev. Jesse Jackson at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (LEcV+)

36 These retractions and walk backs won't even reach half the audience who heard the original falsehoods.

On the other hand, the national media is looking even more dishonest and agenda driven than usual. And I think people are beginning to notice.

Posted by: Warden at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (KulgD)

37 >>>It's my understanding that is going to a Grand Jury? Is that what others have heard? If that is true, as they say, most Grand Juries would indict a ham sandwich. Yes and no. I read that Corey was trying to find away to file charges without going to a GJ.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (s6QDI)

38 I wonder if the Grand Jury does find reason for an arrest, and George gets arrested, at what amount his bail/bond will be set. I wonder if they will try and keep him locked up "for his own protection".

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at April 02, 2012 09:45 AM (bj+Nc)

39 Baseless charge A1.
Retraction D32.

Yeah, but that seems to be working less and less nowdays. They make their baseless charge on A1, and that same day it's being debunked- quite often by people with a bigger audience than some of the "Big" news shows.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:46 AM (8y9MW)

40 Our media fucking lied an convinced everyone we were losing. Posted by: Mr Pink at April 02, 2012 01:44 PM (20dsy) My cousin was in Iraq for 3 tours. He was furious when he came home too.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 09:46 AM (DGIjM)

41 I used to think when all the "news" outlets pushed the same story that it was because of similar culture and social pressures etc. After reading all of the reports of news anchors and media reps meeting on a regular basis at the WH I now absolutely believe that all of this slanted coverage is directed from the top down. And I know I am not crazy; it is just freakin' obvious and there is no other reason for the way these things always play out. People in the media are just not all complete bumbling idiots.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 02, 2012 09:46 AM (WCuHB)

42 Heh, heh. "gash."

Posted by: Beavis and Butt-head at April 02, 2012 09:46 AM (kFnmp)

43 So um...has this shit gotten real yet?

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 09:47 AM (8ieXv)

44 <<You also have to love the CBS story based on the funeral director saying Martin wasn't injured (other than being shot dead).>>

As a internet CSI. What indications was the funeral director using for this analysis? Bruising and swelling? Since those tend to stop as soon as the heart does. Ignoring also the fact that none were expected in the telling of events.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2012 09:47 AM (tf9Ne)

45 Matt, Would you be willing to plant evidence on a suspect you knew to be guilty to guarantee a conviction?

Posted by: captain Dudley Smith at April 02, 2012 09:47 AM (J3gb4)

46 Ok. I had to google "chyron."

Posted by: learflyer at April 02, 2012 09:48 AM (6R4iH)

47 As Rush said.. just assume every single news story from here on out is to get Obama re elected.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 09:48 AM (DGIjM)

48 I saw Godzilla vs. Chyron. Years ago.

Posted by: Roy at April 02, 2012 09:49 AM (VndSC)

49 These analysts aren't worth much. How many of them swore up and down that Zimmerman said the word "coons" in the 911 tape when it was clear that he said "punks." And, I haven't heard any media sources correct that.

Posted by: sydney jane at April 02, 2012 09:49 AM (tnOV+)

Yes and no. I read that Corey was trying to find away to file charges without going to a GJ.

Interesting. Perhaps Ms. Corey might like to get acquainted with me.

Posted by: The 5th Amendmnent at April 02, 2012 09:49 AM (JxMoP)

51 I actually saw the undertaker guy referred to as a "medical examiner" early on.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 09:50 AM (s6QDI)

52 I saw a cleaned up version of the video abc lied about earlier and the guy has huge hashes on his head. I wonder what they teach in a journalism school anyway? I wonder if occams razor ever came up once. I mean sure, this could all be some huge conspiracy to plug african American kids transporting soda an skittles and infringing on the local soda and skittles smuggling market, or it could be exactly what the cops, the medical personnel, the videos, zimmerman, and the local da say it is. naturally, given the bona fides of sharpton, jackson, the new black panthers, farrakhan, and zero as being dignified voices of reason and not critical race theorists and race mongers it is understandable why the press wants to take their word, but your responsibility as a REPORTER requires you to investigate.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 09:50 AM (Z9EHQ)

53 If this is going to a grand jury where everything has to be done correctly and the "facts" turn out to never have happened when presented in a courtroom, the MBM has to make sure they can cover their asses. That's probably the reason for the walkbacks

That and it might not be helping their boyfriend Obama

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 09:50 AM (Y+DPZ)

54 You bitter cling-ons keep behaving as if facts are somehow relevant anymore. This is a source of amusement to me.

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at April 02, 2012 09:50 AM (Orvm4)

55 Last night on twitter we were chronicling walk backs on this story by the media.

Doesnt matter now damage done.

Secondly wouldn't it be nice if a retraction was equal to the lie? False Headline, Should expect a headline retraction, not a page 17 smashed between the obits.

15 minute segment based on a lie, 15 minute discussing how you were wrong. Again, none of this 30 seconds -quick verbal -no picture -edge of a segment -months afterwards outright fraudshit like they do now.

Posted by: Shiggz RocketSurgeon at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (RfvTE)

56 I actually saw the undertaker guy referred to as a "medical examiner" early on

He plays doctor with the young clients.

Posted by: Beto at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (lpWVn)

57 Ignoring also the fact that none were expected in the telling of events.

Yet another thing that makes me mad, here. They keep telling it like Zimmerman was beating on Trayvon, and then decided to shoot him- when Zimmerman (who has not, to my knowledge, been contradicted by any evidence- and therefore deserves the benefit of the doubt) never said anything like that: he said he got hit once, in the nose, and then Trayvon jumped on him and started beating his head into the pavement.

And people who haven't investigated closely can be forgiven their ignorance- they probably assume that Z's first action in defense was to hit back (which would lead to bruising, until you think about some other things). But the media- who are self-appointed "experts" on everything, and have been investigating this cannot be so forgiven. The only explanation left for them is that they are (and have been) purposefully misreporting.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (8y9MW)

I will say it again. They are supporting a narrative.

They keep pouring gasoline on the fire with false and misleading "facts" and "news." They hope for a blow up and a few riots. Then everyone will be glued to their TV sets to see what happens, "If it bleeds it leads!"

Their audiences will go up, except for those that are being beaten, shot, raped and robbed in the riots that they are fanning the flames for.

Think of all the follow up stories on the suffering that a few riots will create. Burnt out neighborhoods, funerals and vigils for the dead, wiped out businesses, and grieving families.

WIN-WIN!
.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (9sUlj)

59 So um...has this shit gotten real yet?Posted by: dananjcon

SHIT STATUS: TEPID, POSSIBLY MEDIOCRE. EMERGENCY WORKERS ARE ADVISED TO STAY FROSTY JUST THE SAME.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (JEpGb)

And all of us need to remember also that this was never about Travy or Zimmerman at all, except perhaps as dramatic cameo appearances. This was about "social justice". Nothing more.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 09:51 AM (TRGoi)

61 53 I actually saw the undertaker guy referred to as a "medical examiner" early on. Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 01:50 PM (s6QDI) well under zerocare he is referred to as a general practitioner.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 09:52 AM (Z9EHQ)

62 So... if the election was held today... Obama in a landslide?

Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2012 09:52 AM (I2LwF)

63 Incidentally, he also Tweeted the headline: Bloggers Cherry-Pick From Social Media to Cast Trayvon Martin as a Menace. In other words, they plucked out the stuff that suggested criminality or bad behavior, and ignored stuff like "thank you for wishing me a happy birthday."

It's like they want a perverted version of one of those Tweets From The 1940s:
Noted dog lover Adolph Hitler was killed in his wine cellar this evening.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2012 09:53 AM (T0NGe)

Still wondering why someone who intended to commit murder / hate crime, would call 911 prior to doing so.

Seems odd to me. Seems like a question a reporter might want answered.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at April 02, 2012 09:53 AM (C2//T)

65 I do not know how complicit the family of whatshisname is in all of this, maybe up to their eyes, maybe only peripherally, but those race mongers could only do worse damage by dragging the body through the streets of sanford.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 09:54 AM (Z9EHQ)

66 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2012 09:54 AM (7W3wI)

67 The expert is one of those professional courtroom witnesses with a certification granted by an institute he runs out of the same address that also hosts a weight watchers and several other "professional certification" boards. For a fee and free travel, he'll gladly come and testify to whatever you need him to testify to.

Posted by: f2000 at April 02, 2012 09:54 AM (c7Pp2)

68 but those race mongers could only do worse damage by dragging the body through the streets of sanford.

We're working on that...

Al/Jesse

Posted by: Justice Brothers, Inc. at April 02, 2012 09:55 AM (8y9MW)

69 Rolodex experts, as criminal trials have shown, can muddy the waters just as much as they are supposed to clear things up.

And you have a greater chance of winning the lottery than Al Sharpton ever admitting he said anything hateful, inflammatory, false, or all the above.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 09:55 AM (5VSxT)

70 Our media fucking lied an convinced everyone we were losing [Iraq].

Iraq was a complicated place, as I recall, with a lot of separate feuds going on in separate places:
- Kurdistan was always semi-pacified, semi-free, and semi-secular.
- Basra was quiet because the Brits (cravenly) let the Shi'ite militias own it.
- Ethnic cleansings happened all over Iraq, but once the Sunnis had their place over *here* and the Shi'ites had their place over *there*, things got quieter.
- Things almost got really ugly after the Samarra mosque bombing, but the Surge and, maybe more so, the Anbar Sahawat cleared al-Q out of Iraq - and proved to the shi'a that the *local* Sunnis weren't to blame for that sacrilege.

So I don't know if the media lied, as such. There were some dark days in Iraq, especially after the Samarra event. Otherwise Bush would have pulled out troops, instead of pushing in more troops for the Surge.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 09:55 AM (QTHTd)

71 I haven't watched a network news program in twenty years - I haven't missed anything.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 02, 2012 09:56 AM (AGxA0)

I have figured out a sure-fire way to tell when the newspaper you are reading is full of lies.

Look carefully at the pages. Are some of them covered with columns of text instead of advertising? Do those columns of text have larger-font text at the top of them? If so, your newspaper is full of lies.

Tommorrow we will cover how to tell when the talking head on TV is lying to you.

Posted by: sherlock at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (BaQuW)

73 YOUR MOUTH Was ignored in favor of your ass.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (XBdI0)

If Zimmerman lives long enough....we may eventually see the whole story being revealed in the media.

What if......Spike Lee's tweet had been for the 'right address' and Zimmerman was in the morgue right now?

What if......Someone had already cashed in on that Black Panther's "dead or alive" bounty on Zimmerman's head?

The alphabet media seems to be in full out CYA mode right now. ...But the damage has already been done. Zimmerman will never get his life back to normal.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (+5U+B)

75 but those race mongers could only do worse damage by dragging the body through the streets of sanford.

They could haul a coffin thru the streets, like the Philistinians do whenever one of their terrorists get all splodey-like. Have to hold their guns in the air though.

Posted by: Roy at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (VndSC)

76 I am sure the breitbart site guys are cataloging everything. I do not understand how there is not one sane person in the management in these big stations to point out that the perception of objectivity is essential to their financial success and their ability to successfully disseminate propaganda. once they show themselves to be frontmen for the liberals they will have neutered themselves.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 09:57 AM (Z9EHQ)

77 Islam invented Rocket Science!

Posted by: The New NASA Meme at April 02, 2012 09:58 AM (tRmgu)

The expert is one of those professional courtroom witnesses

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A courtroom expert is a person who wanted to be a lawyer but either couldn't afford law school or flunked out when or if he got in.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (TRGoi)

79 Wunderkind Gerry hardest hit.

Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (MMC8r)

I do not know how complicit the family of whatshisname is in all of this, maybe up to their eyes, maybe only peripherally, but those race mongers could only do worse damage by dragging the body through the streets of sanford.

They are this month's Cindy Sheehan; useful idiots who will be discarded the instant they no longer provide value to the cause.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (JxMoP)

81 Is it more correct to say al sharpton is the gloria alred of race mongers or gloria alred is the al sharpton of general grievance lawyers?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (Z9EHQ)

82 A courtroom expert is a person who wanted to be a lawyer but either couldn't afford law school or flunked out when or if he got in.

Now you sound like AmishDude.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (8y9MW)

83 One of the "experts" making claims about the scream in the call just happens to be accredited by the ABRE. Which, he's the Chair Emeritus of. And his daughter is still on the board. And happens to own the company that sells the software he used to make his "analysis" and which has been on the market for less than a month.

Posted by: xbradtc at April 02, 2012 09:59 AM (yVIqn)

84 The MBM knows that the visuals can set the narrative in the minds of news consumers

"How can that nice sweet looking choir boy in the picture have been any kind of threat to that menacing looking thug with the orange shirt"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:00 AM (Y+DPZ)

85 The media are insane.

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2012 10:00 AM (DQHjw)

86 as to the funeral director, why would he have even checked for bruising, etc on the knuckles? at the time he prepared the body this hadnt exploded on the national stage. he would hve no reason to look at anything. just gut and embalm and bury.

Posted by: chas at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (TKF1Y)

87 Is there anything the media has right in this story?

Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (MMC8r)

88 The media are ~~insane~~ rabid.

FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (8y9MW)

89 Still wondering why someone who intended to commit murder / hate crime, would call 911 prior to doing so.

Seems odd to me. Seems like a question a reporter might want answered.

Give it a couple of days. NBC is working with forensic audio engineers to enhance the recording so we can hear the 911 dispatcher whispering the subliminal message "SHOOT THE DARKIE".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (SY2Kh)

90 Florida is absolutely critical for the SCOAMF's reelection strategy. This was ginned up to get a big turnout in the Fl. metro counties and the rest of the country. If Obie loses Florida he must win every swing state to make up the difference.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (OBDWE)

91 Tommy Christopher won't be pleased to read this.

Posted by: Ben at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (UnSuC)

92 47 Ok. I had to google "chyron."

Posted by: learflyer at April 02, 2012 01:48 PM (6R4iH)

The Chyron are space aliens sent here to farm our natural recources, plunder our villages and rape our wimmins. AKA Fookin SCANDIS!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 10:01 AM (8ieXv)

93 Is there anything the media has right in this story?

The names of the involved parties. Maybe.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:02 AM (8y9MW)

Here's the thing- I'd kind of like not to be rooting for the guy who just killed an apparently unarmed teenager. In my normal world-view "guy who killed unarmed teenager" is not supposed to be the sympathetic one.

Precisely. Here's the thing, why can't this just be a tragedy. There's a dead teenager and a guy who has to live the rest of his life knowing that he killed someone else. Why must it be An Important Teaching Moment?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:02 AM (VtjlW)

New headline:"Reporters who fabricated youth shooting story all fired and

banned from working in media." For sure this Matt Gutman zoober.

Posted by: Your Wise Uncle Rick at April 02, 2012 10:02 AM (78zVP)

96 ""We stepped into this case Thursday night," Corey told The Times. "We're asking -- we're begging people -- just give us a chance." In a sign of how feverishly her team is working on the case, Corey said her probe could possibly result in state charges that bypass the need for the Seminole County Grand Jury, which is slated to convene April 10 to hear the case." http://goo.gl/7ca1r

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 10:02 AM (s6QDI)

97 Is there anything the media has right ~~in this~~ on any story?

Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 02:01 PM (MMC8r)

FIFY.

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2012 10:02 AM (X6akg)

98 10 Here's the thing- I'd kind of like not to be rooting for the guy who just killed an apparently unarmed teenager. --------- Well, then, don't. This is America; we have freedom of rooting here.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 02, 2012 10:03 AM (xGZ+b)

99 The best course of action is to arrest, try, convict and execute George Zimmerman in a very public trial. Watch as evidence is created and real evidence is swept aside. See Blacks dancing in the street and handing out sweets celebrating the death of a white man for killing a black man. Then what's the big story? Innocent man executed by fake media supported evidence. Blacks overjoyed with results even though now proved false. Obama loses one vote grabbing event. I never trust the news not about any item they print or show not even about the weather, climate or God.

Posted by: HEP-T at April 02, 2012 10:03 AM (0tS3h)

100 I'll start being objective and fair once Zimmerman stops kicking.

Posted by: MSM Hangman at April 02, 2012 10:04 AM (ETgqz)

101 Well, then, don't. This is America; we have freedom of rooting here.

Yeah, but I'm positively allergic to rooting against someone getting railroaded.

It kind of sucks, in this instance.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:04 AM (8y9MW)

102 The President of Mexico is at the White House now and speaking. I wonder if he cares about that White Hispanic?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 10:04 AM (i6RpT)

103 Corey said her probe could possibly result in state charges that bypass the need for the Seminole County Grand Jury Kafka smiles.

Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 10:05 AM (MMC8r)

104 as to the funeral director, why would he have even checked for bruising, etc on the knuckles? at the time he prepared the body this hadnt exploded on the national stage. he would hve no reason to look at anything. just gut and embalm and bury.

Posted by: chas at April 02, 2012 02:01 PM (TKF1Y)

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Good point......except they don't gut the body to embalm it.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:05 AM (TRGoi)

105 103 10 Here's the thing- I'd kind of like not to be rooting for the guy who just killed an apparently unarmed teenager.

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Well, then, don't. This is America; we have freedom of rooting here.

I'm not rooting for or against Zimmerman. I am in favor of pointing out that the news media and democrats are not "reporting" news as purposefully NOT reporting news and purposefully inflaming racial division, for their own purpose.

I am against declaring this the crime of the century or a "racial hate crime" without any evidence and am against the rush to judgment against Zimmerman - who may or may not have acted in self-defense.

I fully expect the matter to be properly investigated and charges brought against Zimmerman if warranted.

but the media / liberal circus, that is (as always) pushing the racial grievance / racial division train, has to be combated.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at April 02, 2012 10:06 AM (sOx93)

106 Corey said her probe could possibly result in state charges that bypass the need for the Seminole County Grand Jury

Due Process is only for those who are not victims of the Narrative.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:06 AM (8y9MW)

107 Take heart, white hispanics everywhere.

Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at April 02, 2012 10:06 AM (cYMja)

108 >>> A courtroom expert is a person who wanted to be a lawyer but either
couldn't afford law school or flunked out when or if he got in.

Now you sound like AmishDude.

Hell no. That's not true at all.

I don't think anyone has ever flunked out of law school.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2012 10:07 AM (T0NGe)

109 It's not presented as a retraction. Guess that would be too honest. No, their big "exclusive" is that their previous exclusive was wrong. Except they don't even mention that previous exclusive.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at April 02, 2012 10:07 AM (X3KAb)

110 US draws up plans for nuclear drones Technology is designed to increase flying time 'from days to months', along with power available for weapons systems Gee I can't think of a worse idea. Oh yeah that idea 50 years ago for a nuclear bomber was about on par with this. They were gonna use old pilots since the radiation was gonna make their balls fall off. See we can send a drone with a nuke over Iran and then they can steal both the drone and the nuke at the same time.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 10:07 AM (i6RpT)

111 I do not think the race mongers understand that this is the age of the internets. I like to think that hillary's "tuzla dash" story was a significant event in the history of news. Before the internets hillary would have been able to make her claim about doing the tuzla dash and even if there was griping and disagreement on the periphery there was nothing that would come from it since no one would have video of the event or be able to disseminate it widely. However, the internets had reached a point where it was possible to to so with her tuzla dash story. It has been a long road but now the same thing is happening with greater speed and wider dissemination. And this time instead of pushing back against a single candidate the internets are succeeding in pushing back against nearly the entirety of the mfm. The internets, kept the story going, refused to accept the narrative, and even promoted the discovery of new evidence / analysis. We are not there yet but the mfm is in decline and the conservative internets are coming along quickly.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:08 AM (Z9EHQ)

112 I don't think anyone has ever flunked out of law school.

My apologies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:08 AM (8y9MW)

113 So I don't know if the media lied, as such. There were some dark days in Iraq, especially after the Samarra event. Otherwise Bush would have pulled out troops, instead of pushing in more troops for the Surge." Dude people thought we were losing. They couldn't attack a base, they could not force us to retreat from anywhere we held. Can you name one fucking "offensive" they even mounted? You know like Vietnam they had the Tet offensive. I'll wait while you remember, oh that's right there weren't any. They could blow up a car, they could improvise explosives, they could disrupt supply lines. They never once forced US troops to retreat. And people fucking thought we were losing.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 02, 2012 10:08 AM (20dsy)

114 >>>This was about "social justice". You have no idea how much I hate that phony phrase. The fact that churches are now repeating this meme makes me want to puke. It is communism - you remember? They are the ones who would shoot every nun, priest, brother, etc.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 10:08 AM (s6QDI)

115 If this were a trial, the MBM would report on only the direct examination of a witness and ignore cross examination

Example: WITNESS SAW ZIMMERMAN ON TOP OF MARTIN WHEN GUNSHOT OCCURRED

At the bottom of the article: "when cross examined by Zimmerman's attorney, the witness admitted he was in the bathroom at the time and was just hoping to get on TV so he could get a reality show. He stepped down from the witness stand looking like an idiot"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:09 AM (Y+DPZ)

116

98....Here's the thing, why can't this just be a tragedy. There's a dead teenager and a guy who has to live the rest of his life knowing that he killed someone else. Why must it be An Important Teaching Moment?

Never let a tragedy go to waste.

This one is a two-fer. .....(1)Team Barky needed some way to establish that 'racist still exists' in order to support his obsession with Bell's Critical Race Theory. ....and (2) Gun Control..... they hate that people are allowed to have personal firearms to protect themselves with, and want to get rid of them.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:09 AM (+5U+B)

117

Corey said her probe could possibly result in state charges that bypass the need for the Seminole County Grand Jury

Again, I'd be interested to see how she thinks she can get around the US Consitution. I know it's all the rage these days, but there are still some places that actually care about the rule of law and stuff, and I suspect that a clear bright line such as:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury

doesn't really have much wiggle room for emanations and penumbra and other bovine excerement.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2012 10:09 AM (JxMoP)

118 When does the movie come out?

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 10:09 AM (4q5tP)

119 124...*that 'racism still exists'

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:10 AM (+5U+B)

120 Some woman just on Rush kept calling Trayvon "That little boy" and then she reported that 1. The Police department there has a long record of killing and 2. He was left in the morgue 3 days before they notified his parents. His parents had even called the morgue and were told no, they didn't have him.

Seriously, these people are getting a whole make-believe world.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:10 AM (CMM9V)

121 The race-baiters want "an arrest." That's how it stays alive. No arrest, it all dies fairly soon. But, an arrest and then a trial, gives them months of publicity. And then the reace-baiters hope for acquittal. That's when the riots start.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 02, 2012 10:10 AM (Usk3+)

122 Blood Libel. Its what the Left Wing Media has for breakfast.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (n7UEi)

123 >>See we can send a drone with a nuke over Iran

The "nuclear" is the power system, not the weapons. Like submarines.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (ZKzrr)

124

whether or not Zimmerman did anything wrong he is going to jail for this IMO. The mob has spoken and the politicians will make sure he is arressted and there is no way he is going to find a jury that is going to go against the lynch mob.

There is no possibility of real justice in this case now, might as well hang him.

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (MtwBb)

125 Never mind.

Posted by: Emily Litella, ABC News Producer at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (tRmgu)

126 And the relevant backlash that they have incited and always seem to ignore when it's against the "right" people, what of that? They know what will happen when they do this, yet they do it anyway, lie to the viewers to foment anger and hatred. And people really do get hurt and killed over these lies. These f*kers are at least ambivalent to the human risk of this, and at worst are deliberately causing it. They are cold blooded killers who don't mind the murder and mayhem as long as it helps their cause. My well of deep seething hatred for the media just had another 100ft of depth added to it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (0q2P7)

127 And if Martin caved Zimmeran's head in - no story....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (136wp)

128 Hell no. That's not true at all.

I don't think anyone has ever flunked out of law school.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2012 02:07 PM (T0NGe)

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Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (TRGoi)

129 (Here's the thing- I'd kind of like not to be rooting for the guy who just killed an apparently unarmed teenager. In my normal world-view "guy who killed unarmed teenager" is not supposed to be the sympathetic one) When I was 17 and a minor I was also a United States Marine. I was a teenager who even unarmed was considered deadly using just bare hands or weapons of chance. The columbine massacres were engineered by teenagers, The folks who shot up the funeral home in Fla. were most likely teenagers, the ones who killed the little girl with a gang fight were teenagers. The fact that teryvon was a 17 year old defenseless unarmed teenager does not actually make him helpless or less deadly. Especially if he strikes when his older victim has turned his back on him and walked away.

Posted by: HEP-T at April 02, 2012 10:11 AM (0tS3h)

130

The police report, or a portion of it was released last week. Last Friday, a local radio talk-show host read part of it on the air. In that report, the officer on the scene clearly states that Zimmerman was TREATED AT THE SCENE, by medics, for wounds to his head and face. Funny how the national media couldnÂ’t put 2 and 2 together to figure out why the video tape they saw of Zimmerman arriving at the police station didnÂ’t show a blood-covered man.

Posted by: EyeTest at April 02, 2012 10:12 AM (ReC4P)

131 I swear to God I hear someone masturbating ...

Posted by: suicidal Santorum supporter [/i] at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM (JEpGb)

132 91 Is there anything the media has right in this story? Posted by: nickless at April 02, 2012 02:01 PM

Well, it did happen in Florida

Posted by: MBM Ombudsmen at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM (Y+DPZ)

133 33 Just think about how they are portraying this shit. Now think back to the Iraq war, all they ever fucking showed was cars on fire, screaming civilians, and chanting Muslims. I saw that on tv every day I was there, when meanwhile I went into the towns, bought pornos and liquor off the children, ect I came home and people kept saying we were losing, and I never had to run when I was there. I never even heard of the insurgents launching a fucking offensive for god sakes. I mean they couldn't even fucking hold any steady positions or control a fucking supply line. All they could fucking do was blow up a fucking car. Our media fucking lied an convinced everyone we were losing. Posted by: Mr Pink at April 02, 2012 01:44 PM (20dsy) ************* It goes to their psychological markup. the press are simply *watchers*. They never really accomplish things. They also fancy themselves heroes of the little guy and the helpless. Their is actually a whole psych inventory on the journalist personality. What it all boils down to is there is no other person that they hate more than-- a member of the military. And for some reason-due to their --hell let's call it psychosis-- there is no entity the media is more politically motivated to lie about than the US military. It's ironic how "Hollywood Heroes" will readily acknowledge that they are lied about in the media but they always 100% believe everything the media tells them a bout the military and the war where the pay-off and motivations to lie about that are all the greater. And where non one can really double check what the media tells the US citizens about what is going on over there--but--the military who the press is lying about. *If* the press is so willing to do this trail by public opinion to George Zimmerman--- George Zimmerman an average citizen then think of the monstrosity of distortion this damn Liberal media has perpetrated on the US military- The Trial of George Zimmerman to the tenth degree.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM (r2PLg)

134 132 >>See we can send a drone with a nuke over Iran

The "nuclear" is the power system, not the weapons. Like submarines. ------- Probably more like a deep space probe; a thermocouple attached to some nice warm plutonium instead of a full-up reactor like you'd have in a sub.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM (FzhYM)

135 I agree that it is peculiar to have to be going to the wall for a guy that shot the whatshisname. It is one of the peculiar problems arising from arguing with liberals. all we are doing is arguing for logic, reason, and due process. you may not enjoy the position but it is necessary to preserve the country. it is the same problem I had when I had to defend "MAD" befoer the sovs imploded. no one desires to have the threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over them but it is far preferable to untlateral disarmament, imho.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:13 AM (Z9EHQ)

136 "It is clear to me from his injuries that Mr. Zimmerman is quite adept at pistol-whipping himself."

Posted by: MSM Hand-picked Medical Examiner Expert at April 02, 2012 10:14 AM (ETgqz)

137 whether or not Zimmerman did anything wrong he is going to jail for this IMO. The mob has spoken and the politicians will make sure he is arressted and there is no way he is going to find a jury that is going to go against the lynch mob.

There is no possibility of real justice in this case now, might as well hang him.

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2012 02:11 PM (MtwBb)

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And if it can happen to Zimmerman..................

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:14 AM (TRGoi)

138 If Zimmerman would have never applied for a drivers license and bought a car, none of this would have happened.

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2012 10:14 AM (kg7Iv)

139 They didn't have that hear at all

Effin' Homonyms! How do they work?!?

Posted by: Insane Language Posse at April 02, 2012 10:14 AM (GTbGH)

140 Posted by: HEP-T at April 02, 2012 02:11 PM (0tS3h)

I know that- and that's kind of my point. I like to think that innocence (I know it doesn't, but leave me my delusions) extends at least for the first 18 years of life. In the normal course of events, "dude who shoots teenager" is not a sympathetic figure to me. Not that he's necessarily a badguy, either: I was originally on the "horrible tragedy" bus on this. I thought it was terrible for all involved.

But the more the MFM pushes the "gunned down" meme, the more I have to point out where they're telling obvious lies. That makes me look more deeply into the case, which makes me more and more aware that George Zimmerman really probably is the sympathetic actor in this tragedy.

I don't take lightly to my delusion being shown for what it is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:15 AM (8y9MW)

141 Ghost of Lee Atwater: I'm not familiar with Florida criminal procedure. However, not all states use a GJ. CA has a hearing in front of a judge and the investigating officer is allowed to give hearsay evidence so long as he has personally verified the statements.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 10:15 AM (s6QDI)

142 Hate to see an innocent guy railroaded by the media but if he goes to jail that 's one less Obama voter in Florida.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:16 AM (CMM9V)

143 >See we can send a drone with a nuke over Iran The "nuclear" is the power system, not the weapons. Like submarines. ------- Ooops your right, only the power for the drone. I guess I should read the articles first ha? My bad. sorry

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 10:16 AM (i6RpT)

144 and ignored stuff like "thank you for wishing me a happy birthday."

There was a NO_LIMIT_NASTYNASTYNASTYWORD tweet:

"High props for that birthday blowjob, you mangy ho."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 02, 2012 10:16 AM (X3lox)

145

And then the reace-baiters hope for acquittal.

Exactly. Sharpton, Jackson, the NBPP, and all the others in the racial grievance industry would much rather have an acquittal. A conviction doesn't keep the fires stoked. An arrest followed by a no bill would be almost as good.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2012 10:17 AM (JxMoP)

146 126 When does the movie come out? Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 02:09 PM

I'll have it on Law + Order, The Movie

Zimmerman shoots him in cold blood, but WAIT, there's a twist. He was paid to gun down Trayvon by a secretive vigilante Christian group funded by old white bald hedge fund CEOs!

Posted by: Dick Wolf at April 02, 2012 10:17 AM (Y+DPZ)

147 116 US draws up plans for nuclear drones
Technology is designed to increase flying time 'from days to months', along with power available for weapons systems
Gee I can't think of a worse idea. Oh yeah that idea 50 years ago for a nuclear bomber was about on par with this. They were gonna use old pilots since the radiation was gonna make their balls fall off. See we can send a drone with a nuke over Iran and then they can steal both the drone and the nuke at the same time.
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 02:07 PM (i6RpT)

Look up Operation Chrome Dome. B-52s with nuclear bombs aloft 24/7. After a crash or two with live nukes, SAC did away with the idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:17 AM (5VSxT)

148 - Deceptive photo editing to make accused look like a criminal: check - Deceptive photo, depicting dead kid as far younger and more clean cut than present information suggests: check - Protrayal of a Hispanic Democrat as a "White Hispanic" with Conservative leanings: check - Tie in "hate speech" from Republicans who have no association whatsoever with the incident (Rush, Santorum, Romney, etc): check - Ignore/ spin/ bury actual hate speech, threats, calls for and reward offers for lynching/murder, incitement of riots, etc. from "community leaders" and "community groups": check - Ignore actual riots, looting, and violence directly associated with "peaceful demonstrators" of the incident: check - Deceptive editing of audio evidence ("he looks suspicious....he's black", MSNBC): check - Deceptive presentation of audio evidence ("Doesn't this sound like he said "coon"?, CNN): check - Produce "conversation on race" pieces/ specials that claim to be related to the incident, in spite of all evidence to the contrary: check The list goes on and on. What will it take to get rid of the MFM once and for all? Shit like this used to be confined to tabloids, Jerry Springer, and Nancy Grace. Now jackasses win journalism awards for it.

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (A2+pr)

149 US draws up plans for nuclear drones

Great, we can "crash land" one in Iran again.

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

150 Nuclear powered drones? SAC tried that also with a nuclear powered bomber. Never got beyond the design stage.

For a President who is trying to give away all of our nuclear weapons. Is he perhaps the love child of Dr. Strangelove?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (5VSxT)

151 nevergiveup 116: Yup I recall the recoilless rifle nuclear delivery system called the Davy Crockett. The impact area destruction CEP was larger than the ability for the RR crew to escape the effects.

Posted by: HEP-T at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (0tS3h)

152 153 Hate to see an innocent guy railroaded by the media but if he goes to jail that 's one less Obama voter in Florida ---------------------------------------- C'mon now. This is Obama we are talking about. Zimmerman gets a mail-in ballot with his prison-issue clothing.

Posted by: Not So Fast at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (ETgqz)

153 159 Actually it was the fact that better sensors gave us more confidence we wouldn't be surprised on the ground.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (7W3wI)

154 130 The race-baiters want "an arrest." That's how it stays alive. No arrest, it all dies fairly soon. But, an arrest and then a trial, gives them months of publicity. And then the reace-baiters hope for acquittal. That's when the riots start. Posted by: Meremortal at April 02, 2012 02:10 PM (Usk3+) Interestingly, they are calling for and "arrest" not a conviction. It could be a result of the fact that arrest is shorter and has fewer syllables, but I think the deliberately chose to agitate for an arrest. An arrest is something that is easier to achieve and requires less time and effort. I think they know this is a loser, they want to define the conditions for success, achieve them, declare "winning", and go home. if the case is what we think it is there is no money to be had here. parents do note seem to have deep enough pockets, cops are not going to pay, nothing to gain may as well go home.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:19 AM (Z9EHQ)

155 Ace;

Every time the MBM has to walk back a claim, Tommy Christopher stops fapping

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:20 AM (Y+DPZ)

156 The President of Mexico is at the White House now and speaking. I wonder if he cares about that White Hispanic?

Since Zimmerman's "hispanic" half was Peruana, Mexicans might not care. Same way that I, as a Brit, don't much care about the Greeks

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 10:20 AM (QTHTd)

157 The "drone" wont have a reactor,probably a nuclear battery.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2012 10:20 AM (7W3wI)

158 In Texas you can blast two unarmed guys coming out of your neighbors home carrying a TV that is not theirs. Zimmerman should have planted a TV on Martin before the police got there.

Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2012 10:21 AM (kg7Iv)

159

Doctors are licensed. CPAs are licensed. Insurance agents are licensed. Stockbrokers are licensed. Legit massage therapists are licensed. Hell, even barbers and hairdressers are licensed.

So why not reporters, analysts, commentators? Yank their license for such malfeasance.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 10:21 AM (4q5tP)

160 164 153 Hate to see an innocent guy railroaded by the media but if he goes to jail that 's one less Obama voter in Florida
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C'mon now. This is Obama we are talking about.

Zimmerman gets a mail-in ballot with his prison-issue clothing. Posted by: Not So Fast at April 02, 2012 02:19 PM

If some Trayvon fanboy kills Zimmerman, that's a sure way GZ will be voting for Obama

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:21 AM (Y+DPZ)

161 There is no possibility of real justice in this case now, might as well hang him.

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2012 02:11 PM (MtwBb)

GZ should take up residence in France. Hell, it worked for Roman Polanski...

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 02, 2012 10:22 AM (RSqz2)

162 ^There^ is actually a whole psych inventory on the journalist personality. ^&% I hate when I do that.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:23 AM (r2PLg)

163 John does NOT claim to have seen the whole struggle. He claims to have seen the hoodie wearer on top of the dude in the red shirt, backing Zim's claims. He explicitly says he heard but did not see the shooting. Let's keep with the facts.

Posted by: megapotamus at April 02, 2012 10:23 AM (5VZbf)

164 >>> ...it is relevant that he seems to enjoyed pot and maybe some burglary too. Don't forget that it also appears that he enjoyed assault (on bus drivers)and vandalism as well. But none of that is relevant. Let's focus on his hoodie and Skittles.

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (A2+pr)

165 Look up Operation Chrome Dome. B-52s with nuclear bombs aloft 24/7. After a crash or two with live nukes, SAC did away with the idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 02:17 PM (5VSxT)

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So they said.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (TRGoi)

166 I read the mother saying that he laid three days in the morgue unidentified and labeled a john doe. The police contacted the father the next day and informed him his son was dead. Martin was orginally labeled as a john doe, transferred to the morgue,had an autopsy performed, and his body was released 3 days later for burial. Though I can understand the mother was grieving, this is what she said a month later. You can not take what either parent has said to the press at face value. Also, I still don't believe there was a younger brother at home that Martin went out to buy candy for. That is just BS. From what I can tell, his father left him at his gf's alone and went out.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (s6QDI)

167 Who is the "special prosecutor"? Has anyone Googled her up and her politics? ----------------------------------------- Corey is a tough-as-nails prosecutor out of Jacksonville known for wanting to throw the book at juvenile offenders. Before heading down to Sanford she was asked about the possible repercussions of not charging Zimmerman with anything. She responded by saying that she doesn't decide cases by "possible repercussions". I had hope for her, but if she's trying to end-run a grand jury then I was wrong about her.

Posted by: Killjoy at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (ETgqz)

168

Had to share this email with you:

The City of Alexandria will host the 19th Annual Alexandria Earth Day and Arbor Day celebration... This yearÂ’s theme is "Eco-City AlexandriaÂ” highlighted by the 2nd Annual Trashion Fashion Show which will feature students from the Alexandria City Public Schools showing their upcycling creations by modeling fashions created by them from recycled materials; as well as songs and art.

Alexandria Earth Day is based on the need to promote education and lead us all to a green and sustainable future, in keeping with the goals of the Eco-City Alexandria Initiative. In addition, the Alexandria Earth Day Committee has committed to making this event a zero-waste and carbon neutral. For additional information on Alexandria Earth Day and both the Green Building Workshops and the Spring Tree Sale, visit....

(They are also selling trees but they want you to take public transportation, walk or bike...)

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (CMM9V)

169 US draws up plans for nuclear drones

What, no algae?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (w/anX)

170 Effin' Homonyms! How do they work?!?

Homonyms are federally protected.
Like race, color, creed.
Also the constitutional right to lycopene in werewolves.

Posted by: jwb7605 at April 02, 2012 10:24 AM (Qxe/p)

171 Id did not follow the drudge link but the drone story is a couple of days old. it never even got beyond the proposal stage. the nuclear bomber was a pretty interesting idea except its engine passe air directly over the radioactive material and blew radioactive particle out the exhaust. I think there was also a nuclear rocket idea - never went beyond early non-nuclear testing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:25 AM (Z9EHQ)

172 He explicitly says he heard but did not see the shooting.

I don't know if it's "John" or not, but I do know there was at least one witness saying that: that he'd seen dude-in-hoodie on top of dude-in-orange (or red, or whatever color), and had turned to call 911: then heard the gun shot before he could get back to the window.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:25 AM (8y9MW)

173 174...tasker...how did you get an ampersand? I thought Pixy had outlawed those.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:25 AM (+5U+B)

174 If you see a kid who looks like the choir boy Trayvon walking down the street, you don't pay him much mind

If you see the tattooed, hoodied, and grilled Trayvon walking down the street, who doesn't lock their car doors or cross the street

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:25 AM (Y+DPZ)

175 Rocket science? We can do that in post prod edit. You're welcome.

Posted by: MSM at April 02, 2012 10:26 AM (AWmfW)

176 showing their upcycling creations by modeling fashions created by them from recycled materials; as well as songs and art.

Recycled songs? Like "Ob-La-Di" into Offspring's "Get a Job"?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (w/anX)

177 172 164
153 Hate to see an innocent guy railroaded by the media but if he goes to jail that 's one less Obama voter in Florida

----------------------------------------

C'mon now. This is Obama we are talking about.

Zimmerman gets a mail-in ballot with his prison-issue clothing.

Posted by: Not So Fast at April 02, 2012 02:19 PM

If some Trayvon fanboy kills Zimmerman, that's a sure way GZ will be voting for Obama

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 02:21 PM (Y+DPZ)

Damn, I forgot all about Plans B and C and D

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (CMM9V)

178 (They are also selling trees but they want you to take public transportation, walk or bike...)

If I could arrange it (and I was in the area, of course) my wife and I would take separate vehicles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (8y9MW)

179

171

Licenses for reporters? BAD idea.

The only licenses that get pulled will be FOX news and Breitbart. The MFM will even applaud that.

And we are one step closer to Stalinist Truth or Orwell's 1984.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (9sUlj)

180 They didn't have that hear at all -- the "experts" say "Sure, we'd like to have that, but in a pinch, we can just guestimate." ****** Sh*t I see Ace has the same problem--but did he go to a Japanese preschool and then a French kindergarden? Je Dit Neyt!

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (r2PLg)

181 A nuclear armed B-52 crashed in Greenland. Another went down in the Atlantic near Rota Spain. Then there are the rumors of a B-47 that lost a nuclear bomb off Charlston, SC.

SAC had good reason to revert to merely posturing all of its birds on alert and not flying around around.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:27 AM (5VSxT)

182 >>Probably more like a deep space probe; a thermocouple attached to some nice warm plutonium

Sweet. I need to learn how these things work; I'm mostly a bit-pusher.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 02, 2012 10:28 AM (ZKzrr)

183 (They are also selling trees but they want you to take public transportation, walk or bike...)
Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 02:24 PM

Just like the Alexandria mayor and city council will, you can be sure. Well, at least long enough for photo ops

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:28 AM (Y+DPZ)

184 If you see the tattooed, hoodied, and grilled Trayvon walking down the street, who doesn't lock their car doors or cross the street The armed, unless looking for cover and concealment.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 10:28 AM (WkuV6)

185 153 Hate to see an innocent guy railroaded by the media but if he goes to jail that 's one less Obama voter in Florida Someone tweeted this weekend "Zimmerman, just come out and say you voted for Obama and this whole thing goes away"

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 10:28 AM (DGIjM)

186 You still lock the door, even with choir boy coming. The crime rate of youthful blacks is just too darn high to do otherwise. All sorts of shooters look like choirboys.

Posted by: ejo at April 02, 2012 10:28 AM (xO2u7)

187 174...tasker...how did you get an ampersand? I thought Pixy had outlawed those. Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 02:25 PM (+5U+B) **** Wait..where did I get an ampersand? (Turns to look on ass..)

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:29 AM (r2PLg)

188 Black female called Rush Limbaugh to "educate' him on the Trayvon Martin case. She kept referring to Trayvon as "that little boy". Well done, MSM, well done.

Posted by: Killjoy at April 02, 2012 10:30 AM (ETgqz)

189 <<A nuclear armed B-52 crashed in Greenland. Another went down in the Atlantic near Rota Spain. Then there are the rumors of a B-47 that lost a nuclear bomb off Charlston, SC.>>

As an EOD techie in the Nav in the late 60's, I was able to read the complete report of the Spanish incident.

Interesting.

Lots of Spanish soil buried out in the South Western desert.

Posted by: minuteman (formerly trainer) until Juggy is gone at April 02, 2012 10:30 AM (Rojyk)

190 Oh I see it I got it in a random fake swear word... hmmm.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:30 AM (r2PLg)

191 195 And Jim Moron who is sure to show up. I kinda want to call them and tell them that I want to buy 5 trees. Then I want to tell them that I'm biking there, how am I going to get my trees home. Just to see what they say. They'll offer to deliver and then I'll have to ask if they're going to deliver by bike. This could get funny.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:30 AM (CMM9V)

192 Yankeefifth, Freeman Dyson and his Project Orion.

Build a big semi-hemispehrical steel plate. Put the life capsule and cargo hundreds of feet above the plate. Then had a rail system drop nuclear bombs beneath the place and detonate. Nuclear pulse your way into orbit by detonating multiple bombs. Niven/Pournelle in Football used one against the invading alien baby elephants, it was called the Archangel Michael.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (5VSxT)

193

A serious question: was an autopsy performed? I am/was under the impression that any death by violence (or unknown cause for that matter) requries an autopsy. An autopsy would intentionally remove and preserve evidence of a fight. Which could not be seen by the mortuary.

Posted by: p mike at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (R9qZf)

194

This whole farce is yet another nail in the MFM coffin.

That said, I am still prepared for the possibility that the facts will show that Zimmerman shot when he didn't need to. Why? Because are still lacking in so many basic facts, and the guy has a history. And, because I don't need to draw a conclusion in order to indict the mobs, the race hustlers, the politicians and the MFM. Their behavior is indefensible, regardless of whether or not they are able to apply enough public pressure to force an arrest.

And wasn't there a time in our history when racist mobs took to the streets to demand that the judicial process be bypassed and that a citizen accused of an interracial crime be found guitly in order to appease the mobs?

Posted by: CJ at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (9KqcB)

195 174...tasker...how did you get an ampersand? I thought Pixy had outlawed those.
Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 02:25 PM (+5U+B)

You can use it if it's bunched in with other stuff....like, nuts&bolts. But not by itself.

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (X6akg)

196 Yawn. New thread, please.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (PH+2B)

197

Then there are the rumors of a B-47 that lost a nuclear bomb off Charlston, SC.

You might be thinking of the Tybee Bomb, which is somewhere just off the coast of Savannah, GA. That actually happened and no one has found it yet.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2012 10:31 AM (JxMoP)

198 Reggie Miller made the Hall of Fame! yay!

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 10:32 AM (DGIjM)

199 Well, it appears I lied.....the ampersand was in between nuts and bolts with no spaces and it still dissappeared.

Pixy why have you forsaken us!?!?!?!

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2012 10:32 AM (X6akg)

200 Think the city bus will let me bring trees on?

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:32 AM (CMM9V)

201 <<Lots of Spanish soil buried out in the South Western desert.>>

One landed in the ocean. One on the soft soil/sand on the beach. One inland and cracked apart...thereby requiring soil replacement.

Posted by: minuteman (formerly trainer) until Juggy is gone at April 02, 2012 10:32 AM (Rojyk)

202 117 I like to think that hillary's "tuzla dash" story was a significant event in the history of news. Before the internets hillary would have been able to make her claim about doing the tuzla dash and even if there was griping and disagreement on the periphery there was nothing that would come from it since no one would have video of the event or be able to disseminate it widely. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 02:08 PM (Z9EHQ) I'd like to think so too, but I think that Hillary got wrongfooted by the media, who were in the bag for Obama, rather than the Internet. IIRC, the day after her "Tuzla dash" bullshit the alphabet networks were showing film clips of her at Tuzla receiving a bouquet at the airport. The networks were busy torpedoing her candidacy in favor of Zero. If she'd been their choice, that film clip would have locked away like the al-Khalidi tape.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 02, 2012 10:32 AM (iDKmH)

203 I bet the mysterious voices were lawn gnomes. Scuffling in the grass put them at risk.

Posted by: p mike at April 02, 2012 10:33 AM (R9qZf)

204 Nuts&bolts. .....(testing to see if the the ampersand showed up)

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:33 AM (+5U+B)

205 ^&

This is a test of the Ampersand Broadcasting System

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:33 AM (w/anX)

206 &

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:33 AM (h8UT+)

207 Clearly we need some government grants to work this out.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:33 AM (w/anX)

208 &

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:34 AM (CMM9V)

209 Think the city bus will let me bring trees on?

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 02:32 PM (CMM9V)

That's exactly what I thought when I read your post. Do it! And if they won't let you....raise hell. Oh wait....I'm telling Dagny to raise hell?

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2012 10:34 AM (X6akg)

210 Ghost of Lee Atwater, thanks for the correction.

Disturbing isn't it that a nuclear weapon is buried in the sea just laying there. Well as long as the weapon did have have the fusing plugs installed its inert. Still troubling.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:34 AM (5VSxT)

211 [&]

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:34 AM (CMM9V)

212 How'd you do that, phoenixgirl?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:34 AM (w/anX)

213 The Tybee Bomb.

<<In February 1958, a B-47 Stratojet bomber had a midair collision with an F-86 Saberjet fighter southeast of Savannah and had to jettison the bomb in order to land safely. It was dumped in the dead of night somewhere along the southern shore of uninhabited Little Tybee Island. After a cursory search failed to reveal its whereabouts, the military threw up its hands and abandoned the search.
According to the Air Force, this rusting relic of the Cold War, designated No. 47782 Mark 15 Mod 0, contains decaying radioactive uranium and a detonator packing the wallop of 400 pounds of high explosive.>>

http://www.tybeetyme.com/tb/loose_nukes.htm

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (tf9Ne)

214 No ampersands for me

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (CMM9V)

215 Reggie Miller made the Hall of Fame! yay! ----------------------------------------- So I should look for him in the "Whiny Little Bitch" section when I go to Springfield?

Posted by: Killjoy at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (ETgqz)

216 Nuts & Bolts.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (r2PLg)

217 i just hit shift and 7 and there it was......i'm on chrome if that matters

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (h8UT+)

218

It's nothing new:

Â“TIME magazine probably publishes many factsÂ… but since itÂ’s founding in the early 20s I have been on the spot eight or nine times when something that wound up as a news story in TIME happened. Not onceÂ—not onceÂ—did the TIME magazine story match what I saw and heard.Â”

-Robert A. Heinlein

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (iaOP0)

219 Complete OT but I wanted to share.

Went to Cabela's on Sat to purchase my first handgun (Springfield XD-9 for those interested) and picked up a gun-safe while I was at it. My wife doesn't want one the kids might even accidentally open (riiiiight, but I'll humor her) so I get one with a biometric lock. Pretty good price, pretty good size.

Sunday, I open up the box, pull the safe out, and start following the instructions to open the safe the first time (you use the emergency key), and the safe won't open. I try several things, thinking maybe it has to be configured "just so" to open- nothing. My wife tries. No go.

So we call Cabela's, and they admit it's probably broken, we can exchange it. No, Cabela's is about an hour away from my house- I only went there in the first place because they have a much better selection than any place actually local to me. So we drive up there, and they're out of that safe. They'd had several the day before, but none now. They call their warehouse- nope. They call the other "local" (for a very broad definition of that term) store- nuh-uh.

So now we have to return the safe, then turn around and special order the same one. I wouldn't have minded getting a non-biometric safe, but my wife insisted, and this was the only biometric in my budget.

*sigh*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (8y9MW)

220 &&&&&&&

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:35 AM (TRGoi)

221 There is also an entire nuclear powered aircraft buried on the back side of Dugway, built back when we could dream big. Back before the lawyers. Sigh.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (WkuV6)

222 >>>Nuclear powered drones? SAC tried that also with a nuclear powered bomber. Never got beyond the design stage.

The critical element of the Nuclear Bomber Program was the nuclear powered gas turbine. That program was past the theoretical stage before it was cancelled. Check out project pluto. They did actually briefly operate the engines.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (0q2P7)

223 That's weird phoenixgirl. I just did 2 posts with only an ampersand and they didn't even show up.

Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (X6akg)

224 Nope. No ampersands.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (TRGoi)

225 >>>A serious question: was an autopsy performed? Of course.

Posted by: mike at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (s6QDI)

226 Tami, I would but the city engineer in charge of transportation has a kid on my son's lax team in high school. It would be a direct problem for him.Otherwise, I could potentially amuse myself.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:36 AM (CMM9V)

227 here...i'll pass some out......&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:37 AM (h8UT+)

228 117 I like to think that hillary's "tuzla dash" story was a significant event in the history of news. Before the internets hillary would have been able to make her claim about doing the tuzla dash and even if there was griping and disagreement on the periphery there was nothing that would come from it since no one would have video of the event or be able to disseminate it widely. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 02:08 PM (Z9EHQ) I'd like to think so too, but I think that Hillary got wrongfooted by the media, who were in the bag for Obama, rather than the Internet. IIRC, the day after her "Tuzla dash" bullshit the alphabet networks were showing film clips of her at Tuzla receiving a bouquet at the airport. The networks were busy torpedoing her candidacy in favor of Zero. If she'd been their choice, that film clip would have locked away like the al-Khalidi tape. Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 02, 2012 02:32 PM (iDKmH) I concede it is not as clean or linear as I presented. I do think there were a few more days between the claim and the mfm showing the videos. there was lot of mocking and remembering things in the internets before the mfm piled on. I also agree zeros team and the mfm being so enamored with him were a factor bu I do think there was an essential interwebs role.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:37 AM (Z9EHQ)

229
We're on strike, bitches!

Posted by: Ampersands at April 02, 2012 10:37 AM (G/zuv)

230 208 Yawn. New thread, please.

Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at April 02, 2012 02:31 PM (PH+2B)

Lets kevitch about the outfit Moochelle wore at the kiddy award show this weekend.

My eyes!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 10:37 AM (8ieXv)

231 What if I say This & That?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 10:37 AM (0q2P7)

232 Bits & Bites

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (w/anX)

233 Zimmerman shoots him in cold blood, but WAIT, there's a twist. He was paid to gun down Trayvon by a secretive vigilante Christian group funded by old white bald hedge fund CEOs! Posted by: Dick Wolf at April 02, 2012 02:17 PM (Y+DPZ) ----- Well the Huffers are saying Z wasnt charged because his grandfather was in the CIA, and his father was a judge.

Posted by: stace at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (d2pHv)

234 Bill Clinton has come out with a statement on this damn thing. Ya, I couldn't read it. It was on the front page of Yahoo awhile ago. Something about time to change the laws..yada.yada.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (r2PLg)

235 Nuts ampersand Bolts

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (CMM9V)

236 MiketheMoose. Operated the engine? I would not want to be downwind of that jet blast.... Funny Looking Kids Syndrome.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (5VSxT)

237

If you like your ampersands...

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (8ieXv)

238 dananjcon what the hell was that? i'll tell you what that was...it was FUGLY!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:38 AM (h8UT+)

239 ...[&]
...[&amp]
...This has been a test.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (8y9MW)

240

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (X3lox)

241 What if I say This That? Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 02:37 PM (0q2P7) ************* You'd be ampersand less.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (r2PLg)

242 Oops. &

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (X3lox)

243 Yankeefifth, Freeman Dyson and his Project Orion. Build a big semi-hemispehrical steel plate. Put the life capsule and cargo hundreds of feet above the plate. Then had a rail system drop nuclear bombs beneath the place and detonate. Nuclear pulse your way into orbit by detonating multiple bombs. Niven/Pournelle in Football used one against the invading alien baby elephants, it was called the Archangel Michael. Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 02:31 PM (5VSxT) Interesting, I had not heard of that. Mike mentions project pluto which is what I was remembering.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (Z9EHQ)

244 The critical element of the Nuclear Bomber Program was the nuclear powered gas turbine. That program was past the theoretical stage before it was cancelled. Check out project pluto. They did actually briefly operate the engines. Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 02:36 PM (0q2P7) But there were huge problems with that program. 1) the weight of the shielding 2) the shielding itself and the poor men flying it 3) the radioactivity exhausted from the plane

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 02, 2012 10:39 AM (i6RpT)

245 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:40 AM (h8UT+)

246 Remember that time...

...when Andrew Breitbart posted part of a video of a black official describing a racist impulse she had? How that destroyed Breitbart's credibility, per the MSM? Because Breitbart "doctored" the video?

Glad the MSM doesn't operate under the same ethical duties imposed on Breitbart. The MSM can actually doctor materials, blatantly lie, and make any conclusions they want based on lacking evidence.

At least the MSM isn't fomenting racial hatred...oh, right...well, at least they will own up to the mistakes of low level staffers and apologize for innocent mistakes by their well-intentioned anchors who are as burdened by the lack of evidence as all of us were. Well after fomenting racial hatred and making sure 'justice is done.'

Posted by: Crispian at April 02, 2012 10:40 AM (P9LP6)

247 pg works for the ampersand factory, i see

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 10:40 AM (QTHTd)

248 Yeah, weird, it works in Chrome.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2012 10:40 AM (w/anX)

249 Media Matters is unavailable for comment.

Posted by: farsighted at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (DmWV5)

250 210 Reggie Miller made the Hall of Fame! yay! Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at April 02, 2012 02:32 PM

And his chief antagonist Spike Lee is still a has-been

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (Y+DPZ)

251 Well the Huffers are saying Z wasnt charged because his grandfather was in the CIA, and his father was a judge.

Posted by: stace at April 02, 2012 02:38 PM (d2pHv)

Now THATS a good ol' fashioned white warshin!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (8ieXv)

252 If anyone cares, never, ever, by tumi. lousy customer service, lousy bags, lousy warranty.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (Z9EHQ)

253 Shaft&Balls. Shaft&Balls.

Posted by: suicidal Santorum supporter [/i] at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (JEpGb)

254 i'm think all y'all used your life time quota of the &....i on the other hand never use them.....& that is why i can do them & you cannot.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (h8UT+)

255 If you want to put some of the extended characters in, you have to turn off javascript on the page and enter the HTML code &#--;

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 02, 2012 10:41 AM (X3lox)

256 &... that's a wrap

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 10:42 AM (QTHTd)

257 And YankeeFifth I just saw I typo'd. The novel is called Footfall. As in the invading elephants at one point drop an asteroid on the Earth. They called the asteroid the Foot.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:42 AM (5VSxT)

258 well you can't HTML em that's for sure! now Im all curious - &

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 02, 2012 10:42 AM (SB0V2)

259 Oh, and also: Everybody will think five or six times before joining a neighborhood watch. Welcome to the concept of unintended consequences.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 02, 2012 10:42 AM (RD7QR)

260

239 here...i'll pass some out.....&&&&&&&

----

test...to see if those copied ampersands will show up.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:42 AM (+5U+B)

261 & on & on...

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (QTHTd)

262 I hope they can come up with a way to get the oil out of the Amper Sands effeciently

Posted by: Beto at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (cYQg0)

263 &&&&&

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (5VSxT)

264 Looks like TSA has banned me from using the ampersand also

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (5VSxT)

265 And YankeeFifth I just saw I typo'd. The novel is called Footfall. As in the invading elephants at one point drop an asteroid on the Earth. They called the asteroid the Foot. Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 02:42 PM (5VSxT) Is it in print? I will try and pick one up. I am kind of undecided on elephants. I hate pandas. Have had some second thoughts on dolphins lately.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (Z9EHQ)

266 Welcome to the concept of unintended consequences.

Oh, it's very much intentional.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 10:43 AM (QTHTd)

267 I remember when Zimmerman, after seeing the hoodie, exclaimed, "Fucking coon-skin caps are the only thing that work in this rain."

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2012 10:44 AM (KWdVT)

268 phoenixgirl is obviously a 1% and this must be remedied by the Ampersand Clause inherent in the Constitution!

Posted by: Nancy "99%" Pelosi at April 02, 2012 10:44 AM (r2PLg)

269 250 dananjcon

what the hell was that? i'll tell you what that was...it was FUGLY!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 02, 2012 02:38 PM (h8UT+)

Just showed the pic to one of the ladies in my office. In typical NJ accent she said, "WTF, I wouldn't of worn that to Bon Jovi concert 25years ago!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2012 10:45 AM (8ieXv)

270

Nope....can't copy them from other posts either.

*sob* ....I'm so aggrieved. Pixy is depriving me of my right to have an ampersand.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2012 10:45 AM (+5U+B)

271 >>>But there were huge problems with that program.
1) the weight of the shielding
2) the shielding itself and the poor men flying it
3) the radioactivity exhausted from the plane

Oh they had issues. But they did run. Mostly the exhaust radioactivity and the lack of self limiting physical configuration against prompt criticality killed the program. They could have been a reasonable solution for cruise missiles giving them effectively infinite range.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at April 02, 2012 10:46 AM (0q2P7)

272 One of the amusing things about the mfm is they seem incapable of deciding whether is in a genius or moron. On one hand he is a wannabe cop and self appointed captain of the neighborhood watch, on the other he has the foresight to call the cops before coolly ambushing whatshisname and acting out having his ass kicked on tape to establish an alibi. only one tor the other guys, gotta choose.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:46 AM (Z9EHQ)

273 Anyone with courtroom experience could tell you this;

People who are so sure of themselves on the internet or TV, who just KNOW all the facts, end up as blithering idiots on the witness stand

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

274 Yankeefifth you can get an ebook version of the Baen web site of Footfall for $4.00.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 10:47 AM (5VSxT)

275 >>>*sob* ....I'm so aggrieved. Pixy is depriving me of my right to have an ampersand.

Time to start a movement.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose of The & Liberation Front. at April 02, 2012 10:48 AM (0q2P7)

276 Ampersand Justice! We are the 99% without ampersands that the 1% stole from us.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2012 10:49 AM (4q5tP)

277 I remember a time when burglars casing houses used the "Skittles for my little brother defense" and were met with guffaws back at the precinct. Good times.

Posted by: Killjoy at April 02, 2012 10:50 AM (ETgqz)

278 I do wonder why the mfm has edited the part of the call out where zimmerman is clearly heard saying "sonfabitch! I cannot run anywhere in these effin robes and I cannot see anything through this hood! I am gonna hava to talk to whoever designed these things. man, now I am gonna be late for the grand dragon election. effin kids walking through my yard." oh well, i will never understand the mfm.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:50 AM (Z9EHQ)

279 284 One of the amusing things about the mfm is they seem incapable of deciding whether is in a genius or moron. On one hand he is a wannabe cop and self appointed captain of the neighborhood watch, on the other he has the foresight to call the cops before coolly ambushing whatshisname and acting out having his ass kicked on tape to establish an alibi. only one tor the other guys, gotta choose. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 02:46 PM

Didn't you pay attention during the Bush years? You can be a total retard yet pull off the most ingenious evil plots without getting caught in the act.

So ingenious was this retarded President, that his successor, the Smartest Man Ever to Walk the Earth, cannot unravel the damage, or even figure out how the evil was done

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 10:51 AM (Y+DPZ)

280 So ingenious was this retarded President, that his successor, the Smartest Man Ever to Walk the Earth, cannot unravel the damage, or even figure out how the evil was done Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 02:51 PM (Y+DPZ)

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:52 AM (Z9EHQ)

281 286 Yankeefifth you can get an ebook version of the Baen web site of Footfall for $4.00. Posted by: Anna Puma at April 02, 2012 02:47 PM (5VSxT) thank you anna!

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2012 10:52 AM (Z9EHQ)

282 All these corrections, etc. DON'T MATTER.

My wife is intelligent, open-minded, tries to stay well-informed.

She "knows" that a white guy with a history of mental problems shot a black teenager in the back. That is "the truth" she got from the media. Try to correct "the truth" and you're obviously lying or crazy. Even though she's seen cases of the media blatantly lying, her first impulse is to believe them. And there's millions like her.

We have to destroy the current media organizations. Get rid of the partisan hacks who call themselves journalists. I don't know how. Lawsuits? Arson?

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 02, 2012 10:53 AM (xAp2X)

283

re 294

When the communists take over, the media hacks will be the first up against the wall. The idiots will no longer be useful idiots and therefore expendable,

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2012 10:58 AM (9sUlj)

284 aaaaargh! Now I have to try. &

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 02, 2012 11:00 AM (dL9LY)

285 She "knows" that a white guy with a history of mental problems shot a black teenager in the back. That is "the truth" she got from the media. Try to correct "the truth" and you're obviously lying or crazy.
Posted by: Trimegistus at April 02, 2012 02:53 PM

I don't think even the MBM says TM was shot in the back. Gunned down ... she's doing her own conclusion jumping on that one

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 11:01 AM (Y+DPZ)

286 I am not rooting for either the dead Trayvon or the live Zimmerman, I am rooting for the process of law. The process where people on both sides present evidence under oath before a jury with a judge in charge, or even a grand jury to see if there is reason to even proceed. This mess of trying someone in the media with race baiting innuendo has to stop. It serves no one well, not Trayvon's family, the Black community at large, or the Hispanic community at large or anyone hoping to live peacefully and safely in Florida or anywhere else in America.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at April 02, 2012 11:03 AM (kXoT0)

287 Just read that the FBI is doing a "parallel" investigation to see if Zimmerman violated Trayvons civil rights. The FBI? Said they were going to look into his background. Great. I'm sure they will find lots of "witnesses" to say he was racist. I wonder if they are going to look into Trayvons background to see if he violated Zimmermans civil rights?

Posted by: the hobbit fomerly known as Donna at April 02, 2012 11:08 AM (ZHge+)

288 Just read that the FBI is doing a "parallel" investigation to see if Zimmerman violated Trayvons civil rights

Yep. Don't let a crisis go to waste. Zimmerman is being made an example of.

He needs to find a Peruvian embassy and seek asylum.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 02, 2012 11:19 AM (QTHTd)

289 Rest assured that Diane Sawyer will keep lying about it.

Posted by: d_fitz at April 02, 2012 11:23 AM (+O9FO)

290 This is a national joke at this point. Defense attorneys must be lining up at his door begging to defend him. There is way more than a reasonable doubt against almost any charge you can bring against Zimmerman at this point IMHO and we haven't even got into the forensics yet.

Notice too Jackson and Sharpton are there to bring justice to the Martin family. How do they define "justice" in their own words? The arrest of Zimmerman. NOT the conviction mind you. They know that's a hopeless cause at this point. If they can get an arrest they can sue. Blame the town for not "training" and "supervising" neighborhood watches properly. The town and state will pay, gladly.

So the state will spend a million bucks hoping for some outside chance at manslaughter. They will get a hung jury at best and decline to re-prosecute the case because by then everyone will have gotten paid and no one will give a crap any longer.

In the meantime Zimmerman goes through about 18 months of hell and some Hispanics kids get the crap beat out of them while someone yells "Justice for Trayvon." It's a crying friggin shame.

Posted by: Rocks at April 02, 2012 11:23 AM (Q1lie)

291 Every action causes an equal reaction

The MBM wanted to make this a "you should be ashamed of yourself you racist paranoid gun nuts" rather than a straight story

Natually a defensive reaction of "we who don't live on Park Avenue and summer in the Hamptons have a right to defend ourselves" will push back

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2012 11:50 AM (Y+DPZ)

292 Ace why are you bitching and moaning about just a teensie weensie little error?

Posted by: ABC Editor Doofus at April 02, 2012 12:07 PM (6USwK)

293 High Tech Lynching.

Posted by: Cast Iron at April 02, 2012 12:21 PM (EL+OC)

294 nuts&bolts

Posted by: vlad the impala at April 02, 2012 12:26 PM (2Ynt1)

295

RE: "Calling for an arrest."

I guess I am confused. GZ went to the police station in a police car and was wearing handcuffs. So are the race-baiters calling for an "arrest-arrest."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 02, 2012 12:35 PM (qwK3S)

296 Maybe the medias sudden change to reporting the truth is a prelude to the second best race speech ever.

Posted by: davod at April 02, 2012 12:36 PM (C5U9L)

297 The media cooks all these stories, and then acts arrogant and belligerent when we notice they're cooking these stories. That makes them angry.

Yeah, like those in the left column at this site: zombietime.com

Posted by: Anoneeee at April 02, 2012 01:21 PM (vGlQg)

298

FWIW,

Never been in the situation before, but I think if I was in a battle with someone who had broken my nose and was then repeatedly smashing my head on the concrete, I believe a cry for help would sound a LOT different than if someone asked me to repeat it in a lab a few days later - for many different reasons.

Posted by: RM at April 02, 2012 01:37 PM (TRsME)

299 I'm sorry Alan meant no harm nor malice. I understand that a tragic event has taken place for many people of all races who simply wish to live together with out regard to the color of their skin. I understand the dream. But this is just racial politics.

Posted by: HEP-T at April 02, 2012 04:14 PM (TveIj)

300

I just wish Matt Gutman would stop sucking my dog's cock.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 02, 2012 09:37 PM (z8HSj)

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